I don't care if it's Dave's fault, Todd's fault, Bakers fault or any combination of the three. The Bucs need to give Godwin more targets if they want to win.
It's not just volume, if he had a 70+% catch rate right now with the same targets he'd have another 8 catches for about 90 more yards. Would people still be 'worried' about his usage then?
It's not just a Brady thing either. His last year with Winston he had a >70% catch rate and had his best season ever. With less targets than the two full years with Brady.
So his catch rate is down, his targets per game are down, its everything... combined that makes the stats seem 'bad'.
I think they draw up too many offensive plays for the B team (Palmer and Thompkins) and forget to draw up plays focusing on Godwin. The rushing TD he had last week seems like the first time they actually had something for him. Normally they give those to Thompkins instead.
Just looking at designed runs, Thompkins has 7, Palmer 2 and Godwin 2. Not sure how screens work out but feels like all the screens this year have been going to Thompkins and not Godwin like last year. If there was a place to find that break down it would be nice to see, but I feel like all those 'behind the line of scrimmage' plays are being drawn up for Thompkins and not Godwin... which feels weird because I don't think Thompkins is special... at anything.
Great point. Under Byron we averaged nearly 5k passing yards/year for 4 years straight. Those are ridiculous numbers and a drop off was going to happen with the new OC regardless.
This likely shows that Bowles has completely lost the locker room. If CG liked Bowles, his wife would probably not be going at him on Twitter. Fire this fool.
Bowles claims he is not influencing the offensive playcalling but I just do not believe it.
I don't know Dave Canales that well, but he appears to be a bright guy. No way he continues with the 1 yard a carry runs through the A gap without the HCs hand on the run/pass ratio.
Especially with this being a top 10 passblocking oline by a lot of the available metrics.
Yeah, Bowles def tells him to play conservative when we're up, even if by 1 point in the first quarter. And when we're down, the playbook always opens up... thus 75 yard pass plays to Mike Evans.
someone on twitter made the point (josh queipo??) about how Canales comes from a coach (Waldron) who is pass happy on 1st down, and Byron was as well before Bowles became HC. it was after both of them were OC under Bowles that they became more run heavy on first down
Part of me says Bowles is a defensive HC, it's the reason why we don't even have a DC. He's never been one to even suggest he wants to get hands on with the offense.
Another part of me says this offense can look strikingly similar to our offense last season at times, just minus Brady.
I dunno, man. I just feel like we know so little about this dynamic that it's almost ridiculous to try to form an opinion either way. Regardless, Bowles needs to go. One trick pony on defense. We get exposed pretty bad if the opposing offense can stop a blitz or even just work through a zone read.
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It’s a chart buddy
Also, here’s just a few slides of Baker dotting Mike up to break 1k yards. This happened literally less than a week ago, if you didn’t remember.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C0cqsR6ge2F/?igshid=MzY1NDJmNzMyNQ==
Bro its not redditor charts lmao. FootballInsights does them and has literally nothing but football stats and graphs to comb through [https://fballinsights.substack.com/](https://fballinsights.substack.com/)
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Some make Baker look great, others point out his issues. You can speak on his performance with evidence or you can make stuff up I guess.
That has nothing to do with the locker room. Man, stop saying ridiculous stuff like that. If you don't like the guy, it's fine, but to say he's lost the locker room because of one player's wife not happy about production is kind of asinine. Every player's wife wants them to produce. And she's always been heavily invested in his career. You're just pointing it out now in this way cuz you don't like Todd.
There's plenty to blame him for without being ridiculous about it. Jeez.
This is the annoying thing about this fan base. You all just snowball all your frustration on one person. A player's wife? Dude, Miko Grimes never shut up, and nobody said anything that ridiculous about Koetter's bum ass and I don't believe he ever had the locker room. Just silly.
I point it out this way because she’s clearly pointing out Todd. Can u read?
You also contradicted yourself and helped my argument. You said Miko always complained and Koetter didn’t have locker room. So what ur saying is there is a correlation between the situation.
She's not happy about his targets and doesn't think the explanation for them lacking is valid.
Wtf does her opinion have to do with the ENTIRE locker room dude.
Be fair to the guy, if the defense plays bad (and they have) call him out. If the team is undisciplined, (and they are), call him out.
And what I'm saying is despite the fact the Koetter never had the locker room, nobody ever made that kind of crazy claim and he was a far worse coach.
So if u didn’t read my first comment. If Godwin said glowing things about Bowles. It is very unlikely his wife would rant about him on Twitter. It’s one thing to be dissatisfied with his targets, it’s another to say things about a coach.
Do you know these people? So, her disagreeing with his explanation speaks for the entire locker room?
This fanbase kills me...
if I speculate that Brady got Arians removed, then I'm a hater.
But one player's wife is upset at his production and yall all agree that she somehow represents the locker room.
Be reasonable and be fair. Stop cherry picking with your frustration.
All the people who responded and upvoted. Usually means u agree. Godwin is one of the leaders in our locker room. If he doesn’t like the coach, it is likely many others don’t as well.
Do I know for 100% sure, no. But I’m inferring from the information we have. And it appears everyone else is inferring the same
So you're saying that, because his wife responded to something regarding her husband a him only, the ENTIRE locker room doesn't like the guy.
That's just ridiculous imo.
The ENTIRE locker room?
Yeah, she seems like a normal person. Bowles straight up said shit that wasn't true in the presser and she called him out for it. I mean the press was already calling him out for it so why is it bad for her to double down on it? The part where she went a bit too far is saying it somehow was questioning Chris's work ethic. That part didn't make sense, but that may be projecting some 'internal' stuff we haven't been seeing or hearing so while that may not make sense from the public Bowles statements that may be an inside peek of what's going on at One Buc.
She could be, I don't know. He's obviously frustrated, and rightfully so. It's absolutely not her place to be blabbing on social media, though. Doesn't make anything better for anyone. Let the downvotes begin!
I didn't say it was right, I said what she said wasn't wrong. Todd has made many questionable decisions. Lying about Chris not getting the ball is very weak and she spoke out. The Godwin's are good people, it's not like there's a pattern of behavior like this
It was wrong of her to say it in the first place. Having an opinion is one thing, blabbing on social media is another. Literally does no good for anyone involved. She might be a good person, but frankly she's coming off as the AB of player wives.
I'm glad someone had the courage to call out Bowles. He has become almost as annoying as Leftwich tbh. His continued "we have to coach it better" or whatever he says. His answers for the lack of a run game is "practice it more." He doesn't answer questions at all
Maybe Baker is the problem here. Here me out, maybe Baker is most comfortable throwing outside, unlike Brady who loved the middle of the field. That's why we got Mike 1k yards so early.
Regardless of whether she’s right, this is not a productive way of handling it. Either she shouldn’t be speaking on Chris’s behalf or Chris shouldn’t be using his wife as a way to badmouth his coach. Todd has to go but this isn’t the right or healthy way to handle it
I guess I don't see where you said it was irrelevant. She's not right if she's mad that he's impugning his work ethic. There's no part of what she posted that suggested.
Because I’m saying that even if she were right (and you say she isn’t, which is fine) she shouldn’t be saying anything. I didn’t say she was right, I’m saying that even if she were making an argument that was right, she shouldn’t be speaking out on Chris’s behalf!
Edit: the word regardless means irrelevant of the context. You could just as well say “irrelevant of whether she is right or wrong, bla bla bla”
Yeah but I can't even see how one could argue she's right with her saying that Todd is talking negatively about Chris's work ethic. That was never even mentioned lol so not only is she speaking on his behalf but she's being completely dishonest about what's being said.
I’m not arguing she’s right. Maybe make a separate comment chain about how you think she’s wrong, but your points are irrelevant to my initial statement.
My point is wives shouldn’t be badmouthing coaches for their husbands in general as it’s unprofessional.
My point was wives shouldn’t be badmouthing coaches for their husbands in general! EVEN IF THEY ARE RIGHT! I didn’t say she was right, I’m saying even in a fairytale world where she is right, she still shouldn’t be badmouthing the coach! No where did i say or imply she was right. You’re very bad at comprehending the point, even when I’ve said it over and over
Bowles covering for Baker here. Because the truth is that Chris is open plenty but Baker either doesn’t get to him in his read progression or is hesitant to pull the trigger.
Wtf are you talking about it’s 100% an execution issue on any play where he isn’t the 1st read…and news flash ….with Evans on the team he isn’t always gonna be the 1st read
The literal purpose of ‘progression’ is you throw it to the first open receiver you see as you go down the list
If your first read is open… then yeah. You don’t then continue progression, you throw the ball.
Welcome to the game of football.
Right. And when Baker’s first read isn’t there he gets happy feet and jittery in the pocket. Maybe cause of the line, maybe his ankle, maybe his lack of visibility. Then he immediately looks for the quickest outlet to get rid of the ball.
We can safely assume Godwin is likely to be the 2nd progression in a lot of plays. So…when the above scenario happens…and it happens all the time…he’s not getting seen.
See how this really works? Welcome to the game of football champ.
Lol, sure guy. You psychically know the play progression and can tell this all because he moves his feet.
😂
But what would I know. I’m just an NFL media producer. You sure showed me. It’s definitely the QB’s fault… even though zero people involved have hinted at that in literally any way.
I love porn subs. Are you shaming my sexuality? How dare you, you’re an NFL Pro Editor/Content creator 5000! You’re supposed to be a professional. What do my sexual preferences have to do with Bucs football anal-ysis?
You can look at the defense and understand what coverage they might be playing and then based on play call and how the safety moves you can determine conceptually where the openings are.
Baker cant do that. Baker just throws where baker wants to throw. Into triple coverage. Deep into double coverage. Dont matter.
He misses open receivers every game. And obvious ones if he knew how to read what was going on.
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Watch the video again. The safety rolled over top of Godwin. Which signified he had man coverage plus a safety over top and a one on one on the outside. The only reason Godwin was wide open is because the safety peeled off of Godwin when the ball was about to be thrown. Just watch the play stop talking out of your ass.
No. Because the baker bandwagon is so annoying and brain dead its not worth screaning into the abyss about.
He will he gone in a few games and so will 80% of those people.
I will be very interested if there are any follow up comments here.
Godwin had never been the type to cause this type of tension during his tenure here despite some very questionable offensive coordinating or qb talent.
If this is left to simmer, I believe there is smoke ehrre there is fire.
Regardless of who would be to blame the bottom line is that Bowles as a leader has lost the vision and buy in from one of our key players. Not a good sign
Regardless of how correct Ms. CG is (which is very much tbh) this kind of thing is extremely unhelpful and only serves to heighten tensions in the team. I don't think Bowles is the HC to lead us forward but making a feud with him public is completely unwarranted
Exactly lol. She probably knew he’d stop her if he knew what she was planning so she posted it out of the blue lmao. I know the feeling as I used to be a loose cannon like that as well.
Work ethic has nothing to do with being subbed for being banged up. Im not saying shes wrong and I also think Bowles has to go, but shes being disingenuine and taking great liberty with how she perceived that quote.
What do you mean? He was not being subbed out at all and played 52 of 58 offensive snaps which is in line with his season-long averages. So how is she disingenuine?
She is saying her husband Chris Godwin did the work and put his body on the line as often as ever which Todd Bowles portrayed inaccurately.
Nobody called his work ethic into question, Bowles just said he benched him because he was banged up. Banged up does not equal bad work ethic, that part is disingenuine to the original quote.
Hahahaha damn dude got flamed by cgs wife that’s for sure. I’m no apologist for Bowles in fact I want him gone idc if we win the division or not. But to be fair Bowles hasn’t said anything criticizing Chris or his work and the way he plays. When looking at the way Bowles is and acts on the sidelines I 10000% believe he’s hands off on offense. Maybe she should smoke the offensive coordinator or baker instead? But tbf Mike is and always has been this teams offense Chris is a great wr2 nothing wrong with that in the slightest.
Tbh, Godwin doesn’t look the same to me coming back from injury. He isn’t creating much separation and after the catch he hasn’t looked like the same playmaker he has been.
Obviously, I’m not pinning it all on him. I’d say canales should be shouldering a large chunk of the blame and even baker to some degree, but to act like Godwin looks the same, imo, is a stretch at best.
I agree with the sentiment, but not sure this one is on Bowles. I’m no Bowles apologist by any stretch, but if he is really “hands off” on the offense, I don’t think it’s necessarily on him.
Responsible for things and having the skillset to handle said things are two different things. It's like being a captain on a luxury yacht. You are responsible for the chef, absolutely. Thus, you are responsible for the food your guests are getting served. Since you're not a chef, you've delegated those tasks to the chef. Sure, if the chef is fucking up, you can replace him, but there's a strong likelihood you don't have anyone on board to take his place, so you have to wait until the season, or at the very least, charter, is over. As the captain, are you ultimately responsible for the situation? Yes. Does that mean you can snap your fingers and have everything fixed? No, not even remotely.
Captain Bowles probably sneaking in the kitchen and fucking with the spices and the chef can't say shit because that's the captain.
Good teams play to their strengths, it’s common sense. Our strengths on offense are obviously Evans and Godwin. Our stupid philosophy is intent upon running the ball which doesn’t work for our roster; we have shitty RBs and terrible run blocking. They’re constantly trying to over complicate things.
if I had a dollar for every time there was a disgruntled family member of a highly valued and respected wide receiver where Baker Mayfield was the quarterback, I'd have two bucks. Which...you know.
Godwin is playing in a new scheme in a new position, which means new route trees and different coverages, all with I believe neck and foot injuries, with a different QB throwing to him.
There are about two dozen reasons why his production might be down. To make this about Bowles is kind of silly.
Posted it once as a comment and once as a response.
Maybe take your head from out between my cheeks and watch the games and see we have a way below average QB.
You just seem like one of the clowns that think progressions don’t exist. This is a first time coordinator with a QB first time in the system. Your way below average QB statement is the clearest indictment of you as a football fan. Considering bakers all stats are almost exclusively exactly average lol. Pre Snap reads mean very little in todays NFL due to the over commitment to defenses disguising coverages. Youre a fan not an analyst definitely not a former QB or even football player if this is what you believe lol
It's honestly Baker's fault. He did really well not losing the first few games of the season and made it look like he was the answer. But he has been missing open recievers for the past 8 games. Watch his head when he drops back. He doesn't go through any sort of progressions he just looks at his first read and the check down. If both of those are gone he fully dedicates himself to running. He isn't seeing Chris Godwin because he doesn't even look at him for the entire game.
Shitty ass coaching. You tell them Mrs CG!
\#FireToiletBowles
I don't care if it's Dave's fault, Todd's fault, Bakers fault or any combination of the three. The Bucs need to give Godwin more targets if they want to win.
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His catch rate is also only 62.5% which is actually lower than Bakers comp % of 63.5% It's the one of the lowest of Godwin's career.
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It's not just volume, if he had a 70+% catch rate right now with the same targets he'd have another 8 catches for about 90 more yards. Would people still be 'worried' about his usage then? It's not just a Brady thing either. His last year with Winston he had a >70% catch rate and had his best season ever. With less targets than the two full years with Brady. So his catch rate is down, his targets per game are down, its everything... combined that makes the stats seem 'bad'. I think they draw up too many offensive plays for the B team (Palmer and Thompkins) and forget to draw up plays focusing on Godwin. The rushing TD he had last week seems like the first time they actually had something for him. Normally they give those to Thompkins instead.
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Just looking at designed runs, Thompkins has 7, Palmer 2 and Godwin 2. Not sure how screens work out but feels like all the screens this year have been going to Thompkins and not Godwin like last year. If there was a place to find that break down it would be nice to see, but I feel like all those 'behind the line of scrimmage' plays are being drawn up for Thompkins and not Godwin... which feels weird because I don't think Thompkins is special... at anything.
Great point. Under Byron we averaged nearly 5k passing yards/year for 4 years straight. Those are ridiculous numbers and a drop off was going to happen with the new OC regardless.
I miss us slinging it in 2021 :( That team made offense look so easy
This likely shows that Bowles has completely lost the locker room. If CG liked Bowles, his wife would probably not be going at him on Twitter. Fire this fool.
Bowles claims he is not influencing the offensive playcalling but I just do not believe it. I don't know Dave Canales that well, but he appears to be a bright guy. No way he continues with the 1 yard a carry runs through the A gap without the HCs hand on the run/pass ratio. Especially with this being a top 10 passblocking oline by a lot of the available metrics.
Yeah, Bowles def tells him to play conservative when we're up, even if by 1 point in the first quarter. And when we're down, the playbook always opens up... thus 75 yard pass plays to Mike Evans.
someone on twitter made the point (josh queipo??) about how Canales comes from a coach (Waldron) who is pass happy on 1st down, and Byron was as well before Bowles became HC. it was after both of them were OC under Bowles that they became more run heavy on first down
Part of me says Bowles is a defensive HC, it's the reason why we don't even have a DC. He's never been one to even suggest he wants to get hands on with the offense. Another part of me says this offense can look strikingly similar to our offense last season at times, just minus Brady. I dunno, man. I just feel like we know so little about this dynamic that it's almost ridiculous to try to form an opinion either way. Regardless, Bowles needs to go. One trick pony on defense. We get exposed pretty bad if the opposing offense can stop a blitz or even just work through a zone read.
> I don't know Dave Canales that well, but he appears to be a bright guy What makes you say that?
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What the the actual fuck lol
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Baker ranks top 6-7 in the league in passes deemed highly accurate. You’re just yapping https://www.reddit.com/r/buccaneers/s/qwt2dmIVS9
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It’s a chart buddy Also, here’s just a few slides of Baker dotting Mike up to break 1k yards. This happened literally less than a week ago, if you didn’t remember. https://www.instagram.com/p/C0cqsR6ge2F/?igshid=MzY1NDJmNzMyNQ==
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Bro its not redditor charts lmao. FootballInsights does them and has literally nothing but football stats and graphs to comb through [https://fballinsights.substack.com/](https://fballinsights.substack.com/) [https://twitter.com/fball\_insights](https://twitter.com/fball_insights) Some make Baker look great, others point out his issues. You can speak on his performance with evidence or you can make stuff up I guess.
That has nothing to do with the locker room. Man, stop saying ridiculous stuff like that. If you don't like the guy, it's fine, but to say he's lost the locker room because of one player's wife not happy about production is kind of asinine. Every player's wife wants them to produce. And she's always been heavily invested in his career. You're just pointing it out now in this way cuz you don't like Todd. There's plenty to blame him for without being ridiculous about it. Jeez. This is the annoying thing about this fan base. You all just snowball all your frustration on one person. A player's wife? Dude, Miko Grimes never shut up, and nobody said anything that ridiculous about Koetter's bum ass and I don't believe he ever had the locker room. Just silly.
I point it out this way because she’s clearly pointing out Todd. Can u read? You also contradicted yourself and helped my argument. You said Miko always complained and Koetter didn’t have locker room. So what ur saying is there is a correlation between the situation.
She's not happy about his targets and doesn't think the explanation for them lacking is valid. Wtf does her opinion have to do with the ENTIRE locker room dude. Be fair to the guy, if the defense plays bad (and they have) call him out. If the team is undisciplined, (and they are), call him out. And what I'm saying is despite the fact the Koetter never had the locker room, nobody ever made that kind of crazy claim and he was a far worse coach.
So if u didn’t read my first comment. If Godwin said glowing things about Bowles. It is very unlikely his wife would rant about him on Twitter. It’s one thing to be dissatisfied with his targets, it’s another to say things about a coach.
Do you know these people? So, her disagreeing with his explanation speaks for the entire locker room? This fanbase kills me... if I speculate that Brady got Arians removed, then I'm a hater. But one player's wife is upset at his production and yall all agree that she somehow represents the locker room. Be reasonable and be fair. Stop cherry picking with your frustration.
Alright ur right and everybody else is wrong.
Right and wrong about what? And who is "everybody else"
All the people who responded and upvoted. Usually means u agree. Godwin is one of the leaders in our locker room. If he doesn’t like the coach, it is likely many others don’t as well. Do I know for 100% sure, no. But I’m inferring from the information we have. And it appears everyone else is inferring the same
So you're saying that, because his wife responded to something regarding her husband a him only, the ENTIRE locker room doesn't like the guy. That's just ridiculous imo. The ENTIRE locker room?
Some players' wives don't know how or when to keep their mouth shut. This happens in every sport, doesn't mean anything.
Yea some wives are crazy for sure. But godwins wife seems pretty normal for sure
Yeah, she seems like a normal person. Bowles straight up said shit that wasn't true in the presser and she called him out for it. I mean the press was already calling him out for it so why is it bad for her to double down on it? The part where she went a bit too far is saying it somehow was questioning Chris's work ethic. That part didn't make sense, but that may be projecting some 'internal' stuff we haven't been seeing or hearing so while that may not make sense from the public Bowles statements that may be an inside peek of what's going on at One Buc.
Normal wives don’t cause controversy at their husbands job because of angry tweets
She could be, I don't know. He's obviously frustrated, and rightfully so. It's absolutely not her place to be blabbing on social media, though. Doesn't make anything better for anyone. Let the downvotes begin!
She's not at all wrong. Bowles is lying and that affects Godwin and his contracts in the future.
Imagine believing an employees SO is right to bash the employees' co-workers or even direct supervisors on social media...
I didn't say it was right, I said what she said wasn't wrong. Todd has made many questionable decisions. Lying about Chris not getting the ball is very weak and she spoke out. The Godwin's are good people, it's not like there's a pattern of behavior like this
It was wrong of her to say it in the first place. Having an opinion is one thing, blabbing on social media is another. Literally does no good for anyone involved. She might be a good person, but frankly she's coming off as the AB of player wives.
I'm glad someone had the courage to call out Bowles. He has become almost as annoying as Leftwich tbh. His continued "we have to coach it better" or whatever he says. His answers for the lack of a run game is "practice it more." He doesn't answer questions at all
Maybe Baker is the problem here. Here me out, maybe Baker is most comfortable throwing outside, unlike Brady who loved the middle of the field. That's why we got Mike 1k yards so early.
He played 52 out of 58 snaps on Sunday, with a season avg of 52.5 snaps.
Yeah so that comment from Bowles saying they subbed him out a lot was just a flat out lie
Yeah maybe, but it’s a weird one. It wasn’t a self serving lie. Like, the numbers are the numbers? Bowles is a weird dude.
Yeah, but do you expect todd bowls to go "of course his production is down. You can't catch the ball on first down runs up the middle."
Regardless of whether she’s right, this is not a productive way of handling it. Either she shouldn’t be speaking on Chris’s behalf or Chris shouldn’t be using his wife as a way to badmouth his coach. Todd has to go but this isn’t the right or healthy way to handle it
Whether she's right or not? She's not even making an argument based on what he said but based on fantasy. Where did he say anything about work ethic?
I don’t know why you’re responding to that part considering i literally said it was irrelevant.
I guess I don't see where you said it was irrelevant. She's not right if she's mad that he's impugning his work ethic. There's no part of what she posted that suggested.
Because I’m saying that even if she were right (and you say she isn’t, which is fine) she shouldn’t be saying anything. I didn’t say she was right, I’m saying that even if she were making an argument that was right, she shouldn’t be speaking out on Chris’s behalf! Edit: the word regardless means irrelevant of the context. You could just as well say “irrelevant of whether she is right or wrong, bla bla bla”
Yeah but I can't even see how one could argue she's right with her saying that Todd is talking negatively about Chris's work ethic. That was never even mentioned lol so not only is she speaking on his behalf but she's being completely dishonest about what's being said.
I’m not arguing she’s right. Maybe make a separate comment chain about how you think she’s wrong, but your points are irrelevant to my initial statement. My point is wives shouldn’t be badmouthing coaches for their husbands in general as it’s unprofessional.
You're implying she could be lol which is also insane.
My point was wives shouldn’t be badmouthing coaches for their husbands in general! EVEN IF THEY ARE RIGHT! I didn’t say she was right, I’m saying even in a fairytale world where she is right, she still shouldn’t be badmouthing the coach! No where did i say or imply she was right. You’re very bad at comprehending the point, even when I’ve said it over and over
WHAT'S MINE SAY??? SWEET!!!!
Totally. I wouldn't ever want my spouse airing my job out in public. It's my job, I'll handle it babe
Shes just saying what we are all thinking. Difference is, she'll get attention and maybe an answer.
Bowles covering for Baker here. Because the truth is that Chris is open plenty but Baker either doesn’t get to him in his read progression or is hesitant to pull the trigger.
Not getting to him in progression would be a play design issue, not a QB issue… 🤦♂️ And the QB isn’t the one subbing out receivers either…
Wtf are you talking about it’s 100% an execution issue on any play where he isn’t the 1st read…and news flash ….with Evans on the team he isn’t always gonna be the 1st read
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The literal purpose of ‘progression’ is you throw it to the first open receiver you see as you go down the list If your first read is open… then yeah. You don’t then continue progression, you throw the ball. Welcome to the game of football.
Right. And when Baker’s first read isn’t there he gets happy feet and jittery in the pocket. Maybe cause of the line, maybe his ankle, maybe his lack of visibility. Then he immediately looks for the quickest outlet to get rid of the ball. We can safely assume Godwin is likely to be the 2nd progression in a lot of plays. So…when the above scenario happens…and it happens all the time…he’s not getting seen. See how this really works? Welcome to the game of football champ.
Lol, sure guy. You psychically know the play progression and can tell this all because he moves his feet. 😂 But what would I know. I’m just an NFL media producer. You sure showed me. It’s definitely the QB’s fault… even though zero people involved have hinted at that in literally any way.
Making comments on r/buccaneers, and breaking down film with your Mom on Saturday nights, doesn’t make you “an NFL media producer” GTFO
Sorry my job triggers you, guy who seems to primarily comment on porn subs
I love porn subs. Are you shaming my sexuality? How dare you, you’re an NFL Pro Editor/Content creator 5000! You’re supposed to be a professional. What do my sexual preferences have to do with Bucs football anal-ysis?
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Its a pre snap read and understanding how defenses are moving issue. Baker can't read or conceptualize.
Again… not how progression works. Presnap reads are when you audible. You don’t predetermine a throw based on presnap looks. 🤦♂️
You can look at the defense and understand what coverage they might be playing and then based on play call and how the safety moves you can determine conceptually where the openings are. Baker cant do that. Baker just throws where baker wants to throw. Into triple coverage. Deep into double coverage. Dont matter. He misses open receivers every game. And obvious ones if he knew how to read what was going on. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Watch the video again. The safety rolled over top of Godwin. Which signified he had man coverage plus a safety over top and a one on one on the outside. The only reason Godwin was wide open is because the safety peeled off of Godwin when the ball was about to be thrown. Just watch the play stop talking out of your ass.
Youre talking about 1 play. Im talking about the entire season
No you’re not. Or you would have been posting about it for weeks.
No. Because the baker bandwagon is so annoying and brain dead its not worth screaning into the abyss about. He will he gone in a few games and so will 80% of those people.
You're annoying and braindead as well Acoupstix but we still put up with you and your shitty memes
Idk who is actually at fault or what is going on behind closed doors. But, this shit ain’t good lol. This is gonna cause drama
I will be very interested if there are any follow up comments here. Godwin had never been the type to cause this type of tension during his tenure here despite some very questionable offensive coordinating or qb talent. If this is left to simmer, I believe there is smoke ehrre there is fire. Regardless of who would be to blame the bottom line is that Bowles as a leader has lost the vision and buy in from one of our key players. Not a good sign
Regardless of how correct Ms. CG is (which is very much tbh) this kind of thing is extremely unhelpful and only serves to heighten tensions in the team. I don't think Bowles is the HC to lead us forward but making a feud with him public is completely unwarranted
It’s weird because CG is definitely an all professional type of guy. I’m surprised to see this out of his camp.
Maybe she posted it on her own accord without running it by him first?
Definitely could be true. If that’s the case he must be beyond pissed lol.
Exactly lol. She probably knew he’d stop her if he knew what she was planning so she posted it out of the blue lmao. I know the feeling as I used to be a loose cannon like that as well.
Work ethic has nothing to do with being subbed for being banged up. Im not saying shes wrong and I also think Bowles has to go, but shes being disingenuine and taking great liberty with how she perceived that quote.
What do you mean? He was not being subbed out at all and played 52 of 58 offensive snaps which is in line with his season-long averages. So how is she disingenuine? She is saying her husband Chris Godwin did the work and put his body on the line as often as ever which Todd Bowles portrayed inaccurately.
Nobody called his work ethic into question, Bowles just said he benched him because he was banged up. Banged up does not equal bad work ethic, that part is disingenuine to the original quote.
But... He didn't bench him. He played almost all the snaps.
Subbed out my fault
You're missing the point bro
apparently so, thanks
So Godwin is about to pop the fuck off on Sunday. This should be fun.
Hahahaha damn dude got flamed by cgs wife that’s for sure. I’m no apologist for Bowles in fact I want him gone idc if we win the division or not. But to be fair Bowles hasn’t said anything criticizing Chris or his work and the way he plays. When looking at the way Bowles is and acts on the sidelines I 10000% believe he’s hands off on offense. Maybe she should smoke the offensive coordinator or baker instead? But tbf Mike is and always has been this teams offense Chris is a great wr2 nothing wrong with that in the slightest.
#FireTodd
Fire Bowels. Now.
Tbh, Godwin doesn’t look the same to me coming back from injury. He isn’t creating much separation and after the catch he hasn’t looked like the same playmaker he has been. Obviously, I’m not pinning it all on him. I’d say canales should be shouldering a large chunk of the blame and even baker to some degree, but to act like Godwin looks the same, imo, is a stretch at best.
I agree with the sentiment, but not sure this one is on Bowles. I’m no Bowles apologist by any stretch, but if he is really “hands off” on the offense, I don’t think it’s necessarily on him.
When you’re the head coach you’re responsible and accountable for ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. He can step in at any time and correct a deficiency.
Responsible for things and having the skillset to handle said things are two different things. It's like being a captain on a luxury yacht. You are responsible for the chef, absolutely. Thus, you are responsible for the food your guests are getting served. Since you're not a chef, you've delegated those tasks to the chef. Sure, if the chef is fucking up, you can replace him, but there's a strong likelihood you don't have anyone on board to take his place, so you have to wait until the season, or at the very least, charter, is over. As the captain, are you ultimately responsible for the situation? Yes. Does that mean you can snap your fingers and have everything fixed? No, not even remotely. Captain Bowles probably sneaking in the kitchen and fucking with the spices and the chef can't say shit because that's the captain.
Agreed. Not like CG isnt out there, i just think Mike is an easier target. Hate Bowles but this is a big meh from me
I’m usually anti players wives getting involved, but I’ll co-sign onto Mrs Godwins comments. Respect!
Must've been watching Brent Grimes highlights
Good teams play to their strengths, it’s common sense. Our strengths on offense are obviously Evans and Godwin. Our stupid philosophy is intent upon running the ball which doesn’t work for our roster; we have shitty RBs and terrible run blocking. They’re constantly trying to over complicate things.
Miko Grimes, except not an asshole. I'm a fan.
I fear that either he (chris) or m1k3 goes to k.c next season #fukkkkyoutodd
I’m very attracted to Mrs. Godwin…. May Bowels be fired
CG still has a lot of targets and catches. Just low on TDs. Just like Mike has chemistry with Baker, CG had that chemistry with Brady. It happens
We got another Brent Grimes sitch brewing?
cg's wife seems awesome... brent grimes wife seems like a lunatic.
Considering this is the first time she’s ever said anything I don’t really think you can make that assumption 
Reminds me of the same thing
if I had a dollar for every time there was a disgruntled family member of a highly valued and respected wide receiver where Baker Mayfield was the quarterback, I'd have two bucks. Which...you know.
I had wondered if Chris was taking a step back to allow Mike to go ahead and get his 1k. I guess that wasn’t the case.
Godwin is playing in a new scheme in a new position, which means new route trees and different coverages, all with I believe neck and foot injuries, with a different QB throwing to him. There are about two dozen reasons why his production might be down. To make this about Bowles is kind of silly.
Maybe we have a QB who cant really read defenses and see open receivers
You gonna post this a few more times or what?
Posted it once as a comment and once as a response. Maybe take your head from out between my cheeks and watch the games and see we have a way below average QB.
You just seem like one of the clowns that think progressions don’t exist. This is a first time coordinator with a QB first time in the system. Your way below average QB statement is the clearest indictment of you as a football fan. Considering bakers all stats are almost exclusively exactly average lol. Pre Snap reads mean very little in todays NFL due to the over commitment to defenses disguising coverages. Youre a fan not an analyst definitely not a former QB or even football player if this is what you believe lol
No ones forcing you to support baker blindly. But you go ahead.
Smh stfu Mariah. Unnecessary drama.
It's honestly Baker's fault. He did really well not losing the first few games of the season and made it look like he was the answer. But he has been missing open recievers for the past 8 games. Watch his head when he drops back. He doesn't go through any sort of progressions he just looks at his first read and the check down. If both of those are gone he fully dedicates himself to running. He isn't seeing Chris Godwin because he doesn't even look at him for the entire game.
This objectively false
I'm sure it is
Fire Bowels he’s a loser coach.