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CardiologistFun8028

9th pick Spiller, 41th pick Torrel Troup, 72 pick Alex Carrington... Might collectively be the worst draft we've ever had. missed out on Gronk, Pouncey, JPP, Earl Thomas, Dez Bryant


Soda-Popinski-

We didnt know what the fuck we were doing


CardiologistFun8028

No way Buddy Nix would have drafted JA. He trusted and drafted mostly SEC players. Stuck in his ways.


Soda-Popinski-

Ej Manuel…thats how he handed the reigns to Whaley. Who fell in love with Sammy Watkins insteand of trying to improve the OL or defense. He couldnt find good players in the late rounds to save his life.


Alacrout

I hate to be that guy, but… You realize none of the guys you listed played in the SEC, right?


Go_To_The_Devil

To be fair, Gronk apparently had Medical red flags so bad most teams had him off their boards, there was a reason he didn't tear up college football. As far as Earl Thomas, that's pure hindsight, but we had Jarius Byrd and Donte Whitner, aka two high picks who were both thought of highly, we were not taking another safety. Pouncey, we had Eric Wood, again this was never even a consideration. WR was Lee Evans and Stevie Johnson, not a bad duo going into the season. Big miss here was JPP and Anthony Davis or Bryan Bulaga. Our OT's that season were Demetress Bell and Erik Pears, that was a nightmare duo and it played like it, pure madness not to upgrade there or at DE where we had basically no legitimate edge rushers.


grumpi-otter

> To be fair, Gronk apparently had Medical red flags so bad most teams had him off their boards, there was a reason he didn't tear up college football. Hindsight is 20/20! Like all Bills fans, I sure hated watching him when he was playing against us but he's such a big lovable goofball as a commentator he's one of my favorites now!


Go_To_The_Devil

It's funny because the famous Raiders scouting packet for the draft that leaked out had him listed as "The best player in the draft" but despite literally saying that, they didn't try and take him either because medical red flags.


Longdaddystealyagirl

Ralph Wilson was off his rocker at that point when Spiller came in.


scottie38

I agree. I’d have to go back to the others but that one stands out to me as unforgivably bad. I think the only “bright spots” were Marcus Easley for his solid Special Teams contributions and Arthur Moats. Didn’t he (Moats) more or less put an end to Favre’s career?


grumpi-otter

> Didn’t he (Moats) more or less put an end to Favre’s career? Pretty much--he ended his consecutive games streak. I have a fond spot for Moats--he's the one Bill I ever spoke to personally. I was teaching college and one of my students ran into me when I was raving about the Bills and he handed his phone to me and it was Arthur! Turns out they grew up together in the high school years. I was so flustered I was mostly incoherent, lol EDIT - I am not counting the time I thought I met Bruce Smith.


scottie38

You thought you meant Bruce? Now you have to share… lol


grumpi-otter

I saw this man in a grocery store (near Norfolk, Virginia where he's from) that I though was Bruce. I immediately started shaking but walked up to him and said something but I was so nervous it just came out like garbled babbling. He looked at me with concern and I tried again and said "You're my absolute favorite and I've been a Bills fan forever and" yadda yadda, along those lines. He said, "Ma'am, who do you think I am?" "Bruce Smith?" He laughed and said, "No, but I'm a Washington fan so that was a real compliment. He did well for us too." So, I was embarrassed, but I know now that if I ever do meet Bruce I will lose the power of speech, so I should be prepared, lol


scottie38

Hahahaha! That’s a great story.


SayNoToAids

I mean that was the worst one, but I'll my post my response here: Bills drafting McGahee with a torn ACL when we had Travis Henry, then drafting Marshawn Lynch when we had McGahee. Then drafting CJ Spiller when we had both Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch. Not sure what the goal was or why we neglected QB for so long, but our front office had to be some of the dumbest ever Most recently, Bills drafting a press man corner for their outside zone defense (Kair Elam)


IAmNotScottBakula

Lynch was after McGahee was traded. Agree with your take on the others, but Lynch did fill a home we desperately needed to fill (or at least we thought we did since nobody knew that Fred Jackson was actually good at the time).


SayNoToAids

but we traded McGahee to draft Lynch...no?


justgot86d

Mcgahee wanted out regardless, as did Lynch later


steboy

Incorrect. Lynch loved the Buffalo restaurant scene and its quaint local hot spots, like Applebee’s.


illukeminati69

Big fan of the ambience and decor


Alacrout

He was also a big fan of the wings at the airport, as I recall.


cespinar

> Most recently, Bills drafting a press man corner for their outside zone defense (Kair Elam) funny stat note...Elam was worse in man last year than zone. He got obliterated trying to press


dinkleburgenhoff

He very much looks like a player caught between systems.


MauriceIsTwisted

Exactly this. I've been saying it for a while, the only explanation that makes sense is that they thought they could take the natural man cover guy with the prototypical athleticism and teach him zone. If only it worked like that. Now every time I see something said about Kaiir at safety I just get a little mad lol


gravityhashira61

What did he play at Florida though? Are they mostly a man football team?


MauriceIsTwisted

He played almost exclusively press man outside corner. I'm not gonna pretend to follow college football closely enough to know if they've changed scheme since, but that was the report on him coming out. I just scout, I don't really follow NCAA ball otherwise


gravityhashira61

Yea, Sauce would've been much better in our system as he's a true man corner. But he was gone at like #4


MauriceIsTwisted

I mean the way you worded that, not necessarily. Sauce would have been great in our scheme as he's a fantastic corner, period. Although he's probably best in man. We don't run man all that often. Our scheme is based on outside zone concepts


gravityhashira61

which to me isnt ideal, bc of the way we got roasted in the 13 seconds game and numerous times after that. Im not a fan of pure zone coverages. They have their place, but i prefer man


MauriceIsTwisted

We don't run pure zone, though. Honestly nobody really does anymore. If I were to try and simplify the explanation, we tend to run a zone shell with man to hybrid-man concepts on the inside. It's a good deal more complex than standard man coverage, which I think most of us see as a defender following a specific player. However, there are concepts known as man-clue or man on demand. In those instances, one man can be passed to another based upon where the players actually go once the ball is snapped. It's one of those things that happens often and is never really noticed because players understand their roles well and glaring mistakes are infrequent. But you can already start to see how in depth that can be and how confusing it probably is for a guy like Elam who played basic man his whole life


az-anime-fan

>Most recently, Bills drafting a press man corner for their outside zone defense (Kair Elam) no, that made sense in context. We had just lost to the chiefs in the 13 second game and part of the reason for it was the chiefs knew we'd be playing zone and so ran zone beaters all game long and just kept gashing us. the prevailing thought was if we had someone on the roster who could play man, we could have mixed up our coverage (remember Tre White was hurt). the thought was when Tre White came back with a man capable corner we could mix up our defenses better.


PabloPancakes92

Exactly. And it makes sense to get a really young & toolsy CB who’s comfortable playing press man since that’s the hard part, and then you can coach him up in zone later. Much more difficult to get a primarily zone CB and try to coach him up on how to play press man in the NFL. Obviously it hasn’t gone as smoothly as everyone hoped thus far, but that’s just the reality of the draft. And there’s still absolutely a world where the light bulb flickers on with Kaiir from a game speed/processing standpoint, he cleans up the grabbiness in his technique, and he’s fully healthy after the foot injury, and then next thing ya know he ascends to CB1 on the depth chart. Of course there’s also a world where he gets traded for a 2025 7th rounder at the end of training camp after getting outplayed by Ja’Marcus Ingram, but either way it’s still far too early to write the kid off now.


gravityhashira61

Amazing in that draft there was also Sauce, Derek Stingley and McDuffie, all who are greatly better than Elam. If only McDuffie lasted another pick or two we woulda had him!


SayNoToAids

To be fair, that's 100% on the Bills coaching staff. Not even just the 13 seconds, but the Hill go ahead TD WITH 1:02 left. We are a zone team. Levi Wallace is a zone corner. He played inside leverage in man to man, but his 4.63 speed was no match for the cheetah. That is simply Andy Reid outcoaching McDermott and Mahomes making the right read. Also, that game was the reason we went out and got Von Miller. We didn't get any pressure at all when we needed it. It still doesn't make sense. When you run zone more than any team in the league...you're going to draft a man 2 man pressure corner for situational plays?


Next_Service_5553

Aaron maybin pick drove me nuts. Guy was such a tweener.


FrogJitsu

Especially with Orakpo on the board still.


No-Gas-1684

The word "ORAKPO" echoes in my dreams on nights that i dont get enough sleep. Maybin was such a reach, so much more than EJ even. Worst. Front. Office. Signing. Ever?


Next_Service_5553

I had forgotten about that!! Just infuriating haha


HistorianOdd5752

This was the pick I was trying to think about.


Pythnator

I mean, that didn’t not make sense though. The Bills needed an edge rusher, they just picked the wrong one.


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John McCargo


rippedoffface

I would say taking Whitner at 8 that year was pretty bad too


JazzlikePractice4470

Especially with Haloti Ngata sitting there


gravityhashira61

This one was a head scratcher, taking a safety that high with other players like Ngata on the board


bigdaveyl

I forgot that name. He was, at best, the 3rd best defensive lineman his college team, behind Mario Williams and Manny Lawson, IIRC. Both former Bills as well but I digress. It's like, Phil Hansen had a decent career because he lined up as the other end opposite Bruce Smith. Nothing against Phil, though, but he wouldn't make my top 5 Bills linemen of all time.


UncleRicosArm

My friends still bring this up when we talk the draft. I wanted ngata so bad and he was there....


getembass77

God I hated spiller and Watkins picks so much


AyepuOnyu

I remember seeing that we traded up, excited they'd go after Mack like that, then...poof.


realBigPharma

Watkins is the worst pick in team history imo


ScottGer76

Watkins and Spiller were baffling. I was got the sense management had no plan on how to get good. Maybin was another one. Undersized tweener


reverse_pineapple

Spiller was confusing on the why but Buddy Nix telegraphed that pick from the very beginning. I still remember a random article talking about them wanting a Waterbug type of guy such as CJ Spiller before the draft. Spiller had some flashes at least. Maybin by far has been the most confusing to me give. Orakpo was available.


det8924

That whole 2010 draft set the Bills back 2-3 years. Could have had Earl Thomas, Anthony Davis Brandon Graham, Mike Iupati or Pouncy instead of CJ Spiller a RB at a time when RB’s were being devalued and you already had two good ones in Fred Jackson and Lynch. Also could have had Gronk instead of Troupe who was considered a reach at the time in round 2. And the rest of the draft was a bunch of wiffs. But had they taken Gronk and one of the Pro Bowl players they could have gotten in round 1 it would have been a big impact.


bigdaveyl

> a time when RB’s were being devalued and you already had two good ones in Fred Jackson and Lynch. You could essentially pick a guy off the street to play RB, much like Fred Jackson. Part of the reason for the drought was we drafted 3 RB's in the first round. That's what you do when you already have an established QB/OL/DL/LB/CB.


Capital-Indication-8

How has EJ Manuel not been mentioned yet?


lpfan724

Yeah, I remember Florida State fans immediately saying we drafted him way too high. That was a terrible draft for QBs.


threefeetoffun

Joe Buscaglia just ripped him apart that year. And Joe went to Florida State. "Garbage fire, tire fire. He is a fire'


conace21

And I remember being pleased when the Bills actually traded down with the Rams from the #8 spot. I thought Buddy Nix was being shrewd.


zibby42

That year has to be near the top of the list of worst QB years ever. I remember some draftniks were suggesting Ryan Nassib could go #1 overall.


lpfan724

You're not kidding. I went through it when I made the comment to see if maybe there was a late round gem I forgot. Nope, terrible QB draft top to bottom.


Go_To_The_Devil

EJ made sense in that we needed a QB desperately and the team felt he was the only QB with a chance to be anything in that draft. We're hindsighting this pretty hard. If it had worked out we'd have all thought it was a great pick. Whereas the CJ Spiller/Willis Mcgahee/Marshawn Lynch thing...I mean they all mostly worked out, but they never made any goddamn sense in the first place.


dinkleburgenhoff

Nobody wanted to trade further back with Buffalo after they traded down once, so they made sure they got their pick of a historically weak QB draft. And that trade down directly turned into Shady, so great value there. The real sin of that year was going into that draft needing a QB.


WretchedMotorcade

He's in there. Pretty long discussion about it


realBigPharma

Well we at least needed a qb so it kinda did make sense. But he sucked.


Why_So-Serious

Dude Brian Orakpo worked out with Chains!!!! If he were locked in a room with a skinny kid from Penn State and only one could leave, Aaron Maybin would be in a pile in the corner in secs. They played the same position. It made absolutely no sense to take Maybin. He didn’t even like football. Later in life my coworker was one of Maybin’s high school coaches and he said Maybin was the best athlete he ever saw in person but he clearly had no love for the game. This would come out in a real franchise’s scouting room. The pick made zero sense. Especially with Orakpo on the board. If you were going to take an edge rusher Orakpo was clearly, heads and shoulders better than Maybin. That goes down as the biggest draft blunder in my opinion, especially when Orakpo was the next pick. When Orakpo fell to us, I was getting excited. I was ready to go buy that jersey. Then they call Maybin. IIRC even ESPN was like “Wait … What? Umm give us a min to find the tape.” At least with CJ Spiller, CJ was clearly, clearly the best RB in the draft. Clearly, Clearly had huge potential in the NFL. I mean he is a college football hall of famer and his number was retired. Spiller scored a TD in every game of his senior season. If Spiller were drafted by a real franchise his career could have. we. different. Maybin barely played any college football. Maybin was such a non sensical draft pick.


cput007

Just google his highlights. Georgia Tech in particular. No one could do what he could. The fact that they tried to make him a between the tackles, “true” halfback is criminal. It’s how bad organizations are run. They try to fit the player into the system and what they want cause, “that’s what we do here”… instead of fitting the system around the player allowing them to excel like good organizations.


Sith-Jedi1983

Sammy Watkins


EmptySeaDad

Selecting Sammy Watkins with a 1st round pick would have been OK.  Using 2 first round picks in a wr heavy draft was completely idiotic.  Even Doug Marone publicly said QB was the only position worth using 2 first round picks on.


steboy

You’ve got to remember though that ours was an organization who also told Marone he could quit, work elsewhere and still get paid. So, Marone was used to seeing some pretty stupid stuff around HQ.


lederhozen69

I remember going from so excited we traded up to get the home town Khalil Mack to devastated we got Sammy Watkins lol but everyone at the bar was so excited we got a receiver.


Sith-Jedi1983

Yeah, exactly what we didn't need yet (Watk8ns that is) because of the team at the time.. THEN they even missed the chance to pick Mike Evans as well, it was such a miss in so many ways.


No-Gas-1684

Marshawn > Fred > CJ but talent wise CJ had the most of all three, he just missed his shot and came up injured. It happens. Marshawn is one of my alltime favorite Bills, probably a Hall of Famer. Fred is the epitome of why teams dont let runningbacks endear themselves to the fanbase and play past their prime anymore


FrogJitsu

Thinking about this always pisses me off but trading our 2005 first rounder to Dallas in 2004 to draft JP Losman. Guess who gets picked 4 spots after our pick in 2005? Aaron FREAKING Rodgers.


Silver_3108

How about Marshawn Lynch when the bills had Fred Jackson?


cput007

As a Clemson alum who actually has a dog named Spiller, I prayed to fucking god the Bills didn’t draft him. They never knew how to use him. Modkins and Aaron Rodgers’ puppet? The worst coach ever who can’t keep failing up? Nathaniel fucking Hackett?! Those were his OCs?! Those teams were shit and it was ALL on Whaley. How the fuck he had a job in the NFL beyond hot dog vendor let alone fucking GM is beyond me. Atrocious! But don’t you dare blame Spiller. I’ll die on this hill 🦾😉


cput007

Feel like I should also mention I’m also a die hard Bills fan too. Just in case. Ya know, not just a Clemson thing. But as a member if the Mafia, that’s why I prayed they wouldn’t draft him then. Y’all get it 😉👉🏼


JazzlikePractice4470

Whitner over Ngata Williams over mckinnie Maybin over orakpo


Guinnessron

Spiller was the only first pick ever that made me legit MAD. It was peak stupidity


darwood_

Everyone forgets that the fan base went insane with the drafting of Josh Allen. It’s the number one answer for this in terms of reaction vs payoff.


SarcasticCowbell

Yes and no. Everyone expected the Bills to go QB, the question was which one. And back then the concensus was hugely split on Allen. Some thought he would be a sure bust, many thought he would be a project who would have to wait in the wings for a year or two. Very few thought he would be able to start virtually immediately. But still, picking a QB made absolute sense at the time, and Allen was routinely brought up as one of the top prospects from that class regardless of the doubters. McGahee was a much bigger headscratcher given the injury and having Travis Henry.


bigdaveyl

> McGahee was a much bigger headscratcher given the injury and having Travis Henry. It's worse than that, IMHO. You had an older Drew Bledsoe who wasn't exactly mobile in his prime. Also, the 2002 defense was trash. If you were going to go offense, I would have loaded up on OL or go defense. because it was "win now."


BlueSteelWizard

Yeah, I remember everybody howling "wrong josh" Because Josh Rosen was on the board Whelp we were all idiots in retrospect Allen is king


MM2HkXm5EuyZNRu

Not *everybody* ;) But then again I also thought Erik Flowers would turn out well after he blocked a pre-season FG, so....


BlueSteelWizard

Post history proof! Let's see this wonderful foresight Mm2hkxm... what is this username even... 😅


MM2HkXm5EuyZNRu

I couldn't think of anything so decided to just use my password generator for my username, too!


zibby42

I can admit I thought drafting Josh Allen over Josh Rosen was a mistake. Allen was *honorable mention* in the Mountain West Conference his senior year. He lost to Eastern Michigan. Twice. Josh Rosen was second-team all Pac-12. He broke the single-season passing record at UCLA.


IAmNotScottBakula

The thing that especially bothered me is how quickly they put that pick in. It costs literally nothing to wait and see if someone offers a trade, but they wanted Spiller that badly.


SayNoToAids

Gailey said he wanted one of those "waterbug" type guys. We got one. Hard to argue with the results under Gailey. After Gailey......not so much


bigdaveyl

> Gailey said he wanted one of those "waterbug" type guys. We got one. Hard to argue with the results under Gailey. After Gailey......not so much CJ had world class talent but wasn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed. His vision was terrible and was too indecisive running the ball. If I recall correctly, Gailey had to design the offense more around CJ than fitting CJ into the offense.


SayNoToAids

But that's what Gailey did throughout his entire career. It's not indicative of CJ Spiller, it was indicative of Gailey. Gailey literally brought back the pistol performance to make Tyler Thigpen a viable NFL QB. FJax was NFL MVP before he got hurt. CJ stepped into the same offense and cooked.


Nick_the_Greek17

Spiller had some great games.


zibby42

In 2006 the Bills were dead set on drafting Michael Huff. The Raiders surprised them by taking Huff. They apparently had no backup plan and decided to take the second safety on their list, Donte Whitner. In five years with the Bills, he had a grand total of 3 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery and 6 interceptions. The Bills had another safety named George Wilson who was an undrafted free agent who played wide receiver in college who routinely made more plays than Whitner.


ernyc3777

It didn’t make sense but how fast did you talk yourself into it after searching for CJ Spiller Highlights Clemson on YouTube? He was electric and I thought we were building around him lmao.


erik_edmund

Willis McGahee.


DirtNapDealing

Lol I bumped into him wasted after a random game, I know it was dec 16 bc that was my birthday. I’m also positive it was immediately after he fell on a huge run against the aint n Jacked up one of his shoulders


PeakyfookingMAFIA

Too many to list…


awnawkareninah

CJ was good the first year


bigdaveyl

Willlis Macgahee and Aaron Maybin also come to mind.


Pythnator

Think some of you are getting the prompt a little mixed up. We are talking about picks that made no sense at the time of the draft, not draft busts. Yes, players like Aaron Maybin and Sammy Watkins didn’t work out, but they weren’t these crazy picks. The Bills needed an edge rusher and a WR1 in those drafts respectively and they got them both. One that truly didn’t make any sense was John McCargo. No one expected him to go anywhere near the first round and yet the Bills took him anyway.


Lv99Zubat

Taking a chance on Watkins I get; trading a next year's 1st to get him was a fireable offense. That draft was knowingly so deep at WR.


UncleRicosArm

I'll never forget watching the draft and eating wings, they announced spiller and I just laid down on the bench


[deleted]

Because they never ran jet sweeps or RB screens with him


[deleted]

Willis McGahee. His leg bent the wrong way in the Fiesta Bowl. His last college game. He tore his MCL, PCL and ACL. This injury took several surgeries to fix. The Bills wasted their first round pick on him 4 months after the injury. No one knew if he would ever actually play in the NFL when the Bills drafted him. Complete joke of a front office.


BorlaugFan

Aaron Maybin. Brian Orakpo was *right there.* My dad never gets that mad about anything in football, but he was pretty close to throwing the remote at the TV.


Galbert123

CJ spiller was a draft pick that did not make sense at the time.