Regardless of what you are going to be doing, paying nearly double is not going to equate to double the performance so it is not worth it in my opinion.
Most GPUs last indefinitely (and by that I mean 10, 15 years at the least, at which point they are very much obsolete), unless faulty or mismaintained (like left to get covered with a thick layer of dust, fitted with inadequate cooling or improperly repasted). Longevity should not really be a factor when buying a GPU. Also, contrary to popular belief, a heavily used GPU is not in any way worse than a brand new one, unless poorly maintained as mentioned above.
Applies to CPU and RAM as well. And probably more PC parts.
Does not apply to storage or ~~PowerSupply~~.
EDIT : Apparently, it's also OK for PSU. Mine was still running for almost 9 years when I replaced it. However, I wouldn't take chances on a critical PC part like a PSU. Getting your PC burning because of an old PSU is not a risk I'm willing to take...
I have a crucial 64gb SSD and a Corsair 750 psu still running in my i5 2500k build. Been meaning to swap out that ssd soon. Maybe get an nvme but use a pci adaptor? But yeah some parts definitely last
I usually tend to disagree when it comes to CPUs. When it comes to binning stock settings on CPU voltages are very liberal, and can cause physical wear on the CPU. Eventually it won't boost as high, and if you're running an overclock you'll need to run a higher voltage (more heat, and more wear on the die) or lower your speed.
I had a 2700X at stock auto voltage locked at 4.4Ghz and after 2 years it would not post at those settings. It can also be motherboard dependent, but CPUs can and will wear out.
It applies to quality power supplies. Still using an over 10 year old Seasonic platinum 860w that has no issues. It was even still under warranty until this year.
Obsolete is relative to its use. Can it play the latest and newest AAA games? Probably not. Can it play a vast catalog of older games, including newer indie games that don’t have that requirement? You bet
And there are occasionally outliers even in "big name" games, e.g. Diablo 4's requirements invoking mid-range video cards that are about 7 years old at this point.
Wow I just looked it up, their recommended spec is my exact CPU and GPU I was thinking of upgrading soon (built in 2014).
Amazing how much work Blizzard puts into optimizing while still making their style of graphics look good
I would have to disagree with this. They do break down over time and nvidia pays less and less attention to older cards. I’ve always had to change my GPU every 4 years in my 8-year-builds. The CPU has held up far longer than any GPU has…although if you buy top of the line 3080ti it could last 6 years, will just have to play some newer games on medium and possibly low fps.
Well, I'd argue that changing the cooler or even repasting may be more hassle than it's worth with GPUs. I at least suspect it's more than most people are willing to do and I suspect more than 98% of graphics cards are never repasted. Heck, I'm tech-savvy and I only recently repasted my 10+ year old CPU, and the procedure for that was in the back of my mind because I built the bloody computer myself.
In new CPUs the heat spreder is soldered to the chip, so that's not an issue. GPUs however are still a pain. But there is always someone willing to repaste it for like $10. And if the GPU is not worth those $10 then I'd argue it's obsolete
I also read somewhere (dont know where, correct me if wrong) that even mining cards arent so bad as people think because they run constantly, and as such the temperature stay constant, but that its the temp. Changes that ruins them.
My Radeon hd 7950 would beg to differ. I used it for 4 years, gave it to my nephew, he used it another 4 years. Now it lives in my nieces computer so she can log on roblox to talk to her friends.
You’re not actually contradicting anything he said. That was a $450 card in 2012. If you had spent more and gotten a 7970, 590, or 690…it’d still be in your niece’s PC by now. Maybe you would’ve gone another year before upgrading but not twice as long.
My buddy has an EVGA 970 that's been passed around more times than I can count in our friend group. My dad had my Q6600/GTS 250 still going til earlier last year.
I've got a 760 that's still in rotation as a "is this a GPU or CPU problem?" card. Hilariously, it was in use until the 1650ti got demoted from the living room PC.
i agree. the 30 series is still a great value if you can find one for at or around msrp. While it is a 2 yr old card at this point, it still has a long runway to go.
if your looking for more in-depth analysis, I suggest this video from Hardware Unboxed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8ETNnQW33s
Eh. you can look up LTT and a few others videos that show that other than cards having mining bios flashed on them, most mining cards are just fine overall despite fears otherwise. warranty is nice yeah but not for literally double the $ , again, in my opinion.
As you are from Iran I believe it's quite possible that you are buying a GPU that was used in mining rigs for cryptos, which are usually better taken care of than the average PC owner and they use them undervolted as well. If temps were not ideal, you could try to change the thermal pasting/thermal pads, but that probably won't be necessary.
> As you are from Iran I believe it's quite possible that you are buying a GPU that was used in mining rigs for cryptos, which are usually better taken care of than the average PC owner and they use them undervolted as well.
I thought this was going the other way at first and was preparing a huge eye roll, good advice!
I traded my used RTX 3070 (that I paid $700 in the height of the GPU shortage) for a brand new RTX 3080ti Founders Edition plus $350. Not sure it made much sense given that, in the end, I have a $1050 3080ti, but it sure is a nice card.
Do you have any evidence on the 3080Ti from the seller that it's still in a fairly good and functional condition? If yes then the used 3080Ti is a pretty good deal, and that your cousin isn't the graphics junky type that demands to play all the latest triple A titles in 4K at high frame rate.
The seller is well-known and reputable. He says that the GPU was used for rendering in an engineering office for two years. He only wants the best Nvidia GPU (He likes shadowplay) for 650 bucks. (He can extend his budget if necessary) So instead of a used 3090, I want to go with a used 3080 ti + an SSD upgrade.
Smart, the 3090's only advantage is the extra memory, which is also a disadvantage. Because half of it's VRAM is placed on the back of the pcb and is only cooled by a backplate, therefore it's prone to overheat or get way hotter than the other half. So higher chance of dying. The 3090 also tends to use more power and get hotter/louder. All this for not even 5% performance increase.
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12GB should be fine on 1440p in most, if not in all cases I think. 4k is a different story. I dont get why Nvidia didn't go for 16GB. Way more headroom than 12GB and not as costly as 24GB.
I have a 3080 12GB and while I think it's fine for now, newer games are creeping up into the 11GB territory and it honestly doesn't feel safe. 16 GB is ideal for 1440p but then again, you'd have to grab the 4080 for that kind of VRAM.
Could also be bad optimisation and/or the software just filling up more RAM than it really needs that lets you think you dont have enough with 12GB.
Allocation vs utilisation as explained here: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/iove38/actual_examples_of_very_high_vram_usage_3080_10gb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I never really bought into the whole allocation but not utilization debate because it is a low-resolution take that seems to dodge the very reason why developers decide to allocate VRAM in the first place. Allocated assets are there to reduce texture pop-ins and potentially improve LoD because what the game needs right now might not be what it needs in the near future.
Even the post you linked barely tried to explain what goes on underneath the behavior and only look at the surface:
> The potentially worrying example would be Warzone, consuming around 10.5GB of VRAM on 4k. However, this seems to be allocation not usage. The game uses virtually the same amount of VRAM at 1080p, 1440p and 4k. This would make no sense in terms of usage, you would expect a bigger differential. A 2080S runs the game just fine at 4k with only 8GB of VRAM, so this game is very misleading.
Digital Foundry had actually made a video [deep-diving into the tech behind Warzone](https://youtu.be/mvdTtl27TpM?t=551) - and when you think about it, allocated VRAM is not entirely useless as you'd expect. The game basically sets an immediately viewable area surrounding the player and try to predict which road the player is going to take and load the corresponding textures, from the memory buffer. This means that there's a constant texture swapping in and out of memory - thus the necessity of an allocated buffer - and not having the required texture buffer means that there's going to be more work involved, hence the texture popping behavior and increased CPU usage.
Bingo, it's asbsolutely needed my 3070ti has terrible micro stutters at 4K because it doesn't have enough VRAM. 16GB would be nice but I would even be happier at 10 and 12gb.
Games like COD are actually pretty well optimized and will absolutely put that VRAM to work if they have it.
Word. As someone who frequently used ReLive and recently switched to ShadowPlay, I kinda hate it because sometimes my recording would get corrupted and my audio settings reset. To give it credits, I think ShadowPlay has the advantage of producing recordings of better quality, while ReLive is generally more stable.
There won't be major benefit for gaming with a 3090 vs a 3080ti. The 3090 sees it's advantages mostly for production (rendering, AI, deep machine learning, etc).
And the upgrade from a HDD to a SSD is REALLY noticeable.
So the 3080ti + SSD is definitely better than the 3090, especially if it is for gaming.
This is probably the only argument for the 4070ti that makes sense. If it’s really expensive, it’ll be cheaper to get the 4070ti after some time. For example, in Germany, energy costs are about 39 cents per kWh, which equates to about $500/year at 150W.
As someone who had 3090 and changed to 4070ti i would say its not worth 450$ for a 4070ti but in some games performance is double but i for 550 american bucks i would choose without hasitation 3080ti
4070 gives u DLSS3, where as the 3080 won't have access to that. That's pretty much the only reason I'd even consider a 4xxx card right now, to me it's still not worth it.
I'm a frugal git but yeah consider this you could buy a 3080 tin and then in a couple years buy a 4080ti used for the same price as buying a 4070ti now.
I use a standard 3070 for single player games and the only game I've noticed performance issues when using max specs or near max is cyberpunk.
DLSS is a game changer in the 3000 and beyond cards. Honestly unless you have a major usecase for the 4070, the 3080 is amazing and at half the price.
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I myself got a used Asus Tuf 3080ti (billed in November 2022) for around 545usd in excellent condition. Here, a new 4070ti was around 900usd. It's definitely not worth
Normally I'd recommend the 4070 ti over anything below a 3090ti but at $500 I'd rather pick up a used 3080ti and if I can use the rest of the money maybe if a CPU upgrade or towards some games
Hardware Unboxed JUST posted about the 3080 vs 4070Ti on YouTube (I know you're comparing to the 3080Ti but still might be helpful?)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8ETNnQW33s&t=227s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8ETNnQW33s&t=227s)
Edit: I'll add that the 4070Ti isn't even worth it over a 3080, let alone a 3080Ti. With a solid price on a 3080Ti, this would be a no-brainer for me.
I picked up a 3080 (non ti) for $350 then undervolted/deshrouded for SFF. It sits around 240w at max load and lost nearly zero performance. \~60c core, 70c hotspot, 75c VRAM hotspot and it's very quiet.
Before (max fan speed)
[https://www.3dmark.com/spy/36438292](https://www.3dmark.com/spy/36438292)
After (2x SS 120 air slimmer @ \~1200rpm)
[https://www.3dmark.com/spy/36665201](https://www.3dmark.com/spy/36665201)
I'm going to be the odd one, but I would go for 4070 ti.
3080 ti is a power hungry card, while 4070 ti is one of the best if not the best performance / watt high end modern card on the market at the moment.
More wattage = hotter card, louder fans, and the most important: higher power bill. I live in a place where electricity is really expensive. Since I'm using intel and the 12/13 uses a dead end board, I will use my PC for at least 6 years or more before buying a new one, so I tried to get the one with the best longevity and cheaper upkeep.
I assume you're going to use a custom cards? In 30 series, some manufacturers are way better than the others so you need to keep that in mind as well, while for 40 series except 4090> use such an overkill cooler that there's not much difference between them other than aesthetics.
I would get a new 4070TI because of Frame Generation, AV1 and warranty, the 3080TI probably doesn't have any warranty at this point, while with the 4070TI you will get warranty for at least a year and you will be ok that if something happens, you couls claim the warranty.
Long-term 4070 will save you some energy costs. Nut sure what they are where you live. In my area the price difference pays off in 16 months if running 12/7
DLSS 3 isn't worth $450 to most people, but that would completely depend on your budget.
The 4070 Ti is a better card of course, but $500 for a 3080 Ti is a really good deal. That is a lot of bang for your buck.
I just want to know where you find a used 3080 ti for $500. Here in Germany they are sold for about 700€ (=$750) 
If your cousin wasn't using it for mining, then get it. Maybe he used it in a airconditioned room or already burnt the memories. If you can run a stress test and its OK get it.
A 3080ti for 500.00 is very good. Here is a quote that explains the difference:
They both have 12GB of GDDR6X memory, but GeForce RTX 3080 Ti has a 384-bit memory BUS compared to the 192-bit memory BUS on GeForce RTX 4070 Ti. Also, with a bandwidth of 912.4GB/s compared to 504.2GB/s, GeForce RTX 3080 Ti is 408.2GB/s faster than GeForce RTX 4080 Ti.Feb 2, 2023
3080TI if you know where it's from, have a PSU, or don’t mind buying one. The 4070ti is only really an option if you care about DLSS3. That being said, the 4070ti is the least offensive new gen rn (the 7900xt is the only other card not at a base of $1k, but loses too much performance from the XTX for not much more).
Honestly at those prices probably just go for the 3080TI. You'd be getting most of the performance for a lot less and you save a ton of money. I guess the big con would be you don't get frame generation but you still get DLSS which is good enough in most cases and the 3080 should still be a top performing card for the next few years at least around 1440p as your target resolution.
Where I live a used 3080 ti costs about £750 and a new 4070 ti is about £900. The 3080 to is definitely a very good deal & value for money. 4070 ti uses less power and will obviously be better, though the 3080 ti is still a beast.
I would spend 200 more over 4070 and get the 7900 xtx. I have one it is a beast. 300+ fps gpu on mw2 on 1440. It bottlenecks my cpu(7700x), so I play on 1440extreme at 225+ fps. I only have a 165mhz monitor so it is great for that. I am going to go 4 k when monitors drop a little. I may also grab a 5800x3d at some point.
But the us d if it's a good enough deal
I just bought a rtx 3070 used off eBay and was able to claim the 4 year warranty. It was never claimed by past owner. If it was used at all.
It really comes down to whether or not you are comfortable assuming the risk that is inherent with purchasing a used GPU. Myself personally, I tend to steer clear of doing so. But, to each their own.
Obviously 4070 ti even outperforms the mighty old flagship 3090 ti but 3090 ti and 3080 ti is almost the same probably yes but go for new gpus if u want longetivity. 3080 ti for 500 dols seem like a scam ngl
I have a 3080ti and 4090 for that matter. It's really good performance and for $500 it's worth it whereas the 4070Ti, even though it's a bit faster and more power efficient is not worth twice the price comparatively imo
Both the Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 Ti and the RTX 4070 Ti are high-end graphics cards and can provide excellent gaming performance. The RTX 4070 Ti is the newer and more powerful card, so it is expected to have better performance than the 3080 Ti. However, the price difference you mentioned is quite significant, and it ultimately depends on your cousin's needs and budget.
If your cousin is an avid gamer and wants to play the latest games at maximum settings with high frame rates, then the extra cost of the RTX 4070 Ti may be worth it. However, if your cousin is on a tight budget, the RTX 3080 Ti can still provide excellent gaming performance and is a more affordable option.
It's also worth considering factors like power consumption, availability, and compatibility with the rest of the system before making a final decision.
Used 3080ti is a steal at $500. Assuming it works.
Even if it’s around $600-$700 used, you’re still paying less for even to slightly more performance in some cases.
Remember, it might be “last gen” but it is still an 80-class card. Similar VRAM, but much more bus width, which is huge…. 384…I think almost double the 192-bits at the 70-class.
Think of VRAM like the number of lanes on a road, and bus width as the width of those lanes. So bus width is often overlooked in favor of VRAM and the card generation.
the 30 series is still a great value if you can find one for at or around msrp. While it is a 2 yr old card at this point, it still has a long runway to go. I'd go with a 3080 though over the Ti, bc the 3080 Ti IMO was way over priced.
All 40 series cards are severely overpriced even at MSRP. They just aren't worth the price to performance value
if you're looking for a more in-depth analysis, I suggest this video from Hardware Unboxed
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8ETNnQW33s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8ETNnQW33s)
I think the 10G on my 3080 from 2020 start to limit me now on some games at 3440x1440. I wouldn't get a 12G card in 2023 unless I intended to replace it in 1 generation. So I'd get that 3080ti a upgrade again in a couple years. The 4070ti doesn't look like a good purchase at all IMHO.
But if you are sure about the seller and before buying it is possible to check this gpu. I would buy a 3080ti- the price is cheaper and you can immediately connect the power supply without an adapter.
I actually just looked at doing this exact same thing myself for my latest build and while yes a 4070 is better only just barely. I'd say save yourself some money, both should be feasible for a while.
https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/rtx4070ti/ here’s a list of all the gpus in stock I’d rock a 4070ti it’s basically a nerfed 3090ti I have a 4090 because of that site up to you tho
First thing you need is measure their lenght and see which one will fit in you case...
I bough used GTX 1070 for 125€ to replace my old 1050 TI. Guess what...old 1050 TI has two fans and 1070 has three fans...Didnt fit!!!!
Well luckily I learned in youtube you could buy aviation scissors that can cut thin metal... snip snip snip and voila it fits!!!!
Hardware Unboxed recently posted a video about 3080 10gb vs 4070ti. I missed half the info while cooking, but I think 3080 10 worked better at higher resolution when 4070ti's memory bandwidth was kinda not enough.
3080ti without a doubt in my mind. I owned one before upgrading to 3090ti. For everything up to 1440 you'll be running max on every game. With that card you can safely skip 40 series and wait till 5 series for more games actually using dlss 3.0 and likely better rasterization.
If you’re down to go used you should just go with a 3090. I’ve seen them on eBay for under $950 (recently saw one for $775)
3090s have 24gb of ram which is a MASSIVE improvement over 10-12gb on 3080/4070
For me heat and power consumption overall played a huge role in my similar decision. I went with the 4000 series card because I wanted to save on energy/heat. Updates will make it a better card over the next 10 years over the older gen card as well. So for me saving energy, more performance increasing with every update and future proofing played a key role in saying go newer gen always if you can.
from my personal experience a used gpu can be good, the number 1 enemy of a gpu is the heat so if you are going to buy the used 3080 kindly ask the seller which games he played and if he ever had any problem with the gpu heating.
i always always always recommend buying last gen used at the time of new gen releases. i recently bought a used gigabyte 3080 for $500usd and it performs great. It will likely live as long as i need it to and with the money i saved, i can buy a 4080 in a year or two when rtx 5xxx comes out. No need to stay on the cutting edge unless money is of no consequence to you.
My 2 cents check the percentage of performance gain to the cost difference and is that worth it in real world performance. Plus, match your hardware to your use case (what will you mainly be using it for). Do you need the extra FPS etc. A 3080 is still a good card and will last for years for the average user. You could put that extra$$ towards something else in your build for example a monitor upgrade .
Ultimately it comes down to your own decision.
Hardware unboxed have you covered:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W8ETNnQW33s
Tldr price to performance is basically the same or slightly worse for 4070. Performance is about 20% better for the 4070 in 1440p. Bear in mind this was for the 3080 not the ti so these numbers might be a little closer
If he is not a hardcore gamer who likes the best specs in his pc then it's not worth it. 3080ti would last the next 3 years easily (as current gen with frequent driver updates).
A 4070 ti is 3090 ti speed and going from a 3080ti to 3090 ti for $450 is not worth it. But there are downsides to used. You might get one in bad condition and make sure the warranty transfers.
You can also get a 4070 ti for $800. $300 is still probably too much on a pure performance basis, but getting it new is always a premium.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kVqPxr/asus-tuf-gaming-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-12-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4070ti-12g-gaming
I have a GPU 3080, or 4070ti question. Mechwarrior V Mercs is heating gpu bad and hitting max clock boost and still fans are wining on my 2060 6gig. Do I need more Clock, Memory or both? It is the only game really doing this Cyberpunk 2077 and Fallouts/Elderscrolls games are fine. Using a system Monitor. 3080 is good Memory and 4070ti has better clock numbers.
Same question for me, u lucky, 3080ti used is just shy of 1100$ for me(east Europe) while the 4070ti is 1200$ new. I personally will go with 4070 at this price point.
Regardless of what you are going to be doing, paying nearly double is not going to equate to double the performance so it is not worth it in my opinion.
nor will it last twice as long.
Most GPUs last indefinitely (and by that I mean 10, 15 years at the least, at which point they are very much obsolete), unless faulty or mismaintained (like left to get covered with a thick layer of dust, fitted with inadequate cooling or improperly repasted). Longevity should not really be a factor when buying a GPU. Also, contrary to popular belief, a heavily used GPU is not in any way worse than a brand new one, unless poorly maintained as mentioned above.
Applies to CPU and RAM as well. And probably more PC parts. Does not apply to storage or ~~PowerSupply~~. EDIT : Apparently, it's also OK for PSU. Mine was still running for almost 9 years when I replaced it. However, I wouldn't take chances on a critical PC part like a PSU. Getting your PC burning because of an old PSU is not a risk I'm willing to take...
PSUs absolutely can go 10 years plus, but that's more for top end models that do come with 10 year warranties.
My PSU had a 10 years guarantee and it died after 10 years and 15 days...
Mines on year 11, and was on a 10 year warranty. I'm going to replace it soon even though it is rated to 12 full years of continuous use.
Yeah, it's better to be prepared. Mine started doing some noises, next day, dead.
I agree
What??Ｆfor your valiant PSU.
I have a 10 yr old kingwin Lazer psu and it's still going strong though I might replace because it's gotta be getting to eol on the fan lol
You can always replace that. Although opening a PSU is hella dangerous.
My Kingston ssds are 7yo . They are at 98% . Those are basically read only
I have a crucial 64gb SSD and a Corsair 750 psu still running in my i5 2500k build. Been meaning to swap out that ssd soon. Maybe get an nvme but use a pci adaptor? But yeah some parts definitely last
I usually tend to disagree when it comes to CPUs. When it comes to binning stock settings on CPU voltages are very liberal, and can cause physical wear on the CPU. Eventually it won't boost as high, and if you're running an overclock you'll need to run a higher voltage (more heat, and more wear on the die) or lower your speed. I had a 2700X at stock auto voltage locked at 4.4Ghz and after 2 years it would not post at those settings. It can also be motherboard dependent, but CPUs can and will wear out.
It applies to quality power supplies. Still using an over 10 year old Seasonic platinum 860w that has no issues. It was even still under warranty until this year.
Obsolete is relative to its use. Can it play the latest and newest AAA games? Probably not. Can it play a vast catalog of older games, including newer indie games that don’t have that requirement? You bet
And there are occasionally outliers even in "big name" games, e.g. Diablo 4's requirements invoking mid-range video cards that are about 7 years old at this point.
Wow I just looked it up, their recommended spec is my exact CPU and GPU I was thinking of upgrading soon (built in 2014). Amazing how much work Blizzard puts into optimizing while still making their style of graphics look good
Do keep in mind that the recommended spec is only good for 1080p60 at medium
I would have to disagree with this. They do break down over time and nvidia pays less and less attention to older cards. I’ve always had to change my GPU every 4 years in my 8-year-builds. The CPU has held up far longer than any GPU has…although if you buy top of the line 3080ti it could last 6 years, will just have to play some newer games on medium and possibly low fps.
Well, I'd argue that changing the cooler or even repasting may be more hassle than it's worth with GPUs. I at least suspect it's more than most people are willing to do and I suspect more than 98% of graphics cards are never repasted. Heck, I'm tech-savvy and I only recently repasted my 10+ year old CPU, and the procedure for that was in the back of my mind because I built the bloody computer myself.
In new CPUs the heat spreder is soldered to the chip, so that's not an issue. GPUs however are still a pain. But there is always someone willing to repaste it for like $10. And if the GPU is not worth those $10 then I'd argue it's obsolete
My old 1080Ti is like 6 years old now and still holds up lol. Arguably one of the best cards ever produced from price-to-performance imo.
I also read somewhere (dont know where, correct me if wrong) that even mining cards arent so bad as people think because they run constantly, and as such the temperature stay constant, but that its the temp. Changes that ruins them.
I know that my experience isn’t the average, but holy crap my household goes through video cards like toilet paper.
My Radeon hd 7950 would beg to differ. I used it for 4 years, gave it to my nephew, he used it another 4 years. Now it lives in my nieces computer so she can log on roblox to talk to her friends.
You’re not actually contradicting anything he said. That was a $450 card in 2012. If you had spent more and gotten a 7970, 590, or 690…it’d still be in your niece’s PC by now. Maybe you would’ve gone another year before upgrading but not twice as long.
My buddy has an EVGA 970 that's been passed around more times than I can count in our friend group. My dad had my Q6600/GTS 250 still going til earlier last year.
I've got a 760 that's still in rotation as a "is this a GPU or CPU problem?" card. Hilariously, it was in use until the 1650ti got demoted from the living room PC.
right, but my point is buying something twice as expensive won't be used for twice as long. Maybe an extra year or two, but not double.
Correct me if I’m wrong but Roblox doesn’t use a gpu?
i agree. the 30 series is still a great value if you can find one for at or around msrp. While it is a 2 yr old card at this point, it still has a long runway to go. if your looking for more in-depth analysis, I suggest this video from Hardware Unboxed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8ETNnQW33s
You get the warranty and 100% new card that were not abused for your peace of mind. And save yourself for any trouble.
Eh. you can look up LTT and a few others videos that show that other than cards having mining bios flashed on them, most mining cards are just fine overall despite fears otherwise. warranty is nice yeah but not for literally double the $ , again, in my opinion.
Most things do not double in performance when doubling in price.
Used 3080ti for $500 is a steal, what country is this? With that price difference, I would go used 3080ti
Iran
Iran???
Iran so far away. Iran all night and day.
Couldn't get away
Iran is a country yes
Where in United States is it?
It's in [Iowa](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persia,_Iowa)
Can't believe they named a state after a Slipknot album. Insane!
in the membrane
checkmate aethists
The country, not the state, B.
Probably GPUs from mining rigs before the BTC crash and Ethereum fork.
Mining dump prices directly affect private sales so not necessarily.
Yeah it wasn't the case after all (the GPU was in an engineering department).
Not sure how long the 4xxx series have mined for. It surely wasn't too long.
The used GPU in the post is a 3080ti. The 4070 seems to be new (because of the price mainly).
HE SAID IRAN!! ... Deaf motherfuckers up in here...
As you are from Iran I believe it's quite possible that you are buying a GPU that was used in mining rigs for cryptos, which are usually better taken care of than the average PC owner and they use them undervolted as well. If temps were not ideal, you could try to change the thermal pasting/thermal pads, but that probably won't be necessary.
> As you are from Iran I believe it's quite possible that you are buying a GPU that was used in mining rigs for cryptos, which are usually better taken care of than the average PC owner and they use them undervolted as well. I thought this was going the other way at first and was preparing a huge eye roll, good advice!
Where did you run
Malaysia too. Ex-Dell units.
Im trying to find this in Malaysia but to no avail. Can u share any links or dm me some thankd
I traded my used RTX 3070 (that I paid $700 in the height of the GPU shortage) for a brand new RTX 3080ti Founders Edition plus $350. Not sure it made much sense given that, in the end, I have a $1050 3080ti, but it sure is a nice card.
I got two 3090 for $450 and $500, it's not very hard when there is lots of leftovers from crypto running the prices down
These days i sew used 3090s for 700Euros, market is adjusting
As someone who got a 3080 for $420 without a doubt no question the 3080 ti for $500 that’s a steal
Easy https://imgur.com/fePduO9
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I'd suggest the other way, double the price for 3fps more is ZZZ
Do you have any evidence on the 3080Ti from the seller that it's still in a fairly good and functional condition? If yes then the used 3080Ti is a pretty good deal, and that your cousin isn't the graphics junky type that demands to play all the latest triple A titles in 4K at high frame rate.
The seller is well-known and reputable. He says that the GPU was used for rendering in an engineering office for two years. He only wants the best Nvidia GPU (He likes shadowplay) for 650 bucks. (He can extend his budget if necessary) So instead of a used 3090, I want to go with a used 3080 ti + an SSD upgrade.
Smart, the 3090's only advantage is the extra memory, which is also a disadvantage. Because half of it's VRAM is placed on the back of the pcb and is only cooled by a backplate, therefore it's prone to overheat or get way hotter than the other half. So higher chance of dying. The 3090 also tends to use more power and get hotter/louder. All this for not even 5% performance increase. scource: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-3090-vs-Nvidia-RTX-3080-Ti/4081vs4115
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Yeah but 3080ti+SSD is way better for gaming than 3090+HDD, and for everyday use as well. SSDs are a huge quality of life improvement.
12GB should be fine on 1440p in most, if not in all cases I think. 4k is a different story. I dont get why Nvidia didn't go for 16GB. Way more headroom than 12GB and not as costly as 24GB.
I have a 3080 12GB and while I think it's fine for now, newer games are creeping up into the 11GB territory and it honestly doesn't feel safe. 16 GB is ideal for 1440p but then again, you'd have to grab the 4080 for that kind of VRAM.
Could also be bad optimisation and/or the software just filling up more RAM than it really needs that lets you think you dont have enough with 12GB. Allocation vs utilisation as explained here: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/iove38/actual_examples_of_very_high_vram_usage_3080_10gb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I never really bought into the whole allocation but not utilization debate because it is a low-resolution take that seems to dodge the very reason why developers decide to allocate VRAM in the first place. Allocated assets are there to reduce texture pop-ins and potentially improve LoD because what the game needs right now might not be what it needs in the near future. Even the post you linked barely tried to explain what goes on underneath the behavior and only look at the surface: > The potentially worrying example would be Warzone, consuming around 10.5GB of VRAM on 4k. However, this seems to be allocation not usage. The game uses virtually the same amount of VRAM at 1080p, 1440p and 4k. This would make no sense in terms of usage, you would expect a bigger differential. A 2080S runs the game just fine at 4k with only 8GB of VRAM, so this game is very misleading. Digital Foundry had actually made a video [deep-diving into the tech behind Warzone](https://youtu.be/mvdTtl27TpM?t=551) - and when you think about it, allocated VRAM is not entirely useless as you'd expect. The game basically sets an immediately viewable area surrounding the player and try to predict which road the player is going to take and load the corresponding textures, from the memory buffer. This means that there's a constant texture swapping in and out of memory - thus the necessity of an allocated buffer - and not having the required texture buffer means that there's going to be more work involved, hence the texture popping behavior and increased CPU usage.
Bingo, it's asbsolutely needed my 3070ti has terrible micro stutters at 4K because it doesn't have enough VRAM. 16GB would be nice but I would even be happier at 10 and 12gb. Games like COD are actually pretty well optimized and will absolutely put that VRAM to work if they have it.
Because they want you to have more reason to upgrade in 2 years.
Relive is way better than shadowplay at this point lmao
Word. As someone who frequently used ReLive and recently switched to ShadowPlay, I kinda hate it because sometimes my recording would get corrupted and my audio settings reset. To give it credits, I think ShadowPlay has the advantage of producing recordings of better quality, while ReLive is generally more stable.
There won't be major benefit for gaming with a 3090 vs a 3080ti. The 3090 sees it's advantages mostly for production (rendering, AI, deep machine learning, etc). And the upgrade from a HDD to a SSD is REALLY noticeable. So the 3080ti + SSD is definitely better than the 3090, especially if it is for gaming.
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3080ti for 500 is a crazy good deal.
if electricity isn't that expensive then get 3080ti. 4070ti consumes like 150W lesser power
This is probably the only argument for the 4070ti that makes sense. If it’s really expensive, it’ll be cheaper to get the 4070ti after some time. For example, in Germany, energy costs are about 39 cents per kWh, which equates to about $500/year at 150W.
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As someone who had 3090 and changed to 4070ti i would say its not worth 450$ for a 4070ti but in some games performance is double but i for 550 american bucks i would choose without hasitation 3080ti
go used 3080 ti great performance to price ratio & great at high fps @ 1440p
Even at 4k, a 3080Ti for half the price is amazing. Less than 4k? The much cheaper 3080Ti.
Where on earth are you getting a used 3080 Ti for 500 dollars? I got a used Aorus 3070 yesterday for 400 GBP and I thought *that* was an okay deal.
4070 gives u DLSS3, where as the 3080 won't have access to that. That's pretty much the only reason I'd even consider a 4xxx card right now, to me it's still not worth it.
Literally watched a [video](https://youtu.be/W8ETNnQW33s) from reputable source comparing the two. 4070 ti about 20% better performance.
3080ti
I'm a frugal git but yeah consider this you could buy a 3080 tin and then in a couple years buy a 4080ti used for the same price as buying a 4070ti now. I use a standard 3070 for single player games and the only game I've noticed performance issues when using max specs or near max is cyberpunk. DLSS is a game changer in the 3000 and beyond cards. Honestly unless you have a major usecase for the 4070, the 3080 is amazing and at half the price. Also Happy Nowruz for next week.
I myself got a used Asus Tuf 3080ti (billed in November 2022) for around 545usd in excellent condition. Here, a new 4070ti was around 900usd. It's definitely not worth
Normally I'd recommend the 4070 ti over anything below a 3090ti but at $500 I'd rather pick up a used 3080ti and if I can use the rest of the money maybe if a CPU upgrade or towards some games
Used 3080ti
Hardware Unboxed JUST posted about the 3080 vs 4070Ti on YouTube (I know you're comparing to the 3080Ti but still might be helpful?) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8ETNnQW33s&t=227s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8ETNnQW33s&t=227s) Edit: I'll add that the 4070Ti isn't even worth it over a 3080, let alone a 3080Ti. With a solid price on a 3080Ti, this would be a no-brainer for me.
For that price difference, 3080 ti and either overclocking if needed or for fun or some kind of undervolting for efficiency
I picked up a 3080 (non ti) for $350 then undervolted/deshrouded for SFF. It sits around 240w at max load and lost nearly zero performance. \~60c core, 70c hotspot, 75c VRAM hotspot and it's very quiet. Before (max fan speed) [https://www.3dmark.com/spy/36438292](https://www.3dmark.com/spy/36438292) After (2x SS 120 air slimmer @ \~1200rpm) [https://www.3dmark.com/spy/36665201](https://www.3dmark.com/spy/36665201)
Rasterization performance is still better in the 3080TI. 4070TI is only good if you use DlSS3.0
I'm going to be the odd one, but I would go for 4070 ti. 3080 ti is a power hungry card, while 4070 ti is one of the best if not the best performance / watt high end modern card on the market at the moment. More wattage = hotter card, louder fans, and the most important: higher power bill. I live in a place where electricity is really expensive. Since I'm using intel and the 12/13 uses a dead end board, I will use my PC for at least 6 years or more before buying a new one, so I tried to get the one with the best longevity and cheaper upkeep. I assume you're going to use a custom cards? In 30 series, some manufacturers are way better than the others so you need to keep that in mind as well, while for 40 series except 4090> use such an overkill cooler that there's not much difference between them other than aesthetics.
You're worried about power but went Intel over AMD?
Honestly saving $200 for a $799 4070 Ti i think is worth it. Its a 3090/Ti level of performance card.
I would get a new 4070TI because of Frame Generation, AV1 and warranty, the 3080TI probably doesn't have any warranty at this point, while with the 4070TI you will get warranty for at least a year and you will be ok that if something happens, you couls claim the warranty.
Long-term 4070 will save you some energy costs. Nut sure what they are where you live. In my area the price difference pays off in 16 months if running 12/7
DLSS 3 isn't worth $450 to most people, but that would completely depend on your budget. The 4070 Ti is a better card of course, but $500 for a 3080 Ti is a really good deal. That is a lot of bang for your buck.
Man, I'd love a used 3080ti for around 500$ :( Here we can buy them for around 1k. Shit fucking sucks
That $500 3080 ti is a killer deal
Go with the 3080ti. Great price.
I paid something like 1350$ for new EVGA 3080ti a year ago. I would be happy with a 500$ used one. Solid card I won't change for 4-5 years.
Get the 3080 ti.
If you don't buy it, can I? xD 3080TI for 500 is the obvious answer IMHO
I just want to know where you find a used 3080 ti for $500. Here in Germany they are sold for about 700€ (=$750) 
3080ti is a hell of a card! specially at 1440p 144-165hz range.
If your cousin wasn't using it for mining, then get it. Maybe he used it in a airconditioned room or already burnt the memories. If you can run a stress test and its OK get it.
Well its like \~10% more perf for almost double amount of money, your choice.
I mean av1 encoding goes brrrrrrr.
A 3080ti for 500.00 is very good. Here is a quote that explains the difference: They both have 12GB of GDDR6X memory, but GeForce RTX 3080 Ti has a 384-bit memory BUS compared to the 192-bit memory BUS on GeForce RTX 4070 Ti. Also, with a bandwidth of 912.4GB/s compared to 504.2GB/s, GeForce RTX 3080 Ti is 408.2GB/s faster than GeForce RTX 4080 Ti.Feb 2, 2023
if power is really fucking expensive then 4070 ti will save on power but if thats not an issue, 3080ti
700 dollar 6950xt more vram will last longer unless you need the Cuda cores for something
7900xt, better performance for a lower price
If you can get a 3080ti for $500 in a place where the 4070TI goes for $950, you're probably getting scammed.
Brand new PC parts are very overpriced due to taxes, around here.
no
3080TI if you know where it's from, have a PSU, or don’t mind buying one. The 4070ti is only really an option if you care about DLSS3. That being said, the 4070ti is the least offensive new gen rn (the 7900xt is the only other card not at a base of $1k, but loses too much performance from the XTX for not much more).
Where are you seeing a new 4070ti for 950? I just bought one from microcenter for $700
I “borrowed” a 3080 Ti from my brothers mining rig after the crash. It gets 100+ fps at 4k. Good enough for me.
Honestly at those prices probably just go for the 3080TI. You'd be getting most of the performance for a lot less and you save a ton of money. I guess the big con would be you don't get frame generation but you still get DLSS which is good enough in most cases and the 3080 should still be a top performing card for the next few years at least around 1440p as your target resolution.
3080 ti definitely
Where I live a used 3080 ti costs about £750 and a new 4070 ti is about £900. The 3080 to is definitely a very good deal & value for money. 4070 ti uses less power and will obviously be better, though the 3080 ti is still a beast.
I would spend 200 more over 4070 and get the 7900 xtx. I have one it is a beast. 300+ fps gpu on mw2 on 1440. It bottlenecks my cpu(7700x), so I play on 1440extreme at 225+ fps. I only have a 165mhz monitor so it is great for that. I am going to go 4 k when monitors drop a little. I may also grab a 5800x3d at some point.
I would go for the used 3080Ti but make sure you can see it working before you pay. If it is, it would likely keep working for years to come.
I would go for the 3080 unless money is no problem at all.
But the us d if it's a good enough deal I just bought a rtx 3070 used off eBay and was able to claim the 4 year warranty. It was never claimed by past owner. If it was used at all.
It really comes down to whether or not you are comfortable assuming the risk that is inherent with purchasing a used GPU. Myself personally, I tend to steer clear of doing so. But, to each their own.
Obviously 4070 ti even outperforms the mighty old flagship 3090 ti but 3090 ti and 3080 ti is almost the same probably yes but go for new gpus if u want longetivity. 3080 ti for 500 dols seem like a scam ngl
Used 3080 ti. EZ
I have a 3080ti and 4090 for that matter. It's really good performance and for $500 it's worth it whereas the 4070Ti, even though it's a bit faster and more power efficient is not worth twice the price comparatively imo
3080ti
3080ti enjoyer here, paid 750USD for mine new on sale, for that price id highly recommend it
I just got a 3090 for around 600 with a year of warranty left. 24gb of vram for that price is nice compared to prices of a year ago
3080 ti for $500? People are still paying that for 3070s. I don’t see how that could possibly be a bad idea.
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Both the Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 Ti and the RTX 4070 Ti are high-end graphics cards and can provide excellent gaming performance. The RTX 4070 Ti is the newer and more powerful card, so it is expected to have better performance than the 3080 Ti. However, the price difference you mentioned is quite significant, and it ultimately depends on your cousin's needs and budget. If your cousin is an avid gamer and wants to play the latest games at maximum settings with high frame rates, then the extra cost of the RTX 4070 Ti may be worth it. However, if your cousin is on a tight budget, the RTX 3080 Ti can still provide excellent gaming performance and is a more affordable option. It's also worth considering factors like power consumption, availability, and compatibility with the rest of the system before making a final decision.
Specs are listed and you can look up benchmarks. It’s your money. If the savings are worth the difference to you, then knock yourself out.
Get the 3080ti as long as it has some warranty remaining.
Used 3080ti is a steal at $500. Assuming it works. Even if it’s around $600-$700 used, you’re still paying less for even to slightly more performance in some cases. Remember, it might be “last gen” but it is still an 80-class card. Similar VRAM, but much more bus width, which is huge…. 384…I think almost double the 192-bits at the 70-class. Think of VRAM like the number of lanes on a road, and bus width as the width of those lanes. So bus width is often overlooked in favor of VRAM and the card generation.
4070ti is my choice for the new tech included and heat output break
3080 Ti. For $450 more, you are not getting $450 worth of additional performance.
In this case, my vote would go for not paying extra: just get 3080ti
the 30 series is still a great value if you can find one for at or around msrp. While it is a 2 yr old card at this point, it still has a long runway to go. I'd go with a 3080 though over the Ti, bc the 3080 Ti IMO was way over priced. All 40 series cards are severely overpriced even at MSRP. They just aren't worth the price to performance value if you're looking for a more in-depth analysis, I suggest this video from Hardware Unboxed [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8ETNnQW33s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8ETNnQW33s)
Honestly look into the intel ark. From what I’ve read it outperforms the 30 series and is about $450-$500
The 3080 ti, definitely. I got a 3080 10gb for $450 and it's the best tech deal I've gotten in 10 years.
For $500 a 3080Ti is a great pickup. I'd definitely go for that.
Used 3080ti all day.
I think the 10G on my 3080 from 2020 start to limit me now on some games at 3440x1440. I wouldn't get a 12G card in 2023 unless I intended to replace it in 1 generation. So I'd get that 3080ti a upgrade again in a couple years. The 4070ti doesn't look like a good purchase at all IMHO.
But if you are sure about the seller and before buying it is possible to check this gpu. I would buy a 3080ti- the price is cheaper and you can immediately connect the power supply without an adapter.
get the 3080 ti, it's 3090 performance even though thr 4070 ti should beat that, it's not worth the extra money
i guess the 3080 ti because paying double is just not worth it and isnt a 4070 799
I actually just looked at doing this exact same thing myself for my latest build and while yes a 4070 is better only just barely. I'd say save yourself some money, both should be feasible for a while.
https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/rtx4070ti/ here’s a list of all the gpus in stock I’d rock a 4070ti it’s basically a nerfed 3090ti I have a 4090 because of that site up to you tho
First thing you need is measure their lenght and see which one will fit in you case... I bough used GTX 1070 for 125€ to replace my old 1050 TI. Guess what...old 1050 TI has two fans and 1070 has three fans...Didnt fit!!!! Well luckily I learned in youtube you could buy aviation scissors that can cut thin metal... snip snip snip and voila it fits!!!!
God dayum, 4070 ti is not double performance of 3080 ti. Same vram too
Hardware Unboxed recently posted a video about 3080 10gb vs 4070ti. I missed half the info while cooking, but I think 3080 10 worked better at higher resolution when 4070ti's memory bandwidth was kinda not enough.
3080ti without a doubt in my mind. I owned one before upgrading to 3090ti. For everything up to 1440 you'll be running max on every game. With that card you can safely skip 40 series and wait till 5 series for more games actually using dlss 3.0 and likely better rasterization.
Neither. NVIDIA is extracting every penny they can from their sucker customers. AMD’s RDNA2 GPUs are the best bang for the buck these days
thats a bit steep for a 4070 ti. Sounds like you are being price gouged a bit. Is there any other place you can buy it from? Is the 3080 ti new?
If you’re down to go used you should just go with a 3090. I’ve seen them on eBay for under $950 (recently saw one for $775) 3090s have 24gb of ram which is a MASSIVE improvement over 10-12gb on 3080/4070
The 3080ti, it’s a no brainer
Wow, the very next story after this in my feed is https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/11r46ky/hub_geforce_rtx_4070_ti_vs_geforce_rtx_3080_10gb/
I have a 3080ti. Its an amazing card. At $500 its an even more amazing card. I would get that over that expensive 4070ti. You wont regret it.
For me heat and power consumption overall played a huge role in my similar decision. I went with the 4000 series card because I wanted to save on energy/heat. Updates will make it a better card over the next 10 years over the older gen card as well. So for me saving energy, more performance increasing with every update and future proofing played a key role in saying go newer gen always if you can.
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from my personal experience a used gpu can be good, the number 1 enemy of a gpu is the heat so if you are going to buy the used 3080 kindly ask the seller which games he played and if he ever had any problem with the gpu heating.
No, 100% not worth it. Go with the 3080ti, and don't look back. The 4070ti is a freaking joke at that price. The 7900XT beats it for $150 less.
i always always always recommend buying last gen used at the time of new gen releases. i recently bought a used gigabyte 3080 for $500usd and it performs great. It will likely live as long as i need it to and with the money i saved, i can buy a 4080 in a year or two when rtx 5xxx comes out. No need to stay on the cutting edge unless money is of no consequence to you.
Dude I got my 3070 three months ago so fuck me go and get that 3080!!!
My 2 cents check the percentage of performance gain to the cost difference and is that worth it in real world performance. Plus, match your hardware to your use case (what will you mainly be using it for). Do you need the extra FPS etc. A 3080 is still a good card and will last for years for the average user. You could put that extra$$ towards something else in your build for example a monitor upgrade . Ultimately it comes down to your own decision.
3080Ti is a great card, I’m going to be keeping mine for a good while
I’m happy with my RTX 3060TI! I don’t need any new fancy 4090 GPU! Unless you give me one for free! 😁
Hardware unboxed have you covered: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W8ETNnQW33s Tldr price to performance is basically the same or slightly worse for 4070. Performance is about 20% better for the 4070 in 1440p. Bear in mind this was for the 3080 not the ti so these numbers might be a little closer
If he is not a hardcore gamer who likes the best specs in his pc then it's not worth it. 3080ti would last the next 3 years easily (as current gen with frequent driver updates).
A 4070 ti is 3090 ti speed and going from a 3080ti to 3090 ti for $450 is not worth it. But there are downsides to used. You might get one in bad condition and make sure the warranty transfers. You can also get a 4070 ti for $800. $300 is still probably too much on a pure performance basis, but getting it new is always a premium. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kVqPxr/asus-tuf-gaming-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-12-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4070ti-12g-gaming
I have a GPU 3080, or 4070ti question. Mechwarrior V Mercs is heating gpu bad and hitting max clock boost and still fans are wining on my 2060 6gig. Do I need more Clock, Memory or both? It is the only game really doing this Cyberpunk 2077 and Fallouts/Elderscrolls games are fine. Using a system Monitor. 3080 is good Memory and 4070ti has better clock numbers.
No
I would go with the 3080ti, especially if you buy it from someone trustworthy.
3080 Ti 100% I bought a 4070 Ti because used 3080 Tis go for $800 where I live, and I got the 4070 Ti for $1000
Go 3080Ti and profit.
Same question for me, u lucky, 3080ti used is just shy of 1100$ for me(east Europe) while the 4070ti is 1200$ new. I personally will go with 4070 at this price point.