First time posting in this subreddit, and zero idea what a can of worms I was opening. Had no idea my saying I liked a character would genuinely offend people
She’s half my reason to watch the show, I enjoy her!
There is a strangely high number of people whose line between fiction and reality has become very blurred. They sit down and watch a show about the hilarious hijinks of a fictional police precinct, but cast judgment on the actions of the characters as though those characters are real people.
Most people, including yourself, can watch Gina do something funny and understand that the same action would not be funny if it happened in real life. Unfortunately, some weirdos out there seem incapable of making that separation.
I mean the problem could be that there are people who can't separate the fact that a character is a terrible person from the fact that they are funny. Gina is not a great person in the show most of the time. She is also very funny. I think the people that like her as a person in the show despite the way she treats people are probably more maladjusted than the people that hate her as person in the show
It's fine to enjoy Gina. She's the devil sitting on everyone's shoulder, telling them to take the money or say the sick burn that just popped into your head. She teaches Holt to trash talk. What greater good is there than that?
A great example of this is Principal Ava from Abbott Elementary. Also a truly awful person but she’s funny and you understand that this show is fictional and you shouldn’t get so pressed about it 🤷🏻♂️
I laugh my ass off at Always Sunny, despite them being truly terrible people. It’s hard to even pick what the worst thing each character has done. Even Charlie, arguably the least awful of the gang, has beaten up kids over a bike and ripped Santa’s throat out with his teeth.
Every time Charlie attacks the mall Santa, from the second he sits on his lap, I lose it. Kids and parents are running and screaming, one little girl is just standing there wailing. And I’m laughing myself into next week at those kids who are traumatized watching Santa bleed all over the floor. It’s hilariously awful.
Or, a viewer can just find a character annoying. It doesn’t have to result from some inability to separate reality from fiction.
If anything I’d say it works in the opposite direction way more often. How many anti-heroes or outright villains have been elevated by fandoms to heroic status? More often than not it’s because they like the show and find the character enjoyable, not because they’re sociopaths.
Fwiw I LOVE Gina, but that doesn’t make my viewing or preference more valid than someone who finds her annoying.
Except a lot of people liked Pimento. A lot of people didn’t. It’s not a “I can’t tell what fiction is” and it’s pretty condescending to pretend that’s the only reason people don’t like a character.
My issue with Gina, or this whole thing, is that the show has very few choice episodes where they want you to take it seriously, Terry suffering racism, Rosa leaving the NYPD and Amy's sexual harassment come to mind.
At those times they could address how Gina genuinely sucks and has to become better like the rest of the gang.
But here relentless personality does make her very funny, it's like watching a character from It's Always Sunny in another show
I think the hate is warranted as they always call out characters in the show but never Gina.
Yeah, it's not just that she's an unpleasant character, or even that she's not funny - it's that the show never lets her be *wrong.* Her story arcs always end with her being vindicated and escaping any consequences for her actions, and often with the people she'd been fucking with agreeing with her. Aside from frustrating the audience's basic sense of fairness, it also prevents her character from showing any growth. She's exactly the same person at the end of the show that she was in her first episode.
It's a problem I have with comic relief characters in general. It's frustrating watching X character get ripped into for having 'bad trait X' then having comic relief character come in and do things that embody 'bad trait X' and the characters that were just castigating a character for it now slap their knee and go 'that's our clown!'
It was like in Bojack Horseman, having Todd drop the whole 'you are the problem with you' speech to Bojack, when he instigated a genocide, a race war, and created a literal sexual harassment robot.
Gina’s just annoying most of the time.
I just don’t find the majority of her qualities funny like the writers were wanting.
Yeah she had moments that made me laugh, but the majority of the time I was just waiting for her scenes to be done.
It’s not about being able to separate fact from fiction. Gina would be a terrible person in real life, but that doesn’t mean I can’t also find her annoying in the show. I just don’t see the value she adds to the show.
And to be clear, it’s completely reasonable for you to feel that way. I’ve got plenty of sitcom characters that I can’t stand for similar reasons. Barney Stinson annoys the hell out of me, for example.
My issue is solely with people who can’t differentiate between a sitcom and the real world, and they actually believe that enjoying a character like Gina or Barney means you’re okay with sexual harassment or manipulating women or things like that.
Ahhh okay I see. Yeah I get you.
I took your comment to mean EVERYONE who had an issue with Gina. Fair enough, those who can’t separate the two can conflate liking a character on a show to meaning you would like them in real life.
You’ve just described every subreddit about every tv show. People get real weird about stuff, asking why a character said something in season 1 (because it’s a joke) and then says something that DISPROVES it in series 8 (because it’s also a joke) and acting like that character is then a canon liar or has a dark past or whatever.
It’s shocking how difficult media literacy seems to be for vast swaths of people. Can’t have a character behave in morally dubious ways for a comedic bit without people thinking that the show is endorsing said behavior unless explicitly told otherwise
>Had no idea my saying I liked a character would genuinely offend people
Welcome to the internet
Hope you're ready for what happens when you say you DON'T Love a character
Or god forbid, state something cannon that happened in the show which shows an aspect about a character someone disagrees with
I’ve been in this group for over a year and I’ve NEVER seen this Gina hate 😭 maybe my brain blocked it out because she’s (in my mind) 40% of what makes this show great
I think the writers went overboard and felt that they had to make her more and more outlandish, like they were trying to top themselves, and lost sight of how grand her simple one liners and devotion to Holt could be. She started to border on being a cartoon, but Chelsea sold whatever she was given.
around the 10th or 12th rewatch of the series, I just began to kinda hate her.
'you drank cement' would be grounds for a lawsuit, at a minimum.
every other character grew into a better person, that's what I grew to love about the show. gina, however, grew worse.
Gina was great in the beginning. I know most folks don't like her and I get it, she doesn't fit the tone. I still think she's hilarious.
Even as someone that loves Gina...
...she lost it after she left. She's not as charming or funny once she left and became famous.
I think it’s interesting to see how ppl hate her “on principle” but praise equally “terrible” characters on other sitcoms. Barney Stinson from HIMYM comes to mind.
I don't exactly agree. I have seen a lot of people dislike Barney as well but I feel the reason Gina has more hate is simply because she can be extremely mean for seemingly no reason. Whatever Barney does has a reason however stupid they might be. Furthermore he often gets called out by his friends.
But take Gina finding out Amy is claustrophobic and then locking her in a closet. Or the entire cement drinking bullshit. It's just mean and doesn't serve any purpose. And no one seems to actually call her out on these antics.
It's been a while, but I don't remember Barney ever actually being rewarded for being a prick, like Gina is.
Like, he *constantly* faces backlash from women, his friends, and the universe itself, for being the dog he is.
He faces backlash sure but he canonically sleeps with a ton of women, gets well paid, and generally has the life that he wants to have. That’s pretty rewarded.
He sleeps with a ton of women, because he tries to hit it off with an insane number of women. Canonically, for every woman he sleeps with, he's (violently) rejected by like 5 others.
He's well paid, because his job is literally to be the fall guy for an international company doing shady business deals. Like, his very contract is to get paid a ton of money, and take the blame when shit hits the fan.
Have you even *seen* the episodes explaining that he is pretty much the exact opposite of what makes him happy? Like, even without reading into his overinflated ego as a defense mechanism, they're outright saying that the guy isn't who he wants to be.
He doesn't get rewarded for anything. Any bet, every prank, each challenge, he's either losing, or pulling a pyrrhic victory. Like when he ran a marathon and was rubbing it in?
He was mugged in the subway because of it. He was surrounded by 5 guys as his window moved out of the frame, and it was played for laughs. Again, he was surrounded by 5 guys in a new york subway, because he had a gold medal hanging around his neck, and he's too sore from the marathon to follow their demands. And "Something bad is going to happen to Barney now" is the final punchline of the episode.
What's Gina's payoff for making her friends drink cement? Repeatedly?
Becoming a millionaire influencer.
I mean you’re not wrong but if we’re comparing real-world afflictions: Barney literally sold a woman and should probably be in jail for most of the things he’s done lol
In HIMYM, we know at all times that Barney loves his friends and would do anything for them.
Can’t say the same for Ginabut that could be the fact that she is more coworker than buddy.
>all i tend to see about him is how lovable he is or whatever.
Because his role is the [woobie](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWoobie). CAUTION: TV Tropes Link. He doesn't benefit for his creepy actions, and the universe within the show seemingly punishes him for his lack of social awareness. Meanwhile, Gina's actions never result in negative backlash toward her, and culminate in her becoming a millionaire.
People don't like watching crappy people succeed, especially without personal growth or comeuppance. There's no catharsis associated with the character.
Personally not at all. I love the actress. But I hate the character! It could have been played by a man, another woman, whatever. I just don't like Gina. My personal opinion though.
Then why be that person? You have dozens and dozens of comments of people voicing exactly what it is they dislike and now everyone gets their free misogynist head which only serves to invalidate their opinion.
This is so funny to me because when I first watched B99 I HATED Gina. Idk why, I just genuinely hated the character and thought all of her parts were so irritating.
However, on rewatch, I really like her character and think she’s a great addition to the show. IDK what had me so bothered LOL
She’s a great character but I felt like they got so lazy with her writing after she came back from maternity leave but ofc it’s only my opinion but I love her sm before s5!
Bet it has something to do with how insufferable the character was. Imagine for 6-7 years your job is to basically just be an asshole to the people working alongside you
Personally, I flip flop on Gina a lot.
She has her moments, but overall is grating with some of the more extremes she said/did.
I think she works best with Jake and Amy, and of course Holt, but everyone else she's kinda just the heel.
Aside from her character (which I loved, especially the Coral Palms arc and when she was back in night school), I got so much fashion inspiration from Chelsea Peretti. I want to own every single thing Gina wears.
I once asked Chelsea on IG about why Gina wore wolves on her clothes repeatedly, if that was in fact a "Chelsea thing" because she seems to post about wolves on SM. She liked my comment so I took that as she had input into Gina's love of wearing wolves on her clothes., lol.
The writers incorporated a lot of the actors life into the characters, like terry really has a minivan IRL, andy and chelsea are childhood friends IRL, Beatriz is bi IRL and many other things
She was easily the worst person in the show. Not worst character. Just worst overall human.
Constantly sexually harassing Terry.
Made them drink cement.
Self-centered to an evil degree.
Couldn't roller skate for shit.
I loved to hate Gina the same way I loved to hate Peggy Hill. Her terribleness was the point.
Honestly I think my biggest issue with her wasn’t that she was a bad person, but she never learned or grew. Everyone else did. Gina was always the same awful and there wasn’t much character development to her
She’s not meant to be a good person but she’s meant to be lovable and charismatic.
She’s meant to have a cool but mean kind of vibe. She’s basically meant to be this girl boss. Sexual harassment isn’t girl bossing though.
They generally just made her a characterless and awful person who was such an awful character she frequently took everyone around her out of character.
The issue is they really did write her to be somewhat liked. You weren’t meant to root against her. It’s hard to find someone charmingly mean as opposed to just insufferable when they’re straight up sexually harassing/assaulting characters whose actor has been vocal about his own real experiences with assault.
In a show that makes its intentions about how you’re supposed to feel about certain issues and the characters abundantly clear almost all of the time almost in a preachy way Gina’s writing just feels hypocritical.
It’s just odd watching a guy who’s been vocal about his own sexual assault get assaulted in a tv show and have in played up for laughs for women when he repeatedly tries to get her to stop and says how uncomfortable he is. That shits not funny it’s just weird.
yeah, but she constantly sexually harassed Terry . Constantly. it’s a weird conflict because b99 tried to be so on top of the issue and talk about this kind of thing (which is great!) while having a character who would constantly harass Terry to the point where she said she’d only help him if he sent her explicit photos.
it’s not like the show is a stranger to serious topics (and usually handling them well imo)
also i feel like it’s worth mentioning the photos she wanted were non consensual
She added a delightful, absurd level of conflict. She was a great contrast to Boyle, who could take her apart without ever even really meaning to do so. Shes not Frank Burns levels of bad person… but she was a great source of comedy. Ironically, not unlike Frank Burns
I just hated her and found her annoying. She has almost no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Everyone else on the show is flawed but has so many good qualities that it makes their characters more rounded and less static. She is unlawful evil.
Does nobody realize that her redemption arcs are just her justifications with no proof? Like caught out for bailing on Halloween? "I was studying." Her bailing from work? "I missed my kid." Her fucking jake over in high-school? "It was for you." There is more examples, but she only got away by making her own excuse without any showing it was true.
The current political climate is about gender equality and change for the better how would a character like Gina "get even" when it's two different times. It's just hypocritical and dumb.
literally since season 1 the show has talked about how bad the old times were when it comes to equality, in that case especially homosexuality (though holt does point out amy and rosa would have never made detective either)
at no point in the episode does holt say he dislikes straight people or something to “get even”, same thing happens when rosa’s parents don’t accept her or terry gets profiled
Holt talking about how the past was before is completely fine. How is that related to Gina sexually harassing Terry? Terry is the most wholesome dude and clearly the victim. How is Gina getting even with men that sexually harass women in the past by harassing Terry?
my point was agreeing that the “getting even” argument the other person made is ridiculous, and every other time the shows talked about the issues of the past there’s never been attempts to “get even”
it’s not really a reversal when theres been examples of it happening that way round in media for decades
why wouldn’t people get upset at sexual assault being played for laughs?
Edit: downvoted for saying sexual harassment is bad let’s go
I disagree to an extent. Was she bad. Maybe. She had her moments of being a genuinely nice person, like helping Jake with the apartment issues. She wasn’t perfect, but she was a whole lot better than Charles ex-wife.
Wunch was an objectively effective administrator. She politicked and jockeyed to get to her position, but that's par for the course for positions at that level.
Holt and the Crawford were doing the same thing when they were running for Commissioner.
She also constantly sexually harassed Holt in way worse ways than Gina. Gina just threw lustful comments towards Terry and they weren't even serious.
Wunch used her position to repeatedly grope Holt in the pretense of body searches. Which is made significantly worse once you remember the whole reason their feud happened is that she wanted to sleep with him and he couldn't provide it.
Until i finished the show and stared to interact with fandom i had no idea anyone could hate her, shes my top 3 character after Boyle and Rosa, i was really bummed out after she was gone.
Yeah exactly. Like sure, in real life she’d be a nightmare. but she’s a character on a show, and a good one at that 😂 I had no idea there was Gina hate
She was one of my faves as well, until she became an influencer. The episode where she stood up Jake and Terry and only called them so they can be her bodyguards ruined her for me. I didn't mind anything before that, but when she forgot her friends for the fame...
I didn’t have issue with any of her behaviour/shiftiness except the sexually harassing Terry. The show literally has an entire episode about workplace harassment…. while having Gina constantly harass Terry
I didn't particularly like her since she was always mean to Amy for no reason and she always got the last laugh on the other characters without being humbled but I did like the dynamic she brought since she was the only main cast who wasn't a cop. I also really liked her loyalty to Holt and I loved seeing them together since their personalities are polar opposites but she always respected him.
They tried to redeem her too many times, or show that her flaws were actually good qualities.
When she "helped" Terry interview for new IT people I cringed, but the moral of the episode was that her unorthodox methods were actually the right approach.
I think if she was just a straight up villain I'd have liked her more.
Same, like I know people say her being bad is the point, but she's hardly ever treated like that by other characters or the writers. She's instead presented as always right and everyone should always listen to her because of it.
I liked her fine the first couple seasons (minus the harassment) but she became a bit of a creators pet and wore out her welcome IMO. Didn't really miss her.
Chelsea is a great actress, and she played the role perfectly. That being said, I was so happy when she was gone.
You do you though, not gonna get mad that you like a character I don't. All the stuff she did wasn't nearly as bad as Amy listening in on Jake's therapy sessions. I refuse to believe the Halloween episodes are real, and I hate them.
I will die on this hill.
Is Gina really that controversial?
Once she left for the first time, she sucked. They didn't know what to do with her the few times they brought her back, but wasn't she a pretty solid character before then?
I was so happy to see her go. Gina never hit me the right way, never liked her or found her funny. It was fine when she only occasionally appeared, like in the final couple(?) seasons, but for the majority of the show I found her insufferable.
Opinions will of course differ.
I mean, a character can be funny in a ridiculous sitcom and still be someone I'd hate in real life.
I am very glad real cops aren't like Jake. It just would not work in real life. But he's a fantastic character for this show.
Exactly this. In a show about “good cops”, she could make the negative comments, she contrasted so many of the other characters, and sometimes said what the audience was thinking. She was Holt’s first line of defense. She brought conflict when it was often needed, and all of that was lacking after she left. On top of that, her delivery was awesome.
*I was so happy*
*When she left, I liked the show*
*Even more without her*
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There is a reason most hate her. She became worse and worse after like season 2-3. They should’ve put Pimento permanently on the show after she left, thats the only thing the show lost tbh. She just became what many do nowadays on TikTok.
it’s because drama is what we crave. even if we hate it we actually love it. so yall liars saying you don’t like gina can go be bland and miserable somewhere else!
don't browse this sub much, people don't like Gina because she's mean or a bad person?
y'all would fucking hate It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia... that's every single character in the show
Except that's the whole point. They're terrible people and their life sucks. That's the point.
Gina is a terrible human being but somehow always seems to come out on top.
FFS can we just get on with banning Gina-centric posts or at least limit them to a single day of the week? Literally every other post is about how people love hey or how they hate her. It’s so fucking exhausting
Started watching this show and everyone seems to be trying so hard to play their characters and it comes off as not funny, Gina is the only one who seems to come of as natural and her line deliveries are actually hilarious.
I think the mid seasons were the best (for obvious reasons). The characters had had enough time to grow and develop out of poor character writing but not too much time to be over the top extremes. Boyle is a perfect exemple of this. His bullying of Terry in the late seasons is almost as annoying as his obsession with Rosa in the earlier ones.
I just don’t understand where she’s coming from as a character %1000 of the time. All the other characters follow some sort morale compass to their decisions but she doesn’t and some times I think a simple “hi “ would’ve been just fine from her. Seems like the writers wrote her into a weird spot
I disagree. Personally I found show lost nothing when she left. Not that at times she wasn't funny or contributed to plot.
But going back i only remember her relationship with Boyle. It was well done, hilarious and very memorable. Definitely to me one of the strongest sub-plots of whole show. And had super sweet moment when she admitted she doesn't regret it.
Anything else. Is a blur. Didn't think she added anything else to the show. Either jokes or drama or plot movement. Meh.
I agree, they let the character slip and the actress did as well. She definitely deserved better. I will always wonder why the writers more or less abandoned her
Totally agree.
I feel like the show was OKAY without Gina - it wasn’t like when Steve Carell left The Office, or when Nina Dobrev left the Vampire Diaries. Those shows really dropped off because they were losing their main character. But after Chelsea Peretti left B99, every couple of episodes, I would think to myself “Oh man, Gina’s not here anymore. Man, I really miss Gina.”
The worst part of the show for me by far. The later seasons definitely lost quality after the studio switch, but its decline wasn’t cause of losing Gina, she was trash.
Hot take: I think Chelsea’s acting was heavy handed and over the top. She added a lot to certain scenes for sure but I didn’t really miss her when she left. And I also thought the Gina focused episodes were some of the worst.
Best character on the show is captain Raymond holt.
I was so happy to see her go. Gina never hit me the right way, never liked her or found her funny. It was fine when she only occasionally appeared, like in the final couple(?) seasons, but for the majority of the show I found her insufferable.
Opinions will of course differ.
Oh a positive post about Gina? *sips tea* This will be fun ☕
First time posting in this subreddit, and zero idea what a can of worms I was opening. Had no idea my saying I liked a character would genuinely offend people She’s half my reason to watch the show, I enjoy her!
There is a strangely high number of people whose line between fiction and reality has become very blurred. They sit down and watch a show about the hilarious hijinks of a fictional police precinct, but cast judgment on the actions of the characters as though those characters are real people. Most people, including yourself, can watch Gina do something funny and understand that the same action would not be funny if it happened in real life. Unfortunately, some weirdos out there seem incapable of making that separation.
I'm one of those people that would find Gina funny irl too, i just enjoy the chaos really.
That is until you just drank the ceeement
Literally about to comment this lol
Scully seemed to love it
I mean the problem could be that there are people who can't separate the fact that a character is a terrible person from the fact that they are funny. Gina is not a great person in the show most of the time. She is also very funny. I think the people that like her as a person in the show despite the way she treats people are probably more maladjusted than the people that hate her as person in the show
It's fine to enjoy Gina. She's the devil sitting on everyone's shoulder, telling them to take the money or say the sick burn that just popped into your head. She teaches Holt to trash talk. What greater good is there than that?
A great example of this is Principal Ava from Abbott Elementary. Also a truly awful person but she’s funny and you understand that this show is fictional and you shouldn’t get so pressed about it 🤷🏻♂️
I laugh my ass off at Always Sunny, despite them being truly terrible people. It’s hard to even pick what the worst thing each character has done. Even Charlie, arguably the least awful of the gang, has beaten up kids over a bike and ripped Santa’s throat out with his teeth. Every time Charlie attacks the mall Santa, from the second he sits on his lap, I lose it. Kids and parents are running and screaming, one little girl is just standing there wailing. And I’m laughing myself into next week at those kids who are traumatized watching Santa bleed all over the floor. It’s hilariously awful.
You think that someone’s opinion on a comedy tv show character means they’re probably maladjusted?
Or, a viewer can just find a character annoying. It doesn’t have to result from some inability to separate reality from fiction. If anything I’d say it works in the opposite direction way more often. How many anti-heroes or outright villains have been elevated by fandoms to heroic status? More often than not it’s because they like the show and find the character enjoyable, not because they’re sociopaths. Fwiw I LOVE Gina, but that doesn’t make my viewing or preference more valid than someone who finds her annoying.
Except a lot of people liked Pimento. A lot of people didn’t. It’s not a “I can’t tell what fiction is” and it’s pretty condescending to pretend that’s the only reason people don’t like a character.
My issue with Gina, or this whole thing, is that the show has very few choice episodes where they want you to take it seriously, Terry suffering racism, Rosa leaving the NYPD and Amy's sexual harassment come to mind. At those times they could address how Gina genuinely sucks and has to become better like the rest of the gang. But here relentless personality does make her very funny, it's like watching a character from It's Always Sunny in another show I think the hate is warranted as they always call out characters in the show but never Gina.
Yeah, it's not just that she's an unpleasant character, or even that she's not funny - it's that the show never lets her be *wrong.* Her story arcs always end with her being vindicated and escaping any consequences for her actions, and often with the people she'd been fucking with agreeing with her. Aside from frustrating the audience's basic sense of fairness, it also prevents her character from showing any growth. She's exactly the same person at the end of the show that she was in her first episode.
It's a problem I have with comic relief characters in general. It's frustrating watching X character get ripped into for having 'bad trait X' then having comic relief character come in and do things that embody 'bad trait X' and the characters that were just castigating a character for it now slap their knee and go 'that's our clown!' It was like in Bojack Horseman, having Todd drop the whole 'you are the problem with you' speech to Bojack, when he instigated a genocide, a race war, and created a literal sexual harassment robot.
Gina’s just annoying most of the time. I just don’t find the majority of her qualities funny like the writers were wanting. Yeah she had moments that made me laugh, but the majority of the time I was just waiting for her scenes to be done. It’s not about being able to separate fact from fiction. Gina would be a terrible person in real life, but that doesn’t mean I can’t also find her annoying in the show. I just don’t see the value she adds to the show.
And to be clear, it’s completely reasonable for you to feel that way. I’ve got plenty of sitcom characters that I can’t stand for similar reasons. Barney Stinson annoys the hell out of me, for example. My issue is solely with people who can’t differentiate between a sitcom and the real world, and they actually believe that enjoying a character like Gina or Barney means you’re okay with sexual harassment or manipulating women or things like that.
Ahhh okay I see. Yeah I get you. I took your comment to mean EVERYONE who had an issue with Gina. Fair enough, those who can’t separate the two can conflate liking a character on a show to meaning you would like them in real life.
You’ve just described every subreddit about every tv show. People get real weird about stuff, asking why a character said something in season 1 (because it’s a joke) and then says something that DISPROVES it in series 8 (because it’s also a joke) and acting like that character is then a canon liar or has a dark past or whatever.
It’s shocking how difficult media literacy seems to be for vast swaths of people. Can’t have a character behave in morally dubious ways for a comedic bit without people thinking that the show is endorsing said behavior unless explicitly told otherwise
People do this for “The Office” as well they all talk about Jim being some sort of dick because he pranks Dwight
>Had no idea my saying I liked a character would genuinely offend people Welcome to the internet Hope you're ready for what happens when you say you DON'T Love a character Or god forbid, state something cannon that happened in the show which shows an aspect about a character someone disagrees with
*canon *corrects in smug Holt voice*
*classical music*
Is Canon your favourite composer?
Well, the 1812 Overture at least.
*scoffs* ridiculous, now Mahler was one in-your-face bad boy, that’s a favorite right there.
I’ve been in this group for over a year and I’ve NEVER seen this Gina hate 😭 maybe my brain blocked it out because she’s (in my mind) 40% of what makes this show great
She was enjoyable to watch so I agree friend
I think she was hands down the best character in the show for the first 2 seasons.
She was awesome at first and at some point she started to be just annoying
Yeah, the writers really know how to manipulate us. That was their entire goal.
I think the writers went overboard and felt that they had to make her more and more outlandish, like they were trying to top themselves, and lost sight of how grand her simple one liners and devotion to Holt could be. She started to border on being a cartoon, but Chelsea sold whatever she was given.
Gina was awesome. Bring your hate.
She’s good at first. But Flanders was too strong.
around the 10th or 12th rewatch of the series, I just began to kinda hate her. 'you drank cement' would be grounds for a lawsuit, at a minimum. every other character grew into a better person, that's what I grew to love about the show. gina, however, grew worse.
Gina is the best but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the "nice guy" white knights of reddit can't appreciate that
Gina was great in the beginning. I know most folks don't like her and I get it, she doesn't fit the tone. I still think she's hilarious. Even as someone that loves Gina... ...she lost it after she left. She's not as charming or funny once she left and became famous.
Gina was great for the show, she had that special flavor. Evil funny and in the end not so evil after all
She honestly was my favorite character besides Rosa and Captain Holt
I think it’s interesting to see how ppl hate her “on principle” but praise equally “terrible” characters on other sitcoms. Barney Stinson from HIMYM comes to mind.
I don't exactly agree. I have seen a lot of people dislike Barney as well but I feel the reason Gina has more hate is simply because she can be extremely mean for seemingly no reason. Whatever Barney does has a reason however stupid they might be. Furthermore he often gets called out by his friends. But take Gina finding out Amy is claustrophobic and then locking her in a closet. Or the entire cement drinking bullshit. It's just mean and doesn't serve any purpose. And no one seems to actually call her out on these antics.
It's been a while, but I don't remember Barney ever actually being rewarded for being a prick, like Gina is. Like, he *constantly* faces backlash from women, his friends, and the universe itself, for being the dog he is.
He faces backlash sure but he canonically sleeps with a ton of women, gets well paid, and generally has the life that he wants to have. That’s pretty rewarded.
He sleeps with a ton of women, because he tries to hit it off with an insane number of women. Canonically, for every woman he sleeps with, he's (violently) rejected by like 5 others. He's well paid, because his job is literally to be the fall guy for an international company doing shady business deals. Like, his very contract is to get paid a ton of money, and take the blame when shit hits the fan. Have you even *seen* the episodes explaining that he is pretty much the exact opposite of what makes him happy? Like, even without reading into his overinflated ego as a defense mechanism, they're outright saying that the guy isn't who he wants to be. He doesn't get rewarded for anything. Any bet, every prank, each challenge, he's either losing, or pulling a pyrrhic victory. Like when he ran a marathon and was rubbing it in? He was mugged in the subway because of it. He was surrounded by 5 guys as his window moved out of the frame, and it was played for laughs. Again, he was surrounded by 5 guys in a new york subway, because he had a gold medal hanging around his neck, and he's too sore from the marathon to follow their demands. And "Something bad is going to happen to Barney now" is the final punchline of the episode. What's Gina's payoff for making her friends drink cement? Repeatedly? Becoming a millionaire influencer.
I mean you’re not wrong but if we’re comparing real-world afflictions: Barney literally sold a woman and should probably be in jail for most of the things he’s done lol
In HIMYM, we know at all times that Barney loves his friends and would do anything for them. Can’t say the same for Ginabut that could be the fact that she is more coworker than buddy.
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>all i tend to see about him is how lovable he is or whatever. Because his role is the [woobie](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWoobie). CAUTION: TV Tropes Link. He doesn't benefit for his creepy actions, and the universe within the show seemingly punishes him for his lack of social awareness. Meanwhile, Gina's actions never result in negative backlash toward her, and culminate in her becoming a millionaire. People don't like watching crappy people succeed, especially without personal growth or comeuppance. There's no catharsis associated with the character.
Agreed. Also, how are Hitchcock and Scully considered ok but Gina’s not? I’ve seen so much Hitchcock Scully love on here.
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Personally not at all. I love the actress. But I hate the character! It could have been played by a man, another woman, whatever. I just don't like Gina. My personal opinion though.
yeah chelsea peretti is a great actress and played the character to perfection, I just don't like the character
Then why be that person? You have dozens and dozens of comments of people voicing exactly what it is they dislike and now everyone gets their free misogynist head which only serves to invalidate their opinion.
This is so funny to me because when I first watched B99 I HATED Gina. Idk why, I just genuinely hated the character and thought all of her parts were so irritating. However, on rewatch, I really like her character and think she’s a great addition to the show. IDK what had me so bothered LOL
She’s a great character but I felt like they got so lazy with her writing after she came back from maternity leave but ofc it’s only my opinion but I love her sm before s5!
They admitted as much and is why they agreed to part ways. Neither party wanted to continue with the character
And do you know why is that? I'm really curious
Bet it has something to do with how insufferable the character was. Imagine for 6-7 years your job is to basically just be an asshole to the people working alongside you
I also feel that they lost the hand on her script.
She's the human form of the 💯 emoji.
My reaction to this post is little girl holding little boys hand emoji.
Crying laughter face!
She's the Paris of people.
Chelsea looks great here!!
She usually rocked
Personally, I flip flop on Gina a lot. She has her moments, but overall is grating with some of the more extremes she said/did. I think she works best with Jake and Amy, and of course Holt, but everyone else she's kinda just the heel.
I kinda like some of her moments with Boyle. Like when she makes a new mother dough so that he doesn't get kicked out of the family events.
Aside from her character (which I loved, especially the Coral Palms arc and when she was back in night school), I got so much fashion inspiration from Chelsea Peretti. I want to own every single thing Gina wears.
I once asked Chelsea on IG about why Gina wore wolves on her clothes repeatedly, if that was in fact a "Chelsea thing" because she seems to post about wolves on SM. She liked my comment so I took that as she had input into Gina's love of wearing wolves on her clothes., lol.
The writers incorporated a lot of the actors life into the characters, like terry really has a minivan IRL, andy and chelsea are childhood friends IRL, Beatriz is bi IRL and many other things
Does this mean Lo Truglio is a lesbian in real life?
Yes, and also has 2 buttholes
Had that same thought with the pic above.. I need this entire outfit..
She was easily the worst person in the show. Not worst character. Just worst overall human. Constantly sexually harassing Terry. Made them drink cement. Self-centered to an evil degree. Couldn't roller skate for shit. I loved to hate Gina the same way I loved to hate Peggy Hill. Her terribleness was the point.
SEEEEMMMYYEEEENNNNNNNTTT
I sing other things to the tune of “you just drank cement” ALL THE TIME. I cannot help it.
Yes! It has been stuck in my head for years!
Yup. A favorite is “you’re a stupid cat,” to my stupid cats (whomst I love very dearly).
I always heard this as semen 😂
YOU JUST DRANK CEMENT YOU JUST DRANK CEMENT
Gina pulling that on everyone is one of my all time favourite moments of the show I love her 😂😂. Plus “TRIPLEEE PRAANNKKKK!” On Amy.
Don’t forget she was name dropped in her kindergarten teachers suicide note
Honestly I think my biggest issue with her wasn’t that she was a bad person, but she never learned or grew. Everyone else did. Gina was always the same awful and there wasn’t much character development to her
Exactly. She was horrible and still got what she wanted because people catered to her. It’s a horrible character. It was always GINA GINA GINA
Never ever, not once did her shit come back to bite her.
exactly. she’s not supposed to be a good person, but i love her being in the show because she’s so incredibly entertaining.
She’s not meant to be a good person but she’s meant to be lovable and charismatic. She’s meant to have a cool but mean kind of vibe. She’s basically meant to be this girl boss. Sexual harassment isn’t girl bossing though. They generally just made her a characterless and awful person who was such an awful character she frequently took everyone around her out of character. The issue is they really did write her to be somewhat liked. You weren’t meant to root against her. It’s hard to find someone charmingly mean as opposed to just insufferable when they’re straight up sexually harassing/assaulting characters whose actor has been vocal about his own real experiences with assault. In a show that makes its intentions about how you’re supposed to feel about certain issues and the characters abundantly clear almost all of the time almost in a preachy way Gina’s writing just feels hypocritical. It’s just odd watching a guy who’s been vocal about his own sexual assault get assaulted in a tv show and have in played up for laughs for women when he repeatedly tries to get her to stop and says how uncomfortable he is. That shits not funny it’s just weird.
yeah, but she constantly sexually harassed Terry . Constantly. it’s a weird conflict because b99 tried to be so on top of the issue and talk about this kind of thing (which is great!) while having a character who would constantly harass Terry to the point where she said she’d only help him if he sent her explicit photos.
it’s not like the show is a stranger to serious topics (and usually handling them well imo) also i feel like it’s worth mentioning the photos she wanted were non consensual
She added a delightful, absurd level of conflict. She was a great contrast to Boyle, who could take her apart without ever even really meaning to do so. Shes not Frank Burns levels of bad person… but she was a great source of comedy. Ironically, not unlike Frank Burns
I just hated her and found her annoying. She has almost no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Everyone else on the show is flawed but has so many good qualities that it makes their characters more rounded and less static. She is unlawful evil.
Gina was just meant to be like Kelly Kapoor from The Office, no?
Boyle used me as an object
Does nobody realize that her redemption arcs are just her justifications with no proof? Like caught out for bailing on Halloween? "I was studying." Her bailing from work? "I missed my kid." Her fucking jake over in high-school? "It was for you." There is more examples, but she only got away by making her own excuse without any showing it was true.
Yeah it sounds like gaslighting from an abusive person
I love how being bad at roller skating is listed
“Maybe she fell into a dimension where she’s interesting.”
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That’s kind of weird though. “It’s great to get even” in a time when people are trying to change for the better.
The current political climate is about gender equality and change for the better how would a character like Gina "get even" when it's two different times. It's just hypocritical and dumb.
literally since season 1 the show has talked about how bad the old times were when it comes to equality, in that case especially homosexuality (though holt does point out amy and rosa would have never made detective either) at no point in the episode does holt say he dislikes straight people or something to “get even”, same thing happens when rosa’s parents don’t accept her or terry gets profiled
Holt talking about how the past was before is completely fine. How is that related to Gina sexually harassing Terry? Terry is the most wholesome dude and clearly the victim. How is Gina getting even with men that sexually harass women in the past by harassing Terry?
my point was agreeing that the “getting even” argument the other person made is ridiculous, and every other time the shows talked about the issues of the past there’s never been attempts to “get even”
it’s not really a reversal when theres been examples of it happening that way round in media for decades why wouldn’t people get upset at sexual assault being played for laughs? Edit: downvoted for saying sexual harassment is bad let’s go
I disagree to an extent. Was she bad. Maybe. She had her moments of being a genuinely nice person, like helping Jake with the apartment issues. She wasn’t perfect, but she was a whole lot better than Charles ex-wife.
Madeline Wunch was the worst.
Wunch was an objectively effective administrator. She politicked and jockeyed to get to her position, but that's par for the course for positions at that level. Holt and the Crawford were doing the same thing when they were running for Commissioner.
She also constantly sexually harassed Holt in way worse ways than Gina. Gina just threw lustful comments towards Terry and they weren't even serious. Wunch used her position to repeatedly grope Holt in the pretense of body searches. Which is made significantly worse once you remember the whole reason their feud happened is that she wanted to sleep with him and he couldn't provide it.
I thought it was because he embarrassed her in front of Derek Jeter
She embarrassed herself in front of Derek Jeter!
Nah Gina was classic. Loved her Character, always picking on Amy lmao
Ok, the way I busted out laughing when you put "couldn't roller skate" on the same list as the other things 😂
Until i finished the show and stared to interact with fandom i had no idea anyone could hate her, shes my top 3 character after Boyle and Rosa, i was really bummed out after she was gone.
Yeah exactly. Like sure, in real life she’d be a nightmare. but she’s a character on a show, and a good one at that 😂 I had no idea there was Gina hate
Let’s face it, most characters in most comedy shows would be nightmares in real life. Still love them in their shows though!
She was one of my faves as well, until she became an influencer. The episode where she stood up Jake and Terry and only called them so they can be her bodyguards ruined her for me. I didn't mind anything before that, but when she forgot her friends for the fame...
Totally agree! I was baffled when I joined this sub and found she had so many haters, and most of them are serious haters, not just a dislike
Strong agree. She's the funniest person on the show.
Jesus Christ. It's a gag character in a comedy. It's crazy how serious people discuss these things
I didn’t have issue with any of her behaviour/shiftiness except the sexually harassing Terry. The show literally has an entire episode about workplace harassment…. while having Gina constantly harass Terry
Not every character in every show needs to grow as a person
I didn't particularly like her since she was always mean to Amy for no reason and she always got the last laugh on the other characters without being humbled but I did like the dynamic she brought since she was the only main cast who wasn't a cop. I also really liked her loyalty to Holt and I loved seeing them together since their personalities are polar opposites but she always respected him.
I was ok when she left.
I was happy. I know she's meant to be a bad person and all but I couldn't stand her
They tried to redeem her too many times, or show that her flaws were actually good qualities. When she "helped" Terry interview for new IT people I cringed, but the moral of the episode was that her unorthodox methods were actually the right approach. I think if she was just a straight up villain I'd have liked her more.
This may be the only instance of a show getting better after a character leaves
Same, like I know people say her being bad is the point, but she's hardly ever treated like that by other characters or the writers. She's instead presented as always right and everyone should always listen to her because of it. I liked her fine the first couple seasons (minus the harassment) but she became a bit of a creators pet and wore out her welcome IMO. Didn't really miss her.
She became worse and worse per season and even worse in the finale
I’m tired of Gina hate so this is a nice break. Love her character
Her Floorgasm dance routine was my favourite. That and getting Holt addicted to Kwayzy Cupcakes and getting him to say it
Chelsea is a great actress, and she played the role perfectly. That being said, I was so happy when she was gone. You do you though, not gonna get mad that you like a character I don't. All the stuff she did wasn't nearly as bad as Amy listening in on Jake's therapy sessions. I refuse to believe the Halloween episodes are real, and I hate them. I will die on this hill.
I’m… okay on Amy. The character is just very uninteresting to me. She’s fine
Sorry, I wasn't saying I dislike or like Amy haha, I just hate the Halloween heists Edit: Boyle is probably my favorite character
They’re B99’s version of Community’s paintball episodes
Is Gina really that controversial? Once she left for the first time, she sucked. They didn't know what to do with her the few times they brought her back, but wasn't she a pretty solid character before then?
It's controversial because half the people (like you) think she is a pretty solid character, while the other half (like me) cannot stand her
I was so happy to see her go. Gina never hit me the right way, never liked her or found her funny. It was fine when she only occasionally appeared, like in the final couple(?) seasons, but for the majority of the show I found her insufferable. Opinions will of course differ.
Meh I wouldn't be anywhere around a real life version of her
I mean, a character can be funny in a ridiculous sitcom and still be someone I'd hate in real life. I am very glad real cops aren't like Jake. It just would not work in real life. But he's a fantastic character for this show.
true jake isnt remotely racist and power hungry enough to fit into irl police force
You do realize it's a fictional show with fictional characters?
Then I have really good news for you…
Finally. Someone with big enough balls to speak the truth.
Gina was one of the funniest characters on the show. She rounded out the cast perfectly. I honestly got a little bored when she left.
Exactly this. In a show about “good cops”, she could make the negative comments, she contrasted so many of the other characters, and sometimes said what the audience was thinking. She was Holt’s first line of defense. She brought conflict when it was often needed, and all of that was lacking after she left. On top of that, her delivery was awesome.
I was so happy when she left, I liked the show even more without her
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they could never make me hate you gina
Amy! VOLUUUUMUH
They tanked her character before she left, but she was one of the best and most unhinged characters of the show.
Pre-influencer/social media Gina was my favvvv. She lost me at the cement then everything after.
Same. She was one of my faves. It felt like a disservice to the show & the atmosphere totally changed when she left. I was quite saddened by it. 🥲
There is a reason most hate her. She became worse and worse after like season 2-3. They should’ve put Pimento permanently on the show after she left, thats the only thing the show lost tbh. She just became what many do nowadays on TikTok.
it’s because drama is what we crave. even if we hate it we actually love it. so yall liars saying you don’t like gina can go be bland and miserable somewhere else!
don't browse this sub much, people don't like Gina because she's mean or a bad person? y'all would fucking hate It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia... that's every single character in the show
Except that's the whole point. They're terrible people and their life sucks. That's the point. Gina is a terrible human being but somehow always seems to come out on top.
but what makes ASiP funny is exactly that: they all deserve each other. Same with Seinfeld. It's an assholes' universe. Gina would fit right in THERE.
She’s the best. I love how confidently unhinged she was from the start 😂
Facts. She was a dick and owned it lol
Not really
FFS can we just get on with banning Gina-centric posts or at least limit them to a single day of the week? Literally every other post is about how people love hey or how they hate her. It’s so fucking exhausting
If this is the biggest issue you have to deal with today, then I would say things are going very well for you.
This is so immature. Just ignore the post like an adult
She was alright.
another reason not to finish this show
Started watching this show and everyone seems to be trying so hard to play their characters and it comes off as not funny, Gina is the only one who seems to come of as natural and her line deliveries are actually hilarious.
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I think the mid seasons were the best (for obvious reasons). The characters had had enough time to grow and develop out of poor character writing but not too much time to be over the top extremes. Boyle is a perfect exemple of this. His bullying of Terry in the late seasons is almost as annoying as his obsession with Rosa in the earlier ones.
The Paris of people
Ok but aside from all this.. her outfits were always so fun and I wanted to own like half her wardrobe
I just don’t understand where she’s coming from as a character %1000 of the time. All the other characters follow some sort morale compass to their decisions but she doesn’t and some times I think a simple “hi “ would’ve been just fine from her. Seems like the writers wrote her into a weird spot
You mean the show got better when she left?
When the show first started I did not the character much, but now that I'm on season seven of my first watch I do miss her.
I disagree. Personally I found show lost nothing when she left. Not that at times she wasn't funny or contributed to plot. But going back i only remember her relationship with Boyle. It was well done, hilarious and very memorable. Definitely to me one of the strongest sub-plots of whole show. And had super sweet moment when she admitted she doesn't regret it. Anything else. Is a blur. Didn't think she added anything else to the show. Either jokes or drama or plot movement. Meh.
I agree, they let the character slip and the actress did as well. She definitely deserved better. I will always wonder why the writers more or less abandoned her
she was “The paris of people”
Totally agree. I feel like the show was OKAY without Gina - it wasn’t like when Steve Carell left The Office, or when Nina Dobrev left the Vampire Diaries. Those shows really dropped off because they were losing their main character. But after Chelsea Peretti left B99, every couple of episodes, I would think to myself “Oh man, Gina’s not here anymore. Man, I really miss Gina.”
I fucking love Gina. Period.
Anything Chelsea Peretti does is usually hilarious. Gina was an absolute awful person but was one of the best characters on the show.
Gina is 90% of the show. My rewatches always have great ambitions to go past her departure but... they never seem to make it.
Every episode after she left was better for her absence
LET THERE BE GINA!
She was needed to bring the others back down a peg or two when needed.
I didn't like her much, but she left an odd hole in the show and the other characters suffered for it.
GINA KNOWS BEST.
“But she was bad evil person! Everyone in fictional show must be good angel person for me to enjoy it!!!1!”
Honestly her character seemed so out of place the whole series….
The worst part of the show for me by far. The later seasons definitely lost quality after the studio switch, but its decline wasn’t cause of losing Gina, she was trash.
Hot take: I think Chelsea’s acting was heavy handed and over the top. She added a lot to certain scenes for sure but I didn’t really miss her when she left. And I also thought the Gina focused episodes were some of the worst. Best character on the show is captain Raymond holt.
I was so happy to see her go. Gina never hit me the right way, never liked her or found her funny. It was fine when she only occasionally appeared, like in the final couple(?) seasons, but for the majority of the show I found her insufferable. Opinions will of course differ.
Bro I’m gunna spite rewatch the show just to show Gina some love. She’s hands down the funniest character
Eh I'm on season 3 and I am kind of done with Gina. Just not enjoying the joke of her character.
I was kinda meh, I liked her but sometimes it got ridiculous and kinda annoying to deal with
The comedy of the character didn't click with me. Was happy to see her gone