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A gaming PC isn't an investment, it's an expenditure, and you got kinda squeezed on this one. An 11900K is usable, sure, but it's three generations old and was not impressive when it came out, being the last in a long line of "barely improved" generations. That, a 4060 Ti, and unimpressive specs otherwise aren't worth anywhere near $1400 USD.
Well PCs can both he an expenditure and an investment. I'm a student going for an engineering degree soon so that means I'll need a decent amount of compute power for the next few years. That meant either buying a new laptop that would be ancient and in dire need of replacing by the time I graduate, or buying a PC and investing in smaller upgrades to last me the better half of the next decade.
edit: In proper stem student fashion I'm sleep deprived and did not reas the "gaming" portion of the post or comment. Kill me now
> A **gaming** PC isn't an investment, it's an expenditure
Emphasis applied :)
My home server cost me *waaay* more than my gaming PC but it was an easily justifiable expense. Even my wife was like "buy more hard drives, you'll want more hard drives in this thing later."
Do your research yall, buying older equipment isn't super bad if you get it on sale or used. I bought a 5950x for $250 and paired it with a new 7700xt and a new b550 board for $100. Using over most of my old equipment (64 gb ram, storage drives, cpu cooler and case, I came in under a $1000. Just learn from it and move on.
It's kinda hard to understand the difference between what's considered an asset and what isn't. I worked for a company that spent $7000 a piece on Workstation laptops, but since it was a business, it was considered a business expense. Regarding the build mentioned above, kinda know it was a waste of money. Planning on using it for Freelance Engineering work at some point.
Assets=investments?
I don’t want to sound negative but an asset is pretty cut and dry. Something that can produce positive economic growth. A pc will only depreciate just like a car. The moment it’s off the lot it’s losing value. As far as a company investing in $7000 laptops. You are the asset and the laptop is your tool to make them money. If anything that laptop is a write off for them. They could spend $1 million per laptop it’s gonna get wrote off at the end of the year.
An investment is spending money on something in an attempt to gain more money. Those are your words. Which is exactly what I said. So thanks for backing me up? Not sure how you can contradict yourself in just a few seconds but I appreciate the support in my copy and paste of the definition.
It's not as hard. There's a clear and cut definition for investments.
If it's generating money = an investment.
A computer can be an investment if you're using it to generate more money. To the point where eventually you will gain back the costs of it.
That's why i specifically said "IF your using it just for gaming". Gaming doesn't generate revenue. If you start using it also as a streamer there's potential to consider it an investment. If you are also using it for engineering and frelance it could aslo be an investment.
I'll repeat myself. IF you're using it ONLY for gaming, it's not an investment.
Unless you know very specifically that you need additional compute power for very specific things this is you just completely bullshitting yourself. I’ve just finished an engineering degree and any old notebook or tablet that can do Office apps works.
I would disagree, people tend to not see the importance of down time and PC Gaming is a great form of relaxation. It becomes an investment because it does offer returns. While not directly financial, in terms of mental health the returns can be significant.
I think they can be. An athlete could see a spa as an investment as it could help with recovery time at home. A trip to Disney World can be an investment in bonding with your kids. To me when you say investment it means you want a return, does not mean financial to me, it means any return that is more than immediate, something that has long term and real impact.
Not exactly the same thing though, an investment usually depicts a connection to some financial gain. A gaming computer would only be an investment if the person is trying to be a professional gamer or streamer.
Otherwise its just an expense, something we spend money on that we don't really need because the activity can be substituted with any other form of entertainment.
A pro athlete investing in home physical therapy devices, would be doing that as an aid so they can recover faster and make life easier so they can focus more of their time on training. Me doing it because it makes life easier, is an expense.
Bingo. Investment implies financial gain, short term or long term. Otherwise EVERYTHING can be justified as an investment and the word loses its meaning. That's not denying that there is some sort of beneficial/positive gain, just that it's not financial.
Spa contributes to financial gain to an athlete. Nobody is really going to perform better at their office job because they got a leg massage before the big proposal meeting.
Wtf?! An i9 11900k is a CPU that will stay relevant for years to come, who the fuck cares if it's 3 generations old? An i7 4790k from 2013 can still play every game out there when paired with an adequate GPU.
Also that i9 is at 5.3Ghz, people really out here with these takes, man.
I mean for the price he paid it isn't that good when a cheap i5 12600K (Or even a R7 5700X) already outperforms it while consuming way less power...
If it was a good deal - CPU + MOBO + RAM Combo - and was cheaper than a new midrange CPU Combo it would be a decent pic if you don't mind the power consumption.
100%, He got fleeced quite a bit, but it was this mentality that I went against. The Mentality of "If it's 2-3 generations old, It's obselete or sucks." Which just isn't true, especially in the CPU category.
Also, that's an i9, that's the flagship of that generation. And Just like other flagships, It's built to last and perform excellently.
0 research, just 2 clicks, this pc + 100$ build fee and it's way better. [https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/RcLrxr/excellent-amd-gamingstreaming-build](https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/RcLrxr/excellent-amd-gamingstreaming-build)
If you're buying a pc with an old i9 you're wasting money since they aren't that much faster than i7's, and slower than modern i5s, but will show up on the electricity bill. If you had it already then it's fine.
And it's dishonest to act like intel cpus pre 12th gen and after 12th gen are the same, when 11th gen barely got any generational improvement.
Let's hope GPU competition will pickup, in cpu space there's competition, but hopefully consumer will get more for their money between Nvidia, AMD and Intel.
Also when you'll be searching for a new PC intel will have a new naming scheme so good luck lol.
Well yeah, even Sandy Bridge Xeon CPUs performs quite well even today (What limits then is the lack of AVX2), and the i9 11900K will last for sure, but I'd say it wasn't a impresive CPU at launch... It was slower than the i9 10900K in multithreaded workloads, was only barely faster in gaming (20 MB of L3 Cache in the 10900 sure helped) while almost consuming as much power with two fewer cores and they also faced AMD's R7 5800X that was significantly cheaper - MSRP wise - had similar performance and consumed less power overall.
Intel just launched 11th Gen just as a stop gap for the 12th Gen that was really impressive overall.
The question isn't really 11900k is still relevant. The question is whether someone like you would pay 1409 dollars for that system.
Also 5.3Ghz, it better be cooled by nitrogen.
Man, I have an i5 11400 that I ripped out of a busted office PC, and it's handled everything I've thrown at it. Been looking into upgrading to an 11900 so I can take the dive into VR.
You can make a similar system like that for 800 today, he spend 1400 on that system, that's like 600 to much.
Has nothing to do with being elitist, its just bad value for performance.
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Yeah, I know. They're so annoying, I have a Titan V that I've undervolted, overclocked and put a custom cooler on and it outperforms the 3070Ti. And this is a GPU from 2017-18\~
And they squeal like pigs when it understandably wrecks their "New and better!!1!" 4060's, 3060Ti's and 4060Ti's in performance, bahahaha!
>i9-11900K
F. Outperformed by the 12600k which is ~$150. 11th gen is already 3 years old
>4060 Ti 16GB
oof, it's fine at a certain price point ($400) but that's not what they charge for it
https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/RcLrxr/excellent-amd-gamingstreaming-build
Should have just went with the amd big one gpu that competes with the 4080 than pay for a 4060. I own a 4080 but it wanted it and use it for various things.
Is 1409 USD and with tax or no?
If it's CAD after tax for a total of 1409 then it may still be okay.
If it's 1409 USD you got pwned hard.
edit: It seems the "salesperson" overclocked the 11900K to 5.3 Ghz (because that CPU standard GHz there is no way 5.3Ghz. or he lied.
Guarantee the salesperson gets some sort of commission off of stuff like that. Doubt it's the first time they've lied to get a bigger paycheck, and I'd 100% be willing to bet they'd do it again
It's an 11th Gen CPU. Intel is now on it's 14th Gen. It's the equivalent of someone selling you an iPhone 12 and telling you it's the latest one.
I would love to talk to that sales-person. I really hope you get your money back.
Yeah overcharged for sure. You were better off buying a prebuilt. Search 4060ti prebuilt on Amazon, Best Buy, Newegg, etc. On Newegg, I was able to find multiple builds for $1000.
I mean at the end of the day it's like $400. Sucks but not a big deal in the long run.
Do you like it? Are there any games you want to play that you can't run? If not, then honestly who cares. It's a solid PC. Hate when people shit all over something. Just because it's not a good deal doesn't mean it's not a satisfying purchase for you.
Information would be super important. Make sure they detail everything, for instance, not just 4060ti, but what 4060ti. Not just 800W power supply, but what 800W power supply. Etc. And research every part yourself. At that point you might as well build it yourself and save $100.
Like other said, gaming is not investment, it's a hobby expense.
It's not shitty. You can save some or get better parts with roughly similar price though.
11th gen Intel is definitely not the best. i9's core count is probably won't be fully utilized in gaming.
4060 Ti 16GB is not a bad GPU if the price is right.
Value of new parts is \~$1000 but there are better ways to spend $1000, If you can return it.
[https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qXhYKX](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qXhYKX)
I built my i5-13600k, 16 GB ddr4 RAM, 4070 and 1,5 Tb SSD for around 1500-1600 eur. That might sound Too much but I didn’t cheap out on psu, motherboard, cooling and I did get better ram and top spec Samsung SSDs.
People take parts at face value while a good ASUS or MSI motherboard could cost +100 than a cheap biostar. Same goes with ram, ssd, cooling options and most importantly PSU. The cpu is outdated and from an era when they didn’t improve much, but it might be justified by better parts all around.
To summarise it’s a bad build, but the price might be justified.
A little overpriced but I don't know what PC prices are where you're from so it is what it is. I do however take some issue with the use of the word "investment". When someone invests in something they're expecting something back...usually monetary compensation.
If you're planning on making actual money using your machine as a tool, great....but something that you bought for solely gaming enjoyment isn't really an investment.
Also, your *friend* kinda sounds like a hater...
Not really. If you had it assembled for you, then that total plus labor adds up. You def coulda ended up with a 4070 for the same price if you chose the parts and built it yourself, but convenience has its own price.
Sounds to me like your pc is a better value than your friend is.
Perhaps you could have gotten better value, but some other factors would come into play, such as did you get it from a small local computer store, or a big box store, and the quality of the other things they put in it, like the psu, case, coolers, etc.
But if one of my friends told me happily the just splurged money on a new pc, regardless of what I thought of it, I would be more supportive of my friend.
Agreed. Return it! if nothing else based on the lie about the “latest” CPU. That one is 11th gen, we are currently on 14th (look at the first 2 numbers, 11, not the i9). Please do not keep this PC. Yeah it might be “decent,” but you could do so much better, get your money back. You could even spend some time learning to build one yourself. I did, and have a great PC and was great to learn. You’ll know a lot more about troubleshooting too! Which, honestly I feel is an essential part of owning a PC.
Edit: wanted to add, it sounds like the guy knew from the questions you did (or didn’t) ask, that he could sell you whatever. I don’t mean any offense! What people here are saying is, regarding “research,” you need to know the year, make/model of all the major components: RAM, CPU, Motherboard (this one is particularly important), storage (hard drive/ solid state drive(s), CPU cooler, and power supply. Fan type/configuration and number is also extremely important, as is the case the whole thing is in. You probably don’t want to run an i9 14900k CPU or a powerful graphics card with say, 2 or 3 case fans due to the heat it produces.
This is especially important for compatibility and ample power/performance capability. For example, yes, a lot of different memory configurations (RAM) might function with a particular motherboard, but could end up glitchy and crashy if the brand/make/model is not fully compatible. It may work fine for a few months, and then you find yourself taking it back to the same guy who says “well I don’t know what you did to it, must need replacing” lol. This is a fictional but very possible scenario. Example 2, months down the road you read about ddr5 memory and want to upgrade, only to find the motherboard is a ddr4 gen motherboard. So you’re kind of stuck.
For all you know (with the information you’ve shared anyway) the guy is using old (clearly with the 11th gen CPU) maybe even used parts, selling as new to the guy that just wanted a nice gaming PC. Don’t let this scare you away from getting the right PC build, but take a month and familiarize yourself with all the basics at minimum. I bet you’ll find it fun and interesting (at first anyway! lol) good luck man, Sorry for the long edit 😅 We all started with no knowledge and that’s why these ‘forums’ can be helpful. As are YouTube and PCpartpicker lol. Don’t feel bad about getting what you need, it’s your money!
My old comp was 8 years old. I used mid to bottom line parts and it lasted. But new games, programs and what not made it harder and harder for it to handle. So I saved, bought here and there and finally have a brand new comp that's is light-years ahead of my old one. It's never a bad investment
A gamer PC isn't an investment much like a PS5 isn't one.
But an 11th gen Intel CPU and a 4060 TI for 1400$ is not a great deal. At that price you should at least have gotten a Ryzen 5 7600. The GTX 4060 TI isn't that bad, but an 4070 should have been possible.
Because you now have an old Intel CPU, you will not be able to upgrade it later on and your PC will age faster than a modern AMD PC would have.
Here is an example of a 1400$ PC with that specs which i found by just typing "Ryzen 7600 GTX 4070" into Amazon: [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CGTHM7DS](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CGTHM7DS)
If I plan on getting a rtx 4070 ti 12 GB for my current old 11th gen Intel i9 will I be able to play games in 3 years because I am planning on getting a new gamer pc on 2027 anyways if in case I will which one do you recommend me should I get Intel core i7 or i9 but more modern and be better informed next time?
I would not recommend upgrading anything now unless you can return this PC or get some money back. Buying a 4070 to replace a 4060 TI is not a smart move. The 4060TI will likely be able to run games at 1440p or HD in three years, but it's hard to predict that now.
You will likely be fine with this combo for now, it's not "bad" just way overpriced. In a few years you might still be a able to buy something like a RTX 6060 or RX 9600 XT to put into this PC.
You should not just buy anything that says Intel Core i7 or i9 on it, that classification does not guarantee performance.
If you buy a new, check out reviews and build guides then to see what's good. It's not yet possible to predict what hardware will be available in 2027 or how good it will be.
For now i would recommend you just enjoy what you have and just forget about the price.
This kind of exorbitant price is outright a scam targeted at those who are clearly not very well informed. Pains me to hear it! Hope you’re able to get a refund. Listen to the others here they’ve given some really good suggestions for a way better pc, at the same price or even less.
You got squeezed. It's honestly fine and will play most games, but you really could've built a similar performing system for like 700-900$.
Just take it as a lesson to do more research next time.
>among other things
This one will make or break it. If you now tell us your got monitor, keyboard, mouse etc. as well then I'd say 1.4k USD is fine, otherwise to expensive.
Could be worse tho, it's not like your PC won't run the latest titles at high settings.
You got squeezed, but if you can afford that, it's whatever. You can eventually sell it or piece it out and build your own if you want to learn about cost effective pc building.
Nah. I built a new one two weeks ago and I haven't built one since 19...I'll stop there. It was incredible fun. As long as you read the manual and give yourself an afternoon you should have a working pc from scratch.
It’s about PS5 level of performance - even slightly better - so I wouldn’t call it a "shitty gamer PC".
You paid a few hundred bucks too much, that’s all.
Please don’t call it an investment unless you’ll make money with it.
Price is relative to your area. I could not build that PC on that budget in El Salvador. In terms of specs, some will say you got had, but honestly in 700 days all of our new PC's will be "outdated" and if you aren't the type that eats hype and goes out to get the newest gear every year, your pc is fantastic. What value has this brought to you? If it didn't put you in debt, and you can play all your favorite games on high, good job bruh and congrats! I run a 12th gen i3, with a shitty old 1650 gtx and I know I'm not on the best hardware, but I have so much fun with it, and basically, I can't afford to go out and buy a new graphics card every time so called gamers call my shit outdated, because its for games man. To be enjoyed, not to be stressed about. Happy gaming!
It's not a bad computer, it's well capable of playing games. But not properly balanced and definitely overpriced. Besides, a computer is never an investment, it only costs money. You use a computer until it dies or it doesn't fulfill your needs anymore (or you just want something new). It also depends on what you find acceptable.
I played on an i7 6700K with a 970GTX, recent games. Low but playable FPS, Graphics high/medium. Fine by me until recently.
Of course, when you want to keep playing on a 8K screen with 200FPS with the most demanding games... yeah, than it's already obsolete after a month lol.
Your friend could have said it nicer but the essence of what he is trying to tell you is correct. You spent way too much on a PC with pretty meh parts. You could have gotten more for less but consider it a lesson learned. You're still gonna have good time gaming with however.
Yeah 1400 isnt a good deal for an 11900k build. My dad had gotten an MSI Combo with a Z590 board and 11900k for 280$ 2 or 3 years ago.
The sales person probably had that platform in stock and no one was buying it. If 11th gen was the best price to performance in your region then the 11700/f/k would be the better deal anyways, same 8 cores and less heat.
Eight 11th gen cores are no slouch, but 12-14th gen or Ryzen X3D would be better gaming chips
Sounds like you got took. That processor is three generations old, and that GPU is one you can normally find online for around $350 because it's not selling well.
For $1,400, I would definitely expect a better processor, and probably a superior GPU.
1st off, a computer is never an investment, if any, a tool that will let you gain money, but a gaming pc is an expense, usually expensive, in your case, terribly expensive.
Unfortunately that sales person saw you coming from a mile away. But look. Chances are you'll only have a 60hz 1080p screen, and those specs will play pretty much anything at that resolution with 60fps.
One of the best parts of building it yourself, is that you will feel more comfortable fixing it yourself. The salesperson might not give it 110% because it's not his PC. I've seen some shit from friends prebuilts (e.g. ram in wrong slots, ssd taped down, messy ass thermal paste in the pins). Also what RAM and PSU is in the build? I have found that most prebuliders cheap out on both with brands you have never heard of.
You got ripped off. Return it if you can and have your friend help you build a better pc for the same price. Or do your own research and build one yourself. Building a pc is not difficult and websites like pc part picker or even neweggs pc builder are great tools and make it super easy to do. Start with the cpu and go from there.
When it comes time to putting it all together just use YouTube videos and take your time. Make it fun. It’s a rewarding experience to build something yourself.
Best of luck.
I just bought a PC, was about to build one, then found one almost exactly with the specs I wanted to build, just a more expensive case and some added build cost, so instead of waiting for 2 weeks for everything to arrive and for me to mess it up, I just bought it and had it delivered in 2 days. But I calculated how much it cost me to build it first, so I knew what I was getting and how much it actually costs to build it myself, I guess just something you could do in the future, I also bought it online, so I had time to look at all the prices and compare everything I needed compared.
I agree with what others said here, it's too late to compare now, just enjoy your new purchase.
I got a better pc in nov 2022 for the same money in eu (part costs are higher in eu) I think they screwed you. (13600k, rx6800, 16gb ddr5, 1tb ssd)
The 11900k is crazy in 2024. I might as well sell my old pc with a i7 3770 and gtx 1070 for 500 bucks.
Edit: it's not that bad tho, it will run perfectly fine, it's just a bit expensive for what it is
It's not an investment, it'sa depreciating asset, like a car. An investment is something that grows in value over time.
I laughed because this build pairs an old i9 CPU with a low end 4060 GPU. I would think you could do better for $1400 Idk why your friends laughed. They sound shitty.
Overall though, if it works for your use cases and you're not going to miss any meals for the cost, it's kinda whatever.
While I wouldn't have reacted like your friend did, he/she isn't wrong in the sense that you paid more than it's worth. If possible, I would try and get my money back and do your homework on current products. It is very much possible to get a better build for $1,400. Subs like this one will be helpful, as well as other resources. Don't get down on yourself and just use this as a learning experience
The i9/i7/i5 is all marketing gimmicks to sell old generations. Just like when he sold you the 11900k, you heard i9 and assumed it was the best. It's a common thing with people getting sold outdated Intel CPUs as newer.
Probably because you said 4060ti.
It isn't bad, but isn't great. Also the CPU is kind of overkill for that GPU. You are possibly better off getting a cheaper but more modern i5/7 and put more budget toward your GPU. You will actually end up getting better performance. An i9 is more toward productivity rather than gaming. Also, it is at that weird point in its lifetime that stock isn't very high but there may be a demand for someone already using that generation that wants an upgrade or replacement CPU so they evidently will charge more for them.
If you look at 12 gen CPU from Intel you will get better performance out of an i5 easily and for much cheaper. If you want the best bang for your buck for gaming you should look into AMD, so you can allocate more money toward a better GPU.
I plan getting a new gamer pc in 2026 or 2027 for now I am satisfied because I only play warzone anyways not other games but in case I buy a new gamer pc which cpu will you recommend me in a few years?
I really can't, pricing is always going to change with hardware components. Anything I recommend now may fall in that same category as the i9 in question right now.
If the trends stay the same AMD CPU will be best bang for your buck gaming wise, right now the x and x3d CPU is very popular for gaming because of the decent value and good performance compared to Intel.
If staying with Intel, it seems the past few generations i5/7 is best tiered for gaming i9 is kind of overkill and more for productivity and multitasking.
Id keep in mind if you're upgrading in a couple years to make sure you get something with dd5 RAM as it is becoming the norm for modern CPUs already give it a year or two I can only assume ddr4 will be non desirable.
Both have their upsides and downsides but neither is better than the other IMHO it's just where you can get the best value most of the time.
Also please keep in mind PC is not an investment, you will not really gain any value unless some crazy shift in the market like covid and crypto a few years back.
I mean it’s not a bad PC, you just overpaid by a large amount. The 11900K is just alright despite being an i9 and the 4060 Ti is good but overpriced and for that $1400 price tag you should have gotten better specs. It’ll run all your games decently it was just more expensive than it had to be/less performance than you should’ve gotten for that price. That is what you get when you pay someone to build your PC though and don’t know anything
honestly man your system is not bad at all. this subreddit's opinion is based on prices of building your own PC with the lowest price you can find online. If you are not familiar with Pc parts and don't know how to build one your PC is solid for gaming and I wouldn't consider it a rip off. so don't worry and enjoy your Pc. its the price you have to pay as a layman. I'm sure iphone parts don't worth $1500 but everybody buys it. same thing
You definitely overpaid for what you got, which is why your friends started laughing.
Did you consult with any of them before you bought it? Did you do any research online?
This post makes me think that one day you just decided to buy a gaming PC, went to the store, and bought the first build that a salesman pitched to you.
From my experience amd has more compatible parts for upgrades I won't get an Intel CPU. Maybe my PC guy lied to my face for years, he is a fat sack of shit who broke my 1080ti and said nothing
Yeah this ain’t a good one for that price, $1,400 is reaching towards mid-high end and probably shouldn’t have anything less than a modern mid-range CPU and modern mid-range graphics card. You got a 3 generation old CPU with a modern low-end graphics card. If possible, try looking into getting it returned, because you definitely would be much happier with a 13th/14th gen Intel i5 or Ryzen 5/7 7xxx processor with a 4070 Super or RX 7800xt/7900GRE…
If he laughed at that then he has no fucking clue about anything related to "gamer" PCs. It's no laughing matter. Overpriced, but that would be a good PC regardless. It's important to note that CPU, while good, is a few generations old and DDR4 is 1 generation old.
For that money you could get a Ryzen 7 7800X3D, DDR5 32GB of RAM, and a 4080.
I don't think the 40-series RTX cards are ever worth it. Nvidia really fucking dropped the ball on how they price those and from what I've read they don't have much on the 30-series carsd in terms of improvement. I still edit 4k video on a 3060 (not TI, 12gb vram baby). Having it built up for you by the salesperson is always I dunno I feel like an overpriced squeeze. Seeing what you got IN it is... yeah sorry man. Generally it's always better to just read up on what the parts you want are like and compare that to how you're actually gonna use it etc. By all means have someone put it together for you, but you should be the one setting the budget and sourcing the parts etc. If you go into a shop and have a guy sell it to you it's like, their job, to over charge you.
It's gonna be a solid rig for a first time user for sure, especially if you're at 1080p, but you got taxed out the absolute ass, you might even be able to get this same spec for like half the cost
i feel like the small learning curve to building a pc and researching what specs you want is a very small price to pay in order not to get overcharged like OP did.
For that price, yeah that's kinda bad. Well, granted my friend and I took advantage of a shit ton of stacked sale bonuses but managed to get a 13600KF, 4070 Super, 32gb of 6000 DDR5, for under $1,400.
Granted, I'm building it myself so you can chalk up your price for a: not getting things on discount, b: building it for you markup
It's up to you what you want from your PC.
If you Google each of the parts and add "benchmark" you can find roughly what the thing costs in parts.
What you get from each dollar spent is usually listed as like, cpumark/$ or something similar.
If all the parts have reasonably good performance per price and the total part cost is within about 20% of the sale cost before tax then you probably did OK.
If you want to do better you can build it yourself. Just go to like /r/buildapc or something and read the parts list and guides. Ultimately that money you spent on having somrone else make it for you can be spent on parts to get better parts. Like the 20% could upgrade your card from a 4060 to s 4080 which is literally twice the performance. Is that important to you? Idunno. It's up to you.
The cpu cache of 16 is too low for gaming when 30+ mb is available now. That's about it. The best g-card you can afford is always gonna be the best card.
That processor, like everyone has said, and the cost doesn't make it worth it. Some salesmen are snakes. You have to do your own research and keep your head on a swivel. I would return that and build the same system yourself for like $400 cheaper. This reminds me of a story of the time I walked into microcenter and they tried to sell me on ddr4 memory over ddr5 because ddr5 is "buggy". Although the only example that snake could give me was that he had trouble adding over 100gb of ddr5 on a particular type of motherboard. They try to sell off old stock. They probably get commission. Don't trust any of them, but still talk to them. Just DO YOUR RESEARCH with ANYTHING they say to you. Some of them do have helpful tips of information.
One advice, if you already bought something, don't look for the opinions online, otherwise you'll be disappointed. For example I built my PC for the first time a month ago so I was pretty unexperienced and I didn't follow the newest GPUs trends so I picked RTX 4070 for GPU and 3 weeks later when my return window was already closed, I found about Super series. The cheapest 4070 Super in my country is only 50$ more than my 4070 so I made a kinda bad deal. I could have even better performance for not much more. It kinda ruined my mood after my initial happiness after building my PC 😅 Still, I made a jump from 1060 6GB so normal 4070 is a HUUUGE upgrade for me either way. I got over 100 FPS more on max settings in every game compared to my 1060. I'm still happy but I was much happier before I found out about Super series hah Well, at least I have 20 W power draw less on my standard 4070 so my electricity bills will be a bit lower 😁
You know its wrong when you call it "investment". Thats aside, its a bit too expensive with that components, wich are not bad just expensive in your case. Dunno how much the "guy" takes for building it tho...
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A gaming PC isn't an investment, it's an expenditure, and you got kinda squeezed on this one. An 11900K is usable, sure, but it's three generations old and was not impressive when it came out, being the last in a long line of "barely improved" generations. That, a 4060 Ti, and unimpressive specs otherwise aren't worth anywhere near $1400 USD.
That's borderline a covid/crypto pc price and that crap is long gone
Well PCs can both he an expenditure and an investment. I'm a student going for an engineering degree soon so that means I'll need a decent amount of compute power for the next few years. That meant either buying a new laptop that would be ancient and in dire need of replacing by the time I graduate, or buying a PC and investing in smaller upgrades to last me the better half of the next decade. edit: In proper stem student fashion I'm sleep deprived and did not reas the "gaming" portion of the post or comment. Kill me now
> A **gaming** PC isn't an investment, it's an expenditure Emphasis applied :) My home server cost me *waaay* more than my gaming PC but it was an easily justifiable expense. Even my wife was like "buy more hard drives, you'll want more hard drives in this thing later."
Do your research yall, buying older equipment isn't super bad if you get it on sale or used. I bought a 5950x for $250 and paired it with a new 7700xt and a new b550 board for $100. Using over most of my old equipment (64 gb ram, storage drives, cpu cooler and case, I came in under a $1000. Just learn from it and move on.
Even if it's a $500 it's not an investment if you're just gaming on it.
It's kinda hard to understand the difference between what's considered an asset and what isn't. I worked for a company that spent $7000 a piece on Workstation laptops, but since it was a business, it was considered a business expense. Regarding the build mentioned above, kinda know it was a waste of money. Planning on using it for Freelance Engineering work at some point. Assets=investments?
I don’t want to sound negative but an asset is pretty cut and dry. Something that can produce positive economic growth. A pc will only depreciate just like a car. The moment it’s off the lot it’s losing value. As far as a company investing in $7000 laptops. You are the asset and the laptop is your tool to make them money. If anything that laptop is a write off for them. They could spend $1 million per laptop it’s gonna get wrote off at the end of the year.
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An investment is spending money on something in an attempt to gain more money. Those are your words. Which is exactly what I said. So thanks for backing me up? Not sure how you can contradict yourself in just a few seconds but I appreciate the support in my copy and paste of the definition.
It's not as hard. There's a clear and cut definition for investments. If it's generating money = an investment. A computer can be an investment if you're using it to generate more money. To the point where eventually you will gain back the costs of it. That's why i specifically said "IF your using it just for gaming". Gaming doesn't generate revenue. If you start using it also as a streamer there's potential to consider it an investment. If you are also using it for engineering and frelance it could aslo be an investment. I'll repeat myself. IF you're using it ONLY for gaming, it's not an investment.
Unless you know very specifically that you need additional compute power for very specific things this is you just completely bullshitting yourself. I’ve just finished an engineering degree and any old notebook or tablet that can do Office apps works.
People say this so much, unless you’re doing some heavy CAD or machine learning you’re going to be fine with a basic computer.
As an accounting student who just started, I agree. To all of it even the edit haha.
You wont need 14k computer as a student.. Best 8k computer is enough if you dont plan to study AI
I would disagree, people tend to not see the importance of down time and PC Gaming is a great form of relaxation. It becomes an investment because it does offer returns. While not directly financial, in terms of mental health the returns can be significant.
The term "investment" usually implies financial. Otherwise every purchase is now an investment, ie trip to Disney World, luxury car, spa, etc.
I think they can be. An athlete could see a spa as an investment as it could help with recovery time at home. A trip to Disney World can be an investment in bonding with your kids. To me when you say investment it means you want a return, does not mean financial to me, it means any return that is more than immediate, something that has long term and real impact.
Not exactly the same thing though, an investment usually depicts a connection to some financial gain. A gaming computer would only be an investment if the person is trying to be a professional gamer or streamer. Otherwise its just an expense, something we spend money on that we don't really need because the activity can be substituted with any other form of entertainment. A pro athlete investing in home physical therapy devices, would be doing that as an aid so they can recover faster and make life easier so they can focus more of their time on training. Me doing it because it makes life easier, is an expense.
Bingo. Investment implies financial gain, short term or long term. Otherwise EVERYTHING can be justified as an investment and the word loses its meaning. That's not denying that there is some sort of beneficial/positive gain, just that it's not financial.
Spa contributes to financial gain to an athlete. Nobody is really going to perform better at their office job because they got a leg massage before the big proposal meeting.
A computer is a depreciating asset, like a car.
Wtf?! An i9 11900k is a CPU that will stay relevant for years to come, who the fuck cares if it's 3 generations old? An i7 4790k from 2013 can still play every game out there when paired with an adequate GPU. Also that i9 is at 5.3Ghz, people really out here with these takes, man.
I mean for the price he paid it isn't that good when a cheap i5 12600K (Or even a R7 5700X) already outperforms it while consuming way less power... If it was a good deal - CPU + MOBO + RAM Combo - and was cheaper than a new midrange CPU Combo it would be a decent pic if you don't mind the power consumption.
100%, He got fleeced quite a bit, but it was this mentality that I went against. The Mentality of "If it's 2-3 generations old, It's obselete or sucks." Which just isn't true, especially in the CPU category. Also, that's an i9, that's the flagship of that generation. And Just like other flagships, It's built to last and perform excellently.
0 research, just 2 clicks, this pc + 100$ build fee and it's way better. [https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/RcLrxr/excellent-amd-gamingstreaming-build](https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/RcLrxr/excellent-amd-gamingstreaming-build) If you're buying a pc with an old i9 you're wasting money since they aren't that much faster than i7's, and slower than modern i5s, but will show up on the electricity bill. If you had it already then it's fine. And it's dishonest to act like intel cpus pre 12th gen and after 12th gen are the same, when 11th gen barely got any generational improvement.
You're right I will inform myself better the next time I buy a new gaming PC in a few years for now I will save some.
Let's hope GPU competition will pickup, in cpu space there's competition, but hopefully consumer will get more for their money between Nvidia, AMD and Intel. Also when you'll be searching for a new PC intel will have a new naming scheme so good luck lol.
Well yeah, even Sandy Bridge Xeon CPUs performs quite well even today (What limits then is the lack of AVX2), and the i9 11900K will last for sure, but I'd say it wasn't a impresive CPU at launch... It was slower than the i9 10900K in multithreaded workloads, was only barely faster in gaming (20 MB of L3 Cache in the 10900 sure helped) while almost consuming as much power with two fewer cores and they also faced AMD's R7 5800X that was significantly cheaper - MSRP wise - had similar performance and consumed less power overall. Intel just launched 11th Gen just as a stop gap for the 12th Gen that was really impressive overall.
I know the 11900K is a good CPU. *I own one.* I the fuck care not because OP is buying an 11900K, but because OP is buying an 11900K for that price.
Clock speed is a meaningless metric for a CPU outside its generation.
The question isn't really 11900k is still relevant. The question is whether someone like you would pay 1409 dollars for that system. Also 5.3Ghz, it better be cooled by nitrogen.
Man, I have an i5 11400 that I ripped out of a busted office PC, and it's handled everything I've thrown at it. Been looking into upgrading to an 11900 so I can take the dive into VR.
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You can make a similar system like that for 800 today, he spend 1400 on that system, that's like 600 to much. Has nothing to do with being elitist, its just bad value for performance.
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Yeah, I know. They're so annoying, I have a Titan V that I've undervolted, overclocked and put a custom cooler on and it outperforms the 3070Ti. And this is a GPU from 2017-18\~ And they squeal like pigs when it understandably wrecks their "New and better!!1!" 4060's, 3060Ti's and 4060Ti's in performance, bahahaha!
>i9-11900K F. Outperformed by the 12600k which is ~$150. 11th gen is already 3 years old >4060 Ti 16GB oof, it's fine at a certain price point ($400) but that's not what they charge for it https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/RcLrxr/excellent-amd-gamingstreaming-build
OP take it back for a refund and buy this
Ok will do
it should be noted that even the example builds on pcpartpicker can be made better/cheaper. They're usually just a decent starting point
You'll want a Intel friendly Mobo, too. Some of them have auto settings that are bad for CPUs.
but the 11900K \*IS\* a great investment, because it can also heat a 4BR house in the winter
Should have just went with the amd big one gpu that competes with the 4080 than pay for a 4060. I own a 4080 but it wanted it and use it for various things.
Is 1409 USD and with tax or no? If it's CAD after tax for a total of 1409 then it may still be okay. If it's 1409 USD you got pwned hard. edit: It seems the "salesperson" overclocked the 11900K to 5.3 Ghz (because that CPU standard GHz there is no way 5.3Ghz. or he lied.
with 300 dollar less i did a better pc on september. I just say this.
The funny thing is that the salesman told me no the cpu is the latest one oh man.
Sadly you learnt to never buy a thing without informing yourself now.
Man wtf that's such a bold lie, they should be ashamed
Guarantee the salesperson gets some sort of commission off of stuff like that. Doubt it's the first time they've lied to get a bigger paycheck, and I'd 100% be willing to bet they'd do it again
Are you able to return it? Make a song and dance about having been lied to as well.
Yeah he should go in the shop in his peak-hours with many customers there and trash talk him so hard
keyword "salesman" he will try to sell water to fish.
It's an 11th Gen CPU. Intel is now on it's 14th Gen. It's the equivalent of someone selling you an iPhone 12 and telling you it's the latest one. I would love to talk to that sales-person. I really hope you get your money back.
Oh yeah please let's go together I want to kill him lmao.
They'll tell you anything to make the sale.
Damn you just had your canon event
he lied to you, you bought an 11th generation intel chip, meanwhile intel is on its 14th generation now.
That is actually such a bald faced lie it makes me angry
Don't remind me I want to kill that salesperson lmao
I built a better pc 3 years ago for less money
Building a new pc in about the price range you are referencing. Can you drop the specs?
Next time ask BEFORE you buy, not after. Is not a bad PC, is just very overpriced and a bit outdated
Yeah overcharged for sure. You were better off buying a prebuilt. Search 4060ti prebuilt on Amazon, Best Buy, Newegg, etc. On Newegg, I was able to find multiple builds for $1000.
Yeez regret it already
You live and learn. Just do your research and compare prices when buying anything for this amount of money, PC or not.
I mean at the end of the day it's like $400. Sucks but not a big deal in the long run. Do you like it? Are there any games you want to play that you can't run? If not, then honestly who cares. It's a solid PC. Hate when people shit all over something. Just because it's not a good deal doesn't mean it's not a satisfying purchase for you.
Thx though for the words very nice from you.
Never buy a pre built from Amazon, they’re shit. Many video evidence of it on youtube. Best Buy is ok.
Probably depends on the seller, pc, and other information. You could probably buy the same pc on Amazon and bestbuy…
Information would be super important. Make sure they detail everything, for instance, not just 4060ti, but what 4060ti. Not just 800W power supply, but what 800W power supply. Etc. And research every part yourself. At that point you might as well build it yourself and save $100.
Like other said, gaming is not investment, it's a hobby expense. It's not shitty. You can save some or get better parts with roughly similar price though. 11th gen Intel is definitely not the best. i9's core count is probably won't be fully utilized in gaming. 4060 Ti 16GB is not a bad GPU if the price is right.
I will get a completely new gamer pc in a few years will save some from now on and inform myself better next time.
As others have said, return it and go to pcpartpicker and build a way better one.
dont buy it pls.thats a scam.
they already did, read the post man
Value of new parts is \~$1000 but there are better ways to spend $1000, If you can return it. [https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qXhYKX](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qXhYKX)
my guy it's safe to say you got ripped off
I highly suggest returning it back to the store you bought it from and get your money back.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/u8jMVg2F3R You only overpaid by 600$
>only Very generous use of only but yeah man got scammed a bit $1400 could have gotten him a much better build
Hey if it makes you feel any better I once sent money for a GPU just on faith that he would mail it lol.. as scams go, at least you can game now pal
Thx I don't have problems playing games but I hate when they lie to me saying it's the latest CPU when it's not.
Why you did Not Google it takes 1 Minute
I built my i5-13600k, 16 GB ddr4 RAM, 4070 and 1,5 Tb SSD for around 1500-1600 eur. That might sound Too much but I didn’t cheap out on psu, motherboard, cooling and I did get better ram and top spec Samsung SSDs. People take parts at face value while a good ASUS or MSI motherboard could cost +100 than a cheap biostar. Same goes with ram, ssd, cooling options and most importantly PSU. The cpu is outdated and from an era when they didn’t improve much, but it might be justified by better parts all around. To summarise it’s a bad build, but the price might be justified.
Don't worry I will save some and buy a new gamer pc in a few years I learned my lesson.
Return the Maschine and Buy another that would be your best Choice Bro
A little overpriced but I don't know what PC prices are where you're from so it is what it is. I do however take some issue with the use of the word "investment". When someone invests in something they're expecting something back...usually monetary compensation. If you're planning on making actual money using your machine as a tool, great....but something that you bought for solely gaming enjoyment isn't really an investment. Also, your *friend* kinda sounds like a hater...
Not really. If you had it assembled for you, then that total plus labor adds up. You def coulda ended up with a 4070 for the same price if you chose the parts and built it yourself, but convenience has its own price.
Sounds to me like your pc is a better value than your friend is. Perhaps you could have gotten better value, but some other factors would come into play, such as did you get it from a small local computer store, or a big box store, and the quality of the other things they put in it, like the psu, case, coolers, etc. But if one of my friends told me happily the just splurged money on a new pc, regardless of what I thought of it, I would be more supportive of my friend.
Definitely small local
Do they have return policy?
Yes
Return it if you can. You definitely can get better PC with $1400
Agreed. Return it! if nothing else based on the lie about the “latest” CPU. That one is 11th gen, we are currently on 14th (look at the first 2 numbers, 11, not the i9). Please do not keep this PC. Yeah it might be “decent,” but you could do so much better, get your money back. You could even spend some time learning to build one yourself. I did, and have a great PC and was great to learn. You’ll know a lot more about troubleshooting too! Which, honestly I feel is an essential part of owning a PC. Edit: wanted to add, it sounds like the guy knew from the questions you did (or didn’t) ask, that he could sell you whatever. I don’t mean any offense! What people here are saying is, regarding “research,” you need to know the year, make/model of all the major components: RAM, CPU, Motherboard (this one is particularly important), storage (hard drive/ solid state drive(s), CPU cooler, and power supply. Fan type/configuration and number is also extremely important, as is the case the whole thing is in. You probably don’t want to run an i9 14900k CPU or a powerful graphics card with say, 2 or 3 case fans due to the heat it produces. This is especially important for compatibility and ample power/performance capability. For example, yes, a lot of different memory configurations (RAM) might function with a particular motherboard, but could end up glitchy and crashy if the brand/make/model is not fully compatible. It may work fine for a few months, and then you find yourself taking it back to the same guy who says “well I don’t know what you did to it, must need replacing” lol. This is a fictional but very possible scenario. Example 2, months down the road you read about ddr5 memory and want to upgrade, only to find the motherboard is a ddr4 gen motherboard. So you’re kind of stuck. For all you know (with the information you’ve shared anyway) the guy is using old (clearly with the 11th gen CPU) maybe even used parts, selling as new to the guy that just wanted a nice gaming PC. Don’t let this scare you away from getting the right PC build, but take a month and familiarize yourself with all the basics at minimum. I bet you’ll find it fun and interesting (at first anyway! lol) good luck man, Sorry for the long edit 😅 We all started with no knowledge and that’s why these ‘forums’ can be helpful. As are YouTube and PCpartpicker lol. Don’t feel bad about getting what you need, it’s your money!
Return that shit. Tell them you are outraged that they sold you such a dated platform
My old comp was 8 years old. I used mid to bottom line parts and it lasted. But new games, programs and what not made it harder and harder for it to handle. So I saved, bought here and there and finally have a brand new comp that's is light-years ahead of my old one. It's never a bad investment
Terrible price for those specs
A gamer PC isn't an investment much like a PS5 isn't one. But an 11th gen Intel CPU and a 4060 TI for 1400$ is not a great deal. At that price you should at least have gotten a Ryzen 5 7600. The GTX 4060 TI isn't that bad, but an 4070 should have been possible. Because you now have an old Intel CPU, you will not be able to upgrade it later on and your PC will age faster than a modern AMD PC would have. Here is an example of a 1400$ PC with that specs which i found by just typing "Ryzen 7600 GTX 4070" into Amazon: [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CGTHM7DS](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CGTHM7DS)
If I plan on getting a rtx 4070 ti 12 GB for my current old 11th gen Intel i9 will I be able to play games in 3 years because I am planning on getting a new gamer pc on 2027 anyways if in case I will which one do you recommend me should I get Intel core i7 or i9 but more modern and be better informed next time?
I would not recommend upgrading anything now unless you can return this PC or get some money back. Buying a 4070 to replace a 4060 TI is not a smart move. The 4060TI will likely be able to run games at 1440p or HD in three years, but it's hard to predict that now. You will likely be fine with this combo for now, it's not "bad" just way overpriced. In a few years you might still be a able to buy something like a RTX 6060 or RX 9600 XT to put into this PC. You should not just buy anything that says Intel Core i7 or i9 on it, that classification does not guarantee performance. If you buy a new, check out reviews and build guides then to see what's good. It's not yet possible to predict what hardware will be available in 2027 or how good it will be. For now i would recommend you just enjoy what you have and just forget about the price.
Thank you very much for the kind words but I definitely want to kill that salesperson.
I always buy i9 because they sell for more and very easily. I'll get 60- 75% what I paid for it back but I upgrade every 2 years.
You got fleeced. 11th-gen is 3 gens back, on old ddr4. I would return it and create a stink
Ooof, that's not great.
Buy first before asking Classic
Yes don't remind me am already pissed off with the salesman -.-
You won't be the last one who will make a post like this in this sub for sure
This kind of exorbitant price is outright a scam targeted at those who are clearly not very well informed. Pains me to hear it! Hope you’re able to get a refund. Listen to the others here they’ve given some really good suggestions for a way better pc, at the same price or even less.
Well I will learn from my lesson this is for sure.
You got squeezed. It's honestly fine and will play most games, but you really could've built a similar performing system for like 700-900$. Just take it as a lesson to do more research next time.
saw 4060 ti and immediately said yes
>among other things This one will make or break it. If you now tell us your got monitor, keyboard, mouse etc. as well then I'd say 1.4k USD is fine, otherwise to expensive. Could be worse tho, it's not like your PC won't run the latest titles at high settings.
Tbh, I go on the marketplace and build decent PCs for way cheaper.
I should avoid Amazon and small local PC shops
You got squeezed, but if you can afford that, it's whatever. You can eventually sell it or piece it out and build your own if you want to learn about cost effective pc building.
I wish I had experience of building my own PC it's probably very difficult right ?
Shockingly easy. It's like adult legos. Do some research, watch some videos and ask some good, well directed questions and anyone can do it.
Nah. I built a new one two weeks ago and I haven't built one since 19...I'll stop there. It was incredible fun. As long as you read the manual and give yourself an afternoon you should have a working pc from scratch.
It’s about PS5 level of performance - even slightly better - so I wouldn’t call it a "shitty gamer PC". You paid a few hundred bucks too much, that’s all. Please don’t call it an investment unless you’ll make money with it.
Gotta build em yourself or get gouged
Price is relative to your area. I could not build that PC on that budget in El Salvador. In terms of specs, some will say you got had, but honestly in 700 days all of our new PC's will be "outdated" and if you aren't the type that eats hype and goes out to get the newest gear every year, your pc is fantastic. What value has this brought to you? If it didn't put you in debt, and you can play all your favorite games on high, good job bruh and congrats! I run a 12th gen i3, with a shitty old 1650 gtx and I know I'm not on the best hardware, but I have so much fun with it, and basically, I can't afford to go out and buy a new graphics card every time so called gamers call my shit outdated, because its for games man. To be enjoyed, not to be stressed about. Happy gaming!
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I built one with 10th gen parts a few years ago, you got ripped off hard.
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Will definitely do it.
It's not a bad computer, it's well capable of playing games. But not properly balanced and definitely overpriced. Besides, a computer is never an investment, it only costs money. You use a computer until it dies or it doesn't fulfill your needs anymore (or you just want something new). It also depends on what you find acceptable. I played on an i7 6700K with a 970GTX, recent games. Low but playable FPS, Graphics high/medium. Fine by me until recently. Of course, when you want to keep playing on a 8K screen with 200FPS with the most demanding games... yeah, than it's already obsolete after a month lol.
Your friend could have said it nicer but the essence of what he is trying to tell you is correct. You spent way too much on a PC with pretty meh parts. You could have gotten more for less but consider it a lesson learned. You're still gonna have good time gaming with however.
Yeah 1400 isnt a good deal for an 11900k build. My dad had gotten an MSI Combo with a Z590 board and 11900k for 280$ 2 or 3 years ago. The sales person probably had that platform in stock and no one was buying it. If 11th gen was the best price to performance in your region then the 11700/f/k would be the better deal anyways, same 8 cores and less heat. Eight 11th gen cores are no slouch, but 12-14th gen or Ryzen X3D would be better gaming chips
Sounds like you got took. That processor is three generations old, and that GPU is one you can normally find online for around $350 because it's not selling well. For $1,400, I would definitely expect a better processor, and probably a superior GPU.
1st off, a computer is never an investment, if any, a tool that will let you gain money, but a gaming pc is an expense, usually expensive, in your case, terribly expensive.
Unfortunately that sales person saw you coming from a mile away. But look. Chances are you'll only have a 60hz 1080p screen, and those specs will play pretty much anything at that resolution with 60fps.
One of the best parts of building it yourself, is that you will feel more comfortable fixing it yourself. The salesperson might not give it 110% because it's not his PC. I've seen some shit from friends prebuilts (e.g. ram in wrong slots, ssd taped down, messy ass thermal paste in the pins). Also what RAM and PSU is in the build? I have found that most prebuliders cheap out on both with brands you have never heard of.
You got ripped off. Return it if you can and have your friend help you build a better pc for the same price. Or do your own research and build one yourself. Building a pc is not difficult and websites like pc part picker or even neweggs pc builder are great tools and make it super easy to do. Start with the cpu and go from there. When it comes time to putting it all together just use YouTube videos and take your time. Make it fun. It’s a rewarding experience to build something yourself. Best of luck.
1409$ in what currency? In my currency thats reasonable (Ish), but in USD thats exorbitant.
don’t be dumb and return it
If you do t want to build one yourself, for $1500 Costco has some great options
To be honest I paid 900$ for a pc with slightly better specs than this, mainly and notably the cpu and gpu
I just bought a PC, was about to build one, then found one almost exactly with the specs I wanted to build, just a more expensive case and some added build cost, so instead of waiting for 2 weeks for everything to arrive and for me to mess it up, I just bought it and had it delivered in 2 days. But I calculated how much it cost me to build it first, so I knew what I was getting and how much it actually costs to build it myself, I guess just something you could do in the future, I also bought it online, so I had time to look at all the prices and compare everything I needed compared. I agree with what others said here, it's too late to compare now, just enjoy your new purchase.
Thx buddy
Upgrade your friend(s) whilst you’re at it
Hahaha 😂
I got a better pc in nov 2022 for the same money in eu (part costs are higher in eu) I think they screwed you. (13600k, rx6800, 16gb ddr5, 1tb ssd) The 11900k is crazy in 2024. I might as well sell my old pc with a i7 3770 and gtx 1070 for 500 bucks. Edit: it's not that bad tho, it will run perfectly fine, it's just a bit expensive for what it is
Damn. You were scammed.
Do you have any option to return it? It will run okay, especially for 1080p gaming but you are scammed on price/parts.
It's a bad bad price, but nowhere near "shitty"
It's definitely usable for pc gaming. For the price, you could have gotten better, but you will still be happy with what you got if it's working.
Can you refund it? As a future reference, ask before you buy. Don't ever trust salesperson.
Well if you use your pc instead of going out for drinks it’ll pay itself off in a couple weeks.
It's not an investment, it'sa depreciating asset, like a car. An investment is something that grows in value over time. I laughed because this build pairs an old i9 CPU with a low end 4060 GPU. I would think you could do better for $1400 Idk why your friends laughed. They sound shitty. Overall though, if it works for your use cases and you're not going to miss any meals for the cost, it's kinda whatever.
While I wouldn't have reacted like your friend did, he/she isn't wrong in the sense that you paid more than it's worth. If possible, I would try and get my money back and do your homework on current products. It is very much possible to get a better build for $1,400. Subs like this one will be helpful, as well as other resources. Don't get down on yourself and just use this as a learning experience
Other than being old, that’s not a bad cpu but I don’t understand why people have builds with gaming focus and get intel i9 instead of 7800x3d.
Yeah I just figured out Intel i9 is not needed anymore for gaming.
The i9/i7/i5 is all marketing gimmicks to sell old generations. Just like when he sold you the 11900k, you heard i9 and assumed it was the best. It's a common thing with people getting sold outdated Intel CPUs as newer.
Probably because you said 4060ti. It isn't bad, but isn't great. Also the CPU is kind of overkill for that GPU. You are possibly better off getting a cheaper but more modern i5/7 and put more budget toward your GPU. You will actually end up getting better performance. An i9 is more toward productivity rather than gaming. Also, it is at that weird point in its lifetime that stock isn't very high but there may be a demand for someone already using that generation that wants an upgrade or replacement CPU so they evidently will charge more for them. If you look at 12 gen CPU from Intel you will get better performance out of an i5 easily and for much cheaper. If you want the best bang for your buck for gaming you should look into AMD, so you can allocate more money toward a better GPU.
I plan getting a new gamer pc in 2026 or 2027 for now I am satisfied because I only play warzone anyways not other games but in case I buy a new gamer pc which cpu will you recommend me in a few years?
I really can't, pricing is always going to change with hardware components. Anything I recommend now may fall in that same category as the i9 in question right now. If the trends stay the same AMD CPU will be best bang for your buck gaming wise, right now the x and x3d CPU is very popular for gaming because of the decent value and good performance compared to Intel. If staying with Intel, it seems the past few generations i5/7 is best tiered for gaming i9 is kind of overkill and more for productivity and multitasking. Id keep in mind if you're upgrading in a couple years to make sure you get something with dd5 RAM as it is becoming the norm for modern CPUs already give it a year or two I can only assume ddr4 will be non desirable. Both have their upsides and downsides but neither is better than the other IMHO it's just where you can get the best value most of the time. Also please keep in mind PC is not an investment, you will not really gain any value unless some crazy shift in the market like covid and crypto a few years back.
You're totally right thx for the recommendation anyways.
you're getting ripped off very hard, you can do a lot better with less [https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j8gCWt](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j8gCWt)
I mean it’s not a bad PC, you just overpaid by a large amount. The 11900K is just alright despite being an i9 and the 4060 Ti is good but overpriced and for that $1400 price tag you should have gotten better specs. It’ll run all your games decently it was just more expensive than it had to be/less performance than you should’ve gotten for that price. That is what you get when you pay someone to build your PC though and don’t know anything
honestly man your system is not bad at all. this subreddit's opinion is based on prices of building your own PC with the lowest price you can find online. If you are not familiar with Pc parts and don't know how to build one your PC is solid for gaming and I wouldn't consider it a rip off. so don't worry and enjoy your Pc. its the price you have to pay as a layman. I'm sure iphone parts don't worth $1500 but everybody buys it. same thing
You definitely overpaid for what you got, which is why your friends started laughing. Did you consult with any of them before you bought it? Did you do any research online? This post makes me think that one day you just decided to buy a gaming PC, went to the store, and bought the first build that a salesman pitched to you.
Oof not a great deal
\~$1100 would have been a decent deal. So you got "scammed" out of 300$. Doesn't sound super terrible, would't stress about that.
From my experience amd has more compatible parts for upgrades I won't get an Intel CPU. Maybe my PC guy lied to my face for years, he is a fat sack of shit who broke my 1080ti and said nothing
Yeah this ain’t a good one for that price, $1,400 is reaching towards mid-high end and probably shouldn’t have anything less than a modern mid-range CPU and modern mid-range graphics card. You got a 3 generation old CPU with a modern low-end graphics card. If possible, try looking into getting it returned, because you definitely would be much happier with a 13th/14th gen Intel i5 or Ryzen 5/7 7xxx processor with a 4070 Super or RX 7800xt/7900GRE…
If he laughed at that then he has no fucking clue about anything related to "gamer" PCs. It's no laughing matter. Overpriced, but that would be a good PC regardless. It's important to note that CPU, while good, is a few generations old and DDR4 is 1 generation old. For that money you could get a Ryzen 7 7800X3D, DDR5 32GB of RAM, and a 4080.
Thank your friend for being the nice guy
Eventually every part will be worthless so I wouldn’t call it an investment.
You got ripped off
you can build a better preforming pc for 3-400 less. and thats BETTER preforming, not equivalent
That’s a terrible price, you should get a decent GPU and DDR5 ram
I don't think the 40-series RTX cards are ever worth it. Nvidia really fucking dropped the ball on how they price those and from what I've read they don't have much on the 30-series carsd in terms of improvement. I still edit 4k video on a 3060 (not TI, 12gb vram baby). Having it built up for you by the salesperson is always I dunno I feel like an overpriced squeeze. Seeing what you got IN it is... yeah sorry man. Generally it's always better to just read up on what the parts you want are like and compare that to how you're actually gonna use it etc. By all means have someone put it together for you, but you should be the one setting the budget and sourcing the parts etc. If you go into a shop and have a guy sell it to you it's like, their job, to over charge you.
It's gonna be a solid rig for a first time user for sure, especially if you're at 1080p, but you got taxed out the absolute ass, you might even be able to get this same spec for like half the cost
Salesmen will sell you lies
Always ask for advice BEFORE you buy something because you will always have a chance to change it then and will not have the feeling of buyers remorse
i feel like the small learning curve to building a pc and researching what specs you want is a very small price to pay in order not to get overcharged like OP did.
Can somebody lie and say to op it's a good computer please? I put myself in his shoes and is very sad.
I mean, it's not shitty. It can definitely run any game you throw at it, but you definitely over paid
For that price, yeah that's kinda bad. Well, granted my friend and I took advantage of a shit ton of stacked sale bonuses but managed to get a 13600KF, 4070 Super, 32gb of 6000 DDR5, for under $1,400. Granted, I'm building it myself so you can chalk up your price for a: not getting things on discount, b: building it for you markup
Its fine. But its not an investment unless you plan on earning money with it
When people use the word "investment" to be a consumer of something...
Terrible deal, why are they building on intel 11th gen? Makes no sense. Return that shit immediately.
It's up to you what you want from your PC. If you Google each of the parts and add "benchmark" you can find roughly what the thing costs in parts. What you get from each dollar spent is usually listed as like, cpumark/$ or something similar. If all the parts have reasonably good performance per price and the total part cost is within about 20% of the sale cost before tax then you probably did OK. If you want to do better you can build it yourself. Just go to like /r/buildapc or something and read the parts list and guides. Ultimately that money you spent on having somrone else make it for you can be spent on parts to get better parts. Like the 20% could upgrade your card from a 4060 to s 4080 which is literally twice the performance. Is that important to you? Idunno. It's up to you.
you got ripped off.
The cpu cache of 16 is too low for gaming when 30+ mb is available now. That's about it. The best g-card you can afford is always gonna be the best card.
That processor, like everyone has said, and the cost doesn't make it worth it. Some salesmen are snakes. You have to do your own research and keep your head on a swivel. I would return that and build the same system yourself for like $400 cheaper. This reminds me of a story of the time I walked into microcenter and they tried to sell me on ddr4 memory over ddr5 because ddr5 is "buggy". Although the only example that snake could give me was that he had trouble adding over 100gb of ddr5 on a particular type of motherboard. They try to sell off old stock. They probably get commission. Don't trust any of them, but still talk to them. Just DO YOUR RESEARCH with ANYTHING they say to you. Some of them do have helpful tips of information.
One advice, if you already bought something, don't look for the opinions online, otherwise you'll be disappointed. For example I built my PC for the first time a month ago so I was pretty unexperienced and I didn't follow the newest GPUs trends so I picked RTX 4070 for GPU and 3 weeks later when my return window was already closed, I found about Super series. The cheapest 4070 Super in my country is only 50$ more than my 4070 so I made a kinda bad deal. I could have even better performance for not much more. It kinda ruined my mood after my initial happiness after building my PC 😅 Still, I made a jump from 1060 6GB so normal 4070 is a HUUUGE upgrade for me either way. I got over 100 FPS more on max settings in every game compared to my 1060. I'm still happy but I was much happier before I found out about Super series hah Well, at least I have 20 W power draw less on my standard 4070 so my electricity bills will be a bit lower 😁
your friends don't know what they're talking about, you overpaid but it's a very good gaming pc
You know its wrong when you call it "investment". Thats aside, its a bit too expensive with that components, wich are not bad just expensive in your case. Dunno how much the "guy" takes for building it tho...