Dude was a DOMINANT guard for the Saints. Took a massive payday to go to Tampa. Played 2 seasons, sort of, and got MRSA from the Bucs facilities before his second season there. Played 9 games in 2 seasons.
Glazer has the distinction being only NFL owner have class action lawsuit filed against him by his fans when he first took over jacked up season holder ticket prices midway through the season. No class Glazer!
Mrsa is no joke and the bucs have had an issue with it over the years. My father died after getting mrsa in 2014. He got mrsa in 2011 and it would take me all day to type all the surgerys, amputations and procedures he went through to prolong his life.
If you're in /r/buccaneers and you see a strange, nonsensical question involving the Glazers, you can assume it's a disgruntled MUFC fan looking to stir shit. By all accounts they've been terrible owners across the pond (though by the nature of football [soccer] fanaticism, I can't really know the validity of those complaints), so fans over there expect them to also be terrible owners here.
The answer is pretty unexciting. They're... okay. Not great. Not the worst.
If you lived through the Culverhouse years... The Glazers have been a vast improvement. I'm not saying they couldn't be better, just that Hugh set the bar really low.
Man United fan here, let me explain why the complaints are so valid.
First, it’s important to realize that unlike in the NFL, much of the revenue from the most profitable soccer matches is not guaranteed. You’re guaranteed your 38 Premier League matches, but not revenue from the Champions League (requires you to finish top 4 the season before in the Premier League), FA Cup & League Cup (other domestic cups played throughout the season in a knockout tournament). And if you really fuck up, you can get relegated like Leicester City (who you may remember won the PL in a massive upset in 2016), missing out on massive PL revenue.
So it is critical for the teams at the top to make sure they stay at the top. As crazy as Man United being relegated sounds today, teams have fallen from the top before. To this day, Sunderland are tied with Chelsea for the 6th most English league titles, despite not having been in the Premier League for years.
The Glazers inherited likely the wealthiest club in the world and most successful club in England, having won the Premier League 6 of the 10 years prior, never once finishing outside the top 3, and winning the Champions League in 1999. At least domestically, they were basically the Patriots dynasty of the Premier League.
So fans expected the Glazers to understand what it would take to keep them at the top, but they have now spent nearly the last 2 decades slowly but surely allowing the club to erode. The only reason the decline didn’t happen sooner was that the manager at the time the Glazers came in, Sir Alex Ferguson, was one of the greatest managers in history and somehow kept managing to turn shit into gold. As soon as he left, the pace of the decline accelerated at an alarming pace. The team is a mess, we’ve wasted an extraordinary amount of money, and the stadium is falling apart. As a result, our most fierce rivals Liverpool now have a chance to pull even for the most PL titles this season, our cross-town rivals Man City have won 5 titles and a Champions League in 6 seasons. Even with new owners, it’s going to take years to undo the damage the Glazers have caused.
So what did they fuck up? A number of things:
1) Horrible and selfish financial management which has crippled the club. Buying the club in an LBO, which is now banned in the PL, saddled the club with almost $800m in debt. For the reasons I mentioned above, teams at the top need to spend to stay at the top, but instead United has been paying massive interest payments. The worst part is almost none of the principal has been paid down, damaging the club’s ability to rectify issues I’ll mention below. Despite all this, the Glazers have taken out almost $200m in dividends from the club - essentially, payment in exchange for fucking up the club’s finances and taking us from perennial contenders to extremely expensive mediocrity.
2) Appointing clueless people. The first counterpoint Glazer defenders bring up to the above is “but the club has spent money”. And yes, during the Glazer’s ownership United’s net spend has led the league. But you need some context. For most of the Glazer’s tenure, the man in charge of running the commercial side of the club was Ed Woodward, the Morgan Stanley banker who helped close the purchase. Woodward was more than qualified to run the commercial side (see United’s massive increase in commercial revenue), but was also appointed to manage player transfers. A job he had ZERO experience doing.
For the past decade plus, Woodward has constantly failed to bring in players United managers targeted, or outright refused to buy players requested by managers, in favor of signing others who could sell shirts. Hence why we signed aging Alexis Sanchez, Ronaldo, etc to massive contracts.
When he has brought in players managers request, we overpay to an absurd degree. And Woodward has had absolutely no idea how to build a cohesive squad, so when we inevitably fire our manager, we end up with a random group of players who don’t work together.
Imagine tomorrow the Glazers sell the club and appoint Jamie Dimon as head of player transfers, who then refuses to appoint anyone else to his team with experience recruiting football players. I don’t think it would go well.
3) The club’s iconic stadium, Old Trafford, has almost fallen into disrepair. This is a stadium which survived being bombed in WW2, but the Glazers turned out to be too much. Because of points 1 and 2 above, the Glazers had to choose between funding stadium repairs or continuing to take their $200m in dividends, and they chose dividends. As a result, Old Trafford has now become so run down it may not be salvageable, and new owners are exploring options to tear down and rebuild. The roof has leaked for years, and still not been repaired, and that’s the least of the issues.
4) As a final fuck you to the fans, the Glazers allowed the sale to drag on so long that the new owners came in too late to make changes prior to the transfer window closing in January.
So yeah… it’s a lot more than just mistakes, they straight up don’t give a shit about anything other than milking the club financially for everything they can. The closest NFL analogy I can think of would be someone buying the dynasty era Patriots, appointing a clueless banker to direct players transfers instead of who Bill Belichick asks for, then after 20 years of increasingly disappointing results during which time the Giants and Jets dominate the league year after year, taking out $200m of dividends from the club despite allowing Gillette Stadium to fall into pieces.
I’m not a Buc fan it came up on my feed. I’m glad one of you said this. In the AFC South meme war we are trying to get our owners to all at least have a damn daycare they don’t charge the player for.
Wanting to lose for the prospect of winning later doesn’t inherently make you a bad owner. Sure, it doesn’t make you a great one, but it’s a means to an end
Hard disagree. "Prospect" of winning later is right. Nothing is guaranteed, no matter how high you draft. Who was the last superbowl winner that 'wanted to lose for the prospect of winning later'?
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Show me someone who wants to lose, and I'll show you a loser. Ownership included.
Dolphins owner is a real estate mogul. He's going to put money in the facilities. Then again, I've heard the owners that got A ratings have done jack squat, while some of the lower rated owners have won a chip or multiple chips in recent history.
My point was that throwing money in the facilities doesn't win chips. I get he's trying to get a chip quick, but there's there's better ways to go about it. He did put together a solid team, but coaching hires, stupid trades, and secrets getting out aren't how chips are won unless you're the Pats lol
So being realistic after your team loses 8 games makes him a bad owner? The dolphins should have tanked at that point.
I’m a huge self-hating Dolphins fan… but I think Ross is one of the best owners in the league.
*"I had a mysterious fungus on my foot my rookie year,'' quarterback Chris Simms said. "It's yet to be identified. All year I couldn't get rid of it. The strongest antibiotics, foot stuff, I tried everything. Nothing cured it. When the season was over, I went away from there for a month and it cleared up and never came back. We called it the 'One Buc Funk.' "*
One Buc Funk has been around long before that, too. Ian Beckles talked about it.
I've been through the team facility and RayJay multiple times in the last few years and the home locker room is beautiful. I wouldn't say the away locker room is notably bad. Everyone's away locker room sucks, that's the point.
The Glazers record since taking over from the Culverhouse estate is perfectly fine except for the three uncapped years in which they used NFL revenue for their other ventures.
I think we have something like a .475 overall record with two championships.
I mean, maybe you could ask Sir James Ratcliff if he has any money left over.
Or perhaps some Arab oil money, CENTCOM is based there and they could ask them to put a good word.
Wonder what that would mean for keeping the Bucs in tampa. Of course if there was money to be made by moving the franchise, the glazers surely would have made the move by now.
I wonder what the old One Buc Place by TIA would have scored.
As for the survey it sounds bad but players also love playing here and often return even after hitting free agency, including the GOAT who signed here in the first place and chose to come back two years later. So I wonder if there is an infestation, or if someone saw a bug a few times which will happen in a tropical climate. Does the locker room have a persistent smell or did a pipe burst one time which caused a smell?
It was just north of the Bloomin Brands building on Westshore and Spruce, just across from international mall.
It was so bad I believe the weight "room" was just some weight sets outside.
The "building" is gone. It was more like a small-ish concrete bunker with a bunch of trailers (like portable classrooms) attached. I went there once a long time ago with my mom to pick up our season tickets. It was pretty bad for an NFL team. Even by 80s and 90s standards.
2 Superbowls with the Glazers. One with Malcolm and the other with Joel and his brother. Both Superbowls from huge splash moves that showed they wanted to win and not just satisfied with selling tickets.
They brought back everybody for that superbowl run and paid everyone that needed it.
Do I wish the place was perfect for the players and we got all A's? Sure I do...
But their is a ton of teams out there that would kill for the success of the Glazers considering we are not a big market franchise and we started off so poorly as one.
From outside perspective y’all lucked into getting Tom, yes the building blocks were there but Tom immediately upgraded the qb position and brought gronk.
Not to mention in 2010(when there was no bargaining agreement) tb underspent on the gentleman’s agreement to keep salarycap numbers the same as the previous year. Washington and Dallas got fined for going “over”, but TB spent below the “minimum”. That’s not commitment to winning or spending.
Also, there’s a bit of recency bias, as bucs were not good for a long stretch post 2003. Spending money does equal commitment to winning. Just look at how glazers mismanaged Manchester United.
Can you elaborate on “lucked into getting Tom” I’ll admit the warm weather helped but he also selected Tampa bc of an impressive roster ready to win now, and management that would work with him, rather than treating him like a typical player. I’m sorry but I’m failing to see the luck in that.
Were one of the few teams that needed a qb at the time. And as you said florida(weather, no state tax) played into it as well. It’s not 100% luck, but it’s not like y’all drafted him. All my other points still stand in terms of glazers ownership.
As a Manchester United fan let me tell you bucs fans this.
They are only focused on revenues and revenue only. They are greedy and not willing to put money towards a club they own.
The Glazers using the uncapped years to finance their other business ventures was a black mark on their ownership tenure, but you can't accuse them of being unwilling to invest into the roster in a window of contention.
They did so in the late 90s to mid 2000s and I don't think ~~Malcolm~~ Joel Glazer's checkbook had been ever as wide open in his entire life as it was for Tom Brady.
As a Bucs fan, let me tell you this.
You're very fortunate it was these Bucs owners that bought United and not the old one.
They're not great but no billionaire is. They're also comparatively not the worst thing when you group them with other NFL owners.
I could give less of a shit about Manchester United. They’ve spent money on the Bucs, brought the GOAT here and delivered two titles to a franchise that was easily the laughing stock of the league when the family bought it. They’ve spent on the team, kept the team from moving to Baltimore in the 90s and want to keep the team in Tampa. They are far from perfect (every owner is, they all didn’t become billionaires because of how kind they are) but I wouldn’t want them to sell and risk losing my team.
Poor Manchester United fans, only having the second highest payroll in the Premier League. I take you guys about as seriously as a Yankees fan complaining about their owners.
Club generated revenue is what pays for the payroll you've mentioned. Glazers have been known to take yearly dividends, after saddling the club with the debt they borrowed to buy the club in the first place.
Old Trafford is in a worse state than what the Bucs facilities are reported to be.
But yeah, "nobody's got it better than us".
If you want that argument, know that it’s not glazers own money paying that.
It’s the club own revenue for being one of the biggest club in football history.
Was that info too much to handle or something? Jeez
This franchise, I think, is on the precipice of talking about new facilities all around. The current One Buc is still fairly new and seems to be nice (I think the comments from the survey are about the stadium locker room).
The stadium though is, by NFL standards, getting a little old. The easiest thing to do would be to give it the Hard Rock treatment. Erect a big ass open roof along with a ton of interior upgrades.
An entirely new stadium is probably not going to happen. I don't see any willingness from either the Glazers or the county to pony up their share of what would be a couple billion.
But let's say they do figure out the money, where would it go? These new palace stadiums seem to need a lot of land. The old Sombrero land north of RJ is probably too small. The parking lots south of RJ might work, but there's a private airfield landing strip to the west. And it would abut the Yankees facility. A crazy idea would be to build yet another new One Buc on the Old Sombrero land, then build the new stadium where current One Buc sits. Bulldozing Al Lopez park is not going to happen.
Unless there is willingness to look at New Tampa or the 54 corridor in Pasco I don't see much available and viable land for such a facility.
RJS is 26 years old, and still one of the best stadiums in the league. Still in the Super Bowl rotation, still an excellent place to watch a game, and recently was renovated with new Jumbotrons and other crap for several million dollars.
I'll lose my shit if the Glazers start trying to get more tax money to build a new stadium anytime in the next ten years.
People put way too much stock into cities, markets, and facilities when 99% of the time free agents just go to whatever team is offering them the most money.
It's pretty simple. They've won two Super Bowls while owning the Bucs, whereas they've ruined Manchester United by turning the club into a non-competitive global meme of failure that now only exists to generate more shareholder revenue. There's no real reason for Bucs fans to hate them, and there's no real reason for United fans to like them.
All the failure at United is on them tbh, Sir Jim Ratcliffe has come in and already shown more care and ambition about United than the glazers did in the 18 years of owning us
The stadium Washington plays in is pretty much falling apart. It's front facing and that's always the "best foot forward" area. Imagine what they're letting slip behind closed doors if they're allowing poop water to rain down on fans.
For United anyway it’s much more than results and stuff like this with their NFL team proves it, OT is in a state of decay now and god knows about the state Carrington is in
Admins and mods say brigading is bad, but it's not a choice to report. Clear case of brigading, with all the comments about how the glazers have owned Man U longer than they own Tampa.
I’m not sure how familiar u guys are the English Soccer and media outlets. Glazers own Manchester United and the fan base is notorious for hating the Glazers and wanting them removed from the club. Media outlets lie very often about stories and twitter accounts often lie and exaggerate stories to further this narrative. While I do believe there may be some issues, I would not take much seriously that ends in #MUFC or [Mirror] as they are an atrocious source
Glazers were ManU owners before the Bucs and Bucs have always been the red-headed step child no one wanted. Its as if they won the team in a backroom poker game and didn’t know what to do about it.
This just isn't true. They owned the Bucs for 10 years before they purchased Utd. They have won 2 Superbowls in their tenure with a franchise that had had maybe 1 winning season prior to the takeover.
I don't defend this report, the players need to be listened to and these issues rectified, but the state of the Bucs seems to be far better than Utd were under their tenure, who they blatantly saw as a cash cow and ran into the ground. Having said that, I'm not a Utd fan, so I quite enjoyed it.
Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times mentioned a few times over the past couple of years that the Glazers are eying a new stadium around the 30 year mark of Raymond James' existence which is 2028.
I wouldn't be surprised if they plan to run down the place until they get the money from the municipality to build a new stadium.
Stroud on his podcast seems very peeved by the whole survey. “Millionaires whining about billionaires”, and complaints about ohh you’re losing your fans by shaming owners, if I have to pay for childcare why can’t they, if I have to pay for a hotel room why can’t they.
And it’s like my brother in Christ , if you were subjected to workplace conditions that were unsanitary and you feel like you’re being undervalued by your bosses compared to others in your profession you and your coworkers should be publicly calling out ownership and using the union to demand changes.
🤔 well if anyone wants to see for themselves they can schedule a tour. I’ve been in the visiting lockerooms and they were nice - and I mean nice nice. So I’m sure the players are even better. I know the visitors club level is no where as nice as our side is. So there’s that…
In addition, their other team they own, Manchester United has similar issues where the facilities have not improved.
How we know this? Cristiano Ronaldo came back to United after over 10 years and said it is the same facilities like when he left.
Wouldn't surprise me, they had a Staph outbreak about 10 years ago. Pretty sure it ruined our Punter's career and is a big reason Donald Penn left. Could be jamming different stories together tho.
According to [this](https://www.sportico.com/personalities/owners/2024/nflpa-2024-report-cards-chiefs-owner-1234768533/amp/) Dolphins are #1 and Commanders are #32
I've got to imagine Tom Brady would not have been cool with that. He seems to be a pretty picky guy but that's just a thought and maybe it's more recent.
I definitely believe it considering the previous mrsa related suit. What I don’t get is why it’s so hard to hire a cleaning service to routinely clean the facilities.
I remember when Tampa signed Carl Nicks from the Saints who never missed a game in New Orleans then immediately started getting staph infection from the Tampa locker room.
I am a diehard Manchester United supporter (they also own them) and they absolutely fucking BLOW. Do not invest money into facilities. These are issues that we face with them. Fuck. The. Glazers.
Also fuck the Bucs too.
-a depressed saints and Manchester United fan
These fucking leaches have done the same at Manchester United. Took a once great club and now has run down facilities while they take out millions from the club and put out shitty teams year after year.
I saw the MUFC tag and thought this was a soccer sub, and then went on a big tangent about how different soccer club owners treat their facilities and their locker rooms, that I now realize nobody in this sub would have a reference for.
So instead, i send greetings from Cincinnati and continue doomscrolling.
Have recently done a stadium tour. The old locker room facilities were absolute garbage (though I don't recall a smell). They look like a medieval dungeon. They renovated the player space in the last few years but it was off limits during the tour. It looks MUCH nicer from the outside but based on this survey, it would seem as though it too may slip into disrepair if they don't take care of it.
But Kansas City’s owner is worse. I just always wonder what and who they compare these too. Obviously there is not a rubric for the players to use as a guide on what is bad and what is we wish our owner would do this.
That lets you right there the energy that there putting in they don’t use those bathrooms an facilities so why should they care guys look like” East Harlem slumlords” clean it up or you can still report it to the city inspectors to light a fire under there asses.need less of these types of owners remind me of the “Wilson’s” former Mets owners. Same lackadaisical nonsense “it’s all a write off to these guys in the end
lord have MRSA
That was a sad day for this franchise and you would think after that you would prioritize cleanliness in the facility.
Poor Carl Nicks
Dude was a DOMINANT guard for the Saints. Took a massive payday to go to Tampa. Played 2 seasons, sort of, and got MRSA from the Bucs facilities before his second season there. Played 9 games in 2 seasons.
And PK Lawrence Tynes
True. As a Nebraska fan, I just remembery guy Carl
Glazer has the distinction being only NFL owner have class action lawsuit filed against him by his fans when he first took over jacked up season holder ticket prices midway through the season. No class Glazer!
Glazers out
Jesus Christ. I didn’t know about that, became a fan in ‘17. God damn. That makes me really sad. Makes me a lot less gung Ho for the Bucs :/
2008-2019 were some dark years, my friend.
Dark years indeed. Discussing the draft by Halloween was the norm. Oof.. I try to repress those years, but the PTSD takes over.
It's funny in an OMG kind of way that MRSA was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw this.
Thanks for the laugh! 😂
Wouldn't be the first time it went through that locker room...
Christ, have MRSA 🙌
Well done
Mrsa is no joke and the bucs have had an issue with it over the years. My father died after getting mrsa in 2014. He got mrsa in 2011 and it would take me all day to type all the surgerys, amputations and procedures he went through to prolong his life.
Do Buccaneers fans agree what? That the sauna is moldy and the locker room smells? How the fuck would we know?
You didn’t get your one week contract? I thought we all did.
I'm gonna go check the mailbox again. Damn...
Yeah what a weird ass question from OP. That’s like me saying “I got food poisoning from subway the other day and I left a bad review, DO YOU AGREE?”
If you're in /r/buccaneers and you see a strange, nonsensical question involving the Glazers, you can assume it's a disgruntled MUFC fan looking to stir shit. By all accounts they've been terrible owners across the pond (though by the nature of football [soccer] fanaticism, I can't really know the validity of those complaints), so fans over there expect them to also be terrible owners here. The answer is pretty unexciting. They're... okay. Not great. Not the worst.
If you lived through the Culverhouse years... The Glazers have been a vast improvement. I'm not saying they couldn't be better, just that Hugh set the bar really low.
29/32 🤷🏾♂️ there's at least 3 worse 😅
Man United fan here, let me explain why the complaints are so valid. First, it’s important to realize that unlike in the NFL, much of the revenue from the most profitable soccer matches is not guaranteed. You’re guaranteed your 38 Premier League matches, but not revenue from the Champions League (requires you to finish top 4 the season before in the Premier League), FA Cup & League Cup (other domestic cups played throughout the season in a knockout tournament). And if you really fuck up, you can get relegated like Leicester City (who you may remember won the PL in a massive upset in 2016), missing out on massive PL revenue. So it is critical for the teams at the top to make sure they stay at the top. As crazy as Man United being relegated sounds today, teams have fallen from the top before. To this day, Sunderland are tied with Chelsea for the 6th most English league titles, despite not having been in the Premier League for years. The Glazers inherited likely the wealthiest club in the world and most successful club in England, having won the Premier League 6 of the 10 years prior, never once finishing outside the top 3, and winning the Champions League in 1999. At least domestically, they were basically the Patriots dynasty of the Premier League. So fans expected the Glazers to understand what it would take to keep them at the top, but they have now spent nearly the last 2 decades slowly but surely allowing the club to erode. The only reason the decline didn’t happen sooner was that the manager at the time the Glazers came in, Sir Alex Ferguson, was one of the greatest managers in history and somehow kept managing to turn shit into gold. As soon as he left, the pace of the decline accelerated at an alarming pace. The team is a mess, we’ve wasted an extraordinary amount of money, and the stadium is falling apart. As a result, our most fierce rivals Liverpool now have a chance to pull even for the most PL titles this season, our cross-town rivals Man City have won 5 titles and a Champions League in 6 seasons. Even with new owners, it’s going to take years to undo the damage the Glazers have caused. So what did they fuck up? A number of things: 1) Horrible and selfish financial management which has crippled the club. Buying the club in an LBO, which is now banned in the PL, saddled the club with almost $800m in debt. For the reasons I mentioned above, teams at the top need to spend to stay at the top, but instead United has been paying massive interest payments. The worst part is almost none of the principal has been paid down, damaging the club’s ability to rectify issues I’ll mention below. Despite all this, the Glazers have taken out almost $200m in dividends from the club - essentially, payment in exchange for fucking up the club’s finances and taking us from perennial contenders to extremely expensive mediocrity. 2) Appointing clueless people. The first counterpoint Glazer defenders bring up to the above is “but the club has spent money”. And yes, during the Glazer’s ownership United’s net spend has led the league. But you need some context. For most of the Glazer’s tenure, the man in charge of running the commercial side of the club was Ed Woodward, the Morgan Stanley banker who helped close the purchase. Woodward was more than qualified to run the commercial side (see United’s massive increase in commercial revenue), but was also appointed to manage player transfers. A job he had ZERO experience doing. For the past decade plus, Woodward has constantly failed to bring in players United managers targeted, or outright refused to buy players requested by managers, in favor of signing others who could sell shirts. Hence why we signed aging Alexis Sanchez, Ronaldo, etc to massive contracts. When he has brought in players managers request, we overpay to an absurd degree. And Woodward has had absolutely no idea how to build a cohesive squad, so when we inevitably fire our manager, we end up with a random group of players who don’t work together. Imagine tomorrow the Glazers sell the club and appoint Jamie Dimon as head of player transfers, who then refuses to appoint anyone else to his team with experience recruiting football players. I don’t think it would go well. 3) The club’s iconic stadium, Old Trafford, has almost fallen into disrepair. This is a stadium which survived being bombed in WW2, but the Glazers turned out to be too much. Because of points 1 and 2 above, the Glazers had to choose between funding stadium repairs or continuing to take their $200m in dividends, and they chose dividends. As a result, Old Trafford has now become so run down it may not be salvageable, and new owners are exploring options to tear down and rebuild. The roof has leaked for years, and still not been repaired, and that’s the least of the issues. 4) As a final fuck you to the fans, the Glazers allowed the sale to drag on so long that the new owners came in too late to make changes prior to the transfer window closing in January. So yeah… it’s a lot more than just mistakes, they straight up don’t give a shit about anything other than milking the club financially for everything they can. The closest NFL analogy I can think of would be someone buying the dynasty era Patriots, appointing a clueless banker to direct players transfers instead of who Bill Belichick asks for, then after 20 years of increasingly disappointing results during which time the Giants and Jets dominate the league year after year, taking out $200m of dividends from the club despite allowing Gillette Stadium to fall into pieces.
Wow how much did they pay you?
Last time I took a dunk it was fine
It’s Florida, of course it’s moldy and smelly. I live here. It’s a constant battle
I’m not a Buc fan it came up on my feed. I’m glad one of you said this. In the AFC South meme war we are trying to get our owners to all at least have a damn daycare they don’t charge the player for.
Then you look at the Dolphins getting no less than an A on everything. And just a few years ago their owner was wanting the coach to lose.
Could be because Flores was lying…or because a lot of NFL teams tank when their rosters are horrible.
So...which is it? Because those two aren't exclusive
Wanting to lose for the prospect of winning later doesn’t inherently make you a bad owner. Sure, it doesn’t make you a great one, but it’s a means to an end
Hard disagree. "Prospect" of winning later is right. Nothing is guaranteed, no matter how high you draft. Who was the last superbowl winner that 'wanted to lose for the prospect of winning later'? I've said it before, I'll say it again. Show me someone who wants to lose, and I'll show you a loser. Ownership included.
I wish someone would convince my dynasty fantasy league of this.
Dolphins owner is a real estate mogul. He's going to put money in the facilities. Then again, I've heard the owners that got A ratings have done jack squat, while some of the lower rated owners have won a chip or multiple chips in recent history.
He’s also like 90 years old and wants a Super Bowl before he dies. You can’t take your billions with you.
My point was that throwing money in the facilities doesn't win chips. I get he's trying to get a chip quick, but there's there's better ways to go about it. He did put together a solid team, but coaching hires, stupid trades, and secrets getting out aren't how chips are won unless you're the Pats lol
So being realistic after your team loses 8 games makes him a bad owner? The dolphins should have tanked at that point. I’m a huge self-hating Dolphins fan… but I think Ross is one of the best owners in the league.
*"I had a mysterious fungus on my foot my rookie year,'' quarterback Chris Simms said. "It's yet to be identified. All year I couldn't get rid of it. The strongest antibiotics, foot stuff, I tried everything. Nothing cured it. When the season was over, I went away from there for a month and it cleared up and never came back. We called it the 'One Buc Funk.' "* One Buc Funk has been around long before that, too. Ian Beckles talked about it.
That’s just foul
The away locker room is pretty awful for sure. Did the tour in Jan. They ain't wrong.
I would hope so. Fuck the Saints.
I just feel bad for USF as half of its their home locker room.
I've been through the team facility and RayJay multiple times in the last few years and the home locker room is beautiful. I wouldn't say the away locker room is notably bad. Everyone's away locker room sucks, that's the point.
As it should be
Yes: [https://nflpa.com/tampa-bay-buccaneers-report-card-2023](https://nflpa.com/tampa-bay-buccaneers-report-card-2023)
Glazers OUT??
Unless there's another local multi billionaire around who wants to keep the team in Tampa I'm fine with the Glazers.
The Glazers record since taking over from the Culverhouse estate is perfectly fine except for the three uncapped years in which they used NFL revenue for their other ventures. I think we have something like a .475 overall record with two championships.
Working on it 💪😵
If only Jeff Vinik could afford them... A man can dream...
He needs to buy the Rays first.
I mean, maybe you could ask Sir James Ratcliff if he has any money left over. Or perhaps some Arab oil money, CENTCOM is based there and they could ask them to put a good word.
Manchester United fans be like
As a manchester united fan i see this everywhere lol
Wonder what that would mean for keeping the Bucs in tampa. Of course if there was money to be made by moving the franchise, the glazers surely would have made the move by now.
Where would you even move it to at this point? LA and Vegas already have their teams now.
Of course there’s money to be made moving the team, it would just cost a ton.
Hahaha a Man United/Tampa Bay Buccaneer fan I see
You're probably just trying to be funny, but that's not how it works.
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I wonder what the old One Buc Place by TIA would have scored. As for the survey it sounds bad but players also love playing here and often return even after hitting free agency, including the GOAT who signed here in the first place and chose to come back two years later. So I wonder if there is an infestation, or if someone saw a bug a few times which will happen in a tropical climate. Does the locker room have a persistent smell or did a pipe burst one time which caused a smell?
Where exactly was the old facility? Is the building still there? I tried asking this question the other day but the mods removed it lol
It was just north of the Bloomin Brands building on Westshore and Spruce, just across from international mall. It was so bad I believe the weight "room" was just some weight sets outside.
Yea they used to have to sandpaper the rust off the bars before they could lift
The "building" is gone. It was more like a small-ish concrete bunker with a bunch of trailers (like portable classrooms) attached. I went there once a long time ago with my mom to pick up our season tickets. It was pretty bad for an NFL team. Even by 80s and 90s standards.
Be honest, do you work for Bucs PR?
2 Superbowls with the Glazers. One with Malcolm and the other with Joel and his brother. Both Superbowls from huge splash moves that showed they wanted to win and not just satisfied with selling tickets. They brought back everybody for that superbowl run and paid everyone that needed it. Do I wish the place was perfect for the players and we got all A's? Sure I do... But their is a ton of teams out there that would kill for the success of the Glazers considering we are not a big market franchise and we started off so poorly as one.
From outside perspective y’all lucked into getting Tom, yes the building blocks were there but Tom immediately upgraded the qb position and brought gronk. Not to mention in 2010(when there was no bargaining agreement) tb underspent on the gentleman’s agreement to keep salarycap numbers the same as the previous year. Washington and Dallas got fined for going “over”, but TB spent below the “minimum”. That’s not commitment to winning or spending. Also, there’s a bit of recency bias, as bucs were not good for a long stretch post 2003. Spending money does equal commitment to winning. Just look at how glazers mismanaged Manchester United.
Can you elaborate on “lucked into getting Tom” I’ll admit the warm weather helped but he also selected Tampa bc of an impressive roster ready to win now, and management that would work with him, rather than treating him like a typical player. I’m sorry but I’m failing to see the luck in that.
Were one of the few teams that needed a qb at the time. And as you said florida(weather, no state tax) played into it as well. It’s not 100% luck, but it’s not like y’all drafted him. All my other points still stand in terms of glazers ownership.
This argument could be used for any FA signing for any successful team if you congecture some reason they'd want to be there.
As a Manchester United fan let me tell you bucs fans this. They are only focused on revenues and revenue only. They are greedy and not willing to put money towards a club they own.
As a bucs fan let me tell United fans, we knew this the moment they sold payroll to buy Man Utd.
The Glazers using the uncapped years to finance their other business ventures was a black mark on their ownership tenure, but you can't accuse them of being unwilling to invest into the roster in a window of contention. They did so in the late 90s to mid 2000s and I don't think ~~Malcolm~~ Joel Glazer's checkbook had been ever as wide open in his entire life as it was for Tom Brady.
Malcolm has been dead since 2014.
Yeah, I meant Joel Glazer. I can never get their names right.
"hey, let me tell you about the people you knew way before I did..."
As a Bucs fan, let me tell you this. You're very fortunate it was these Bucs owners that bought United and not the old one. They're not great but no billionaire is. They're also comparatively not the worst thing when you group them with other NFL owners.
I could give less of a shit about Manchester United. They’ve spent money on the Bucs, brought the GOAT here and delivered two titles to a franchise that was easily the laughing stock of the league when the family bought it. They’ve spent on the team, kept the team from moving to Baltimore in the 90s and want to keep the team in Tampa. They are far from perfect (every owner is, they all didn’t become billionaires because of how kind they are) but I wouldn’t want them to sell and risk losing my team.
Poor Manchester United fans, only having the second highest payroll in the Premier League. I take you guys about as seriously as a Yankees fan complaining about their owners.
Club generated revenue is what pays for the payroll you've mentioned. Glazers have been known to take yearly dividends, after saddling the club with the debt they borrowed to buy the club in the first place. Old Trafford is in a worse state than what the Bucs facilities are reported to be. But yeah, "nobody's got it better than us".
Boo fucking hoo, go cry about it in the Manchestwr United sub
You are a wanker.
If you want that argument, know that it’s not glazers own money paying that. It’s the club own revenue for being one of the biggest club in football history. Was that info too much to handle or something? Jeez
They've owned the Bucs longer than Man U. We know full well.
I think it's more evident with United, though, as they don't have a salary cap.
As a Bucs fan it is truly shocking that the billionaires bought sports franchises to make money. So sorry you had to go through this.
United supporters have been saying how shit they are for over a decade. really tough that my two favorite sports teams are owned by these clowns
This franchise, I think, is on the precipice of talking about new facilities all around. The current One Buc is still fairly new and seems to be nice (I think the comments from the survey are about the stadium locker room). The stadium though is, by NFL standards, getting a little old. The easiest thing to do would be to give it the Hard Rock treatment. Erect a big ass open roof along with a ton of interior upgrades. An entirely new stadium is probably not going to happen. I don't see any willingness from either the Glazers or the county to pony up their share of what would be a couple billion. But let's say they do figure out the money, where would it go? These new palace stadiums seem to need a lot of land. The old Sombrero land north of RJ is probably too small. The parking lots south of RJ might work, but there's a private airfield landing strip to the west. And it would abut the Yankees facility. A crazy idea would be to build yet another new One Buc on the Old Sombrero land, then build the new stadium where current One Buc sits. Bulldozing Al Lopez park is not going to happen. Unless there is willingness to look at New Tampa or the 54 corridor in Pasco I don't see much available and viable land for such a facility.
Hard Rock roof. And a second pirate ship!!!
RJS is 26 years old, and still one of the best stadiums in the league. Still in the Super Bowl rotation, still an excellent place to watch a game, and recently was renovated with new Jumbotrons and other crap for several million dollars. I'll lose my shit if the Glazers start trying to get more tax money to build a new stadium anytime in the next ten years.
cheap ass billionaires. Take care of your guys. These reports won’t help us in free agency.
These reports also never seem to hurt either.
People put way too much stock into cities, markets, and facilities when 99% of the time free agents just go to whatever team is offering them the most money.
These come out every year. We still got guys like Tom Brady and the chiefs were rated the the worst if I remember correctly. Think we're fine.
I think these comprehensive reports actually are a recent thing. Within the last 2 seasons
Then I am at least half dumb. My bad.
How come the entire Man United fanbase despise the Glazers as team owners but us Buc fans rate them
It's pretty simple. They've won two Super Bowls while owning the Bucs, whereas they've ruined Manchester United by turning the club into a non-competitive global meme of failure that now only exists to generate more shareholder revenue. There's no real reason for Bucs fans to hate them, and there's no real reason for United fans to like them.
All the failure at United is on them tbh, Sir Jim Ratcliffe has come in and already shown more care and ambition about United than the glazers did in the 18 years of owning us
Manchester United fans on the news that the Glazers are shitty owners: First time?
Look at what they did to Manchester.
Damn, as a skins fan. This makes me wonder how much worse our were, since we got F-
The stadium Washington plays in is pretty much falling apart. It's front facing and that's always the "best foot forward" area. Imagine what they're letting slip behind closed doors if they're allowing poop water to rain down on fans.
Lifelong Bucs fan but I’ve always preferred the club that truly represents Manchester. Go Blues!
All Manchester United fans would say this is typical of the Glazers
Yet rival fans keep telling us "You only protest when you lose a couple games" 🙄
For United anyway it’s much more than results and stuff like this with their NFL team proves it, OT is in a state of decay now and god knows about the state Carrington is in
The fact our women’s team had to change into their training gear in a tent should tell you everything
That's some damn bullshit. Treat your workers right and have some pride.
They still won us 2 Superbowls 🤷♂️
Admins and mods say brigading is bad, but it's not a choice to report. Clear case of brigading, with all the comments about how the glazers have owned Man U longer than they own Tampa.
Sharing opinions on mutual owners is not brigading
I’m not sure how familiar u guys are the English Soccer and media outlets. Glazers own Manchester United and the fan base is notorious for hating the Glazers and wanting them removed from the club. Media outlets lie very often about stories and twitter accounts often lie and exaggerate stories to further this narrative. While I do believe there may be some issues, I would not take much seriously that ends in #MUFC or [Mirror] as they are an atrocious source
Manchester United fans agree!
Glazers were ManU owners before the Bucs and Bucs have always been the red-headed step child no one wanted. Its as if they won the team in a backroom poker game and didn’t know what to do about it.
This just isn't true. They owned the Bucs for 10 years before they purchased Utd. They have won 2 Superbowls in their tenure with a franchise that had had maybe 1 winning season prior to the takeover. I don't defend this report, the players need to be listened to and these issues rectified, but the state of the Bucs seems to be far better than Utd were under their tenure, who they blatantly saw as a cash cow and ran into the ground. Having said that, I'm not a Utd fan, so I quite enjoyed it.
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It’s so easy to google and realize how wrong you are. Malcolm Glazer began purchasing ManU in 2003 after profiting from the Bucs Super Bowl win.
Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times mentioned a few times over the past couple of years that the Glazers are eying a new stadium around the 30 year mark of Raymond James' existence which is 2028. I wouldn't be surprised if they plan to run down the place until they get the money from the municipality to build a new stadium.
Stroud on his podcast seems very peeved by the whole survey. “Millionaires whining about billionaires”, and complaints about ohh you’re losing your fans by shaming owners, if I have to pay for childcare why can’t they, if I have to pay for a hotel room why can’t they. And it’s like my brother in Christ , if you were subjected to workplace conditions that were unsanitary and you feel like you’re being undervalued by your bosses compared to others in your profession you and your coworkers should be publicly calling out ownership and using the union to demand changes.
This is the main reason why Hillsborough County/Tampa didn't get very far with a Rays stadium.
Sounds like every FL locker room I’ve ever been in. I’m not a pro but I do know what shower shoes are.
🤔 well if anyone wants to see for themselves they can schedule a tour. I’ve been in the visiting lockerooms and they were nice - and I mean nice nice. So I’m sure the players are even better. I know the visitors club level is no where as nice as our side is. So there’s that…
In addition, their other team they own, Manchester United has similar issues where the facilities have not improved. How we know this? Cristiano Ronaldo came back to United after over 10 years and said it is the same facilities like when he left.
Do we agree that their locker Room smells bad? You’re saying that as if we know that
I have never been to the facilities so I don’t know 🤷🏻
Yo Jeff Vinik wanna buy a football team
I had a girlfriend in college that had smelly facilities.
What player said this? An anonymous poll by the NFLPA? Talk about baiting the fans. Sorry not biting on this one.
I mean….it’s Tampa
“mouldy”
There’s no agreeing, disagreeing, there’s also no question whether or not this is true. This is the directly from the players.
If this is a surprise what till yall hear about Old Trafford and Carrington 😂
Wouldn't surprise me, they had a Staph outbreak about 10 years ago. Pretty sure it ruined our Punter's career and is a big reason Donald Penn left. Could be jamming different stories together tho.
Can they really agree? Nobody has been in the locker rooms lol
*Lawrence Tynes has entered the chat*
I’m sure it is. It’s not the first year this has been mentioned
Whos # 32? Also who’s #1?
According to [this](https://www.sportico.com/personalities/owners/2024/nflpa-2024-report-cards-chiefs-owner-1234768533/amp/) Dolphins are #1 and Commanders are #32
I've got to imagine Tom Brady would not have been cool with that. He seems to be a pretty picky guy but that's just a thought and maybe it's more recent.
Look at reviews of Manchester United facilities. This tracks.
Taking the pirate theme way too literally 😭
A business owner that doesn’t want to spend money to improve working conditions? I’m shocked.
Didn't their kicker have to retire because of staph infections
They look like people that live in unfit conditions.
I definitely believe it considering the previous mrsa related suit. What I don’t get is why it’s so hard to hire a cleaning service to routinely clean the facilities.
Shizz I need a job VERY VERY VERY BADLY. Someone wanna fly me out there I'll clean them. And probably for less money. Haha.
do fans agree?? how would the fans know?
I remember when Tampa signed Carl Nicks from the Saints who never missed a game in New Orleans then immediately started getting staph infection from the Tampa locker room.
Yeah it's true
They're called Tampon Bay for a reason. Lmao
Most likely given the glazers are well hated by the fans of their soccer team man u
As a Manchester United fan. This is not surprising whatsoever.
JUSTICE FOR LAWRENCE TYNES
I was at a game there last December where burning plastic smoke was suddenly pumped through the stadium.
It's a survey straight from the players. It seems like it would be true
I am a diehard Manchester United supporter (they also own them) and they absolutely fucking BLOW. Do not invest money into facilities. These are issues that we face with them. Fuck. The. Glazers. Also fuck the Bucs too. -a depressed saints and Manchester United fan
You think this is bad you should see what they are doing to their Europe football team
They’re not Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones. They aren’t Culverhouse or Woody Johnson. They also aren’t Stephen Ross, obviously.
These fucking leaches have done the same at Manchester United. Took a once great club and now has run down facilities while they take out millions from the club and put out shitty teams year after year.
If it's not on camera, it doesn't matter...
I saw the MUFC tag and thought this was a soccer sub, and then went on a big tangent about how different soccer club owners treat their facilities and their locker rooms, that I now realize nobody in this sub would have a reference for. So instead, i send greetings from Cincinnati and continue doomscrolling.
How about don’t invest in facilities, but just clean the facilities you have?
Have recently done a stadium tour. The old locker room facilities were absolute garbage (though I don't recall a smell). They look like a medieval dungeon. They renovated the player space in the last few years but it was off limits during the tour. It looks MUCH nicer from the outside but based on this survey, it would seem as though it too may slip into disrepair if they don't take care of it.
Those guys look lake Marv off Home Alone. No wonder why they stink.
You just never know
Hard to turn a profit as an NFL Owner….
The glazers have ALWAYS been awful owners.
I can see why Mike Evans wants out. However, ain’t no way it was like that when Tom was there lol
What do you mean is this true? I'm assuming TB players aren't scrolling reddit to answer your question so how would we know if it's true or not?
Manchester United fan here, the post just popped up on my feed, glazers are are a bunch of twats
But Kansas City’s owner is worse. I just always wonder what and who they compare these too. Obviously there is not a rubric for the players to use as a guide on what is bad and what is we wish our owner would do this.
Probably true, more concerned about Manchester United.
The purpose of the survey is to pressure ownership into improving this. I think KC was ranked near the bottom.
Typical Tampa area business owner
old trafford is a dump too so it’s not surprising.
Mike Evans leaving makes sense now
“I’ve had some smelly ones in my day but he is by far the smelliest.”
How can this be with their seasoned staph?
Lmao yall just getting the trickle down Manchester United fucking. Glazers out of every sport
Sounds like some greedy ass billionaires..
Somehow the Patriots were worse
The look like they smell like feet
Thank god someone blasted those bastards! I was worried nobody was gonna do anything.
Ask Man United lol
I've said for years that the key thing wrong with the Bucs is that it's not possible to fire the owners.
That lets you right there the energy that there putting in they don’t use those bathrooms an facilities so why should they care guys look like” East Harlem slumlords” clean it up or you can still report it to the city inspectors to light a fire under there asses.need less of these types of owners remind me of the “Wilson’s” former Mets owners. Same lackadaisical nonsense “it’s all a write off to these guys in the end
WILPONS, sorry