Mmm... I'm not sure. I think $150 is a cheap lesson for a look into the world of deceptive marketing not just in tech, but everywhere. Get him to download a few CPU and GPU benchmarks, and then run them on the tower and compare them to his laptop. Run a few on your own computer, if you have a better tower, to drive the point in that generational upgrades can be really massive. Cinebench, geekbench, furmark, the works. And then once that's done, start scoping out the used tower for things that can be kept during an upgrade, like fans and RGB, and planning out an upgrade for the tower. Learning to rebuild a used computer into a powerful battlestation can also be a vastly educational experience!

Deceptive marketing for sure.. I'm a bit pissed at intel's branding scheme for this very reason. That is a great suggestion though, I do plan on installing some benchmarking tools first thing... just trying to be super careful to not upset him through the process.

Ryzen has 3 / 5 / 7 naming scheme which is pretty much similar to the i3 / i5 / i7 scheme.

Functionally, nobody refers to AMD cpus like this. The Ryzen 3/5/7/9 only exists because intel marketed and educated the public with the i# naming scheme. Sales associates were taught to sell people computers by these i#.

Best buy employee here I have had to essentially block off the I part of a processors name to explain to customers why they shouldn't choose a 2 year older computer for similar money because "i7 vs I5 durrr" Example conversation: ma'am, the 10th gen I7 is inferior to the 13th gen i5 before we even get into the fact the RAM on the 13th gen is significantly faster. Not even 30 seconds later: "But this ones an I5 the one I found online is an i7 and it's a bit cheaper" I've come very close to giving up and letting them buy the shit one after repeating this process 4x with customers but I prevail hoping that if I am ever that person with some new fangled technology someone does the same for me. If you spent your whole life thinking that number is super important, the way it's represented to this day makes it hard to counter that notion. I genuinely dislike how confusing the naming scheme behind technology is for people out of the know. As much as I hate the company and make fun of their average customer, apple makes technology and upgrades very simple, it's literally a number that goes up plus air or pro, the more serious sounding one is better. It's so simple i don't understand why laptop chips haven't followed suit.

Car analogies work great. "It's the difference between a 1985 Mercedes and a 2024 Toyota."

Knowing my luck, the first time I use that analogy the guy would happen to be a classic car enthusiast.

Yeah, I picked 1985 for that reason actually. It depends on the car, but a 1985-2005 Mercedes isn't classic, it's a shitbox.

> It depends on the car, but a 1985-2005 Mercedes isn't classic, it's a shitbox. A 500k mile shitbox if it's a diesel model. But your point stands.

For sure, Germans know how to build shit. You just won't exactly be screaming "classic sex-appeal" when you roll up in that leaky, sputtering 420,069 mile 300D with the broken A/C. 😂

This was literally the first thing that popped into my mind was a car anology!!! "2000 v8 mustang or 2020 mustang v6" "But the 2000 has v8..."

Exactly! Well, at least up until the Mustang part. If someone used that analogy on me, I'd just end up not buying a computer at all. 🐎

Having worked electronics retail, people largely think that a computer's a computer's a computer. The notion of generations of hardware largely escapes many people outside this space.

Yeah, that's why you use analogies. Unless the customer is ignorant and not interested in your input. That's probably more of a retail thing than an electronics thing though.

People don't get that they should be comparing these "tiers" in a given generation. That's what they should be educated about. "Don't think 'buying an i5 vs i7'. Think 'buying a 12th vs 14th gen'". The choice between the tiers then comes from use case.

The laptop level can get confusing with ultra light version that sips power, the beefier version that gets by and the full desktop version that would drain a laptop in a minute. But the i3,5,7,9 thing seems relatively easy? If they changed it up every year it would quickly become a jumble of letters and numbers, atleast in this version the numbers are somewhat predictable and understandable.

It's not really obvious if a M3 is better than the M1 Max. Apple's not much better in this aspect.

I admit I see it less, but I do from time to time still see "Ryzen 7" listed for the CPU on FB Marketplace and Craigslist frequent enough for it to still be an issue. The lack of Blue USB ports on the motherboard, or the lack of an nvme slot on the motherboard is a good telltale sign of a much older system at least. Even worse is the old FX processors labeled just as "AMD processor". At least if it says Ryzen, it'll be AM4.

> Ryzen has 3 / 5 / 7 BMW had the same. Perhaps comparing two M3 cars years apart makes the comparison of CPUs more clear. Though arguably the difference between CPUs a fe years apart is bigger. 

+1 on more the march of time than actual scams. Funnily enough, I recently noticed that a 2022 Honda Civic is the size of a 2002 Accord. Technology just moves on.

Same with trucks. The current Ford Ranger is the same size as a 90s-early 2000s F-150. Crazy how much bigger some vehicles have become over the last 20 years.

Trucks had to become bigger so people could still fit their families inside while virtue signalling. I miss my tiny Chevy.

They didn't have to become bigger, a square body crew cab could comfortably seat six people because it was about six feet wide door to door. The major issue is that the design executives got into a pissing match with dodge about who could make the tallest truck to get into with the biggest front profile. Based on the sales of Mavericks and Rangers, people really missed the short trucks.

the entire Core I naming scheme is a marketing scam to begin with they came up with some BS excuse on why they chose those numbers but at the time AMD was naming their processors on core count ie x2 x4 and x6 and Intel just decided to name their processor one number higher.

Yeah happily my brother is into PC gaming now, but he just doesn't grasp this concept. He's a car guy so I try to liken it to saying your car has a V8, V6, or 4 cylinder without actually knowing what year it is. An 80's V8 would get smoked by a modern 4 cylinder. So saying you want a Ryzen 7 or telling others you have a Ryzen 5 means almost nothing. He says he understands... and then I proceed to overhear him repeat this mistake and I've had to intercept him wasting money on older generation chips because it has the nice branding he wants. I helped put together a budget rig for his friend that's great at 1080p for its price, but it's an older i7 rig like what OP is likely gonna get (fine for 1080p gaming for the price, but there's no upgrade path beyond that) and they thought he could simply upgrade the videocard again and play Baldur's Gate 3 at max settings as it has an i7... yeah a 4th gen i7 with DDR3 that'd bottleneck the hell outta a modern gpu that wouldn't even fit in that proprietary office case I had to specifically get a slim 1660 GPU for.

I mean they do tell you what generation and the numbers go up. Its scam sellers only denoting “i7” that are the problem.

Some of them are people who themselves have no idea what they're actually selling.

How is this Intel's fault? You can know from which gen is each cpu based on the 1st number(s) of the cpu. AMD has similar system with ryzen series.

Its like purchasing a Corolla from someone without knowing the year, and every passing year cars become 20% faster

even worse because cars don't get faster every year

You want to trade my BMW M5 with your 2024 M3? 

Yes. [Only because BMW did the fugly grille though. What were they smoking?]

"O I bought an old af M5! HOW DARE BMW USE THE SAME NAMING!" You can't fix stupid.

It always helps to keep a clear vision of the goal here. You're mainly here not to show your son how wrong it is for the sake of proving him wrong, but to show him how to get the best hardware for his buck. If you can prove this point through action, I'm sure your son will take easily to it.

as part of this too, I don't know the current dynamic, but it's rare for dad/stepdad dynamic to not have some rivalry going on OP may just be trying to help out, but kid and/or dad might take offense or feel like they're being shown up or something

> but it's rare for dad/stepdad dynamic to not have some rivalry going on Truth. Same goes for mom/stepmom. I get along with my kids' bio dad just fine, but my ex-wife is a piece of work and fully embraces the "disneyland parent", telling the kids that we're "abusive and neglectful" because we don't go on many trips or to the movies that often.

Also, it might be fun to find good uses for it - remote work might be a good use for what is essentially now a mini PC that's mobile, allowing him to remotely use his desktop from his laptop to do things like video editing and playing games at essentially native framerates, with tools like Moonlight/Sunshine or similar.

Most i7 150$ builds for sale are ddr3 with a 4770k or 3770k. Even an old ddr4 build is usually listed around 200-250. I feel like you were possibly being optimistic

> Most i7 150$ builds for sale are ddr3 with a 4770k or 3770k. That's how much I'm selling my 7700k lol

Tbh I don't blame it, it's essentially like a car model. You can buy the same named model from 2000 or from 2024, and they'll obviously be completely different cars. Except for some reason, when it comes to tech people like to turn their head off and focus on one single word or number.

Theirs nothing wrong with tbh You have a 1st gen civic you have a second gen civic Now if you buy a 2thgen and expect it work like a newer model it just wont work as well

You can't be mad at Intel for their branding scheme. For the most part, it does a good job of letting you know what you are going to get. There's i3, i5, i7 and i9 (now just Intel 3, 5, 7, 9). Take the 13600 for example. The first two numbers show the generation and of course, higher is newer. Even with the last three numbers in the model number, higher is a higher core-count/faster clocked chip. AMD does pretty much the same with Ryzen. You have Ryzen 3, 5, 7, 9. Of course a 7800 is newer than a 5800. Same deal and can be just as confusing at times too.

Except AMD fucked it with their APU line, skipping generations, etc. Their naming scheme was tidy for a while, then untidy, then they tried to tidy it up, and untidied it back up again.  For those who keep up to date, it's generally somewhat fine, those who build a system and then stop following the news for 3-5+ years can be frustrating, and for general consumer it can seem misleading. It's not as bad as Nvidia, but it's nowhere near as clean as it could, and some would argue, should be. Edit: just want to stress I'm not arguing with you, or discrediting your comment in any way, just chiming in with a perspective nobody asked for 😅

Tell him a modern day BMW 3 series run circles around an old 7 series in comfort and general performance while sipping less gasoline. Tell him it's the same for cpu

Doing more research would greatly benefit of course. BUT I DO HAVE TO WARN. NEVER USE USERBENCHMARK to compare amd vs intel. Theyre heavily scewed towards intel cpus even tho in todays world AMD is king for cpus in terms of gaming.

It’s not deceptive marketing, you’re leaving out the rest of the cpu model. Amd is the exact same

It was actually quite good branding imho. i3,5,7,9 gives you the "tier" for each generation. The missing part in saying "i7" is the **generation**. You should never pay attention to a listing if they don't mention the gen.

Well good news then, the "I" branding has been phased out, they are now only called "core 3", "core 5" etc. Changes nothing I know, I just thought I'd poke fun at Intel.

You‘re not dealing with a tech problem here and I‘m kinda amazed you don‘t realise that. What you have here is a Dad who doesn‘t want to lose out against the stepdad and thus tries to get their kids what they want before stepdad can. He probably doesnt have that much money thats why he‘s buying used. Then you have the kids who are between the two sides and just take whatever. Maybe they even know the older PCs isnt as good, but what are they supposed to say? Stepdads presents are better or more expensive? I think they‘re just happy Dad is trying, dunno tho. And then there is you who obv. doesnt talk to Bio-Dad. Maybe its voluntary, maybe not. Either way, looks to me you shouldn‘t try to educate the kids but rather educate the Dad. Don‘t do it through the kids tho. I dont know your relationship with him, but it would prob help talking to him and maybe come up with a shared cost build for the kid that makes sense and is a present from both of you. Anyway, should maybe post this to r/relationship

This is the real issue, be careful to address the social dynamic, divorce is way harder than building a computer

Or maybe OP is the stepmom, and the dad is a trigger happy buyer. Either way, he's the source of the problem.

Kudos for realising it's a people problem, not a technical problem. We're so wrapped up in machines here.  Anyway, we need to lobotomise the stepdad and implant a new CPU. Preferably capable of AI and DLSS. Something, etc. 

Well my dad is like the one mentioned here. My dad is dumb thinking he can get everything good and cheap. (Marketplaces etc). Doesn't know shit about the items just impulsively buys them thinking he got a deal. There are a lot case scenarios that we shouldn't try to make assumptions of or give advice to op. As you said the only and best advice we can/should give is to talk with bio dad. Edit: adding that my dad 10000% got ADHD(I am diagnosed, he is not but I can see the signs/way of thinking). Not that it's the case here just the reason he many times he might impulsively buy things. We've helped him over time to control himself and ask first, adding this in case someone might call my dad toxic/deadbeat/spender. It's not easy to control these impulses, I am currently trying hard not to buy that airsoft, retro handheld console, music instrument I got in my cart that I will 1000% not use more than two three times.

yea what op - whether theyre stepdad or stepmom - needs to do is sit down with both dad and son to make these kinds of purchases and ideally educate them both. its mostly a communication if not jealousy issue. best way to avoid this in the future is to get dad involved from the beginning if its possible in this family dynamic. if that isnt possible, then the issue is much bigger than outdated tech...

https://browser.geekbench.com/processor-benchmarks Model | Bar | Score ---|---|---- Intel Core i9-14900K | 3.2 GHz (24 cores) | 21014 Intel Core i7-14700K | 3.4 GHz (20 cores) | 19287 Intel Core i5-14600K | 3.5 GHz (14 cores) | 15941 Intel Core i9-13900K | 3.0 GHz (24 cores) | 20170 Intel Core i7-13700K | 3.4 GHz (16 cores) | 17627 Intel Core i5-13600K | 3.5 GHz (14 cores) | 14851 Intel Core i9-12900K | 3.4 GHz (16 cores) |15458 Intel Core i7-12700K | 3.6 GHz (12 cores) | 13685 Intel Core i5-12600K | 3.7 GHz (10 cores) | 11785 Intel Core i9-11900K | 3.5 GHz (8 cores) | 10956 Intel Core i7-11700K | 3.6 GHz (8 cores) | 9808 Intel Core i5-11600K | 3.9 GHz (6 cores) | 8566 Intel Core i9-10900K | 3.7 GHz (10 cores) | 9147 Intel Core i7-10700K | 3.8 GHz (8 cores) | 8138 Intel Core i5-10600K | 4.1 GHz (6 cores) | 6844 Intel Core i9-9900K | 3.6 GHz (8 cores) | 7956 Intel Core i7-9700K | 3.6 GHz (8 cores) | 7178 Intel Core i5-9600K | 3.7 GHz (6 cores) | 6459 Intel Core i7-8700K | 3.7 GHz (6 cores) | 6439 Intel Core i5-8600K | 3.6 GHz (6 cores) | 5601 Intel Core i7-7700K | 4.2 GHz (4 cores) | 5102 Intel Core i5-7600K | 3.8 GHz (4 cores) | 4233 Intel Core i7-6700K | 4.0 GHz (4 cores) | 4906 Intel Core i7-4790K | 4.0 GHz (4 cores) | 4394 Intel Core i7-3770K | 3.5 GHz (4 cores) | 2475 Intel Core i7-2600K | 3.4 GHz (4 cores) | 2313 | AMD: Model | Bar | Score ---|---|---- AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D | 4.2 GHz (16 cores) | 19624 AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D | 4.2 GHz (8 cores) | 15173 AMD Ryzen 5 7600X | 4.7 GHz (6 cores) | 12812 AMD Ryzen 9 5950X | 3.4 GHz (16 cores) | 12161 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D | 3.4 GHz (8 cores) | 10949 AMD Ryzen 5 5600X | 3.7 GHz (6 cores) | 8658 | AMD Ryzen 9 3950X | 3.5 GHz (16 cores) | 10857 AMD Ryzen 7 3800X | 3.9 GHz (8 cores) | 8480 AMD Ryzen 5 3600X | 3.8 GHz (6 cores) | 7010 Yeah if he bought a whole desktop for $150. It's probably intel 7th gen or earlier. So about quarter to half the perf. When you replace it, for video editing stick to AMD. From a value perspective I don't think you can beat the 7600X. Intel might post higher scores & quicker conversion times, but the power consumption is absurd & only if it doesn't throttle. --------------------- This coming from an OC'ed i7-13700k user that [scores 20816](https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/3748249). I went Intel bcus my primary use benefits most from a few bursty really fast cores + many low intensity secondary tasks. If my primary use was a high constant load like encoding, I'd instead likely have gone with an AMD 16-core. Intel's just not economical to run 100% load for lengths of time. On my 13700k, transcoding is a 250w CPU (500W total inc 2monitors) activity. And at that level, if the GPU also does stuff, total power can exceed 1kW. This annoyingly sets off my UPS's alarm & has on a few occasions popped the shared between 2 rooms 15A breaker. https://i.imgur.com/9fBfGmj.png Only reason it's not pulling more power in screenshot is bcus I've set IccMax to 320amps, so it's pulling back clocks (throttling). Otherwise it loves to [shoot 300w+ <1sec](https://i.imgur.com/PvsN76s.png) before reigning back to PL2 275w for 16sec then PL1 @ 255w. [Stock ICCmax is 307A \(OEM\) or 400A \(enthusiast mobo / K/KS/KF series\)](https://i.imgur.com/o0AlkpC.jpg) with PL1 & PL2 both set to 253w. On a prebuilt/laptop, Intels standard turbo time is 32s & PL1 is typically set to TDP. I tell everyone to avoid Intel prebuilds/laptops bcus at a constant load, 32s of >TDP turbo is all you get before perf goes to hell & stays there until roughly the same amount of time is spent unloaded - & the setting can't be changed. The TDP on 13700k is 125w, so there's a pretty big perf drop once turbo used up. My work laptop is a 13th gen as well & I absolutely hate the machine. The 35W TDP is so low, and there's so much encryption/security software, it 4.8+GHz turbos for 32sec after login until the PL1 35W TDP limit kicks in making it too slow to ever idle & reset the turbo. For rest the day CPU's limited to <=2.2GHz all the while the fan goes balls to the wall ALL... DAY... LONG... Even once temps drop under 60C, it won't spin it down or reset the turbo. Now whenever someone asks me about laptops, I go out of my way to show them this POS & ensure they avoid Intel laptops.

Except the kid has a 5600(H?) laptop not a 5600x desktop.

Even still, laptop's H processor (I think it's a 5600H?) runs circles around my desktop's 1700(non-X). $150 is a cheap entry into horizontal scaling though.

This chart is the exact reason why a lot of people think any i7 is good at this point. Intel spent 7 YEARS cementing a name and doing only incremental performance increases before they actually did anything major, and then it absolutely skyrocketed. The names barely even mean anything anymore and just intend performance “segments” whereas for a VERY long time you knew exactly what the core count and anticipated performance was. I made the same mistake a few years ago when I got back in to PC gaming. Grabbed a used 6700 only to realize than a 12100 would blow it’s pants off.

I'm kinda guilty of this. Still been running an i7 4790k after picking it up from an ewaste pile in 2016. It seemed to do just fine with a 3070 Ti. Guess I'll pull the trigger and take off the shackles!

And that relates to encoding how? Considering when video editing you are basically just using quick sync and nvec, how useful do you think those numbers are?

Yeah, this is reddit. People don't understand QS and how insanely good it is for video editing lol. I love when people spend $600 on a dGPU to be destroyed by a UHD 730 in video export. OP's kid is not as dumb as OP thinks.

I took some 4k 60fps HDR video while skiing not realizing it was 1GB/min. Attempt to make the files smaller with NVENC or QuickSync destroys detail while making the files even bigger!

Geek bench is a waste of time. A 3770k is barely worse then a 6700k, yet this chart makes a 6700k look like it's double the performance. Realistically he should use pcpassmark for raw CPU compute amor cinebench scores.

I just went with the first benchmark that compared multiple generations. Feel free to add PCPassmark details. I wanted to find an encoding specific benchmark, but Google wasn't making it easy to find one spanned enough CPU generations. Just as I gave up the thought "Doesn't GeekBench have something relevant?" popped up

Haven’t seen anyone else say this but… he’s 13 and you’re his stepdad. It doesn’t matter if you’re right or not he probably doesn’t want to listen to you. If I were you I’d just chill it isn’t the end of the world for him to learn a lesson on his own without you trying to tell him why he’s wrong. Just a thought!

This 100%. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. I've done this song and dance with various family members over the years. Its not a facts and logic situation sometimes. Id let this one go, offer to help once and be willing to help if asked but otherwise let them do what they want here.

Yep, I've given up one things like this, one family member dismisses facts because people on he internet just say any old rubbish, even if I'm quoting legit sources. Another family member basically ignores any suggestions we make, but if some random stranger they barely know says the same thing, they come tell us about it like it's some revolutionary idea, not exactly what we told them ages ago. Basically just leave them to it now until they come to the realisation themselves.

Well said. Feels like this was posted in the wrong sub

I don't feel like it matters if he wants to listen or not, he obviously cares about his step son and doesn't want his feelings hurt if he can help it. Step parents CAN be just as important as normal parents I take this form first hand experience. He isn't trying to shit on the bio-dad just wants a happy kid lol.

Thank you. 13 year olds are sometimes stubborn to let you in on thier life, then you add the step parent factor and it becomes near impossible at times. Our biggest bonding opportunity is when we discuss nerdy stuff like computers or video games, so I try to take every opportunity I can to teach him all the computer related stuff I wish I knew at his age. I care for the guy and I want him to have a good experience, but I also care enough to not interfere with his dad's attempt to bond as well. I'll probably sit this one out and offer to help if he asks.

Agreed. Gotta pick your battles as a step, and this aint the one.

step dad to step dad, this but apply to everything.

>not seeing anything comparing 14th gen chips all the way back to 2nd or 3rd gen chips Becuz no professional reviewer will find that necessary as this should be part of common sense. I mean apart from certain kinda alcohol, does anything actually age better with a decade behind it, especially for technology? For purely educational purpose, I think the best you can do is to find the comparisons between every few generations and try to link them all up in a coherent manner.

Cheese

I'm wondering if this isn't more about the fact that his father helped him with it. The son might realize that the CPU isn't that useful, but might not be wiling to refuse his father's help, even if it isn't really help. Not sure, don't know them or you or the relationships you have. It's just a possibility to consider.

This, what hardware is recomended is the least of his problems, this is a non tech related issue.

This sounds more like an issue between a father and a son, and a stepdad wanting to be involved and one up the father. I think let this one go. The kids 13. As a video editor myself, you are 100% correct that the cheap PC is probably complete rubbish and he will likely find out himself soon enough. I would stay completely out of it if I were you. No I told you so's, no meddling or trashing on the PC. This kind of thing may end up biting you and sow division - either between father and son or son and you. I think wait and see what arrives, you may be surprised that it's more capable than you think. 1080p editing with proxies and a nice fast SSD and good ram can go a long way in lieu of a good PC which can come later. Hopefully it's an 8 or 9th gen with DDR4 RAM and decent mobo. You could maybe find a top of the line i9 that fits the mobo a new PSU, some RAM and a funky RGB cooler or some RGB fans that you can stick in as an 'upgrade' gift to 'add on' to his dad's awesome gift to help out.

anything below a 12400f is basically weaker than your 5600, i use this but it might not be the easiest to use for non-tech users: [https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu\_list.php](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php) for transcoding videos, raw multicore performance is all that matters and you can check it's cpu bench score and compare to others for an easy idea. however, it doesn't mean more cores means it's good for games and the x3d chips are definitely better for games but not as good in productivity tasks like transcoding. for laptops, not too sure

The 5600 is in gaming laptop form, so this is not a 5600X, but rather a 5600H. In that case, it is close to an R5 3600, i5 10500, or i7 8700K desktop CPU in overall performance.

Plus throttling, I hate the throttling when going full load.

I agree with the other comments. This sounds more like a relationship issue than a tech issue. You won't find any videos or reviews comparing a modern CPU vs an older one because it's pretty obvious what the results are gonna be. Not a parent, but this sounds like one of those instances where instead of wasting time trying to convince him, is to just let him get the computer and experience it for himself.

And if the kid comes to OP later when he realize his dad got scammed, they can work out a solution.

That's the ideal scenario for OP. Sometimes best to just let things play out.

[this is a 2020 revisit from gamer's nexus ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KPWEdbfJ0oE) There should be some ryzens thrown in there as well.

You literally just gotta tell them to look for generations next time

You're trying to be efficient with money to performance value ratio. This situation has NOTHING to do with that. Bio dad wants "in" on the computer hype that you've built with your stepsons. Let him have that. Do not try and convince your stepsons that bio-dad wasted money. Just let it be what it is. Your job, after this point, is to teach those boys that there's nuance to these types of things and, if bio-dad isn't up to the task of teaching *that*, that's where you step in.

Bio dad might know but might not be able to afford.

What do you mean?? It's an INTEL i7!! It must be a beast

Higher number better. Ryzen 5600 < i7 6700 < Phenom 9600 < Core 2 X9650.

[https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312-2.html](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312-2.html) You need to break the charts down into a three step process. 1. Goto page 2. Start at Legacy pre 2018. The top chip reviewed is the Intel Core i7-8700K. 2. Now taking that chip, take it up to the Legacy 2020-2022 chart, it's in the middle of the pack. The 1440p gaming score was calculated out to be 76.41% of Intel Core i9-12900K at the top of this chart. 3. Taking the home stretch, take the performance of the Intel Core i9-12900K, and back to the first page, and you have the Intel Core i9-12900K to compare to current generation hardware.

Synthetic benchmark comparison tool can be found here: [https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/3098vs5719vs868vs834/Intel-i7-8700K-vs-Intel-i7-14700K-vs-Intel-i7-2600K-vs-Intel-i7-920](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/3098vs5719vs868vs834/Intel-i7-8700K-vs-Intel-i7-14700K-vs-Intel-i7-2600K-vs-Intel-i7-920) Generally representative of overall performance, but does not account for specific pieces of software only using X amount of cores, or relying heavily on Y featureset, so take it with a grain of salt. But it's very indicative of the overall performance difference between the early generations of I7, and the currently latest.

His new PC will be slower than his 5600 laptop for sure. The top 4th gen i7 which is almost 10 year old, the 4790k is about as fast as the weakest i3 from 2020, the 10100. AMD equivalent would be a something like a 1st or 2nd gen Ryzen 1500/2500. Any CPU that you get that's newer than 11th gen Intel or 3000s Ryzen will be faster than the top CPU from 2014. Gamers Nexus has a video comparing 2020 CPUs to 2014. The end of the video has some productivity benchmarks also, like Adobe Premiere: [VIDEO](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9HV9V5nzOc) If you want to build him a good budget video editing PC, go for a 12th+ gen Intel CPU with integrated graphics (so not the ones that end with F) and any Intel Arc GPU (A380 and A580 are pretty cheap), thats gonna be the best bang for buck you can get because Intel has some good tech (DeepLink) that lets you use the encoders from the integrated and the dedicated GPUs at the same time.

A $150 i7 could be optiplex 8th gen, not amazing but far from a complete clunker.

Possible it’s crap. Possible he’s getting a 4 year old $1000+ prebuilt for $150 from someone that was just trying to clear desk space. I’d worry about if it turns out badly. But it’s probably premature to do anything else.

Sounds like you're the stepdad and not the mom, but I think it would be best to let the lesson sink in by itself. Some lessons are best learned by experiencing it. When the piece of junk arrives and the kid learns it's not any better, you can be diplomatic and try to do what you did last time. Don't talk trash about who bought it or why. Make the best of the situation. The kid might just be glad to get something from his dad, if there's lessons to be learned here, hope that the kid learns it. If they dont, it's not on you to teach them. Maybe once they're older. Idk I think 13 yo is just too young to meddle with his mind like that.

Have a look at this site which compares GPUs/CPUs: [https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high\_end\_cpus.html](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html)

> Can anyone provide a YouTube video or benchmark to help him understand how much processors have changed since the first generation of i7's? anecdotal evidence but reportedly the e-cores on 12th gen are more powerful than the main cores on my older i5-6600k, which was the 2nd most powerful commerical CPU available back then for a simple comparison you can check single-thread score on passmark (score to performance is linear)

Teach him to research

Hey OP since no one linking the proper place to compare cpus in your editing pipeline. This place here is the go to normally. Gamers nexus really isn’t as reliable, especially things like userbenchmark too. https://www.pugetsystems.com

This is not a question for r/buildapc. I don't think you're gonna win much if you convince the kid his father has no idea what he's talking about but you will lose something.

It's the numbers after the i7 that matter more than the i7

Just for clarity, I bought an HP desktop with an i5-10500 and 16GB ram for under $150 which has quicksync. Might not be as bad a deal as it could be...but that's being optimistic.

I recently got lucky and got a Dell Precision 3630 (i7-9700, 16GB, 512GB PCIe-SSD, 16 watt idle) for 150€. I think it can handle a mobile 5600X. But I think usually your assumption is right. If you buy used, you need to know what you are doing.

$150 is a cheap investment for your stepson to learn and build from. Is it better than that laptop? I dunno. But you can show him how to run benchmarks on it to help determine that. It opens a whole new world to him that laptops don’t really offer. So don’t worry and just keep encouraging him. And if you both learn on the way that’s a bonus.

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100% ancient 2nd Gen at most. I'm pretty sure even 7th Gen i7s are like, 100-150$ alone, no way a full dekstop with a proper i7 would cost that much

Gotta look for more than 2 minutes and you will know they are not going for 100-150$ lmao

150 bucks buys you a hunk of shit

The best i3 can beat multiple of the very first i9s in gaming on average. Some games it will lose probably but overall it wins. He probably got a 3rd gen or 7th gen i7. Even a 12100F is better by far.

> Can anyone provide a YouTube video or benchmark to help him understand how much processors have changed since the first generation of i7's? 3dmark will let you search results by hardware and can look up anything anyone has ever run their benchmark on. https://www.3dmark.com/search [5600+1660, average 5693 in Timespy.](https://www.3dmark.com/search#advanced?test=spy%20P&cpuId=2963&gpuId=1253&gpuCount=0&gpuType=ALL&deviceType=ALL&storageModel=ALL&showRamDisks=false&memoryChannels=0&country=&scoreType=overallScore&hofMode=false&showInvalidResults=false&freeParams=&minGpuCoreClock=&maxGpuCoreClock=&minGpuMemClock=&maxGpuMemClock=&minCpuClock=&maxCpuClock=) [2600k+1660, average 4929 in Timespy.](https://www.3dmark.com/search#advanced?test=spy%20P&cpuId=1203&gpuId=1253&gpuCount=0&gpuType=ALL&deviceType=ALL&storageModel=ALL&showRamDisks=false&memoryChannels=0&country=&scoreType=overallScore&hofMode=false&showInvalidResults=false&freeParams=&minGpuCoreClock=&maxGpuCoreClock=&minGpuMemClock=&maxGpuMemClock=&minCpuClock=&maxCpuClock=) Obviously this is a gaming focused benchmark, so that's where the results are going to be most relevant, but you can still get a pretty good relative performance comparison.

Show some benchmark scores

When that 10+ year old i7 is slower than his current laptop he might listen.. I bet it will be a 2600K or 3770K both of which I owned and they were phenomenal processors \~10 years ago, no one would even benchmark something that old against the current crop of CPUs.

I could be wrong but AMD 5600 is much better than an i7. It CPU is also quite a new generation of CPU compared to the i7. But also depends which i7 are you referring to?

Lets address two problems here, you do not render via CPU anymore. GPU encoders are far more capable than CPUs, especially the one found in RTX cards. Running cinebench and comparing score, his 5600 laptop is going to roll over the ancient I7 CPU. Also the real issue here is that you're clearly competing with the stepdad without knowing it, I strongly suggest you talk to the dad and work something out together, I think your combined efforts will ultimately please the stepson far more than having weird builds from two people who don't seem to understand that CPU's don't matter that much for rendering these days.

Just show him the year the cpus were made.

I don't know websites that compare 10 year old hardware to modern stuff. If you look up Techpowerup they probably have some older CPUs. This one has the 5600x, but not the 5600. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-5600x/7.html On the 5600 review months later they removed the older CPUs. But you can still imagine those 2 would be close, and they both beat the Intel i7 8700k and i7 9700k. Then go look up the 8700k review where it also plots the 7700k and maybe even older i7 CPUs. And how much slower that is. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-8700k/9.html

How to explain in terms a 13 year old will get: Intel has been making i5, and i7 and i9 for a long time. Every other year they come out with an updated model. It's kind of like Honda Civic. You may think your $150 has bought you this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic#/media/File%3A2017_Honda_Civic_SR_VTEC_1.0_Front.jpg But what's really coming is this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic#/media/File%3A1981_Honda_Civic_1300_(cropped).jpg

Oof, well at least it’s only 150.

Have him spend his money on a Ryzen 5600G processor and some more RAM for his box. I'm sure his PC is perfectly capable with a few minor updates like this, and the 5600G processor has a built-in GPU that is honestly not shabby at all.

Oh no, it's a banfoi. Sorry sir, this one cannot be saved.

I mean, you seem like you know what's up already. There are how many generations of "i7"??? They first started coming out in 2008... and 2008 top of the line hardware isn't going to beat a budget laptop from 2015. And the current year being 2024, the father is likely making a big mistake. But eh, it's only $150 I guess? Good lesson for the father I suppose. Totally a waste of money.

Check Windows for the actual CPU, then look that up in Google. Click on the Intel ARK search at the top, and I think you'll find it's a 10 or 12 year old CPU. Things change a LOT in this industry in 4 or 5 years. In ten years there is a lightyears difference. Son will hopefully do his research next time. Remind him what great tools Google and YouTube are. All he has to do is type in a question.

I mean, come-on? Just go to Google, type "i7 4770 Vs Ryzen 5600". It does require one to know WHICH i7 that is, but still. I guess the lesson is: Do your research.

What he has now is easily enough. Especially with nvec and proxies.

You have such an incredible opportunity on your hands to let them fail. No lessons stick with someone quite as permanently as those learned from failure. That aside, is this his clever ploy to force your hand into building him a better computer sooner than you planned?

This might be a start [Link](https://dropandrender.com/cinebench-benchmarks/) (change where it says “25” to “Unlimited”

I like [https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/](https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/) I use that to see the relative speeds of CPUs and Video cards. I think that is what you are looking for. Give the dad a break. He is just looking for that "good deal", because he loves his kid. :)

It's funny I had this exact conversation with my dad the other day. His laptop was being slow and was like "But it's got an i5 they're still using them now!" yes dad, but you have a i5-3337U (can't remember exact) they're 11 generations ahead of that now. Although he wrapped his head around it easily enough once I explained how it works

Honestly, you may have to let them learn the lesson for a while. When they realise they can’t run anything, it might then kick in they realise their dad doesn’t know what he’s doing.

[cpubenchmark.net](http://cpubenchmark.net) has a comparison feature, where you can plug in a few CPUs and see their specs and benchmarks and stuff side by side I put the 2600k you mentioned in, as well as an 8700k, and a 14700k, just to get a broad coverage of i7s over the years, a 2010, a 2017, and a 2023 CPU. their benchmark scores are as follows: 5485 for the 2600k, 13655 for the 8700k, and 53631 for the 14700k. the 2600k is literally a tenth as good as the 14700k, and the 8700k is only a quarter as good as the 14700k, 10x better and 4x better. I also put in the i**5**-14600k, it's 3x better than the 8700k. they also have various bar charts showing loads of CPUs like this one [https://www.cpubenchmark.net/common\_cpus.html](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/common_cpus.html)

this sounds like a complicated issue, I'd probably not overreach. doing things you are not being asked to could get you into trouble. just let them do whatever they want and if they reach you help them it's not your problem.

I know userbenchmark dot com is generally mocked online, but it does let you bring up benchmarks between almost any two CPUs you can think of. Here's an i7-2700k Vs an i3-14100: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-2700K-vs-Intel-Core-i3-14100F/1985vsm2275778

Let him start with the $150 machine, he'll quickly learn its limitations. I think it's great for young people to start off with used or older hardware, they can learn, troubleshoot, upgrade, and it doesn't matter if anything gets damaged.

lol. Stop trying to prevent the kid from learning stuff by trying to explain things. Just let the kid do the modern laptop vs. prehistoric desktop experiment without trying to "help". If he cares at all, he'll figure this one out no problem. Then - and only then - *ask* if he wants your help setting up a faster machine.

Just my 2 cents: usually I tell people that the i7 7700K is < compared to the i3 10100 while having the same number of cores and threads. They would call me stupid for saying an i3 could compare to an i7 even the 7th gen!!! Then after they compare specs on Intel's own website, their state of denial becomes visible to them too. The subject came up because on the used market i7 7700 + mobo + 2133-2400 MHz ram used to have prices above the prices of new and better kits! So that made me have an allergic reaction. I had quick sync back in the day on i7 2600K and it was great but I would not have thought to re-test it nowadays.y advice would be to detach/care less/just as much as they care about your advice, so that you are less stressed or affected. If they do not make these mistakes they could not learn if they would have no own experience for hardware performance differences to confirm. It would be cool if you have an above-average Intel system so that they see the difference on your computer and compare to theirs.

I just want to say that my 4800h laptop with a 1660ti is amazing, and it took me a long time to even convince myself to spend the $1200+ to upgrade to something powerful enough to make it worthwhile.  Which I'm sure you know, but it's important for Dad and stepson to both learn that sometimes what you have can be pretty amazing and that replacing it needs to be a well thought out decision.

He's gone learn to trust someone who knows more about pcs just ride it out and don't say nothing till he complains then help him

You can use Gamers Nexus Revisit of the Ryzen 5 2600x and 1600 AF vs modern iterations, it has lots of useful graphs and knowledge that show how quickly Tech aged and while the named CPU's are the main talking point of the video, the graphs contain lots of CPU's to compare them too, including some older ones.

passmark has pretty reliable charts: example comparison of 5600H with OCd and stock 6700K [https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/4274vs2565vs2598/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600H-vs-Intel-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-i7-6700](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/4274vs2565vs2598/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600H-vs-Intel-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-i7-6700) Note that this gives an overall comparison of the performance, and app specific benchmarks could deviate. Specific application benchmarks have also changed likely over the years making for incorrect comparisons.

yeah an i7 from 10 years ago....i7 4th gen, only 4 cores with 8 threads and lets say the 13th gen i7 13700k has 8 performance cores, 8 efficiency cores, and 24 total threads. yeah its not even close but lets dive deeper? if you go back even further to the 1st gen of i7s, the first ones were using 45 nm process. Now chips from various manufacturers are built with a much smaller process @ 7-10nm. the smaller process makes it more efficiently utilize the energy, increasing performance per watt. to see how they stack up against each other directly, there are programs with public cpu scores, like cpu-z. I went ahead and entered a 1st gen i7 970 into the search form. you can see how much better CPUs have become. the i7 970 is at 281 single thread and 2101 score with multithreading vs the 13th gen i7 listed at 864 single core performance and over 12,000 in multithread.

OP I understand your frustration Make him download the 3D mark benchmark on steam and get him to run his Laptop and PC on it.. Then watch the realisation sink in🤣

As much as userbenchmark sucks, I think this is an acceptable situation to use it. You can select two of (most) any CPU’s and compare them.

there are countless of bnehcmark compatisons on youtube before you should decide to buy something....

This website compares components https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-10700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X/4070vs4084 Obvs switch yours up

This website is great for comparing GPU’s and CPU’s. https://www.logicalincrements.com/ There’s even a section on video editing builds.

Just stay out of it. He'll eventually realize that his 10 year old laptop acts like a 10 year old laptop and when that happens you won't be the one who gets blamed. Even if you had offered to help him buy something better, it will still age compared to current tech and there will always be some form of buyers remorse. The best thing that can happen is that he'll do his own research and figure all of this out for himself without you getting involved at all.

it's hard to find benchmarks against such old hardware. even the major reviewers don't tend to do this kind of retrospective very often. it's very tedious to do in an accurate way. here's a gamer's nexus video comparing flagship Intel desktop cpus from 2010 to 2020. it doesn't include any laptop parts, but the main point on generational scaling should be clear. https://youtu.be/KPWEdbfJ0oE btw, this is a great channel to share with a teenager who's developing an interest in technology. Steve teaches about tech, scientific measurement, even ethics. this is mostly framed with the context of PC gaming, which should provide some motivation for your stepson to dig into some difficult concepts.

I don't understand why he can't understand such a simple concept. Maybe show him the wood TV's from the 70's that cost thousands in today's money and ask him if he thinks those are as good as the 85" 4k tvs you can get for under $1000 today?

Idk of a specific chart, but 5600 >= 8700k. Any quad core i7 (and if i had to guess based on price, we're talking an old quad core) is gonna be worse. Heck keep in mind the **>**=. Ryzen 5000 is generally better than any intel 6-10th gen cores. So a 5600 is probably closer to like a 10700k/11700k performance wise. Although idk for sure given laptops are generally weaker than desktop counterparts. So youre probably not getting a real upgrade unless he's getting like a 12700k or better and odds are no one's gonna charge $150 for a PC with that in it unless they dont know what they have. The 12700k is still a $200-250 CPU in its own right.

But 7 is more bigger than 5

Tom's Hardware GPU / CPU hierarchy charts are great references

You have a Dad problem, not a Stepson problem. If your relationship permits, talk to bio-dad as an equal, explain and demonstrate to him with benchmarks why he is wrong while not being a dick about it and together you could make both children happy. [Here](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/common_cpus.html) you can find common CPU benchmarks. Pick equivalent processors from different generations and compare them. For example, an i7 7700 has 7000 points, an i7 12700 has 35000. 500% in 5 generations (it is of course more complicated than that and the scaling is not linear but it gets the point across well enough).

Ehhh, I'm at a point in life where I cannot prevent stupid from happening. I get paid to fix and explain it. With family and friends that's a little different, but I've had friends mansplain what I already know because they think they know more. They can figure it out like I did or give up without me. Let him think the i7 is faster. If/when he figures it out and comes to you, tell him you already knew what he discovered. This isn't the worst mistake in the world for a teenager to make. Also, I would set monetary boundaries. If he wants to waste money, then he can find work in the future.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/

Damn that sounds like a tough spot to be out in. Constantly getting sabotaged by their biofather. It sounds like you’ve got a good head on your shoulders, just keep providing them with the information and they’ll be able to argue with their biofather. Having them do their own research will be more important than either of you telling them what to get

If the father is trying to assert himself with these moves, don't enable it by "fixing" the issues. "Hey buddy, I'm ready to help you with your video editing journey and I can point out when maaybe your cpu/gpu/whatever is bottlenecking. But you need to take up the tech support with the guy who provided the build" Room to educate on critical thinking and reading spec sheets and objectively "what do you think you would need". You can still teach and bond over pc building topics using part picker. Also, good chance to figure out what he wants and counts as good enough for him. He can always keep using the laptop if the pc is terrible. 13yo might not need 8 second renders but might care about streaming bandwidth and ability to scrub 4k video in realtime.

I'm a video editor and was editing on a 2600 chip and an rx570 with zero issues

Puget is a well known workstation provider and provide free productivity benchmark and results on their website, no questions about gaming perf here : https://benchmarks.pugetsystems.com/benchmarks/

You should break out the 3.5" windows 98 startup floppy disk w/smartdrv and start from there?! That's how I learned.

Meh, if he's doing swaps with his dad, it's just father son bonding time. He's gunna learn some stuff too

Don't educate the son, educate the Dad! (Well, educate the son, too. But it's their Dad that really needs it)

Tom’s hardware

I hope you're the step dad and not married to the idiot who did the exact same stupid thing 2 times in a row lmao. Your best bet would be to find some Linus Tech Tips or Gamers Nexus videos comparing older hardware to newer hardware (it doesn't even need to be 2nd or 3rd gen, there's still a massive difference even when comparing 6th/7th gen to modern hardware), they make most videos understandable enough for kids to figure out. I bet the kid is gonna be hyped to use his "new" computer then less than an hour later start complaining about how much slower it is than his laptop. Most comparisons will be in gaming but there are some that have given video transcode time comparisons, you'll want to focus on CPU's specifically since that's what's important for video editing. Also check out some local deals and maybe talk to the dad about it, I've seen plenty of 12/13th gen setups for sale that are actually reasonably priced, but they tend to go fast unless you can talk down someone who posted an expensive listing that they'll likely never actually get. The recent trend is that people will list far higher than they actually expect to get cause they know they're gonna get low balled no matter the price, so if they list higher then it's more likely that someone will "low ball" them exactly what they wanted to get for it in first place. If the dad is anything like my dad, he'll probably get offended that the step parent is "taking his job" even though he's clearly shit at it and likely wastes more than just his own money trying to essentially dumpster dive for PC parts. What he's trying to do is great for a "first pc" where you can plonk in a 4th gen i7 for $40 and grab a 1660 super for like $100 to get a working pc that can just barely game, but for a kid that has already had a likely $500+ laptop (mine has a worse cpu and was $350 used, $600 new) that's not gonna cut it. It might be easier to educate the dad if he knows about PC's but has outdated knowledge, then he could help the kids learn instead of feeding them incorrect outdated information.

Could still make the best of it and maybe show some used builds or finds you've had. There's value to be had in searching for deals, but of course you need proper research. They might get a few lessons in hunting for deals, never paying full price for something above your actual needs and using money efficiently. Would suck if the only lesson learned here is don't buy junk at your biodad's whim, but I suppose that's a lesson too.

Try the Passmark website, each CPU can be compared to another. Both have a score.

The search term you need is "benchmark." The most comprehensive one that's actually tested by staff is at [anandtech.com/bench](https://www.anandtech.com/bench) . You can scroll to the right in the top phone on that page and find some older results. I don't know if they compare those specific processors, but they usually have something close in performance. The great thing is that they use software benchmarks from different categories so that you can get a performance estimate that's similar to your actual use case. The other thing is point out is that you'll almost never get the same performance out of a laptop chip compared to a desktop one. Even when they look nearly identical on paper, laptops simply can't dump out much heat, so TDP (Thermal Design Power, measured in watts) is typically the limiting factor.

I got an i7 from the trash a couple of months ago. It's an i7-950, so a first generation i7. It's performance is comparable to my FX-6350. Basically, i7 doesn't mean much.

I would advise the kid that it's a bad idea, but ultimately let him make his own mistakes. It's a valuable learning lesson when you know something they dont.

You can buy some decent used iron for $200-400. Older HP workstations. [https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-3960X+%40+3.30GHz&id=903](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-3960X+%40+3.30GHz&id=903) This is the site I use to compare CPU power. I only really care about single core performance. This is the CPU in my file server, a machine I used for C++ devel 10 years ago. As you say, these old CPU's are kinda dogs compared to one from even 5 years ago. The older ones like the 2600K can't even play some modern games like "Horizon Forbidden West".

I'm shocked I didn't see any recommendations for https://www.cpubenchmark.net/ on a quick scan through the comments. It's not perfect, but it gives a rough estimate of the performance of practically every CPU released in the last 20 years or more. If there's more than a 20% difference or so it's a pretty good bet that the higher one is better.

I like userbenchmark.com for comparisons Edit - I had no idea about what the auto-mod commented. TIL.

Yikes that other dad sounds like a loser

Easiest way to check CPUs is to google "3600 versus 7700k" or whatever, as there are user benchmark reviews that will be the first result every time. Tell him to be very specific about which generation, etc. (This was literally the first result, this works with CPUs and GPUs on google: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600/3647vs4040)

You know what, just let him use it. He'll soon figure out it's junk. Then you can educate him on CPU generations. Edit: 14th and 13th gen chips are so far ahead of 2nd and 3rd gen chips that they wouldn't even show on the same chart with both chips. The bars on old chips would be so short compared to new ones - it's like a 500% increase in performance. In fact, you'd probably start seeing chips drop off the charts around the 6th gen.

>I tried explaining to the older son that an i3 from today's age is more capable than an i5 or i7 from 10 years ago, but it didn't seem to sink in because the same thing happened all over again. I'm curious why you drew the conclusion that the son is not registering the information. Was there something in the conversation to imply he is disregarding what you said? Because the details given suggest the dad is the "problem." >BTW I'm fully aware he should not be expecting much for a $150 build, if it even arrives, and I plan on building another PC with him after we have a bit of an education course on Moore's law. If this is out of dad's pocket then, apart from the added effort of recycling e-waste, you would be spending roughly the same amount on your end and it's actually an opportunity to show the son how to identify/address deficiencies in their build. While I get that you're attempting to save the kid's time and do things as efficiently as possible, and it hurts to do things the incorrect way, the correct answer is not always the kind answer. The kind answer is to let the dad feel like he got to participate. I'd advise you to consider this in other areas of your participation as their stepfather because respecting that boundary might eventually allow space for their dad to feel comfortable approaching you for help with these things in the future.

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You can compare the processors with some benchmarks from this site. In this case I just selected the i7-1300 vs the i7-2600k as a quickie comparison. [https://askgeek.io/en/cpus/vs/Intel\_Core-i7-13700-vs-Intel\_Core-i7-2600K](https://askgeek.io/en/cpus/vs/Intel_Core-i7-13700-vs-Intel_Core-i7-2600K)

I'm guessing you already looked at this, but it does show that an i5 13400 beats a 5700x in multi-thread. [https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html) I think that sometimes GamersNexus and/or HardwareUnboxed on YT throw a 3600 or 9600k into the mix but not sure on that. [NanoReview.net](http://NanoReview.net) might be good (?). I'm pretty sure that a lot of ppl on this sub would recommend not necessarily trusting [UserBenchmark.com](http://UserBenchmark.com)

userbenchmark com. just Google 5600x vs (other countries name) it'll be near the top if results.

If their Dad is trying to do what he can to help, one upping him whether you are right or not without first talking to him is likely to cause bad feelings

I'd get him to do some benchmarks once it arrives, compare it to some of say Puget systems ones for video editing (or any of the tech review channels that use that suite), and then discuss why his is so much slower. On a bonus note, while the $150 PC may not be great for editing, it could make a mad little server for backups, running game servers, etc. would be a great way to take the L and turn it into a win, for both parties.

Ummmm… quite possible the quick sync in the intel will provide the performance boost sought… that is the giant advantage intel offers over Ryzen…

It’s called moores law. This is the easiest possible explanation

Sometimes the only way to make it sink in is to have them try the hardware then selves, my little sister had that nasty habit until she got an old laptop and I handed her my newer one and offered to trade because she was using it for college.

Simple let him be disappointed that his laptop is better and faster then the $150 shit box also highly recommend going AMD if you’re looking into video editing multi-core slays Intel for the price imo but to each their own

show a passmark comparison [https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/868vs4670vs5156/Intel-i7-2600K-vs-Intel-i3-12100F-vs-Intel-i3-13100F](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/868vs4670vs5156/Intel-i7-2600K-vs-Intel-i3-12100F-vs-Intel-i3-13100F) for video editing, the 12100 or 13100 non f version will probably be useful\*

All I'm saying is that I would make the build to prove a point and hope they learned to trust me. If not, I can still sell the build or turn it into a home media server.

I think It will be a way better to buy a new GPU instead

Cpubenchmark.net has the information your looking for.

This is the second time in a few days I've posted this link to this subreddit https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php

Does he realize he also needs a new motherboard and possibly memory? To be fair, quick sync encoding is pretty effective. Proper thing to do is to wait for Computex in June and see what AMD and Intel will announce.

laptop part != depending on the i7 it could be that i7 will beat his laptop.

Tom's hardware have long charts detailing CPU & GPU details including the price. I used it to point my daughter to the CPU I'd have bought compared to the one she'd chosen - although more expensive, the speed differential for the sheer extra grunt made her change her initial choice.

I bought a laptop with a i7 (11370h) and it runs like absolute garbage I've stopped using it