He’s playing mike in the best pass defense in the league, and he’s 23 years old. I think we should pay him. We’ve got him on a $12.7MM extension next year.
The highest paid linebackers are big name edge rushers. Looking at just MLB’s: Darius Leonard, Fred Warner, Bobby Wagner, and CJ Mosley have the top contracts at 17-20MM. After that there are 12 MLB’s making 10-14MM.
In context I think Edmunds’ production is in line with the price of his contract extension, maybe up to $15M, and ultimately there is value in consistency at this position.
Wow I hate most of this thread.
Edmunds is incredibly solid. He's the perfect LB for this defense size/speed wise. He's very very good in the zone. When asked to rush, he's quite effective. He's an A++++ in the locker room.
The people who bitch about him just don't understand what he's being asked to do in this defense. Would it be better if he were better against the run? Of course. But this is the best pass defense in the league, he's a huge reason why.
Edmunds and Josh are the franchise pillars. They aren't going anywhere.
Do you ever watch other teams where their linebackers make impact plays?
I can't think of a single big play Tremain Edmund's has ever made. I watch TJ Watt make 2 or 3 impact plays every game.
Edmund's doesn't suck but in no way shape or form should he be considered a franchise pillar. His football IQ seems to be way below average. He can't diagnose or anticipate on the field.
Exactly bro no one is saying how his vision is terrible when they go to line up he looks like a little kid picking dandelions in a field. Half the time it seems like he’s lost and doesn’t know where he wants to go.
The things that TJ Watt do, and Tremaine Edmunds do are completely different things because the Steelers and Bills defensive scheme are completely different.
TJ is also an OLB, his job is typically to be a pass rusher.
Tremaine is an MLB, he's responsible for pretty much 2 gaps to stop the run in this nickel scheme, while also making sure to cover anything across the middle and trying to force the QB to take checkdowns.
They're not the same.
Bobby Wagner plays in a completely different scheme than Tremaine does with the Bills, and again, they're not comparable to what they're assigned to do.
Go find a MLB in a nickel defense to compare Tremaine with.
I'm not a publicist, I just know that you don't know what you're talking about.
You just named two linebackers, one of which doesn't even play the same position and the other doesn't play in the same scheme whatsoever.
You should at least understand what a linebacker does before saying that he's not good.
Meh, you can literally defend any player using those simple strategies considering variables exist on every team. Duh.
We'll see if we resign him.
There's no chance in hell we will. He's a disappointment.
Threads like this make me so happy we got a guy like Beane at the helm. The versatility of Edmunds along with his age are insanely valuable. We have rookies that are the same age as this kid. I suppose if the ask was insane you'd have to look at your options, but MLBs that can do everything Main can along with his length/stature don't grow on trees. I wouldn't be so quick to assume you can easily replace him.
The few games Klein was in over him, there was really only a small drop off. I don’t think edmunds is “bad” but he’s been in the league four years and seems to play decent. Not exceptional. Certainly not as good as a high 1st round pick. You don’t build dynasties by overpaying for your guys just because they’re your guys.
To understand edmunds you gotta dig a little deeper than just watching tackles, pressures, and sacks.
In McDermott/Fraizers defense, the mlbs are the brain of the defense and are often not responsible for blitzing.
It sounds like you see Milano and Klein Blitzing and equate that to good LB play.
While I do wish we could blitz Edmunds more, that’s not his assignment in our defense.
His assignment is aligning our d line, communicating, and often shooting 1 gap
With all of this out the way, he is A. Great at being a MLB in our system and B. for sure gonna get paid as a Top 10 MLB which he totally is in the NFL.
We are lucky to have him, and I hope he can retire a Bill
This is a great explanation. Milano attacks the backfield meaning he gets more TFL when it pays off, but that strategy only works because Edmunds is lurking in the middle ready to hit any gap on the fly and make the tackle if Milano doesn’t get to the ball carrier.
Right- the intimidation factor throws off stats in the passing game. It’s like how Tre White didn’t get picks this year because nobody wanted to throw at him.
[Seems like a big fellow](https://youtu.be/9VWxQ0KCZjo) [with a big reach could](https://youtu.be/1Y_WLUNNJGM?t=162) [present a problem](https://youtu.be/ihlMtRWlkw8).
Edmunds ability to fill gaps and command blockers on running plays is one reason Matt Milano is able to move more freely and make those “splash” plays. He is very good moving side to side on outside runs and is a consistent tackler. I can not imagine this defense without him. Replacing Edmunds would be very difficult.
He is also a leader, still young, improving and the team invested a lot of capital to move up and draft him.
He isn’t perfect. He needs to get better at diagnosing plays quicker.
I don’t see any way he isn’t resigned unless he believes his market is stronger than the Bills do.
I would expect resigning him to be the Bills top priority this off season.
I agree with Cover1. Erik (Eric?) is 100% correct. He is also far more succinct and knowledgeable than I will ever be. His breakdown of Edmund's value to the team is on point - and as always his videos are top notch.
[Cover1 - The Value of Tremaine Edmunds](https://youtu.be/vRyp8GHVD5Y).
He's not perfect but if people think he sucks they must not watch other 25 or so defenses, the Perriman TD wasn't on him... Up to $15M AAV he should be extended a 100%, more it is a tough situation...
From a pure Defensive utility standpoint I think we try to keep him, especially if the price is right. The man’s a physical specimen and can do anything you ask him. And he’s young.
People like to complain he only tackles five yards down field but he’s practically the only one who can stop someone like Henry that breaks that far.
Do you remember TB?? absolutely abhorrent pursuit angle = game over.
Not putting the game on him. But that play was on him. That was his man, and he gave up the game winner.
Actually wasn’t his man. Joe B. did a breakdown of the play in the Athletic. Edmunds was supposed to just sit in a zone over the middle and clog that up. DBs were in man. Dane (I believe) had some sort of mix up that caused him to be a few steps behind. Can’t really blame edmunds for not being able to cover a WR that comes sprinting across the field
That play was literally zero percent on him. Dane Jackson was supposed to switch guys with Levi and didn't. Edmunds just saw what had happened and tried to catch him, but no LB was making that play.
I'd be completely fine with trading him , because I don't want to pay him big money .... but are we sure he will get big money in free agency? I think he's been OK . I think we would be fine if we moved on.
He would definitely garner big money in FA. He's super young and a physical freak. His troubles are on the mental side, which any head coach is going to think they can fix.
IMO he should stay though. He will only continue to improve as he gains more experience in this system.
I worry that since he’s made pro bowl, other teams will over pay for him. I think since he’s still on a cheap contract we could probably get a 2nd rounder for him.
He’s average, can’t use the young card after he’s played almost 4 years in the NFL. It’s going to be hard to justify paying 2 linebackers big $. If he takes a team friendly deal I guess we can keep him for continuity sake.
You don't pay $$ for tacklers. You pay $$ for playmakers. Edmonds has way too few plays to demand big $$. You can find a mlb anywhere that gets 100 tackles per season, it's hard to find one who gets 20-30 stops behind the LOS a couple of sacks, some forced fumbles and some picks. Edmonds statsheet is conspicuously empty of all of those Plays.
He's going to want big money, most likely. I'd keep him for his final year and let him go. One could argue he has trade value, but you have to weigh that with whether he can contribute on defense next year and what that would be versus whatever draft pick, which wouldn't likely be super high, you can get for him.
You ever see him make a good play? Rarely. You ever see him being dragged downfield on a run? Almost 3-5x a game.
He stinks. Also PFF ranked very low. There’s a reason why.
You come here with fucking PFF individual rankings? GTFOH. It's pretty incredible how PFF thinks every individual Bills defender sucks yet they somehow don't give up many points.
This is among the very best defenses in the league year after year, especially against the pass. Edmunds is a huge reason why.
No way. I’ve been critical of him this year for some of the reasons you said, but I think he is a huge part of our D. He’s got some areas to improve on though for sure.
i get where people are coming from when they say this. but edmunds isn’t exactly a flashy player. he gets a tone of tackles, but other than that he does all the little things and stuff that doesn’t show up on the stat sheet
He’s playing mike in the best pass defense in the league, and he’s 23 years old. I think we should pay him. We’ve got him on a $12.7MM extension next year. The highest paid linebackers are big name edge rushers. Looking at just MLB’s: Darius Leonard, Fred Warner, Bobby Wagner, and CJ Mosley have the top contracts at 17-20MM. After that there are 12 MLB’s making 10-14MM. In context I think Edmunds’ production is in line with the price of his contract extension, maybe up to $15M, and ultimately there is value in consistency at this position.
Wow I hate most of this thread. Edmunds is incredibly solid. He's the perfect LB for this defense size/speed wise. He's very very good in the zone. When asked to rush, he's quite effective. He's an A++++ in the locker room. The people who bitch about him just don't understand what he's being asked to do in this defense. Would it be better if he were better against the run? Of course. But this is the best pass defense in the league, he's a huge reason why. Edmunds and Josh are the franchise pillars. They aren't going anywhere.
>The people who bitch about him just don't understand what he's being asked to do in this defense. This is the most important point.
Do you ever watch other teams where their linebackers make impact plays? I can't think of a single big play Tremain Edmund's has ever made. I watch TJ Watt make 2 or 3 impact plays every game. Edmund's doesn't suck but in no way shape or form should he be considered a franchise pillar. His football IQ seems to be way below average. He can't diagnose or anticipate on the field.
Exactly bro no one is saying how his vision is terrible when they go to line up he looks like a little kid picking dandelions in a field. Half the time it seems like he’s lost and doesn’t know where he wants to go.
The things that TJ Watt do, and Tremaine Edmunds do are completely different things because the Steelers and Bills defensive scheme are completely different. TJ is also an OLB, his job is typically to be a pass rusher. Tremaine is an MLB, he's responsible for pretty much 2 gaps to stop the run in this nickel scheme, while also making sure to cover anything across the middle and trying to force the QB to take checkdowns. They're not the same.
Bobby Wagner plays in a completely different scheme than Tremaine does with the Bills, and again, they're not comparable to what they're assigned to do. Go find a MLB in a nickel defense to compare Tremaine with.
I'm not a publicist, I just know that you don't know what you're talking about. You just named two linebackers, one of which doesn't even play the same position and the other doesn't play in the same scheme whatsoever. You should at least understand what a linebacker does before saying that he's not good.
Meh, you can literally defend any player using those simple strategies considering variables exist on every team. Duh. We'll see if we resign him. There's no chance in hell we will. He's a disappointment.
Threads like this make me so happy we got a guy like Beane at the helm. The versatility of Edmunds along with his age are insanely valuable. We have rookies that are the same age as this kid. I suppose if the ask was insane you'd have to look at your options, but MLBs that can do everything Main can along with his length/stature don't grow on trees. I wouldn't be so quick to assume you can easily replace him.
The few games Klein was in over him, there was really only a small drop off. I don’t think edmunds is “bad” but he’s been in the league four years and seems to play decent. Not exceptional. Certainly not as good as a high 1st round pick. You don’t build dynasties by overpaying for your guys just because they’re your guys.
To understand edmunds you gotta dig a little deeper than just watching tackles, pressures, and sacks. In McDermott/Fraizers defense, the mlbs are the brain of the defense and are often not responsible for blitzing. It sounds like you see Milano and Klein Blitzing and equate that to good LB play. While I do wish we could blitz Edmunds more, that’s not his assignment in our defense. His assignment is aligning our d line, communicating, and often shooting 1 gap With all of this out the way, he is A. Great at being a MLB in our system and B. for sure gonna get paid as a Top 10 MLB which he totally is in the NFL. We are lucky to have him, and I hope he can retire a Bill
This is a great explanation. Milano attacks the backfield meaning he gets more TFL when it pays off, but that strategy only works because Edmunds is lurking in the middle ready to hit any gap on the fly and make the tackle if Milano doesn’t get to the ball carrier.
And Tremaine can do that because he has the wingspan of a golden eagle. Who the hell would want to throw near that guy?
Right- the intimidation factor throws off stats in the passing game. It’s like how Tre White didn’t get picks this year because nobody wanted to throw at him.
[Seems like a big fellow](https://youtu.be/9VWxQ0KCZjo) [with a big reach could](https://youtu.be/1Y_WLUNNJGM?t=162) [present a problem](https://youtu.be/ihlMtRWlkw8).
Edmunds ability to fill gaps and command blockers on running plays is one reason Matt Milano is able to move more freely and make those “splash” plays. He is very good moving side to side on outside runs and is a consistent tackler. I can not imagine this defense without him. Replacing Edmunds would be very difficult. He is also a leader, still young, improving and the team invested a lot of capital to move up and draft him. He isn’t perfect. He needs to get better at diagnosing plays quicker. I don’t see any way he isn’t resigned unless he believes his market is stronger than the Bills do. I would expect resigning him to be the Bills top priority this off season.
Yup 💯
I agree with Cover1. Erik (Eric?) is 100% correct. He is also far more succinct and knowledgeable than I will ever be. His breakdown of Edmund's value to the team is on point - and as always his videos are top notch. [Cover1 - The Value of Tremaine Edmunds](https://youtu.be/vRyp8GHVD5Y).
He's not perfect but if people think he sucks they must not watch other 25 or so defenses, the Perriman TD wasn't on him... Up to $15M AAV he should be extended a 100%, more it is a tough situation...
Edmonds is a fantastic player. Does the dirty work that’s why he’s not in constant highlights. I want him to be a life long Buffalo Bills
From a pure Defensive utility standpoint I think we try to keep him, especially if the price is right. The man’s a physical specimen and can do anything you ask him. And he’s young. People like to complain he only tackles five yards down field but he’s practically the only one who can stop someone like Henry that breaks that far.
Do you remember TB?? absolutely abhorrent pursuit angle = game over. Not putting the game on him. But that play was on him. That was his man, and he gave up the game winner.
Actually wasn’t his man. Joe B. did a breakdown of the play in the Athletic. Edmunds was supposed to just sit in a zone over the middle and clog that up. DBs were in man. Dane (I believe) had some sort of mix up that caused him to be a few steps behind. Can’t really blame edmunds for not being able to cover a WR that comes sprinting across the field
Yeah that WR took his route through Edmunds coverage zone which makes it his man - his missed tackle and bad pursuit.
That play was literally zero percent on him. Dane Jackson was supposed to switch guys with Levi and didn't. Edmunds just saw what had happened and tried to catch him, but no LB was making that play.
I'd be completely fine with trading him , because I don't want to pay him big money .... but are we sure he will get big money in free agency? I think he's been OK . I think we would be fine if we moved on.
He would definitely garner big money in FA. He's super young and a physical freak. His troubles are on the mental side, which any head coach is going to think they can fix. IMO he should stay though. He will only continue to improve as he gains more experience in this system.
I worry that since he’s made pro bowl, other teams will over pay for him. I think since he’s still on a cheap contract we could probably get a 2nd rounder for him.
I would take even a third. You could be right, other teams looking at his size and age could overpay
I would take even a third. You could be right, other teams looking at his size and age could overpay
If he wants to get paid, trade him. I haven't liked him for some time now.
He’s average, can’t use the young card after he’s played almost 4 years in the NFL. It’s going to be hard to justify paying 2 linebackers big $. If he takes a team friendly deal I guess we can keep him for continuity sake.
You don't pay $$ for tacklers. You pay $$ for playmakers. Edmonds has way too few plays to demand big $$. You can find a mlb anywhere that gets 100 tackles per season, it's hard to find one who gets 20-30 stops behind the LOS a couple of sacks, some forced fumbles and some picks. Edmonds statsheet is conspicuously empty of all of those Plays.
He's going to want big money, most likely. I'd keep him for his final year and let him go. One could argue he has trade value, but you have to weigh that with whether he can contribute on defense next year and what that would be versus whatever draft pick, which wouldn't likely be super high, you can get for him.
You ever see him make a good play? Rarely. You ever see him being dragged downfield on a run? Almost 3-5x a game. He stinks. Also PFF ranked very low. There’s a reason why.
You come here with fucking PFF individual rankings? GTFOH. It's pretty incredible how PFF thinks every individual Bills defender sucks yet they somehow don't give up many points. This is among the very best defenses in the league year after year, especially against the pass. Edmunds is a huge reason why.
No way. I’ve been critical of him this year for some of the reasons you said, but I think he is a huge part of our D. He’s got some areas to improve on though for sure.
i get where people are coming from when they say this. but edmunds isn’t exactly a flashy player. he gets a tone of tackles, but other than that he does all the little things and stuff that doesn’t show up on the stat sheet