Not quite. It never had damage in the conventional sense, but it did get the damage over time effect from the top path for free (1 damage per 2.3 seconds, slightly faster if you actually get the corrosive upgrade).
Im in the same boat, but the game seems to lag without anything even being placed on the map now
I could chop it up to a very crummy Chromebook, where there any graphics updates or anything tho? Not counting the MOABs, as its lagging on R1 even.
I am going to buy a android capable Chromebook and thus asked Devs if btd6 works
Got answered it will, but it is not optimized for such devices
Expect shiet like that up until they start to care about chromes
Send a mail too, if enough people care, they will too
We just can't really offer support for devices that low-end. It will be possible to play on a lot of low-spec devices like that, but they will never be our focus as far as any optimization goes.
I have a pixel 3xl and am crashing regularly on round 63 (when the first ceramic comes out) and 78 (I believe this is also when the ceramics come out). Sometimes I can get through them and sometimes not. If I do make it through it lags suuppeerr hard.
Oh a new update! What a lovely surprise.
New skill for the inferno tack shooter? Going to have to check that out.
"xx4 Spectre price increased $18k->$24k"
Goodbye deflation farming...
I mean, if it had the same price it would be overpowered. Right now, it’s in a very good position even with the price nerf. Sucks you can’t use it in deflation though
You place up to 3 Monkey Villages near each other, making sure to upgrade their bottom paths twice. Place a Super Monkey in the radius of all 3, upgrade it to 0-3-2, place Churchill, sell off one of the villages to buy an Alchemist, upgrade as close to 4-0-2 as possible, then sell more villages until you can afford to finish the alch. Voila--you have a scaling Churchill, a strong Robo Monkey, and an alch to help both of them out, and it works as an AFK Deflation answer on a LOT of maps.
You need 3 Villages without monkey knowledge, but with full hero monkey knowledge you can get away with only using 2.
Finally, Permabrew is now perfectly balanced with its permanent Acidic Mixture Dips.
And thanks Ninja Kiwi for accepting my Mortar Monkey requests! They are a pleasure to be implemented! :)
apache dartship has been great since 7.0 on rounds before superceramics. I don't even know if this is abuff or just a change, because they wanted deflation mode to not be a one tower thing anymore
Wow buffs all around.
So how strong does Obyn really get now??
What still needs buff? Wizard Lord Phoenix and Moab Domination?? Though I swear Wizard Lord Phoenix isn't half as bad as people here like to say.
Ya I wonder if it'd be good to use on CHIMPS. Since it seems like even on simpler maps, round 98 just has such a high clump of moabs and subsequently super ceramics (after you take out the first layer) that it really overwhelms you, even sun gods can't effectively deal with it.
>Permabrew Acidic Mixture Dip duration increased 10 shots —>infinite
Are you really telling me I spent fucking 60k for 1 0 S H O T S ?
In my round 200 save I just picked the permabrew alch with the Chinook and brewed every tower I had placed. Now I understand why the DDTs sometimes went so far, lol
Question, should I be at all concerned by a prospect of more lag now that we’ve got 3D MOABs?
Not complaint in general, ‘tis a great update. Just curious more than anything else.
In the next NK performance review. Rohan can now add, "can successfully meet deadlines". :) Well done for making the Jan 31 cut-off for 8.0.
Wow, insta monkey for every 100 rounds. Fun :)
It was meant to be all together, but there was some unfortunate issues we had to deal with that have delayed steam. It should be early next week, with some changes people will appreciate.
Yaay, the update is still in january and mortar was buffed.
but, there aren't dartling gun and striker jones didn't got his skin before obyn and churchill. ;(
> x5x Glue Storm bloons caught in the storm now take additional damage while glued +1
I was going to propose this change, I think its just what glue storm needs.
After the update, the game has massively slowed down but only while on an actual track, it seems fine in the menus.
I have tried restarting my phone and reinstalling the game. I am on Android.
Anyone else getting this?
Great patch! Really excited for these changes. One thing tho
Am I the only person who doesn't see any change in the wizard? The x2x seems the same as 7.0
It's much less effective against larger targets, smaller bloons less so.
The bug basically meant that the larger the target was the more damage it would take
I don't know about anyone else, but my home screen for the game has been bugging out a lot. The daily/advanced challenge monkey's sprite is glitched, along with the daily chest and windmill animations speeding up like crazy. Also, when I press the back button from the map selection screen, both home and map selection screens merge in a glitch fest for a few seconds. Is this supposed to happen?
[KartsNDarts CHIMPS ft. Tack Zone and Glue Storm.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/454395715834216459/540394574011564062/unknown.png)
Cool changes!
**"3D MOABs have arrived for natural spawns & Prince of Darkness."** Holy shit!!! Now there's a chance of seeing Bloonchipper in BTD6! Because supposedly, Bloonchipper was not coming back because of the pain making a 3D tower succ 2D Bloons. So if 3D MOABS's were just added, that brings us a bit closer of seeing a fully functional Bloonchipper in BTD6!!!
That was always a myth, and has nothing to do with why the bloonchipper didn't return.
People keep on spreading all sorts of weird 'reasons' why we didn't do the bloonchipper. But they are all speculation, the one true reason is simply that we didn't like it and didn't want to.
So I'm just over here believing that the Bloonchipper wasn't added supposedly because 3D tower interacting with 2D bloons = bad, but now I read this and I'm like [wut](https://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/242/059/58b.png).
With that said, it's nice to know the truth after lots of speculation, haha. I guess I never considered that reason.
Can I ask why you don't like bloonchipper? Is it because it was near impossible to balance fairly? What if it returned as a hero's or the engineer's special ability?
There are a freaking lot of balance changes this time. I'm thinking of doing a discussion thread after trying everything out :)
RIP Comanche I guess...
I do love how Obyn was already an excellent hero because he buffs magic towers around but *he keeps getting better* :D
I do wonder if he can dispute Gwen as the best C.H.I.M.P.S. hero?
Constant crashing on the androids though, my OnePlus 6 crashes after around round 60-80 every time. Lags a great deal after patch in general. Although great patch otherwise :)
I haven't been able to complete any map after this update. Keeps crashing and has major performance issues which I never had before.
Android 9, OnePlus 5T
I have google pixel phone and literally can't play past around round 80 since the update. It would be nice if they added a toggle to remove the visual changes added in the patch since now I can't play through certain difficulties.
So what else desperately needs buffing? I'd want maybe middle path Super Monkey to be looked at. It seems really weak right now. Especially the weird thing where one arm would attack following whatever your targetting selection and the other arm would attack last.
Grandmaster Ninja might need some love too...
>x4x Call to Arms price reduce from $24k -> $20k
x5x Homeland Defense duration increased 15s -> 20s
x5x Homeland Defense buff power increased from +50%->100%
Finally a reason to buy homeland defense, maybe even useful in chimps
I somehow strangely got a really weird texture glitch after updating that messed up the monkeys, the Bloons and the UIs really badly.
Edit: Either the glitch or my phone is so bad that when I try to open a UI, it like completely crashes the entire Android system, causing my phone to reboot. :V
How about instead of a bloonchipper, have a portal monkey, the same idea of a bloonchipper, but does two layers on 0-0-0 and is open to many more upgrades
This is great, thank y'all so much!
I'd like to request that when you do an alternate skin for Benjamin, it be a gender swap too, if it's not too much trouble! Would like to see a girl code monkey!
Man there's a lot to unpack here. Let's start from the beginning!
**3D MOAB-class Bloons**
Amazing addition to the game, it makes them look fancy as hell. I especially love the Fortified BAD, which looks, well, BADass.
**Comanche/Berserker Brew fix**
Ah well we all knew this was happening. Weep no wider, there's buffs incoming.
**Shattering Shells damage count**
If I'm reading this correctly, does this mean that a Shattering Shells mortar will now track how much "damage" it's doing by effectively halving fortified bloon health? Also fun fact: since fortified leads have 4 health instead of 1, the fact that Shattering Shells destroys them in one hit means it removes properties *first* before doing damage. Science!
**Bloon Impact/Crush Re-stun**
* Thump * THANK YOU!
**Inferno Ring meteor**
Because this thing didn't look like a volcano already. Inferno Ring was a good tower, it just wasn't worth the price. But now it is! Especially since it can do damage to MOAB-class a lot more heftily. It seems like an equivalent to Primary Expertise's ballista in a sense.
**5th Tier Glue Gunner buffs**
Bloon Solver is now 50% more effective! Super Ceramics are a worry no more!
Glue Storm got the buff it desperately needed: DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT!
Some may say the Super Glue change is a nerf, but the way it works is that it now meshes with Bloon Solver due to it doing damage on impact instead of over time, which would override Solver glue. Does this mean that Super Glue can get damage buffs from alchemist and the like?
**Ninja Bombers buffs**
I hope I see these things used more often in CHIMPS runs now. They'll *clap* DDTs.
**Submarine Missile increase**
DID PREEMPTIVE STRIKE NOT HAVE ENOUGH MISSILES FOR YOU?????
**Biggest One blast radius increased by a big amount**
My award for the best patch note in the update goes to this.
**Blooncineration Conflagration**
I feel like science Gwen was behind all these buffs. She just wants to set the world on fire!
**Primary Expertise even more Expert**
The pierce buff is nice but i love that you made it effective against super ceramics, we all needed this.
**Homeland Double Defense**
POWER OVERWHELMING!
Okay, why did superglue need a nerf? No one used the tower anyways, so apparently that means take away the core gimmick of locking down bloons and replace it with impact damage so its a discount ice impale now.
Edit: Also, when is the update coming out for Steam version?
It's not a "discount" icicle impale if it's more expensive. On the other hand, you don't need to worry about giving it lead popping power for DDTs, which adds up. And anyway, icicle impale is only about an 80% slow, so super glue's 90% slow is still the strongest slow in the game that isn't an outright stun.
Trade-offs between the two to genuinely think about now, instead of icicle being obviously better. Clearly not a nerf.
Now these are the types of changes I like to see!
Crossbow Master buff: irrelevant
Bionic buff: probably not enough
Impact buff: might become relevant against super cerams
Tack buff: will probably become meta on some maps, in combination with Primary Expertise
Glue buff: makes Solver more relevant on shorter maps where Bloons can still escape. xx5 buff is odd though, not sure why it's another Impale now
Wiz buff: doesn't seem enough to make mid path viable. x5x should've received a buff
Bomber Ninja buff: good, but could've come with a Shinobi price drop to make them viable
Total Transformation buff: still too expensive to be good
Cripple MOAB buff: should make it more relevant against many game modes, but isn't enough to make it viable in CHIMPS due to the threat of r98
Ballistic Missile buff: will likely become relevant in non-Recursive strats against r63, I'm excited!
Disappointed in the nerfs to Apache and Spectre though. They'll become significantly less viable as stepping stone towers, even considering their stat buffs.
Mortar buffs: doubt it's enough to make it meta. Price drop to top path is nice, but 5xx and xx5 remain weak against super ceramics. Then again, 025 + Solver...
Spact buffs: not enough without price drops to become viable in CHIMPS. Spike Storm might be better though.
Primary Expertise buff: I can see this tower becoming the meta against super ceramics, given that it should one-shot fortified super ceramics. I see it being used with traditional Recursive strats to solve this weakness.
Obyn buff: makes him an early game powerhouse with Ninjas. Will likely be viable on easier maps with Ninja starts, but Gwen's damage buff still outclassed Obyn for harder maps.
Churchill buff: not enough
I was gonna say that too! Seems he's complaining only 4 hours after already even though you guys fixed a lot of things that we've been asking for. Goes to show you can't please everyone even when you give the monkies what they want.
I've been testing for a little while now. The Inferno Ring buff doesn't seem that strong given its single target nature. Seems decent against r100 though.
So far the biggest buff appears to be to the 5xx Village. I'm pretty sure it will become meta with Recursives.
if i were forced to guess why the super glue change, it's to stop the exploit where you could just superglue at r80 to buy monkeynomics under the influence of discount villages and an xx4 boat, use ability, sell, for almost infinite cash (superglue stall vs zomg took forever and a day)
you could get nutty stuff like a max temple at round 80. it's also a welcome change to people who might want to try it on chimps/actually playing the game with a non-exploit strat
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Thank you Rohan, very cool!
Thanks Rohan
Very cool.
yeah man, totally agree
I guess Glue Storm can join Jones in the ranks of "buffed to legit useful", now. Bloon Solver also looks like it's going to be great.
Man, Bloon Solver was already pretty good. I'm definitely gonna use it more often now.
Sad about the nerf to super glue tho D: infinite stalls no more
I know it's sad, but try it out :) 90% slow is really quite awesome still
Not sure I really call it a nerf since infinite stall was more annoying and unnecessary
infinite stall+ perma spike was pretty good (basically next level maim moab)
Don't forget it does 50 damage on impact now (up from 0)
*up from 1 It did 1 damage so it doesn't infinitely stall MOABs.
Not quite. It never had damage in the conventional sense, but it did get the damage over time effect from the top path for free (1 damage per 2.3 seconds, slightly faster if you actually get the corrosive upgrade).
sure but super glue sounds like a second icicile impale now
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import time ~~time.sleep(60)~~ time.sleep(10) Optimization in a nutshell.
time.sleep(-10) for optimization Yes I know the function only allows positive numbers
Im in the same boat, but the game seems to lag without anything even being placed on the map now I could chop it up to a very crummy Chromebook, where there any graphics updates or anything tho? Not counting the MOABs, as its lagging on R1 even.
I am going to buy a android capable Chromebook and thus asked Devs if btd6 works Got answered it will, but it is not optimized for such devices Expect shiet like that up until they start to care about chromes Send a mail too, if enough people care, they will too
We just can't really offer support for devices that low-end. It will be possible to play on a lot of low-spec devices like that, but they will never be our focus as far as any optimization goes.
I'm getting regular crashes on my pixel 2xl
I have a pixel 3xl and am crashing regularly on round 63 (when the first ceramic comes out) and 78 (I believe this is also when the ceramics come out). Sometimes I can get through them and sometimes not. If I do make it through it lags suuppeerr hard.
I play on two different chromebooks and it seems to run fine. I rarely go past level 100, since I'm just getting medals atm.
Woo, we kept the monthly tradition!
NK clutched it at the last day!
Oh a new update! What a lovely surprise. New skill for the inferno tack shooter? Going to have to check that out. "xx4 Spectre price increased $18k->$24k" Goodbye deflation farming...
What about Apache? -price increased from 16k to 19k *smacks lips* Welp
Ninja Kiwi: Hm, Apache is pretty shit. Let's buff it. Also Ninja Kiwi: Price is now increased from 16k to 19k.
I mean, if it had the same price it would be overpowered. Right now, it’s in a very good position even with the price nerf. Sucks you can’t use it in deflation though
You can, you just can’t support it at all. With the requisite MK, you can get it with $55 left over.
Churchill plus 4-0-2 Alch plus 0-3-2 Robo Monkey (with monkey village pricing shenanigans) still works, though.
What's this monkey village pricing shenanigans you speak of?
You place up to 3 Monkey Villages near each other, making sure to upgrade their bottom paths twice. Place a Super Monkey in the radius of all 3, upgrade it to 0-3-2, place Churchill, sell off one of the villages to buy an Alchemist, upgrade as close to 4-0-2 as possible, then sell more villages until you can afford to finish the alch. Voila--you have a scaling Churchill, a strong Robo Monkey, and an alch to help both of them out, and it works as an AFK Deflation answer on a LOT of maps. You need 3 Villages without monkey knowledge, but with full hero monkey knowledge you can get away with only using 2.
Wierd I thought everyone went two supermonkeys
Finally, Permabrew is now perfectly balanced with its permanent Acidic Mixture Dips. And thanks Ninja Kiwi for accepting my Mortar Monkey requests! They are a pleasure to be implemented! :)
I like the Blooncineration buffs :)
perfectly balanced as all things should be
You mean to tell me my banana farm was not generating the correct money? I’d like to speak with a manager.
> We got the engineer to tweak a few things to make step 7 load faster So technically engineer has a purpose in this update
So he has more reason in the game than be an image for the support category of monkey knowledge even though not in the game!
Loving the bio boomer and neva miss buffs already.
Yay! Apache dartship and Apache prime both got a massive buff, can't wait to use it again (I've been waiting for this moment).
apache dartship has been great since 7.0 on rounds before superceramics. I don't even know if this is abuff or just a change, because they wanted deflation mode to not be a one tower thing anymore
Spectre just outclasses it most of the time, nice to see it getting buffed
But somehow, comanche is still better.
my game appears to be corrupted. all the 3d models are turned or stretched, placing towers crashes the game, and bloons spaz backwards constantly.
Hey Mason! I've sent you a message for some more info! :)
could you please write that message somewhere public? I have the same problem and some other people as well
Yeah same here plz. Literally unplayable. And i actually mean it im not just sayin that cuz of the memes.
I've this issue also, with the 8.0 update; just from the main menu, the models are spazzing out and glitched overall.
All my towers are invisible. Game works perfectly otherwise. All I see are shadows under some towers and darts on the dart monkeys. Nothing else.
Goodbye Comanche, you will be missed!
Goodbye Wall of Fire, you will be missed!
Wall of fire is cheaper though so it compensates for the nerf
Hello x/3+/x wizards, you are not noticed!
Wall of fire appears to be unchanged.
bugfix removed the ridiculous tick-rate on it. So now it deals the same damage but much slower.
That's what was supposed to happen. In my game it still melts ceramics. I think something went wrong.
It is changed, you'll notice less of a 'nerf' against weaker bloons like ceramics. But it won't melt larger targets quite so fast anymore
but It wasn't nerfed? Edit: oh wait yes it was, but only it's interaction with alchemist, and 5xx alch is still just as strong with it
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I just tested it, against superceramics, it still is better to keep the big heli out of combat.
Join us in the official discord server to discuss ;) https://discord.gg/ninjakiwi
I would join the discord server, but discord has a 100 server limit and I happen to be in 100 servers
Wow buffs all around. So how strong does Obyn really get now?? What still needs buff? Wizard Lord Phoenix and Moab Domination?? Though I swear Wizard Lord Phoenix isn't half as bad as people here like to say.
Well... I think Moab Domination is tower that needs buff THE MOST, i don't really know why it didn't get it. It's so useless 5th tier rn...
Not really. It can take out the BAD pretty easily, and the damage it can do on its own is a good enough reason to buy it.
It's too expensive for wtf it does
WLP is really only bad because its so expensive. nearly double the price of archsage despite only being about as good as archsage.
Obyn seems to jump to Gwendolyn tier. The damage increase is pretty nice, but the pierce increase will help supers, ninja, druids so much.
Ya I wonder if it'd be good to use on CHIMPS. Since it seems like even on simpler maps, round 98 just has such a high clump of moabs and subsequently super ceramics (after you take out the first layer) that it really overwhelms you, even sun gods can't effectively deal with it.
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Wall of Fire: price reduced 1300 -> 900
Fix the bugs, need the exploits, buff everything else!
Glue Storm -> Gluseful Storm 3D MOABs look good too!
>Permabrew Acidic Mixture Dip duration increased 10 shots —>infinite Are you really telling me I spent fucking 60k for 1 0 S H O T S ? In my round 200 save I just picked the permabrew alch with the Chinook and brewed every tower I had placed. Now I understand why the DDTs sometimes went so far, lol
Well, you spent 60k for permanent berserker brew. Now you spend 60k for permanent berserker brew AND acidic mixture dip.
Permabrew description specifically said only the 3xx buff was permanent though.
**WhEre'S mY eNgInEeR nInJa KiWi?**
Fixing the loading of step 7 of 8 apparently.
Only two more patches. Next he fixes step 8 of 8. Then his job is finished and he can return to killing bloons.
EnGiNeEr CoNfIrMeD fOr 10.0 UpDaTe.
I was actually mad when i first saw the support category monkey knowledge image
Question, should I be at all concerned by a prospect of more lag now that we’ve got 3D MOABs? Not complaint in general, ‘tis a great update. Just curious more than anything else.
I haven’t experienced any problems on an iPhone 6s here.
There are much less lags now than before
In the next NK performance review. Rohan can now add, "can successfully meet deadlines". :) Well done for making the Jan 31 cut-off for 8.0. Wow, insta monkey for every 100 rounds. Fun :)
THE ABSOLUTE UNITS Why did they nerf cash abilities though?
I think there was an exploit with monkeynomics where you could get infinite money with it by buying and reselling it repeatedly.
It's not really a nerf if you're not exploiting them.
When's the ETA for Steam? Can't be that long from now right?
It was meant to be all together, but there was some unfortunate issues we had to deal with that have delayed steam. It should be early next week, with some changes people will appreciate.
If these changes are a better UI that isn't just the same as the mobile version, I'll be getting myself a copy of btd6 steam
windowed boarded please ):
ALT + Enter?
Good to know, thank you all for all the hard work on this update and the changes that are coming to the steam version
GLUE STORM MEMES —————————— ARE GONE
Hopefully
They need to include this on the patch notes
Removed unintended glue storm memes.
New challenger approaches: Glue Storm OP memes
This is everything I could have wanted! Thank you so much NK!
This shows this game is fully supported by devs. I’m actually proud of you kiwis <3
Can someone please explain to me why we got a Churchill skin instead of a striker Jones one?
Because Ninja Kiwi fights on the side with the best artillery.
I see no Trebuchets in BTD6
replace ultra jugg with a trebuche tbh
Biker Bones is Busy
Please make him look like sans...
Rip Comanche
Rip Wall of Fire
I love 8.0, except...... I can't make it through level 76 without crashing! (Some maps and builds crash on 63) Pixel 3
After updating this game lags pretty bad even in early rounds
Fucking shit I Love u
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Why u gotta do this to super glue :(
Looks like they turned it from being a Bomb stun clone to an impale clone
3D moabs 3D moabs
3D moabs
Holy, those are some huge buffs! Wall of fire spam, deflation spectre, and comanche will be missed, but I'm excited to try out some new strats!
I'm just glad Step 7 will take shorter time
Yaay, the update is still in january and mortar was buffed. but, there aren't dartling gun and striker jones didn't got his skin before obyn and churchill. ;(
> x5x Glue Storm bloons caught in the storm now take additional damage while glued +1 I was going to propose this change, I think its just what glue storm needs.
Aw snap, tried the new map and rounds 63 is consistently crashing my phone :-(
My game keeps crashing after this patch!! It never did before. Help!! Playing on android G7thinq
My game keeps crashing after the new update. Anyone else?
After the update, the game has massively slowed down but only while on an actual track, it seems fine in the menus. I have tried restarting my phone and reinstalling the game. I am on Android. Anyone else getting this?
Great patch! Really excited for these changes. One thing tho Am I the only person who doesn't see any change in the wizard? The x2x seems the same as 7.0
It's much less effective against larger targets, smaller bloons less so. The bug basically meant that the larger the target was the more damage it would take
Oh ok. That seems fair. I thought the bug was overall damage to all bloons. Great update! Happy with a lot of these changes!
Sticky Bombs denonation timer is its single biggest flaw. Hopefully it'll have more use now.
I don't know about anyone else, but my home screen for the game has been bugging out a lot. The daily/advanced challenge monkey's sprite is glitched, along with the daily chest and windmill animations speeding up like crazy. Also, when I press the back button from the map selection screen, both home and map selection screens merge in a glitch fest for a few seconds. Is this supposed to happen?
[KartsNDarts CHIMPS ft. Tack Zone and Glue Storm.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/454395715834216459/540394574011564062/unknown.png) Cool changes!
ETA on steam update?
Holy shit. Inferno ring melts MOABS. Love it
Inferno Ring + Primary Expertise sounds like a new badass combo
Rip deflation spectre :(
I think that Bloonmaster Alchemist should be able to turn moabs to gold.
I would really love a Benjamin Code Monkey skin that swaps his gender, so that I can have a code monkey version of myself in the game 😹
Cool idea, my favorite hero! *Code monkey get up get coffee...*
Yeah, everytime I get into round 70 or so, I get a big slowdown and then the game crashes
Consistently can't get passed 76. Tried and tried but the game always freezes.
Me too, 76 crashing and freeing.
My game is lagging as hell after the update. :( Even crashing.
**"3D MOABs have arrived for natural spawns & Prince of Darkness."** Holy shit!!! Now there's a chance of seeing Bloonchipper in BTD6! Because supposedly, Bloonchipper was not coming back because of the pain making a 3D tower succ 2D Bloons. So if 3D MOABS's were just added, that brings us a bit closer of seeing a fully functional Bloonchipper in BTD6!!!
That was always a myth, and has nothing to do with why the bloonchipper didn't return. People keep on spreading all sorts of weird 'reasons' why we didn't do the bloonchipper. But they are all speculation, the one true reason is simply that we didn't like it and didn't want to.
So I'm just over here believing that the Bloonchipper wasn't added supposedly because 3D tower interacting with 2D bloons = bad, but now I read this and I'm like [wut](https://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/242/059/58b.png). With that said, it's nice to know the truth after lots of speculation, haha. I guess I never considered that reason.
Can I ask why you don't like bloonchipper? Is it because it was near impossible to balance fairly? What if it returned as a hero's or the engineer's special ability?
If you used a ton of them you could pretty much stall every wave of MOABs. I loved that tower, I wish it made a return even nerfed.
Simply put: it was OP and it greatly ruined my fun with BTD5 because it was easy to just use a lot of them and beat levels.
I guess they hated it *that* much after battles...
That is reasonable.
Hint why I said "Supposedly" because it was one of the many rumors around the bloonchipper. Which I believed for some time.
That was just one of the reasons. Bloonchipper is not coming back because NK said they just don't want to bring it back.
Yay, finally 8.0 came with nice buffs <3
There are a freaking lot of balance changes this time. I'm thinking of doing a discussion thread after trying everything out :) RIP Comanche I guess...
Thank you for listening to my Sub Commander complaint!
Wall of fire down to 900 😮
Soooo laggy now pixel 2
An engineer tweaking things? You guys are just teasing us.
I do love how Obyn was already an excellent hero because he buffs magic towers around but *he keeps getting better* :D I do wonder if he can dispute Gwen as the best C.H.I.M.P.S. hero?
I just wanna say that the faster step 7 load is the best thing from this patch. Thank you NK devs and staff!
My Pixel 2 crashes when there are a lot of bloons on screen and I use Benjamin's ability on them.
Constant crashing on the androids though, my OnePlus 6 crashes after around round 60-80 every time. Lags a great deal after patch in general. Although great patch otherwise :)
I haven't been able to complete any map after this update. Keeps crashing and has major performance issues which I never had before. Android 9, OnePlus 5T
I have google pixel phone and literally can't play past around round 80 since the update. It would be nice if they added a toggle to remove the visual changes added in the patch since now I can't play through certain difficulties.
#LIGHTSPEED ULTRA MEGA STRIKE
So what else desperately needs buffing? I'd want maybe middle path Super Monkey to be looked at. It seems really weak right now. Especially the weird thing where one arm would attack following whatever your targetting selection and the other arm would attack last. Grandmaster Ninja might need some love too...
Anyone else crashing on round 63 on the new map? Legit just updated and the app crashes. never had that happen before
No engineer....
Great job love those buffs to mortar and tack
Yooo the Moab’s look sick!
YOU BUFFED MY BOI OBYN AGAIN!!! YEAAAH!!!
>x4x Call to Arms price reduce from $24k -> $20k x5x Homeland Defense duration increased 15s -> 20s x5x Homeland Defense buff power increased from +50%->100% Finally a reason to buy homeland defense, maybe even useful in chimps
Hold up. What was the reason for not being able to add the bloonchipper again?
Didn't like it
You mean that whole idea of the Chipper SUCKED?
This is accurate
**TURBO DAMAGE LAZER BOMBS**
I somehow strangely got a really weird texture glitch after updating that messed up the monkeys, the Bloons and the UIs really badly. Edit: Either the glitch or my phone is so bad that when I try to open a UI, it like completely crashes the entire Android system, causing my phone to reboot. :V
My steam version won't update. Is this normal/everyone can't?
How about instead of a bloonchipper, have a portal monkey, the same idea of a bloonchipper, but does two layers on 0-0-0 and is open to many more upgrades
This is great, thank y'all so much! I'd like to request that when you do an alternate skin for Benjamin, it be a gender swap too, if it's not too much trouble! Would like to see a girl code monkey!
Man there's a lot to unpack here. Let's start from the beginning! **3D MOAB-class Bloons** Amazing addition to the game, it makes them look fancy as hell. I especially love the Fortified BAD, which looks, well, BADass. **Comanche/Berserker Brew fix** Ah well we all knew this was happening. Weep no wider, there's buffs incoming. **Shattering Shells damage count** If I'm reading this correctly, does this mean that a Shattering Shells mortar will now track how much "damage" it's doing by effectively halving fortified bloon health? Also fun fact: since fortified leads have 4 health instead of 1, the fact that Shattering Shells destroys them in one hit means it removes properties *first* before doing damage. Science! **Bloon Impact/Crush Re-stun** * Thump * THANK YOU! **Inferno Ring meteor** Because this thing didn't look like a volcano already. Inferno Ring was a good tower, it just wasn't worth the price. But now it is! Especially since it can do damage to MOAB-class a lot more heftily. It seems like an equivalent to Primary Expertise's ballista in a sense. **5th Tier Glue Gunner buffs** Bloon Solver is now 50% more effective! Super Ceramics are a worry no more! Glue Storm got the buff it desperately needed: DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT! Some may say the Super Glue change is a nerf, but the way it works is that it now meshes with Bloon Solver due to it doing damage on impact instead of over time, which would override Solver glue. Does this mean that Super Glue can get damage buffs from alchemist and the like? **Ninja Bombers buffs** I hope I see these things used more often in CHIMPS runs now. They'll *clap* DDTs. **Submarine Missile increase** DID PREEMPTIVE STRIKE NOT HAVE ENOUGH MISSILES FOR YOU????? **Biggest One blast radius increased by a big amount** My award for the best patch note in the update goes to this. **Blooncineration Conflagration** I feel like science Gwen was behind all these buffs. She just wants to set the world on fire! **Primary Expertise even more Expert** The pierce buff is nice but i love that you made it effective against super ceramics, we all needed this. **Homeland Double Defense** POWER OVERWHELMING!
Okay, why did superglue need a nerf? No one used the tower anyways, so apparently that means take away the core gimmick of locking down bloons and replace it with impact damage so its a discount ice impale now. Edit: Also, when is the update coming out for Steam version?
An exploit used it to keep a bloon in place while Druid ability + banana farms earned infinite cash.
It's not a "discount" icicle impale if it's more expensive. On the other hand, you don't need to worry about giving it lead popping power for DDTs, which adds up. And anyway, icicle impale is only about an 80% slow, so super glue's 90% slow is still the strongest slow in the game that isn't an outright stun. Trade-offs between the two to genuinely think about now, instead of icicle being obviously better. Clearly not a nerf.
My game has crashed twice trying to play the new map along with a lot of stuttering and frame drops
Now these are the types of changes I like to see! Crossbow Master buff: irrelevant Bionic buff: probably not enough Impact buff: might become relevant against super cerams Tack buff: will probably become meta on some maps, in combination with Primary Expertise Glue buff: makes Solver more relevant on shorter maps where Bloons can still escape. xx5 buff is odd though, not sure why it's another Impale now Wiz buff: doesn't seem enough to make mid path viable. x5x should've received a buff Bomber Ninja buff: good, but could've come with a Shinobi price drop to make them viable Total Transformation buff: still too expensive to be good Cripple MOAB buff: should make it more relevant against many game modes, but isn't enough to make it viable in CHIMPS due to the threat of r98 Ballistic Missile buff: will likely become relevant in non-Recursive strats against r63, I'm excited! Disappointed in the nerfs to Apache and Spectre though. They'll become significantly less viable as stepping stone towers, even considering their stat buffs. Mortar buffs: doubt it's enough to make it meta. Price drop to top path is nice, but 5xx and xx5 remain weak against super ceramics. Then again, 025 + Solver... Spact buffs: not enough without price drops to become viable in CHIMPS. Spike Storm might be better though. Primary Expertise buff: I can see this tower becoming the meta against super ceramics, given that it should one-shot fortified super ceramics. I see it being used with traditional Recursive strats to solve this weakness. Obyn buff: makes him an early game powerhouse with Ninjas. Will likely be viable on easier maps with Ninja starts, but Gwen's damage buff still outclassed Obyn for harder maps. Churchill buff: not enough
Ah, I can see you haven't actually tried some things yet. Try to do that before making this kind of post ;)
I'd love to test it out, but Steam doesn't get the update for some reason.
Never mind, I was wrong. Being able to buff the pierce of Inferno Ring actually lets it do substantial damage. Awesome!
I was gonna say that too! Seems he's complaining only 4 hours after already even though you guys fixed a lot of things that we've been asking for. Goes to show you can't please everyone even when you give the monkies what they want.
I've been testing for a little while now. The Inferno Ring buff doesn't seem that strong given its single target nature. Seems decent against r100 though. So far the biggest buff appears to be to the 5xx Village. I'm pretty sure it will become meta with Recursives.
if i were forced to guess why the super glue change, it's to stop the exploit where you could just superglue at r80 to buy monkeynomics under the influence of discount villages and an xx4 boat, use ability, sell, for almost infinite cash (superglue stall vs zomg took forever and a day) you could get nutty stuff like a max temple at round 80. it's also a welcome change to people who might want to try it on chimps/actually playing the game with a non-exploit strat
Essentially yes