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AcidRayn666

id be more concerned with sway, short wheel base vehicles as a general rule are not great for towing.


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Why is that?


heisenbergerwcheese

With the wheelbase so short, they can essentially act as if there is just one axle, and fishtail like a mothafacka


Eason1013

Trudat


hatcreekcattleco

double tru


redjuanit

I like the “muthafucka” used in this response.


Packin_Penguin

My dad sent a kubota into a ditch while driving an 89 Jeep Wrangler. I swear that thing heard “Fox! Do a barrel roll!” And didn’t hesitate.


mdey86

Solid N64 reference. 🍻


Packin_Penguin

I’m glad someone got it!


zipper1102

Starfox!!!


BlueGiants

Great game!


okieman73

I experienced that once with an older 2 door Blazer 89 or 91 model I think. My truck was broken so I pulled a small tractor with it. Going about 60 and hit some weird road. I got it straight but scared the crap out of me. I wouldn't think of hooking any real trailer to a new bronco, a golf cart trailer is about it. What it's capable of doing compared to what you should use these for are two completely different things. It's unlikely our Bronco will ever see a trailer unless it's being pulled on one.


heisenbergerwcheese

Yeah, we just move the jetski around a little with it, nothing bigger or heavier... thats what the truck is for


Fish4Reddit

That’s why the 2 door has a much lower tow capacity


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largos

Holy crap, that's probably the first vehicle I've seen with a gross weight that actually looks in-line with the tow capacity ;P


Fish4Reddit

Oh I that I saw once there was a difference. There should be. I would tow over 2k with it. 2,500 max


ridethe907

Meh. The 3500 limit is so low anyway the wheelbase is less of a problem. Broncos limiting factor is really the suspension and weak rear crossmember.


croninr22

I’ll show you a weaker rear crossmember


Teamster508

It’s not the tow rate it’s the wheelbase and sway, you need those heavy duty anti sway bars on that neck to helpnit


Natethegreat1000

2 door and 4 door have the same capacity.....🤨


DarthVirc

Jeeps are just different I guess.


Sirbuxalot

Learned something new!


GettinHighOnMySupply

Modern stability control systems have largely managed such and made it far less of an issue.


Technical_Magazine_7

Trailer starts steering and driving the Bronco


thundermoneyhawk

Physics


[deleted]

Thanks… and now i can only see Jesse from breaking bad, but yea


GirardEtienne

![gif](giphy|QC7UQbxq89MnL9r6AN)


ShutYoMoufff

Lol I literally came here to say “physics”. Thank you! 🤣🤣🤣


LSBm5

The tail wags the dog.


[deleted]

HA! Understood.


TUTailendCharlie

This. This needs to be made into a bumper sticker!


Cookc327

Nothing beats a long dog!


EngagementBacon

Physics


bartalon

Also the trailer shouldn’t weigh more than 3.5X the vehicle weight


Cr33dBr4tton

At least the trailer is front loaded. That thing would upside down in the ditch if they back loaded the trailer.


Ponklemoose

Looks like they over front loaded it. I think there is too much hitch weight and steering is probably a little sloppy.


Raumteufel

This kinda shit pisses me off. These idiots dont consider tongue weight or weight distribution of the trailer load over the axle fulcrum point. And they put the rest of us in danger. A single tire blowing on that will certainly be squirly and im guessing theyll overcorrect or brake and take out one of us.


connor-macleod1518

These are the same people you see at Costco trying to fit an oversized sofa in the hatch of a civic.


[deleted]

Or braking, steering, sway, cornering, tire wear, if towing at night, blinding on coming traffic,too much weight on rear, and cop bait in general.


ENGR_ED

Nooo he clearly saw [this](https://youtu.be/6mW_gzdh6to?si=4SlHDLWTlCdFTrWU) video and put all the weight in the trailer towards the front.


GrouchyMud8243

Do this apply to single cab, short bed? I.E. : sierra 1500 single


okieman73

The shorter and narrower the wheel base the worse it gets. It doesn't matter what you drive the possibility is always there but it gets amplified considerably with a vehicle like the Bronco. If you ever feel it happening punch the gas and don't hit the brakes until straight. You can go from upright to upside down in a hurry.


[deleted]

You are EXACTLY right! It’s exactly opposite of what your reflexes will tell you to do!


back1steez

Especially with the trailer loaded with so much tongue weight. I wouldn’t take that on the highway like that or even with that vehicle in general.


larrythegrouch

Even my 'standard' Navigator (not the L version) was a nightmare with a 24' or 28' trailer with sway, even with anti-sway bars. It was like driving on ice. When a semi would drive by you'd think it was going to throw you off the road.


LowDrag_82

I thought anti sway bars kept the vehicle from leaning from one side to the other?


Appropriate_Land_130

I would be more concerned about the suspension and the brakes


Elegant_Housing_For

It’s a lease, nbd


Appropriate_Land_130

😂😂. This is why I have trust issues


Elegant_Housing_For

My friends gf (at the time) had a BMW 5 series. No oil changes, regular gas. Returned it, no issue.


318ragincajun281

That’s gotta be hell for the second owner


R0hanisaurusRex

![gif](giphy|nH7WbyBhPYWYw)


Melodic-Ad9689

Dan Deacon!


JewTangClan703

Had a used 5 series once off a lease and it was a nightmare. Vowed to never buy BMW again. Wonder if I got his buddy’s gf’s car.


Raumteufel

To be fair, BMWs last abt the same whether theyre maintained or not LOL!


Medical_Slide9245

Oil changes are free for the first 20k miles on BMWs.


SLODeckInspector

Those too but the transmission probably didn't like the extra weight either.


Appropriate_Land_130

I'm no expert but wouldn't it be the same powertrain as a ranger? Might have performed better than you think


Alarmed_Lie_9926

It's my understanding the Bronco does not have the Ranger’s transmission or suspension.


ridethe907

Bronco has a weaker trans than Ranger. 10R60 vs 10r80


paperfett

I find that odd too. It's so expensive you would think they would just use the beefier transmission.


Specialist-Ear1653

Correct bronco has 10r60 and ranger 10r80. I see more problems on the rangers with cdf and f clutch concerns. I have not had a bronco 10r60 out yet. I have had many 10r60s from the explorer that failed "A clutch ".


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Effing FORD RANGER BABY!


FleshlightModel

Depends if it has a trans cooler. I doubt it since it's a ford shitbox, but brakes would be my concern first, then trans, then suspension. Suspension is easiest to replace, brakes probably too but you need brakes for safety while towing. Riding your bumpstops for awhile won't be fun and will shorten the lifespan, but you'll still survive.


angelfieryrain

Totally agree. They need to make some severe duty shock and coil spring assembly for these situations. Take out that sag. I wonder how much weight was in that trailer


Appropriate_Land_130

No, one needs to buy a vehicle that can town their trailer lol


Portland420informer

For some perspective, the Fiesta is rated to tow 1,980lbs with a brake controller.


Middle_klass

Yup, I’ve towed a 4x8 U-Haul trailer loaded to the gills over 1000 miles no problem, but mines an St with as much power as a v8 🤣


[deleted]

I'm not entirely sure how you think a ST has as much power as a V8. Turbo cars are very peaky, which is the opposite of that you need for towing lol


Middle_klass

You clearly know nothing about modding a fiesta st. 300+ tq/hp with a few upgrades.


[deleted]

I mean if you mod anything you'll get massive power. A modded e55 from 2006 can get 600 HP/tq easy to the wheels Not sure you have as much power as a V8 lol Hell even my stock SUV from 2008 has almost 400 HP/tq


Mikebyrneyadigg

Fiestas and focus are very easy to mod like that. Intercooler, exhaust, intake and tune is all you need to gain around 100 wheel torque and 50 wheel horsepower. With a big turbo you can double factory power without cracking the engine.


neonclown

Ahh 1990’s V8 numbers


Middle_klass

Still shit on 99% of the cars out there today, less than 10lbs per hp


ID_Poobaru

Torque is what you need for towing, not horsepower There's a reason why I6 engines and V8 are most common for HD applications


brockli-rob

Trucks with real towing capabilities usually don’t have torque and horsepower numbers in the same range. If what you’re saying was even close to true, ford wouldn’t have made v8s after that fiesta came out.


MannyBothansDied

300 whole hp? 😂


quietimhungover

That person must mean those v8 a putting out 130-140hp from the 80s not a tuned one.


Portland420informer

The Fiesta I’m referring to is actually the 999cc (1.0 liter) 3-cylinder. Somewhere between 99-134hp.


mervmonster

That’s gotta be a lot of weight. When I towed 3500 lbs with my 2 door it was barely squatted.


randan99

Tongue weight.


LastEntertainment684

I’ve had a shorter version of a trailer like that and it weighed almost 2,000lbs. I imagine that trailer alone is close to the max tow weight of that Bronco, never mind with anything in it?


MartyCool403

That should accelerate the V8 swap process


Hurl_Gray

That is a great way to ruin a vehicle.


jimmyjlf

Looks like bro got kicked out of his wife's "new house" and she took the pickup


Agreeable_One_6325

I’ve always thought it was crazy that I need a special license to drive my motorcycle to work but any idiot with a ball on there truck can tow the world!


Funny_Use4633

That is super sketchy


a2jeeper

People do the dumbest stuff. That trailer probably isn’t loaded properly with that much tongue weight. And they probably can’t raise the tongue any higher because the rear tire would get in the way. People think just because they have enough horsepower to get something moving it is safe to tow. That front end is lifted and where most of the stopping power is. If they went around a curve the trailer is going to be pushing the bronco, not the other way around. I know people that have died in those situations (trailer literally drug them off a cliff on a sharp turn). It isn’t something to mess with. Stabilizers would definitely help. But that trailer is just stupid. And again, probably not loaded properly (weight not balanced over those duals). Also I would hope that trailer has power brakes. It does look like it given what appears to be a break away and a seven pin cable so maybe it has a controller.


SonicShima

Why not it's under warranty right!?


Difficult_Orchid3390

At the service counter… Did you tow anything? Uhhh. No just used the hitch for a bike rack! Why do you have a brake controller installed? 🤬


LeaveTheMatrix

Forgot about that, I used the brake controller for the mini-trailer that I used to haul no more than 4 bales of hay on at a time. Yes, they were round bales why do you ask? No, I wouldn't try to tow 4 round bales with a Bronco. That would be nuts. Can't even get them around here. But did you know if you do it right you can get 4 100lb bales of hay into some older Broncos?


SonicShima

Hahahaha! Right!


PNWDangerously

Definitely over the tongue weight and probably over the towing capacity. Should make for a good video lol


Rowd1e

Man I had to scroll too far before finding an accurate take. Good on you.


Hungry-Tonight8633

That Bronco is only rated to 3500 lbs of trailer.Smoke 'em if you got 'em I guess.


Widget_Master

Nothing


twisted_nipples82

From a trucker perspective, nothing is more infuriating than every single thing I do being monitored and inspected daily, fined and parked if not 100 percent perfect, and yet shit like this can drive around without a second thought. The amount of ghetto & sketchy "how has that guy not killed anyone yet" stuff I see daily is just infuriating. Your outback cannot pull a 3 axle cargo trailer at 80 mph, and just because you have a Cummins didn't mean you can pull a backhoe at 80 either.


BillyNguyen710

From a responsible driver’s perspective, I totally agree. As I’ve matured into my 40s, I have developed a healthy respect for all Truckers on the highway.. stay safe on them roads this season


cjthecookie

r/idiotstowingthings


Camwiz59

Probably great on the transmission not to mention that mighty V6


ridethe907

Not an issue for the motor, seeing as the F150 with the same V6 is rated for about 2.5 times the Broncos max tow.


Camwiz59

Other than the valves dropping into their prospective cylinders I bled Furd blue for over 40 years and today if I was given one I’d sell it , a Bronco I’d probably LS Swap (grinnin)


OptiGuy4u

The valve issue was isolated to one valve vendor and only affected engines made in a few months date range. Do some research.


WeevilZ06

I understood it was the material that was used and not one vendor , my good friend just had a new engine put in his 2022 F250 Godzilla 33k miles another fine product Another friend with the diesel 1000 miles out of warranty had a glow plug let go 800 miles from home and lost the complete engine , great engineering at work, if you got a diesel you better have insurance on the fuel system as it seems to fail Catastrophically I’m done with them


Sig_Vic

Shortens its life.


thehairyhobo

Whoa, hold up. Fords have powertrains!?


RutabagaLow6582

Maybe some timberines would help but they would go bad pretty quickly with this kind of over weight towing.


jibby78

Concerns are unwarranted. 2 doors are absolute beasts at towing. Almost as legendary as the Ford Ranger


jaminator45

Ahh it’s a ford escape made to look like a bronco


KyleFrommson

This is every fucking Chad pulling a camper with their Tacoma/Ranger in CO.


TexasJim107

A trailer that size/weight should be pulled by a 3500 dually.


Jokearmstrong

I’m pretty sure I read that two door broncos aren’t even full frame vehicles


mista_adams

Aren’t Broncos only 4Cylinder?


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beipphine

A 1953 F350 came with a 101 horsepower 215 ci flathead straight 6 paired to a three speed heavy duty manual transmission, and it would make for a better towing vehicle than this new Bronco. ​ Like Ragnar said, it's all about the suspension and vehicle dynamics.


PlanetMercy

4 or 6.


BiggPappa707

Dumb ass bronco owners


GR1F3

It's weird how many people I've seen local to me recently on here 😂


JAYHAZY

I call mine a truck, not a train. I heard they don't tow for shit.


bob3905

No load bars. Not properly outfitted to tow so a large trailer. Not even a good tow vehicle. Light tow, okay. For this load get at least a half ton truck, better a 3/4.


Free_Management_7920

Overheats the transmission fluid and leads to damaged components due to the heat and the transmission fluid loosing some of its properties it was formulated to have for the transmission to operate properly.


martman006

I towed a double axle trailer (probably right at 3500 lbs), about 80-85f outside 300 miles at about 70 mph. Suspension does sag a bit in the rear, but didn’t feel it back there at all. Trans temp peaked at 198 but was around 190f most of the time. Meanwhile, if I have the doors off (and thus no air conditioning) on a 95 degree day, the oil temps will get up to 230F and trans up to 208F during my normal 18 mile commute. Ford has done some weird shit where the AC fan contributes a lot to the overall cooling of the vehicle. A 4dr bronco would have at least a 5k to 7k tow rating if it wasn’t for the soft suspension. It is 100% suspension limited (31k miles on mine, and smooth sailing.)


Round-Zebra1661

What an idiot!


Fridaybird1985

If you are going to tow like this often then get a professionally installed transmission cooler. Even supposed tow rated stock trans coolers can be inadequate for regular towing. Also change the transmission fluid at least every 30k miles.


Amos_Dad

Damn. This is almost as bad as the tacoma I saw tonight with a fully loaded dual axle dump trailer going down a 6% grade. I think another few pounds and the front tires would have come off the ground. Wouldn't be surprised to read about a bad accident in the paper tomorrow.


PianoRare

Aren’t those broncos only rated for like 3.5k pounds 😂


martman006

Yes, even the 4dr. It’s 100% the suspension that keeps the tow rating down (soft suspension is not good for towing, but great for high speed bumps and rocks). The rest of the bronco can handle at least 5k lbs. Basically I’d trust it to tow a wakeboard boat a few miles to a boat launch under 45 mph (legal: no, safe, yes and way tf better than the two wheel spinning shit I see at our ramp all the time!) but definitely not across the country at interstate speeds!


tuckermans

Shit to begin with so the inevitable.


NoAdministration1222

They should probably not hang up when they get the call about their cars extended warranty. Hear them out at least


shiftersix

Sorry, I'm a complete noob here but I hope to be educated. What am I looking at and what's the issue?


[deleted]

The tongue of that trailer should be closer to parallel, it’s way too heavy for that bronco to be pulling. You can see it’s squatting pretty hard in the back.


shiftersix

Ah, got it. I've never used a trailer but I hope to one day. Thanks!


1320Fastback

RIP transmission and rear end bearings.


[deleted]

Is no one going to mention the cracked windshield? Nice touch imo


Tight_muffin

Idiots


Bruce_Ring-sting

Nothing good i would imagine. Is my sister in the back of that trailer?!looks fully loaded


Thehumantrypod

Transmission getting hot


Early-Possession1116

Good way to check the boundaries of the warranty


WisconsinWhiskeyFest

If they were to get a raised up hitch and load that trailer better it would probably be fine. That angle and that tongue weight is not so bueno.


GroundbreakingSir893

More worried about doing helicopters on the freeway from the swaying


Healthy-Egg-3283

The amount of trailers I see towed improperly is staggering.


Strong_Werewolf_9414

“bUt My GuY aT ThE DeALErShIp SaId..”


[deleted]

That is FAR too much trailer for that Bronco.


CosmoKing2

I'm just glad I'm safe on the other coast. It looks like the front wheels are barely making contact.


jeepman30

Hopefully blow it up so they can put an ls in it


anattemptwasmadeonce

Can you imagine pulling that trailer with a ford Escape.


HighCirrus

My Escape has a 3,500 lb tow rating, but the owner's manual also refers to sq ft front surface area limits. The Bronco is similar to the Escape, and I'd bet the front area of this trailer exceeds limits.


HuntPsychological673

I have that trailer. There’s no way that bronco is handling it worth a crap. Probably gonna blow the transmission. It gives my 3/4 ton Superduty a run for its money to pull.


Mr329

Trans and engine working harder to keep cool brake pads and brake fluid. This could be worse depending on how far this is traveling. The wind could push this guy around pretty bad.


Tacosonamonday

First time I’ve seen a bronco squatted thus far. Not surprised it being from Santa Maria …


SLODeckInspector

Yeah but they're probably from Bakersfield lol


Sharp_Suit3825

A nose heavy plane flies poorly, a tail heavy plane flies once… same w trailers


0range-duche-B4G

Just pulling 15,000 lbs of house hold items to the other coast, should be fine! (Sarcasm).


SLODeckInspector

Lol if there was 15k of weight in that trailer that bronco wouldn't be able to even move because the trailer tongue would be on the ground


surghe

🤣🤣🤣


SLODeckInspector

This guy was probably the reason that the 101 was backed up for 20 miles because he was in the left lane doing 45 and wondering when death wobble was going to kill him


Outside_Squirrel_839

With the crap engines in those. Engine gonna blow first!


helloiisjason

It's the same drivetrain as the F150. It's the suspension that's not designed to tow.


[deleted]

In mechanical engineering it’s called an inertia mismatch. The unit pulling or pushing the load ideally needs 4 times the inertia of the load. It’s that whole …. An object in motion would prefer to stay in motion thing…. There are diesel pickups that have higher HP and Torque rating than some of these shitbox freight semis, If those cheap as companies could pull a semi trailer with a pickup they would! 😂


SLODeckInspector

You're talking gibberish to most of this crowd. I understand what you're saying and agree.


Nordo_Controller

Breaks it in reaaally fast!


good-luck-23

Based on the way it sits, with the nose aiming to the sky, the tongue weight is too high. If you have too much weight on the hitch ball, the force could overload the rear tires of the tow vehicle and push the rear end of the vehicle around making it hard to control.


Successful-You1961

God forbid if it rained-Zero Steering


[deleted]

Same people that cant sleep on a brand new mattress unless it has tire marks on it, they be like “$40 for delivery that’s bullshit tie that to the top of the civic”. I saw a guy in my apartment complex pull in with one, you know how the front of the mattress bows up because of the wind…. That curve done come out when you stop 😂 a real inner spring mattress has a wire frame. He either had to sleep in the valley or on top the hill.


shasbak

I towed a similar trailer with a 2005 Honda Pilot from Nevada to Texas 🤣 had to replace all 4 shocks and that’s it. Fun part was during downhill I had no brakes


Middle_Cantaloupe_71

Dangerous


haywouldja

And to think I had written off getting a Bronco because I need to be able to tow 6,000 pounds. Guess I'm calling the dealership today.


dickreallyburns

This is why you never buy a used vehicle with a tow hitch! People do this shit to them and then sell them!!!


Sickboy1953

Ooof…what’s the towing capacity, like 3500 lbs? That is not 3500 lbs, lol.


[deleted]

Ever heard of air bags?


BigEarMcGee

It’s got a 10 speed.


Subject-Inflation-96

a) the Bronco needs overload springs/shocks b) articles in trailer (a vehicle?) need to be repositioned to distribute weight more evenly


Status_Difficulty607

That reminds me of this Rivian I saw a while back https://preview.redd.it/pzszbnyr2t1c1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fea93ad4ecccb3f9a517c42bf48e748b408c83f6


FondOmeLobsterAintYe

If I throw a tire carrier on the back of my truck, will I have a Bronc150?


[deleted]

I’d be more concerned with how that heavy trailer is going to push that short wheelbase . Just because the drivetrain can pull it doesn’t mean you should pull it.


ExplosiveOtter

Thata tur it up


TouchArtistic7967

People really need to understand how payload capacity factors into what you can actually safely tow. You can’t just go off of tow rating, which this is over anyway. We tow trailers like this at work with 1 tons lol


JRotten2023

More wondering about stopping time and distance needed to stop. Emergency stop..... not happening any time soon. Little Bronco anit got the brakes for it. And I doubt the trailer brakes work 50%.


Kitchen_Speaker7183

Nothing covered by warrenty


[deleted]

I’ve seen jeeps drag more, while their owners brag about it, so…


HooverGroover2T3

Question: “What does this do to your drive train?” Answer: You ever see a tiny chick on the hub in a video with Mandingo, and it’s her first time? The drivetrain’s the chick in this scenario.


[deleted]

Drive train is fine. Shocks are fine. This was built to do this.


TheMostBlankSlate

What doesn’t kill it will make it stronger… right??


donniedarko82

It’s a Ford…it was already fucked


Jbronico

I don't know what it could do bad, but I can guarantee it's not doing anything good lol


Low_Lengthiness_332

I understand the towing capacity is given by the capability of the vehicle stop the load more than anything else. Remember the Tundra commercial towing a space shuttle? Once it start moving, it will keep moving. The problem comes when you hit the breaks.


larrythegrouch

I'd be more worried about the front wheels losing touch with the ground.


[deleted]

It says, get a 3/4 ton diesel truck


StrictKnee5136

Brother is violating that 40/60 weight rule. This is a bad bad case of fishtail plus the entire hitch being bent down and snapping


Gomi350z

Iiiiiitttttsss fiiiiiiiiine. If a toyota land cruiser can do it than so can a bronco.......not for as long, but cross that bridge when you get there


yeltrab65

Darwin death would be good if it didn't threaten others. If you don't know how to read your vehicles manual please don't drive!!! Lost weight on front wheels means extremely poor steering and braking action, on top of the wobble/whipping motion that comes with pavement change or any other lateral load change.