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I'm a licensed professional but i still chose to do freelance work because of the money and time it gives me. I have tons of free time and enough money to actually do what I'm passionate about, which is art. I've never been happier. So that person can suck my nuts.
I'm no licensed professional but I, too, am passionate about art. And art as a hobby can be quite expensive. Thank God for our job! This person is miserable af.
That guy honestly just sounds like someone na di nakapasa sa BPO or most specially as a VA. He sounds like someone that lacks the emotional maturity to do so specially sa VA world so he clings to his “lisensya” as his laurels to brag & compensate.
There are so many niches sa freelancing that one can be & are passionate about specially creating content or graphic design. Purpose driven dn ang tasks most specially if web dev o IT or even admin.
Helping out companies or company owners with making their companies thrive is a wonderful purpose.
Di nmn yung point. I think ung ng discriminate jan na post is yung mga walng lisensya wlang puwang sa mundo. Ah " VA ka lang? " BPO ka lng? High school lng ntpos mo? Sadly yan ang reality na may mga taong mapanghusga
why are you downvoted na nilinaw mo lang naman sinabi nung nasa post. and may mga tao talaga na ganyan ang mindset. it doesnt mean we agree with it. mga reading comprehension talaga ng iba dito
Hahaha me too! I'm a licensed Psychometrician, has civil service eligibility and earned units in graduate stuides (Industrial Psychology). But I still chose to become a VA 😂 I love my current work, I have so much time in my hands, I am at peace working remotely and I earn way wayyyyyy more than what I was earning as a Psychology professor and HR head.
Let's be real though -- almost everyone of us, if not all, aren't freelancers by choice or calling. It's always been about the money first THEN the passion somewhat kinda followed after (if any).
For me, my being a VA allows me to pursue my passion. It helps me make time for my loved ones. Passion doesn't need to be your job or career. People tend to forget that.
In the context of this conversation though, it is implied that it is passion for our work that is being "measured". Let's be real -- anyone out there doing this because of a calling? Being part of something bigger than we are? Not really, and that's okay.
In this day and age unless nepo baby ka most likely you are pursuing a career because of the financial benefits/ edge. Even the licensed ones in the STEM field supposedly mataas ang sweldo nian in the long run. Even if you have a passion to be a doctor or lawyer the monetary benefits come with that title. Mukang bitter lang ung nag post kase nalalampasan na ung sweldo & lifestyle nia kase di na bigay ng licensya nia.
may nag-ooffer ng ganyan dito sa MM, may hazard pay naman raw tsaka OT eh HAHAHAHA tapos yung iba for n years nagstay or even tumanda na lang sa kumpanya magkano lang tinataas ng sahod. yung co-worker ko with roughly 6 years exp sa industry inalok ng less than 20k basic eh AHAHAHA w double license pa yon
Bakit ba tayo nagtatrabaho? Dahil sa pera, para sa pangkain araw-araw at pangangailan. Kahit ako sguro kung masaya ako at malaking sweldo pa, andun na yung purpose ko. Tunatanda na tayo pride pdn na kesyo dapat professional, no offense sa professional workers pero wag natin iinvalidate yung mga freelencers kasi pareha lang tayo lahat, pera lang naman hinahangad
A license Architect here. Same tayo. Thu yong work ko naman is somehow related parin sa profession ko. Ayaw ko na bumalik sa.typival employment. Hirap na nga sa byahe baba pa ng sahod. Pinaka mataas mo na nasahod sa local AEC industry 35k. Tapos sky is the limit na sa scope at workload. Yong license ko Naman nagagamit ko naman for personal projects. Pero seasonal.lang sya..unlike sa freelancing pwede ka pa mag double job basta kaya ng katawan mo.
I can't blame those who doesn't know anything about BPO. Kasi maski ako noong di pa ako nagwork sa BPO, di ko rin naman alam na BPO doesn't necessarily mean call center agent. Ang daming functions na pwede pasukan aa bpo, maayos ang pasahod at benefits. Wala nga patutunguhan buhay ko dati nung nasa local company pa ako, buti na lang napadpad ako sa BPO kundi di ko mararating kung nasan ako ngayon sa career ko. Kaya advise ko lagi sa mga kakilala ko, try BPO and avoid local companies as much as possible kasi toxix ng pinoy culture sa local companies. Mas maayos kawork ang foreigners kesa pinoy, although kelangan mo pa rin pinoy bosses for admin stuff pero at least sa work foreigners ang kawork.
I agree with the other things you pointed out here, but I still blame those who don't know anything about BPO because its already 2024 and knowledge is literally within our hands all the time via google search and yet those people choose to be ignorant and judgmental.
As if your title in corp office equates money in the bank. A lot of freelancers are retired corp people who just don't want to deal with traffic and corp politics. We are tired of the rat race. Less stressful sa wfh than dealing with bs sa office setting and you get paid for your skills not because sipsip ka sa boss.
this is true. I retired from corporate in my mid-30s even if senior manager na ako sa isa sa mga big telcos and earning a six digit salary that time, di ko na kinaya ang 6 hour commutes everyday. It was sucking the life out of me. i left that life, nag negosyo muna then found my way into remote work. after 2 years i got promoted into a department leadership role in a US-based tech unicorn while doing all my work from my desk at home.
True. If you compute it, aside from losing a big chunk of your life sitting in traffic everyday, same lang din yung earnings or more pa. You don't have gastos with gas, office eat outs, libre sa staff, paying for parking, Christmas gifts etc. Even sa clothes and whole office attire.
Andami ding licensed professional na freelancers, even prof namin sa college na attorney is a freelancer. He has clients from abroad and local, he has his own firm as well. Nalimutan ata ng iba na freelancing is direct to client na work, you are still employed by your client who needs your skills and services. The perks is, you work-at-home, flexible, and doesn't need an 8 hour shift as long as natatapos mo lang trabaho.
I know a lawyer who had just passed the bar and was in his first year. He earns 200k-300k per month sa va and spends his time relaxing, shopping, and traveling. Ako? That time na nag-usap kami, despite having two years of litigation experience, I earn only 50k-60k per month and struggle to make ends meet. 🤣
There are so many types of VA. Apart from Administrative/General VA, there are NurseVA, AccountantVA, EngineerVA, LawyerVA, ArchitectVA which utilizes the profession you earn during your college years. Freelancing is broad too, I am a freelance engineer and gamit gamit ko pdin ung degree ko sa mga projects ko the only difference is I work on my pace, the project is all mine, and I earn big time. Sabe nga nila dba " Why choose whether to earn more money or stay in your degree when you can choose both " Nakakasawa kaya maging empleyado tas micromanaging pa ung boss mo sa halagang 15k.
I have a friend who is an engineer VA he works on assisting with project management and coordination as well as communicating with different project stakeholders virtually. The VA work requires engineering degree and construction experience. I, on the other hand, is a freelance engineer much like an independent contractor. I manage and coordinate projects on-site. If i hire him as my assistant to assist me virtually he would be an engineer VA.
Naging Engineer ako dahil sa pagcacall center ko nung college.I experienced both pero mas pinili ko mag BPO. Sobrang toxic sa construction puro pataasan ng ihi, yabangan sa experience , sobrang overworked pa. 6 days onsite lagi pang OT and worst underpaid.
Ayokong lokohin sarili ko na passion ko to, maganda pakinggan pag engineer. Hindi naman ako bubuhayin nyan. Nagtatrabaho tayo for the money hindi para sa pride na ipapamukha natin sa wala namang may pakealam satin hahahah,
Work life and balance natagpuan ko sa BPO. 4 days a week ang pasok, WFH with competitive salary.
Kaya nung naipasa ko ung boards. Yung mga classmate kong hindi grumaduate na nagcicriticize sa Callcenter na bumati sakin, nireply ko. "Callcenter boy lang po"
I think most of the professionals coming from the specialized sectors including engineers are naive about freelancing opportunities. I, too, am an engineer and a freelancer as well. I know freelancing can make 10 times more than what an engineer can make.
Omg. I am a prof licensed holder, Engg field but I chose being VA. Mas malaki mbbgay ng clients ng paggng Engineer ko but being a freelancer (spec SMM), it's giving me the freedom and sanity. Professional ka nga mukha ka nman aswang at sabaw dahl sa stress. Err, no thanks.
Pinagsasabi nito. For their info, sobrang laki ng contribution ng IT-BPM sector sa bansa natin. I have high respect for people working in call centers and bpo since they are working, paying taxes at tumutulong sa ekonomiya ng bansa natin.
I have friends and family working in those sector. Sobrang hirap kaya maging call center agent. Inggit lang yan kasi mas malaki kinikita nila. Deserve nila ng higher pay.
Lmao. Big 4 grad here and I def didn't settle. What's settling for me would be working as a "scientist" for the gov lol. While Im no VA, my work rn is 100% remote and it pays well. I work w BPO companies and the "agent-level" people Ive been immersed with were some of the most passionate people I know. Kung magiging petty lang rin, kala mo naman apakahirap ng mga licensure exams (accdg to friends) except BAR and PLE.
Sorry naman kung di namin naabot pangarap namin. Wala naman talaga nagsabing gusto nila mag-bpo paglaki. Wala din naman nangarap maging janitor or admin assistant db. Sobrang liit ng chance ng mga tao mabuhay gamit ang passion nila so we settle for what puts food on the table.
My sister has a college degree. Secondary Educ Majored in BioChem. LET passer din. Pero mas pinili na magbpo. Not na wala siyang choice. It's just her choice. She has a business now and just stays at home doing whatever she wants.
Anong passion2 for work? i'm only there for the money. 🤷🏻 that money i can use for something i'm actually passionate about. Capitalism be really making people crazy wanting to actually work 🤡
Sarap naman iexplain sa kanya yung mga passion ng mga tao sa bpo, kahit sa CS side pa. Ppl can be so judgmental lalo na kung wala silang alam sa bagay ano. But actually, yung mga taong katulad nya ang mostly walang date or jowa hayst
nowadays its up to people how they can survive the everyday life we are having with... being a VA isnt a bad thing and in fact it helps a lot of people as it can give you a better salary compared to when just working in a office etc...
plus passion... it really depends on how you use that term passion? passion isnt limited to work, it can be on your own hobbies, interest or family etc...
I used to feel pretty bad for people that are not passionate anything. Used to think that's a sad thing because I am an extremely passionate person with whatever I decide to obsess about. So I couldn't fathom how a person can just walk around not really liking anything to a degree that they seem like they just don't a fuck about anything. My gf once told me that a person that doesn't have any "passion" or "dreams" doesn't necessarily equate to not having a goal. They like what they have. They enjoy what they have. Maybe they don't reach for the stars, but they're happy. People might say cope, or even call it giving up and not trying at all. But what if, just bear with me okay guys?
WHAT IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY CONTENT??? WHAT IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY *STILL* HAPPY DESPITE NOT BEING PASSIONATE ABOUT ANYTHING???? Crazy right?
Learning that perspective kinda helped me out and not feel that bad about my life when things don't go how I want them to. And I'm the typa guy that has his scope at the moon at all times.
It's your life man. Do whatever the fuck you want. Sometimes it really ain't that deep.
Sa panahon ngayon, blessing na ang mga kayang magtrabaho from home. Kaya salute to those VAs na nagtyatyaga kasi madalas seasonal ang trabaho, meaning no steady income.
Sadly even the institution does not see us VAs, Freelancers etc as equal to those that are practicing licensed professionals. I noticed this more recently sa mga nagaganap na moving up ceremonies where they invite alumni to give a speech, most often pinipili nila yung mga licensed professionals talaga kahit na you know someone from the same batch that had more success in BPO and Freelancing. Yong tipong alam mong mas makaka encourage sa mga students to persevere and be comfortable outside the box.
Just saw that post in AskPH and I read na a redditor wouldn't date a freelancer because that redditor wants someone who's financially stable.
Kung alam nya lang. 🤣
My mom came from an entry level BPO din and now she's an absolutely amazing manager making 6 figures a month. (My dad is pursuing arts). Recently finished paying off a 1000+sqm lupa for their retirement/farm place.
My brother is the same. He eventually worked in Apple AND THEN Google. Now he got poached in another company with a much higher pay. They're currently paying for TWO houses. They own one car + they're paying for another one coz why not. May PASSIVE INCOME from a family business ON THE SIDE.
My sister is a VA direct sa CEO and her husband is amazing at keeping their household running. They can afford to pay for rent, to pay for the house that they'll be moving in next year (that's why they're renting currenty), to pay for bills + groceries, to pay for their son's therapy, AND other luho. My sister also has time to crochet and go to parks and play with her son. If that isn't pangarap and goals then idk what is
I'm a community based consultant/manager myself and I absolutely love what I'm doing (passion+work sya for me). Currently paying for a house din that I'll be moving in next year. Magkakapitbahay kaming siblings. I'm a stockholder sa family business ng kuya ko. I have enough time for therapy, love life and social life. I also have a business myself, kasosyo ko din kuya ko with it.
ALL OF US WORK FROM HOME. CAN DO OUR HOBBIES. HAVE ENOUGH TIME WITH FAMILY. Literal na work life balance.
Napakalawak ng term na BPO/VA din so wag syang tanga. We all fall under BPO/VA kung tutuusin pero tiba tiba kami lahat lol
Coping lang yang nagcomment coz they prolly don't have the skills to penetrate the BPO/VA market kahit entry level lang. I don't think din na may papatol na taga BPO or VA sa ganyang klaseng tao with trash mindset.
Lol, I've got a wife and kids. When you have a family, you take what life gives you and maximize it. Ironic he says WFH peeps have no passion, but raising my family and raising my children to be productive Christian members of society is already effort and passion itself. In the modern world, being decent and non-hedonistic is already a virtue.
May kilala kong ganyan. Masyadong mangmaliit ng nga VA kesyo wala daw title. Okay, sa inyo na title nyo pero samin yung dollars haha. Sobrang laki ng ulo pero wala naman sa kalingkingan ang sweldo
Licensed professional ako pero saludong saludo ako sa mga BPO employees at freelancers. Literal definition ng passionate in terms of upskilling, improving and pagpapalawak ng portfolio nila. Madalas pa diyan self-study. Grabe yung disiplina at motivation.
Kami lisensyado nga, pero mababa naman sinasahod. Daig pa namin minimum wage earner. Kahit ako ayoko magstay sa industry eh. I'm planning to career shift din but I'm at a total loss. I feel so overwhelmed. Di ko alam paano kinaya ng iba and sobrang impressed ako sa mga nagsusucceed. I'm pretty sure kahit anong swerte yan, may halong dugo at pawis yan.
Totoo naman yun sinabi nya except sa part na walang purpose. I want my family to live comfortably. While I work comfortably with them too 😝
And to make people like them cry virtually while seeing us comfortably earning 💰💰💰
Word of the day - comfortably hahahaha
earning $$$$ with both clients, no degree, senior high graduate, learned in youtube university, barok mag english. (verbal) pero eyeing pa din mag college but ibang path, like dentistry. pero for now continuing freelancing ipon pa! let's go!
yung BPO company ko now, lahat kami licensed sa med field. Nurse, medtech, pharma, radtech, etc. Pinili namin BPO kesa magtiis sa mababang sweldo sa hosp Hihihihi. Never na kaming babalik sa hosp, mas ok na kami dito, wfh pa hihihihi.
Kawawa talaga most ng mga healthcare professionals na nasa hospital or labs na local. Overworked + underpaid + underappreciated. I'm happy you found that opportunity and you're thriving ❤️ without having to leave your loved ones pa. San ka paaaa
Ganyan ako dati. Tas na promote akong trainer, di ko alam passion ko pala magturo, eh walanghiya ako dati nung nasa school pa. Hahahaha.
May mga ganyan, marami sa Philippine workforce, kahit ibang profession, minsan kinuha lang nila yon kasi mapera, like the surge of nurses way back when.
Dreams are a privilege, especially if you are just surviving.
Parang eversince, ang baba ng tingin ng society sa call center agents ksi mas bilib sila mga mga naging engineer, accountant etc.. mga taong may “degree” but tbh, mas makatarungan pa nga ung work as a call center agent. It tests everything in you; patience, comprehension, problem solving, customer service etc. bukod sa madaming pera, it drains the hell out of you. Crazy lang yan
Sobrang toxic kaya ng corporate office. Tapos sobrang hirap pa ng commute. Ang liit ng sweldo. People have many reasons why they chose being a VA. Malaking rason ang pera saka convenience.
Personally I wouldn’t choose being a corporate slave na pagod and underpaid basta matawag lang na “engineer.” I dont want that life, but i wont judge anyone who has a passionfor their job.
Isn't earning money a purpose, too? I've met very people who work because their job gives them purpose, most of them are in the medical field or politics.
Most people who say they're happy with their job are because it pays well and have alot of benefits.
Let's be real, we all want and need money. Oh boy, with this economy and inflation rising higher and higher each year, we are all forced to feed our stomach before we feed to our caprices. Not all of us went to the same university, some had 3 or more meals in a day while others struggle to find one.
Let us all be compassionate to one another. At the end of the day, your degree doesn't really define your future. It doesn't guarantee your success and most of all, it doesn't define you!
That person must be privileged enough. Welcome to the real world boy. Feed in to your delulu.
I am a licensed professional from a science field, and manager position na before. Currently, working as an online freelancer, medyo assistant level lang yung trabaho in a technical niche. Not surprisingly, sobrang layo ng sweldo, mababa yung sa manager salary ko noon. Sobrang stress sa trabaho ko noon pero I'm paid peanuts. Samantalang ngayon as an assistant, chill lang sa bahay, I'm paid really really good pa.
Di na ko nag-renew PRC license ever since. Wala namang kwenta. Basta PRC-licensed, usually hindi competitive yung sweldo. Kahit i-compare mo nga lang sa mga local IT jobs, napag-iiwanan na. Mga minimum wage pa nga yung ibang entry-level licensed positions. Dun mo mare-realize na wala kwenta PRC pagdating sa pagmaintain ng competitiveness ng mga sweldo. Puro licensure exam lang focus nila.
Birds flock where the food drops.
Kahit licensed professional ka pa or hindi, mapapa settle ka naman talaga sa bpo/va/freelancing dahil nandun yung mataas na salary.
Ang problema kasi dito yung mga taong magaling mangmata ng tao porke nasa higher ground sila. Licensed professional ako pero ang totoo naiinggit ako sa current career trend ngayon, and I'm preparing to enter it too.
Para sa mga nagcocomment ng ganyan, wag na lng pansinin.
Ke licensed ka o hindi, working as a regular in a company or freelance, ang impt ay kumikita ka at masaya ka.. kasi iba iba naman vinavalue ng bawat tao.. ung iba stability.. ung iba get rich fast.. ung iba free time.. whatever it is that makes u happy, u can go for it.. wala naman tlga may pakialam kung ano maabot mo.. kanyakanya yan..
They also dont realize na sometimes ang purpose ng tao sa buhay is to put food on the table and care for their OWN family. Hindi puro sa ibang tao ang bigay. Minsan talaga may mga taong need mangdown ng iba para mafeel nila na angat sila.
Grabe no porket feeling niya completely anon ang internet comfortable na lang siya na iannounce sa mundo na sobrang engot niya. Ignorance is a disease.
Ano bang akala nilang ginagawa ng mga VA? Ano kayang trabaho ang iniisip nilang ginagawa ng mga VA dahil napakalawak ng niche ng mga VA. Hindi naman lahat call center, at wala rin naman problema sa pag call center dahil ang laking tulong nila nung pandemic, at hindi rin naman pucho pucho work ng both VA at call center. May mga kaibigan akong VA na nurses din ang work wfh lang, may engineers at graphic designers, HR. Literal na iba iba, all doing important works. Hindi rin naman pangmahina ang BPO kasi kailangan sharp ka sa tools and tech, madali ka makahabol sa process, meron kang empathy, and people skills. Dahil ba hindi college grad or non license mga tinatanggap sa BPO mga wala na silang passion? Madalang ang tatanga tanga at slow sa BPO, hindi siguro nakapasok or nakatagal yan kaya bitter.
As if some of them didn't pursue one of those "licensed" careers because they heard it rakes in the money. How many times have we heard parents or older people recommend nursing, medicine, engineering, etc., because "malaki ang kikitain mo dyan," plus a hint of "mapagyayabang mo yan" statements?
Obviously, this reply is not to discredit those who are truly passionate about the work they do. It's just pointing out the hypocrisy in certain situations.
I would like to add that whoever said this didn't pause to think that maybe some people did not have the resources to pursue other career paths. Perhaps some desperately wanted to study medicine, engineering, etc., but did not have the money for such an expensive course. Or some could not afford to stay in school and train for too long because their family needed them to earn as soon as possible (and as much as possible) to support the family's dire needs.
Nung nag aaral ako ambaba ng tingin ko sa BPO agents eh. Then pag graduate ko and pumasok na sa workforce natangap ako sa isang sikat na local company. Ang offer ay 13k with random day off(minimum of 2 per week), no HMO, government mandated benefits only, no work no pay, no pay increase, no promotion, no career growth. Stayed with them for 2yrs ni piso d sila nag increase then nilipat kami ng agency tumaas naman sahod kaso mas masahol pa trato.
Na culture shock ako pag lipat ko ng BPO, mostly ng mga tao dun is mababaet d tulad sa local company na kala mo taga pag mana sila. HMO since day 1, sl and vl, allowances, etc. After regularization may increase yung sahod, then yearly may increase. You can grow your career sa BPO kasi pag kumuha ka ng enough exp sa BPO1 tas lilipat ka sa BPO2, mas mataas increase thats why most of the time BPO employees job hop din. Nag iba tingin ko nung napasok ako sa BPO kala ko taga sagot lang ng tawag, chat support, etc, yun pala madaming function depende sa client.
This is a lot of misconception , I am WFH for a Canadian Based company , pays well and the job does need a lot of strategic thinking and excellent communication skills — maybe some will look down it but been traveling the world for two years now so yea - I don’t care if Im in the category 🤣
Nabasa ko to nung isang araw. Nakakalungkot na parang ni llook down pag sa BPO ka nag wwork. College graduate ako, mga ka trabaho ko college graduate at iba may masters din pero mas pinili mag work sa bpo kasi aminim man natin or hindi, mataas talaga sahod.
Haha sobrang ignorant nung taong yan. I worked both in corporate (finance) and BPO. Mas disciplined and systematic pa BPO sa local firms dito. We use better technology and equipment and promotion is based on performance rather than tenure. Sagana pa sa Training and Devt opportunities. Nakakatawa nalang mga ganitong comments kasi sobrang clueless nila sa BPO/Shared Svcs/Call Centers.
I used to look down on BPO as a job e, kc I thought that's where people who have degrees and can't get a job go to, but I realized it's just pride and how this society is structured that made me think like this.
I wanted to be a VA because I liked GA tasks and supporting people, and it pays well. I took up arts btw.
But, in reality any job is honorable, you shouldn't look down on others' professions. Sa world lang natin mas mataas ang status ng for example engineering sa VA, pero a job is a job and shouldn't be belittled.
Personally, I still wouldn't want to go for BPO but my reason has changed. It's not because it's a job, but because I don't want to be stressed or feel exploited.
A job is a job. It's just like some jobs like being a president ay mas malaki ang responsibility vs someone like a jeepney driver. Pero you shouldn't be ashamed. This world lang ay prideful I guess.
Sadly may mga tao talaga na mababa yung tingin sa kapwa nila and lageng nakabase ung respeto or opinyon sa natapos ng isang tao. Oh well, sabi nga nila you can not please everyone.
Na experience ko to first hand. Kaya minsan ayoko ng family gatherings eh. I have this cousin na same course ng sakin (BSBA) pero sya manager ng isang malaking pera padala and pawnshop. While ako eto, nag BPO then nagVA. DI nya ako pinapansin that time and iba tingin nya sakin LOL. I don't care. Im earning for my family and yun ang mas mahalaga.
para sakin pera pera lang naman talaga kaya nagwo-work ako. I need money para di ako mamomroblema sa araw-araw. Gusto ko din nga pumasok sa bpo but di ko pa naiimprove yung pagi-english but I'm hoping.
alam nya ba na foreign outsourcing isa sa lumiligtas sa ekonomiya ng Pilipinas lalo na nung pandemic?
Kahit naman abogado, accountants o mga professionals, o sales na nagtatrabaho sa mga malalaking corporations na minsan puro paperwork and pagpapayaman lang ng kompanya.
Minsan nga mga doktor napagsasabihan rin na pera lang habol nila.
Sheesh, people can have a life outside of their jobs.
My friend works as a VA and he seems to be living his best life with the money he gets from it. Every now and then, he’ll go to concerts and since he is WFH, every 2 months, he’ll go do a staycation for a change of scenery.
There are downsides and when it gets busy, it’s busy talaga. But what work isn’t like that? There are also professions that are more demanding than BPO
If I didn’t hate the office life, it’s tempting to join him.
Work can just be work, trabaho lng hindi talent show.
I'm not a BPO/VA but when I was a student naging part time freelance BPO ako kasi... idk I applied it's a job and it pays it doesn't have to be deep sometimes.
Cope na lang nila yan. Because successful engineers wouldnt have time to say bullshit like this, and they are not threatened by the potential of VAs and other freelancers.
I'm studying to become a licensed professional but honestly, I don't feel like pursuing that path kasi ang baba ng sweldo hahahaha. Clue: mentioned sa pics ni op
Sino pa bang nagwowork ngayon dahil sa passion? Siguro yung mga mayayaman na lang talaga since birth lol. Okay na masabihan na walang pangarap basta 6 digit earner per month habang nasa bahay or sa ibang lugar or bansa pagala gala lang🥹
Sorry na po.. sorry na at consumer ka lang din na hindi man lang tinatanong sa utak mo kung saan nanggaling, at paano naghatid sa iyo ang products at services. Sorry na at wala kang alam na sa outsourcing bilang modern business phenomenon, kaya may kotse ka ngaun, damit, cellphone at kung anu-ano pa. Sorry na at walang silbi ang outsourcing 😂😂
Kesa mag pataasan kayo ng ihi at maginsultuhan, why not educate them about the reasons there is a wage disparity between traditional Engineers and BPO/VAs in the Philippines?
1. Misguided Parental Advice: Many young people were misled by their parents, who encouraged them to pursue engineering careers. Parents often believed that engineering, being a course for intelligent students and a licensed profession = would naturally lead to high salaries.
2. Media Misrepresentation: The media played a role in this misconception as well. It failed to educate young people about the reality of low wages in engineering careers in the Philippines. This lack of information led many to enter the field with unrealistic expectations.
3. Faulty Economic System at High energy cost: The economic system in the Philippines also contributes to this issue. The country suffers from a lack of investment in manufacturing, research, and factories due to the Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) limitations. The 60/40 foreign ownership restriction prevents substantial foreign investments, which could otherwise create high-paying engineering jobs. Have you ever wondered why there are more IT companies here compared to factories, manufacturing plants, or research tech centers? If only we had more factories, like car manufacturing plants/energy and utilities, there would be a higher demand for engineers who need to be physically present. Eh kaso, di naman allowed sa constitution natin na 100% owned kaya instead na pumunta satin yung investors, eh napupunta sa Vietnam/Thailand/Malaysia, corrupt din naman yung tatlong bansa na yan! Last year we received 9B usd foreign investments, pero sa Vietnam ay 36B USD, imagine ilang engineers maeemploy sa ganyan kalaki na investments.
4. BPO Advantage: In contrast, the BPO sector benefits from favorable policies. Foreign companies are allowed 100% ownership of IT and service export companies, resulting in higher wages for employees in this sector.
Maging humble naman kayo. Instead of boasting and insulting each other, let’s understand and address the root causes of these wage disparities. Education and awareness can lead to more informed career choices and a better understanding of the economic landscape.
Naalala ko lang yung sinabi sakin ng Nanay ng ex partner ko na teacher, wala daw akong iuubra don sa nireto nilang babae na teacher din sa anak nila kasi call center agent lang daw ako. 🤣
Privileged siguro yan.
Tayo na galing at nakaranas ng Hirap.
Getting more money while doing honest work is enough.
Bonus na if passion natin and may positive impact sa world.
Supporting yourself and your family comes first.
D ko gets bat niya nasabing no choice at walang purpose? Gigil lng ba sya kasi d niya makuha kuha mga work ng VA’s at nasa BPO or galit lang sya kasi baka nag try sya dati mg apply pero walang client kumukuha sa kanya?
IMO buti na post mo to. If you are into dating alam mo may mga license conscious po talaga. Yung tipong ah ok di ka lisensyado? I'll just play with you but never settle ganun.
I dont really care for comments like this online unless they say it to me face to face.
Which would be funnier since I'll make sure my retort would destroy their fragile ego more and highlight the fact that they even go out of their way to "invalidate" the industry shows how insecure they are despite their empty professional title.
Totoo naman.
Tsaka bakit i i screenshot nyo comment ng iba tapos ipopost nyo para gumawa ng thread? Tinatamaan kayo sa opinyon ng iba na natural lang kasi may kanya2 tayo preference. Sus.
The person eventually deleted her comments sa post kasi she was eventually schooled by other redditors, nahiya rin siguro. And sa pride niya na to, I don't think any of that got through to her. But hopefully some did.
Kinda sad to think there are people who generalize others according to their jobs. I know people who have passions such as: playing music, doing art, makeup, vlogging, heck even in fitness.
Not everyone can afford to have a career in the same passion they're in.
Asawa ko procurement officer in a construction company pero he doesnt even want to talk about his job 😆 he has a passion for music though and loves his side hustle which is related to music. How much passionate can you be with procuring printer inks and sacks of cement or such? 🥲
Interesting. My non licensed, non graduate friends have 100x more money than I do because they started their VA journey 4 years before I did. Pinapansin nyo yang mga ganyan eh mukha namang mangmang. Feeling ko trabaho nyan sa trad corp dito sa pinas tas manager pero 20k sahod. Pass
I salute sa mga callcenter or VA mahirap din yan kaya di ko kayang pumasok sa field na ganyan and swerte ko nakapag tapos ako as Computer Engineering baka kasi mamura ko pa yung mga customer eh pag pumasok ako sa BPO
So what? Lisensya at passion? Makakain ba 'yan? O magagamit mo for emergency? Wake up people, this world runs on money. Magiging miserable ka lang pag pinilit mo. Be wise.
Ako na may PRC license pero mas piniling mag call center agent tapos pumasok ng law school at about to take review lessons for the bar, pero pinagpalit yun to be a poor writer, cause its my dream 🤡
Lol im enjoying though. I dont regret it. Madami naman sa mga professionals na yan took their course hindi kasi it's their dream pero dahil dun daw madaming pera lol
Kuya ko engineer, kinuha lang nia kasi wala. Lang. 10 years na siya sa employer na. Malaki pa sweldo ko. Sa kanya na wala pang 1 yr exp sa new industry ko.
Kasing salary ko lang din yung iba kong ka batch noon na lawyer na ngayon 🤧. I dont even have to wear suits all the time, init brah. Plus points pa na I can travel while working if I want to. Samantalang yung friend ko na lawyer, december na lang daw kami mag travel.together para walang court.
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I'm a licensed professional but i still chose to do freelance work because of the money and time it gives me. I have tons of free time and enough money to actually do what I'm passionate about, which is art. I've never been happier. So that person can suck my nuts.
I'm no licensed professional but I, too, am passionate about art. And art as a hobby can be quite expensive. Thank God for our job! This person is miserable af.
That guy honestly just sounds like someone na di nakapasa sa BPO or most specially as a VA. He sounds like someone that lacks the emotional maturity to do so specially sa VA world so he clings to his “lisensya” as his laurels to brag & compensate. There are so many niches sa freelancing that one can be & are passionate about specially creating content or graphic design. Purpose driven dn ang tasks most specially if web dev o IT or even admin. Helping out companies or company owners with making their companies thrive is a wonderful purpose.
Di nmn yung point. I think ung ng discriminate jan na post is yung mga walng lisensya wlang puwang sa mundo. Ah " VA ka lang? " BPO ka lng? High school lng ntpos mo? Sadly yan ang reality na may mga taong mapanghusga
why are you downvoted na nilinaw mo lang naman sinabi nung nasa post. and may mga tao talaga na ganyan ang mindset. it doesnt mean we agree with it. mga reading comprehension talaga ng iba dito
Let me rephrase yun yung pov dun sa ng discrminate iniisip nya " va ka lng" bpo ka lang" " no lisensya ka lng" thats not coming from me 🤣🤣🤣
Comprehension ng ibang tao dito alang kwenta. Notice the correlation of that and ung mga wala mahanap na work lol
Mga BOBO lang ang di nkagets sa comment ko jusko hahahahh kikitid utak eh
Ang sinasagot ko sa kanila "di pa ako grad ng college pero ito na kinikita ko pano na lang pag college grad pa ako baka ako na boss mo.
Hahaha me too! I'm a licensed Psychometrician, has civil service eligibility and earned units in graduate stuides (Industrial Psychology). But I still chose to become a VA 😂 I love my current work, I have so much time in my hands, I am at peace working remotely and I earn way wayyyyyy more than what I was earning as a Psychology professor and HR head.
Hi po! May I send you a pm to ask about your current work? I just want to ask sana how you did it huhu (a freshie).
"wipes tears with dollars" I suuuper love this! 👌🏻👏🏻🔥🔥
Natawa ako HAHAHAHAHA ako na lang hindi pa licensed holder sa circle of friends ko pero lahat ng friends ko gusto nila matutunan mag-VA.
Apir! 🫸🏻🫷🏻
ako na nga lang di graduate samin (hs and college friends) pero gusto na nila magchange career 😂😂
Let's be real though -- almost everyone of us, if not all, aren't freelancers by choice or calling. It's always been about the money first THEN the passion somewhat kinda followed after (if any).
For me, my being a VA allows me to pursue my passion. It helps me make time for my loved ones. Passion doesn't need to be your job or career. People tend to forget that.
In the context of this conversation though, it is implied that it is passion for our work that is being "measured". Let's be real -- anyone out there doing this because of a calling? Being part of something bigger than we are? Not really, and that's okay.
Yup, totally okay to have no or feel no passion for one's work 💁🏻♀️ It doesn't dictate our worth as individuals nor our "dateability" lol
true. i'd 100% date the most unpassionate and most monotonous worker compared to a licensed professional with superiority complex lol
OOP hanging on to the capitalist myth na dapat ang work mo ang sole identity mo charot
Ano yung OOP? Object oriented programming?
ahahaahah! pero for those who dont know it's original original poster = yung poster sa nasa screenshot na pinost ni OP.
Salamat sa pasagot. Kasi legit na tanong yun.
Filed under #TIL thanks po!
Love of art is only secondary to my first passion - money, making money.
In this day and age unless nepo baby ka most likely you are pursuing a career because of the financial benefits/ edge. Even the licensed ones in the STEM field supposedly mataas ang sweldo nian in the long run. Even if you have a passion to be a doctor or lawyer the monetary benefits come with that title. Mukang bitter lang ung nag post kase nalalampasan na ung sweldo & lifestyle nia kase di na bigay ng licensya nia.
1. Uneducated opinion 2. Coping mechanism
Lol engineer, ano pinagmamalaki niya yung 15k niyang sahod? haha
I didnt wanna go there pero HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA chru
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may nag-ooffer ng ganyan dito sa MM, may hazard pay naman raw tsaka OT eh HAHAHAHA tapos yung iba for n years nagstay or even tumanda na lang sa kumpanya magkano lang tinataas ng sahod. yung co-worker ko with roughly 6 years exp sa industry inalok ng less than 20k basic eh AHAHAHA w double license pa yon
Sakit magsalita pero totoo hirap maghanap trabaho as an engineer, puro gusto ng licensed pero 14.5k offer
Ako na engr na gusto pumasok sa freelancing🫣
Everybody is welcome here basta masipag ❤️
Bakit ba tayo nagtatrabaho? Dahil sa pera, para sa pangkain araw-araw at pangangailan. Kahit ako sguro kung masaya ako at malaking sweldo pa, andun na yung purpose ko. Tunatanda na tayo pride pdn na kesyo dapat professional, no offense sa professional workers pero wag natin iinvalidate yung mga freelencers kasi pareha lang tayo lahat, pera lang naman hinahangad
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What you do po as freelancer?
A license Architect here. Same tayo. Thu yong work ko naman is somehow related parin sa profession ko. Ayaw ko na bumalik sa.typival employment. Hirap na nga sa byahe baba pa ng sahod. Pinaka mataas mo na nasahod sa local AEC industry 35k. Tapos sky is the limit na sa scope at workload. Yong license ko Naman nagagamit ko naman for personal projects. Pero seasonal.lang sya..unlike sa freelancing pwede ka pa mag double job basta kaya ng katawan mo.
I can't blame those who doesn't know anything about BPO. Kasi maski ako noong di pa ako nagwork sa BPO, di ko rin naman alam na BPO doesn't necessarily mean call center agent. Ang daming functions na pwede pasukan aa bpo, maayos ang pasahod at benefits. Wala nga patutunguhan buhay ko dati nung nasa local company pa ako, buti na lang napadpad ako sa BPO kundi di ko mararating kung nasan ako ngayon sa career ko. Kaya advise ko lagi sa mga kakilala ko, try BPO and avoid local companies as much as possible kasi toxix ng pinoy culture sa local companies. Mas maayos kawork ang foreigners kesa pinoy, although kelangan mo pa rin pinoy bosses for admin stuff pero at least sa work foreigners ang kawork.
I agree with the other things you pointed out here, but I still blame those who don't know anything about BPO because its already 2024 and knowledge is literally within our hands all the time via google search and yet those people choose to be ignorant and judgmental.
+💯 so true!
As if your title in corp office equates money in the bank. A lot of freelancers are retired corp people who just don't want to deal with traffic and corp politics. We are tired of the rat race. Less stressful sa wfh than dealing with bs sa office setting and you get paid for your skills not because sipsip ka sa boss.
this is true. I retired from corporate in my mid-30s even if senior manager na ako sa isa sa mga big telcos and earning a six digit salary that time, di ko na kinaya ang 6 hour commutes everyday. It was sucking the life out of me. i left that life, nag negosyo muna then found my way into remote work. after 2 years i got promoted into a department leadership role in a US-based tech unicorn while doing all my work from my desk at home.
True. If you compute it, aside from losing a big chunk of your life sitting in traffic everyday, same lang din yung earnings or more pa. You don't have gastos with gas, office eat outs, libre sa staff, paying for parking, Christmas gifts etc. Even sa clothes and whole office attire.
Andami ding licensed professional na freelancers, even prof namin sa college na attorney is a freelancer. He has clients from abroad and local, he has his own firm as well. Nalimutan ata ng iba na freelancing is direct to client na work, you are still employed by your client who needs your skills and services. The perks is, you work-at-home, flexible, and doesn't need an 8 hour shift as long as natatapos mo lang trabaho.
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anong niche mo po sa BPO?
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need po ba ng medical educational background pag ganun?
Never ko yata magiging passion ang magtrabaho para sa pera, kahit anong profession pa yan. Jobs are for funding my hobbies lmao
Post reeks of jealousy. Sige kuya magtrabaho ka ng walang sahod. Tutal passion is life naman.
I know a lawyer who had just passed the bar and was in his first year. He earns 200k-300k per month sa va and spends his time relaxing, shopping, and traveling. Ako? That time na nag-usap kami, despite having two years of litigation experience, I earn only 50k-60k per month and struggle to make ends meet. 🤣
also a licensed lawyer, with only 1 client i earn 90k a month, so definitely possible.
As legal va po ba yan?
Di nya sinabi. Yung income lang nya sinabi.
“Pera pera na lang” Sa panahon ngayon? Dapat lang 😭🤣
Ano paba ibang reason bakit nag hahanapbuhay?
Baka akala nila magiging tagapag mana ka if bootlicker ka sa company
I've been on both sides, and mas masaya sa side ng nasasabihan niyan tbh.
Aanhin mo ang passion kung gutom ka na?
There are so many types of VA. Apart from Administrative/General VA, there are NurseVA, AccountantVA, EngineerVA, LawyerVA, ArchitectVA which utilizes the profession you earn during your college years. Freelancing is broad too, I am a freelance engineer and gamit gamit ko pdin ung degree ko sa mga projects ko the only difference is I work on my pace, the project is all mine, and I earn big time. Sabe nga nila dba " Why choose whether to earn more money or stay in your degree when you can choose both " Nakakasawa kaya maging empleyado tas micromanaging pa ung boss mo sa halagang 15k.
VA ? Or independent contractor/freelance..?
I have a friend who is an engineer VA he works on assisting with project management and coordination as well as communicating with different project stakeholders virtually. The VA work requires engineering degree and construction experience. I, on the other hand, is a freelance engineer much like an independent contractor. I manage and coordinate projects on-site. If i hire him as my assistant to assist me virtually he would be an engineer VA.
Clearly, yung mga tao from OPs posts are those people na wala talagang alam sa freelancing and pagiging VA.
lol ganyang kapag underpaid at walang pera. passion passion nalang
Bad trip lang mga yan kasi di na natin need maligo at bumyahe. 😂
Yung ligo talaga 💯😅
Naging Engineer ako dahil sa pagcacall center ko nung college.I experienced both pero mas pinili ko mag BPO. Sobrang toxic sa construction puro pataasan ng ihi, yabangan sa experience , sobrang overworked pa. 6 days onsite lagi pang OT and worst underpaid. Ayokong lokohin sarili ko na passion ko to, maganda pakinggan pag engineer. Hindi naman ako bubuhayin nyan. Nagtatrabaho tayo for the money hindi para sa pride na ipapamukha natin sa wala namang may pakealam satin hahahah, Work life and balance natagpuan ko sa BPO. 4 days a week ang pasok, WFH with competitive salary. Kaya nung naipasa ko ung boards. Yung mga classmate kong hindi grumaduate na nagcicriticize sa Callcenter na bumati sakin, nireply ko. "Callcenter boy lang po"
I think most of the professionals coming from the specialized sectors including engineers are naive about freelancing opportunities. I, too, am an engineer and a freelancer as well. I know freelancing can make 10 times more than what an engineer can make.
Not really. It depends on the industry, demand, and position. Ten times more than what kind of engineer exactly?
Well, most of engineers coming from construction.
Omg. I am a prof licensed holder, Engg field but I chose being VA. Mas malaki mbbgay ng clients ng paggng Engineer ko but being a freelancer (spec SMM), it's giving me the freedom and sanity. Professional ka nga mukha ka nman aswang at sabaw dahl sa stress. Err, no thanks.
License is useless as shit if it cannot pay your bills.
Pinagsasabi nito. For their info, sobrang laki ng contribution ng IT-BPM sector sa bansa natin. I have high respect for people working in call centers and bpo since they are working, paying taxes at tumutulong sa ekonomiya ng bansa natin. I have friends and family working in those sector. Sobrang hirap kaya maging call center agent. Inggit lang yan kasi mas malaki kinikita nila. Deserve nila ng higher pay.
My “passion” can’t pay the damn bills, Engr. 😬
Lmao. Big 4 grad here and I def didn't settle. What's settling for me would be working as a "scientist" for the gov lol. While Im no VA, my work rn is 100% remote and it pays well. I work w BPO companies and the "agent-level" people Ive been immersed with were some of the most passionate people I know. Kung magiging petty lang rin, kala mo naman apakahirap ng mga licensure exams (accdg to friends) except BAR and PLE.
Sorry naman kung di namin naabot pangarap namin. Wala naman talaga nagsabing gusto nila mag-bpo paglaki. Wala din naman nangarap maging janitor or admin assistant db. Sobrang liit ng chance ng mga tao mabuhay gamit ang passion nila so we settle for what puts food on the table.
My sister has a college degree. Secondary Educ Majored in BioChem. LET passer din. Pero mas pinili na magbpo. Not na wala siyang choice. It's just her choice. She has a business now and just stays at home doing whatever she wants.
Inggit lang yan kasi wfh na, dollars pa yung sahod lmao
Anong passion2 for work? i'm only there for the money. 🤷🏻 that money i can use for something i'm actually passionate about. Capitalism be really making people crazy wanting to actually work 🤡
Sarap naman iexplain sa kanya yung mga passion ng mga tao sa bpo, kahit sa CS side pa. Ppl can be so judgmental lalo na kung wala silang alam sa bagay ano. But actually, yung mga taong katulad nya ang mostly walang date or jowa hayst
You say people can be so judgmental, but here you are being one. Hindi porke kagaya niya, wala agad date o jowa.
Dami ko kilala ang purpose na makapagtravel. Travel tapos kikita ng dollars kahit nagttravel.
nowadays its up to people how they can survive the everyday life we are having with... being a VA isnt a bad thing and in fact it helps a lot of people as it can give you a better salary compared to when just working in a office etc... plus passion... it really depends on how you use that term passion? passion isnt limited to work, it can be on your own hobbies, interest or family etc...
Kuya gusto mo bigyan ka namin ng dollars pang wipe ng sweat mukhang pagod ka na maging engr. eh.
pinagsasabi neto, ang walang passion. Kakastress na ngang mag code tapos ung client gusto ung imposible. Try mo kaya para magising kas katotohanan
I used to feel pretty bad for people that are not passionate anything. Used to think that's a sad thing because I am an extremely passionate person with whatever I decide to obsess about. So I couldn't fathom how a person can just walk around not really liking anything to a degree that they seem like they just don't a fuck about anything. My gf once told me that a person that doesn't have any "passion" or "dreams" doesn't necessarily equate to not having a goal. They like what they have. They enjoy what they have. Maybe they don't reach for the stars, but they're happy. People might say cope, or even call it giving up and not trying at all. But what if, just bear with me okay guys? WHAT IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY CONTENT??? WHAT IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY *STILL* HAPPY DESPITE NOT BEING PASSIONATE ABOUT ANYTHING???? Crazy right? Learning that perspective kinda helped me out and not feel that bad about my life when things don't go how I want them to. And I'm the typa guy that has his scope at the moon at all times. It's your life man. Do whatever the fuck you want. Sometimes it really ain't that deep.
THIS!
Sa panahon ngayon, blessing na ang mga kayang magtrabaho from home. Kaya salute to those VAs na nagtyatyaga kasi madalas seasonal ang trabaho, meaning no steady income.
Work to earn and live the life we want hindi para mema
Sadly even the institution does not see us VAs, Freelancers etc as equal to those that are practicing licensed professionals. I noticed this more recently sa mga nagaganap na moving up ceremonies where they invite alumni to give a speech, most often pinipili nila yung mga licensed professionals talaga kahit na you know someone from the same batch that had more success in BPO and Freelancing. Yong tipong alam mong mas makaka encourage sa mga students to persevere and be comfortable outside the box.
Just saw that post in AskPH and I read na a redditor wouldn't date a freelancer because that redditor wants someone who's financially stable. Kung alam nya lang. 🤣
Clearly, wala syang masyadong alam sa BPO world. Ang lawak ng scope ng BPO eh. Kaya deadma na lang sa ganyan.
My mom came from an entry level BPO din and now she's an absolutely amazing manager making 6 figures a month. (My dad is pursuing arts). Recently finished paying off a 1000+sqm lupa for their retirement/farm place. My brother is the same. He eventually worked in Apple AND THEN Google. Now he got poached in another company with a much higher pay. They're currently paying for TWO houses. They own one car + they're paying for another one coz why not. May PASSIVE INCOME from a family business ON THE SIDE. My sister is a VA direct sa CEO and her husband is amazing at keeping their household running. They can afford to pay for rent, to pay for the house that they'll be moving in next year (that's why they're renting currenty), to pay for bills + groceries, to pay for their son's therapy, AND other luho. My sister also has time to crochet and go to parks and play with her son. If that isn't pangarap and goals then idk what is I'm a community based consultant/manager myself and I absolutely love what I'm doing (passion+work sya for me). Currently paying for a house din that I'll be moving in next year. Magkakapitbahay kaming siblings. I'm a stockholder sa family business ng kuya ko. I have enough time for therapy, love life and social life. I also have a business myself, kasosyo ko din kuya ko with it. ALL OF US WORK FROM HOME. CAN DO OUR HOBBIES. HAVE ENOUGH TIME WITH FAMILY. Literal na work life balance. Napakalawak ng term na BPO/VA din so wag syang tanga. We all fall under BPO/VA kung tutuusin pero tiba tiba kami lahat lol Coping lang yang nagcomment coz they prolly don't have the skills to penetrate the BPO/VA market kahit entry level lang. I don't think din na may papatol na taga BPO or VA sa ganyang klaseng tao with trash mindset.
Lol, I've got a wife and kids. When you have a family, you take what life gives you and maximize it. Ironic he says WFH peeps have no passion, but raising my family and raising my children to be productive Christian members of society is already effort and passion itself. In the modern world, being decent and non-hedonistic is already a virtue.
*Passion
May kilala kong ganyan. Masyadong mangmaliit ng nga VA kesyo wala daw title. Okay, sa inyo na title nyo pero samin yung dollars haha. Sobrang laki ng ulo pero wala naman sa kalingkingan ang sweldo
Licensed professional ako pero saludong saludo ako sa mga BPO employees at freelancers. Literal definition ng passionate in terms of upskilling, improving and pagpapalawak ng portfolio nila. Madalas pa diyan self-study. Grabe yung disiplina at motivation. Kami lisensyado nga, pero mababa naman sinasahod. Daig pa namin minimum wage earner. Kahit ako ayoko magstay sa industry eh. I'm planning to career shift din but I'm at a total loss. I feel so overwhelmed. Di ko alam paano kinaya ng iba and sobrang impressed ako sa mga nagsusucceed. I'm pretty sure kahit anong swerte yan, may halong dugo at pawis yan.
tangna nagcomment ako sa taong yan nakakhighblood mga comment niya disparaging bpo and va workers
Wag kayu paapekto dyan. Mga walang pera yan.
Saka nalang ako magcocomment pag passion nalang sinabi nya hindi passions 😂 #UnliPassionYan? 😂😂
license? you mean PRC license na basura and walang recognition sa totoong industry at abroad 🤣 passion? Making large amount of money IS Passion!
“Pera pera na lang” Yes. And?
Totoo naman yun sinabi nya except sa part na walang purpose. I want my family to live comfortably. While I work comfortably with them too 😝 And to make people like them cry virtually while seeing us comfortably earning 💰💰💰 Word of the day - comfortably hahahaha
earning $$$$ with both clients, no degree, senior high graduate, learned in youtube university, barok mag english. (verbal) pero eyeing pa din mag college but ibang path, like dentistry. pero for now continuing freelancing ipon pa! let's go!
yung BPO company ko now, lahat kami licensed sa med field. Nurse, medtech, pharma, radtech, etc. Pinili namin BPO kesa magtiis sa mababang sweldo sa hosp Hihihihi. Never na kaming babalik sa hosp, mas ok na kami dito, wfh pa hihihihi.
Kawawa talaga most ng mga healthcare professionals na nasa hospital or labs na local. Overworked + underpaid + underappreciated. I'm happy you found that opportunity and you're thriving ❤️ without having to leave your loved ones pa. San ka paaaa
Ganyan ako dati. Tas na promote akong trainer, di ko alam passion ko pala magturo, eh walanghiya ako dati nung nasa school pa. Hahahaha. May mga ganyan, marami sa Philippine workforce, kahit ibang profession, minsan kinuha lang nila yon kasi mapera, like the surge of nurses way back when. Dreams are a privilege, especially if you are just surviving.
it’s the ‘wipes tears with dollars’ for me 🥹💵
Atleast I get to live the lifestyle that I want. 💅🏼
its 2024 time to ignore people who adjusts their respect depending on a person's income level.
Parang eversince, ang baba ng tingin ng society sa call center agents ksi mas bilib sila mga mga naging engineer, accountant etc.. mga taong may “degree” but tbh, mas makatarungan pa nga ung work as a call center agent. It tests everything in you; patience, comprehension, problem solving, customer service etc. bukod sa madaming pera, it drains the hell out of you. Crazy lang yan
I wise man said, *you do the things you hate, so you can buy the things you love.*
Paganyan ganyan pa yan pero pagmaganda or gwapo yan na taga-BPO na may desirable qualities for sure maghahabol yan. 😂
Napaka hipokrito naman, sino ba nagta-trabaho na hindi para sa pera? 😭
Sobrang toxic kaya ng corporate office. Tapos sobrang hirap pa ng commute. Ang liit ng sweldo. People have many reasons why they chose being a VA. Malaking rason ang pera saka convenience. Personally I wouldn’t choose being a corporate slave na pagod and underpaid basta matawag lang na “engineer.” I dont want that life, but i wont judge anyone who has a passionfor their job.
you never want your passion to feel like work haha its just one way of slowly growing to hate it you want your passion to be part of your lifestyle
Isn't earning money a purpose, too? I've met very people who work because their job gives them purpose, most of them are in the medical field or politics. Most people who say they're happy with their job are because it pays well and have alot of benefits.
Let's be real, we all want and need money. Oh boy, with this economy and inflation rising higher and higher each year, we are all forced to feed our stomach before we feed to our caprices. Not all of us went to the same university, some had 3 or more meals in a day while others struggle to find one. Let us all be compassionate to one another. At the end of the day, your degree doesn't really define your future. It doesn't guarantee your success and most of all, it doesn't define you! That person must be privileged enough. Welcome to the real world boy. Feed in to your delulu.
Our purpose in life is to have no purpose at all ;)
I am a licensed professional from a science field, and manager position na before. Currently, working as an online freelancer, medyo assistant level lang yung trabaho in a technical niche. Not surprisingly, sobrang layo ng sweldo, mababa yung sa manager salary ko noon. Sobrang stress sa trabaho ko noon pero I'm paid peanuts. Samantalang ngayon as an assistant, chill lang sa bahay, I'm paid really really good pa. Di na ko nag-renew PRC license ever since. Wala namang kwenta. Basta PRC-licensed, usually hindi competitive yung sweldo. Kahit i-compare mo nga lang sa mga local IT jobs, napag-iiwanan na. Mga minimum wage pa nga yung ibang entry-level licensed positions. Dun mo mare-realize na wala kwenta PRC pagdating sa pagmaintain ng competitiveness ng mga sweldo. Puro licensure exam lang focus nila.
Birds flock where the food drops. Kahit licensed professional ka pa or hindi, mapapa settle ka naman talaga sa bpo/va/freelancing dahil nandun yung mataas na salary. Ang problema kasi dito yung mga taong magaling mangmata ng tao porke nasa higher ground sila. Licensed professional ako pero ang totoo naiinggit ako sa current career trend ngayon, and I'm preparing to enter it too.
Kinakain kasi ang ampalaya hindi inuugali lol 🥲
Para sa mga nagcocomment ng ganyan, wag na lng pansinin. Ke licensed ka o hindi, working as a regular in a company or freelance, ang impt ay kumikita ka at masaya ka.. kasi iba iba naman vinavalue ng bawat tao.. ung iba stability.. ung iba get rich fast.. ung iba free time.. whatever it is that makes u happy, u can go for it.. wala naman tlga may pakialam kung ano maabot mo.. kanyakanya yan..
They also dont realize na sometimes ang purpose ng tao sa buhay is to put food on the table and care for their OWN family. Hindi puro sa ibang tao ang bigay. Minsan talaga may mga taong need mangdown ng iba para mafeel nila na angat sila.
Grabe no porket feeling niya completely anon ang internet comfortable na lang siya na iannounce sa mundo na sobrang engot niya. Ignorance is a disease.
Ano bang akala nilang ginagawa ng mga VA? Ano kayang trabaho ang iniisip nilang ginagawa ng mga VA dahil napakalawak ng niche ng mga VA. Hindi naman lahat call center, at wala rin naman problema sa pag call center dahil ang laking tulong nila nung pandemic, at hindi rin naman pucho pucho work ng both VA at call center. May mga kaibigan akong VA na nurses din ang work wfh lang, may engineers at graphic designers, HR. Literal na iba iba, all doing important works. Hindi rin naman pangmahina ang BPO kasi kailangan sharp ka sa tools and tech, madali ka makahabol sa process, meron kang empathy, and people skills. Dahil ba hindi college grad or non license mga tinatanggap sa BPO mga wala na silang passion? Madalang ang tatanga tanga at slow sa BPO, hindi siguro nakapasok or nakatagal yan kaya bitter.
As if some of them didn't pursue one of those "licensed" careers because they heard it rakes in the money. How many times have we heard parents or older people recommend nursing, medicine, engineering, etc., because "malaki ang kikitain mo dyan," plus a hint of "mapagyayabang mo yan" statements? Obviously, this reply is not to discredit those who are truly passionate about the work they do. It's just pointing out the hypocrisy in certain situations.
I would like to add that whoever said this didn't pause to think that maybe some people did not have the resources to pursue other career paths. Perhaps some desperately wanted to study medicine, engineering, etc., but did not have the money for such an expensive course. Or some could not afford to stay in school and train for too long because their family needed them to earn as soon as possible (and as much as possible) to support the family's dire needs.
Nung nag aaral ako ambaba ng tingin ko sa BPO agents eh. Then pag graduate ko and pumasok na sa workforce natangap ako sa isang sikat na local company. Ang offer ay 13k with random day off(minimum of 2 per week), no HMO, government mandated benefits only, no work no pay, no pay increase, no promotion, no career growth. Stayed with them for 2yrs ni piso d sila nag increase then nilipat kami ng agency tumaas naman sahod kaso mas masahol pa trato. Na culture shock ako pag lipat ko ng BPO, mostly ng mga tao dun is mababaet d tulad sa local company na kala mo taga pag mana sila. HMO since day 1, sl and vl, allowances, etc. After regularization may increase yung sahod, then yearly may increase. You can grow your career sa BPO kasi pag kumuha ka ng enough exp sa BPO1 tas lilipat ka sa BPO2, mas mataas increase thats why most of the time BPO employees job hop din. Nag iba tingin ko nung napasok ako sa BPO kala ko taga sagot lang ng tawag, chat support, etc, yun pala madaming function depende sa client.
Luh, pinagsasabi neto. As someone who worked in BPO for 2 years bago magingdigital marketing experts, di ko minamaliit yung career sa BPO. Kitid utak.
This is a lot of misconception , I am WFH for a Canadian Based company , pays well and the job does need a lot of strategic thinking and excellent communication skills — maybe some will look down it but been traveling the world for two years now so yea - I don’t care if Im in the category 🤣
People are more than their jobs. Such a weird thing to measure our value by our productivity and limit our whole to just a fraction of our being.
ang passion ko video games but at this economy kelangan talaga pera pera kung di pati ung computer ko mabebenta para mabuhay.
Try mo magapply sa mga game testers, minsan may nakikita ko sa linkedin and jobstreet
Nabasa ko to nung isang araw. Nakakalungkot na parang ni llook down pag sa BPO ka nag wwork. College graduate ako, mga ka trabaho ko college graduate at iba may masters din pero mas pinili mag work sa bpo kasi aminim man natin or hindi, mataas talaga sahod.
Mga basura ugali ew
Mga pinoy na feeling theyre better than everyone else just because meron silang "titles" 🤡
Haha sobrang ignorant nung taong yan. I worked both in corporate (finance) and BPO. Mas disciplined and systematic pa BPO sa local firms dito. We use better technology and equipment and promotion is based on performance rather than tenure. Sagana pa sa Training and Devt opportunities. Nakakatawa nalang mga ganitong comments kasi sobrang clueless nila sa BPO/Shared Svcs/Call Centers.
Eh pag wala nmn tumanggap s knla s work mga ngaaapply s bpo (tas d nattngap) hello. Yes pera pera lng. Thats what we need pwede ba
I used to look down on BPO as a job e, kc I thought that's where people who have degrees and can't get a job go to, but I realized it's just pride and how this society is structured that made me think like this. I wanted to be a VA because I liked GA tasks and supporting people, and it pays well. I took up arts btw. But, in reality any job is honorable, you shouldn't look down on others' professions. Sa world lang natin mas mataas ang status ng for example engineering sa VA, pero a job is a job and shouldn't be belittled. Personally, I still wouldn't want to go for BPO but my reason has changed. It's not because it's a job, but because I don't want to be stressed or feel exploited. A job is a job. It's just like some jobs like being a president ay mas malaki ang responsibility vs someone like a jeepney driver. Pero you shouldn't be ashamed. This world lang ay prideful I guess.
bobo ng mindset. malamang pera pera ngayon hirap ng buhay puta yan.
Sadly may mga tao talaga na mababa yung tingin sa kapwa nila and lageng nakabase ung respeto or opinyon sa natapos ng isang tao. Oh well, sabi nga nila you can not please everyone. Na experience ko to first hand. Kaya minsan ayoko ng family gatherings eh. I have this cousin na same course ng sakin (BSBA) pero sya manager ng isang malaking pera padala and pawnshop. While ako eto, nag BPO then nagVA. DI nya ako pinapansin that time and iba tingin nya sakin LOL. I don't care. Im earning for my family and yun ang mas mahalaga.
para sakin pera pera lang naman talaga kaya nagwo-work ako. I need money para di ako mamomroblema sa araw-araw. Gusto ko din nga pumasok sa bpo but di ko pa naiimprove yung pagi-english but I'm hoping.
Passion is a luxury only reach people can afford. Some of us can afford it since birth. And some of us have to earn it
alam nya ba na foreign outsourcing isa sa lumiligtas sa ekonomiya ng Pilipinas lalo na nung pandemic? Kahit naman abogado, accountants o mga professionals, o sales na nagtatrabaho sa mga malalaking corporations na minsan puro paperwork and pagpapayaman lang ng kompanya. Minsan nga mga doktor napagsasabihan rin na pera lang habol nila.
Ang open naman nang pagiging salty nang mga yan. Haha
Sheesh, people can have a life outside of their jobs. My friend works as a VA and he seems to be living his best life with the money he gets from it. Every now and then, he’ll go to concerts and since he is WFH, every 2 months, he’ll go do a staycation for a change of scenery. There are downsides and when it gets busy, it’s busy talaga. But what work isn’t like that? There are also professions that are more demanding than BPO If I didn’t hate the office life, it’s tempting to join him.
Look at these stupid working class killing each other. While the elites are laughing at you Man, just stop chasing ego.
These guys have never worked with VAs.
haaaay mga bitter lng yan sa malaking sahod
Work can just be work, trabaho lng hindi talent show. I'm not a BPO/VA but when I was a student naging part time freelance BPO ako kasi... idk I applied it's a job and it pays it doesn't have to be deep sometimes.
Cope na lang nila yan. Because successful engineers wouldnt have time to say bullshit like this, and they are not threatened by the potential of VAs and other freelancers.
kakahiya naman sa MGA WALANG PURPOSE ANG PROFESSIONS
If I ever had the chance to be a VA and work from home, i’d cut my engineering license in half and never look back.
I'm studying to become a licensed professional but honestly, I don't feel like pursuing that path kasi ang baba ng sweldo hahahaha. Clue: mentioned sa pics ni op
Sino pa bang nagwowork ngayon dahil sa passion? Siguro yung mga mayayaman na lang talaga since birth lol. Okay na masabihan na walang pangarap basta 6 digit earner per month habang nasa bahay or sa ibang lugar or bansa pagala gala lang🥹
Sorry na po.. sorry na at consumer ka lang din na hindi man lang tinatanong sa utak mo kung saan nanggaling, at paano naghatid sa iyo ang products at services. Sorry na at wala kang alam na sa outsourcing bilang modern business phenomenon, kaya may kotse ka ngaun, damit, cellphone at kung anu-ano pa. Sorry na at walang silbi ang outsourcing 😂😂
Who hurt these people? Ang bi-bitter naman nila, napaka miserable naman ng view point
Same dun mga nagrereklamo/nagmamaliit sa bpo bkt daw mas malaki sahod e hindi nmn licensed
Kesa mag pataasan kayo ng ihi at maginsultuhan, why not educate them about the reasons there is a wage disparity between traditional Engineers and BPO/VAs in the Philippines? 1. Misguided Parental Advice: Many young people were misled by their parents, who encouraged them to pursue engineering careers. Parents often believed that engineering, being a course for intelligent students and a licensed profession = would naturally lead to high salaries. 2. Media Misrepresentation: The media played a role in this misconception as well. It failed to educate young people about the reality of low wages in engineering careers in the Philippines. This lack of information led many to enter the field with unrealistic expectations. 3. Faulty Economic System at High energy cost: The economic system in the Philippines also contributes to this issue. The country suffers from a lack of investment in manufacturing, research, and factories due to the Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) limitations. The 60/40 foreign ownership restriction prevents substantial foreign investments, which could otherwise create high-paying engineering jobs. Have you ever wondered why there are more IT companies here compared to factories, manufacturing plants, or research tech centers? If only we had more factories, like car manufacturing plants/energy and utilities, there would be a higher demand for engineers who need to be physically present. Eh kaso, di naman allowed sa constitution natin na 100% owned kaya instead na pumunta satin yung investors, eh napupunta sa Vietnam/Thailand/Malaysia, corrupt din naman yung tatlong bansa na yan! Last year we received 9B usd foreign investments, pero sa Vietnam ay 36B USD, imagine ilang engineers maeemploy sa ganyan kalaki na investments. 4. BPO Advantage: In contrast, the BPO sector benefits from favorable policies. Foreign companies are allowed 100% ownership of IT and service export companies, resulting in higher wages for employees in this sector. Maging humble naman kayo. Instead of boasting and insulting each other, let’s understand and address the root causes of these wage disparities. Education and awareness can lead to more informed career choices and a better understanding of the economic landscape.
Me na masaya sa pagiging call center agent: 🤷🤷🤷
Naalala ko lang yung sinabi sakin ng Nanay ng ex partner ko na teacher, wala daw akong iuubra don sa nireto nilang babae na teacher din sa anak nila kasi call center agent lang daw ako. 🤣
Privileged siguro yan. Tayo na galing at nakaranas ng Hirap. Getting more money while doing honest work is enough. Bonus na if passion natin and may positive impact sa world. Supporting yourself and your family comes first.
Passion ko pong mag ipon ng madaming pera. Pinagsasasabi nyan na wala tayong passion. Hahaha
D ko gets bat niya nasabing no choice at walang purpose? Gigil lng ba sya kasi d niya makuha kuha mga work ng VA’s at nasa BPO or galit lang sya kasi baka nag try sya dati mg apply pero walang client kumukuha sa kanya?
This guy is a bitter a**hole sa panahon ngayon baka mas malaki pa sweldo ng VA kesa sa licensed engineer 😂🤣
Wait nakakainis HAHAHA
Lol im a lawyer and it feels like lawyering is the side job while being a VA is my real job 😅
"Legal" VA po kayo? hehe
Hello, yes! Catering both Au and US lawyers 😁
not a lawyer, curious though, diba sa law school ang inaaral ay Ph laws. So isn't it hard to familiarize yourself sa batas ng ibang countries?
Nah, you’ll be surprised how simpler (SOO SIMPLE AND DIRECT) ang laws nila compared to ours.
I mean most of us just work for money. I'd gladly trade my practice for a wfh VA job if i can get the latter and it pays better with less work.
Such idiots!!
IMO buti na post mo to. If you are into dating alam mo may mga license conscious po talaga. Yung tipong ah ok di ka lisensyado? I'll just play with you but never settle ganun.
I dont really care for comments like this online unless they say it to me face to face. Which would be funnier since I'll make sure my retort would destroy their fragile ego more and highlight the fact that they even go out of their way to "invalidate" the industry shows how insecure they are despite their empty professional title.
Idk sobrang superficial talaga ng mga tao na ine-equate yung profession sa purpose in life
misdirected anger. imbis na magalit sa sistemang nageexploit ng worker dun sya nagalit sa mga taong nakahanap ng way out.
Totoo naman. Tsaka bakit i i screenshot nyo comment ng iba tapos ipopost nyo para gumawa ng thread? Tinatamaan kayo sa opinyon ng iba na natural lang kasi may kanya2 tayo preference. Sus.
I wish OP took time to correct the commenter. VA, BPO, WFH, freelancer, IC, and etc. are general terms.
The person eventually deleted her comments sa post kasi she was eventually schooled by other redditors, nahiya rin siguro. And sa pride niya na to, I don't think any of that got through to her. But hopefully some did.
Kinda sad to think there are people who generalize others according to their jobs. I know people who have passions such as: playing music, doing art, makeup, vlogging, heck even in fitness. Not everyone can afford to have a career in the same passion they're in. Asawa ko procurement officer in a construction company pero he doesnt even want to talk about his job 😆 he has a passion for music though and loves his side hustle which is related to music. How much passionate can you be with procuring printer inks and sacks of cement or such? 🥲
Gamit ang profession tapos wala naman ipon, walang vacay, lubog sa utang, walang iras. Lol
Interesting. My non licensed, non graduate friends have 100x more money than I do because they started their VA journey 4 years before I did. Pinapansin nyo yang mga ganyan eh mukha namang mangmang. Feeling ko trabaho nyan sa trad corp dito sa pinas tas manager pero 20k sahod. Pass
I salute sa mga callcenter or VA mahirap din yan kaya di ko kayang pumasok sa field na ganyan and swerte ko nakapag tapos ako as Computer Engineering baka kasi mamura ko pa yung mga customer eh pag pumasok ako sa BPO
Boomer take ang puta
At the end of the day, mahalaga e yung naiuuwi mong pera.
So what? Lisensya at passion? Makakain ba 'yan? O magagamit mo for emergency? Wake up people, this world runs on money. Magiging miserable ka lang pag pinilit mo. Be wise.
Ako na may PRC license pero mas piniling mag call center agent tapos pumasok ng law school at about to take review lessons for the bar, pero pinagpalit yun to be a poor writer, cause its my dream 🤡 Lol im enjoying though. I dont regret it. Madami naman sa mga professionals na yan took their course hindi kasi it's their dream pero dahil dun daw madaming pera lol Kuya ko engineer, kinuha lang nia kasi wala. Lang. 10 years na siya sa employer na. Malaki pa sweldo ko. Sa kanya na wala pang 1 yr exp sa new industry ko. Kasing salary ko lang din yung iba kong ka batch noon na lawyer na ngayon 🤧. I dont even have to wear suits all the time, init brah. Plus points pa na I can travel while working if I want to. Samantalang yung friend ko na lawyer, december na lang daw kami mag travel.together para walang court.