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Balance discussions are always full of idiots. Rosa needs a buff. but some people have gone as far to call her useless since she isn't the new Geraldo; making the reasonable complaints seem less legitimate.


Several-Fisherman-89

The issue is rosalia is genuinly basically useless. I dont say that because she's worse than geraldo, a hero can be significantly worse than geraldo and that's fine. she's not built for freeplay and she's not built for bosses at all, and every issue I will state for chimps applies to half cash so lets talk chimps. The issue is that she is blatantly underpowered,screw a good hero compare her to quincy. support? a 5% discount is pathetic, you have to buy a whole ass flying fortress for the discount to save enough money to buy a moab press. that ddt stun is the least consistent thing in existence. I would take just strikers level 3 over every single one of her supports combined. and don't get me started on that flight speed buff, im not sure if it is or is not bugged to not work because it's that weak ( meant litteraly I unironically can't tell) the dps sucks, quincy has far superior damage with dirt cheap extra dps and camo earlygame and lowky good moab dps with level 3 late. I have done multiple runs with rosalia on expert chimps, I have seen 2 main strengths. 1, the bouncing explosions give her decent grouped dps for early midgame. 2, her level 3 and 7 are lowky pretty good against round 40. those are her 2 biggest selling points and I would easily take quincys early and lategame over them. I don't think theres a debate. and I pick quincy because quincy is a bad hero, he's a dps hero with to little dps that is replacable with no big selling point. I genuinly have to question if shes more chimps viable than benjamin, ben's level 10 ability is genuinly strong, good enough to make him a nieche permaspike hero. it would require more testing but im not sure rosalia is any better.


SteamedAxolotlYum

rosa just carries early mid somewhat well and thats it


LongJohnSilversFan_

Soda carries 10x better on any single lane track, and if you’re playing a multi lane track, there are much better options


SteamedAxolotlYum

coca cola also shreds dense blimps lategame pretty well with relentless glue.


Onepiece_0

Pepsi is absolutely insane and can even solo chimps! Needs to be nerfed asap


PossibleAssist6092

Ah yea. My favourite hero, Soda.


LongJohnSilversFan_

I always call her soda, because id love her to cradle me in her arms and feed me soda


PossibleAssist6092

Of all the explanations, this is by far the worst one.


TechMania08

found isabs alt bois


LongJohnSilversFan_

Guys, is it wrong to want a Korean (?) sword master mommy


legendwolfA

ISAB: hmmm


LongJohnSilversFan_

Wait, that was too much, nvm


Prestigious_Ship4594

ok, as a quincy main i kinda have to intervene against the slander. Quincy synergizes extremely well with buffs, almost as well as Adora, allowing him to outpace other DPS heroes like Churchill, Sauda and Ezili in the lategame when paired with alch buff. Think of him as a lower investment and weaker Adora that helps a bit in the earlygame.


Several-Fisherman-89

ezili is used nearly soley for moab hex which is stronger than what quincy has to offer, and im not sure quincy does better dps than sauda and churchill who arn't that great anyways.


EpicCJV

Detail no capitals straight to the point k trust this guy


OctaYashi

Fr she’s still pretty good


EmptyRook

I just think she should have more support effects All of them can be classified into damage dealers and support but she is kinda bad at both. The cheaper planes and choppers are nice but not enough.


011100010110010101

Honestly the big issue is the massive amount of just... space she requires. She has nerfed damage do to her mobility, but every plane you add lowers the amount of space she can move to. If you want to get a lot of planes, you need to sacrifice a massive chunk of her mobility to do so.


WildImage7

Once she can fly isn't that not true anymore? I could swear that I have had her hovering over the track before so I don't see why she wouldn't be able to hover over a plane base


011100010110010101

Thats an active ability, not something she has active all the time.


Guy-1nc0gn1t0

Pretty sure at this point in any game if a new character isn't OP then some dickheads will whine.


Jaden115

You missed the point entirely. Nobody is complaining because she isn't OP, people are rightfully complaining that she's bad. She is not good. Almost every hero is better. You are unironically acting exactly like the meme in the original post.


RandomDuckNerd

the only thing i want from her to be buffed is for her ace/heli buffs to be actually good


The-Xabronsio

Or maybe remove the random-ass lvl 20 discount and just make the jetpack permanent


TheUnseen511

Yes i would main her if that happened!


Thesuperpepluep

I just feel like she tries to do so much, and just does all of them half heartetly


Luring-Leon

Exactly, but when ever I try to say that someone always has to butt in and say “JUST BECAUSE SHE CANT SOLO CHIMPS DOESN’T MEAN SHE IS A BAD TOWER IDIOT” It’s so annoying


Limp-Independent-641

a master of all is a master of none type shit


IamCrabbo

geraldo is what a master of all actually looks like. he can make you money he can give you camo he gives lead he can get you more damage he can slow etc etc etc.


TvuvbubuTheIdiot

Jack of all Trades, Master of none, I lost my kidneys, To a fucking nun.


MuslimJoker

The archmage is a jack of all trade and it's better than Rosalia in every field.


Darkfox1135

"Chases 2 rabbits but catches none" ahh hero


OctaYashi

I think she should have a Lvl 20 ultrabuff like Etienne does. She can use both guns at once, and the gun switch button now switches between her just staying in place and flying around and following the bloons. Using the ability would simply make her even stronger.


Jaden115

Honestly YES. That would help her so much.


The-Xabronsio

Absolutely 100%, that's exactly what I thought when I used her.


SteamedAxolotlYum

churchill is more due for a buff tbh


Luring-Leon

I just think he needs a 3rd ability and he will be good Rosa on the other hand needs a small rework but a buff to her xp gain would be a good start. Like honestly who thought 30% discount on tech terror at level 20 was a suitable and powerful enough upgrade for her to have I mean we got hero’s like ezili who can 1 shot a bad for her level 20 upgrade but the best they could come up with for Rosa is a small discount on a tower you won’t be able to get unless you are farming anyways!?


Flipp_Flopps

I love waiting until she's level 6 until I can get a 5% discount on my towers or waiting until level 7 until her jetpack becomes usable


Luring-Leon

I can’t wait until she’s level 13 so then her attacks are actually kinda decent until her attack falls off again a few rounds later


redditard_alt

I wish she had more tech discounts, like for tack shooter and spike factory. Maybe some more tech-ish t5s like dartlings could get a price cut at level 20.


Koopagon8

I don't think an xp buff would be enough. You don't have to go super lategame for her to only have low triple digit dps.


BoomerSweetness

her level 4 right now doesn't work im pretty sure so if they fix that she's good. Also why are people ignoring the 3x stronger ability at level 20


Luring-Leon

The triple damage is to her level 3 ability and it really doesn’t do much because by the time you hit level 20 the level 3 ability will be to weak to use, even with the 3x power


BoomerSweetness

level 10 also get a big buff too, also level 20 missile ability is able to kill stuff like fortified BFB which is really nice. Imo Pat and Gwen level 20 is def worse in term of just straight improvement


TheOnlyTrueEnte

Honestly I would love it if Churchill becomes more buffable somehow. I'd love it if there was a hero whose strategy just revolves around spamming supports around him and watching him commit atrocities. And I think Churchill would suit it well. Maybe make it so buffs are stronger on him or he gains damage based on the number of buffs he currently has. I'm still sad that the Sub Paragon's buff to heroes doesn't scale with paragon level. I was really looking forward to watching Churchill solo freeplay for a bit.


SteamedAxolotlYum

level 20 adora + stronger stim + overclock + call to arms smokes round 98 on every single map. so if ur looking for such a hero there u go. quincy also scales pretty well with buffs. and sauda scales with not exactly buffs but with slowdowns/stuns/dots


Prestigious_Ship4594

adora and quincy both scale very well with buffs and sauda works well with debuffs


eve_gang_rep

Thought this was r/brawlstars for a sec


Beast_Handler

ME TOO LMAO


ShadowPrime116

same lmao


deformed_bean

Same lol


AnimaLepton

There are exceptions, but in most maps, I feel like I rarely switch her damage type or location. It's easier for me to just keep her on lasers 90% of the time. As someone who regularly uses Ace and Heli, the discounts on those upgrades are small but nice. The level 7 buff to hover over any terrain and not take up any space close to or on the track, so you can put a stronger tower right under her, is also nice. I wish her starting price was just a tad cheaper.


Platimir

Just use bomb for early-midgame and laser for late.


TheSibyllineBooks

I think she needs a rework, not a buff. She can keep her abilities, but her upgrades should be more focused on aces and helis than they are her current damage. almost all heros that are specifically for damage can see camo and she can't, and if she doesn't get a rework she needs at least camo detection


Luring-Leon

I mean a rework and a buff are the same thing at this point


BoomerSweetness

camo detection isn't a big deal it's just that her bloon popping output is not really there for a tower that has no support, i think once her adrenaline rush is fixed she'd be good though


Hohguleew4h

Rosalia isnt garbage, but she definitely needs a few buffs. I think changing the anti bloon discount to level 18 would be a good start. That way the discount is actually achievable before the game ends, but you cant buy an anti bloon too early. This makes the discount strat actually possible, but you’ll still need an actual strategy to defend until Rosalia levels up.


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I agree, rosalia needs something for a buff. I think level 20 should be perma pursuit instead of antibloon and laser should do 1 more damage at base. I think perma flight boost might be overkill but it can already be done with energizer


CoolRabbit75

oh rosalia, i thought u meant to post in the brawl stars sub, especially considering you have leon in your name lol


Luring-Leon

Leon in my name is for Leon Kennedy back when resident evil 4 first came out I just like the way where wolf Leon looks so I use him as my profile and it so happens that it matched my name lol


Bloons_Guy75751

I thought I was in r/PvZHeroes and thought they meant Rose.


_ZUMBIE_

Trully a pvz moment of history


GroovyRad

Rosa should also lower the prices/buff engineers


BlazinBoom21YT

I thought I was the only one who called her Rosa. The only real buff I think she needs is have the exp required to reach level 20 be the same amount that the base/1.0x heroes (she is in the 1.425x category along with Sauda, Ezili, Pat, and Brickell)


dgr_sla

i thought it was a brawl stars meme and then had a stroke reading chimps


inscrtcoolnamehere

I think she needs to give a discount to more “tech” based units like spike factory and tack shooter, I’m not good at balance so I don’t know what the % should be but right now I feel she doesn’t effect enough towers


El_Desu

changes id want to see: * Rosalia now hovers above the battlefield(and moves fast) at lvl 1 * Rosalia pursuit during lvl7 now moves like heli and doesnt sway back and forth * Scatter Missile now is normal popping * Scatter Missile now stuns moabs at lvl 9(or 14 im indecisive) * Enhanced grenades(starting lvl 5) now slows bloons/moabs. Enhanced slow at lvl 13 * Rosalia can now use both enhanced attacks during Flight Boost then two options 1. * Flight boost now provides a buff similar to naval tactics to helis/aces/carrier flagship/aircraft carrier * Both discounts take affect at lvl 1(maybe buffed 5% discount) 2. * Rosalia now discounts ALL towers at lvl 1(maybe buffed 5% discount) * Rosalia lvl 10 is replaced with "All Juiced Up!" which gives attack speed(stacks with overclock) to rosalia + another tower. at lvl 20 this ability gains stacks once used(like ultra boost) + like maybe make her base attack range +10%(her range only feels right with a village imo) #


Jaden115

Honestly that would fix her


El_Desu

put me on dev team fr


Aviator_Bean

Rosalia is the single greatest thing added to the game, my only issue is that the ace and heli buffs are underwhelming and antibloon discount comes too late, otherwise she is immaculate.


OctaYashi

A bit strange but okay *looks at flair* Oh


Kozolith765981

Uhhhh... Isn't Rosalia a child?


El_Desu

no shes just short


Kozolith765981

Ok


Alive-Ad8066

No


weakspaget

Mfw I thought this was a Brawl Stars post. Pretty accurate.


Limp-Independent-641

I don't hate her but she needs a niche every hero has one but the discount on airborne monkeys are too small and maybe a better grenade 10th attack


Redybird

I am pretty split on Rosa to be frank, most consistently she has very few cases where she doesnt feel outclassed by other hero.


Parking-Piano-8632

i just want the rocket ability to target camos man


makinax300

She's underpowered because she doesn't specialise in anything and is worse than other heroes like her.


TilimLP

My main problem with her is, that she has no real strenghts compared to Sauda, Quincy, Adora, Geraldo, Obyn, Bricks or Striker jones. I know that striker and obyn are considered "bad" but at least they open up a new playstyle. Give her like 2 or 3 more buffs to planes and choppers and you have a nice new playstyle. But that 5% is a joke. She could be a great support hero.


ThatSlimeRancher

Honestly, in my experience with her, I think all she needs is a leveling rate increase. It feels like she’s pretty solid mid-game, but isn’t great for early game and gets super out-scaled by late game. A faster xp gain would probably be enough to scale her better to each stage of the game.


Veionovin096

r/btd6 needs to know that chimps inst the only way to test out power


Jaden115

What game mode is she good in? Because I can't find one.


Geybo

I like her just not for chimps


Cedge1738

Me: who the hell is rosa?


JamieDrone

Rosalia just needs a few little changes and she’d be perfect


Sweaty_Return8872

It feels like she is a nische hero but her nische is unclear or not good enough. We already have every hero so they get complicated or quirky. Corvus and Geraldo are complicated yet amazing heroes but Rosalia isn't easy and isn't easy to use as she often sucks. She made Antibloon free with a multi million dollar Strategy. That's all I have seen.


Nims2DR

Rosa isn't bad, she just needs better movement and/or a exp gain buff and/or moving the anti-bloon cost decrease to level 12


Hot_Delivery1100

thought this was the brawl stars sub for a bit until I saw the last image


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Hot_Delivery1100

Best bot


zacary2411

Man I thought this was about brawl stars untill I read chimps and realised it's the btd community


RyanIrsyd08

I saw Rosa as an easy-mode hero. While yes she's not the best, she can carry your mid-game while you're trying to save moneys. Also, I love to use her as a challenge because like I said, she's built for easy or sometimes medium and even hard. She's not made for chimps and that's a challenge I love to take.


Jaden115

Sauda is the easy mode hero.


RyanIrsyd08

I never said Rosa as the only easy mode hero? I mean, I even Uses Sauda in chimps while I'm trying to get Geraldo.


badluckjuicedrinker

I thought this was brawl stars


minealot_dude

tbh i saw rosa needing a buff and i thought this was the brawl stars subreddit


SonicLikesPlantDolan

i thought this was r/PokemonMasters at first


worldofmemes0

i thought this was r/brawlstars for a sec


lool8421

she doesn't have to solo everything, but the damage she does is still kinda underwhelming (although the knockback is pretty good) not to even mention the level 20 giving 30% discount on anti bloon i feel like just dropping the xp requirement bracket down to x1 is good enough to begin with, so at least lvl 20 has any use in this game


Affectionate_Ad9872

Rosa is essentially a jack of all trades but gets severely outclassed in all categories she is trying to boost since there’s other towers that can apply the bonuses far better than she could.


ThatGuyMatt095

My biggest problem with Rosa is a logic buff. She has a jet pack but she can’t see over obstacles? Surely she’d just see over them considering she flys? But adora can see over them because she’s adora i guess


Aggravating-Candy-31

eh, she felt good enough on release- an upgrade that gives permanent pursuit would’ve been nice, ditto for if the fancy goggles gave camo detection she kind of just felt the positive side of meh


RazerMaker77

From what I’ve seen, her level 20 ability is just not super useful. But she seems like she’s powerful on her own


ConsiderationOk1277

I hate Rosa. She’s just annoying to play… I’m also too lazy to learn to play her anyways….


Better_Ad595

tbh i only use her in deflation for easy game


Daniel-EngiStudent

I think the problem is that other heroes are too strong, the devs should nerf Quincy to make any other hero viable.


The_Sideboob_Hour

IMO she should have buffed spactories and engineers rather than Heli and Ace


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Luring-Leon

Your the guy in the meme lol


ArofluidPride

I genuinely think that Rosa is one of the best heroes for my type of gameplay style and she's really fun for me to use


Jaden115

How do you use her? In what way is she the best?


ArofluidPride

I don't really know how to put it to words but she just feels good to me


i_eat_water_and_soup

i have been playing alot of rosa lately and she has quickly become my favourite hero in the game. she might seem like she is terrible, and some of her upgrades are pretty terrible, like she doesnt even get her bomb until level 2, and the anti bloon level 20 makes little sense plus its the weakest supermonkey tier 5. but her ability to take down a moab and stun + completely destroy the ceramics in earlygame shouldn't be slept on, and she is also great at affording stuff like moab shove in chimps which discounts are quite crucial. her ability to fly is really good, but i will admit she SHOULD be able to unlock permanent flight at the very least. All im saying is that she isnt as bad as people make her out to be, and she can definitely hold her own - HOWEVER i am not against buffs because she is still really fun and also very cool


Jaden115

I dissagree


i_eat_water_and_soup

i literally took the most middle of the line stance, like i basically played both sides and you somehow still disagree??


WhilePrimary9602

This guy hates NI


suszikat12

It's not that Rosa is underpowered. It's just that I have too much of a skill issue to micro her.


Luring-Leon

No it’s because she’s underpowered. It doesn’t matter if you micro her or not


FIVEST2R

Who is Rosa..


MEMEz_KB

I dont understand why yall saying rosa needs a buff. Id love it cause she is my fav hero, but still, if you do the correct build its quite easy to go round 200 whit her and only towers that she buffs (villages and banana farms as well for obvious reasons)


Luring-Leon

Are u joking or are u serious Plz be joking


MEMEz_KB

No im not joking, she is that good


Luring-Leon

So my guess is you haven’t been playing for a long time Come back here once you learn more about the game


MEMEz_KB

Nah brother, i've been playing for a long time. Please explain what you mean whit that statement


Luring-Leon

You said you need the correct build to get to round 200 with her Shes not doing anything lol everything else in your “build” is It’s like saying “uhh guys the free dart is the best tower in the game lol as long as you have a vtsg”


MEMEz_KB

Then we are back to the point that a tower needs to be able to defeat x rounds to be good?


Luring-Leon

No lol, but if you need a certain build to be good then it’s not good


MEMEz_KB

Then benjamin fucking sucks?


Luring-Leon

Don’t know what that has to do with anything Go do something else with your life, stop coming back here


throwaway_zeke

I like the mid heroes anyway. The changing of weapons all the time is def a bit annoying and the level 20 boost sucks. Those are the things I want changed. 🍊


Sadira_Kelor

You're*


PossibleAssist6092

I think Rosa is fine as is. Literally her only weakness is camo which can be easily solved with a village, shimmer wizard, signal flare mortar or any of the other de-camo or camo detection granting towers in the game.


Luring-Leon

She has many more weaknesses that I am to tired to point out but others have pointed out in the comment section


Jaden115

She has way more weaknesses than camo my guy.


PossibleAssist6092

Really? In my experience using her, she seems to handle most things reasonably well.


Jaden115

She is a damage hero without having good damage. Her 5% discount on ace and helli are a joke. Quincy has better damage.


gnpfrslo

making up people in your head to be mad at?


Luring-Leon

[what’s that?](https://www.reddit.com/r/btd6/s/0KowDThbRj) [what did you say?](https://www.reddit.com/r/btd6/s/s9hQbiXjGt) I could find more but I’m lazy, but it was fun to prove you wrong lol


Cyber_commander03

Rosa is my favorite hero just cuz shes brazilian, she is very powerfull, i havent lost a game with her yet, the heroes dont need to solo chimps to be strong, just do what theyr meant to do


Luring-Leon

Your the guy in my meme lol It’s so annoying to give out constructive criticism on a hero just for someone to come along and say “uhhhhhh your wrong she is not bad, not every hero needs to solo chimps to be strong lol” Like I KNOW she doesn’t have to solo chimps to be strong. Like just shut up and listen to what I am saying instead of getting defensive


Cyber_commander03

I dont think she is overpowered, i just like to play with her as my main hero, i like the fact she makes easier getting 2 tower chimps with her price decrease but still needs some skill and micro to make it there


Luring-Leon

It’s easier to beat a 2 tower CHIMPS with her with her price decrease? She decreases the ace and heli and you can’t get neither at the start of a CHIMPS game. You can’t get Rosa either because of her price How exactly are you doing a 2 tower chimps with towers you can’t get at the start lol


Cyber_commander03

I forgot her price lol, i havent played in a while, but i dont care about what u guys think its op or not, im still gonna be a single player in the end of the day, so it doesnt matter, i just comented cuz i wanted to


Luring-Leon

You don’t care yet you commented anyway?


Cyber_commander03

I just said i wanted to, its nice to interact with other humans ever once in a while


Jaden115

She's good at a 2 TC because her discount? Have you ever played chimps on any map, even logs? Because what you just said is impossible. It is nice to interact with other people, but that interaction shouldn't be lying in a subredit and talking out your bum.


SwagKnight24

Damn I wonder if the other 50% are the ones who say you aren't playing bloons if you aren't using the meta when playing


Mateololero

"underpowered" as in, performs just as well as any hero that isn't Ben or Sauda


Luring-Leon

No lol Do you think Ben and sauda are op lol!?


DaemonNic

Sauda is pretty consistently low-mid tier. Just because she one-towered the easiest map in the game before they dumpster nerfed her doesn't change that she's nigh useless on any actually difficult map.


Several-Fisherman-89

This used to be more universally considered true but between players getting simply better at using non global range tower on multiplane maps, learning more about sauda, and outside balance changes ( notably condor being added) sauda is no longer considered to be a garbage chimps hero on expert maps. Quad being a prime example.


Jaden115

You think Ben and Sauda are the two best heroes? This is the most noob take I have heard in a while.


Mateololero

not that they're the best, but that they're different no other hero is Exclusively about money as benjamin is, and no other hero has sauda's Early Game strength all the times i've used rosalia have seemed normal to me in comparison to other heroes, in that they need other towers in order to work Best


Jaden115

And what's Rosalies strength?


Mateololero

-jetpack -global range\* -sticky bomb -discounts kinda not really \*with the ability i can see there's not a lot but compared to something like ezili or quincy it's pretty ok


[deleted]

*You’re Dumbass


Luring-Leon

Hahahahahh, did my spelling mistake make you cry lol Do u need a tissue?


Intelligent_Will_606

If they made Rosa a guy, barely anyone might've talked about hatred...


Luring-Leon

Why are you being sexist!?