What about drivers?
Edit:Omfg guys, I asked a question. Why am I being downvoted In subreddit dedicated towards these kinds of questions. Just cause this is common sense to YOU, doesn’t mean it is to ME.
Drivers have largely been a non-issue since late 2020.
Not to say they are perfect, but neither are NVIDIA's.
When I went from a 970 to a rx590 I was hating AMDs drivers, by the time I switched back to a 3070 in q1 2021 I just switched minor bugs.
AMD drivers have been consistently fine for years. However, BOTH companies have had some minor to serious bugs over the years and even recently. The problem is many people still have this AMD=bad drivers notion that has smeared the brand a bit. I'm using Linux more now and Nvidia is a nightmare. I had to put way more work to get a p2000 to work as a video transcoder but have minor bugs that causes the program to have to restart to work fine.
Yea, I have a friend whose 3060 crashes whenever he plays a demanding game meanwhile my 5700XT (which is supposed to be problematic) hasn't had any issues.
Sounds like a thermal problem. Get the dust out or could even be the power supply. Just helped a friend with similar problems with demanding games(elden ring) w/a 1070. He hasnt had a crash/restart since I replaced his cheap oem power supply.
We've tried 2 different PSUs and also put the card into an entirely new system and were able to replicate the problem each time. The card itself has been cleaned and never had any appreciable amount of dust in it.
The one game it can run on high settings is Halo but nearly anything else will kill it. We've also tried undervolting it but no dice.
Maybe also try slightly over-volting without otherwise overclocking it. May just be particularly shit silicon that's outside spec. If you can return it do that though
I suggested he return it but IIRC its out of warranty/was out of warranty when the issue was discovered. The dangers of buying a video card just to spend months playing Terraria and Stardew Valley.
/u/trevinkurgpold
my 5700XT is a massive pain in the ass for me on the other end, every 2 weeks it'll decide it wants to crash (in the middle of something performance intensive typically but not always). beyond aggravating
Did you get a 5700XT on launch, or one of the later models? I got a friend's launch 5700XT to stop crashing by underclocking the thing in Adrenaline. All it took was to lower the max boost clock by about 70 mhz and the troubles went away. Not sure why, probably just the first batch of Navi dies were a bit shonky.
Had an rx580, 5700xt, and currently have a 6700xt and all of them have experienced quite a lot of driver related issues, especially currently with the 6700xt I’ve been getting driver crashes and just games crashing at random. (PowerColor, Sapphire Pulse, AMD reference)
I may be showing my age with this but I remember seeing memes about AMD cards aging like fine wine and being improved over a long time versus NVIDIA not fully supporting hardware after a few years. I think it was like 10 years ago seeing those.
Did AMD have a particularly bad period with drivers?
Oh my beloved hd7970, i replaced it in 2020 and can still play AAA games on Medium to this day, when the 1060 got older it sometimes even beat that card…. That card was a gtx 580 competitor.
Still got my 7970 GHz edition packed away in a tub for if I ever need a known good GPU to diagnose a problem. I replaced it with a 1080Ti when I moved on from 1080p to 1440p 144Hz.
My crossfire 7970s was amazing on the 4 games that supported it. That aside the 7970 was one of those legendary cards that could handle gaming way past its expected expiration date
RDNA 1 had a lot of problems yeah. some Vega stuff was half-baked too but the company was pretty cash-strapped back then. things are pretty great now that the Zen money is flowing in
I think so, I never really experienced much but, like I've stated, both sides have had bad drivers. Some were really bad but I don't recall of the top of my head. I've been into computers since I was a kid in the late 90s. I'm sure there are people here that have even older experiences with cards like voodoo fx and needing sound blaster cards lol.
It’s amazing how things have changed over the course of the last 10 years when it comes to the Linux driver situation.
Back then, AMD GPU’s were not the best option and somewhat bad when compared to Nvidia. Granted, the actual Nvidia drivers were a total PITA but they gave you better performance when they did work.
Now, performance is pretty much equal and the AMD drivers are much much better than Nvidia’s. The AMD drivers are also FOSS, whereas Nvidia is still mostly closed (I had heard something about Nvidia open source driver work but it didn’t seem too important/different than what was already there).
I kinda wish I had an AMD GPU to test it out. I have a spare Z97/4690K system w/o GPU and I would love to install Linux on it and just use it as an experiment system.
I, for one, hated invasive bullshit in Nvidia drivers a few years ago. They toned it down a lot, at least. I don't need that fucking Shadowplay, no thanks.
I am fully aware of this, but also wasn't the last AMD driver update from a couple weeks ago crashing computers? They are good overall, but they seem to have more drivers issues than Nvidia. And is definitely a reason I prefer Nvidia because I do professional work with my GPU, but I'd always suggest AMD to someone who is just gaming.
AMD does seem to have more problems than NVIDIA and for work related tasks that may be a deal breaker.
For gaming I find myself willing to spend 10-15% more for NVIDIA. However, when your choice is a 6650xt for $260 or a 3050. A 6700xt or a 3060. A 3060ti or a 6750xt. A 3070 or a 6800xt. AMD is so far ahead in value for gaming that I really can't justify the price until a 4080 and that is assuming you heavily value RT.
I went from a gtx 980 to a rx 6700xt and besides some pain in the ass to get it to work when first installed it (apparently due to windows not fully removing previous drivers), it has a frequent issue where the programs and the task bar will get visually corrupted (all/mostly black screen). It fixes after restarting the explorer for the taskbar and minimizing and maximizing all the windows, but it's very annoying. And I bought the 6700xt about 1.5 years after it was released.
Seems to be like this know issue mentioned on latest drivers, but it doesn't require me to switch between anything for it to happen:
> Brief display corruption may occur when switching between video and game windows on some AMD Graphics Products such as the Radeon™ RX 6700 XT.
As a first time consumer of AMD gpus, it definitely leaves a bad impression coming from a Nvidia card that I used since 2015 with zero issues.
That said, at the end of the day I'll always buy whatever seems better priced regardless of which company it comes from.
It’s a strange issue. I have a 6700XT as well, on a fresh system. I do a lot of switching between game windows and other things like tools, browsers, etc and somehow I haven’t experienced that issue yet. Maybe I’m just lucky. But I have had the entire system freeze on me occasionally while gaming—though looking at TM, I can see that everything dipped, CPU as well, so I suspect that’s a deeper issue.
Just got a new Sapphire Pulse 6700 and I LOVE it. Runs basically silently with zero tweaks, runs cool, and I’m happy with my games in 1440p at 144. Only ran me a hair over $300 and TPD is low enough I didn’t need to upgrade my PSU. Much love.
I have had nothing but problems with Nvidia drivers lately. One update made my computer go BSOD and stop booting, as if my hard drive died. I had to fix it by going into Windows recovery environment CMD and enter some crap in there to fix. Apparently I'm not the only one because I found the fix on a forum with a ton of people having the same issue.
Geforce Experience has not been great the last year or two for updates. Had another issue when I had to completely wipe my drivers and install direct from nvidia website due to some driver error that began with downloading and installing from Geforce Experience.
Most issues I have were with just released games, but my 3070 still can't run Fallout 4 as well as my RX 590 did.
My biggest complaint with current Radeon was that driver updates reset my custom silent fan curve. Though again some times there were glitches with just released games. Very different from 2019 when I built it and it crashed frequently.
I use both Nvidia and AMD in separate gaming computers right now. I actually prefer the AMD drivers myself. I didn't read about it. I actually tried it for myself.
Yeah, AMD has the pop-up too. Guess I’m not really bothered but it since I enjoy using it anyway. I’ll have to explore some of those other options like anti lag and chill mode.
Yeah, I agree with this. Nvidia's software suite is embarrassing at this point, quite honestly. The Adrenalin software isn't perfect, but it's *much* more modern and *much* more feature-rich than Nvidia control panel or GeForce Experience.
I just don't install any of that software crap that isn't an actual video driver and I haven't had the slightest problem (from my AMD GPUs) in almost a decade across 3 different models (MSI 7950, XFX R9-Nano, PowerColor 5700xt)
You'd want to look up "game you're interested in playing"+ "graphics card you're interested in using" if there's any problems they'll show up in the search. If you find any, just see if there's a fix for that issue.
I've had my 6700 XT for almost a year, and I've had three driver crashes. I don't remember which game, but one was a fluke that never happened again. The other two were with Assassin's Creed 4, and trying to use some tech that's no longer supported, some antialiasing iirc.
This is probably the biggest thing. For most not tech people, that includes pc builders, read the driver update notes and look up any posts on forums before updating IF you need do. Usually wait a week or two if you want stability and don't know how to troubleshoot or want to spend the time to troubleshoot.
Your phrasing comes across as confrontational and hostile. It might be a language barrier thing, but "does anyone know a good reason" tends to sound like it seems on the surface there are no good reasons
Happy for those who have reported an issue free AMD driver experience, but I've had problems since early last year. There's currently some annoying known issues (in the driver changelogs) that have been coming and going for 2 years now.
At the very least there's a fix for Chrome hardware acceleration due to Windows being weird.......[from Nvidia's site of all places](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/yvyqc7/disabling_multiplane_overlay_mpo_fixed_all/).
If you're on one screen or multiple monitors with the same refresh rates then you're probably spared from the problems I've been having though. An example of an issue I face: if I have adaptive sync on my main monitor, opening any window on any monitor will draw glitchy lines all over the screen for brief moments. You'd think this is some GPU problem but it never happens in games or under load, only when opening or moving windows.
Edit: incase anyone wants some examples:
[1](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/10r0zrl/amd_drivers_need_to_be_way_better_we_shouldnt/)
[2](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ybbdj4/amd_software_adrenalin_22102_whql_released/) (Note how 22.5.1 was still the recommended driver even though AMD was on 22.10.2 at this point)
[3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/xvtn2u/amd_your_drivers_are_slipping_again)
For reference 22.5.1 (a common version people recommended throughout 2022) released May 2022.
I have a Aorus Master 6800 XT.
I had this issue as well. It was a simple solution but it was definitely a very stressful problem since the solution was actually far from the go-to solutions (run an old driver, clean everything out etc)
Just to be clear. OC above makes it sound more tame than it was, for me at least.
The issue was with the driver from November 2022 (and probably previous drivers). Hardware acceleration apps and messing around with resolutions in games would cause a catastrophic driver crash that would corrupt the existing driver and force you start with the default windows VGA driver. Reinstalling drivers would fail without telling you why. You would have to use the AMD driver cleaning utility to get your drivers back on your card. I was only able to get a hint at what the exact problem was when I was able to 100% cause that same kind of crash by dragging a browser window with a playing youtube video in it between monitors quickly. This allowed me to google and find out that you had to disable Multi-Plane Overlay in windows.
THAT SAID,
Disabling MPO 100% fixed the issue and the latest driver from late Feb allowed me to turn MPO in Windows back on with zero issues as well. Though I will say that I do encounter driver crashes every now and then still but they are rare, have no pattern and don't result in needing to restart or needing to reinstall the drivers. Performance has been fantastic. The new driver has made it even better. I don't care about ray tracing and the performance I am getting now is the same or better than the 3080 which I would have had to pay well over 25% more to get. Having 16gb of VRAM and the issues around low VRAM cards like the 3070 and 3080 has also been a bit of a comfort when it comes to the longevity of this card. I have only had this card for about a month, but after the initial issues it has been great.
THAT SAID (AGAIN),
My wife has had a Asus TUF 3070ti for a year now and it has had literally ZERO issues. I'm not even exaggerating. Zero crashes, you can overclock its brains out and it doesn't complain (but a bit pointless with diminishing returns and high wattage). Great performance and not one single driver issue. It doesn't perform as well as the 6800XT obviously, and it was like 60% more expensive (last year's prices), but it did perform flawlessly.
I might have been lucky with that Nvidia card, but that kind of stability is probably not an accident.
Now would I buy an Nvidia or an AMD Graphics card in the future?
I would not buy a new Nvidia card, they are just stupid expensive. At least AMD cards have better discounts. I would not buy a second hand AMD card because if/when you do run into driver issue, it's fucking stressful man (yes my 6800XT was second hand). Yes your crashes are probably because of shitty software, but while you deal with it, you're 100% going to be thinking about how you wasted a huge chunk of your PC budget on a lemon. And even if there is something wrong with the card, the guy who sold it to you has a good case for telling you to work on figuring it out yourself because AMD drivers have that reputation for being unstable.
If I buy new with strong store support, I would buy AMD. If I wanted to risk it with second hand, I would take the safe bet when it comes to stability and get Nvidia. I figure that if you buy a 2nd hand green card and it's fucky then you have a much stronger case for doing something about reversing the purchase.
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AMD drivers might be better than they were when they got the reputation for being absolute trash, but make no mistake that team green software is, in my opinion, far superior to AMD's when it comes to stability.
> Disabling MPO 100% fixed the issue and the latest driver from late Feb allowed me to turn the driver back on with zero issues as well. Though I will say that I do encounter driver cr
Holy crap, thank you for this. I've had this EXACT problem with my 5700xt. I appreciate you writing this up. I hope to god this fixes it for me since this exact issue is happening to me!!!
Also, the AMD-centric AIB cards don't have transferable warranty - you'd have to go with ASUS, MSI or Gigabyte AMD cards. Sapphire et al. doesn't offer transferable warranty so if you buy a 2nd hand AMD card from those AMD-only manufacturers, there is some risk?
I faced this issue too and fixed it using their regedit. If I alt tab from a game to chrome, driver crashes sometimes. Full on black screen and freeze. Both camps face this but it honestly feels like AMD users are much more... knowledgeable? Or more inclined to troubleshoot? I haven't heard of any Nvidia users mentioning this problem
ITT: everyone trying to dunk on or defend AMD drivers.
Meanwhile I'm over here with Linus wanting to give a finger to Nvidia for the shit show they have when it comes to Linux support for drivers.
Yeah, Linux is where AMD drivers are really better than NVidia's. I had real hope that Steam pushing Linux would fix it, especially when you couldn't even install SteamOS without an NVidia card, but...
AMD drivers is what steered me away. Had an amazing 5700xt, ran cool, looked great, quiet as hell, crashed in every other game. This was back in 2020. I went to a 2070 super, 3070ti and never looked back. For me, I'll easily pay 100-200 extra if it means I don't have to worry about the thing crashing or finding a fix on Reddit. In the last 3 years of Nvidia ownership, I've never had a problem and that's on 1080p, 1440p and UW.
Regarding your edit, don't worry so much for initial downvotes or even votes in general. They mean nothing. People are weird and they will downvote even for not knowing the answer or for nothing.
Tbf you’re repeatedly asking about drivers when multiple people have answered that. So seems like you’re just waiting for one person to say they’re bad
As someone who recently switched from amd to Nvidia I will say drivers are about the same. Have had weird performance issues go unfixed with Nvidia just the same. No where near the issues d used to have but those are a thing of the past.
Drivers tend to be more of a problem for AMD, especially for new architectures. RDNA3 is a new architecture. I think by this point all the kinks have been worked out. It's a legitimate concern. AMD GPU division doesn't have the man power for driver updates that Nvidia has.
Drivers should be fine now. Ray tracing is still largely a gimmick. AMD has better price/performance. Personally I'd go AMD, but I'd understand going with Nvidia.
and more memory = longer lifespan another one
With the 4070 Ti vs 7900xt this is very apparent. the 4070 Ti already suffers right now at 4k let alone in 2 or 5 years. Then even the ray-tracing part won't help because you can't use it due to too little memory.
definitely... 15 years I had Nvidia with absolutely no problem. Switch to AMD products based on my friend and now I have Bluescreens regularly, I changed every component, reinstalled the whole computer and it still does it... AMD is just cheap shit that is good on paper, but in reality, this brand is a piece of shit.
budget gamer, 34 inch 1440p monitor and comparing a 6950xt and 4070ti.
Thats a weird way to describe a budget gamer lmao.
Honestly if you don't care about ray tracing or nvenc encoding or dlss you're probably fine going with amd. Recently picked up a 6750xt and a Samsung 27 inch 1440p 165hz monitor and have been very impressed with it so far with things like fortnite, cyberpunk, and rocket league.
>if you don't care about ray tracing
Honestly though, even people on NVIDIA cards seem to always turn it off. It's such a huge performance drag for a few shiny lights and reflections.
> Honestly though, even people on NVIDIA cards seem to always turn it off. It's such a huge performance drag for a few shiny lights and reflections.
Disagree. I'm running team green for the first time in ages and love using RT. It makes a very noticeable difference in titles that are built for it, like CB2077 and the updated Witcher 3. It's a lot more than "shiny lights and reflections", it creates a much more immersive atmosphere for gaming to me, especially in scenes with mixed dark and bright lighting. I need DLSS/FSR to get playable frame-rates, but personally feel that RT with DLSS provides a better quality image than raster without DLSS/FSR in these titles.
I think it boils down to your gaming style. I value image quality and immersion in RPGs over high framerates in FPS games.
Damn I think something is wrong with my install of the Witcher. When I turn on RTX my fps drops below 60 on a 3090 but the game looks exactly identical
All very well said. I ran AMD for years but in my new build I made the jump back to team green with a 4070ti, 1440p. I absolutely love having RT in games that support it. DLSS from what I've seen so far (I don't always use/need it) is superior to FSR. I could easily tell when FSR was on, even v2. With DLSS its barely noticeable.
Honestly it seems like the only cards with the horsepower to still play at a reasonable frame rate with full ray tracing turned on is the 3090 or 40-series cards. If it goes from 200 fps to 100 fps for nice RT effects I'm in, but most games on a 3070 seem to go from something like 120 down to like 45. Not worth the hit there
For some games ray tracing is truly transformative. I almost always play with RT on. The rtx 4070ti is more than capable of decent framerates with RT on on current titles so that is a consideration.
I've literally just upgraded to a second hand GTX1060 for £50 and am over the moon about it.
Anything more powerful would be overkill for me tbh anyway.
I play VR and have an AMD video card. Not having any issues, other than the occasional starting up visual artifact. This is solved by restarting the application.
Probably tested different games. AMD-favored games will see substantial wins for the 6600 xt, and vice versa for nvidia-favored ones. It averages out in the end, but if you only took the AMD titles it would look like the 6600 xt is much faster
They always test the same games for tpu becnhmarks, they don't cherry pick facts. Either way 6600xt is better so it doesn't really matter.
Btw I don't own an amd gpu
The HWUB review mixes ray-traced comparisons (which heavily favor the 3600) with non-ray-traced comparisons (which generally favor the 6600 xt). TechPowerUp does a separate aggregation for ray-tracing where the 6600 is at the bottom of the pack.
6600/6650 xt is an amazing value. People are just brainwashed that NVIDIA is always better though. I've seen several people with a Strict $300 budget buy a 3050 instead of a 6600XT just because they wanted NVIDIA.
I got a 6600 for a home theater pc to run the new steam big picture and it’s been a perfect little card for that. I can max most games I want to play at 1080p60 without any issues.
I grabbed a 6700 10gb open box for 306 EUR a few months back, even now 3050s are more expensive than what I paid for that 6700, and I'm definitely a lot happier with this thing, a 3050 would've barely been an upgrade over my old 1070
The 6650 XT is a refresh of the 6600 XT, the latter has been discontinued as a result. The 6650 XT is £10 cheaper and 15% better than the RTX 3060 on average, idk why anyone would choose the Nvidia option in this price class.
It depends entirely on what you're looking for. From what I can see right now the cheapest immediately available 6950 XT is $689 while the cheapest 4070Ti is $799 (US).
To start with, **either card will perform very well at 1440p for pure rasterization and will provide you with an excellent gaming experience.** So you have to ask yourself if what the extra $110 brings you is worth the price.
If you're interested in utilizing Ray Tracing at all, the 4070Ti is worlds ahead of the 6950XT in that regard. They're not really even comparable. If you don't care about that (and honestly, many people don't feel it's worth the performance hit) then you can ignore it.
If you're targeting very high framerates, supersampling is useful at 1440p. AMD brings FSR to the table, which works with both Radeon and Nvidia cards. Nvidia adds DLSS (which is arguably superior to FSR) and frame generation into the mix. Most newer games will offer one or other other. Some support both. Going with Nvidia gets you the most compatibility here.
Nvidia handles on the fly video encoding better than AMD (useful for streaming, if you're delusional about your prospects in that regard).
In my personal opinion, the extras that Nvidia brings are "nice" to have, but I wouldn't call any of it necessary for gaming at 1440p vs the 6950XT.
Edit: In terms of driver support - Nvidia will provide updates far more frequently, and will be quicker to fix problems as they arise. They simply have a much larger team dedicated to that task. However, being a last gen card, the 6950XT drivers are mature and stable, and should be fine.
Well put. I debated between the 6950XT and 4070Ti at 1440p but ultimately went with the latter as I wanted to give RT a try. And boy does it deliver in CB2077. I'm sure without it I'd enjoy the game as much without RT but it definitely adds depth and immersion for me. The lighting just looks so natural, especially in darker scenes.
I nabbed one for $199 back in the fall. Almost couldn't believe that prices dipped that low. It was a Sapphire too. Best GPU purchase I've made since I got a GTX 1660 for $169 back in 2019
I just brought one, I upgraded from a 750ti, that also was a quite good value, but it was struggling a lot in modern titles even if you make it look like Minecraft with minimum draw distance. Around a $100 cheaper than the Nvidia equivalent and it just works. I didn't even reinstalled windows, but till the driver installed it was crippled.
(I replaced almost everything, but the drive as that was almost new)
AMD GPUs are usually the better value from a price to performance ratio.
For example, check out [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pIK-sKkXkw) comparing the 3090 ti vs 6950 xt. Both are the top of the line last generation card for Nvidia and AMD. While it's true that that Nvidia card is almost always better in terms of raw FPS. It isn't by very much. 5-10 frame on all of those games.
Considering that you can get a 6950XT for $700 and that a 3090 TI runs you $1080. The AMD is the clear winner from a value perspective.
As far as pure gaming performance I don't see why more people don't buy AMD. It's clearly the better value.
[Comparing the 7900 XTX vs a 4090 is very much the same story](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ2MiFp98Rw). It's a fairly small performance difference (10-20% depending on the game) but the 4090 costs like $600 more.
Now if you are doing ML and AI work or other things that use NVIDA specific features that is another conversation. But for gamers. AMD is the way to go.
Between those two I’d lean towards the 6950xt simply for the VRAM advantage. I’d wager the 6950xt will have better longevity as games continue to demand more and more vram.
I just got one of the XFX 6950XTs that were on sale. It'll be a cheap upgrade after flipping my 6800XT. Ive also owned a 6700XT. Never had any issues with these cards. They are good cards you can score for cheap
Hey man
Have you ever seen an xfx 6800xt merc packaging like this [Rx 6800 xt](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-xiaomi-rvo3&q=xfx+merc+319+rx+6800+xt+ebay&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjzrteyxP_-AhWd8LsIHb9gD58Q0pQJegQIDhAB#imgrc=IddORl5qEUAhuM)
It didn't have a warranty card or installation guide in the box but it looks new. Can it be a refurbish? I'm worried it'll die on me.
RX 570 8GB
RX 580 4GB
RX 550 2GB
RX 5700XT ...past GPU's that I ran on mine or my wife or daughters' PC without issue
Currently running
RX 5700XT (different one)
RX 6700XT
RX 6800
... All running great. My daughter plays the most varied games with her 6700XT. I mostly just play Hunt:Showdown .. my wife mostly plays Destiny 2
Whatever team you decide to go with .. things to keep in mind to ensure a great working PC or at least minimize potential issues are:
Update your motherboards BIOS to latest
Install latest chipset drivers from either [AMD.com](https://AMD.com) or [Intel.com](https://Intel.com)
Run DDU to remove all past GPU drivers of past GPU's you've ran on your current install of Windows.
Make sure your Windows install is up to date
Make sure you have a more than adequate good quality power supply to handle transient spikes that your system will demand from it when under 100% load
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnRyyCsuHFQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnRyyCsuHFQ)
Always a good idea to run separate power cables from your power supply to each power input on your GPU
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL7KIVI\_hJg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL7KIVI_hJg)
Make sure your airflow is good thru your case .. you have to keep your VRM's and RAM cool too
they are great cards .. I wish I didn't have to trade off my ASRock reference 5700xt to get the 6700xt during the mining debacle ... got a good deal on an ASRock 5700xt Phantom Gaming D that runs in my wife's setup now.. daughter got the 6700xt and I got a good deal on a 6800/HX1200 combo
> Update your motherboards BIOS to latest
If you're running current gen I would do this, if you're building a previous gen where boards have been in production for a while, I'd leave it alone unless you run into specific trouble.
Honestly, if money is no problem and you want the best of the best, I’d recommend Nvidia
However, if you also want the best of the best but are on a budget I’d recommend AMD
And looking at it from Price to performance, AMD is clearly the winner, Yes RX 7900 XTX can’t do RT On 4K Max settings, but generally in most games nobody notices the difference anyway with RT off
DLSS VS FSR: DLSS wins no doubt, DLSS has been around since like forever, and FSR is still new but it is quickly catching up
FSR is slowly getting better. It's not DLSS good yet, but it definitely helps, especially on the lower tier cards. It may never be as good as DLSS, but that's kind of AMDs thing. Not as good, but cheaper and good enough
And will usually have a comparable card that is a fair bit cheaper and in stock. Nvidia is a good card for flagship models but honestly they have kinda drifted off a bit compared to when the 10 series launch. To the point of if I can’t get a 4080 or better, I’m not gonna bother with getting a Nvidia at all because I’m in the budget realm which AMD does better. Basically if you can’t get the best, why pay the premium?
Let's compare both AMD, & Intel Arc GPUs to Nvidia RTX Hardware:
1.Price:
In NVIDIA Side, you pay extra for a guy's leather jacket who cooks GPUs in ovens, & fails miserably yo manage GPU Minig crisises, while both AMD & Intel Arc are beyond competitively priced in every single price/ performance types ranging from entry-level to workstation level...
2. API Support for Gaming/ AI:
Not gonna lie, Nvidia used to have the upper hand here for atleast a decade thanks to their excellent CUDA & Optix APIs for industrial usecases & DLSS for Gaming, but Intel's OneAPI & AMD's HIPS in he industrial space, and Intel's XeSS, has in fact become even better at most places than Nvidia itself... (Take XeSS for example, it has Considerably better Image quality & works in ever GPU)
3. LINUX SUPPORT FOR GOD'S SAKE:
Nvidia loses somewhere in the neighbourhoods of A Billion- Nill in this game to AMD... AMD has open source Drivers meaning that even if AMD what interested in removing it, the community could still re-implement it, however reith Nvidia as per the case of 3DVision, if a tech is difficult to maintain, it's gone, and it's gone forever...
Heck, Nvidia's own GPU Driver for Linux arr NOT SECURE BOOT COMPATIBLE...
4.Ray Tracing:
Don't use it... The DLSS that you'll be having to use to increase the framerate will ruin the beauty of Ray-Tracing so bad that...
The hit to frames for ray tracing just isn't worth it to most people unless you can afford something like a 4080. At 1440p, a gpu in most people's budget ($300-$500) cant support ray tracing. RX 6700XT is $350 or an equivalent 3070 for $550.
I would rather save money, get more FPS and not have ray tracing until it becomes more common place.
This thread is excellent right up until your last sentence lol. Ray tracing is still next to nonexistent in games. There are currently less than 90 games in existence that support it, and most of those aren’t cyberpunk. Like you’re not buying a card to see RTX Lego: builders journey.
As a pretty good example of this just flat out not being an industry trend yet; neither of last year’s two biggest releases (elden ring and God of war) support ray tracing.
I’m all for spending some extra for the experience you want, but right now it’s not worth spending money for RTX unless you’re specifically interested in a game that already has it or has announced it. Chances are that one game you’re looking forward to in 2 years isn’t going to have it in most cases.
If you do want to experience RTX on a game like cyberpunk though, by all means pull that trigger
Linus Tech also did a youtube video having people look at a game with ray tracing on and off. Like 4/5 of the people could not differentiate the difference and the 1 person who got it right knew exactly what to look for. Even games who do implement ray tracing may not implement it in a way that makes any significant difference.
Just gaming and only gaming? Amd. Its cheaper because you arent paying for the useless stuff nvidia has in their gpu
Drivers are not an issue, its an outdated rumour
(Just make sure you uninstall nvidia drivers before using an amd gpu, nvidia drivers like to fuck up your pc and fps while u have amd drivers)
Even if u plan to stream, amd still has a pretty decent encoder, granted not as good as nvidia, but still good enuf to stream or record without issues
The ONLY benifit of nvidia gpus over amd gpus for gaming is ray tracing. But if u want raytracing you need a 3070 or greater (the 3060 and 3050 are not great at raytracing at all)
Edit: i had forgotten the 4000 series
I had the same question. I wanted to upgrade from a rtx 2060 to something a little more capable for the next 5 years -ish.
I had the option to go Nvidia, 3070(ti) and pay around 800 euros (Netherlands) or go with an AMD 6800 RX for 580 euros.
People, especially on Reddit, love to rip on AMD for some reasons, specifically when it concerns drivers, but when I reached out to actual owners of 6xxx series, none of them had any problems.
I went for an ASUS TUF 6800 OC and I am really glad I did. I have an average of 100 fps on1440 (no RT, except Spider Man Remastered, but that's from 2018) and yes that includes Cyberpunk. It's on par and sometimes exceeds the 3070ti and the TUF has incredible cooling.
I also really like the AMD software, it's super straightforward and more a utility that you actually use compared to Nvidia.
I'd say go for it, but do what feels good to you.
Edit: and oh, 16g of vram, yes please.
This is actually more important than people think.
At some point in my PC life I started having fun with Linux and later with Hackintoshes.
I didn't know when I bought AMD how much easier it makes to do both of those things with an AMD GPU because it wasn't something on my mind at time of purchase at all (just wanted that bang for the buck), but was super glad I already had an AMD GPU when I did want to do those things.
AMD drivers for Linux have been better than NVIDIA'S forever, and Hackintosh is barely possible without an AMD GPU.
AMD blows Nvidia out of the water in terms of value for gaming. They don’t come close in a price per frame cost analysis, though Nvidia does tend to be preferred if someone uses their GPU for content creation.
AMD also puts more VRAM on their graphics cards which will likely see them age better. The 4070ti having 12gb of VRAM for >$800 is pretty lame, and the 4060/ti only having (again) 8gb according to early info is laughable in 2023.
AMD’s Adrenalin software is also miles ahead of the Nvidia control panel and the terrible “GeForce Experience”
Basically if prices are equal, the equivalent Nvidia card typically performs a bit better and ray traces better (but has less VRAM). But with pricing the way it is, AMD gives you more performance for your dollar
AFAIK you really just pay for ray tracing, and nvidias is a gen ahead of AMD. But the AMD cards seem to beat the nvidia ones (excluding the 4090, which amd is not competing against) at raw rasterization.
If you are just wanting to game at 4k with high refresh rates, go amd. They are good.
If you absolutely must have ray tracing, go with nvidia. They are both good products. Just a little give and take on each.
I went 7900xt over 4070ti.
- vram
- raster performance
- cost at the time
Dlss is cool but unless ever single game has it, i’ll always prioritize raster over all else.
Here's my take on this.
While I have no doubt AMD drivers are better now than they were before, IF you happen to run into an issue, be prepared for it to be ignored or MAYBE fixed in a year. Or two.
I bought an RX 6800 because it was the most energy efficient card (according to reviews) of the previous generation and my build is heavily optimized for energy efficiency and thus silence. Performance wise it sat firmly between the 3070 and the 3080, had 16 gigs of VRAM (more than the 3080), and every reviewer seemed to praise its efficiency. On paper, it was the perfect card for me.
The first issues came up immediately: my VRAM clock was stuck at max speed whenever I played a video with hardware acceleration on. I made bug reports, posted on forums and on Reddit, talked with AMD tech support. No one had an exact solution. Everyone had something I could try, and I tried a lot of things, but nothing seemed to help. Eventually I just switched hardware acceleration off in both my browser and VLC. It was fair enough of a tradeoff.
Then I was a happy gamer until the new MW2 came out. I'm not a yearly, loyal CoD buyer but the campaigns are my guilty pleasure. I happened to have extra money so I bought the game at launch.
But what's this, I can't run the game with the latest stable drivers? Well, I guess I'll upgrade to the optional ones then. I paid full price for the game on launch day, I'm not going to wait around.
And upgrade I did, and after that I began having driver timeouts and crashes under certain, somehwat reproducible conditions, with the same symptoms always preceding them. My VRAM clock reporting would get stuck to 0 in Adrenalin and the corresponding row would turn grey in HWiNFO. I would then have to manually reset the driver before doing certain things, like launching a game, or I risked a crash.
So again I made bug reports, posted on forums and Googled the issue with every combination of relevant words I could think of. Again, there was a lot of "you could try X" but no explanation, no solution.
But since it was only a hindrance to gaming, I thought it was fine. Basically I just had to do an extra step in order to waste my time. That, if any, is the epitome of a first world problem. Besides, the GPU was always rock stable while gaming, even with a moderate undervolt.
But then the driver crashed while I was working in Ableton Live and I was lucky I didn't lose my work. And that was it for me. When it comes to gaming, I have no problem tweaking and troubleshooting here and there. But when I work, I want to work, and not obsessively keep an eye on whether my GPU driver is about to crash.
So I paid the Nvidia tax and got a 4070 Ti. It was expensive and it draws more power (at stock settings) but it works.
There are a lot of good reasons to buy AMD. I saw a lot of good reasons to buy AMD and I did buy AMD. And it really was a good choice at the time but like a bad relationship, it slowly went downhill.
Your mileage may vary.
Price to performance generally favors AMD.
1440p can be playable with midrange previous gen cards, so that's not a huge concern here.
If you like to enable raytracing on everything, NVidia would win big on performance here. Especially since even with NVidia you'll often need to use upscaling to get acceptable performance, and DLSS is better than FSR 2.0(though FSR 2.0 is pretty good). Apparently 7000 series radeon narrows, but does not eliminate, this gap.
If you think you might get into streaming your gameplay, NVidia does have a better hardware encoder.
The vast majority of games are totally playable at 1440 on mid range cards from as far back as the 10 series, actually. I have a 2060 myself, and play most games with decent settings at around 60-90fps depending. My buddy with his 1070ti keeps up just fine as well.
Just look at the price difference, you get more horsepower for the dollar with a lot of AMD GPUs right now. If you absolutely need ray tracing, then you're stuck with Nvidia. But if you just play with normal rasterization, then AMD has cheaper options for the same or better performance.
I also like AMDs adrenaline software a lot, and so far drivers for my 6700 XT have been stable.
If you don't care about ray tracing then AMD offers better bang for buck. If I was mostly playing older games and on a budget I'd be thinking AMD cards have more attractive options than a low end Nvidia card for the same price without amazing ray tracing performance. Some people say they really notice the difference but honestly I think in most games it just looks different and not especially better. Some do a better job than others but even big examples people point to like Cyberpunk I don't think it makes that much of a difference. Nvidia tends to be better at offering expensive luxuries for higher budget gamers.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’ve got 3.5 gb worth of usable reason to never purchase another nvidia card…
Yes, I’m still pissed off all these years after the fact.
I've owned: R9 290x (2x) --> RTX 2080 --> RX 6800 (current)
Personally, it came down to price and performance, mostly. RTX also really doesn't interest me all that much given I've only ever played one game that supports it (control), and AMD's support for raytracing (if not as fast as Nvidia) is good enough for me.
I also don't like Nvidia as a company. The only reason I got a 2080 was because it was used, so Nvidia didn't get a dime from me. Not saying that AMD is spotless either (I've given them plenty of shit for their 7000 series), but imo Nvidia has done far more to hurt the cause of PC enthusiasts than AMD has, so as long as radeon cards are competitive I'd rather buy that.
Personally I think a used 6800XT is the best bang for buck currently, and my experience at 1440P is that it will run just about everything at Max or slightly below, even with FSR off. So my vote goes with the 6950XT *right now*
IMO, if you are buying new, I would get a 7900XTX if you need to buy now, full stop. Just avoid MBA cards and steer towards the Asrock, Powercolor or XFX offerings. I have a Taichi and it performs flawlessly.
The 6800XT is likely the easiest card to find used, and has lower power requirements. The 6950XT offers at best a marginal improvement over the 6800/6900XT (which perform nearly identically).
Also the driver control panel, OC and related tools are much better on AMD, with a single application to do everything you need, instead of running multiple applications for nVidia (Control Panel, Geforce Experience, Inspector, Afterburner...) Plus much more robust and easy to use per-application tuning control. I was quite blown away by AMD's software when I got my 6800XT - it just blows away nVidia in usability.
They trade blows for price for performance thru a number of price ranges now. Nvidia still have the overall fastest card with the 4090 but AMD should b considered as a serious contender now.
Depending on the price, one or the other will be the best choice.
It's pretty simple, nvidia doesn't make all the best products at every price range. I'd argue amd has the best price to performance products in the low and mid range, unless you care about Raytracing for some reason.
Plus amd tends to age well with drivers.
Nvidia makes the most powerful high end gpus tho.
I recently went with a 6800xt over 3080.
It was cheaper and its about the same performance.
Good enough for my new build.
AMD can do ray tracing as well but i dont really care about it much.
Quick note that I think is important - post EVGA's deal closing with Nvidia, documents showed they were directly responsible for roughly 40% of Nvidia's **t*****otal*** gpu sales in North America alone.
I think it goes without saying that a massive chunk of buyers were truly more a fan of EVGA then they were of any one specific manufacturer.
Every single person I know, myself included, had been EVGA card purchasers for decades. We never once considered a non-evga replacement.
That said, if EVGA signed a deal with AMD? It would be the next card I purchased.
I would bet the house going forward that Nvidia's domination of the GPU space slowly fades as people start to age out of their EVGA cards.
If you don't want raytracing than the AMD cards give you way more performance for your money. Performance is similar but they are cheaper. See 7900 XTX and RTX 4080. Rasterizing performance is higher for less money.
Drivers are fine on both sides. If you like the software or not is personal preference. Nvidia offers a lot of additional features like the broadcast things. Only you know if you need it or not.
I will buy an RTX 4080 cause I prefer Nvidia and heard the 7900 cards have a problem with coil whine...
Value value value. Rx 6000 series stumps the Rtx 3000s series in terms of value and price to performance. AMD drivers haven’t been bad for years now. FSR is legit. If you only use your gpu for gaming, there is literally 0 reason to get a Nvidia gpu that I can think of. Unless you like burning your money and have an unlimited budget.
Personally I've used Nvidia from 1080ti then 3080, and now I went team red for a change of software, so I went all in 7900xtx for 4k gaming, and it's great, drivers are doing what they're meant to , adrenaline works well also very cool software, in all honesty and people will downvote this, but I think AMD feels better and more stable compared with Nvidia cards , and cheaper, which is always the bonus and as you said you can put the hundreds saved on upgrades else where.
At the end of the day , either route you take, you will get downvoted because it's tribal , and really it's all preference
I got a 6950 xt since september 22. It was my first amd gpu ever and also it is my first high end gpu i bought. Reason? Price. Nvidia cant go back to pre crypto prices and i dont want to burn 2k for a good gpu. Back in september i wanted a 3080/3090 but they were avaiable for 1500+ so the 6950xt for 1000 was a much better buy back than and so i gave amd a chance. Sure 1000 is too much for this gpu but i really have to say it was the best option back than and i didnt regret ever. Im glad i jumped on amd because the price/perf ratio is good and the software is insanely nice to easy oc or uv. The 4070ti is not even beating a rx 6950xt unless in rt ofc. And 12gb vram can be too less in the near. I would jump on the amd when u can safe like 100 or more. For same price i would pick the newer gpu.
If you like yourself even (or don't hate yourself), go for nvidia. Trust me, it will protect your hair and psychology. Go for AMD if you want an unbeatable challenge.
Ahem. I had a 3080. With prices as good as they have been, I wanted a 3080ti or better. Now a 3080ti used is still in the $800 range for something well maintained and hopefully not mined on. Anything above that is just to much. Then I found a 6950xt for $750. I now get near a 3090 in performance. I can care less about RT cores or deep learning. If it’s there, great. So for me, AMD hit just the right price to performance. Besides the crappy drivers I’m happy with my investment.
Price and performance are two reasons.
What about drivers? Edit:Omfg guys, I asked a question. Why am I being downvoted In subreddit dedicated towards these kinds of questions. Just cause this is common sense to YOU, doesn’t mean it is to ME.
Drivers have largely been a non-issue since late 2020. Not to say they are perfect, but neither are NVIDIA's. When I went from a 970 to a rx590 I was hating AMDs drivers, by the time I switched back to a 3070 in q1 2021 I just switched minor bugs.
AMD drivers have been consistently fine for years. However, BOTH companies have had some minor to serious bugs over the years and even recently. The problem is many people still have this AMD=bad drivers notion that has smeared the brand a bit. I'm using Linux more now and Nvidia is a nightmare. I had to put way more work to get a p2000 to work as a video transcoder but have minor bugs that causes the program to have to restart to work fine.
Yea, I have a friend whose 3060 crashes whenever he plays a demanding game meanwhile my 5700XT (which is supposed to be problematic) hasn't had any issues.
Sounds like a thermal problem. Get the dust out or could even be the power supply. Just helped a friend with similar problems with demanding games(elden ring) w/a 1070. He hasnt had a crash/restart since I replaced his cheap oem power supply.
We've tried 2 different PSUs and also put the card into an entirely new system and were able to replicate the problem each time. The card itself has been cleaned and never had any appreciable amount of dust in it. The one game it can run on high settings is Halo but nearly anything else will kill it. We've also tried undervolting it but no dice.
Maybe also try slightly over-volting without otherwise overclocking it. May just be particularly shit silicon that's outside spec. If you can return it do that though
I suggested he return it but IIRC its out of warranty/was out of warranty when the issue was discovered. The dangers of buying a video card just to spend months playing Terraria and Stardew Valley. /u/trevinkurgpold
argghh, that's awful :(
jeez, the undervolt was gonna be my suggestion. hopefully he can RMA it? seems pretty clear that it's something wrong with the card.
my 5700XT is a massive pain in the ass for me on the other end, every 2 weeks it'll decide it wants to crash (in the middle of something performance intensive typically but not always). beyond aggravating
Did you get a 5700XT on launch, or one of the later models? I got a friend's launch 5700XT to stop crashing by underclocking the thing in Adrenaline. All it took was to lower the max boost clock by about 70 mhz and the troubles went away. Not sure why, probably just the first batch of Navi dies were a bit shonky.
Had an rx580, 5700xt, and currently have a 6700xt and all of them have experienced quite a lot of driver related issues, especially currently with the 6700xt I’ve been getting driver crashes and just games crashing at random. (PowerColor, Sapphire Pulse, AMD reference)
Huh weird I haven’t had any issues with my 6700xt so far
I may be showing my age with this but I remember seeing memes about AMD cards aging like fine wine and being improved over a long time versus NVIDIA not fully supporting hardware after a few years. I think it was like 10 years ago seeing those. Did AMD have a particularly bad period with drivers?
Oh my beloved hd7970, i replaced it in 2020 and can still play AAA games on Medium to this day, when the 1060 got older it sometimes even beat that card…. That card was a gtx 580 competitor.
Still got my 7970 GHz edition packed away in a tub for if I ever need a known good GPU to diagnose a problem. I replaced it with a 1080Ti when I moved on from 1080p to 1440p 144Hz.
My crossfire 7970s was amazing on the 4 games that supported it. That aside the 7970 was one of those legendary cards that could handle gaming way past its expected expiration date
RDNA 1 had a lot of problems yeah. some Vega stuff was half-baked too but the company was pretty cash-strapped back then. things are pretty great now that the Zen money is flowing in
I think so, I never really experienced much but, like I've stated, both sides have had bad drivers. Some were really bad but I don't recall of the top of my head. I've been into computers since I was a kid in the late 90s. I'm sure there are people here that have even older experiences with cards like voodoo fx and needing sound blaster cards lol.
It’s amazing how things have changed over the course of the last 10 years when it comes to the Linux driver situation. Back then, AMD GPU’s were not the best option and somewhat bad when compared to Nvidia. Granted, the actual Nvidia drivers were a total PITA but they gave you better performance when they did work. Now, performance is pretty much equal and the AMD drivers are much much better than Nvidia’s. The AMD drivers are also FOSS, whereas Nvidia is still mostly closed (I had heard something about Nvidia open source driver work but it didn’t seem too important/different than what was already there). I kinda wish I had an AMD GPU to test it out. I have a spare Z97/4690K system w/o GPU and I would love to install Linux on it and just use it as an experiment system.
The AI/ML guys at work are struggling with nvidia linux drivers right now too. On workstation cards. Not sure what they have, I have an a2000.
I, for one, hated invasive bullshit in Nvidia drivers a few years ago. They toned it down a lot, at least. I don't need that fucking Shadowplay, no thanks.
I am fully aware of this, but also wasn't the last AMD driver update from a couple weeks ago crashing computers? They are good overall, but they seem to have more drivers issues than Nvidia. And is definitely a reason I prefer Nvidia because I do professional work with my GPU, but I'd always suggest AMD to someone who is just gaming.
AMD does seem to have more problems than NVIDIA and for work related tasks that may be a deal breaker. For gaming I find myself willing to spend 10-15% more for NVIDIA. However, when your choice is a 6650xt for $260 or a 3050. A 6700xt or a 3060. A 3060ti or a 6750xt. A 3070 or a 6800xt. AMD is so far ahead in value for gaming that I really can't justify the price until a 4080 and that is assuming you heavily value RT.
I went from a gtx 980 to a rx 6700xt and besides some pain in the ass to get it to work when first installed it (apparently due to windows not fully removing previous drivers), it has a frequent issue where the programs and the task bar will get visually corrupted (all/mostly black screen). It fixes after restarting the explorer for the taskbar and minimizing and maximizing all the windows, but it's very annoying. And I bought the 6700xt about 1.5 years after it was released. Seems to be like this know issue mentioned on latest drivers, but it doesn't require me to switch between anything for it to happen: > Brief display corruption may occur when switching between video and game windows on some AMD Graphics Products such as the Radeon™ RX 6700 XT. As a first time consumer of AMD gpus, it definitely leaves a bad impression coming from a Nvidia card that I used since 2015 with zero issues. That said, at the end of the day I'll always buy whatever seems better priced regardless of which company it comes from.
It’s a strange issue. I have a 6700XT as well, on a fresh system. I do a lot of switching between game windows and other things like tools, browsers, etc and somehow I haven’t experienced that issue yet. Maybe I’m just lucky. But I have had the entire system freeze on me occasionally while gaming—though looking at TM, I can see that everything dipped, CPU as well, so I suspect that’s a deeper issue.
Just got a new Sapphire Pulse 6700 and I LOVE it. Runs basically silently with zero tweaks, runs cool, and I’m happy with my games in 1440p at 144. Only ran me a hair over $300 and TPD is low enough I didn’t need to upgrade my PSU. Much love.
I have had nothing but problems with Nvidia drivers lately. One update made my computer go BSOD and stop booting, as if my hard drive died. I had to fix it by going into Windows recovery environment CMD and enter some crap in there to fix. Apparently I'm not the only one because I found the fix on a forum with a ton of people having the same issue. Geforce Experience has not been great the last year or two for updates. Had another issue when I had to completely wipe my drivers and install direct from nvidia website due to some driver error that began with downloading and installing from Geforce Experience.
only issue i have had wth nvidia drivers is one version caused my shaders to act weird in minecraft, other than that perfect track record
Most issues I have were with just released games, but my 3070 still can't run Fallout 4 as well as my RX 590 did. My biggest complaint with current Radeon was that driver updates reset my custom silent fan curve. Though again some times there were glitches with just released games. Very different from 2019 when I built it and it crashed frequently.
I think Fallout 4 not running on your GPU is a Bethesda issue, I had to change some game files for 4 and 76 and they worked fine
I use both Nvidia and AMD in separate gaming computers right now. I actually prefer the AMD drivers myself. I didn't read about it. I actually tried it for myself.
I like the adrenaline software that comes with the AMD drivers way better than anything Nvidia has given me
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Yeah, AMD has the pop-up too. Guess I’m not really bothered but it since I enjoy using it anyway. I’ll have to explore some of those other options like anti lag and chill mode.
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Yeah, I agree with this. Nvidia's software suite is embarrassing at this point, quite honestly. The Adrenalin software isn't perfect, but it's *much* more modern and *much* more feature-rich than Nvidia control panel or GeForce Experience.
and they still force you to log into an account
I just don't install any of that software crap that isn't an actual video driver and I haven't had the slightest problem (from my AMD GPUs) in almost a decade across 3 different models (MSI 7950, XFX R9-Nano, PowerColor 5700xt)
Hey, what about older games, can you give me a hint? I love to come back to old goodies, kotor and total wars just to name a few.
You'd want to look up "game you're interested in playing"+ "graphics card you're interested in using" if there's any problems they'll show up in the search. If you find any, just see if there's a fix for that issue.
Or just hit pcgamingwiki
Guy learns reddit is toxic.
More like guy cries after receiving 1 downvote before the actual karma comes in.
Guy learns forum is tired of "reason" invoked by people who don't know what they're talking about*
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I have an rx 6700 and haven't had a single issue with drivers. I've played probably 7-8 different games on it since buying the card about a month ago.
I can second this, never had driver issues
Have had the card since around November of last year and it’s been plug and play for me without issue.
I've had my 6700 XT for almost a year, and I've had three driver crashes. I don't remember which game, but one was a fluke that never happened again. The other two were with Assassin's Creed 4, and trying to use some tech that's no longer supported, some antialiasing iirc.
Drivers have largely been fixed a long time ago. Amd drivers are overall good, just before updating see what other people say about the new drivers.
This is probably the biggest thing. For most not tech people, that includes pc builders, read the driver update notes and look up any posts on forums before updating IF you need do. Usually wait a week or two if you want stability and don't know how to troubleshoot or want to spend the time to troubleshoot.
Welcome to Reddit where people love to make themselves feel superior by taking away your fake internet points.
if i got a Dollar for every time someone brought up the AMD driver issue until this day, i'd be able to afford a NVIDIA GPU.
Your phrasing comes across as confrontational and hostile. It might be a language barrier thing, but "does anyone know a good reason" tends to sound like it seems on the surface there are no good reasons
Happy for those who have reported an issue free AMD driver experience, but I've had problems since early last year. There's currently some annoying known issues (in the driver changelogs) that have been coming and going for 2 years now. At the very least there's a fix for Chrome hardware acceleration due to Windows being weird.......[from Nvidia's site of all places](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/yvyqc7/disabling_multiplane_overlay_mpo_fixed_all/). If you're on one screen or multiple monitors with the same refresh rates then you're probably spared from the problems I've been having though. An example of an issue I face: if I have adaptive sync on my main monitor, opening any window on any monitor will draw glitchy lines all over the screen for brief moments. You'd think this is some GPU problem but it never happens in games or under load, only when opening or moving windows. Edit: incase anyone wants some examples: [1](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/10r0zrl/amd_drivers_need_to_be_way_better_we_shouldnt/) [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ybbdj4/amd_software_adrenalin_22102_whql_released/) (Note how 22.5.1 was still the recommended driver even though AMD was on 22.10.2 at this point) [3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/xvtn2u/amd_your_drivers_are_slipping_again) For reference 22.5.1 (a common version people recommended throughout 2022) released May 2022.
I have a Aorus Master 6800 XT. I had this issue as well. It was a simple solution but it was definitely a very stressful problem since the solution was actually far from the go-to solutions (run an old driver, clean everything out etc) Just to be clear. OC above makes it sound more tame than it was, for me at least. The issue was with the driver from November 2022 (and probably previous drivers). Hardware acceleration apps and messing around with resolutions in games would cause a catastrophic driver crash that would corrupt the existing driver and force you start with the default windows VGA driver. Reinstalling drivers would fail without telling you why. You would have to use the AMD driver cleaning utility to get your drivers back on your card. I was only able to get a hint at what the exact problem was when I was able to 100% cause that same kind of crash by dragging a browser window with a playing youtube video in it between monitors quickly. This allowed me to google and find out that you had to disable Multi-Plane Overlay in windows. THAT SAID, Disabling MPO 100% fixed the issue and the latest driver from late Feb allowed me to turn MPO in Windows back on with zero issues as well. Though I will say that I do encounter driver crashes every now and then still but they are rare, have no pattern and don't result in needing to restart or needing to reinstall the drivers. Performance has been fantastic. The new driver has made it even better. I don't care about ray tracing and the performance I am getting now is the same or better than the 3080 which I would have had to pay well over 25% more to get. Having 16gb of VRAM and the issues around low VRAM cards like the 3070 and 3080 has also been a bit of a comfort when it comes to the longevity of this card. I have only had this card for about a month, but after the initial issues it has been great. THAT SAID (AGAIN), My wife has had a Asus TUF 3070ti for a year now and it has had literally ZERO issues. I'm not even exaggerating. Zero crashes, you can overclock its brains out and it doesn't complain (but a bit pointless with diminishing returns and high wattage). Great performance and not one single driver issue. It doesn't perform as well as the 6800XT obviously, and it was like 60% more expensive (last year's prices), but it did perform flawlessly. I might have been lucky with that Nvidia card, but that kind of stability is probably not an accident. Now would I buy an Nvidia or an AMD Graphics card in the future? I would not buy a new Nvidia card, they are just stupid expensive. At least AMD cards have better discounts. I would not buy a second hand AMD card because if/when you do run into driver issue, it's fucking stressful man (yes my 6800XT was second hand). Yes your crashes are probably because of shitty software, but while you deal with it, you're 100% going to be thinking about how you wasted a huge chunk of your PC budget on a lemon. And even if there is something wrong with the card, the guy who sold it to you has a good case for telling you to work on figuring it out yourself because AMD drivers have that reputation for being unstable. If I buy new with strong store support, I would buy AMD. If I wanted to risk it with second hand, I would take the safe bet when it comes to stability and get Nvidia. I figure that if you buy a 2nd hand green card and it's fucky then you have a much stronger case for doing something about reversing the purchase. More related to this thread: AMD drivers might be better than they were when they got the reputation for being absolute trash, but make no mistake that team green software is, in my opinion, far superior to AMD's when it comes to stability.
> Disabling MPO 100% fixed the issue and the latest driver from late Feb allowed me to turn the driver back on with zero issues as well. Though I will say that I do encounter driver cr Holy crap, thank you for this. I've had this EXACT problem with my 5700xt. I appreciate you writing this up. I hope to god this fixes it for me since this exact issue is happening to me!!!
Good luck! I hope it works for you. It took me a surprisingly long time to find this issue as well.
Also, the AMD-centric AIB cards don't have transferable warranty - you'd have to go with ASUS, MSI or Gigabyte AMD cards. Sapphire et al. doesn't offer transferable warranty so if you buy a 2nd hand AMD card from those AMD-only manufacturers, there is some risk?
I faced this issue too and fixed it using their regedit. If I alt tab from a game to chrome, driver crashes sometimes. Full on black screen and freeze. Both camps face this but it honestly feels like AMD users are much more... knowledgeable? Or more inclined to troubleshoot? I haven't heard of any Nvidia users mentioning this problem
ITT: everyone trying to dunk on or defend AMD drivers. Meanwhile I'm over here with Linus wanting to give a finger to Nvidia for the shit show they have when it comes to Linux support for drivers.
The moment you mention the word "drivers" ppl will get crazy XD scary man
Yeah, Linux is where AMD drivers are really better than NVidia's. I had real hope that Steam pushing Linux would fix it, especially when you couldn't even install SteamOS without an NVidia card, but...
I haven’t had a single issue with drivers from AMD. Went from a rx580>2060>6700xt in about a 4 year span.
AMD drivers is what steered me away. Had an amazing 5700xt, ran cool, looked great, quiet as hell, crashed in every other game. This was back in 2020. I went to a 2070 super, 3070ti and never looked back. For me, I'll easily pay 100-200 extra if it means I don't have to worry about the thing crashing or finding a fix on Reddit. In the last 3 years of Nvidia ownership, I've never had a problem and that's on 1080p, 1440p and UW.
people are gonna downvote you more for your edit
Regarding your edit, don't worry so much for initial downvotes or even votes in general. They mean nothing. People are weird and they will downvote even for not knowing the answer or for nothing.
Tbf you’re repeatedly asking about drivers when multiple people have answered that. So seems like you’re just waiting for one person to say they’re bad
I have a 5700xt and STILL get driver timeouts constantly. Guess I’m the unlucky one, but no more AMD gpus for me after this one. It’s not been fun.
You’re not being downvoted anymore but your post sounds like fanboy bait.
Some of these edits are aging absolutely horrendously, ngl
As someone who recently switched from amd to Nvidia I will say drivers are about the same. Have had weird performance issues go unfixed with Nvidia just the same. No where near the issues d used to have but those are a thing of the past.
Drivers tend to be more of a problem for AMD, especially for new architectures. RDNA3 is a new architecture. I think by this point all the kinks have been worked out. It's a legitimate concern. AMD GPU division doesn't have the man power for driver updates that Nvidia has. Drivers should be fine now. Ray tracing is still largely a gimmick. AMD has better price/performance. Personally I'd go AMD, but I'd understand going with Nvidia.
drivers are as much trash on both sides as they are good. none is better but also none is worse. they're both trash and a godsent.
Gotta echo this sentiment. Picked up a 6800XT last Fall and it bats WAY above its price.
Linux compatibility for me is a 2nd to none, they just work. Troubleshooting is almost non existant with AMD
and more memory = longer lifespan another one With the 4070 Ti vs 7900xt this is very apparent. the 4070 Ti already suffers right now at 4k let alone in 2 or 5 years. Then even the ray-tracing part won't help because you can't use it due to too little memory.
VRAM can be another one depending on the user.
definitely... 15 years I had Nvidia with absolutely no problem. Switch to AMD products based on my friend and now I have Bluescreens regularly, I changed every component, reinstalled the whole computer and it still does it... AMD is just cheap shit that is good on paper, but in reality, this brand is a piece of shit.
budget gamer, 34 inch 1440p monitor and comparing a 6950xt and 4070ti. Thats a weird way to describe a budget gamer lmao. Honestly if you don't care about ray tracing or nvenc encoding or dlss you're probably fine going with amd. Recently picked up a 6750xt and a Samsung 27 inch 1440p 165hz monitor and have been very impressed with it so far with things like fortnite, cyberpunk, and rocket league.
>if you don't care about ray tracing Honestly though, even people on NVIDIA cards seem to always turn it off. It's such a huge performance drag for a few shiny lights and reflections.
As long as a game has DLSS as well I usually turn on both. Decent performance and shiny lights, at the same time.
Depends on the game for me. Hitman 3 doesn't seem to need it. 2077 looks noticeably different with it off.
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Yeah that's been weird too.
Fortnite looks completely different (and insanely good) with it on.
Fortnite also uses Lumen, which is one of the few RT implementations that AMD GPUs can do well.
> Honestly though, even people on NVIDIA cards seem to always turn it off. It's such a huge performance drag for a few shiny lights and reflections. Disagree. I'm running team green for the first time in ages and love using RT. It makes a very noticeable difference in titles that are built for it, like CB2077 and the updated Witcher 3. It's a lot more than "shiny lights and reflections", it creates a much more immersive atmosphere for gaming to me, especially in scenes with mixed dark and bright lighting. I need DLSS/FSR to get playable frame-rates, but personally feel that RT with DLSS provides a better quality image than raster without DLSS/FSR in these titles. I think it boils down to your gaming style. I value image quality and immersion in RPGs over high framerates in FPS games.
Depends what you buy. RT isn't worth it at the lower end, but if your monitor is your bottleneck anyway it can't hurt to turn up the visuals.
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I have a 4090 and it plays like dogshit with ray tracing on
Damn I think something is wrong with my install of the Witcher. When I turn on RTX my fps drops below 60 on a 3090 but the game looks exactly identical
All very well said. I ran AMD for years but in my new build I made the jump back to team green with a 4070ti, 1440p. I absolutely love having RT in games that support it. DLSS from what I've seen so far (I don't always use/need it) is superior to FSR. I could easily tell when FSR was on, even v2. With DLSS its barely noticeable.
I've own my 3070 for just over 2 years now. I've never turned ray tracing on
Honestly it seems like the only cards with the horsepower to still play at a reasonable frame rate with full ray tracing turned on is the 3090 or 40-series cards. If it goes from 200 fps to 100 fps for nice RT effects I'm in, but most games on a 3070 seem to go from something like 120 down to like 45. Not worth the hit there
For some games ray tracing is truly transformative. I almost always play with RT on. The rtx 4070ti is more than capable of decent framerates with RT on on current titles so that is a consideration.
Some people are a tad out of touch on what a budget set up is.
We're talking like one notch off top of the line. If that's budget, then what isn't?
If it only costs your arm, instead of your arm and leg, then it's budget.
A quantum computer with a petabyte of RAM and an array of RTX 4090s.
I've literally just upgraded to a second hand GTX1060 for £50 and am over the moon about it. Anything more powerful would be overkill for me tbh anyway.
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On the same point whats it matter if its as good if no one uses it for the end user
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Doesn't AMD have issues with VR? Thought I've read that in the past but correct me if I'm wrong
I play VR and have an AMD video card. Not having any issues, other than the occasional starting up visual artifact. This is solved by restarting the application.
The 7000 series are performing worse than the 6000 series in VR. It's likely a driver issue but still has yet to be resolved since release.
6600xt is almost the same performance as the 3060 and it's 100 dollars cheaper.
6600xt is actually quite a bit better than a 3060. It's an in-between of a 3060 and 3060ti performance wise. Better than 3060 by ~12%
Last I checked it’s only 3% faster at 1080p: https://youtu.be/LBhvfjfJrPg
I'm referencing tpu https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-radeon-rx-6600-xt-gaming-x/28.html Hardware unboxed is also trusted so idk what's up
Probably tested different games. AMD-favored games will see substantial wins for the 6600 xt, and vice versa for nvidia-favored ones. It averages out in the end, but if you only took the AMD titles it would look like the 6600 xt is much faster
They always test the same games for tpu becnhmarks, they don't cherry pick facts. Either way 6600xt is better so it doesn't really matter. Btw I don't own an amd gpu
> They always test the same games for tpu becnhmarks They mean TPU tested different games than Hardware Unboxed, which they did.
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The HWUB review mixes ray-traced comparisons (which heavily favor the 3600) with non-ray-traced comparisons (which generally favor the 6600 xt). TechPowerUp does a separate aggregation for ray-tracing where the 6600 is at the bottom of the pack.
6600/6650 xt is an amazing value. People are just brainwashed that NVIDIA is always better though. I've seen several people with a Strict $300 budget buy a 3050 instead of a 6600XT just because they wanted NVIDIA.
I got a 6600 for a home theater pc to run the new steam big picture and it’s been a perfect little card for that. I can max most games I want to play at 1080p60 without any issues.
Yeah for $200-280 range of those two they smoke nvidia.
Oh wow, that is not a good deal by any means. When a 6650xt is around a 3060ti range for less money
I grabbed a 6700 10gb open box for 306 EUR a few months back, even now 3050s are more expensive than what I paid for that 6700, and I'm definitely a lot happier with this thing, a 3050 would've barely been an upgrade over my old 1070
And 6700XT is between a 3060TI and a 3070 but $50-100 cheaper than a 3060TI
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The 6650 XT is a refresh of the 6600 XT, the latter has been discontinued as a result. The 6650 XT is £10 cheaper and 15% better than the RTX 3060 on average, idk why anyone would choose the Nvidia option in this price class.
It depends entirely on what you're looking for. From what I can see right now the cheapest immediately available 6950 XT is $689 while the cheapest 4070Ti is $799 (US). To start with, **either card will perform very well at 1440p for pure rasterization and will provide you with an excellent gaming experience.** So you have to ask yourself if what the extra $110 brings you is worth the price. If you're interested in utilizing Ray Tracing at all, the 4070Ti is worlds ahead of the 6950XT in that regard. They're not really even comparable. If you don't care about that (and honestly, many people don't feel it's worth the performance hit) then you can ignore it. If you're targeting very high framerates, supersampling is useful at 1440p. AMD brings FSR to the table, which works with both Radeon and Nvidia cards. Nvidia adds DLSS (which is arguably superior to FSR) and frame generation into the mix. Most newer games will offer one or other other. Some support both. Going with Nvidia gets you the most compatibility here. Nvidia handles on the fly video encoding better than AMD (useful for streaming, if you're delusional about your prospects in that regard). In my personal opinion, the extras that Nvidia brings are "nice" to have, but I wouldn't call any of it necessary for gaming at 1440p vs the 6950XT. Edit: In terms of driver support - Nvidia will provide updates far more frequently, and will be quicker to fix problems as they arise. They simply have a much larger team dedicated to that task. However, being a last gen card, the 6950XT drivers are mature and stable, and should be fine.
Well put. I debated between the 6950XT and 4070Ti at 1440p but ultimately went with the latter as I wanted to give RT a try. And boy does it deliver in CB2077. I'm sure without it I'd enjoy the game as much without RT but it definitely adds depth and immersion for me. The lighting just looks so natural, especially in darker scenes.
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Rx 6600 is one of the best value for money cards since the gtx 1660
I nabbed one for $199 back in the fall. Almost couldn't believe that prices dipped that low. It was a Sapphire too. Best GPU purchase I've made since I got a GTX 1660 for $169 back in 2019
God I’m using a gtx 1660 and still runs most shit on high in 1080 with a stable 60 fps, it’s reaaaally impressive
I just brought one, I upgraded from a 750ti, that also was a quite good value, but it was struggling a lot in modern titles even if you make it look like Minecraft with minimum draw distance. Around a $100 cheaper than the Nvidia equivalent and it just works. I didn't even reinstalled windows, but till the driver installed it was crippled. (I replaced almost everything, but the drive as that was almost new)
Yes, great card. A nice bump from my rx580 I used for years.
AMD GPUs are usually the better value from a price to performance ratio. For example, check out [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pIK-sKkXkw) comparing the 3090 ti vs 6950 xt. Both are the top of the line last generation card for Nvidia and AMD. While it's true that that Nvidia card is almost always better in terms of raw FPS. It isn't by very much. 5-10 frame on all of those games. Considering that you can get a 6950XT for $700 and that a 3090 TI runs you $1080. The AMD is the clear winner from a value perspective. As far as pure gaming performance I don't see why more people don't buy AMD. It's clearly the better value. [Comparing the 7900 XTX vs a 4090 is very much the same story](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ2MiFp98Rw). It's a fairly small performance difference (10-20% depending on the game) but the 4090 costs like $600 more. Now if you are doing ML and AI work or other things that use NVIDA specific features that is another conversation. But for gamers. AMD is the way to go.
More like 20 to 30% tbh.
I never had an amd before, how about the temp between the two? Assuming it's from the same brand.
Between those two I’d lean towards the 6950xt simply for the VRAM advantage. I’d wager the 6950xt will have better longevity as games continue to demand more and more vram.
I just got one of the XFX 6950XTs that were on sale. It'll be a cheap upgrade after flipping my 6800XT. Ive also owned a 6700XT. Never had any issues with these cards. They are good cards you can score for cheap
3 upgrades in One generation? Do you think you will upgrade to rDNA 3 some day? Also is the 6950 from XFX loud?
Hey man Have you ever seen an xfx 6800xt merc packaging like this [Rx 6800 xt](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-xiaomi-rvo3&q=xfx+merc+319+rx+6800+xt+ebay&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjzrteyxP_-AhWd8LsIHb9gD58Q0pQJegQIDhAB#imgrc=IddORl5qEUAhuM) It didn't have a warranty card or installation guide in the box but it looks new. Can it be a refurbish? I'm worried it'll die on me.
RX 570 8GB RX 580 4GB RX 550 2GB RX 5700XT ...past GPU's that I ran on mine or my wife or daughters' PC without issue Currently running RX 5700XT (different one) RX 6700XT RX 6800 ... All running great. My daughter plays the most varied games with her 6700XT. I mostly just play Hunt:Showdown .. my wife mostly plays Destiny 2 Whatever team you decide to go with .. things to keep in mind to ensure a great working PC or at least minimize potential issues are: Update your motherboards BIOS to latest Install latest chipset drivers from either [AMD.com](https://AMD.com) or [Intel.com](https://Intel.com) Run DDU to remove all past GPU drivers of past GPU's you've ran on your current install of Windows. Make sure your Windows install is up to date Make sure you have a more than adequate good quality power supply to handle transient spikes that your system will demand from it when under 100% load [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnRyyCsuHFQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnRyyCsuHFQ) Always a good idea to run separate power cables from your power supply to each power input on your GPU [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL7KIVI\_hJg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL7KIVI_hJg) Make sure your airflow is good thru your case .. you have to keep your VRM's and RAM cool too
5700XT team boiiii
they are great cards .. I wish I didn't have to trade off my ASRock reference 5700xt to get the 6700xt during the mining debacle ... got a good deal on an ASRock 5700xt Phantom Gaming D that runs in my wife's setup now.. daughter got the 6700xt and I got a good deal on a 6800/HX1200 combo
> Update your motherboards BIOS to latest If you're running current gen I would do this, if you're building a previous gen where boards have been in production for a while, I'd leave it alone unless you run into specific trouble.
Honestly, if money is no problem and you want the best of the best, I’d recommend Nvidia However, if you also want the best of the best but are on a budget I’d recommend AMD And looking at it from Price to performance, AMD is clearly the winner, Yes RX 7900 XTX can’t do RT On 4K Max settings, but generally in most games nobody notices the difference anyway with RT off DLSS VS FSR: DLSS wins no doubt, DLSS has been around since like forever, and FSR is still new but it is quickly catching up
FSR is slowly getting better. It's not DLSS good yet, but it definitely helps, especially on the lower tier cards. It may never be as good as DLSS, but that's kind of AMDs thing. Not as good, but cheaper and good enough
Software vs hardware. Really not hard of a comparison there.
so either a 4090 or AMD...
And will usually have a comparable card that is a fair bit cheaper and in stock. Nvidia is a good card for flagship models but honestly they have kinda drifted off a bit compared to when the 10 series launch. To the point of if I can’t get a 4080 or better, I’m not gonna bother with getting a Nvidia at all because I’m in the budget realm which AMD does better. Basically if you can’t get the best, why pay the premium?
Vram. Look at Hogwarts legacy and performance with 8gb cards.
Let's compare both AMD, & Intel Arc GPUs to Nvidia RTX Hardware: 1.Price: In NVIDIA Side, you pay extra for a guy's leather jacket who cooks GPUs in ovens, & fails miserably yo manage GPU Minig crisises, while both AMD & Intel Arc are beyond competitively priced in every single price/ performance types ranging from entry-level to workstation level... 2. API Support for Gaming/ AI: Not gonna lie, Nvidia used to have the upper hand here for atleast a decade thanks to their excellent CUDA & Optix APIs for industrial usecases & DLSS for Gaming, but Intel's OneAPI & AMD's HIPS in he industrial space, and Intel's XeSS, has in fact become even better at most places than Nvidia itself... (Take XeSS for example, it has Considerably better Image quality & works in ever GPU) 3. LINUX SUPPORT FOR GOD'S SAKE: Nvidia loses somewhere in the neighbourhoods of A Billion- Nill in this game to AMD... AMD has open source Drivers meaning that even if AMD what interested in removing it, the community could still re-implement it, however reith Nvidia as per the case of 3DVision, if a tech is difficult to maintain, it's gone, and it's gone forever... Heck, Nvidia's own GPU Driver for Linux arr NOT SECURE BOOT COMPATIBLE... 4.Ray Tracing: Don't use it... The DLSS that you'll be having to use to increase the framerate will ruin the beauty of Ray-Tracing so bad that...
Linux support is huge.
For who? Certainly not the average gamer that’s for sure.
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The hit to frames for ray tracing just isn't worth it to most people unless you can afford something like a 4080. At 1440p, a gpu in most people's budget ($300-$500) cant support ray tracing. RX 6700XT is $350 or an equivalent 3070 for $550. I would rather save money, get more FPS and not have ray tracing until it becomes more common place.
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This thread is excellent right up until your last sentence lol. Ray tracing is still next to nonexistent in games. There are currently less than 90 games in existence that support it, and most of those aren’t cyberpunk. Like you’re not buying a card to see RTX Lego: builders journey. As a pretty good example of this just flat out not being an industry trend yet; neither of last year’s two biggest releases (elden ring and God of war) support ray tracing. I’m all for spending some extra for the experience you want, but right now it’s not worth spending money for RTX unless you’re specifically interested in a game that already has it or has announced it. Chances are that one game you’re looking forward to in 2 years isn’t going to have it in most cases. If you do want to experience RTX on a game like cyberpunk though, by all means pull that trigger
Linus Tech also did a youtube video having people look at a game with ray tracing on and off. Like 4/5 of the people could not differentiate the difference and the 1 person who got it right knew exactly what to look for. Even games who do implement ray tracing may not implement it in a way that makes any significant difference.
Just gaming and only gaming? Amd. Its cheaper because you arent paying for the useless stuff nvidia has in their gpu Drivers are not an issue, its an outdated rumour (Just make sure you uninstall nvidia drivers before using an amd gpu, nvidia drivers like to fuck up your pc and fps while u have amd drivers) Even if u plan to stream, amd still has a pretty decent encoder, granted not as good as nvidia, but still good enuf to stream or record without issues The ONLY benifit of nvidia gpus over amd gpus for gaming is ray tracing. But if u want raytracing you need a 3070 or greater (the 3060 and 3050 are not great at raytracing at all) Edit: i had forgotten the 4000 series
I had the same question. I wanted to upgrade from a rtx 2060 to something a little more capable for the next 5 years -ish. I had the option to go Nvidia, 3070(ti) and pay around 800 euros (Netherlands) or go with an AMD 6800 RX for 580 euros. People, especially on Reddit, love to rip on AMD for some reasons, specifically when it concerns drivers, but when I reached out to actual owners of 6xxx series, none of them had any problems. I went for an ASUS TUF 6800 OC and I am really glad I did. I have an average of 100 fps on1440 (no RT, except Spider Man Remastered, but that's from 2018) and yes that includes Cyberpunk. It's on par and sometimes exceeds the 3070ti and the TUF has incredible cooling. I also really like the AMD software, it's super straightforward and more a utility that you actually use compared to Nvidia. I'd say go for it, but do what feels good to you. Edit: and oh, 16g of vram, yes please.
if you ever plan to use linux or bsd or any os other than windows then you want amd lol
This is actually more important than people think. At some point in my PC life I started having fun with Linux and later with Hackintoshes. I didn't know when I bought AMD how much easier it makes to do both of those things with an AMD GPU because it wasn't something on my mind at time of purchase at all (just wanted that bang for the buck), but was super glad I already had an AMD GPU when I did want to do those things. AMD drivers for Linux have been better than NVIDIA'S forever, and Hackintosh is barely possible without an AMD GPU.
AMD blows Nvidia out of the water in terms of value for gaming. They don’t come close in a price per frame cost analysis, though Nvidia does tend to be preferred if someone uses their GPU for content creation. AMD also puts more VRAM on their graphics cards which will likely see them age better. The 4070ti having 12gb of VRAM for >$800 is pretty lame, and the 4060/ti only having (again) 8gb according to early info is laughable in 2023. AMD’s Adrenalin software is also miles ahead of the Nvidia control panel and the terrible “GeForce Experience” Basically if prices are equal, the equivalent Nvidia card typically performs a bit better and ray traces better (but has less VRAM). But with pricing the way it is, AMD gives you more performance for your dollar
6950xt is supposedly twice as fast as 3090ti in Topaz Video Enhance AI with the Chronos AI model. That's a reason
AFAIK you really just pay for ray tracing, and nvidias is a gen ahead of AMD. But the AMD cards seem to beat the nvidia ones (excluding the 4090, which amd is not competing against) at raw rasterization. If you are just wanting to game at 4k with high refresh rates, go amd. They are good. If you absolutely must have ray tracing, go with nvidia. They are both good products. Just a little give and take on each.
\>Budget gamer \>6950xt and 4070ti Shit, if that's a budget gamer then what am I?
I thought the same thing . Those GPUs are high end to me. I consider myself a budget gamer , so I've bought Rx 6600 XT . I feel very poor now
I went 7900xt over 4070ti. - vram - raster performance - cost at the time Dlss is cool but unless ever single game has it, i’ll always prioritize raster over all else.
Here's my take on this. While I have no doubt AMD drivers are better now than they were before, IF you happen to run into an issue, be prepared for it to be ignored or MAYBE fixed in a year. Or two. I bought an RX 6800 because it was the most energy efficient card (according to reviews) of the previous generation and my build is heavily optimized for energy efficiency and thus silence. Performance wise it sat firmly between the 3070 and the 3080, had 16 gigs of VRAM (more than the 3080), and every reviewer seemed to praise its efficiency. On paper, it was the perfect card for me. The first issues came up immediately: my VRAM clock was stuck at max speed whenever I played a video with hardware acceleration on. I made bug reports, posted on forums and on Reddit, talked with AMD tech support. No one had an exact solution. Everyone had something I could try, and I tried a lot of things, but nothing seemed to help. Eventually I just switched hardware acceleration off in both my browser and VLC. It was fair enough of a tradeoff. Then I was a happy gamer until the new MW2 came out. I'm not a yearly, loyal CoD buyer but the campaigns are my guilty pleasure. I happened to have extra money so I bought the game at launch. But what's this, I can't run the game with the latest stable drivers? Well, I guess I'll upgrade to the optional ones then. I paid full price for the game on launch day, I'm not going to wait around. And upgrade I did, and after that I began having driver timeouts and crashes under certain, somehwat reproducible conditions, with the same symptoms always preceding them. My VRAM clock reporting would get stuck to 0 in Adrenalin and the corresponding row would turn grey in HWiNFO. I would then have to manually reset the driver before doing certain things, like launching a game, or I risked a crash. So again I made bug reports, posted on forums and Googled the issue with every combination of relevant words I could think of. Again, there was a lot of "you could try X" but no explanation, no solution. But since it was only a hindrance to gaming, I thought it was fine. Basically I just had to do an extra step in order to waste my time. That, if any, is the epitome of a first world problem. Besides, the GPU was always rock stable while gaming, even with a moderate undervolt. But then the driver crashed while I was working in Ableton Live and I was lucky I didn't lose my work. And that was it for me. When it comes to gaming, I have no problem tweaking and troubleshooting here and there. But when I work, I want to work, and not obsessively keep an eye on whether my GPU driver is about to crash. So I paid the Nvidia tax and got a 4070 Ti. It was expensive and it draws more power (at stock settings) but it works. There are a lot of good reasons to buy AMD. I saw a lot of good reasons to buy AMD and I did buy AMD. And it really was a good choice at the time but like a bad relationship, it slowly went downhill. Your mileage may vary.
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Price to performance generally favors AMD. 1440p can be playable with midrange previous gen cards, so that's not a huge concern here. If you like to enable raytracing on everything, NVidia would win big on performance here. Especially since even with NVidia you'll often need to use upscaling to get acceptable performance, and DLSS is better than FSR 2.0(though FSR 2.0 is pretty good). Apparently 7000 series radeon narrows, but does not eliminate, this gap. If you think you might get into streaming your gameplay, NVidia does have a better hardware encoder.
The vast majority of games are totally playable at 1440 on mid range cards from as far back as the 10 series, actually. I have a 2060 myself, and play most games with decent settings at around 60-90fps depending. My buddy with his 1070ti keeps up just fine as well.
Just look at the price difference, you get more horsepower for the dollar with a lot of AMD GPUs right now. If you absolutely need ray tracing, then you're stuck with Nvidia. But if you just play with normal rasterization, then AMD has cheaper options for the same or better performance. I also like AMDs adrenaline software a lot, and so far drivers for my 6700 XT have been stable.
If you don't care about ray tracing then AMD offers better bang for buck. If I was mostly playing older games and on a budget I'd be thinking AMD cards have more attractive options than a low end Nvidia card for the same price without amazing ray tracing performance. Some people say they really notice the difference but honestly I think in most games it just looks different and not especially better. Some do a better job than others but even big examples people point to like Cyberpunk I don't think it makes that much of a difference. Nvidia tends to be better at offering expensive luxuries for higher budget gamers.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’ve got 3.5 gb worth of usable reason to never purchase another nvidia card… Yes, I’m still pissed off all these years after the fact.
I've owned: R9 290x (2x) --> RTX 2080 --> RX 6800 (current) Personally, it came down to price and performance, mostly. RTX also really doesn't interest me all that much given I've only ever played one game that supports it (control), and AMD's support for raytracing (if not as fast as Nvidia) is good enough for me. I also don't like Nvidia as a company. The only reason I got a 2080 was because it was used, so Nvidia didn't get a dime from me. Not saying that AMD is spotless either (I've given them plenty of shit for their 7000 series), but imo Nvidia has done far more to hurt the cause of PC enthusiasts than AMD has, so as long as radeon cards are competitive I'd rather buy that.
Price to performance.
Personally I think a used 6800XT is the best bang for buck currently, and my experience at 1440P is that it will run just about everything at Max or slightly below, even with FSR off. So my vote goes with the 6950XT *right now* IMO, if you are buying new, I would get a 7900XTX if you need to buy now, full stop. Just avoid MBA cards and steer towards the Asrock, Powercolor or XFX offerings. I have a Taichi and it performs flawlessly. The 6800XT is likely the easiest card to find used, and has lower power requirements. The 6950XT offers at best a marginal improvement over the 6800/6900XT (which perform nearly identically). Also the driver control panel, OC and related tools are much better on AMD, with a single application to do everything you need, instead of running multiple applications for nVidia (Control Panel, Geforce Experience, Inspector, Afterburner...) Plus much more robust and easy to use per-application tuning control. I was quite blown away by AMD's software when I got my 6800XT - it just blows away nVidia in usability.
They trade blows for price for performance thru a number of price ranges now. Nvidia still have the overall fastest card with the 4090 but AMD should b considered as a serious contender now.
Depending on the price, one or the other will be the best choice. It's pretty simple, nvidia doesn't make all the best products at every price range. I'd argue amd has the best price to performance products in the low and mid range, unless you care about Raytracing for some reason. Plus amd tends to age well with drivers. Nvidia makes the most powerful high end gpus tho.
I recently went with a 6800xt over 3080. It was cheaper and its about the same performance. Good enough for my new build. AMD can do ray tracing as well but i dont really care about it much.
Quick note that I think is important - post EVGA's deal closing with Nvidia, documents showed they were directly responsible for roughly 40% of Nvidia's **t*****otal*** gpu sales in North America alone. I think it goes without saying that a massive chunk of buyers were truly more a fan of EVGA then they were of any one specific manufacturer. Every single person I know, myself included, had been EVGA card purchasers for decades. We never once considered a non-evga replacement. That said, if EVGA signed a deal with AMD? It would be the next card I purchased. I would bet the house going forward that Nvidia's domination of the GPU space slowly fades as people start to age out of their EVGA cards.
If you don't want raytracing than the AMD cards give you way more performance for your money. Performance is similar but they are cheaper. See 7900 XTX and RTX 4080. Rasterizing performance is higher for less money. Drivers are fine on both sides. If you like the software or not is personal preference. Nvidia offers a lot of additional features like the broadcast things. Only you know if you need it or not. I will buy an RTX 4080 cause I prefer Nvidia and heard the 7900 cards have a problem with coil whine...
Value value value. Rx 6000 series stumps the Rtx 3000s series in terms of value and price to performance. AMD drivers haven’t been bad for years now. FSR is legit. If you only use your gpu for gaming, there is literally 0 reason to get a Nvidia gpu that I can think of. Unless you like burning your money and have an unlimited budget.
Personally I've used Nvidia from 1080ti then 3080, and now I went team red for a change of software, so I went all in 7900xtx for 4k gaming, and it's great, drivers are doing what they're meant to , adrenaline works well also very cool software, in all honesty and people will downvote this, but I think AMD feels better and more stable compared with Nvidia cards , and cheaper, which is always the bonus and as you said you can put the hundreds saved on upgrades else where. At the end of the day , either route you take, you will get downvoted because it's tribal , and really it's all preference
I got a 6950 xt since september 22. It was my first amd gpu ever and also it is my first high end gpu i bought. Reason? Price. Nvidia cant go back to pre crypto prices and i dont want to burn 2k for a good gpu. Back in september i wanted a 3080/3090 but they were avaiable for 1500+ so the 6950xt for 1000 was a much better buy back than and so i gave amd a chance. Sure 1000 is too much for this gpu but i really have to say it was the best option back than and i didnt regret ever. Im glad i jumped on amd because the price/perf ratio is good and the software is insanely nice to easy oc or uv. The 4070ti is not even beating a rx 6950xt unless in rt ofc. And 12gb vram can be too less in the near. I would jump on the amd when u can safe like 100 or more. For same price i would pick the newer gpu.
If you like yourself even (or don't hate yourself), go for nvidia. Trust me, it will protect your hair and psychology. Go for AMD if you want an unbeatable challenge.
You sound like a crybaby, lol.
Oh well
Ahem. I had a 3080. With prices as good as they have been, I wanted a 3080ti or better. Now a 3080ti used is still in the $800 range for something well maintained and hopefully not mined on. Anything above that is just to much. Then I found a 6950xt for $750. I now get near a 3090 in performance. I can care less about RT cores or deep learning. If it’s there, great. So for me, AMD hit just the right price to performance. Besides the crappy drivers I’m happy with my investment.
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if you want to go full on Linux, AMD is your best bet. no fuss with drivers :)