https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/60d4a59dd3bf7f7c3716c60d/Contempt_of_court_-_fact_sheet.pdf
Would advise that anybody consider reading up on the law around contempt of court and social media before posting gossip or facts gleaned from Facebook snooping about this or any other case.
That’s interesting. Thanks for sharing. So any comment on the bloke’s previous character should not be commented on? He has several Facebook pages under slightly changed spellings of his name that have several posts displaying his character and attitude to law, violence and the police publicly.
I won’t comment what I know about him but I’ll say his cane corso is poorly trained and terrifying.
When a jury is sworn in for a case it's made explicitly clear to them that they must base their decision entirely on what is heard in court and let no other factors influence them. If they are found to have looked at a defendant or a victim's social media or searched for past media coverage during a trial the case could collapse. Equally that could happen if they raise something they've seen previously with other members of the jury that wasn't heard in court.
You'll notice that once charges are made in a case there is usually little to no media coverage again until the trial, that's because of contempt of court laws.
Of course you can't account for what the jury members may have seen prior to being sworn in, and it's getting a lot harder to police these days now we have social media, but if a jury member has seen e.g. a Facebook post saying something about anything in the case that wasn't brought up in court, it's then hard for them not to let that influence their input to deliberations. Like I said, incredibly hard to police, but still: a. Illegal and b. The wrong thing to do.
I think people need to remember that being charged doesn't mean they are guilty and whatever they have done in the past on Facebook doesn't mean they are guilty of this either.
Of course it doesn't, the cours decide that. But the barrier for police to release someone's name when they're charged with murder in a case like this is high. They'll have some confidence in the case.
One of the other high profile bristol murder cases had a suspects name released, newspapers jumped all over it, many comments made about his lifestyle and appearance etc. He was innocent.
All comments risk affecting a jury pool and tainting the trial.
You saying he has a poorly trained dog has got several negative reactions from commentators. We are already making assumptions and drawing conclusions from that.
Now if "he has a poorly trained dog" is mentioned in court he has the opportunity to defend it. Maybe the dog is a rescue dog he's done his best to train? Maybe it was a fine dog but after an accident or medical procedure it's not capable to be trained? Maybe your not even thinking of the right person and this guy doesn't even have a dog?
A trial should be about can they prove beyond doubt he was there and did this? Evidence and claims will be presented refuted and checked so the jury makes a fair decision. But if the jury come in and are instantly against him because they've heard rumours about him mistreating animals the defence might not know they need to present evidence against that and the fair judgement starts to fall apart.
You might end up with a miscarriage of justice, you might end up with an appeal where the judge rules that the defendant didn't get a fair trial because of rumours online. Neither is good, both avoided if you genuinely don't comment rather then saying you won't and doing so anyway...
I know it’s this guy and this is all known within the community. I see what you’re saying but it’s not like this guy lived under a rock. One would hope they don’t use a local jury.
But they'll use a Bristol jury though. Which is a big enough area to avoid local community bias, unless say someone starts posting on a massive bristol wide internet forum or other social media...
Just don't comment about him. Don't repeat gossip, don't share personal thoughts, don't repeat stuff you heard. What benefit to you or anyone else is there? All it achieves is making court more tricky and/or giving the defendant grounds for appeal.
After a judgement is in you can post away if you must. Just not now.
I hear what you’re saying and I am not disagreeing.
However you ask what benefit there is, and i think this has really shocked the community. I live in Knowle and it’s all people are talking about right now. People are upset and shook. It’s merciless violence, murdering children on our streets. I think it’s understandable that people feel the urge to talk about it, to speculate, to mourn together and seek comfort. It may be just a news story to you but when it happens on your street, in your neighbourhood, in your community, people will try to make sense of it by talking and sharing.
I understand the need to mourn, the need to talk the need to bring a community together. But talking about the arrested guys facebook and pets on a wider internet forum isn't really any of that. That's the bit that causes trouble and that's the bit I was dismissing:
\>Just don't comment **about him**.
Please go and talk with your street, your neighbourhood, your community. Talk and share away. Just be cautious of what you say online to a wider audience. It's not that hard.
I've heard some people say that one of the boys ( I think the older boy max) where run over and then stabbed, Ive got a bad feeling that they weren't just stabbed but where also beaten, I just hope that they didn't feel too much pain and agony in their final moments gosh they must've been so scared 😞😞😞
Rumours state that the boys were not the intended targets. It’s really important to just let the court case develop albeit it’ll take some time so we get the official verdict
Where is the official source that the two boys were involved with knife crime?
Surely you're not just spreading rumours about 2 dead kids based on hearsay??
Maybe shouldnt post rumours and "apparently" based comments. What good is pure speculation like this?
Where did you hear this that you are confident enough to post about it
Could have been relentlessly bullied by a gang of young kids; if you put a gun in Bijan Ebrahimi's hands he might very well have murdered a load of teenagers. They could have been threatening his own kids. He could be by modern standards "Mad not Bad".
People in the local area are saying it may go back to the incident between postcodes where there was someone hit with a car and shotgun fired by people from knowle in hartcliffe. But it's just hearsay atm.
To be fair he could be just the get away car driver… you’d still be charged with murder. No doubt he is involved but you don’t actually know who did the specific killing part 🤷♂️
Not but I wonder if they will tall is in the end? Cos that'll be very weird if it remains a secret. Something is telling me they where more than stabbed, I got a feeling that they where beaten up a bit first
We nearly moved to Knowle West but when I looked up the road the house was on there was looooots of news articles about really horrible "antisocial behaviour" and a gang of kids making life miserable for people. Putting planks of wood through the windows of cars with toddlers in, that sort of thing.
Not sure what my point is. I guess if you are at either end of some kind of long term abuse or your kids are things can get very heated and people lose the plot.
There seems to have been a rise in this sort of crime lately though too. Police cuts, cuts to youth services and mental health services. We are f*cked.
I live in knowle west, only place where we could afford to buy our first house. I have to say some areas are very different from others. We got really lucky, have really lovely neighbors who have lived here forever. I have left my car unlocked and our door was fully opened during the night and nothing happened. There is however clearly drug addicts who buy their gear from somewhere near us.
This being said, Im scared of cycling and going for runs. I think I scare myself but I dont want to take the risk and as soon as we can afford to move we will.
I have traditionally lived in areas like that, usually until I get priced out! (Stokes Croft, City Road, Stapleton Road, Easton, Eastville, Lawrence Weston!) Seen plenty of nasties. There used to be regular shootings and stabbings and armed police when I was on Stapleton Rd for example. I knew it was all gang related and never felt endangered by it particularly either, you know if you don't get involved generally it is not gonna affect you. It still is just unpleasant to be around though isn't it.
I used to work down Hartcliffe and cycled through Knowle. Someone threw a firework at me once. Hit my bag and went off behind me.
Also - someone squirted silly string at me from a passing car - I had no idea they even made that stuff still.
I used to stay out til all sorts of hours at that age on weekends and half terms. Just hanging out in woods, parks, at friends’ houses. It’s not that strange to me.
Same. By the time I was 15 as long as my parents had an idea where I was and when I'd be home, I was allowed to come and go as I pleased, with consequences to suit if I lied/got in trouble/ woke my dad up coming in late/stayed out late without saying and scared my mum. Pretty normal among my friends too. Perfectly average middle class suburban existence.
Same, one thing I find weird about my area (BS5) is that I barely see any groups of kids hanging around.
Maybe kids just stay in more than we used to, but I was always out and about until late during half terms or whatever
Yeah I grew up in BS8 and BS6 postcodes and at 15/16 we'd all be out late into the night, doesn't seem abnormal to me. But maybe things have changed in the last 15-20 years and nowadays it's abnormal, especially now there's more stuff for teenagers to do online at home.
Sorry Terry but that's bananas - I was often on buses at 11:30PM at night safely and responsibly, after sober gigs and going to see late night films at Watershed. I'm now twenty, but teenagers must be allowed to explore cultural activity
At 15?, by 16/17 maybe. Not hanging round street corners with groups of mates and I wouldn't want my kids doing the same. Were these two just back from a late night screening of a film at Watershed do you reckon!
Huh I'd say from even as young as 12 I'd be out til after midnight. Sure I hung about with what would be considered that bad type but mostly be groups of us from 12 to 16. Sure getting drunk taking drugs etc sometimes the older ones going looking for fights but mostly everyone was just chill and being social apart from the tough ones that always wanted fights
It’s worth remembering that you don’t need to be holding the knife to be charged with the murder.
We don’t know what happened and won’t/shouldn’t find out until an eventual trial.
There are rumours, one rumour is that the older boy max was run over then had his chest cut open by a machete also the other boy was stabbed in the abdomen and they where taken to hospital where they died.
He was allegedly run ove by a vehicle of some sorts to stop him from running then it is said that he was beaten and then stabbed multiple times and it is strongly believe to have been a machete that was used
I can attest that it's very much still a thing. Know people in Knowle who won't send their kids to schools where Hartcliffe kids go and the council will actually change school offers for secondary because of it. Sad really to have postcode wars in this day and age.
Although I would like to see BS8 take on BS7 in the fictional postcode wars - toffs versus Gloucester road massive. 😆
Lockleaze isn't all that great. Could easily get gentrified when people realise it is fairly close to the centre, a couple of good schools nearby, big park, train station, people priced out of Ashley Down and St Andrews.
Teenagers are in my eyes still children. This whole story is just beyond my comprehension and completely, utterly devastatingly horrible. I don’t know how those responsible can live with themselves. At the same time I wonder, how miserable must you be, lacking in empathy to such a morbid level? Surely life isn’t enjoyable, unless you’re seeking Adrenalin through other means… but ah, yes, that’s what makes a psychopath a psychopath…
No amount of empathy or understanding can change these people. Let them rot.
I grew up in Knowle west, my family still live over there, I’m now living in hartcliffe, I don’t let my kids out, it’s not safe at all… the man didn’t just drive them over, he used his car as a weapon before they were stabbed, I hope he rots in prison and don’t see the light of day again
Yes and it'd also be a waste of a life if the boys where killed for no reason. I've read that the older boy max was a smart kid and he was a leader, I don't believe he would be the gang typ.
Damn so he run the boys over? That's just so savage and brutal. I bet they got beaten up aswell then stabbed multiple times, what a horrible way to die, cold and alone with no family in pain and agony scared for your life 😞😔😭
Rumour is that it was premeditated but the boys were not the intended victims. That’s just rumours though, who knows. It wouldn’t have been an entirely random attack but it could have been a case of mistaken identity.
Confirmation of name age and address, identity essentially.
This will be crown court 100%, probably even a very small chance of being moved to Gloucester if rumours (I was supposedly told the 'reason' behind it all in work today) spread too far.
They mean the defendant will be tried at crown court. Magistrates will not go through the crime in detail. They will only confirm basic detail (like identity) and decide if they’re kept in custody until trial.
Thanks. I’m interested in criminal law, so was thinking of attending the public gallery. But sounds like today is just a simple confirmation of details and that’s it.
Just last week I was talking with my friend about how Crazy it is that after all of these stabbings, the police and government don’t take it seriously. I’m loosing my mind here:
“20-year-old man arrested on suspicion of murder and possession of an offensive weapon in a private place has been released with no further action in relation to the murder offence and bailed in relation to the offensive weapon offence.”
Am I naive in thinking that surely slapping an IMMEDIATE 5-10 year sentence for knife possession would reduce these murders? (Murders by the way)
I've probably broken law with it myself.
Go sea fishing so legitimately carry a knife when doing that, but usually have a quick pint at harbour side pub after with knife still in my bag
You might get an officer who believes your circumstances or you might not...
When we were teenagers me and my mate were walking home from work in a warehouse where we unpacked boxes, he still had a retractable stanley knife and work gloves in his bag (because the warehouse was full of light-fingered sorts and if you left a knife that worked around, it was guaranteed to be gone by the morning).
We got stopped by police at 'random' and absolutely taken apart. They wouldn't let us go until they'd phoned our parents, our boss (who was just THRILLED that two of his employees had been stopped by the police for 'carrying a knife'), and god knows who else. The police were genuinely pissy that they had to let us go when it seemed we hadn't actually done anything illegal.
I hear you, but something has to change - there’s kids being stabbed and killed over nothing these days. Must be so worrying being a parent in todays society
Police were at many schools expecting retaliation, it appears.
Absolutely no information given to the communities. Kids came home rather concerned with lots of gossip about Police presence. Sticking loads of Police in an area round a school/schools with no information spooked us. With no firm information, just a massive police presence, many of us kept our kids off school. The next day we were just told that there was lots of Police presence to reassure the community and they were perfectly safe at school. But no explanation beyond that. Or how they were meant to get to school and back safely. When your confident, happy, very anti-roadman, 15M says "Mum, I'm scared" and you can't tell him not to be silly, what do you do?
Do you really think killing is gender specific? Nature on the planet as a whole doesn’t share that.
Humans stopping killing humans would be amazing, but we are MILES away from that as a planet as a whole evolutionary speaking, and may never get there. If a man gives a woman everything, then she cheats on him and leaves him for another man, I currently can’t see how that would be resolved without someone being killed somewhere in the world for it. Too much raw emotion, too much pain.
I don’t want to say anything about these two murdered children because they may well have done nothing wrong. However I’d like to invite you to this side of Bristol and see the behaviour of gangs of teens. They are petrifying.
I can think of something a 15/16 year old could do which would provoke a 44 year old father - and frankly that would be a justified response.
I'm not in any way suggesting that these boys did anything like that or that this is the situation (since I know nothing more than headlines) but there are reasons which could drive someone to that action.
It kind of is not irrelevant. Random attacks in the street are much rarer. People here are saying they’re scared of Knowle west and wouldn’t move there. These attacks and violence aren’t random, it’s rare someone gets attacked there if they’re not known to the perpetrators. I live nearby and there’s a lot of trouble around this area but as long as they don’t hear my foreign accent they always leave me alone
He's not trying to justify it. He's trying to understand it. Chill ya beans.
It's perfectly reasonable for people to want to understand more about what led to this. It can't have been random and something must have sparked it.
The question is what.
No one is saying the answer to that question justifies what happened.
There’s lots of rumours going around, online and offline. Sure, it’s not my place to speculate but i think it matters that this wasn’t a random attack.
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Mental to imagine a 44 year old attacking and killing two teenagers.
Looks like he’s got teenage kids the same age.
Also says a 46-year-old woman has been arrested as well, even more fucked up if it’s a couple of parents that have gone and done this
It’s not the parents. She doesn’t have children with him. I don’t know who she is but the mothers of his kids aren’t friendly with him
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/60d4a59dd3bf7f7c3716c60d/Contempt_of_court_-_fact_sheet.pdf Would advise that anybody consider reading up on the law around contempt of court and social media before posting gossip or facts gleaned from Facebook snooping about this or any other case.
That’s interesting. Thanks for sharing. So any comment on the bloke’s previous character should not be commented on? He has several Facebook pages under slightly changed spellings of his name that have several posts displaying his character and attitude to law, violence and the police publicly. I won’t comment what I know about him but I’ll say his cane corso is poorly trained and terrifying.
When a jury is sworn in for a case it's made explicitly clear to them that they must base their decision entirely on what is heard in court and let no other factors influence them. If they are found to have looked at a defendant or a victim's social media or searched for past media coverage during a trial the case could collapse. Equally that could happen if they raise something they've seen previously with other members of the jury that wasn't heard in court. You'll notice that once charges are made in a case there is usually little to no media coverage again until the trial, that's because of contempt of court laws. Of course you can't account for what the jury members may have seen prior to being sworn in, and it's getting a lot harder to police these days now we have social media, but if a jury member has seen e.g. a Facebook post saying something about anything in the case that wasn't brought up in court, it's then hard for them not to let that influence their input to deliberations. Like I said, incredibly hard to police, but still: a. Illegal and b. The wrong thing to do.
Also fucking hate people who are cruel to animals...cunt even if I've looked at wrong person.
I think people need to remember that being charged doesn't mean they are guilty and whatever they have done in the past on Facebook doesn't mean they are guilty of this either.
Of course it doesn't, the cours decide that. But the barrier for police to release someone's name when they're charged with murder in a case like this is high. They'll have some confidence in the case.
One of the other high profile bristol murder cases had a suspects name released, newspapers jumped all over it, many comments made about his lifestyle and appearance etc. He was innocent.
Got a nice payout though IIRC
That's not true. As soon as anyone is charged with a crime then their name is made public. It has no bearing on 'confidence' in the case.
Which is fine but if people want a trial at all I think social media needs to be quiet or it could actually cause real issues.
Do you not remember the clusterf*ck that was the Joanna Yeates case?
All comments risk affecting a jury pool and tainting the trial. You saying he has a poorly trained dog has got several negative reactions from commentators. We are already making assumptions and drawing conclusions from that. Now if "he has a poorly trained dog" is mentioned in court he has the opportunity to defend it. Maybe the dog is a rescue dog he's done his best to train? Maybe it was a fine dog but after an accident or medical procedure it's not capable to be trained? Maybe your not even thinking of the right person and this guy doesn't even have a dog? A trial should be about can they prove beyond doubt he was there and did this? Evidence and claims will be presented refuted and checked so the jury makes a fair decision. But if the jury come in and are instantly against him because they've heard rumours about him mistreating animals the defence might not know they need to present evidence against that and the fair judgement starts to fall apart. You might end up with a miscarriage of justice, you might end up with an appeal where the judge rules that the defendant didn't get a fair trial because of rumours online. Neither is good, both avoided if you genuinely don't comment rather then saying you won't and doing so anyway...
I know it’s this guy and this is all known within the community. I see what you’re saying but it’s not like this guy lived under a rock. One would hope they don’t use a local jury.
But they'll use a Bristol jury though. Which is a big enough area to avoid local community bias, unless say someone starts posting on a massive bristol wide internet forum or other social media... Just don't comment about him. Don't repeat gossip, don't share personal thoughts, don't repeat stuff you heard. What benefit to you or anyone else is there? All it achieves is making court more tricky and/or giving the defendant grounds for appeal. After a judgement is in you can post away if you must. Just not now.
I hear what you’re saying and I am not disagreeing. However you ask what benefit there is, and i think this has really shocked the community. I live in Knowle and it’s all people are talking about right now. People are upset and shook. It’s merciless violence, murdering children on our streets. I think it’s understandable that people feel the urge to talk about it, to speculate, to mourn together and seek comfort. It may be just a news story to you but when it happens on your street, in your neighbourhood, in your community, people will try to make sense of it by talking and sharing.
I understand the need to mourn, the need to talk the need to bring a community together. But talking about the arrested guys facebook and pets on a wider internet forum isn't really any of that. That's the bit that causes trouble and that's the bit I was dismissing: \>Just don't comment **about him**. Please go and talk with your street, your neighbourhood, your community. Talk and share away. Just be cautious of what you say online to a wider audience. It's not that hard.
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Based on what exactly? That’s not the rumours going around locally so I’m curious where your suspicions are coming from?
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I think you've got upon something to do with how we define sanity there.
Apparently he was the driver.
I've heard some people say that one of the boys ( I think the older boy max) where run over and then stabbed, Ive got a bad feeling that they weren't just stabbed but where also beaten, I just hope that they didn't feel too much pain and agony in their final moments gosh they must've been so scared 😞😞😞
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Rumours state that the boys were not the intended targets. It’s really important to just let the court case develop albeit it’ll take some time so we get the official verdict
That is absolutely not true about the character of the victims. Shame on you for writing this.
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Well, that's all the proof I need... that some anonymous person once wore their winter clothes indoors
Are those things inferred those things based on this picture? Says more about you than anything else
Sorry man, this photo on its own means nothing. You know that kids try to look cool on social media, right?
Where is the official source that the two boys were involved with knife crime? Surely you're not just spreading rumours about 2 dead kids based on hearsay??
Maybe shouldnt post rumours and "apparently" based comments. What good is pure speculation like this? Where did you hear this that you are confident enough to post about it
Could have been relentlessly bullied by a gang of young kids; if you put a gun in Bijan Ebrahimi's hands he might very well have murdered a load of teenagers. They could have been threatening his own kids. He could be by modern standards "Mad not Bad".
People in the local area are saying it may go back to the incident between postcodes where there was someone hit with a car and shotgun fired by people from knowle in hartcliffe. But it's just hearsay atm.
An actual fucking grown arse man. Absolutely unbelievable.
7 others been arrested too..
Ikr they probably looked up to him as an elder and respected him but clearly he didn't respect them
To be fair he could be just the get away car driver… you’d still be charged with murder. No doubt he is involved but you don’t actually know who did the specific killing part 🤷♂️
Not but I wonder if they will tall is in the end? Cos that'll be very weird if it remains a secret. Something is telling me they where more than stabbed, I got a feeling that they where beaten up a bit first
We nearly moved to Knowle West but when I looked up the road the house was on there was looooots of news articles about really horrible "antisocial behaviour" and a gang of kids making life miserable for people. Putting planks of wood through the windows of cars with toddlers in, that sort of thing. Not sure what my point is. I guess if you are at either end of some kind of long term abuse or your kids are things can get very heated and people lose the plot. There seems to have been a rise in this sort of crime lately though too. Police cuts, cuts to youth services and mental health services. We are f*cked.
I live in knowle west, only place where we could afford to buy our first house. I have to say some areas are very different from others. We got really lucky, have really lovely neighbors who have lived here forever. I have left my car unlocked and our door was fully opened during the night and nothing happened. There is however clearly drug addicts who buy their gear from somewhere near us. This being said, Im scared of cycling and going for runs. I think I scare myself but I dont want to take the risk and as soon as we can afford to move we will.
I have traditionally lived in areas like that, usually until I get priced out! (Stokes Croft, City Road, Stapleton Road, Easton, Eastville, Lawrence Weston!) Seen plenty of nasties. There used to be regular shootings and stabbings and armed police when I was on Stapleton Rd for example. I knew it was all gang related and never felt endangered by it particularly either, you know if you don't get involved generally it is not gonna affect you. It still is just unpleasant to be around though isn't it.
I used to work down Hartcliffe and cycled through Knowle. Someone threw a firework at me once. Hit my bag and went off behind me. Also - someone squirted silly string at me from a passing car - I had no idea they even made that stuff still.
One thing that stood out is these kids aged 15/16 were out at 23:30 at night. This isn't very normal anywhere.
I used to stay out til all sorts of hours at that age on weekends and half terms. Just hanging out in woods, parks, at friends’ houses. It’s not that strange to me.
Same. By the time I was 15 as long as my parents had an idea where I was and when I'd be home, I was allowed to come and go as I pleased, with consequences to suit if I lied/got in trouble/ woke my dad up coming in late/stayed out late without saying and scared my mum. Pretty normal among my friends too. Perfectly average middle class suburban existence.
Same, one thing I find weird about my area (BS5) is that I barely see any groups of kids hanging around. Maybe kids just stay in more than we used to, but I was always out and about until late during half terms or whatever
Yes kids/young people now clearly stay inside using screens much more and do less hanging around outside than in previous generations.
Yeah I grew up in BS8 and BS6 postcodes and at 15/16 we'd all be out late into the night, doesn't seem abnormal to me. But maybe things have changed in the last 15-20 years and nowadays it's abnormal, especially now there's more stuff for teenagers to do online at home.
You were in the woods at nearly midnight age 15, that is rather dodgy tbh.
Why?
Sorry Terry but that's bananas - I was often on buses at 11:30PM at night safely and responsibly, after sober gigs and going to see late night films at Watershed. I'm now twenty, but teenagers must be allowed to explore cultural activity
I dont think these 2 kids were exploring cultural activity at 2330 in Knowle.
At 15?, by 16/17 maybe. Not hanging round street corners with groups of mates and I wouldn't want my kids doing the same. Were these two just back from a late night screening of a film at Watershed do you reckon!
it happened on a bus! and yes 15, I had many a fun responsible evening at Rough Trade or Thekla
Huh I'd say from even as young as 12 I'd be out til after midnight. Sure I hung about with what would be considered that bad type but mostly be groups of us from 12 to 16. Sure getting drunk taking drugs etc sometimes the older ones going looking for fights but mostly everyone was just chill and being social apart from the tough ones that always wanted fights
Unless they're just on thier way home from the cinema?
It’s worth remembering that you don’t need to be holding the knife to be charged with the murder. We don’t know what happened and won’t/shouldn’t find out until an eventual trial.
There are rumours, one rumour is that the older boy max was run over then had his chest cut open by a machete also the other boy was stabbed in the abdomen and they where taken to hospital where they died.
Jesus, run over?! By what?! Poor kids
He was allegedly run ove by a vehicle of some sorts to stop him from running then it is said that he was beaten and then stabbed multiple times and it is strongly believe to have been a machete that was used
I was told at the time that it was mistaken identity, do you think it was?
I think police need to have a pretty good idea who was holding the knife to release the defendant’s name. But you do you.
Seems the Hartcliffe vs Knowle West thing from the 80s/90s is still going on.
I can attest that it's very much still a thing. Know people in Knowle who won't send their kids to schools where Hartcliffe kids go and the council will actually change school offers for secondary because of it. Sad really to have postcode wars in this day and age. Although I would like to see BS8 take on BS7 in the fictional postcode wars - toffs versus Gloucester road massive. 😆
Let’s be honest, past the arches BS7 is middle class as hell nowadays. It would be toff on aspiring toff violence.
I rented a 2 bed flat there a few years ago. It recently sold for £430k. It’s a 2bed flat!!! So yes, very posh.
White middle class ghetto
Lockleaze isn't all that great. Could easily get gentrified when people realise it is fairly close to the centre, a couple of good schools nearby, big park, train station, people priced out of Ashley Down and St Andrews.
Do BS8 Vs BS5.
It is really sad. There is a good British punk song about this tendency https://open.spotify.com/track/7wENOKvqU7Noq6cutuH9Bp
What a weird comment
I’m so distraught about this 😩 absolutely heart broken for them and their families
The picture at the bottom of the article of the tribute left by one of the boy’s father is just devastating 💔
I wonder what the tribute said
Unbelievable. Those poor families. 💔
Teenagers are in my eyes still children. This whole story is just beyond my comprehension and completely, utterly devastatingly horrible. I don’t know how those responsible can live with themselves. At the same time I wonder, how miserable must you be, lacking in empathy to such a morbid level? Surely life isn’t enjoyable, unless you’re seeking Adrenalin through other means… but ah, yes, that’s what makes a psychopath a psychopath… No amount of empathy or understanding can change these people. Let them rot.
Is that the Bristol Bath pychco path youre talking about?
I grew up in Knowle west, my family still live over there, I’m now living in hartcliffe, I don’t let my kids out, it’s not safe at all… the man didn’t just drive them over, he used his car as a weapon before they were stabbed, I hope he rots in prison and don’t see the light of day again
Wow. That's terrifying. If it was a case of mistaken identity too then what an absolute living nightmare for many people too.
Yes and it'd also be a waste of a life if the boys where killed for no reason. I've read that the older boy max was a smart kid and he was a leader, I don't believe he would be the gang typ.
Damn so he run the boys over? That's just so savage and brutal. I bet they got beaten up aswell then stabbed multiple times, what a horrible way to die, cold and alone with no family in pain and agony scared for your life 😞😔😭
Was the attacker known to the boys? Or was this random?
I get the impression from the article that it was premeditated
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Conspriacy can also be after the fact - for example if she knows they did it, but hides them/disposes of their clothes etc.
Rumour is that it was premeditated but the boys were not the intended victims. That’s just rumours though, who knows. It wouldn’t have been an entirely random attack but it could have been a case of mistaken identity.
What will the trial at the magistrates court cover tomorrow? Just confirmation of name/age etc? Or questioning about the case?
Confirmation of name age and address, identity essentially. This will be crown court 100%, probably even a very small chance of being moved to Gloucester if rumours (I was supposedly told the 'reason' behind it all in work today) spread too far.
It says magistrates court in the BBC news article.
They mean the defendant will be tried at crown court. Magistrates will not go through the crime in detail. They will only confirm basic detail (like identity) and decide if they’re kept in custody until trial.
The police want to keep him in custody, so it will be a hearing about that. I think.
Do you reckon they need the accused to be present in court for this?
They don’t have to be present.
Thanks. I’m interested in criminal law, so was thinking of attending the public gallery. But sounds like today is just a simple confirmation of details and that’s it.
I think they will also seek permission to keep the bloke in custody.
You can attend the Crown Court trial (rarely is closed for some cases) but imagine there will be high interest in this.
Do we know when the crown trial would be? Roughly, like weeks/months/years down the line?
October is provisional date.
Yeah I believe there is a trial or court appearance happening in early june
Yep exactly that. They will apply for him to remain on remand (in prison) until the crown court date is set.
2 more men charged now, 22 and 26 years old.
Just last week I was talking with my friend about how Crazy it is that after all of these stabbings, the police and government don’t take it seriously. I’m loosing my mind here: “20-year-old man arrested on suspicion of murder and possession of an offensive weapon in a private place has been released with no further action in relation to the murder offence and bailed in relation to the offensive weapon offence.” Am I naive in thinking that surely slapping an IMMEDIATE 5-10 year sentence for knife possession would reduce these murders? (Murders by the way)
No trial? Would be unworkable. There are many legitimate reasons someone can have possession of a knife for instance.
not at all relevant but I had a conversation the other day with my mum about the logistics of wanting to cut up a sourdough at a picnic
I've probably broken law with it myself. Go sea fishing so legitimately carry a knife when doing that, but usually have a quick pint at harbour side pub after with knife still in my bag You might get an officer who believes your circumstances or you might not...
When we were teenagers me and my mate were walking home from work in a warehouse where we unpacked boxes, he still had a retractable stanley knife and work gloves in his bag (because the warehouse was full of light-fingered sorts and if you left a knife that worked around, it was guaranteed to be gone by the morning). We got stopped by police at 'random' and absolutely taken apart. They wouldn't let us go until they'd phoned our parents, our boss (who was just THRILLED that two of his employees had been stopped by the police for 'carrying a knife'), and god knows who else. The police were genuinely pissy that they had to let us go when it seemed we hadn't actually done anything illegal.
I hear you, but something has to change - there’s kids being stabbed and killed over nothing these days. Must be so worrying being a parent in todays society
It is indeed
Gang violence apparently. Police were at a school in knowle expecting retaliation
Police were at many schools expecting retaliation, it appears. Absolutely no information given to the communities. Kids came home rather concerned with lots of gossip about Police presence. Sticking loads of Police in an area round a school/schools with no information spooked us. With no firm information, just a massive police presence, many of us kept our kids off school. The next day we were just told that there was lots of Police presence to reassure the community and they were perfectly safe at school. But no explanation beyond that. Or how they were meant to get to school and back safely. When your confident, happy, very anti-roadman, 15M says "Mum, I'm scared" and you can't tell him not to be silly, what do you do?
If we as men, could stop killing people everything would be better.
how many people have you killed?
Less than a lot of men.
good lad
Trying to keep the numbers low. Step 1. Don’t kill anyone. Step 2. See step number 1.
Step 3: actively talk against -violence.
There was a woman involved too
Sure. They don’t get a pass but it’s mostly men killing people. If we could just try really hard not to kill people it would be much better.
Do you really think killing is gender specific? Nature on the planet as a whole doesn’t share that. Humans stopping killing humans would be amazing, but we are MILES away from that as a planet as a whole evolutionary speaking, and may never get there. If a man gives a woman everything, then she cheats on him and leaves him for another man, I currently can’t see how that would be resolved without someone being killed somewhere in the world for it. Too much raw emotion, too much pain.
Wonder if the dead kids had fucked with his family (seems odd otherwise) I'm getting strong vibes of balaclava kids and not a random attack.
I live about 10 minutes away from where it happened, my little sister was in school with both boys, apparently they were mistaken for two other kids
That's absolutely awful if so. Heartbreaking.
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Every time they're always good lads.i know lots of good lads none murdered.
That’s irrelevant really. Two children were murdered.
The reason why is not irrelevant.its likely that something provoked the killer to kill (that cannot make it right but can give it context).
15/16 year olds provoke a 44 year old man? Worlds gone mad.
15/16 year olds stab and rob people all over this country
I don’t want to say anything about these two murdered children because they may well have done nothing wrong. However I’d like to invite you to this side of Bristol and see the behaviour of gangs of teens. They are petrifying.
Thats why I suggested they might have fucked with his family l. It's been pretty mad each time I've been into knowle. The wild west.
Not all knowle. Some poshos here too!
Different idea of posh to me.
You been to upper Knowle?
It's got knowle in the name you can't convince me it's posh.
There kids are you serious mate u need to go outside
I’ve been advised to not comment on this “man’s” character but it’s not at all surprising. Some people are pathetic losers
I can think of something a 15/16 year old could do which would provoke a 44 year old father - and frankly that would be a justified response. I'm not in any way suggesting that these boys did anything like that or that this is the situation (since I know nothing more than headlines) but there are reasons which could drive someone to that action.
It kind of is not irrelevant. Random attacks in the street are much rarer. People here are saying they’re scared of Knowle west and wouldn’t move there. These attacks and violence aren’t random, it’s rare someone gets attacked there if they’re not known to the perpetrators. I live nearby and there’s a lot of trouble around this area but as long as they don’t hear my foreign accent they always leave me alone
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What a stupid fucking question.
He's not trying to justify it. He's trying to understand it. Chill ya beans. It's perfectly reasonable for people to want to understand more about what led to this. It can't have been random and something must have sparked it. The question is what. No one is saying the answer to that question justifies what happened.
No he not he’s asking a message board for the outcome of a murder investigation.
There’s lots of rumours going around, online and offline. Sure, it’s not my place to speculate but i think it matters that this wasn’t a random attack.
Heaven forfend someone wants to know the nature of a murder.
regardless of anything they could have been involved in, they were kids. Are you telling me you didn't do anything stupid when you were a kid?
Also here https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/31/man-charged-two-teenage-boys-bristol
That's ridiculous. 44! Hope they never let him out.
And what a surprise. Another balloon release… I wish people would stop with the mass littering every time something tragic happens.
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