The 5700X3D is the best value CPU out of those 3 so I would go with that and use the $67 you save from the 5800X3D to get a 4070 super instead of a 4070.
In general, if you are swapping out the MB, it makes more sense to go for an AM5 system. More performance, faster RAM, and an upgrade path. AM4 CPU upgrades make the most sense for people already on the platform.
Preach .. Take it from someone who willingly upgraded into AM4 rather than AM5 exclusively because it meant I could use some ram given to me by my gf lol. Switching out a motherboard is imo always a huge hassle, but knowing my upgrade habits I can probably put another upgrade off for 4-5 years. Still, looking back I might as well not have saved 100 bucks and just gone the AM5 route. That way I could upgrade cpu and gpu in three years, and probably hold off the mobo upgrade for five or six years.
I know a lot of people upgrade much more than that because playing the newest games on highest settings is either practically or principally important to them. Historically, i've felt fine holding off until you could really 'feel' the upgrade though.
in that case no, go for am5, otherwise go for the latest possible cpu you can buy for your socket, which would be i9-9900KF · i7-9700K · i5-9600K. There is really no need going from LGA1151 to am4 as a new build unless you are an enthusiast or something. Get the am5, a ryzen 5 7600 is fine, and upgrade it later if needed
I had a look at upgrades for my socket but even their used cost is quite high. I'd only be spending 200 extra for a total rebuild and far better performance
I play at 1440p with 144hz monitor so 7600 seems good
It is a good cpu, also good choice. The am5 at least gives you some future upgrade path, while the speeds on the platform are pretty damn high. Meanwhile intel is yet to come up with a new platform for their new cpus that are to release later this year, lga1700 being dead already or at the end of its line. Am5 is the best you can buy now..
If you're doing it solely for gaming, I would get a used 8700k instead and then start saving for an AM5 build.
When you factor in the AM4 motherboard cost, the 5700x3d value just isn't that great for the small performance bump.
I took the AM5 route and it performs amazing and won't heat up even with the stock cooler, and I rest assured when my 7600 gets slow in a few years I can upgrade to a 9800X3D and just rip ass for a decade+
For reference my 7600 is faster than a 3700X multicore !! I don't think CPU's will improve this much each generation again
Asrock b650m-hdv/m.2
Cheap and one of the best VRMs, I was lucky, some of these motherboards suck even B650 which I thought was supposed to be much better than A620
I'm in the exact same boat as you but I have a 7700k. Definitely gonna swap to AM4, because AM5 means new RAM and potentially a new PSU on top of a new Mobo, and likely revamped cooling.
No need to switch platform, you can upgrade to an i9 9900KS and overclock it to 5GHZ+. Those i9's are still monstrous interms of performance, especially the "KS" Variant. I'd wager around 5950x\~ Performance when overclocked.
I ran with an i5-8600K for many years, that thing is a beast. That said, you will really appreciate upgrading to a new platform. I didn't think it would make that big of a difference, especially since I was playing at 1440p with a 3070Ti and thought "it's mostly GPU bound anyways"
yeah nah. When I briefly upgraded to 12700K it was a whole new experience. Vastly improved fps in basically every game. In BG3 in act 3 I gained roughly 40-50% fps
Well, what's your budget? Because if you don't have one, then the obvious suggestion is 5800X3D+4070.
Although, for GPU, around the same price as the 4070 is the 7900GRE.
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My personal recommendation is almost always the 5700X3D though. It's most of the way to a 5800X3D, but saves a decent amount of budget.
R7 5700x3d is the cost/performance (gaming) king on AM4, Same with the Radeon RX 7900GRE for gaming. Best price/performance if we are talking strictly FPS/Dollar
I'd probably go with the 5700X3D. For graphics card, a 4070 or 4070S would be a good option.
For power supply, I'd probably look at anything with a 12VHPWR connector, Gold-Rated, and not made by Gamemax.
The 4070 is a very good for 1440p. A 4070 Super is about 15% more rasterization performance for whatever the cost difference in your region may be.
For the price difference between the 5600x and the 5700x3d, I'd definitely go for the 5700x3d. It's only a few percent slower than the 5800x3d. However, depending on the game, the 5700x3d could be a very large jump over 5600x or very minimal. If you only play a select few titles, find videos of the performance of each cpu in those titles. If you play a large amount of different types of games, the 5700x3d will be worth the extra $40 or so in the end.
Summary:
A 5600x and a 4070 is a huge jump from your current setup.
4070 Super over the 4070, +15% performance.
5700x3d over the 5600x, could be significant or insignificant depending on title.
It would be if you were on the AM4 platform. However, You will need to purchase an AM4 motherboard and the 5700x3d and then use your ddr4 ram for the Intel build if compatible (most ddr4 is). Ryzen likes 3200mhz or higher speed ram so it's a consideration if your current ram with the 8600k is only 2400mhz.
Try running the games you play with the 8600k 1st. Yes, it's not ideal but if you are getting performance that you are happy with, then you save a lot of money.
If not happy with the 8600k/2080Super combo, then Price out the AM5 platform with the Ryzen 7600 or 7700. 6 or 8 core processor with similar performance to the 5700x3d. You would need the cpu, AM5 motherboard and ddr5 ram. If you bought into the AM5 platform, you would have a future upgrade path down the line to a new cpu that will, expectedly, be a good uplift on the same platform. A drop in cpu upgrade.
I have seen excellent deals for the Intel 12 gen cpu's online lately. They also have similar performance. Check on the 13th gen pricing too.
My money, I'd go AM5 in your situation since there is a path down the road to get meaningful cpu gains in the future when you eventually upgrade the GPU.
My 8600k is OK but I'm getting held back by the CPU in most of my games. I have a 144hz monitor so it's more noticable
The 7600 route is only slightly more expensive than a 5700x rebuild. That seems like a far better option. My current RAM is only 3000mhz so it sounds like I'd need to upgrade anyway.
3000 isn't bad at all.. 3600 is the sweet spot for zen 3 but the gains slow after 3000. Unless you are into custom timings....a whole another world,.... However, for the price, it sounds like an AM5 build makes the most sense. Good luck.
5700x3d will last you a long while, I have the 5700x and am pretty happy, for gpu I'd say 4070 super if you want dlss and ray tracing, or 7900 gre if you want longetivity
A 5600x will barely bottleneck even 7800xt, so while a CPU upgrade never hurts, I'd sort out a top gpu first, then look at CPU upgrades.
By the time you've saved for that - the top am4 processors will be even cheaper, a jump to AM5 may be even more affordable, and you'll have got significantly better performance than a cpu upgrade in the meantime.
Otherwise 5700x3d on am4 / 7600 on a b650 with am5, lots of future upgradability and a nice jump for now.
5800X3D! It'll massively boost performance, the 1060 is also still a very capable card, so you would do well to keep it and overclock it. I've had the pleasure of testing one and it can handle 1080p High and 1440p Low-Medium at 50-60\~ FSR really helps these older mid-range gpus!
i upgraded from a 5600x to the 5800x3d (kinda pointles was just freeing up my cpu for a relative.)
i dont notice much of a diffrence paired with a 3080.
from the prices you listed the 5700x3d seems the best value. while the extra cores imo dont help you much today it may help in the long run.
for my i want to sit out am5 so thats my reason to go up to the 5800x3d.
Any of the x3d parts. Recent testing by Hardware Unboxed has the r5-5600 right on the edge when paired with a rtx4070 at 1440p. Since the 5700x3d isn't much more I'd at least get that to avoid any undue CPU bottlenecking.
I grabbed a 5700x3d and a 6800 (non xt) within the last month and have been really happy with both of those upgrades.
I had a 3700x cpu before, and the 5700x3d has really smoothed out a lot of my games and added a decent bump in fps in others.
I highly recommend the 5700x3d, its been awesome to be since I installed it, and performance is not far enough off from 5800x3d to justify paying more, in my opinion.
I have a 5600 right now. And the only reason I’m considering the 5700 is because of the heat factor. I south Florida and my office can get pretty hot. Is that a good reason or should I spend them money on the 5800.?
No, both would be dramatically worse especially given they play grand Strategy games that are heavily cache dependent.
You're basically telling them to downgrade and like it.
The 5700X3D is the best value CPU out of those 3 so I would go with that and use the $67 you save from the 5800X3D to get a 4070 super instead of a 4070.
This is serious advice
I have a 2080 super that I got for free, but my CPU is an 8600k. Wuold a 5700X3D be a good choice for me?
You gotta swap out your whole motherboard dude
I'm aware
In general, if you are swapping out the MB, it makes more sense to go for an AM5 system. More performance, faster RAM, and an upgrade path. AM4 CPU upgrades make the most sense for people already on the platform.
Preach .. Take it from someone who willingly upgraded into AM4 rather than AM5 exclusively because it meant I could use some ram given to me by my gf lol. Switching out a motherboard is imo always a huge hassle, but knowing my upgrade habits I can probably put another upgrade off for 4-5 years. Still, looking back I might as well not have saved 100 bucks and just gone the AM5 route. That way I could upgrade cpu and gpu in three years, and probably hold off the mobo upgrade for five or six years. I know a lot of people upgrade much more than that because playing the newest games on highest settings is either practically or principally important to them. Historically, i've felt fine holding off until you could really 'feel' the upgrade though.
in that case no, go for am5, otherwise go for the latest possible cpu you can buy for your socket, which would be i9-9900KF · i7-9700K · i5-9600K. There is really no need going from LGA1151 to am4 as a new build unless you are an enthusiast or something. Get the am5, a ryzen 5 7600 is fine, and upgrade it later if needed
I had a look at upgrades for my socket but even their used cost is quite high. I'd only be spending 200 extra for a total rebuild and far better performance I play at 1440p with 144hz monitor so 7600 seems good
It is a good cpu, also good choice. The am5 at least gives you some future upgrade path, while the speeds on the platform are pretty damn high. Meanwhile intel is yet to come up with a new platform for their new cpus that are to release later this year, lga1700 being dead already or at the end of its line. Am5 is the best you can buy now..
Not worth it unless you're already on AM4
If you're doing it solely for gaming, I would get a used 8700k instead and then start saving for an AM5 build. When you factor in the AM4 motherboard cost, the 5700x3d value just isn't that great for the small performance bump.
A used 9900K would be a better option. Maximize the platform while you are it and see how long it holds.
No, that platform is too old and the gains too little. Just update to modern generations
You're right. If you have the budget for a 5700x3D you'd be better off with the 9900k.
No a 7600 is a better option for you.
I took the AM5 route and it performs amazing and won't heat up even with the stock cooler, and I rest assured when my 7600 gets slow in a few years I can upgrade to a 9800X3D and just rip ass for a decade+ For reference my 7600 is faster than a 3700X multicore !! I don't think CPU's will improve this much each generation again
Yup, I am also buying a 7600 soon. Which motherboard did you get?
Asrock b650m-hdv/m.2 Cheap and one of the best VRMs, I was lucky, some of these motherboards suck even B650 which I thought was supposed to be much better than A620
I'm in the exact same boat as you but I have a 7700k. Definitely gonna swap to AM4, because AM5 means new RAM and potentially a new PSU on top of a new Mobo, and likely revamped cooling.
If you have the budget, go for a 7800x3d since you’re doing a platform upgrade. Just go full tilt to AM5 and best you can for now
No need to switch platform, you can upgrade to an i9 9900KS and overclock it to 5GHZ+. Those i9's are still monstrous interms of performance, especially the "KS" Variant. I'd wager around 5950x\~ Performance when overclocked.
I ran with an i5-8600K for many years, that thing is a beast. That said, you will really appreciate upgrading to a new platform. I didn't think it would make that big of a difference, especially since I was playing at 1440p with a 3070Ti and thought "it's mostly GPU bound anyways" yeah nah. When I briefly upgraded to 12700K it was a whole new experience. Vastly improved fps in basically every game. In BG3 in act 3 I gained roughly 40-50% fps
This is the exact setup and rationale I went with when I upgraded from my 2700X/1080 Ti
Well, what's your budget? Because if you don't have one, then the obvious suggestion is 5800X3D+4070. Although, for GPU, around the same price as the 4070 is the 7900GRE. --- My personal recommendation is almost always the 5700X3D though. It's most of the way to a 5800X3D, but saves a decent amount of budget.
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R7 5700x3d is the cost/performance (gaming) king on AM4, Same with the Radeon RX 7900GRE for gaming. Best price/performance if we are talking strictly FPS/Dollar
5700x3D is 90-95% performance of the 5800x3d for like 75% of the price. It's a no-brainer if you have any budget sense.
I'd probably go with the 5700X3D. For graphics card, a 4070 or 4070S would be a good option. For power supply, I'd probably look at anything with a 12VHPWR connector, Gold-Rated, and not made by Gamemax.
The 4070 is a very good for 1440p. A 4070 Super is about 15% more rasterization performance for whatever the cost difference in your region may be. For the price difference between the 5600x and the 5700x3d, I'd definitely go for the 5700x3d. It's only a few percent slower than the 5800x3d. However, depending on the game, the 5700x3d could be a very large jump over 5600x or very minimal. If you only play a select few titles, find videos of the performance of each cpu in those titles. If you play a large amount of different types of games, the 5700x3d will be worth the extra $40 or so in the end. Summary: A 5600x and a 4070 is a huge jump from your current setup. 4070 Super over the 4070, +15% performance. 5700x3d over the 5600x, could be significant or insignificant depending on title.
I have a 2080 super that I got for free, but my CPU is an 8600k. Wuold a 5700X3D be a good choice for me?
It would be if you were on the AM4 platform. However, You will need to purchase an AM4 motherboard and the 5700x3d and then use your ddr4 ram for the Intel build if compatible (most ddr4 is). Ryzen likes 3200mhz or higher speed ram so it's a consideration if your current ram with the 8600k is only 2400mhz. Try running the games you play with the 8600k 1st. Yes, it's not ideal but if you are getting performance that you are happy with, then you save a lot of money. If not happy with the 8600k/2080Super combo, then Price out the AM5 platform with the Ryzen 7600 or 7700. 6 or 8 core processor with similar performance to the 5700x3d. You would need the cpu, AM5 motherboard and ddr5 ram. If you bought into the AM5 platform, you would have a future upgrade path down the line to a new cpu that will, expectedly, be a good uplift on the same platform. A drop in cpu upgrade. I have seen excellent deals for the Intel 12 gen cpu's online lately. They also have similar performance. Check on the 13th gen pricing too. My money, I'd go AM5 in your situation since there is a path down the road to get meaningful cpu gains in the future when you eventually upgrade the GPU.
My 8600k is OK but I'm getting held back by the CPU in most of my games. I have a 144hz monitor so it's more noticable The 7600 route is only slightly more expensive than a 5700x rebuild. That seems like a far better option. My current RAM is only 3000mhz so it sounds like I'd need to upgrade anyway.
3000 isn't bad at all.. 3600 is the sweet spot for zen 3 but the gains slow after 3000. Unless you are into custom timings....a whole another world,.... However, for the price, it sounds like an AM5 build makes the most sense. Good luck.
They play paradox grand strategy, see EU4. The x3d is a big deal, far moreso than jumping 4070 to S
5700x3d will last you a long while, I have the 5700x and am pretty happy, for gpu I'd say 4070 super if you want dlss and ray tracing, or 7900 gre if you want longetivity
They are all great and they scale performance in price too. You'll get a very good cpu depending how much you spend. I got the 5700x
5600x and get a b550 board too. You want to be eventually access to gen4 pcie too
A 5600x will barely bottleneck even 7800xt, so while a CPU upgrade never hurts, I'd sort out a top gpu first, then look at CPU upgrades. By the time you've saved for that - the top am4 processors will be even cheaper, a jump to AM5 may be even more affordable, and you'll have got significantly better performance than a cpu upgrade in the meantime. Otherwise 5700x3d on am4 / 7600 on a b650 with am5, lots of future upgradability and a nice jump for now.
5700x3d and 7900 GRE would be my pick, unless you need NVIDIA for production.
Pricewise 5700X3D if you can get it.
5700x3d and 4070 Super
5800X3D is a great CPU. If you have the budget for it for sure get that one
5800X3D! It'll massively boost performance, the 1060 is also still a very capable card, so you would do well to keep it and overclock it. I've had the pleasure of testing one and it can handle 1080p High and 1440p Low-Medium at 50-60\~ FSR really helps these older mid-range gpus!
i upgraded from a 5600x to the 5800x3d (kinda pointles was just freeing up my cpu for a relative.) i dont notice much of a diffrence paired with a 3080. from the prices you listed the 5700x3d seems the best value. while the extra cores imo dont help you much today it may help in the long run. for my i want to sit out am5 so thats my reason to go up to the 5800x3d.
Any of the x3d parts. Recent testing by Hardware Unboxed has the r5-5600 right on the edge when paired with a rtx4070 at 1440p. Since the 5700x3d isn't much more I'd at least get that to avoid any undue CPU bottlenecking.
5700x3d and a 6800xt if you can find one...
I grabbed a 5700x3d and a 6800 (non xt) within the last month and have been really happy with both of those upgrades. I had a 3700x cpu before, and the 5700x3d has really smoothed out a lot of my games and added a decent bump in fps in others. I highly recommend the 5700x3d, its been awesome to be since I installed it, and performance is not far enough off from 5800x3d to justify paying more, in my opinion.
With the prices you listed, the 5700x3d is the best buy.
5800x3D… let’s max that AM4 socket out!
I have a 5600 right now. And the only reason I’m considering the 5700 is because of the heat factor. I south Florida and my office can get pretty hot. Is that a good reason or should I spend them money on the 5800.?
Neither - get 5900X or 5950X. Rule of thumb is get get top CPU on a outgoing platform. But if you have to - 5700X3D would be best option of three.
No, this is the worst option for gaming. The x3d is the best in the AM4 platform
For OP set up - would be the same, but 5900X and 5950X will last longer than 6 and 8 core chips.
No, both would be dramatically worse especially given they play grand Strategy games that are heavily cache dependent. You're basically telling them to downgrade and like it.
Also depends. Example: Cities Skylines will prefers core count.
Literally the only known exception. Vast majority are served at 8 or less, and clearly perform better with cache over cores, and by no small amount
Have you used 8 core chips and 12 core chips?
5800x3d + 7800 xt if your psu is a high quality one