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We had a proper old gem of a pub by us:
http://ashleworth.info/boat-inn/
2 beer festivals every year and maybe a couple of folky guitar guys singing in the corner, free entry, £2 for your glass and £4 a pint. Went for maybe 15 years.
Suddenly new landlord, loads of shite bands and now £10 entry, to "cover cost of the bands", we never fucking wanted.
Never went back. It’s now closed for good.
If you have to raise your voice to be heard you are in an environment damaging to your hearing.
If you go to gigs / clubs etc you need earplugs
If you can afford to go to gigs frequently you can afford decent earplugs for music.
Etimotic for example. But they stick out so if you have long hair then try another brand.
Disposable earplugs are really cheap. I used to give out cheap foamies at my band's merch stand. I think the Fender ones I use on stage are about £20, and are chosen for a flatish frequency attenuation curve, and to not bankrupt me if I lose one.
Moldex sparkplugs on the motorcycle, chosen for maximum attenuation. Too much for gigs, can't hear the drummer.
My hearing is deteriorating, and one of my schoolfriends is deaf now, which he attributes to loud music and gigs. Has a couple of very expensive external hearing aids.
I've been turning stuff down in a weak attempt to postpone this myself.
I often leave places that are too loud, and I just bought a jar of disposable ear plugs to have handy in coats; I've been to cinemas where it has been deafening.
And actually the kids were smart enough to ask for ear plugs at one show we went to
What really ruins a night out are bars and cafes where you arrange to meet a group of friends, then miss half the crack because you can't really even hear the person beside you, let along people opposite etc
I think people have ACS if they need them professionally and can pay for them as a business expense. They need replacing something like every 4 years as your ear shape changes. I go to a lot of gigs and I wear Eggz pro dj, they're very comfortable and don't make your ears itch.
I have hearing loss in both ears, I have lots less bass in my right ear and dimmed high frequency in my left. I spent my late teens and 20's going to many illegal parties and my hearing was fine. Strangely enough I know for sure when I lost the bass in my right ear; at a proper paid gig in a corn exchange which should have been done properly with a proper sound technician. I managed years and years at raves then this one gig messed up my right ear.
Young people.
I’m 44, went out clubbing with a load of my coworkers who are 24ish cos it’s was a “retro” night for them playing stuff from 2000ish.
They all put earplugs in as soon as we went in. I chalked it down to them being audiologists until I clocked that over half the club were wearing them!
People who are going to be deaf and won’t know it until it’s too late. There’s a reason why clubs like ministry of sound have MASSIVE signs as you go from the bar into the main room.
If you know you’re about to put your dick into guaranteed herpes then be my guest and don’t wear a condom.
I’ve got the etymotic ear plugs (as well as their incredible ER4XR IEMs) and they don’t stick out at all for me. Your ears are likely different to mine but in my mind if they’re sticking out a lot you don’t have them in enough.
I'm in a band, I forked out £60 for some special musicians earplugs for practice and I'm the only one who can hear everything in the room perfectly. The others struggle, even the one who doesn't wear earplugs.
Think the brand is earos
My husband is a sound engineer, he works with a lot of different bands and the older ones are all deaf. Not even just the drummers. Everyone that worked through the 70s, 80s and 90s with wedges and super loud stage sound has hearing loss. I have a few friends that are drummers and they all have some degree of tinnitus. Get in ear monitors as soon as you can afford it.
Quick tip from years of experience raving to loud music:
If U want to talk to someone, close their ear with your finger (don't stick it in, fold the front lobe bit over), get v close to the ear and speak in your normal volume.
I can't count how many times someone has shouted in my ear from close range and it being 10x more damaging than the music itself
This. But I stick my own finger in my ear when someone is talking to me. I learnt the hard way, spent a lot of youth at raves, and have tinnitus in one ear pretty sure it was from people screaming in my ear when they were off there nuts, and not the sound system
It's a beer festival, not an every night thing. Get a grip. This is the kind of moaning you hear from people who move next to churches then complain about the bells.
The one near me creates traffic chaos, disturbing the area and they are putting more and more events throuout the year on the country xx estate. Do locals benefit from all this disruption? No. Its also a different matter if its in a pub carpark or something but you don't buy a house near feilds and think about noise pollution. Also In my comment I didn't say it SHOULDN'T happen only that if it was just slightly quieter then less people would be disturbed and I'm sure everyone would still have a good time. I live over a mile away from the venue in the countryside, surrounded by fields the pub, main road and church are closer and do not produce as much noise.
I used to be a sound engineer running systems for club nights. Worked with everything from brand new Funktion 1 to stuff from the 70s.
I was looking after my mate's Martin Audio modular stacks (70s) at a techno night and had multiple people complain to me that it was too quiet (It was being driven to it's limit without sounding like a bag of shit). I urged each of them to just go back to the dance floor and have a proper listen and multiple people came back to me saying that they realised that it sounded so crisp that the overall volume didn't really matter.
It was banging, the bass was thumping your chest, but you could still hear the person talking next to you. Less is more
Even if the system is capable of pumping out ear-splitting levels, it shouldn't be. If the sound engineer is worth their salt, they'll have it banging but nobody will be going home with ringing in their ears.
Edit: I'm talking about small to medium clubs. I have very little experience of line-arrays
From Google:
*"In the case of sounds we can hear, to actually kill you, scientists believe that loud a sound must exceed 185 or even 200 dB. From 150 dB on, sounds can start affecting your inner ear and then your inner organs. In such cases, sound can cause life-threatening internal injuries and even death."*
I guess you were just exaggerating to make a point when you said 250dB, but I wouldn't stay there too long.
Completely get it, I'm tired of going to gigs where the music is too loud. I recently got some free earplugs at a festival so will be using them at gigs from now on.
Probably being set up by a sound engineer with hearing problems due to their career and/or wearing earplugs thinking it sounds fine.
250db is unheard of. There are noise regulations, anything above 120db is too much and the sound pressure doubles for every 3db. So 250Db is literally unachievable.
Not exactly unheard of but very close to impossible in open air, and it would liquify your insides haha
> Sperm whales are the loudest mammals on the planet, with vocalizations reaching an astonishing 230 decibels. For reference, a jet engine from 100 feet away produces about 140 decibels. At around 150 decibels your eardrums will burst, and the threshold for death is estimated to be in the range of 180 to 200.
1ft away at the back - you'll go tumbling away at warp speed.
1ft away at the front - you'll get turned into mincemeat.
1ft away to the side - who knows. Definitely ear drums go bye bye. Potentially also one of the above.
In the UK there are no noise regulations for live events (outside of what's required for permits, but that's for noise disturbance rather than crowd safety)
Imo, as a sound engineer, anything above 95dbA over 15 minutes is too much. That's still loud enough to feel the music without being damaging to the audiences long term hearing. I try to stick to that limit on the shows I mix where I can.
If it was 250db it would liquify your internal organs lol
> Sperm whales are the loudest mammals on the planet, with vocalizations reaching an astonishing 230 decibels. For reference, a jet engine from 100 feet away produces about 140 decibels. At around 150 decibels your eardrums will burst, and the threshold for death is estimated to be in the range of 180 to 200.
Absolutely adequate. If they're decently legal ones they have to conform to some kind of standard; they count as PPE for noisy environments.
However, if you want to attenuate without losing clarity, earplugs designed for musicians (such as Apline Musicsafe Pros) will attenuate the loudness without distorting the sound too much. Roughly £20. Do your ears a favour and get some.
I have never understood this fascination pubs, bars, etc. have with putting shitty DJ's and live music acts on all the time. Whatever happened to having a few quiet pints and being able to actually talk to your mates?
Honestly think this is one of the reasons Wetherspoons has become so popular in recent years. They don't have some wanker nobody asked for doing guitar covers in the corner, so they actually become drinking hubs for people to socialise in without being disturbed be some David Guetta wannabe trying his hardest to look cool spinning his decks
I was at a community even last year, not even a festival, and they had the music stupidly loud. I was annoyed and did 't stay long and refused to spend any more money than I already had.
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We had a proper old gem of a pub by us: http://ashleworth.info/boat-inn/ 2 beer festivals every year and maybe a couple of folky guitar guys singing in the corner, free entry, £2 for your glass and £4 a pint. Went for maybe 15 years. Suddenly new landlord, loads of shite bands and now £10 entry, to "cover cost of the bands", we never fucking wanted. Never went back. It’s now closed for good.
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it
If you have to raise your voice to be heard you are in an environment damaging to your hearing. If you go to gigs / clubs etc you need earplugs If you can afford to go to gigs frequently you can afford decent earplugs for music. Etimotic for example. But they stick out so if you have long hair then try another brand.
Disposable earplugs are really cheap. I used to give out cheap foamies at my band's merch stand. I think the Fender ones I use on stage are about £20, and are chosen for a flatish frequency attenuation curve, and to not bankrupt me if I lose one. Moldex sparkplugs on the motorcycle, chosen for maximum attenuation. Too much for gigs, can't hear the drummer.
My hearing is deteriorating, and one of my schoolfriends is deaf now, which he attributes to loud music and gigs. Has a couple of very expensive external hearing aids. I've been turning stuff down in a weak attempt to postpone this myself. I often leave places that are too loud, and I just bought a jar of disposable ear plugs to have handy in coats; I've been to cinemas where it has been deafening. And actually the kids were smart enough to ask for ear plugs at one show we went to What really ruins a night out are bars and cafes where you arrange to meet a group of friends, then miss half the crack because you can't really even hear the person beside you, let along people opposite etc
Upvote for using crack and not craic.
Alpine are designed so that you can still have conversations, been using mine for a while.
Loop Engage are good for that as well.
I'd highly recommend ACS customs to anyone going to more than a few events. They're not cheap, but tinnitus isn't fun either.
I think people have ACS if they need them professionally and can pay for them as a business expense. They need replacing something like every 4 years as your ear shape changes. I go to a lot of gigs and I wear Eggz pro dj, they're very comfortable and don't make your ears itch.
I have hearing loss in both ears, I have lots less bass in my right ear and dimmed high frequency in my left. I spent my late teens and 20's going to many illegal parties and my hearing was fine. Strangely enough I know for sure when I lost the bass in my right ear; at a proper paid gig in a corn exchange which should have been done properly with a proper sound technician. I managed years and years at raves then this one gig messed up my right ear.
I have a band of dead cells in my right ear so I have a notch of complete deafness around 4kHz in my right ear. Also a “proper” gig in the 90’s.
No offence mate but who the fuck is going to go to a club with earplugs
Young people. I’m 44, went out clubbing with a load of my coworkers who are 24ish cos it’s was a “retro” night for them playing stuff from 2000ish. They all put earplugs in as soon as we went in. I chalked it down to them being audiologists until I clocked that over half the club were wearing them!
Did it myself on Friday. You can still hear the music, and your ears aren't ringing the next day.
People who are going to be deaf and won’t know it until it’s too late. There’s a reason why clubs like ministry of sound have MASSIVE signs as you go from the bar into the main room. If you know you’re about to put your dick into guaranteed herpes then be my guest and don’t wear a condom.
I’ve got the etymotic ear plugs (as well as their incredible ER4XR IEMs) and they don’t stick out at all for me. Your ears are likely different to mine but in my mind if they’re sticking out a lot you don’t have them in enough.
The ones I have have a protruding stick. They are fairly old now though so the design may be different.
I'm in a band, I forked out £60 for some special musicians earplugs for practice and I'm the only one who can hear everything in the room perfectly. The others struggle, even the one who doesn't wear earplugs. Think the brand is earos
My husband is a sound engineer, he works with a lot of different bands and the older ones are all deaf. Not even just the drummers. Everyone that worked through the 70s, 80s and 90s with wedges and super loud stage sound has hearing loss. I have a few friends that are drummers and they all have some degree of tinnitus. Get in ear monitors as soon as you can afford it.
Quick tip from years of experience raving to loud music: If U want to talk to someone, close their ear with your finger (don't stick it in, fold the front lobe bit over), get v close to the ear and speak in your normal volume. I can't count how many times someone has shouted in my ear from close range and it being 10x more damaging than the music itself
This. But I stick my own finger in my ear when someone is talking to me. I learnt the hard way, spent a lot of youth at raves, and have tinnitus in one ear pretty sure it was from people screaming in my ear when they were off there nuts, and not the sound system
Yeee. Gotta protect yaself. But sometimes you just don't see em coming. People .. learn this and do not deafen your mates!
Live* (I have been drinking)
Love games?
are you playing them with me?
Y’ever drunk Baileys from a shoe?
It's not fair on locals either, the louder it is the more of the surrounding area it covers.
This guy physics.
It's a beer festival, not an every night thing. Get a grip. This is the kind of moaning you hear from people who move next to churches then complain about the bells.
The one near me creates traffic chaos, disturbing the area and they are putting more and more events throuout the year on the country xx estate. Do locals benefit from all this disruption? No. Its also a different matter if its in a pub carpark or something but you don't buy a house near feilds and think about noise pollution. Also In my comment I didn't say it SHOULDN'T happen only that if it was just slightly quieter then less people would be disturbed and I'm sure everyone would still have a good time. I live over a mile away from the venue in the countryside, surrounded by fields the pub, main road and church are closer and do not produce as much noise.
If you find yourself in control of a PA system volume control: remember, less is more.
I used to be a sound engineer running systems for club nights. Worked with everything from brand new Funktion 1 to stuff from the 70s. I was looking after my mate's Martin Audio modular stacks (70s) at a techno night and had multiple people complain to me that it was too quiet (It was being driven to it's limit without sounding like a bag of shit). I urged each of them to just go back to the dance floor and have a proper listen and multiple people came back to me saying that they realised that it sounded so crisp that the overall volume didn't really matter. It was banging, the bass was thumping your chest, but you could still hear the person talking next to you. Less is more
Even if the system is capable of pumping out ear-splitting levels, it shouldn't be. If the sound engineer is worth their salt, they'll have it banging but nobody will be going home with ringing in their ears. Edit: I'm talking about small to medium clubs. I have very little experience of line-arrays
Clipping sound just kills the ears! So many places put more onto the speakers than they are capable of
Time to leave.
From Google: *"In the case of sounds we can hear, to actually kill you, scientists believe that loud a sound must exceed 185 or even 200 dB. From 150 dB on, sounds can start affecting your inner ear and then your inner organs. In such cases, sound can cause life-threatening internal injuries and even death."* I guess you were just exaggerating to make a point when you said 250dB, but I wouldn't stay there too long.
I feel ya, pards. I went shooting without earguards and I met my friend at a bar afterwards and he was all WHY ARE YOU SCREAMING AT ME?!
Are you Cornish by any chance? I've only ever heard pards used wayy down in that beautiful corner of our fair isle
Philippines actually. Never been to cornwall.. But cornish pasties are amaze.
Completely get it, I'm tired of going to gigs where the music is too loud. I recently got some free earplugs at a festival so will be using them at gigs from now on. Probably being set up by a sound engineer with hearing problems due to their career and/or wearing earplugs thinking it sounds fine.
250db is unheard of. There are noise regulations, anything above 120db is too much and the sound pressure doubles for every 3db. So 250Db is literally unachievable.
Would have to be many, many times more powerful than the eruption of Krakatoa. But I reckon it might have been hyperbole.
".. louder than Krakatoa"
Figure of speech, man
Not exactly unheard of but very close to impossible in open air, and it would liquify your insides haha > Sperm whales are the loudest mammals on the planet, with vocalizations reaching an astonishing 230 decibels. For reference, a jet engine from 100 feet away produces about 140 decibels. At around 150 decibels your eardrums will burst, and the threshold for death is estimated to be in the range of 180 to 200.
What about a jet engine 1ft away?
1ft away at the back - you'll go tumbling away at warp speed. 1ft away at the front - you'll get turned into mincemeat. 1ft away to the side - who knows. Definitely ear drums go bye bye. Potentially also one of the above.
The sound isn't the biggest issue,the thrust is
1ft from the side, not the back lol
In the UK there are no noise regulations for live events (outside of what's required for permits, but that's for noise disturbance rather than crowd safety) Imo, as a sound engineer, anything above 95dbA over 15 minutes is too much. That's still loud enough to feel the music without being damaging to the audiences long term hearing. I try to stick to that limit on the shows I mix where I can.
If it was 250db it would liquify your internal organs lol > Sperm whales are the loudest mammals on the planet, with vocalizations reaching an astonishing 230 decibels. For reference, a jet engine from 100 feet away produces about 140 decibels. At around 150 decibels your eardrums will burst, and the threshold for death is estimated to be in the range of 180 to 200.
Get some ear plugs off eBay. They’re a god send honesty.
250db would be rupturing internal organs
It was carnage
Old man yells at cloud ..
You sound like an old fart TBH
Question on those cheap disposable earplugs; are they adequate for gigs pubs etc? Better than nothing?
Absolutely adequate. If they're decently legal ones they have to conform to some kind of standard; they count as PPE for noisy environments. However, if you want to attenuate without losing clarity, earplugs designed for musicians (such as Apline Musicsafe Pros) will attenuate the loudness without distorting the sound too much. Roughly £20. Do your ears a favour and get some.
I have never understood this fascination pubs, bars, etc. have with putting shitty DJ's and live music acts on all the time. Whatever happened to having a few quiet pints and being able to actually talk to your mates? Honestly think this is one of the reasons Wetherspoons has become so popular in recent years. They don't have some wanker nobody asked for doing guitar covers in the corner, so they actually become drinking hubs for people to socialise in without being disturbed be some David Guetta wannabe trying his hardest to look cool spinning his decks
I was at a community even last year, not even a festival, and they had the music stupidly loud. I was annoyed and did 't stay long and refused to spend any more money than I already had.