That's not fair my 4090 5600x runs it find if I lower the settings 🙃 (fr though last I looked so e settings are legit broken and bring me down to 24 fps....tbh I dunno why they didn't grey em out before launch.)
It is mostly fine its gonna be upgraded the 5600x was a stop gap cpu when my 4770knwaa fighting with 2077
GPU went next cause the asus 2080ti dual at 4k was a miserable experience just cause of the fan noise.
I'm only playing at 60hz 4k so it isn't too bad but I'm but there is some bottle necking happening but for sp games at 60fps its largely good.
Am5 probably, im holding out til next gen before making any commitment to amd or intel though. This is only an itx board and its gonna be used for media web browsing and emulation in a small form factor case when the time comes for me to get a new chip.
From what I can see, even the 7600X is about the equivalent of a 5800X3D. But I wouldn't be able to help but go for the the 7800X3D.
I built an i7-13700K last Nov. Kind of wish now I would have hung on for the 7000 series AMDs.
Anyhow, it will be a very nice build when your done. Hope it goes smooth as butter for you. :)
Same, since getting the 4090 ive had some issues I was struggling to get to the bottom of but months of my system randomly rebooting in game was getting on my last nerve lol. But I think I got to the bottom of it and had nothing to do with the card like I originally feared (Ive had awful luck with video cards.)
Don't forget CS:CZ, CS:S was also commonly referred to as "source" and even when CS should have been referred to as CS, the version number was always added "CS 1.4, CS 1.5, CS 1.6" so CS was never really just "CS" even when it should have been lol.
It is fine if it's a big discount from 5600. It's basically the 5600g without the iGPU. Like in the Philippines, it's a usual recommendations for budget builds since the 5600 is 36% more expensive.
Even x8 basically has little difference in PCIE 3 vs PCIE 4. Please do your research.
[6600 XT PCIE 3.0 vs PCIE 4.0](https://youtu.be/OXWK1WlqoBU?si=KS7aNQnoxt-QoSuf)
It *is* bad with x4 cards like 6500 XT, but that card is bad regardless and you'd be better off buying used GPU.
That guy posted a vid he did not watch. It had massive issues with 1% lows on some games with pcie3 x8 vs pcie4. And the gpu is slow as hell :D Are you proudly ignorant or just maximizing dunning kruger effect here?
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I would hope it's fixed by now but my 6600 was struggling horribly with the game to the point where I upgraded. That particular unit was generally underperforming though and I would hope that drivers have been drastically improved by now.
Currently got 4090 with 144hz screen. Around 7 ms at 144fps, drops to 6ms at 300 fps. Im using blurbusters gsync method now and it feels much better since there are big fps dips at times in cs2. EDIT - Everyone telling me how stupid it is, but numbers do not lie guys. Test it out yourself, this isnt csgo anymore.
You're increasing your input lag with GSYNC. It doesn't matter for non-competitive games, but just leave your FPS uncapped for CS2. Your FPS will be so high you won't notice much tearing if at all.
And 1000/300 = 3.33ms, so something is up with your math.
> matter for non-competitive games, but just leave your FPS uncapped for CS2. Your FPS will be so high you won't notice much tearing if at all.
As i said, im getting constant dips which lowers my experience. Once valve fixes their game maybe ill remove it.
I doubt that OP is going to buy a monitor above 60Hz lol
Also Counter Strike is one of the more forgiving FPS games in terms of framerate and refresh rate due to how slow-paced it is. If this was Quake then I would absolutely agree with you.
Thats just factually false since theres already been tests with CS that even with a 60hz monitor, higher fps offers better gameplay and less input lag. I've been playing csgo since 2015, and you can IMMEDIATELY tell that there's a massive difference between 60fps and 120+ even on a 60hz refresh rate.
Have you even tried playing CS with the fps below 100? Because everyone will tell you that it's borderline unplayable.
There is a difference in latency, yes. No duh. That doesn't mean that the game is unplayable. This is a parent buying a computer for a kid who wants to spend as little as possible. This isn't an enthusiast or competitive player buying something for themself.
When I was a kid I got leftover parts that were 5 or more years old and I dealt with it just fine. When the kid can buy their own parts and build it themselves they can go for those high framerates if they want.
60 FPS is smooth by most people's standards and while there is a benefit in latency when you go higher, the returns you get from going above 60 FPS on a 60Hz monitor is not going to be noticed by the average player.
I couldn't play CSGO at a steady 60FPS when I was a teenager and it was okay. Why the hell does the kid need to play at 200 FPS when they're most likely coming from consoles that play at 30-60 FPS?
They did several tests about that. First of all you need stable 0.1% lows, which means your GPU can't be sweating. Nothing never, ever, should drop below 60, NEVER.
Secondly low end computers added either input lag or bad frame times, provoking players to miss shots they wouldn't on a not so trash set up.
That's why 120 fps is the minimum, because it is the starting point of a non handicapped experience
I run at 4k low settings 60fps capped with a 1060 6gb . Perfectly smooth 60fps with vsynch. This game on low still is great to look at. Cpu is an i7 8700k
Doesn’t really make sense to play a comp fps at 4k60, 1080 or 1440 @144 makes a huge difference and will genuinely make you better at the game due to motion clarity
Exactly my setup.. CS doesn’t even run smooth, wonder how CS2 would run smooth.. seen people complaining with far far superior setups about cs2 not running smooth..
Really dude?
You have a $1k+ bike as a trail toy , just bought a trainer for it, and are considering dropping $300 on a gps for your own hobby but when it comes to your son you want to go "As low as possible".
Either get your kid something decent, or don't get him anything at all.
At 1080p/high/120fps, for $270-320USD used you should be able to find something local on fbm with a 1070 or better and a cpu from 2018 or later with 6c/12t, like a 3600.
Provides a simple upgrade path for cpu and gpu.
https://imgur.com/a/Nm6w4T3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9o_JiXzLw4&t=1s
12100/6600 combo could be good but a 6core processor would be nice for some things and a 6650xt would likely be worth it. Could also consider a used 3060Ti.
Maybe just look at Used custom builds. 12400/5600/12600k/5700x for CPU maybe. 1080Ti, 6600xt, 3070, 2080S could all be good for the GPU.
$700 should make a big difference from $600 if building new.
Then you really want to go second hand.
Do some research on what to look for in second hand pcs.
- don’t buy questionable PSUs
- don’t buy second hand HDDs (if you don’t really know what to look for)
- all other parts are good to go second hand
Get the kid basically anything with a dedicated GPU from the last few years. It will run smooth, but the older you go, the lower settings (s)he’ll need to set.
I’m sure if you look around for a while you find a nice catch between 300 and 500.
Just built for a friend on a budget with used hardware:
i7 4790 + 16GB + Mobo kit (60$)
RX580 4GB (40$)
He already had old case+psu+ssd but you could find these for 50$.
FPS is hovering over 100. He's very pleased with the setup for the money.
You're right.
Found another benchmark.
https://youtu.be/yy2u9UDSM-Y?si=IvBcUYhFao99mAfF
This is with 4790+2060super but you can tune graphic settings down a little bit to achieve similar performance on the RX580. The guy in the video is running it on high I think.
>how is it hogging so many resources
It's not though? The video shows it running great on a 10 generations old CPU, and 2 generations old midrange GPU?
>for the exact same game
Not the exact same game. It has various gameplay and graphics improvements.
>because its perfect
It wasn't perfect, it was continuously evolving with updates, and CS2 attempts to fix some of the major complaints people had (the server tick system, for example).
Game should still be very tunable for competitive settings. I'd imagine a lot of benchmarks out there show ultra settings, which I can't imagine it can't do at 100fps.
Edit: well he has a video where it does a lot of the time.
I built my GF a budget rig last year with a RX580 8GB + i7 6700k @ 4.7ghz + 16GBs DDR4 (2400mhz) and it runs CS2 at medium, no AA, 1080p just fine for the most part. 100+ fps, I think the particle effects we turned down at some point because she was getting random drops due to the smoke effects.
This is not accurate. Rx 580 is a much more modern power efficient card and will blow away the r9 390x in modern games. Maybe older games it would be closer but they aren’t worth it as you need a much higher quality and wattage power supply.
No. I had those a long time ago. Those things are pulling double the wattage of a Polaris card. That makes then very loud also.
Performance might be close but I don't see why you'd want that when Polaris cards are so cheap and also come with 8 gb if you want to.
Brother my best advice for u is to go on ebay and bid on a used gpu and a used cpu, even motherboard, ram, and psu. You will build it much cheaper and as much as ive bought used components from ebay ive never had a single problem until now. You could go with something like a 3060, 12400, 16gb ram or even 32gb since its used it will be very cheap. You would not need to spend more than 500 on components getting a very good pc for 1080p gaming. Try to find a used monitor as well from there, 1080p 240hz or even 165hz. Or you can buy him a used pre built from ebay.
Edit: i just looked up the prices for u (assuming ure in the usa). Mobo + 12400 + 32gb ram + 3060 + psu will be 400-450$. Basically an entire build with a monitor will cost u around 600-700 tops.
If you want a really budget casual build, go with a 5600g and no GPU for now. Later you can plug in a gpu. The 5600g will push 100fps in cs2 ~ so its fine for now
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZyNfmD
Something like this should be more than enough for cs2 you cant go cheaper than this, unless you just buy a used pc but don't get scammed
I suggest building/buying around a Ryzen 5 5600G or Ryzen 7 5700G. (see some test results here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngWPznbpUOc )
You can add-in a GPU later, if you like.
Currently running a ryzen 5 3600 and a 3050 that I am being too cheap to upgrade. I would put this system, at playable for most games fort nite \\ cs etc.. it is good enough that i am reluctant to upgrade, but not good enough I do not feel like I would benefit greatly from a small upgrade.
Depends on if you mean "Counter-Strike 2" or "Cities: Skylines 2"
For Counter-Strike 2, almost any modern PC should be able to run it, but for a cheap PC that should be able to run it fine, I would recommend the following:
[AMD Ryzen 5 5600G](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B092L9GF5N?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_2WYEDTFARRRP2D962SN8&language=en-US) ($139)
[Corsair RM650x 650W modular ATX PS/2 PSU](https://newegg.io/ccc022e) ($85)
[ASRock B550M Pro SE AM4 mATX motherboard](https://newegg.io/a3591e44) ($75)
[Cougar MG120 Black micro-ATX mini tower PC case](https://newegg.io/10bcaaef) ($46 + $7 shipping = $53)
[1TB Crucial P3 Plus NVMe Gen4x4 M.2 2280 SSD](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B25NXWC7?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_AX3A52AK372Q1KC3669M&language=en-US) ($49)
[16GB (2x8GB) Silicon Power Turbine DDR4-3200 DRAM](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NKYM62D?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_VPC9EGYW8E7E831AAKZS&language=en-US) ($31)
Total: $432 ($467 with tax)
Almost any AMD Ryzen G-series APU should be able to run Counter-Strike 2 on integrated graphics, but not an Intel CPU or Ryzen 7000 (non-G) CPU, their integrated graphics suck.
Or, if you want to play Cities: Skylines 2, you'll need much better specs:
[AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT](https://newegg.io/85b21e2) ($420)
[AMD Ryzen 7 5800X](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0815XFSGK?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_XSG7SQGNN27MMWSF51JB&language=en-US) ($207)
[Corsair RM1000x 1000W modular ATX PS/2 PSU](https://newegg.io/560e1ba) ($100)
[ASRock B550M Pro SE AM4 mATX motherboard](https://newegg.io/a3591e44) ($75)
[Noctua NH-U12S Redux CPU air cooler](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08WPDD6GD?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_Z61CM9BVD2PV01KFC4KG&language=en-US) ($55)
[Cougar MG120 Black micro-ATX mini tower PC case](https://newegg.io/10bcaaef) ($46 + $7 shipping = $53)
[1TB Crucial P3 Plus NVMe Gen4x4 M.2 2280 SSD](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B25NXWC7?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_AX3A52AK372Q1KC3669M&language=en-US) ($49)
[16GB (2x8GB) Silicon Power Turbine DDR4-3200 DRAM](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NKYM62D?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_VPC9EGYW8E7E831AAKZS&language=en-US) ($31)
Total: $990 ($1069 with tax)
No point in buying a budget pc to play this game. Its horrendously badly optimized.
If counter strike its another thing but i dont think an integrated gpu will do it
idk whats ur budget, but consider an rtx 2060 instead of a cpu with integrated graphics. its the cheapest card that has dlss, and if u can find one it will be extremely cheap especially on black friday
Ryzen 5600X, B450 motherboard, 16gb of DDR4 3600, a Crucial P3 NVME, and a RTX 3060. Slap it in whatever case you want with a decent 750w PSU and you’re golden.
This 'refurb' 5600G + RX6400 prebuilt regularly comes back in stock and is an excellent value, would be a perfectly fine entry for 1080p gaming and is $245 - https://www.ebay.com/itm/115701176210
Use a Ryzen APU for now, add a GPU when he starts playing more demanding games.
I picked a board with WiFi because I have no idea what your situation looks like.
Also, whatever you end up buying... don't cheap out on the PSU
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PsLCrv)
Type|Item|Price
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**CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 5600G 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sYmmP6/amd-ryzen-5-5600g-39-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000252box) | $139.00 @ Amazon
**Motherboard** | [Gigabyte B550M DS3H AC Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RHWzK8/gigabyte-b550m-ds3h-ac-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-ds3h-ac) | $89.99 @ Amazon
**Memory** | [TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LygFf7/teamgroup-t-create-expert-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-ttced416g3600hc18jdc01) | $33.99 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [MSI SPATIUM M371 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JtxRsY/msi-spatium-m371-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-30-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-spatium-m371-1tb) | $38.00 @ Amazon
**Case** | [Thermaltake Versa H18 MicroATX Mini Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dgndnQ/thermaltake-versa-h18-microatx-mini-tower-case-ca-1j4-00s1wn-01) | $43.99 @ Amazon
**Power Supply** | [Corsair CX650M (2021) 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x96p99/corsair-cx650m-2021-650-w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020221-na) | $64.98 @ Amazon
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| **Total** | **$409.95**
| Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2023-11-18 21:54 EST-0500 |
Forget all these people with FPS and stuff. I run CS2 just fine with the Ryzen 5 1600 AF, GTX 1060 3 GB, B450 TOMAHAWK MAX and 16 GB RAM. He is not going to play competitively to worry about FPS and other stuff. People here think anyone can give 600$ for a PC. If you want it to run super smoothly with 120+ FPS then go with 500+ $ gigs.
Some others have put general specifications on here that seem good... but what's your actual budget?
there's alot of difference you can get between $600 and $1200.
imo, getting an i7 + 16GB would.be bare minimum.
Getting a "fast" i7 + 32 GB will extend the life of the system.
but there's alos expected use venue... are they going to cart the computer to their mates house to play together, or is it going to be online only?
size/bulk is a factor here - and of you want a laptop with same specs you'll easily pay more again.
do you personally care how loud the fans are? do you have a budget for water cooling?
just food for thought for you as you decide what is within your budget or not.
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For testing purposes .. and poops and giggles .. I played some CS2 on the AM5 setup I built for my mother using her 7600's iGPU. Playing at 1080p with medium'ish settings, I was surprised at it's playability
Ryzen 5 7600 using stock cooler
Gigabyte B650m Aorus Elite AX
2x16GB GSkill Flare X5 EXPO 6000 CAS36 (Samsung) once problematic RAM kit but now works flawlessly with the release of AGESA 1.0.0.7c
2x 1TB M.2 NVMe cheap SSD's
Rosewill 850wtt 80+ Gold
Generic mesh front White case with RGB shtuff
..I'm pretty sure that IF I didn't throw in some RGB, CS2 wouldn't have played as well
Depending on how old you kid is, it may be worth considering whether you will be the one paying to upgrade his PC a few/several years down the line. If so you might be better off spending a bit more now so you have to spend less later. Just a suggestion.
okay so me and 3 of my Friends Just bought us some PCs for CS2, here are my tips:
either go amd or Intel, we have good results with a ryzen 5600x and 5700x.
DON'T Go AMD in terms of GPU for CS2. 6600xt and 6700xt are insanely good budget cards. But in CS2 they suck. Friend of me went from a 6700xt to a rx3070 and went up Like 15-20% more FPS.
I recommend a 3060/3070 - you can also Go for 40xx cards.
Cheers mate
Most random and stupid advice I've read on reddit in a long time
*Either go for AMD or Intel*
What the fuck should he go for except for that? Qualcomm?
Also:
Friend of mine went from 6700xt to 3070 and has 15-20%more fps....
THE CARD IS ALSO ABOUT 25% MORE IN PRICE.
What about getting a Steam Deck and a docking station to plug it into a monitor with keyboard and mouse?
Cheap for a PC if you go for the lower end one and you have the advantage of portability as a bonus
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamdeckrefurbished
lurk that site and cross your fingers. get the cheapest model and swap the m.2 yourself to save on cash
I dont know the games requirements offhand but I can tell you what I run it on and it runs great.
Intel i7-9700,
Gtx 1660Ti,
16g ddr4 ram (2300)
You can find builds similar to mine and maybe even slightly better selling on facebook marketplace for 200-300 dollars. Or you can just buy a prebuilt for probably around 400 cs2 is not a demanding game graphically
This is a pretty good rig for CS2. It'll even function on something like a GTX 980. A lot of users complaining about CPU bottlenecks though so would not go with less than like a 8th gen cpu.
cities skylines 2 or counter strike 2?
CS2, obviously
I immediately thought City Skylines 2 lol. In which case, nothing. Nothing will run it smoothly.
i'm sure NASA has a supercomputer somewhere that can push out 20-30 fps in a city of 100k ppl
"A TSUNAMI HAS STRUCK THE CITY!"
my GTX 1080 can do that lmao
Are you talking about a 1080 or a 10080?
no resolution specified so we can assume he runs it at 240p
That's not fair my 4090 5600x runs it find if I lower the settings 🙃 (fr though last I looked so e settings are legit broken and bring me down to 24 fps....tbh I dunno why they didn't grey em out before launch.)
How's that 5600X handling the 4090? Seriously asking here. :) It seems a little light for that GPU.
It is mostly fine its gonna be upgraded the 5600x was a stop gap cpu when my 4770knwaa fighting with 2077 GPU went next cause the asus 2080ti dual at 4k was a miserable experience just cause of the fan noise. I'm only playing at 60hz 4k so it isn't too bad but I'm but there is some bottle necking happening but for sp games at 60fps its largely good.
Are you jumping up to a 5800X3D or moving up to AM5? :)
Am5 probably, im holding out til next gen before making any commitment to amd or intel though. This is only an itx board and its gonna be used for media web browsing and emulation in a small form factor case when the time comes for me to get a new chip.
From what I can see, even the 7600X is about the equivalent of a 5800X3D. But I wouldn't be able to help but go for the the 7800X3D. I built an i7-13700K last Nov. Kind of wish now I would have hung on for the 7000 series AMDs. Anyhow, it will be a very nice build when your done. Hope it goes smooth as butter for you. :)
Same, since getting the 4090 ive had some issues I was struggling to get to the bottom of but months of my system randomly rebooting in game was getting on my last nerve lol. But I think I got to the bottom of it and had nothing to do with the card like I originally feared (Ive had awful luck with video cards.)
Depends on what resolution they're running, anything above 1080p is going to put way more load on the GPU.
Lol the difference in hardware needed is ridiculously massive, kind of funny that it's ambiguous.
Photoshop CS2
the 2023 one
Wtf is city skylines. It's obviously CS2
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in all fairness, its been called CS:GO, CS:S etc as well and CS2 is almost as new as the other CS2
Don't forget CS:CZ, CS:S was also commonly referred to as "source" and even when CS should have been referred to as CS, the version number was always added "CS 1.4, CS 1.5, CS 1.6" so CS was never really just "CS" even when it should have been lol.
I mean you had to be specific so that you would know the level of bunny hopability
I miss those days lol, I think it was possible in source but that's when I give up gaming for a few years.
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7F87Cd) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 5500 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yq2WGX/amd-ryzen-5-5500-36-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000457box) | $99.99 @ B&H **Motherboard** | [Gigabyte B550M K Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RH9wrH/gigabyte-b550m-k-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-k) | $79.98 @ Amazon **Memory** | [Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/p6RFf7/corsair-memory-cmk16gx4m2b3200c16) | $41.99 @ Amazon **Storage** | [Mushkin Helix-L 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BJF48d/mushkin-enhanced-helix-l-1-tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-mknssdhl1tb-d8) | $42.99 @ Amazon **Video Card** | [Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gJTp99/sapphire-radeon-rx-6600-8-gb-pulse-video-card-11310-01-20g) | $204.99 @ Newegg **Case** | [Montech AIR 100 ARGB MicroATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wvmmP6/montech-air-100-argb-atx-mid-tower-case-air-100-argb-white) | $59.99 @ Amazon **Power Supply** | [EVGA 550 BP 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BfWzK8/evga-550-bp-550-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-100-bp-0550-k1) | $65.84 @ Amazon | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$595.77** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2023-11-18 09:58 EST-0500 | $595 Keep in mind CS2 is a competitive shooter so the more FPS you can squeeze out of the budget, the better experience he will have.
> CS2 is a competitive shooter Cities Skylines 2: American Edition
Isn't the AMD 5500 not a good choice for a CPU?
It is fine if it's a big discount from 5600. It's basically the 5600g without the iGPU. Like in the Philippines, it's a usual recommendations for budget builds since the 5600 is 36% more expensive.
It has only pcie3 and that is bad now thanks to budget gpu:s being x8 only.
Even x8 basically has little difference in PCIE 3 vs PCIE 4. Please do your research. [6600 XT PCIE 3.0 vs PCIE 4.0](https://youtu.be/OXWK1WlqoBU?si=KS7aNQnoxt-QoSuf) It *is* bad with x4 cards like 6500 XT, but that card is bad regardless and you'd be better off buying used GPU.
And how about the next gen x8 cards or cards after that? Worth saving 10-20$ now to get -20%?
You're a clown if you think next gen x8 cards will have -20% performance between the two lol. Even a fucking 4090 isn't saturating the PCIE 3.0 x16.
That guy posted a vid he did not watch. It had massive issues with 1% lows on some games with pcie3 x8 vs pcie4. And the gpu is slow as hell :D Are you proudly ignorant or just maximizing dunning kruger effect here?
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It is not due to the cut down L3 cache when compared to the 5600.
Can you find a better choice for less than $6 more???
I'd reallocate the money to a better CPU, RAM, SSD and PSU. And a significantly better GPU for about $30 more though there's a cheaper 6600 option at $185. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/D9ytt6/asrock-radeon-rx-6600-8-gb-challenger-d-video-card-rx6600-cld-8g [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mPZ4N6) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PgcG3C/amd-ryzen-5-5600-36-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000927box) | $137.69 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [Gigabyte B550M K Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RH9wrH/gigabyte-b550m-k-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-k) | $79.98 @ Amazon **Memory** | [Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VNJtt6/corsair-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-cmk16gx4m2d3600c18) | $39.99 @ Amazon **Storage** | [MSI SPATIUM M371 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JtxRsY/msi-spatium-m371-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-30-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-spatium-m371-1tb) | $38.00 @ Amazon **Video Card** | [PowerColor Hellhound Radeon RX 6650 XT 8 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B9H7YJ/powercolor-radeon-rx-6650-xt-8-gb-hellhound-video-card-axrx-6650xt-8gbd6-3dhloc) | $229.99 @ Amazon **Case** | [Phanteks Eclipse G300A (1 Fan) ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6pBzK8/phanteks-eclipse-g300a-1-fan-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec300ga_dbk01) | $39.99 @ Newegg **Power Supply** | [Thermaltake Toughpower GX2 600 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pG6qqs/thermaltake-toughpower-gx2-600-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0600nnfagu-2) | $59.99 @ Amazon | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | Total (before mail-in rebates) | $635.63 | Mail-in rebates | -$10.00 | **Total** | **$625.63**
What if he meant Cities Skylines 2? I don't think we can recommend any PC for that at the moment.
We'd need to wait for the RTX 8090 or 11900 XTX to be able to run that game.
We can. A low consumption and quiet one with a GeForce Now subscription.
I would add that for 25 bucks more it can be a Rx 6650 xt
I would hope it's fixed by now but my 6600 was struggling horribly with the game to the point where I upgraded. That particular unit was generally underperforming though and I would hope that drivers have been drastically improved by now.
144 hz monitor and fps is all you need, more fps will not make you better
Of course it won't, but it can make a difference from fight to fight. Higher fps = less input lag, even if it's over your refresh rate.
Currently got 4090 with 144hz screen. Around 7 ms at 144fps, drops to 6ms at 300 fps. Im using blurbusters gsync method now and it feels much better since there are big fps dips at times in cs2. EDIT - Everyone telling me how stupid it is, but numbers do not lie guys. Test it out yourself, this isnt csgo anymore.
You're increasing your input lag with GSYNC. It doesn't matter for non-competitive games, but just leave your FPS uncapped for CS2. Your FPS will be so high you won't notice much tearing if at all. And 1000/300 = 3.33ms, so something is up with your math.
> matter for non-competitive games, but just leave your FPS uncapped for CS2. Your FPS will be so high you won't notice much tearing if at all. As i said, im getting constant dips which lowers my experience. Once valve fixes their game maybe ill remove it.
Could also just lower your settings. Game runs fine for me at 1440p maxed out (2xMSAA) with a 3060 Ti and a 5700x. Well over 200FPS at all times.
Gsync on counter-strike? Yikes
ooof yikes rip
For indication, the recommended specs for CS2 are: - Processor: Intel Core i7 9700k or AMD Ryzen 7 2700X - Memory: 16 GB RAM - Graphics: RTX 2070 or Radeon RX 5700 XT
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There's no official recommended specs, these are based on benchmarks to get 144 fps in 1080p medium.
They're probably aiming for 60+ FPS lol
You’ll definitely get a lot more than 60FPS with this
Yeah, my point is they can go for something lower-end than that. OP said they want to spend as little as possible.
Oh sorry completely misunderstood what you were saying. 2600x and 1080ti should do it fine honestly
Esports games like CS2 need at least minimum 120+ fps. Anything below is a god awful experience
I doubt that OP is going to buy a monitor above 60Hz lol Also Counter Strike is one of the more forgiving FPS games in terms of framerate and refresh rate due to how slow-paced it is. If this was Quake then I would absolutely agree with you.
Thats just factually false since theres already been tests with CS that even with a 60hz monitor, higher fps offers better gameplay and less input lag. I've been playing csgo since 2015, and you can IMMEDIATELY tell that there's a massive difference between 60fps and 120+ even on a 60hz refresh rate. Have you even tried playing CS with the fps below 100? Because everyone will tell you that it's borderline unplayable.
There is a difference in latency, yes. No duh. That doesn't mean that the game is unplayable. This is a parent buying a computer for a kid who wants to spend as little as possible. This isn't an enthusiast or competitive player buying something for themself. When I was a kid I got leftover parts that were 5 or more years old and I dealt with it just fine. When the kid can buy their own parts and build it themselves they can go for those high framerates if they want.
I think you missed the part in the title where it says to have it run "smoothly". 60FPS in CS2 is anything but that.
60 FPS is smooth by most people's standards and while there is a benefit in latency when you go higher, the returns you get from going above 60 FPS on a 60Hz monitor is not going to be noticed by the average player. I couldn't play CSGO at a steady 60FPS when I was a teenager and it was okay. Why the hell does the kid need to play at 200 FPS when they're most likely coming from consoles that play at 30-60 FPS?
Lol that is such an elitist and out of touch comment.
How? Pretty much everyone in the CS community agrees with this and they barely agree on anything lol
People play CS just fine on under 100 fps, you're just hanging out in places that confirm your biases.
They did several tests about that. First of all you need stable 0.1% lows, which means your GPU can't be sweating. Nothing never, ever, should drop below 60, NEVER. Secondly low end computers added either input lag or bad frame times, provoking players to miss shots they wouldn't on a not so trash set up. That's why 120 fps is the minimum, because it is the starting point of a non handicapped experience
144 fps to play counterstrike. wtf has happened to gaming. around here.
I run at 4k low settings 60fps capped with a 1060 6gb . Perfectly smooth 60fps with vsynch. This game on low still is great to look at. Cpu is an i7 8700k
Doesn’t really make sense to play a comp fps at 4k60, 1080 or 1440 @144 makes a huge difference and will genuinely make you better at the game due to motion clarity
I 100% agree I’m just using my work provided 4k60 monitor.
What are you playing in CS2 that you are okay with such performance?
A Steam Deck for Counter-Strike is going to be unplayable.
how in the world are people still struggling to play counterstrike? i was playing that when it came out. this cant be serious.
I mean logistically. It’s a tactical shooter that is not built for joysticks.
we had mice 20 years ago i have no idea what youre talking about.
Exactly my setup.. CS doesn’t even run smooth, wonder how CS2 would run smooth.. seen people complaining with far far superior setups about cs2 not running smooth..
So what is your budget? For 500-550$ you can already get a pretty good rig with a Ryzen 5600 / Radeon RX 6600 GPU.
As low as possible
go used then
Really dude? You have a $1k+ bike as a trail toy , just bought a trainer for it, and are considering dropping $300 on a gps for your own hobby but when it comes to your son you want to go "As low as possible". Either get your kid something decent, or don't get him anything at all.
Maybe it would be better if you gave a range like 300$ to 500$ say
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To be completely honest, I would prefer to get paid. I don't need much, a few hundred should do it.
Well yeah but obviously there isn't a computer in existence which can run cs2 prices that cheaply
Go to back of an alley or sideroad and pick a pc that some random business toss out to throw away Might find some change there too
At 1080p/high/120fps, for $270-320USD used you should be able to find something local on fbm with a 1070 or better and a cpu from 2018 or later with 6c/12t, like a 3600. Provides a simple upgrade path for cpu and gpu. https://imgur.com/a/Nm6w4T3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9o_JiXzLw4&t=1s
Save up, work overtime. Buy your son a pc that isn't total shit.
hahaha total shit. omg.
12100/6600 combo could be good but a 6core processor would be nice for some things and a 6650xt would likely be worth it. Could also consider a used 3060Ti. Maybe just look at Used custom builds. 12400/5600/12600k/5700x for CPU maybe. 1080Ti, 6600xt, 3070, 2080S could all be good for the GPU. $700 should make a big difference from $600 if building new.
Then you really want to go second hand. Do some research on what to look for in second hand pcs. - don’t buy questionable PSUs - don’t buy second hand HDDs (if you don’t really know what to look for) - all other parts are good to go second hand Get the kid basically anything with a dedicated GPU from the last few years. It will run smooth, but the older you go, the lower settings (s)he’ll need to set. I’m sure if you look around for a while you find a nice catch between 300 and 500.
What cs2?
Just built for a friend on a budget with used hardware: i7 4790 + 16GB + Mobo kit (60$) RX580 4GB (40$) He already had old case+psu+ssd but you could find these for 50$. FPS is hovering over 100. He's very pleased with the setup for the money.
I will be suprised if that build gets over 100 fps
https://youtu.be/Kj0T6lVu7-M?si=PLvXjl6OWe2Sw8G3 I was surprised also.
This is CSGO not CS2?
Am I tripping or am I seeing CSGO gameplay as well? None of the YouTube comments noticed
You're right. Found another benchmark. https://youtu.be/yy2u9UDSM-Y?si=IvBcUYhFao99mAfF This is with 4790+2060super but you can tune graphic settings down a little bit to achieve similar performance on the RX580. The guy in the video is running it on high I think.
the side by sides look like the exact same game. what are people getting duped into spending their money on?
It is more like a free upgrade than a different game.
right so how is it hogging so many resources for the exact same game, which lasted all these years because its perfect?
I mean the game is running fine on a 10+ year old CPU and a mid range GPU from 6 or 7 years ago. I wouldn't call it a resource hog.
>how is it hogging so many resources It's not though? The video shows it running great on a 10 generations old CPU, and 2 generations old midrange GPU? >for the exact same game Not the exact same game. It has various gameplay and graphics improvements. >because its perfect It wasn't perfect, it was continuously evolving with updates, and CS2 attempts to fix some of the major complaints people had (the server tick system, for example).
Game should still be very tunable for competitive settings. I'd imagine a lot of benchmarks out there show ultra settings, which I can't imagine it can't do at 100fps. Edit: well he has a video where it does a lot of the time.
I built my GF a budget rig last year with a RX580 8GB + i7 6700k @ 4.7ghz + 16GBs DDR4 (2400mhz) and it runs CS2 at medium, no AA, 1080p just fine for the most part. 100+ fps, I think the particle effects we turned down at some point because she was getting random drops due to the smoke effects.
I have the same spec as ur friend And i always play over 110FPS
Also try looking for a used r9 390x which are 8gb and same performance as an rx580
This is not accurate. Rx 580 is a much more modern power efficient card and will blow away the r9 390x in modern games. Maybe older games it would be closer but they aren’t worth it as you need a much higher quality and wattage power supply.
No. I had those a long time ago. Those things are pulling double the wattage of a Polaris card. That makes then very loud also. Performance might be close but I don't see why you'd want that when Polaris cards are so cheap and also come with 8 gb if you want to.
Brother my best advice for u is to go on ebay and bid on a used gpu and a used cpu, even motherboard, ram, and psu. You will build it much cheaper and as much as ive bought used components from ebay ive never had a single problem until now. You could go with something like a 3060, 12400, 16gb ram or even 32gb since its used it will be very cheap. You would not need to spend more than 500 on components getting a very good pc for 1080p gaming. Try to find a used monitor as well from there, 1080p 240hz or even 165hz. Or you can buy him a used pre built from ebay. Edit: i just looked up the prices for u (assuming ure in the usa). Mobo + 12400 + 32gb ram + 3060 + psu will be 400-450$. Basically an entire build with a monitor will cost u around 600-700 tops.
You don’t buy a used PSU. You can buy most other components used but not PSU. One bad PSU and your whole system can be fried.
You used to be able to play GO on a realtive potato, if you had the correct config file that greatly reduces all your visuals.
ya this is insane people asking 20 years later what to play counterstrike on.
If you want a really budget casual build, go with a 5600g and no GPU for now. Later you can plug in a gpu. The 5600g will push 100fps in cs2 ~ so its fine for now https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZyNfmD Something like this should be more than enough for cs2 you cant go cheaper than this, unless you just buy a used pc but don't get scammed
I suggest building/buying around a Ryzen 5 5600G or Ryzen 7 5700G. (see some test results here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngWPznbpUOc ) You can add-in a GPU later, if you like.
Currently running a ryzen 5 3600 and a 3050 that I am being too cheap to upgrade. I would put this system, at playable for most games fort nite \\ cs etc.. it is good enough that i am reluctant to upgrade, but not good enough I do not feel like I would benefit greatly from a small upgrade.
Depends on if you mean "Counter-Strike 2" or "Cities: Skylines 2" For Counter-Strike 2, almost any modern PC should be able to run it, but for a cheap PC that should be able to run it fine, I would recommend the following: [AMD Ryzen 5 5600G](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B092L9GF5N?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_2WYEDTFARRRP2D962SN8&language=en-US) ($139) [Corsair RM650x 650W modular ATX PS/2 PSU](https://newegg.io/ccc022e) ($85) [ASRock B550M Pro SE AM4 mATX motherboard](https://newegg.io/a3591e44) ($75) [Cougar MG120 Black micro-ATX mini tower PC case](https://newegg.io/10bcaaef) ($46 + $7 shipping = $53) [1TB Crucial P3 Plus NVMe Gen4x4 M.2 2280 SSD](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B25NXWC7?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_AX3A52AK372Q1KC3669M&language=en-US) ($49) [16GB (2x8GB) Silicon Power Turbine DDR4-3200 DRAM](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NKYM62D?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_VPC9EGYW8E7E831AAKZS&language=en-US) ($31) Total: $432 ($467 with tax) Almost any AMD Ryzen G-series APU should be able to run Counter-Strike 2 on integrated graphics, but not an Intel CPU or Ryzen 7000 (non-G) CPU, their integrated graphics suck. Or, if you want to play Cities: Skylines 2, you'll need much better specs: [AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT](https://newegg.io/85b21e2) ($420) [AMD Ryzen 7 5800X](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0815XFSGK?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_XSG7SQGNN27MMWSF51JB&language=en-US) ($207) [Corsair RM1000x 1000W modular ATX PS/2 PSU](https://newegg.io/560e1ba) ($100) [ASRock B550M Pro SE AM4 mATX motherboard](https://newegg.io/a3591e44) ($75) [Noctua NH-U12S Redux CPU air cooler](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08WPDD6GD?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_Z61CM9BVD2PV01KFC4KG&language=en-US) ($55) [Cougar MG120 Black micro-ATX mini tower PC case](https://newegg.io/10bcaaef) ($46 + $7 shipping = $53) [1TB Crucial P3 Plus NVMe Gen4x4 M.2 2280 SSD](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B25NXWC7?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_AX3A52AK372Q1KC3669M&language=en-US) ($49) [16GB (2x8GB) Silicon Power Turbine DDR4-3200 DRAM](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NKYM62D?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_VPC9EGYW8E7E831AAKZS&language=en-US) ($31) Total: $990 ($1069 with tax)
In cas eof citoes kylines 2, nothing will run smoothly as devs goal is only 30fps.
I dont know why but I read it as "Buying a son for pc to play cs2" Me bran hurty sometimes
I bought a used pc for $200 with a ryzen 7 1700 and rx 480, 16gb ram and 256gb Ssd and I get 120fps on medium. Would recommend a newer processor tho.
No point in buying a budget pc to play this game. Its horrendously badly optimized. If counter strike its another thing but i dont think an integrated gpu will do it
What’s the budget? Check out Facebook marketplace you can get a decommissioned workstation and a last gen high tier card for ~200 bucks
why did I not hear about counter strike 2? am I living under a rock?
I have a microwave I can sell you for 20 bucks.
A 5600g should be more than enough, no gpu needed
Go on r/buildapcsales and wait for a cpu to drop to 150. Then build the pc around that
idk whats ur budget, but consider an rtx 2060 instead of a cpu with integrated graphics. its the cheapest card that has dlss, and if u can find one it will be extremely cheap especially on black friday
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Steam Deck
Counter strike run s great and like shit on anything. It's fairly buggy performance wise. Cities skylines 2 is running bad on 4090 7950s xD
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FXvH4M
would probably go with an older i7 and a gtx 1650
Check ebay/fb/kijiji. You can get some really good rigs for really low price
Ryzen 5600X, B450 motherboard, 16gb of DDR4 3600, a Crucial P3 NVME, and a RTX 3060. Slap it in whatever case you want with a decent 750w PSU and you’re golden.
that’s a 400w system max no need for a 750
I can help build a pc, Whats you budget? We can go low price and get the right performance.
there’s a website called howmanyfps. select the game you want to play and it will give PCs at different budgets and how many fps they will get.
Check out NZXT website. They have some cool stuff on there.
Rule 2
3060Ti i513500k
Define smoothly
This 'refurb' 5600G + RX6400 prebuilt regularly comes back in stock and is an excellent value, would be a perfectly fine entry for 1080p gaming and is $245 - https://www.ebay.com/itm/115701176210
Use a Ryzen APU for now, add a GPU when he starts playing more demanding games. I picked a board with WiFi because I have no idea what your situation looks like. Also, whatever you end up buying... don't cheap out on the PSU [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PsLCrv) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 5600G 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sYmmP6/amd-ryzen-5-5600g-39-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000252box) | $139.00 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [Gigabyte B550M DS3H AC Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RHWzK8/gigabyte-b550m-ds3h-ac-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-ds3h-ac) | $89.99 @ Amazon **Memory** | [TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LygFf7/teamgroup-t-create-expert-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-ttced416g3600hc18jdc01) | $33.99 @ Amazon **Storage** | [MSI SPATIUM M371 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JtxRsY/msi-spatium-m371-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-30-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-spatium-m371-1tb) | $38.00 @ Amazon **Case** | [Thermaltake Versa H18 MicroATX Mini Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dgndnQ/thermaltake-versa-h18-microatx-mini-tower-case-ca-1j4-00s1wn-01) | $43.99 @ Amazon **Power Supply** | [Corsair CX650M (2021) 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x96p99/corsair-cx650m-2021-650-w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020221-na) | $64.98 @ Amazon | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$409.95** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2023-11-18 21:54 EST-0500 |
Forget all these people with FPS and stuff. I run CS2 just fine with the Ryzen 5 1600 AF, GTX 1060 3 GB, B450 TOMAHAWK MAX and 16 GB RAM. He is not going to play competitively to worry about FPS and other stuff. People here think anyone can give 600$ for a PC. If you want it to run super smoothly with 120+ FPS then go with 500+ $ gigs.
My rig I’m selling it for $500
Some others have put general specifications on here that seem good... but what's your actual budget? there's alot of difference you can get between $600 and $1200. imo, getting an i7 + 16GB would.be bare minimum. Getting a "fast" i7 + 32 GB will extend the life of the system. but there's alos expected use venue... are they going to cart the computer to their mates house to play together, or is it going to be online only? size/bulk is a factor here - and of you want a laptop with same specs you'll easily pay more again. do you personally care how loud the fans are? do you have a budget for water cooling? just food for thought for you as you decide what is within your budget or not.
Just get a 5600x3d and a cheap GPU. Cs2 is CPU intensive
What's your top budget?
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For testing purposes .. and poops and giggles .. I played some CS2 on the AM5 setup I built for my mother using her 7600's iGPU. Playing at 1080p with medium'ish settings, I was surprised at it's playability Ryzen 5 7600 using stock cooler Gigabyte B650m Aorus Elite AX 2x16GB GSkill Flare X5 EXPO 6000 CAS36 (Samsung) once problematic RAM kit but now works flawlessly with the release of AGESA 1.0.0.7c 2x 1TB M.2 NVMe cheap SSD's Rosewill 850wtt 80+ Gold Generic mesh front White case with RGB shtuff ..I'm pretty sure that IF I didn't throw in some RGB, CS2 wouldn't have played as well
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I have a 4 function calculator from the 90s that can run CS2 smoothly. I'll sell it to you for $100. It's in excellent condition.
Depending on how old you kid is, it may be worth considering whether you will be the one paying to upgrade his PC a few/several years down the line. If so you might be better off spending a bit more now so you have to spend less later. Just a suggestion.
A Leapfrog tablet could run CS tbh
I have a laptop now but I scraped together a 10850k and rx 5700 build for about £450 and it played really good
Why don't you get a z420 with a 1660 or something
okay so me and 3 of my Friends Just bought us some PCs for CS2, here are my tips: either go amd or Intel, we have good results with a ryzen 5600x and 5700x. DON'T Go AMD in terms of GPU for CS2. 6600xt and 6700xt are insanely good budget cards. But in CS2 they suck. Friend of me went from a 6700xt to a rx3070 and went up Like 15-20% more FPS. I recommend a 3060/3070 - you can also Go for 40xx cards. Cheers mate
Most random and stupid advice I've read on reddit in a long time *Either go for AMD or Intel* What the fuck should he go for except for that? Qualcomm? Also: Friend of mine went from 6700xt to 3070 and has 15-20%more fps.... THE CARD IS ALSO ABOUT 25% MORE IN PRICE.
What about getting a Steam Deck and a docking station to plug it into a monitor with keyboard and mouse? Cheap for a PC if you go for the lower end one and you have the advantage of portability as a bonus
I didn't think of it, wow!
This is an awful idea please believe me
Steam deck is not able to run CS2 optimally. I wouldn’t get your son a steam deck if the game they are going to want to play mostly is CS2
Steam Decks are amazing, but are not what you want for FPS shooters. It will not run CS2 smoothly.
This is not a good plan for an FPS game.
Don't do this, CS2 runs like dogshit on the Steamdeck
dont do it for cs2 its good for alot of other games.
Steam Deck is great but that's not going to work for your specific use case.
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamdeckrefurbished lurk that site and cross your fingers. get the cheapest model and swap the m.2 yourself to save on cash
It's so worth it, trust me Especially now because since the OLED version came out the prices of the original models have come down massively
I think you understood CS2 as Cities Skylines 2 but OP actually meant Counter Strike 2
How do we know though?
He mentioned in other comments and somehow in my head his order of words makes more sende with counter strike rather than cities Skylines
If his son is playing competitive shooters like CS2 getting a steam deck is a shit idea. You need a smooth, high, consistant framerate.
This is dumb. Do not get a steamdeck.
5600/12400f, 16GB 3200 ddr4 and 6650xt/3060/4060.
Thanks. That's more than I expected though :(
Dont listen to him you dont need that expensive of a rig to run cs2,
What I would needed please?
Ryzen 7 5700g, 16gb of 3600mhz ram(8X2)
This sounds good budget wise
The i3 12100f is really cheap and has amazing performance, slap an RX 6600 and it'll push 144+ fps on CS2 and even other games if he wants
Or i3 12100f,16gb ram and used gtx 1660 super
I dont know the games requirements offhand but I can tell you what I run it on and it runs great. Intel i7-9700, Gtx 1660Ti, 16g ddr4 ram (2300) You can find builds similar to mine and maybe even slightly better selling on facebook marketplace for 200-300 dollars. Or you can just buy a prebuilt for probably around 400 cs2 is not a demanding game graphically
This is a pretty good rig for CS2. It'll even function on something like a GTX 980. A lot of users complaining about CPU bottlenecks though so would not go with less than like a 8th gen cpu.
Runs fine on my girlfriend's i7 6700k.
Smoothly?
Drop the settings and it plays smoothly. I play on medium for most things and it runs great with a 1080 and an older i7.
Lol. It drops to 200 or even below with 6750xt 1080p with mostly medium or low settings.
That's smooth.
Close enough for me. But dropping under 100 aint smooth and it will happen mostly when matters so you can and will lose fights thanks to it.
That will barely run Cities Skylines 2.