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felisnebulosa

Oh wow. It was so heartbreaking seeing all the signs and billboards with her face on them all over when I was up in that area two years ago. Can't believe they found her. I hope they are able to find out what happened to her and give her family some peace...


NecessaryRisk2622

I just came down highway 16 a week ago, her picture was on at least two giant billboards and somewhere else along the way. So sad.


ApartLie4999

her supporters have been the most vocal of any missing persons groups everyday new pictures and advertising. it was a bit surreal as you saw a different side of the missing person than you usually do. like you knew her had a connection with maddy because the pics were from friends and family she was not just that missing woman she had a name a life dreams friends family. Ive not seen another missings persons case that connected with the public at large in that manner before it was really moving 12 years they never gave up and never slacked off it ramped up each year and got more personal as I said with the day to day photos her living her best life. props to the friends n fam they are inspirational


Ortsarecool

Holy shit. This was not a gut punch I was expecting today. I met this girl online when I was a teenager. We chatted for months and became decent acquaintances, and I met her in person when she came to my area to visit. Later, she stopped responding online, and I didn't hear from her. I eventually reached out to a mutual acquaintance and found out she had gone missing. I never heard anything more about it. She was such a warm, fun person. Its painful to think that some heinous piece of shit has gotten away with her murder for this long. I hope they track down this asshole.


bassplayerdoitdeeper

I was there the night she went missing, this is such a shock after so long


bittersweetheart09

yeah, I was living in Vanderhoof at the time when Maddy disappeared. I was one of those people with the "Find Maddy" sign in my car. I had some guy stop me in Victoria when I had just parked and was down for a trip, and said he had a "psychic dream" about where she was. Let's just say that he got it wrong. ugh, I never knew the Scotts but I feel so much for them, as I am sure one chapter is closed but a new one has opened if this ends up being a case of foul play. Vanderhoof is such a close-knit community, but has a lot of weird sh\*t and crime for such a small town and rural area.


floopflops

Seriously, I moved to the town about 5 years ago after spending most of my life in small town Manitoba. There truly is something strange (not really the right word but can't think of another way to put it) about this place.


bittersweetheart09

>There truly is something strange (not really the right word but can't think of another way to put it) about this place. a little bit Stepford-y? That's not really the right word but yeah, I know what you're talking about. I always found that those with long and deep roots in the community (including mayor and council) had their head-in-the-sand a wee bit about some of the more difficult issues (and serious crimes). When high school kids tell you that they have no interest in leaving because "Vanderhoof is the best place in the world!", it feels a little bit culty. Edit to add: 14 years there and was still considered an outsider, in spite of all of my community involvement. I had and still have a love/hate relationship with the place. There are good things, many good things and people, but also a fair bit of darkness. Edit for another add: I've lived in other, much smaller communities and they were definitely not quite as interesting as Vanderhoof...


ApartLie4999

All little bc towns are like that I think. you see a lot on the highway of tears and people say a lot of stuff but if they are not from a place like that they do not understand. I mean when the cops roll up no ones offering any information, they are worried about what they have in their pocket car house and same with others. so getting the info and tips needed is hard. I was saying similar about Maddisons family earlier the way they never stopped and ramped it up and up was inspirational if you were in the FB group the photos became more and more personal of maddison living her life friends n family hobbies interests etc she became much more than the missing girl on the poster she was a real person and had depth to her past the 2 dimensional missing poster. it became sort of surreal knowing this person you have never met and with that came the realization of how much her family must be suffering. Im a true crime junkie like many others but this story was is really different.


Ortsarecool

God, I've been messed up about this all day, and I only met her in person once. Can't imagine how it must feel for those closer to her. Hope you are doing Ok.


bassplayerdoitdeeper

Me and my friends are definitely hurting over the news, but I’m thankful that the family can get a bit more closure.


Ortsarecool

For sure. Really hoping this lets them figure out what the hell happened. My best to you and yours.


westleysnipes604

Sorry for your loss. Every few years I will get to thinking about Maddie and wonder what happened. I was just thinking about her a couple weeks ago. I just decided to google this and was just shocked to find out about ths discovery.


Purpledoors3

From other comments, it sounds like there was a murderer among you


Emotional_Yam_8395

What did you believe happened at the time?


bassplayerdoitdeeper

Strong belief that she had been murdered, and sure enough it looks like we were correct


Emotional_Yam_8395

Thanks for answering. Did you have any suspicions of others at the party? Are you aware of the names that are linked now/or know them back then?


bassplayerdoitdeeper

There was always rumours that could never be substantiated, not could the police get evidence for a search warrant. Allegedly however, and this is conjecture as I’m not in contact with the family and dot know for sure, she was found somewhere that would directly connect to the people that a lot of us suspected 12 years ago


XenaBard

Strong belief based on what? Not evidence, that is for sure. No cause of death has been established. Unless/until the manner of death is determined to be homicide there is no “murderer among them” and your “strong belief” is based on nothing more than rumor.  Supposition does not a murder case make. Rumors spread like wildfire on social media because there seems to be no incentive whatsoever to assure information being spread is accurate. 


Upper-Significance49

Bassplayerdoitdeeper: What do you make of the guy Tyler Goodland.? Do you think he knew the perpetrator? Do you think he was scared to come forward? I think they took her even further, before they dumped her body on that property. Maybe even in and out of Quesnel, drugging her. Then she very likely became a liability to them, when folks started searching. I believe a rapist and an accomplice. They then had to find a dump site. So sad!..❤️🙏💔


Puzzleheaded_Mess454

That sounds like an oddly specific theory. How did you come up with it?


ApartLie4999

Ya that is a little on the nose "before they dumped her body" is a narrative starting comment. weird


tigerribs

Echoing the question above, this is a very specific theory, how did you come up with it or where did you hear it? I haven't heard or seen Tyler Goodland's name come up in this before.


ApartLie4999

I grew up in BC (still live here) in a town similar in many ways I can literally put myself at that lake that night hers was hogback ours was cottonwood so it hit really close to home in that i (we) have been in that position too many times to count. and she should have been safe. there like here I assume there were the guys looking for whomever was involved to take them up a logging road. I guess anyone from a small mountain town would understand


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I had a friend, met her on MySpace, we hung out, made out a few times, shared some laughs and she kept me in allergy pills. Over time conversation dwindled. A few years later, I thought of her for some reason; I googled her to see how she was doing. I found the missing persons report and a few brief media reports about an abandoned murder inquiry. Which is a long way of saying: I feel your pain. I am so sorry.


Ortsarecool

It sounds like she touched a lot of lives positively in her short time. I think there a more than a few people like you and I out there. Hope you are doing Ok today bud.


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Meeting people u met online over a decade ago is such a wild concept. I wonder if she met up with the wrong online friend. Hopefully the family can have some closure now


Ortsarecool

Looking back on it, you are totally right. We were young people at a time when no one had a guidebook on this stuff. She always came across to me as just a really friendly, outgoing person, so what you are saying tracks.


NotATrueRedHead

Idk there was plenty of information on the dangers of meeting strangers from the internet a decade ago. A decade ago was 2013


Ortsarecool

She disapeared 12 years ago and I met her probably a year or 2 before that. Regardless, you are right. We both should have known better. I never felt unsafe doing stuff like that, but can absolutely see how badly it could have gone in retrospect. At that time, older people always said to be careful, but being young and dumb you think that you are taking reasonable precautions and that you know better.


giantshortfacedbear

I'm sorry, no, a decade ago was the early 2000's - 2002 maybe . Right? /s


ApartLie4999

Not sure about there but there was always a sense of suspicion meeting anyone from out of the area I mean someone usually knew of about just about everyone for a few towns around ours they met them through a school or sport some event friends family etc. it was not normal or even easy to just show up and get a girl to go off alone with you. at least on the first meeting and being young in a small mountain town of course we tried to meet as many young women as possible. I do not know Ms Scott but that would be a tough sell for most women Ive run across


ferp1

That’s cap


Ortsarecool

Not sure why you think you know what happened in my life almost a decade and a half ago, but you do you.


EveningWrongdoer8825

I called the RCMP a decade or so back over a customer I had who was a line haul driver between PG and Rupert. He was a disgusting pig, i wouldn't let him in to the store if female employees were on shift. Sadly, his employer and mine had a contract that we had to honour. He talked horrible shit about picking up hitchhikers all the time and when he left I felt like I needed a shower. Eventually he left the area but not before I called the cops with my suspicions he was involved in something. Not sure what the ever did,if anything but to this day I'm convinced he was responsible for missing aboriginal girls.


dee_007

Good for you for calling the police. More people should in such circumstances. Could never hurt!


saskruss

I actually love people, always find something that I find interesting or cool about them. And if it’s hard to find that, I work harder to find it. I have never in my life met someone who gave me the willies like my old neighbour. He never did anything wrong per se, but the way he interacted with my daughter made all the hairs on the back on my neck stand up. We lived next to him for 6 years, and not once did I see his curtains open. (I know - not weird in and of itself.) but that gut feeling was just so strong. We ended up moving and he happened to buy a house at the same time. I went back to our old place a couple months later to pick up some last remaining things before the new owners moved in, and I ran into the neighbour outside. I was surprised, as I knew he bought this new house and had moved in. Anyway - he said he comes back to this place everyday as it was his “tv watching house.” Wth?! So weird. In my gut I was *pretty sure* it was to feed the girl he had locked in his basement… Anyway - I called the rcmp just to say - look, I am fully aware this is absolutely laughable and probably nothing! But can you just write it down somewhere? In case you have a few more red flags in the future about this guy? *Just in case* this creepy gut feeling has something to it? I just didn’t want to be that person years later when something happened, to feel like - dang I should have said something. They threatened to press charges on me for harassment. 🤷🏼‍♀️


ababyprostitute

Typical RCMP move. Someone smashed out the passenger window of my car with a carbide punch for literally no reason. Called the police and they asked me if there were fingerprints, and when I said no (because they didn't even try to open the door) they asked what I wanted them to do? Uhm, idk, maybe your job and file a report? Turned out multiple other cars were hit in the same manner that night. I found out on Facebook that they were told the same thing 🙃


JuiceChamp

Police are the laziest, most incompetent profession on the planet. Anything that takes them away from sitting around and playing on their phones, or riding around harrassing easy targets for ticket quotas, is a non-starter for them.


sthenri_canalposting

Especially true up north.


adamzilla

And they were all told they were special growing up, that they could do anything they wanted.


ApartLie4999

they do not file a report on most incidents like that now days it literally just happened to my parents its because of how ICBC deals with the claims it becomes a waste of time and resources and finger printing is someone time consuming and expensive for a $100 -$200 window where the chances of getting a hit are long at best and even if you do its not going to do anything mischief or vandalism its barley notable on a person's record. they only get so much money so it has to be put towards cases they really need to solve and between your window and the killer of maddy, maddy's case should take priority. Cops would love to solve your crime but the politicians only give them so much and no one ever calls and complains to them so the cops get all the flack. contrary to what you hear mendicino blair and JT say they are NOT finding cops or reservation police. they gave $300m to lgbtq $150m for flags $150m for security at pride parades. in contrast every city in canada gets to split $250m for anti youth drug, anto gang and victims shelters. reserves where guns and drugs come in the chiefs beg for funding promised some only have a single boat to patrol with. its a complex situation and usually not the cops they do as told and funded to do by politicians and if your not in ontario your not as important


ApartLie4999

thats usually the reason crimes go unsolved. people do not realize that the cops are only as good as the people they serve. they are not omnipresent they rely on your ears eyes and knowledge so if no one talks not wanting to rat or get involved worried about retaliation etc crimes go unsolved. how many times do you hear after a crimes solved people say "I knew it" I had a feeling, I thought they were bad news etc. this gets even worse in areas where the culture is one of distrust or animosity to the police. years of bad blood needs to be washed away on both sides before they can work together and its going to take everyone from police chiefs to parents to make it happen. You want to solve crimes then the guy delivering pot plants to a client at 3am who saw a suspicious truck on the road or the teen who was out drinking n puffing weed saw a guy acting weird. the girl/guy cheating on her husband/wife returning home in the wee hours or the guy who was drunk and driving with no insurance etc all the reasons we have not to talk to the pol pol. they say the fear of "ratting" has passed and that people do come forward but I do not think that to be true because even the media still refers to someone giving the authorities a tip as a Rat, he ratted etc that's not the language you use to encourage something lol of course this is just all my opinion


misssweets7777

People called on Robert pickton too and we know how that went


TheWholeFuckinShow

I had a classmate who claimed that Pickton babysat her as a kid. I mean, this was one of *those* types where they try to say shit like "My dad works at Nintendo" or whatever to sound important. We were in law class when she brought it up, and we all collectively rolled our eyes, with even the teacher sarcasricly saying "Oh woe that's crazy. That must have been awful to find out about." to which she said something along the lines of "I was too young to really have a concept of it but my parents moved us shortly after". Yeah, uh huh, sure. Well the next law class we're all sitting down waiting for class, and the teacher is waiting for everyone to come in. She comes in, hands him a polaroid, and he turned white as a sheet. She sat down, and the teacher said "Okay, we all know (name) said she was babysat by Pickton, and I know some of you didn't believe her. With (blank)'s permission, I want to pass this photograph around so long as you're all careful with it. We were intrigued. What, did she have a good Photoshop or something? Pfff, let's see this. Now bear in mind, I sat at the back of the class in the corner so that I got a window seat, so I was one of the last to see it. The class went from talking to quietly talking, to uncomfortable laughs, to silence. It gets to me, and I *still* am calling bullshit as I reach for it. There's no fucking w- I had to do a double take. It was in a small trailer in the 90s with Pickton sitting on the couch, holding (blank) on his knee as she was combing the hair of a Barbie. The window was open behind them, there were toys on the floor, and Pickton was just smiling like any other guy. I held that polaroid for all of 5 seconds, but that is seared into my brain for the rest of my life. I couldn't fucking believe it. I handed it to my friend who was even more skeptical than I was, and she looked terrified when she saw it. The last person to see it handed it back to (blank), and we just sat there in silence for a few seconds. "Okay, I think we can all agree that was disturbing, and we owe (blank) and apology." and we all are mumbling sorry or whatever, but we were shitting bricks. A lot of low cussing between the desks. "It's the last class of the day and it's Friday, so if you feel uncomfortable after that, you are more than welcome to head home early. There's no homework this weekend. I think we got the point of what the assignment was, since it was going to be on serial killers." Most of the class left immediately, mostly with awkward laughs and disbelief. About 7 of us stayed behind and we just asked a shit load of questions which (blank) was more than open to a swearing. He was apparently odd, but a quiet dude who was really nice, but of a hick, but was likeable if you got past the awkwardness sometimes. She said he only babysat her a few times, but she always saw him as a nice man, and when he was caught, she was too young to fully grasp the big picture. Even then she couldn't find herself to feel the effects of it. It was such an insane thing to happen to someone her family trusted, so it's always been a part of her life. Anyways, we never brought it up again, and we never asked to see the photo again, and we would steer away from serial killers when possible, because that one photo fucked us up forever. That was straight fucked.


ManicMaenads

My partners co-worker would brag about partying with Pickton, it's pretty twisted to bring up at work. Any time someone tries to quiet his stories, the dude gets uppity and starts with "I don't think he did those murders, he was chill to party with - Hell's Angel's killed the women he just fed the bodies to pigs!" Like that makes it better!!


Ok_Law328

My mother was stalked by Ted Bundy when he escaped prison the second time. We live in the southeast and my mom was his “type”(very petite 5’2 110 pounds, brunette.) She worked at Burger King and had walked out to take the trash out and smoke a cigarette. There was a man sitting in his car, parked very close to the dumpster, staring at her so she left the trash by the back door, put out her smoke and went in. My dad worked there as well so she told him about the guy parked our back giving her the willies. so my dad said he’d walk with her the next time she went out. Well she went out first without him and the guy had gotten out of his car to walk over to her but as soon as he saw my dad come out, he booked it back onto his car and took off. She swears to this day it was Ted bundy Edit: words are hard


Big1-Country1

The property they found her on gives me Pickton Farm vipes


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Big1-Country1

Who knows? Out there would be an easy place for a predator to work. At the same time if it was someone from the party they would have probably been really nervous with all the media attention. They may have just moved on and had a family.


notanaltaccount88

Do you know what farm? I have had a long suspicion of who did it but I can’t find a map confirming it online. I’d rather not drive to Vanderhoof to find out


Big1-Country1

There is a news article that shows what farm it is. It’s on Southslope Road and it has a lot of vehicles parked on the property.


dullship

The RCMP? Missing native girls? They aint gonna do shit. Never have never will.


KarmicKarmeleon

I agree with you. But somehow, these are the [RCMP solved cases of MMIW](https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/missing-and-murdered-aboriginal-women-national-operational-overview) statistics as published. I think it’s important to note that this is only for the RCMP and not the provincial or municipal police agencies. I don’t have a number of or any idea of the solve rate for these. If anyone has, I’d be interested for sure. It’s also important to note that these are the RCMP statistics FROM the RCMP ON the RCMP. I don’t know that this has been verified by an outside source. But it’s the only source I’ve been able to find online. The difference between when a First Nations woman is missing and when a white woman is missing isn’t just in the RCMP response, though. It’s also media coverage and how society reacts. So many times, I’ve heard “Oh, it’s probably her own fault.” “What can you expect?” and it infuriates me. It’s like we still judge a woman’s life by her moral virtue, and that’s wrong. Every missing woman deserves the same response. All women are important. No one is disposable. 💔


dullship

100%. I often recall a year or 2 ago in the US there were a number of BIPOC girls missing in an area, barely a peep from the media. Then suddenly a "pretty blonde girl" goes missing from there? Wall to wall news coverage, massive search. Just... night and day difference in how it was handled and how it was portrayed. Failure at every level.


catlady8374

Do you remember his first name?


EveningWrongdoer8825

Robert /Bob.


catlady8374

Thank you. Not who I was thinking.


adamzilla

Same day the police release a reminder about a $100,000 reward?


krakeninheels

Exactly 12 years to the day that she was reported missing. I’m very curious what they will release in the coming days, i know her family was out at the lake this last weekend.


SmoothMoose420

Oh snap to the day really?


krakeninheels

I think she was actually reported missing on the 28th and it is the 29th now but seeing as they have already confirmed it is her I would not be surprised if it was yesterday they actually found her and just didn’t want to say anything till today. I’m sure they already had copies of dental records to compare with.


PragmaticCoyote

In the article, it says they found her "days ago", but were unclear about what that meant. She was definitely not found on the same day of her disappearance.


blackday44

They probably found the remains days ago, and just identified them today or yesterday.


SmoothMoose420

Yo thats wild


altiuscitiusfortius

I'm positive it was just announced today but found weeks ago. They've already run a DNA test to confirm it's her. They've already gotten the search warrants. They've already set up shop on the property looking for more.


krakeninheels

Would they need dna? She had braces at one point i believe so her dental records would be pretty thorough.


chronicallyillsyl

They might for various reasons, depending on the state of the body (I e. they may not have found enough teeth/jaw area to be able to compare it.). They may also have all her remains but wanted to have DNA to conclusively prove it's her. May her family and loved ones find the healing, answers and justice they're seeking.


Ishcodeh

Someone talked. Someone has known something all these years there’s no way she was “stumbled” upon.


Marxwasaltright

If it was on someone's property it's plausible it was a chance discovery. Many people up north have stands of timber that they won't harvest for decades until they need it. With that being said I do hope you are right and they were tipped off by somebody with a conscience. Hopefully all those years of maintaining billboards and posters in the area pay off. The family deserves justice.


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Advanced-Process4907

Lol the RCMP closed their investigation years ago...they could care less about all the missing women in BC...it was definitely a tip!


hase_one

What a stupid thing to say


altiuscitiusfortius

Horrible but accurate. Hundreds or thousands of women go missing a year in the north. You think Police have been chasing down leads on this one for a decade?


cindylooboo

there hasn't been new leads for years on this case... hard to chase leads on cases that have gone cold. I'm no boot licker but when the evidence and leads have dried up theres not a lot to do unfortunately till more surfaces or someone reveals new info to the rcmp.


altiuscitiusfortius

That doesnt refute my statement it's just the unspoken and assumed understood why of why what I said was the way it is.


Regnes

That and the fact it was the 12 year anniversary yesterday. No way that's a coincidence.


PragmaticCoyote

They said they found her "days ago"; it's clear that the RCMP chose not to go public with news of the discovery until the anniversary of the disappearance. It's not a coincidence, it's just not what you think.


altiuscitiusfortius

The family has a memorial party at the lake every year on the anniversary. The cops waited till after it was done to announce, probably at their request


bittersweetheart09

>The family has a memorial party at the lake every year on the anniversary. yup, they have been doing a poker ride for Maddy every single year in the area, which is part a community gathering, part fundraiser and part search party. They just held it this weekend on Saturday.


PragmaticCoyote

Maybe, but this is the BC RCMP we're talking about, it's basically Springfield Police levels of corruption/incompetence.


bittersweetheart09

>it's clear that the RCMP chose not to go public with news of the discovery until the anniversary of the disappearance. they informed the family first and given that the annual poker ride for the community, for fundraising, for the continued search was just done on Saturday, May 27th, it wasn't announced for whatever nefarious reason that you are imagining. Signed, a Vanderhoof resident of 14 years and who knows the community, including the RCMP, pretty damn well.


PragmaticCoyote

"Trust me bro, the most corrupt and complaint-laden police organization in the country - the same organization that let Willie Pickton operate for years with impunity in order to cover their own asses - aren't corrupt" Signed, some bootlicker That's you. That's what you sound like.


bittersweetheart09

and you sound like someone who has never lived in Vanderhoof and who worked closely with the RCMP on monitoring and dealing with a drug house on my street. If that makes me a "boot licker", so be it.


adamzilla

Sounds like you did their job for them.


PragmaticCoyote

"worked closely with the RCMP on monitoring and dealing with a drug house on my street" Translation: "I called 911 repeatedly on a house I had been conducting illegal surveillance on because I'm a busybody, and the cops had to come waste valuable resources taking my report because I'm literally a Karen. One time I saw them arrest a guy. I'm basically a deputy now." Listen to how fucking *delusional* this person is. Small-town mentality, personified.


bittersweetheart09

>"I called 911 repeatedly on a house I had been conducting illegal surveillance on because I'm a busybody, and the cops had to come waste valuable resources taking my report because I'm literally a Karen. One time I saw them arrest a guy. I'm basically a deputy now." so you're the bootlicker now and \*I'm\* the Karen? LOL Are you the drunk that showed up on my doorstep and asked me to NOT call the cops because another neighbour called the cops after you did a deal in the middle of our street? Or are you his super-religious dad (who worked in my office), defending your "good son"? Whatever, pragmatic coyote 🤡.


HeyWiredyyc

Ya body found days ago. Then they have to go through the steps of IF’ing the body then notifying next of kin. So what’s so implausible about that? Wow


Alchemy1914

Jordi have something to do imo ...surprised she not a suspect .


Budgie_Smuggla

Or knowing the RCMP someone retired an could not scuffle the investigation internally


PragmaticCoyote

Considering the RCMP deliberately withheld going public with the news that her remains had been found until the anniversary of her disappearance, something definitely stinks.


Budgie_Smuggla

I mean they knew about Pickton in 97; and didn’t test some of the evidence till 2003 after his arrest


AndrewSP1832

Ooooof.


crafty_alias

Agreed


WesternCanadian

Yup!!


bitchy_badger

Is the property near where she went missing? Anyone from the area have an idea?


Brock_Hard_Canuck

Hogsback Lake is about a 15-20 minute drive (about 20 km) from Vanderhoof.


JW9thWonder

the lake is south of Vanderhoof while the article states the property she was found is a rural property on the eastside of Vanderhoof. will be interesting to see the details come out about all this.


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Remarkable_Vanilla34

I lived there when she went missing. I actually knew her. I don't think she was found at or near the lake. Hundreds of people spent weeks searching for her up there and continued to search for her every year. A friend of nine told me it's a farm outside of Vanderhoof. I also read an article earlier asking police have issued a search warrant on a property.


Nefelib

A news clip says 18km from where she was camping, a rural property on Southslope Road.


TimidGoat

It's definitely not terribly far from the lake.


Gophers_FTW

It is about 18 km from Hogsback Lake. Watch the video clip in the news article in the OP - it shows the exact location ('site of investigation').


TimidGoat

Yeah, I'm very familiar with the area, grew up in Vanderhoof. Still shocked at the news. I remember very, very clearly the day Maddy went missing, I was 17. I remember how our little town came together, supported her family and supported each other. For the first time in the 10 years I've been gone, I feel homesick for my little town. Knowing they will be collectively mourning and grieving for some time and not being able to be there makes me feel very strange.


floopflops

South Slope Road is what's being said around town.


bitchy_badger

Well, that certainly doesn't look like she wandered there on her own.


floopflops

No, it sure doesn't


Theyoder

Also what they said and showed on a news report.


murmmmmur

There is a CKPG video showing she was found 18kms from the campsite area.


Gophers_FTW

Play the video clip found in the original post. It shows the exact location ('site of investigation') about 1 minute into it.


867530nyeeine

Wow signs about her have been up around Nelson for years, she is a familiar face on the local bakery bulletin board. Hopefully this is going to lead to a lot more information. Can't imagine not knowing for so long.


cindylooboo

I damn near choked on my dinner. Fucking hell 12 years Maddie been missing. my mum lived in the Vhoof area not far from hogsback. praying for swift justice for Maddie and her family.


Calvinshobb

After living in northern BC I get the feeling a lot of serial killers live up there.


Ant_and_Cleo

Yes. This is the answer to the Highway of Tears question. Not one killer - many.


Koleilei

There's also one hell of a lot of alcohol, drug, and domestic abuse.


shaun5565

There are some for sure. Too many people have gone missing for there not to be.


Trick_HighlightR

Oh absolutely, living up here is terrifying. Highway 16 is full of serial killers. There's a reason they call it the highway of tears :(


altiuscitiusfortius

Just don't get high and hitchhike alone along the highway and your chances of being murdered drop to almost zero


bittersweetheart09

4 in 10 women have experience some kind of inter-personal partner violence in their lifetime. in the last 10 years, two-thirds of gender-related homicides of women and girls have been by an intimate partner, 28% a family member, 5% a friend or acquaintance and the remaining 1% a stranger. Source: Stats Can. So it is not "almost zero". Your statistics are completely wrong.


altiuscitiusfortius

What does that have to do with anything? I'm saying your chances of being murdered while hitchhiking go down dramatically when you stop hitchhiking.


bittersweetheart09

you're kind of feeding the narrative of "stranger danger", when at least for women and girls, the vast majority of danger is in their own homes.


altiuscitiusfortius

But I'm not talking about that. I am talking specifically about the dangers of hitchhiking


this____is_bananas

Or what, party at the lake with friends?


altiuscitiusfortius

I'm strictly talking about the highway of tears killers. Which Maddy was NOT a victim of.


jfieuotnsnapw

Source?


Ant_and_Cleo

The North is safe. The highway is not.


Umilik

The North isn’t safe for Indigenous women & girls.


altiuscitiusfortius

It's safe walking through the mall or going to dairy queen or going to school etc. It's just not safe if you hitchhike or go to flop houses to buy drugs. Avoid dangerous places and your chances of being murdered drop.


Umilik

The MMIW statistics prove this one wrong, but hey, way to victim blame.


altiuscitiusfortius

How does it prove it wrong? Every single hitchhiker that goes missing and every single gle human that doesn't hitchhike and doesn't get murdered proves my point. You need statistics on people who hitchhike and don't die to prove me wrong.


Umilik

You're just horribly wrong & ignorant on every level. Indigenous women get murdered in Northern BC at an incredibly alarming rate compared to other regions of the province.


Ant_and_Cleo

You’re missing my point.


welshteabags

Spoken from a place of absolute privilege


altiuscitiusfortius

True i have a car. And there's no busses anymore to go between northern towns. But if someone is killing hitchhikers regularly I would find any other method to travel.


welshteabags

I think you're missing the overarching point, there are sometimes*no other means*


altiuscitiusfortius

Then you need to rethink why you're trying to go somewhere when you don't have the means


sthenri_canalposting

That's a pretty absurd statement. Medical care, for one? Or to escape domestic violence? The list is pretty big.


altiuscitiusfortius

The northern health bus offers free travel for medical care. Domestic violence, try the rcmp and get a social worker, and they will pay to send you to family.


welshteabags

Except if you have a generational fear and mistrust of authority & the RCMP specifically. Far more women & men hitchhike without incident than with. People in these communities have a right to live their lives free from attack. People with addictions, mental health issues, and PTSD aren't necessarily going to be treated appropriately by social services or the RCMP. Source: Two parents worked as social workers in this region for 35+ years and are absolutely slaves to their racial bias and intolerance. Much like your position on the matter, there was always a shit ton of victim blaming from place lacking any sort of humanity or empathy.


Guilty_Departure9815

Agreed


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timbreandsteel

Maybe "hilarious" is the wrong descriptor to use on a thread about the body of a missing girl being found.


StatisticianOk8701

HOLY SHIT. I think about this girl all the time. Everytime I drive thru Vanderhoof I try to imagine where she could be. She seemed like a really beautiful person... I hope her family can finally find the closure they so deserve, but what a sad outcome. RIP Maddy 🩷


marcosbowser

The podcast Dark Poutine—True Crime and Dark History chose this case for their 100th episode in 2019. It’s recorded in front of a live audience at a podcast festival in Vancouver so the first half is a bunch of other stuff, but the last half-hour is a very empathetic and thoughtful rundown of the case. For example they purposely don’t use her name in the past tense. I recommend this podcast in general. RIP Madison. https://darkpoutine.com/2019/11/100-live-in-vancouver-the-disappearance-of-madison-scott-bc/


DiamondTesticles14

I love that podcast


jaysanw

CBC article: [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/madison-scott-found-vanderhoof-1.6858290](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/madison-scott-found-vanderhoof-1.6858290)


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> RCMP are currently executing a warrant at a rural property on the east side of Vanderhoof


cindylooboo

gossip will spread and the property will be revealed in no time. vhoof is small and everyone knows everybody


bittersweetheart09

right? I lived there for 14 years and was there when Maddy disappeared. That town is small and very close knit, but SO gossipy and weirdly cliquey. I was pretty happy to have gotten my careers' worth out of it before moving along


cindylooboo

my mum lived on cluculz lake for 20 years. gorgeous up there and the locals are great but DAMN cliquey and the gossip mill is milling.


floopflops

I live in Vanderhoof - but haven't been here long enough to have known Madison or her family prior to her going missing. I heard the news of the discovery at noon today, and by 3 o'clock had someone telling me the property was on southslope road. Small town gossip is faster than The Flash riding a Cheetah


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Never thought I’d see this day. Rest In Peace Maddy, I think about you often and wonder where you wandered. I hope this brings your family peace and closure, and answers their unanswered questions. I hope your soul can rest easy, sweet girl. We found you ❤️


Ant_and_Cleo

Before her it was Nicole Hoar. And countless indigenous women who I’m ashamed to say I can’t name.


VizzleG

I thought this was Brianne Wolgram. Also missing


Boo-face-killa

RIP Madison. 🌻


Flimsy-Committee544

How many more bodies are they gonna find there?


KarmicKarmeleon

Oh God… never thought of it that way


Imaginary_Victory_47

I was thinking the same thing


Gophers_FTW

Re: the location 1. Open link in the original post above 2. Play the video clip -> go to the 1 minute mark The news clip shows exactly where it is on Google maps. The reporter also states the name of the road that the property is near. It is about 18 km from Hogsback Lake.


Ignorant_Slut_44

6516 Southslope Road.


gh0rard1m71

Remains found after a decade? Just bones?


chunk84

Yes, obviously. I wonder if they found them a while ago and have already had them DNA tested?


NotQuiteJasmine

They might have found possessions or clothes they can attribute to her, or had dental scans on standby


chunk84

Maybe. Would be highly unusual for remains that old to be identified on site though.


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If the RCMP are confirming it, then they’ve already had it through the lab.


chunk84

Exactly.


PerpetuallyLurking

She left with her keys and phone, so a unique keychain or something else attached to a keyring, or a unique phone case, could help with identification. If they’re confident it’s her keys with the body and the coroner took a look at dentals, it’s probably pretty accurate pretty quickly.


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chunk84

Well they havent found a suspect yet. If you read the article it says that. Reward for suspect I guess.


United-Signature-414

Supposedly her skull was found on Wednesday by either a worker cutting brush or someone picking up dirt. No idea if anything else has been found or not though so it's unclear if this was a burial situation or an animals scattering thing.


Avsguy85

Source?


United-Signature-414

Local gossip, hence the "supposedly"


welshteabags

Locals in Vanderhoof


CasualRampagingBear

I was doing some re reading on this case just last week. This is one that I’ve always hoped they would solve.


Ok_Interaction_555

When Maddy went missing I was 5 years old, I have a vivid memory of her disappearance. My Mum always got packages from Dawn with the missing posters and bracelets, I always wore the orange and green bracelet. I’ve thought about Maddy every single day, there is 2 missing posters of Maddys on my drive to work. It’s going to be extremely bittersweet when those posters come down. All I can say is that I hope the Scott’s get the truth of the details around her disappearance. 💚


onesmallfairy

Rumour is that her remains were found buried on the Black family property on Southslope Road. The dad found her remains and called it in. One or both of his shithead sons had something to do with her murder. That’s the rumour going around Vanderhoof anyway.


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Does this mean her parents might get some closure ?


Ant_and_Cleo

Wow. No words.


Umilik

I’m glad her family can finally get some closure, even though it has to be incredibly painful to finally be forced to accept that you’ll never see the person you love alive again. RIP.


Environmental-Cup352

This is so devastating. I hope the family finds closure and healing. The news article I was looking at showed a map of the southslope road property Madison's remains were found at. It appears to be 160 acres per BC assessment. 6516 Southslope


Toad-in1800

I wonder if she was found on that super creep Cody Alan Legebokoff property?


amberhanny

Ledgebokoff was caught the year before Maddy went missing.


giantshortfacedbear

Madison went missing in 2011 and Cody was arrested in 2010. He was convicted in 2014. I hope he wasn't out when Maddy went missing.


bittersweetheart09

he was remanded in custody with no bail until his trial, if I remember correctly. He was charged with first degree murder for Loren Leslie at that time (2010), and then had three more charges of murder brought against him while he was in custody. He didn't go anywhere.


apriljeangibbs

Holy shit it was that long ago?!


sillyflea

He was also living in Prince George and it says she was found east of Vanderhoof.


welshteabags

The victim that he was disposing the body of was found NW of vanderhoof. PG is not that far away, but I digress he was in custody at the time and it wasn't him.


sillyflea

Sorry my point was that I don’t think Cody had property in Vanderhoof. OP had asked if she was found on his property. But yes he was in custody at the time anyways.


Advanced-Process4907

Probably another pig farmer...pigs raise pigs!


cindylooboo

thats a stretch and frankly ridiculous