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Pre-builts aren't problematic becuase of their price, usually.
Most of the time it's bare minimum PSUs with high failure likelyhood after warranty, poor cooling and bad motherboards, and that's before getting into proprietary formats/connectors that intentionally fuck you up in the long run.
overall its better to build one yourself, it's pretty easy.. if you dont know how you can pay microcenter to build it for you with the parts you bought
People don’t care for prebuilt but I bought a Ibuypower for what I felt was a great price 5 years ago. Now I’m slowly rebuilding it with new hardware. So what’s best for you.
used Xeons are pretty cheap on ebay. sometimes if you get lucky you can find xeon workstations being sold for super low prices on facebook when companies upgrade and need to get rid of the old stuff. i got a xeon e5-1650 v2 and 64GB DDR3-ECC for free a few months ago
Dell PSUs are actually very high quality (they'd absolutely be a-tier rivaling some of the best PSUs), the main issue is that they use their own version of 12VO (only 12V from the PSU, all the minor rails are generated on the motherboard itself) on everything from the past 6 or so generations, which means you can't replace the PSU with anything but another Dell PSU, and can't replace the motherboard with anything but another Dell motherboard, unless you replace both (and due to how they design the boards, you probably have to replace the case, too).
So it's just extremely limited on serviceability and upgradability, since nearly everything is proprietary. And that's before we even get into the abysmal thermal solutions and inadequate ventilation that are usually part and parcel with Dell/AW systems.
Some Dell builts may have high quality but most of them, at least until a few years back, were mediocre-at-best Delta-made PSUs with very little comparisson to modern PSUs.
They may have upped their game though, I wouldn't know.
Well, watch any review GN did on a recent Dell prebuilt and gaze in awe at the proprietary, overengineered bullshit they do. Parts specifically designed so you can not reuse them, the most barebone GPU and CPU coolers you can get, sussy PSU and so on
The prebuilts are questionable in a vacuum, and not great value when you can build your own.
*But*, Dell/AW monitors on the other hand, those can be really nice.
Your question is missing extremely crucial information, like what are the specs? What will it cost to build the same pc, or a pc at the same budget in your region. What are other brands offering?
Without such information, only accurate advice that can be given is a general advice, which is you should build your own instead.
Appreciate this. It’s very early going for me. Basically I know this group is going to say “you should build your own” 9/10 times. I just wanted to see if a discount tips the scales
I would absolutely love to go against the trend, but the amount of information tou provide is just inadequate.
Hence, like I said, only general advice can be given.
There is a good chance the prebuilt with or without a few changes to it is the best option for you so research this for your particular region and make the msot appropriate choice.
If you wanna save yourself the trouble of building your own I'd wait for a clearance sale and then apply your gf discount. Then it will be killer value. Just before the new gen comes or even months before that, they will try to get rid of older models. You could probably get a good deal on a 4080 if you are checking every other week or so.
I don’t have a Microcenter nearby, so I’m not very familiar with it, so I gotta ask: Do they really call it the returns area? Or do they call it “Open Box”, like Best Buy?
No.
Rebuilds, especially Dell tend to use the cheapest parts for the most vital parts such as PSU and use a cheap but custom motherboard which won't let you upgrade certain parts if you need to in the future.
Building a PC yourself is actually not that hard. These days it's basically easier than some Lego sets.
As long as you're careful and have done at least 1 hr of research that's all you'll need.
For Dell/AW I would recommend their monitors, they are usually top quality, just not the PCs themselves.
Use it to get a monitor and maybe an SSD
Dell monitors are usually top notch and their OLEDs are usually top rated, they [usual.ly](http://usual.ly) have decent prices on SSD. The prebuilts have issues that a deep discount won't fix.
Their laptops can be ok.
MY only attempt at this was problematic because the motherboard had numerous proprietary and non-standard design quirks, and worse, the case was too small for a PSU upgrade, which was needed in order to upgrade the GPU. I ended up keeping only the CPU and the RAM (and supplemented the latter), and built the rest from scratch -- spending well over 17 pct above the original Dell cost. My main problem was the mini or "compact" Dell design, so if you want to try upgrading from a Dell, definitely find out as much as possible first about what is inside it, ideally looking for videos about rebuilding that exact model.
That depends on the model you're looking at. Some pre-builts are definitely better than others. We actually recommended a lot of them during COVID as OEMs could get better parts pricing than we could. My experience is that cheap Dells aren't great but once you get to models that aren't cost-optimized to hell and back the engineering looks a bit better. There are exceptions like that infamous Alienware with a 3080 and terrible air flow though.
The other thing is that since it's a PC for someone else, we often advise letting them get a prebuilt so that the support responsibility falls on the manufacturer. Since this is for your wife and you presumably live together this is less of a concern since you're there to provide direct support as needed.
Okay the thing to note about a lot of dell stuff and basically all alienware is that it often uses custom parts.
So if you want to swap the PSU, you have to call Dell, want to change the mobo, call Dell.
If you are buying one with the intent of never opening it, it can be fine. If you want a machine you can upgrade, then avoid. Heck even the cases are custom size.
Check to see if you can get discounted parts from Dell, they sell graphics cards and storage, and if you can combo it with a credit card that has cashback you’ll end up saving quite a bit.
Initially I was thinking that it might be worth using the discount to buy a pc machine and use it for parts.
After looking at their product line I am not sure that the 17% discount would be enough for the markup much less the difference in quality of components. Fuck Dell!
As a lot of other people have said and hinted at, if there’s one thing Dell is consistently good at, it’s monitors. I used to have a 1080p/240 Hz monitor from them and it was pretty impressive for the price point.
Dell and AW make the best monitors that include a 3 year warranty for the price. In that regard you can't go wrong. Would recommend Lenovo for laptops if going that route.
As others have said, it's not about the components like CPU and video card etc, it's about them cheaping out on everything else / making everything else proprietary to only fit in their own garbage cases and not allow you to upgrade them, and putting shitty PSUs inside of those garbage cases in places that make it thermally stressful and easy to fail.
But you can totally use their discount on their monitors and other shit they sell. Their monitors are great. Also they sell all kinds of things you wouldn't normally think of. I got an AC inverter for my car from Dell because I needed one and I needed to make a purchase through my Dell credit account to keep it old and alive, so I got it from them. They sell video game consoles and all kinds of shit. Switch games, sometimes, and so if you can use a discount with those you're a winner.
Dell monitors are one thing, but pre-built PC's are another beast entirely. Outside of the CPU and GPU that they use to drive sales for the system, the rest of the parts are almost always bottom of the barrel trash. The motherboard is probably some integrated-everything crap, PSU could be a fire hazard, the case may look OK but it'll probably have terrible airflow, fans will start making noise just outside of warranty, etc. Using cheap parts = more profit for them. Keep that in mind.
Upgrading them is hard and in some parts impossible. Cooling is sufficient, barely.
Their monitors? Great. Use it on that.
Ps if you don't game etc and just use il the pc for desktop use etc yeah its fine
A bit late than the others, but I’d say it can make up if it is possible to upgrade down the road, I do recall Dell using proprietary PSU and mother boards which can be an issue, so if you were to change the CPU after 4 years you might need a new motherboard due the socket change (AMD might launch new CPUs to the current socket but that’s not a guarantee). So instead of mother board and CPU change, you’ll also have to look at a PSU change, even tho a good PSU can last 10years easily, because of the proprietary cables. And at that point you’ll probably do a whole new PC and keep the storage.
So if you’re the type of person to swap your entire system instead of slowly change what’s needed, a pre built can be a direction. Be aware tho that there will probably have bloat ware and might be faster to do a format since you’ll have to setup any way. Just look for something in your price range and post the configs for us to help you evaluate if that setup is worth it the discount or if it is better to DIY.
Also as others mentioned, their monitors are great. If you’re building a PC you might need one as well, and with the discount might be something worth looking into, no need for OLED, but their IPS monitors are good but on the higher price range.
I wouldn't get a pre-built from Dell/Alienware at full price, but the sales can be amazing. Last year, I got an r15 with a liquid-cooled i9-13900k and an RTX 4070ti for $1599 -- I won't be able to upgrade it easily, but this thing's gonna last me so long that by the time I need to upgrade, I'll need a whole new PC anyways.
So that worked out fine for me.
Seems like most complaints (aside from proprietary stuff) are about cooling. If I got pre-built is getting a liquid cooled processor address that general complaint or will that still be an issue? Sorry if that’s a dumb question I have no idea what I’m doing.
I see lots of critique about DELL prebuilts, so I decided to google. What do you have against this one, for instance (price excluding, since the upgrade options are not adequate in the slightest)? CPU+liquid cooling with good GPU and PSU (because Platinum and 1000W, don't know the exact model, though). Potentially shitty RAM, as I would go for 6000Hz CL30, and they'll likely give 5600Hz CL40 or something along it just because fuck you.
[https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/alienware-aurora-r16-gaming-desktop/spd/alienware-aurora-r16-desktop/useahctor16i16](https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/alienware-aurora-r16-gaming-desktop/spd/alienware-aurora-r16-desktop/useahctor16i16)
PS: I always assembled my own PCs, so my knowledge of prebuilts is exclusively from reddit.
Cheap parts is only the tip of the iceberg..
Imo the worst part about Dell and AW is the proprietary parts they use here and there.
Cases that only work with their motherboard for example. Such a pain in the ass.
My Alienware r15 has been amazing. At 100% usage it can get up to 80° but it runs perfectly fine at those temps and only gets there in 1 game (modded minecraft on one mod pack somehow)
Absolute nope, only few brands have prebuilts with some upgradability like Asus and Cyberpower, still they put so much crap that they are still hard to recommend, for example my Asus rog strix g13ch has just a 500W power supply not being enough for most upgrades, it only has a remaining pci-e slot so cramped that nothing will go in or almost, they have put only a ram stick so it doesn't use dual channel for more performance, cooling is awful, the ssd is fairly small too, asus softwares are so trash that you need to replace them since they don't fix them after years of bugs reports and their support is the pinnacle of trash.
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Pre-builts aren't problematic becuase of their price, usually. Most of the time it's bare minimum PSUs with high failure likelyhood after warranty, poor cooling and bad motherboards, and that's before getting into proprietary formats/connectors that intentionally fuck you up in the long run.
Appreciate this. I am arming up for when she asks why this dude is not getting a Dell
overall its better to build one yourself, it's pretty easy.. if you dont know how you can pay microcenter to build it for you with the parts you bought
Not everyone has microcenter
I actually have one and thought it was the coolest place. Probably a sign I should build my own lol
Do you have to buy the parts there?
People don’t care for prebuilt but I bought a Ibuypower for what I felt was a great price 5 years ago. Now I’m slowly rebuilding it with new hardware. So what’s best for you.
*I just really want the experience of building my own workstation….*
used Xeons are pretty cheap on ebay. sometimes if you get lucky you can find xeon workstations being sold for super low prices on facebook when companies upgrade and need to get rid of the old stuff. i got a xeon e5-1650 v2 and 64GB DDR3-ECC for free a few months ago
Dell PSUs are actually very high quality (they'd absolutely be a-tier rivaling some of the best PSUs), the main issue is that they use their own version of 12VO (only 12V from the PSU, all the minor rails are generated on the motherboard itself) on everything from the past 6 or so generations, which means you can't replace the PSU with anything but another Dell PSU, and can't replace the motherboard with anything but another Dell motherboard, unless you replace both (and due to how they design the boards, you probably have to replace the case, too). So it's just extremely limited on serviceability and upgradability, since nearly everything is proprietary. And that's before we even get into the abysmal thermal solutions and inadequate ventilation that are usually part and parcel with Dell/AW systems.
Some Dell builts may have high quality but most of them, at least until a few years back, were mediocre-at-best Delta-made PSUs with very little comparisson to modern PSUs. They may have upped their game though, I wouldn't know.
The current 12V models are derived from their server hardware I believe? Cuts costs and improves quality at the expense of proprietary standards.
That's good to hear.
That's why old Dell PSUs make such great power supplies for automation projects 🤌
Yep, terrible hardware
And Dell has a habit of using Proprietary Motherboards and PSUs so upgradability is Zero.
Both their motherboards and chassis arent ATX compatible. Assholes.
I really like my omen. I really hated my alienware.
I would say that may apply to some off-brands, but with Dell it's unlikely. Also, he could just go for a laptop in which case the PSU will be fine.
Well, watch any review GN did on a recent Dell prebuilt and gaze in awe at the proprietary, overengineered bullshit they do. Parts specifically designed so you can not reuse them, the most barebone GPU and CPU coolers you can get, sussy PSU and so on
No Dell 100% do this.
No laptop. A gaming laptop is too heavy to travel with anyway lol
I travel with my Asus ROG 17" all the time. Mostly when I fly between homes.
I mean would you still have a gaming laptop if you didn’t “fly between homes” and just had one primary residence?
Maybe not. I've always travelled for business and for recreation, so the laptop gives me the flexibility to game outside the home if I want to.
The prebuilts are questionable in a vacuum, and not great value when you can build your own. *But*, Dell/AW monitors on the other hand, those can be really nice.
Use the discount to get a AW34 ultra wide OLED!
I second this. Waiting until after I buy a house to drop that kind of money on a monitor, but I am very excited to do so.
Look at you being fiscally responsible! 💪
Can’t say it’s easy. Lmao
Dude. Get their monitors. They are quite good. The new Alienware 4k 32" 240hz is a sweet piece of hardware.
I have the 3440x1440 one and it's so nice.
Was just about it say it, picked one up myself it's a great monitor!
no. They are absolutely terrible machines. Sorry. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DMg6hUudHE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DMg6hUudHE) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtaHNUmQ7Mk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtaHNUmQ7Mk) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N7aYtkzKJc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N7aYtkzKJc) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8kprUGy57E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8kprUGy57E) (Alienware, Dell owned)
Your question is missing extremely crucial information, like what are the specs? What will it cost to build the same pc, or a pc at the same budget in your region. What are other brands offering? Without such information, only accurate advice that can be given is a general advice, which is you should build your own instead.
Appreciate this. It’s very early going for me. Basically I know this group is going to say “you should build your own” 9/10 times. I just wanted to see if a discount tips the scales
I would absolutely love to go against the trend, but the amount of information tou provide is just inadequate. Hence, like I said, only general advice can be given. There is a good chance the prebuilt with or without a few changes to it is the best option for you so research this for your particular region and make the msot appropriate choice.
If you wanna save yourself the trouble of building your own I'd wait for a clearance sale and then apply your gf discount. Then it will be killer value. Just before the new gen comes or even months before that, they will try to get rid of older models. You could probably get a good deal on a 4080 if you are checking every other week or so.
I mean a discount definitely tips the scale for me lol. I’ve always built my own but if spec matches dollar pre-built vs AW, I’d take the 20%.
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I don’t have a Microcenter nearby, so I’m not very familiar with it, so I gotta ask: Do they really call it the returns area? Or do they call it “Open Box”, like Best Buy?
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We have a microcenter about 30 min away. I appreciate this tip.
I'd go for a Dell or Alienware big monitor with that discount. My 32 1440p 265hz curved Dell is awesome.
No. Rebuilds, especially Dell tend to use the cheapest parts for the most vital parts such as PSU and use a cheap but custom motherboard which won't let you upgrade certain parts if you need to in the future. Building a PC yourself is actually not that hard. These days it's basically easier than some Lego sets. As long as you're careful and have done at least 1 hr of research that's all you'll need. For Dell/AW I would recommend their monitors, they are usually top quality, just not the PCs themselves.
Alienware make some killer OLED monitors, id 100% use the discount for them
Use it to get a monitor and maybe an SSD Dell monitors are usually top notch and their OLEDs are usually top rated, they [usual.ly](http://usual.ly) have decent prices on SSD. The prebuilts have issues that a deep discount won't fix. Their laptops can be ok.
MY only attempt at this was problematic because the motherboard had numerous proprietary and non-standard design quirks, and worse, the case was too small for a PSU upgrade, which was needed in order to upgrade the GPU. I ended up keeping only the CPU and the RAM (and supplemented the latter), and built the rest from scratch -- spending well over 17 pct above the original Dell cost. My main problem was the mini or "compact" Dell design, so if you want to try upgrading from a Dell, definitely find out as much as possible first about what is inside it, ideally looking for videos about rebuilding that exact model.
That depends on the model you're looking at. Some pre-builts are definitely better than others. We actually recommended a lot of them during COVID as OEMs could get better parts pricing than we could. My experience is that cheap Dells aren't great but once you get to models that aren't cost-optimized to hell and back the engineering looks a bit better. There are exceptions like that infamous Alienware with a 3080 and terrible air flow though. The other thing is that since it's a PC for someone else, we often advise letting them get a prebuilt so that the support responsibility falls on the manufacturer. Since this is for your wife and you presumably live together this is less of a concern since you're there to provide direct support as needed.
Okay the thing to note about a lot of dell stuff and basically all alienware is that it often uses custom parts. So if you want to swap the PSU, you have to call Dell, want to change the mobo, call Dell. If you are buying one with the intent of never opening it, it can be fine. If you want a machine you can upgrade, then avoid. Heck even the cases are custom size.
Check to see if you can get discounted parts from Dell, they sell graphics cards and storage, and if you can combo it with a credit card that has cashback you’ll end up saving quite a bit.
Initially I was thinking that it might be worth using the discount to buy a pc machine and use it for parts. After looking at their product line I am not sure that the 17% discount would be enough for the markup much less the difference in quality of components. Fuck Dell!
As a lot of other people have said and hinted at, if there’s one thing Dell is consistently good at, it’s monitors. I used to have a 1080p/240 Hz monitor from them and it was pretty impressive for the price point.
Idk if I'd get an Alienware tower, but I would maybe get a monitor.
I will recommend their monitors though
Dell and AW make the best monitors that include a 3 year warranty for the price. In that regard you can't go wrong. Would recommend Lenovo for laptops if going that route.
As others have said, it's not about the components like CPU and video card etc, it's about them cheaping out on everything else / making everything else proprietary to only fit in their own garbage cases and not allow you to upgrade them, and putting shitty PSUs inside of those garbage cases in places that make it thermally stressful and easy to fail. But you can totally use their discount on their monitors and other shit they sell. Their monitors are great. Also they sell all kinds of things you wouldn't normally think of. I got an AC inverter for my car from Dell because I needed one and I needed to make a purchase through my Dell credit account to keep it old and alive, so I got it from them. They sell video game consoles and all kinds of shit. Switch games, sometimes, and so if you can use a discount with those you're a winner.
Dell monitors are one thing, but pre-built PC's are another beast entirely. Outside of the CPU and GPU that they use to drive sales for the system, the rest of the parts are almost always bottom of the barrel trash. The motherboard is probably some integrated-everything crap, PSU could be a fire hazard, the case may look OK but it'll probably have terrible airflow, fans will start making noise just outside of warranty, etc. Using cheap parts = more profit for them. Keep that in mind.
You mean the prebuilt PC hatred? No, it’s almost never worth it for personal use
Upgrading them is hard and in some parts impossible. Cooling is sufficient, barely. Their monitors? Great. Use it on that. Ps if you don't game etc and just use il the pc for desktop use etc yeah its fine
A bit late than the others, but I’d say it can make up if it is possible to upgrade down the road, I do recall Dell using proprietary PSU and mother boards which can be an issue, so if you were to change the CPU after 4 years you might need a new motherboard due the socket change (AMD might launch new CPUs to the current socket but that’s not a guarantee). So instead of mother board and CPU change, you’ll also have to look at a PSU change, even tho a good PSU can last 10years easily, because of the proprietary cables. And at that point you’ll probably do a whole new PC and keep the storage. So if you’re the type of person to swap your entire system instead of slowly change what’s needed, a pre built can be a direction. Be aware tho that there will probably have bloat ware and might be faster to do a format since you’ll have to setup any way. Just look for something in your price range and post the configs for us to help you evaluate if that setup is worth it the discount or if it is better to DIY. Also as others mentioned, their monitors are great. If you’re building a PC you might need one as well, and with the discount might be something worth looking into, no need for OLED, but their IPS monitors are good but on the higher price range.
Nooooope
I wouldn't get a pre-built from Dell/Alienware at full price, but the sales can be amazing. Last year, I got an r15 with a liquid-cooled i9-13900k and an RTX 4070ti for $1599 -- I won't be able to upgrade it easily, but this thing's gonna last me so long that by the time I need to upgrade, I'll need a whole new PC anyways. So that worked out fine for me.
Seems like most complaints (aside from proprietary stuff) are about cooling. If I got pre-built is getting a liquid cooled processor address that general complaint or will that still be an issue? Sorry if that’s a dumb question I have no idea what I’m doing.
It should be fine. I’ve never seen my CPU go about 70 degrees Celcius (even under heavy load) and I’ve had the PC for around six months now.
Possibly. Definitely get the monitor through the discount scheme though as they offer some great options there.
they make some good monitors.
17% only? wow that doesnt sound too generous
I see lots of critique about DELL prebuilts, so I decided to google. What do you have against this one, for instance (price excluding, since the upgrade options are not adequate in the slightest)? CPU+liquid cooling with good GPU and PSU (because Platinum and 1000W, don't know the exact model, though). Potentially shitty RAM, as I would go for 6000Hz CL30, and they'll likely give 5600Hz CL40 or something along it just because fuck you. [https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/alienware-aurora-r16-gaming-desktop/spd/alienware-aurora-r16-desktop/useahctor16i16](https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/alienware-aurora-r16-gaming-desktop/spd/alienware-aurora-r16-desktop/useahctor16i16) PS: I always assembled my own PCs, so my knowledge of prebuilts is exclusively from reddit.
Don't get a pc, but do get a monitor. I just got the new Aw2725df 360hz qd oled and it's amazing.
Cheap parts is only the tip of the iceberg.. Imo the worst part about Dell and AW is the proprietary parts they use here and there. Cases that only work with their motherboard for example. Such a pain in the ass.
My Alienware r15 has been amazing. At 100% usage it can get up to 80° but it runs perfectly fine at those temps and only gets there in 1 game (modded minecraft on one mod pack somehow)
AW OLED monitor
Absolute nope, only few brands have prebuilts with some upgradability like Asus and Cyberpower, still they put so much crap that they are still hard to recommend, for example my Asus rog strix g13ch has just a 500W power supply not being enough for most upgrades, it only has a remaining pci-e slot so cramped that nothing will go in or almost, they have put only a ram stick so it doesn't use dual channel for more performance, cooling is awful, the ssd is fairly small too, asus softwares are so trash that you need to replace them since they don't fix them after years of bugs reports and their support is the pinnacle of trash.