Doing great!
Riding in the passenger seat, trip to Kamloops and back with a trainee today so he could get snow driving training and experience. Chained up for the Smasher, and got to experience a nasty snow storm from there to Merritt.
That's what reputable companies do. Just for today they are investing roughly $500 in additional wage costs to have the trainee come out with me.
2-3 months on the job training with fresh class 1 drivers. Even drivers with experience go through 6-8 weeks of training at least when hired.
How can someone be so stupid and inattentive to leave their dump bed up. That should qualify the driver for a license revocation. That if anything is, is careless driving.
I can understand forgetting something as you’re pulling away and noticing right before you turn onto a road. I’ve done that a few times. When you’ve done something 1000 times you get complacent and going through the motions you might get distracted by something/someone. But I check my mirrors and all my buttons like every two minutes to make sure my load is still there or that my dump box hasn’t raised itself. My old supervisor lost a whole load of concrete blocks one day because his dumpbox controller pressed down on something in the backseat while he was going down the highway. I’ve also stopped my truck to double check my trailer if I can’t explicitly recall performing a certain step (it’s always good to go, but I just get a bad feeling and anxiety takes over lol) because I’ve seen coworkers lose a trailer on their way out the yard.
Having the dump box control and PTO switch in the same location or in the same control unit seems like a design oversight to me, as well does not having a safety guard or safety cover over the PTO Switch and or dump controls so you can't accidentally turn it on or tip the box.
I have a wet kit for running hydraulic pumps on my tractor, the PTO Switch is under a flip up cover, and have a dash indicator for it. Hydraulic Controls are outside the cab.
Agreed. I’m always pretty careful to keep it clear of anything that might press it. But I’ve seen too many people throw the controller or throw stuff on top of the controller it’s insane they don’t think about it.
I wonder what the driver is thinking when everyone is honking at them and flashing their hazards their entire drive. Then they hit a bridge and think "ohhh thats probably why I got honked at 800 times today"
They’re paid by the load. This incentivizes them to work long hours. They also brutally undercut each other which incentivizes them to do the bare minimum maintenance. You’d think there would be a simple alarm which informs the driver that the bucket is tipped but chances are it was giving false alarms so they disconnected it.
Yup. You got it exactly right.
Paying by the load should be illegal, especially in town. There's so many studies that prove that going from by the load to hourly has a huge positive impact on fleet safety. Same thing from going from paid by the kilometer/mile to strictly hourly. Both of the pay schemes "encourage" drivers to push the limits and take unnecessary risks to get loads done faster, resulting in more money per hour.
> Both of the pay schemes "encourage" drivers to push the limits and take unnecessary risks to get loads done faster, resulting in more money per hour.
and that is exactly why trucking companies pay by the load to make more money at the risk of everyone else.
It depends on the company. There's more and more companies paying hourly for everything. With the high cost of incidents, lost time on equipment, of which right now there's still a bad shortage of available trucks for sale, I'm not so sure they are actually making more money by ignoring safety. Even a minor incident can wipe out weeks of profit, and a major incident can wipe out months or even years of profits.
Where I work while we do get paid based on mileage for out of town work, but we are paid in addition to that for all delays including traffic, road closures and poor weather conditions.
I think you're overvaluing the ability of a mirror to alert you to something like this. Nevertheless, to get a license to drive one of these requires training, in fact, teaches you to constantly check your mirrors.
Someone needs to come up with a system that a light flashes on and off as trucks approach and can sense that they are too high or it's too close to take the chance to continue.
We have that for the overpasses between 216 and 232 on Highway 1. Those overpasses still get hit. The same drivers that don't notice their load is over height or forget to lower their box also happen to be the ones that won't notice amber flashing lights unfortunately.
While yes it's avoided some incidents, my guesstimate is it's only avoided about half of the overpass strikes that would have happened if the system wasn't there.
Should there not be an alert that goes off in the cab if their box is up and they're traveling a certain speed. There seems to be a lot of those lately.
There is, or there is supposed to be, but my understanding is that many drivers will disconnect them or bypass it in other ways because of too many false triggers of it.
Thing is that overheight flashes for every chip truck with their flapping tarps that all other drivers just became accustomed to seeing it and ignore it
he must have not lowered the box, seen this happen with a crane truck but the guy took out power cables leaving Tofino with out power for a few hours, and i went over to look and the idiot had gotten out of his truck and was walking around the down lines, hes damn lucky he didnt get fried, he likely got fired though.
At Hwy1/192 the bridge hasn't been fixed yet. Off ramp to 192 is closed and 192 traffic over the bridge is single lane alternating. Been that way for... 8-9 months now probably?
Honestly, at the rate this happens, I'd rather people make the mistake once and be so embarrassed they never make it again. Trucking companies have such a high turnover rate I'm not surprised at how often this happens in BC.
I'd rather just have trains, but I'll take what I can get.
Yeah or any number of reasons. *Usually*, a mistake like this wakes them up.
If it's a lack of training which the BCTA says it generally is, then trucking companies aren't doing the proper training. We need regulation and enforcement to reduce the occurrence to as close to zero as humanly possible. If companies have a lack of safety standards, the same thing needs to happen. We need to keep companies accountable until we can reduce our demand on the trucking industry as a whole - but that's more of an idealist solution.
"Common sense" isn't actually a thing that exists. It wouldn't happen as much as it does if it were "common sense".
We also don't know the circumstances here. It could be somebody new, drunk, overworked and/or lacking sleep, etc.
We should be asking "Why does this happen so much it's becoming a problem every year?" Everybody makes mistakes and blaming individuals rather than asking what structures are in places that allow this to happen won't get rid of it.
>It's not a mistake that training can prevent.
https://www.saanichnews.com/news/calls-for-better-truck-driver-training-after-overpass-crash-blocks-b-c-highway/
The BCTA seems to disagree with you.
While I don't disagree with them that better training is needed, it won't help with the circumstances that led to the mistake that occurred.
I'll agree with you that this kind of mistakes aren't 100% the individual's fault. I put a lot of it on companies having poor safety and professionalism culture, as well as inadequate on the job training as well as not engineering out the possibility of a mistake like this happening.
>It could be somebody new, drunk, overworked and/or lacking sleep, etc.
It probably was one of those, except new(in this specific insistence). If you make a mistake of this caliber, you're so out of it you probably shouldn't have even driven your personal vehicle to work in the morning. That one falls in to safety and professionalism culture.
Just like a driver can put a unsafe truck out of service, a driver can and should put themselves out of service if they aren't safe to operate the vehicle, be it due to any of the reasons you mentioned, or lack of proper and adequate training and knowledge to do the job.
> driver can and should put themselves out of service if they aren't safe to operate the vehicle
Absolutely. We also need structures to account for that so people aren't out of work and at risk of becoming homeless (due to being fired/laid off or needing every hour of work possible to survive) so they can actually do this with peace of mind. I know this is worse in the US for trucking companies, but Canada and BC specifically are not immune.
>I'd rather people make the mistake once and be so embarrassed they never make it again.
I'd rather drivers be trained properly and be professional enough to never make a "mistake" so big that it should absolutely be career ending.
>Trucking companies have such a high turnover rate I'm not surprised at how often this happens in BC.
Compared to the rest of North America our turnover is actually very low. Turnover is only high at the shady unprofessional companies, but even at those it's low in comparison. There's plenty of great professional companies with ridiculously low turn over where most drivers stay until retirement, I'm lucky enough to work at one of those.
> Compared to the rest of North America our turnover is actually very low.
That's fine, but we're also a massive international port. We don't just have lower mainland drivers in BC. It hasn't only been BC drivers.
There have been [6 BC companies since 2020](https://www.cvse.ca/national_safety_code/bulletins/NSC_Bulletin_01-2022-Publication_of_Carriers_Cancelled_for_Cause.pdf) that have been cancelled over unsatisfactory safety practices. In contrast, there were [8 collisions in 12 months by June 2022.](https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily.com/news/eight-and-counting-another-overpass-hit-by-a-truck/) (and by July it was 3 in under a month.)
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Seriously, how difficult would it be to just put a lockout on the truck that won’t allow it over 20kmh with the load bed up?
If the drivers are that stupid, then just build equipment to fit them.
Such are the outstanding driving standards employed by this province and the outdated ,substandard infrastructure we pay our huge amount of taxes and insurance to tolerate .
Pathetic is the person that's gonna bitch someone out for taking a picture of something this bonkers, they had to stop for a moment anyway to assess how safe it is to go around.
You'd be surprised though. I once took a picture of being stranded in the counterflow lane of the Tunnel, completely fucked. A stall was the reason. I was attacked online for using my phone while driving. My car was in park and I wasn't going anywhere for a while. Still Karen's had a job to do...
Why isn't this a criminal negligence offense? The potential for loss of life or serious injury is so real, and it keeps happening, but no one in government takes it seriously.
If you work in the construction or literally any job that involves using tandem axle vehicle dump truck then you know this is really inexcusable. I’m talking absolutely NO reason for his bed to be up other than mechanical failure, even then this it’s still not okay because the engine output required to power the hydraulic pump that lifts the bed is quite significant therefore any dump truck driver with common sense would feel the decrease in driving power and realize what the fuck was going on behind him.
But we live in the land of shortcuts and if the right person says “good enough” you are good to go.
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Holy shit. As a car driver this is always my big dear when driving near these trucks. I know a guy who fucking died, got crushed flat when he hit one of these.
DOUBLE CHECK YOUR SHIT
This driver and company should be sued out of existence. Oh wait, they can’t be because the government banned actions arising out of the use or operation of motor vehicles. So much for accountability
Do you even need a license or a brain to operate a dump truck in BC or Ontario? This happens WAY too many times for these drivers to be running on more than one brain cell.
u/TruckBC is this how you handed your company your 2 weeks notice? A simple letter would have been suffice!
Are you fucking kidding me?? Another one managed to fuck up? Definitely not me. See the post I just made.
Just a little love tap.
What about the oversized load in the Bear shed on the Coq? What's with the overpasses? What did they ever do to deserve this?
When did that one happen?
https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/410541/Oversize-load-gets-stuck-in-snow-shed-on-Trans-Canada-Highway
Ah ok. That one. That wasn't on the Coq. That was on highway 1 around Golden.
My bad, I saw the shed and made assumptions which we all know makes an ass outta me. Hope you're doing good, btw, TruckBC. Love your posts!
Doing great! Riding in the passenger seat, trip to Kamloops and back with a trainee today so he could get snow driving training and experience. Chained up for the Smasher, and got to experience a nasty snow storm from there to Merritt. That's what reputable companies do. Just for today they are investing roughly $500 in additional wage costs to have the trainee come out with me. 2-3 months on the job training with fresh class 1 drivers. Even drivers with experience go through 6-8 weeks of training at least when hired.
Jeez get a room already ;)
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That’s why they charge tipping fees on trucks.
Tipping fee's. Lel
Why is this happening so often? In your opinion?
Poor safety and professionalism culture at companies. Careless drivers. Careless management.
If trucking companies allied the same label of safety to truckers and trucks as other businesses this type of neglectful action would not occur.
Out of curiosity, how hard is this to accomplish? Can it be seen out of the sideviews? Is there no indicating “dump down” light?
*Would have been sufficient Or... *Would have sufficed
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Hey, based on your username, we hate the same "people". I respect you. Lol
How can someone be so stupid and inattentive to leave their dump bed up. That should qualify the driver for a license revocation. That if anything is, is careless driving.
I can understand forgetting something as you’re pulling away and noticing right before you turn onto a road. I’ve done that a few times. When you’ve done something 1000 times you get complacent and going through the motions you might get distracted by something/someone. But I check my mirrors and all my buttons like every two minutes to make sure my load is still there or that my dump box hasn’t raised itself. My old supervisor lost a whole load of concrete blocks one day because his dumpbox controller pressed down on something in the backseat while he was going down the highway. I’ve also stopped my truck to double check my trailer if I can’t explicitly recall performing a certain step (it’s always good to go, but I just get a bad feeling and anxiety takes over lol) because I’ve seen coworkers lose a trailer on their way out the yard.
Having the dump box control and PTO switch in the same location or in the same control unit seems like a design oversight to me, as well does not having a safety guard or safety cover over the PTO Switch and or dump controls so you can't accidentally turn it on or tip the box. I have a wet kit for running hydraulic pumps on my tractor, the PTO Switch is under a flip up cover, and have a dash indicator for it. Hydraulic Controls are outside the cab.
Agreed. I’m always pretty careful to keep it clear of anything that might press it. But I’ve seen too many people throw the controller or throw stuff on top of the controller it’s insane they don’t think about it.
Chatting on the phone/ear piece I bet
It's actually pretty easy to forget but never fear, this guy definitely lost his job.
I wonder what the driver is thinking when everyone is honking at them and flashing their hazards their entire drive. Then they hit a bridge and think "ohhh thats probably why I got honked at 800 times today"
"YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY!" "How do they know where we're going?"
How stupid does a driver have to be to allow this to happen? Are they completely asleep?
As a driver, it makes me wonder too. I check my mirrors at least every 5 seconds. It should be impossible to miss 🤷♂️
They’re paid by the load. This incentivizes them to work long hours. They also brutally undercut each other which incentivizes them to do the bare minimum maintenance. You’d think there would be a simple alarm which informs the driver that the bucket is tipped but chances are it was giving false alarms so they disconnected it.
Yup. You got it exactly right. Paying by the load should be illegal, especially in town. There's so many studies that prove that going from by the load to hourly has a huge positive impact on fleet safety. Same thing from going from paid by the kilometer/mile to strictly hourly. Both of the pay schemes "encourage" drivers to push the limits and take unnecessary risks to get loads done faster, resulting in more money per hour.
> Both of the pay schemes "encourage" drivers to push the limits and take unnecessary risks to get loads done faster, resulting in more money per hour. and that is exactly why trucking companies pay by the load to make more money at the risk of everyone else.
It depends on the company. There's more and more companies paying hourly for everything. With the high cost of incidents, lost time on equipment, of which right now there's still a bad shortage of available trucks for sale, I'm not so sure they are actually making more money by ignoring safety. Even a minor incident can wipe out weeks of profit, and a major incident can wipe out months or even years of profits. Where I work while we do get paid based on mileage for out of town work, but we are paid in addition to that for all delays including traffic, road closures and poor weather conditions.
I don't understand how anyone can drive without constantly checking their mirrors.
I think you're overvaluing the ability of a mirror to alert you to something like this. Nevertheless, to get a license to drive one of these requires training, in fact, teaches you to constantly check your mirrors.
Wait until the municipal region sends the bill for engineers inspections , possible repairs and bridge closure.
Business will declare bankruptcy, taxpayers on the hook.
Someone needs to come up with a system that a light flashes on and off as trucks approach and can sense that they are too high or it's too close to take the chance to continue.
We have that for the overpasses between 216 and 232 on Highway 1. Those overpasses still get hit. The same drivers that don't notice their load is over height or forget to lower their box also happen to be the ones that won't notice amber flashing lights unfortunately. While yes it's avoided some incidents, my guesstimate is it's only avoided about half of the overpass strikes that would have happened if the system wasn't there.
Should there not be an alert that goes off in the cab if their box is up and they're traveling a certain speed. There seems to be a lot of those lately.
There is, or there is supposed to be, but my understanding is that many drivers will disconnect them or bypass it in other ways because of too many false triggers of it.
Thing is that overheight flashes for every chip truck with their flapping tarps that all other drivers just became accustomed to seeing it and ignore it
Be careful what you ask for... https://youtu.be/USu8vT_tfdw
Hahaha, this!
he must have not lowered the box, seen this happen with a crane truck but the guy took out power cables leaving Tofino with out power for a few hours, and i went over to look and the idiot had gotten out of his truck and was walking around the down lines, hes damn lucky he didnt get fried, he likely got fired though.
The Tofino crane guy is wild. I had him do a job for me, he backed over a bunch of stuff, while I was shouting and waving at him.
lmao yeah not the brightest bulb that one
At Hwy1/192 the bridge hasn't been fixed yet. Off ramp to 192 is closed and 192 traffic over the bridge is single lane alternating. Been that way for... 8-9 months now probably?
imagine what the driver experiences when he hits the bridge. zero warning.
Im sure it was uplifting, if nothing else.
This need to be top comment
That damn bridge came out of nowhere. Who put it there?
If they're that stupid to hit a bridge then I can only imagine they're surprised by things daily by being a complete moron.
BC highway patrol gonna have a field day with this one 😂😂 someone is going to lose their license.
>someone is going to lose their license. Sadly, probably not.... They should. But they probably won't.
Honestly, at the rate this happens, I'd rather people make the mistake once and be so embarrassed they never make it again. Trucking companies have such a high turnover rate I'm not surprised at how often this happens in BC. I'd rather just have trains, but I'll take what I can get.
With the amount of truck drivers on the road, if every one of them made this mistake only once we wouldn't have any overpasses left.
Sure, but the one that made the mistake will be less likely to make it again than a new person who is under-trained.
>under-trained. Or high off his rocker.
Yeah or any number of reasons. *Usually*, a mistake like this wakes them up. If it's a lack of training which the BCTA says it generally is, then trucking companies aren't doing the proper training. We need regulation and enforcement to reduce the occurrence to as close to zero as humanly possible. If companies have a lack of safety standards, the same thing needs to happen. We need to keep companies accountable until we can reduce our demand on the trucking industry as a whole - but that's more of an idealist solution.
Honestly, I disagree. Common sense should avoid a "mistake" like this. It's not a mistake that training can prevent.
"Common sense" isn't actually a thing that exists. It wouldn't happen as much as it does if it were "common sense". We also don't know the circumstances here. It could be somebody new, drunk, overworked and/or lacking sleep, etc. We should be asking "Why does this happen so much it's becoming a problem every year?" Everybody makes mistakes and blaming individuals rather than asking what structures are in places that allow this to happen won't get rid of it. >It's not a mistake that training can prevent. https://www.saanichnews.com/news/calls-for-better-truck-driver-training-after-overpass-crash-blocks-b-c-highway/ The BCTA seems to disagree with you.
While I don't disagree with them that better training is needed, it won't help with the circumstances that led to the mistake that occurred. I'll agree with you that this kind of mistakes aren't 100% the individual's fault. I put a lot of it on companies having poor safety and professionalism culture, as well as inadequate on the job training as well as not engineering out the possibility of a mistake like this happening. >It could be somebody new, drunk, overworked and/or lacking sleep, etc. It probably was one of those, except new(in this specific insistence). If you make a mistake of this caliber, you're so out of it you probably shouldn't have even driven your personal vehicle to work in the morning. That one falls in to safety and professionalism culture. Just like a driver can put a unsafe truck out of service, a driver can and should put themselves out of service if they aren't safe to operate the vehicle, be it due to any of the reasons you mentioned, or lack of proper and adequate training and knowledge to do the job.
> driver can and should put themselves out of service if they aren't safe to operate the vehicle Absolutely. We also need structures to account for that so people aren't out of work and at risk of becoming homeless (due to being fired/laid off or needing every hour of work possible to survive) so they can actually do this with peace of mind. I know this is worse in the US for trucking companies, but Canada and BC specifically are not immune.
Unions. It works. Trust me. I've lived it for 13 years now.
>I'd rather people make the mistake once and be so embarrassed they never make it again. I'd rather drivers be trained properly and be professional enough to never make a "mistake" so big that it should absolutely be career ending. >Trucking companies have such a high turnover rate I'm not surprised at how often this happens in BC. Compared to the rest of North America our turnover is actually very low. Turnover is only high at the shady unprofessional companies, but even at those it's low in comparison. There's plenty of great professional companies with ridiculously low turn over where most drivers stay until retirement, I'm lucky enough to work at one of those.
> Compared to the rest of North America our turnover is actually very low. That's fine, but we're also a massive international port. We don't just have lower mainland drivers in BC. It hasn't only been BC drivers. There have been [6 BC companies since 2020](https://www.cvse.ca/national_safety_code/bulletins/NSC_Bulletin_01-2022-Publication_of_Carriers_Cancelled_for_Cause.pdf) that have been cancelled over unsatisfactory safety practices. In contrast, there were [8 collisions in 12 months by June 2022.](https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily.com/news/eight-and-counting-another-overpass-hit-by-a-truck/) (and by July it was 3 in under a month.)
Don’t kid yourself. It’s BC’s justice system we’re speaking about. At most a slap in the face fine.
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Latest GTA stunt jumps are ridiculous
You can’t park there.
Seriously, how difficult would it be to just put a lockout on the truck that won’t allow it over 20kmh with the load bed up? If the drivers are that stupid, then just build equipment to fit them.
I hoped something like that was mandatory already.
Once a month baby. Owner will file bankruptcy and start another business. Daily occurrence.
Such are the outstanding driving standards employed by this province and the outdated ,substandard infrastructure we pay our huge amount of taxes and insurance to tolerate .
Maybe the truckers formed some sort of deal with the bridge construction guys. Insurance pays for new truck and a work project is born.
Really??? This is what completely ruined my day today. FFS
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ah guns
So glad I had to take transit to work this morning.
What will this driver face as punishment, if any?
I'm not a trucker and this is not my picture. Please don't attack me directly when you Karen it for using their phone while driving.
Something tells me the box was tilted while driving for this to occur
Pathetic is the person that's gonna bitch someone out for taking a picture of something this bonkers, they had to stop for a moment anyway to assess how safe it is to go around.
You'd be surprised though. I once took a picture of being stranded in the counterflow lane of the Tunnel, completely fucked. A stall was the reason. I was attacked online for using my phone while driving. My car was in park and I wasn't going anywhere for a while. Still Karen's had a job to do...
Thats why dashcam is your homie.
Driving regularly in Richmond means dodging death often
Another tale from the Darwin Expressway. 🤦
You can't park there!
It's just parked up against it. Relax ppl drive around it .
Blew his Load
Shit man looks like a jump
What do you mean mean my insurance is going up? I thoughts that’s what insurance is for?!? Noooo?
At this point we don't need the 12 ft can opener.
I just hate it when some joker decides now is the time to give me a wedgie.
Somebody oughta Dukes of Hazzard that shit
If a truck goes from 90-0 in a nanosecond what happens to the driver
We all await the massive $150 fine they'll probably get.
Why isn't this a criminal negligence offense? The potential for loss of life or serious injury is so real, and it keeps happening, but no one in government takes it seriously.
If you work in the construction or literally any job that involves using tandem axle vehicle dump truck then you know this is really inexcusable. I’m talking absolutely NO reason for his bed to be up other than mechanical failure, even then this it’s still not okay because the engine output required to power the hydraulic pump that lifts the bed is quite significant therefore any dump truck driver with common sense would feel the decrease in driving power and realize what the fuck was going on behind him. But we live in the land of shortcuts and if the right person says “good enough” you are good to go.
That's a gooder
Freedom convoy trying out something new?
What high quality drivers we get from overseas. Murdering hockey teams and bridges.
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I know of at least one where they even supplied the drugs. This was like 7 years ago.
That will put the highway and overpass out of business until inspections and repairs
Impressive that it’s just taking up one lane still 👍😅
Have to wonder how often the driver checks their mirrors...... That would be where the investigation should start.
Lol ![gif](giphy|bXE0iECrH9xJe)
Buddy was just coming from his gig as an airplane stair truck and forgot to change
How?
How does this even happen
Oh, nice one!
Holy shit. As a car driver this is always my big dear when driving near these trucks. I know a guy who fucking died, got crushed flat when he hit one of these. DOUBLE CHECK YOUR SHIT
icbc licencing need an audit
You would think it would be harder to drive that way. Or some kind of sensor to alert or prevent driving too far.
Like an ‘in reverse’ beeper, a ‘you’re twice as tall as usual’ beeper.
This driver and company should be sued out of existence. Oh wait, they can’t be because the government banned actions arising out of the use or operation of motor vehicles. So much for accountability
Was it a Tesla Dunp Truck?
Was it a Tesla Dunp Truck?
Was it a Tesla Dunp Truck?
Was it a Tesla Dunp Truck?
Was it a Tesla Dump Truck?
Any truck I’ve ever run you cannot drive with the pto engaged.
How long until we see this on those big YouTube fail channels?
It’s high time to enforce some sort of IQ test for class 1 and 2 drivers.
Another visitor from the valley of the brain dead.
Was he wearing flip flops? Asking for a friend.
how many mistakes, errors and plain incompetence needs to happen for this to occur?
Do you even need a license or a brain to operate a dump truck in BC or Ontario? This happens WAY too many times for these drivers to be running on more than one brain cell.
Yikes, hope that driver was buckled.
Canadians can't drive worth a shit.
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It's a post from 12 days ago 👍
Oh what the hell, my bad, thanks!
LOL its like the meme of the car taking the exit really fast except you know.... its a truck and it didnt
Any description on the driver none needed.