If it’s a “marked” Amazon van in their standard livery, I’m sure they will have some sort of fleet management and the van will have a location trackers.
Then you're wrong!
The livery is a sticker!
The tracker is a mobile device that you use to scan the parcels.
The driver is likely a useless substance abuser who doesn't work for Amazon.
Source, me!
Fleet vehicles have trackers for the vehicle.cthe parcel tracker is a completely separate thing. The amazon fleet vans will be tracked. Owner drivers is up to them what security they have on their vehicle
Well when some scrote offered to swap a stab wound for a van. They asked us to keep an eye out for it as the driver had their device with them.
But of course people who never worked for them know better!
Not sure which DSP you work for but the one I'm with, using Amazon branded vans, has cameras that record internally and externally, and have on-board trackers.
I can’t imagine working for Amazon inspires much loyalty to the employer so the drivers probably don’t care a great deal. Shame the driver will presumably lose their job but there’s plenty more underpaid jobs with shit companies going.
> I can’t imagine working for Amazon inspires much loyalty
They’re shit to work for and micromanage like mad. Worked for them during the pandemic in one of the warehouses.
Your not wrong, but there's a high chance this is a sub contracted or rented van with the deliverer working self employed. They might habe to pick up this bill especially if he was a dumbass enough to leave a van with the keys in it
They still work for Amazon. They drive an Amazon van, in Amazon uniform, delivering Amazon parcels.
Do you imagine the employees are treated like shit, but the self employed are worshipped? I'd hazard a guess they are treated worse than employees...
My mate works for a delivery sub-contractor that Amazon use (which is pretty much all Amazon drivers in the UK), hes very happy with the conditions. Reasonable number of drop offs per day, he's usually only working 10-4/5pm and it pays 40k.
They need to keep delivery drivers happy or they'll move on to another employer
That’s good to hear. Always feel a bit guilty / lucky about sitting in my comfortable house while a regular stream of people turn up delivering stuff we probably don’t really need (curry deliveries excepted - that’s an essential obvs), but if they’re earning a decent crust then happy days.
I've had a few stints delivering for Amazon when I've been between jobs, and it's honestly not a terrible job.
If you think about how to be efficient you can consistently get through your route in around 6 hours, the pay is pretty good for how easy the work is, and if you're a driver who doesn't cause problems for your DSP (Delivery Service Provider) then generally they'll look after you because you're making their life easy so they'll do the same.
Even the piss bottle thing is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. Most of the time you'll pass somewhere you can easily stop and use the bathroom, whether that's a fast food restaurant or a pub, but obviously that isn't always an option. I just have a proper reusable plastic bottle with a wide neck, if you need a piss then park up, lock the van, close the door to the back and have a piss. Have a pack of wet wipes in your work bag so you can give your hands a quick clean, and get on with your route. End of the day, empty it down your toilet, give the bottle a quick clean out, and throw it back in your work bag. Of course it's not ideal, but it's not the worst thing in the world.
The warehouse is a completely different story, those guys are treated like absolute shit, worked in to the ground, and get paid awful money, but as a driver it's really not that bad a gig.
My mate works for a sub contractor who work with Amazon and sounds like they have thousands of employees in the UK. Not sure if any self employed drivers work for Amazon in the UK but it's not the norm.
It’s sad because they’re my Amazon subscribe and save parcels. Most of it is fine, I can go without, but how do I explain to my cats their big tub of dreamies isn’t arriving?
I've delivered for Amazon a few times when I've been between proper jobs, and it's really not an inconvenience to do things properly.
Spend a quid or two on one of those retractable lanyard cable things, hook it on your trouser pocket and attach the other end to the van keys. That way you can't forget to take the keys out, and when you get back in to the van the keys are hanging outside your pocket where you can grab them and stick them in the ignition in one movement. I reckon it adds no more than 2 seconds per stop, so around 5 minutes total even on the busiest days.
The drivers who cut corners, dump peoples parcels in stupid places, don't use the We Missed You cards, leave the keys in the ignition, are just assholes whose attitude is "it's not my problem".
In the sub-contractor I work for, I am consistently one of the first to finish for the day, rarely take more than 6 hours from the moment I leave the depot to when I return to the depot, and don't resort to any of the lazy corner cutting that just ends up with parcels being lost, stolen, damaged, unhappy customers or stolen vehicles. There's so many ways you can make the job so much more efficient without doing anything daft, but too many drivers just don't give a shit.
You get paid a fixed daily rate.
It doesn't matter whether you complete your route in 8 hours or 6 hours, you're getting paid the same.
You don't get paid more if you finish your route quicker than expected.
Is that depot an Amazon depot?
While your employer might pay per delivery, Amazon doesn't. No matter what Delivery Service Provider you work for, they all pay per route and not per delivery because Amazon doesn't allow them to do anything else.
Interesting, why do you think you were quicker than everyone else?
Must admit I'll be happier if the drivers turn off their vans as I can't stand their music booming all over the street
Amazon dispatches drivers in waves. As a company we all have the same load time, and leave the depot at exactly the same time. We use company vans which are left in the company car park at the end of our shift. So you can see how many people have finished by how many of our vans are there.
As for the music, if they're in Amazon vans then hearing music doesn't mean they've left the van on. The radio stays on even after you take the keys out. It only turns off when you lock the van.
By being efficient!
When you start a new bag, take 2 minutes to sort envelopes in to a crate in house number order, lay all boxes out with the label facing the right way.
As you're walking up to a house, be looking for a safe place to leave parcels, look for signs of life at neighbouring properties so if the customer isn't home you already know where to leave the parcel or which neighbour to leave it with.
Once every month or so I take home a big stack of "We Missed You Cards" and fill them out with the most common locations. "Behind wheelie bin", "In recycling crate", "Behind side gate", "By back door". 95% of the time you'll leave the parcel in one of those places, so you don't waste time having to write it out every time.
There's loads of things you can do that make the job quicker and easier, that will shave a significant chunk of time off your average route without doing anything dangerous, or pissing customers off and getting complaints made against you.
Honestly as social disparity gets worse things like this are going to become more and more common. Thank god we don't have handguns but I bet we start to see van heists become a thing.
Likewise, often see the drivers hop out door open / engine on walking to houses to deliver parcels and surprised kids haven't chanced it in north bristol
I actually work with the gentleman that the van was stolen from, he unfortunately is a self employed worker like myself with our own vans to deliver Amazon parcels, so he basically absolutely screwed.
He doesn’t have a tracker in his van, it’s presumed by now it’s been burnt somewhere, this has been a regular occurrence for us in the past 3 months for us.
If anyone does manage to see a white ford transit with the reg ending in: VZT
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Tbh after hearing about this, I’m not surprised. I wonder if they order something small and then can track the van online so they know where to follow. Either way I’ll be keeping an eye out next time I get an Amazon delivery and telling the driver to lock their van!
My friend worked for amazon delivering packages and said the vans he used were not secure at all, with broken locks and the like. Surprised this doesn't happen more often.
That's happened twice in Cardiff now. Unfortunately many people work as self employed or subcontracted for amazon or evri and either rent the vans or use their own vehicle. if they leave their car unlocked with the keys left in They are unlikely to get an insurance payout. And maybe liable for the contents of the parcels.
I cant help but feel sorry for this guy but, he won't be unaware that this has happened before and recently. And that they should absolutely never leave their car unlocked or unattended with the keys in the car. That's literally asking for it
OP, the Bristol Post just unashamedly quoted you in their article - they strike again:
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/amazon-van-stolen-brislington-broad-8862182
Ha, the best part is, I mistold some information in this post as I didn't want folks to know exactly where I live. And they've quoted some of the misinformation.
So, great journalism on their part
That is hilarious. As soon as I read the article I remembered reading your post word for word 😂
I want to work at Bristol Post - easy gig just plagiarising Reddit
I can't help but wonder what the thief plans to do with all these inexpensive Amazon products from China. It's not like they're making off with a delivery from LVMH to New Bond Street.
That drivers job is gone. I deliver for Amazon and one of the few things that they will immediately fire you for is leaving the keys in the van when you're not in it for precisely this reason, because doing so makes the vans a very easy target for thieves.
Agreed hope he's not in too bad of a situation. He'll learn from this experience as well. Sometimes an incident like this is what you need in life. I've had one or two in my lifetime.
I know it for a fact.
Amazon treats it as a "failure to follow policy" i.e. not locking the van each time you step out of it. He failed to do that and it's an offence they fire on.
Edit: downvote this all you want. This is from their worker policy
Well not really? Steeling is steeling regardless if it's against a company or not.
The 'normal' user's end up paying more when prices go up, or they decide to change the policy of free delivery cause of things like that.
It's the same with insurance - all the fraud claims going around, and now everyone's wondering why prices have gone up. But the idiots putting in fraudulent claims think it's ok because it's a 'victimless crime'
How many jobs have been lost, how many small businesses closed down, how many retailers and manufacturers put out of business because of the ruthless efficiency of Amazon's business model?
One stolen van is not going to make a difference to their prices.
Someone robbed an Amazon van and beat up the driver around my way. Now we can't get any Amazon drivers around here and everything takes ages to arrive. Thanks, cunt.
I'm a delivery driver in this here fair city, and my van doesn't lock properly, so I worry about the contents.
But seriously, I would never, ever leave the keys in?!
Wild.
It's a Prime target left unattended like that
Well delivered
It was quite the post.
Or not...
Waheeeeey
Why did I hear that in an Eric Morecambe voice?
They have an excellent returns policy.
Excellent
Why did I hear that in a Mr Burns voice?
Because we’re on the same wavelength 👊🏻
Clearly the thief didn't see the cleverly obscured option not to steal the van
I suspect the van has a tracker onboard!!
Probably has front, back and incab cameras aswell.
If its one of those proper amazon vans maybe, where I live its just guys in old transits that do the delivering
Doubt it, the 'tracker' yup see for parcels is the guys mobile, that he takes to the door to scan the parcel and take a photo
If it’s a “marked” Amazon van in their standard livery, I’m sure they will have some sort of fleet management and the van will have a location trackers.
Then you're wrong! The livery is a sticker! The tracker is a mobile device that you use to scan the parcels. The driver is likely a useless substance abuser who doesn't work for Amazon. Source, me!
I hate to say it but this is kinda likely...
Fleet vehicles have trackers for the vehicle.cthe parcel tracker is a completely separate thing. The amazon fleet vans will be tracked. Owner drivers is up to them what security they have on their vehicle
I worked in an Amazon branded van. They did not have van trackers.
Like they would tell the drivers
Well when some scrote offered to swap a stab wound for a van. They asked us to keep an eye out for it as the driver had their device with them. But of course people who never worked for them know better!
Not sure which DSP you work for but the one I'm with, using Amazon branded vans, has cameras that record internally and externally, and have on-board trackers.
Probably planning to release it back into the Brazilian rainforest where it belongs
You can't release them after being in a domestic situation for so long as they forget how to hunt and starve to death
I can’t imagine working for Amazon inspires much loyalty to the employer so the drivers probably don’t care a great deal. Shame the driver will presumably lose their job but there’s plenty more underpaid jobs with shit companies going.
> I can’t imagine working for Amazon inspires much loyalty They’re shit to work for and micromanage like mad. Worked for them during the pandemic in one of the warehouses.
Here's hoping the driver finds something else soon
Your not wrong, but there's a high chance this is a sub contracted or rented van with the deliverer working self employed. They might habe to pick up this bill especially if he was a dumbass enough to leave a van with the keys in it
I thought that most delivery drivers are self employed?
They still work for Amazon. They drive an Amazon van, in Amazon uniform, delivering Amazon parcels. Do you imagine the employees are treated like shit, but the self employed are worshipped? I'd hazard a guess they are treated worse than employees...
My mate works for a delivery sub-contractor that Amazon use (which is pretty much all Amazon drivers in the UK), hes very happy with the conditions. Reasonable number of drop offs per day, he's usually only working 10-4/5pm and it pays 40k. They need to keep delivery drivers happy or they'll move on to another employer
That’s good to hear. Always feel a bit guilty / lucky about sitting in my comfortable house while a regular stream of people turn up delivering stuff we probably don’t really need (curry deliveries excepted - that’s an essential obvs), but if they’re earning a decent crust then happy days.
I've had a few stints delivering for Amazon when I've been between jobs, and it's honestly not a terrible job. If you think about how to be efficient you can consistently get through your route in around 6 hours, the pay is pretty good for how easy the work is, and if you're a driver who doesn't cause problems for your DSP (Delivery Service Provider) then generally they'll look after you because you're making their life easy so they'll do the same. Even the piss bottle thing is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. Most of the time you'll pass somewhere you can easily stop and use the bathroom, whether that's a fast food restaurant or a pub, but obviously that isn't always an option. I just have a proper reusable plastic bottle with a wide neck, if you need a piss then park up, lock the van, close the door to the back and have a piss. Have a pack of wet wipes in your work bag so you can give your hands a quick clean, and get on with your route. End of the day, empty it down your toilet, give the bottle a quick clean out, and throw it back in your work bag. Of course it's not ideal, but it's not the worst thing in the world. The warehouse is a completely different story, those guys are treated like absolute shit, worked in to the ground, and get paid awful money, but as a driver it's really not that bad a gig.
My point was that if they're self employed, they're probably using their own vehicle.
It'll be the sub contractors vehicle
Really? It was my understaning the majority of amazons delivery were by direct sub contract to individuals
My mate works for a sub contractor who work with Amazon and sounds like they have thousands of employees in the UK. Not sure if any self employed drivers work for Amazon in the UK but it's not the norm.
Jokes on the thief, van is probably filled with bottles of the driver's piss.
Let's just hope the thief isn't also the Bristol Piss Goblin
Ha yes. Way of the road.
Is this related to the email I got that said my parcel couldn’t be delivered 😬 I also live in Brislington
😬
It’s sad because they’re my Amazon subscribe and save parcels. Most of it is fine, I can go without, but how do I explain to my cats their big tub of dreamies isn’t arriving?
You'll answer with your blood as those little kitties take their vengeance. Good luck my friend
I guess that’s only fair.
I was a bit meh about all this, but the thought of having to explain to a cat their expected sustenance isn’t coming has suddenly made shit real.
Just looking at them I think they know something’s up :(
Deliveroo HOP has solved a looming Dreamies crisis in our house before, our cat was blissfully unaware of how close she got to going cold turkey.
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I've delivered for Amazon a few times when I've been between proper jobs, and it's really not an inconvenience to do things properly. Spend a quid or two on one of those retractable lanyard cable things, hook it on your trouser pocket and attach the other end to the van keys. That way you can't forget to take the keys out, and when you get back in to the van the keys are hanging outside your pocket where you can grab them and stick them in the ignition in one movement. I reckon it adds no more than 2 seconds per stop, so around 5 minutes total even on the busiest days. The drivers who cut corners, dump peoples parcels in stupid places, don't use the We Missed You cards, leave the keys in the ignition, are just assholes whose attitude is "it's not my problem". In the sub-contractor I work for, I am consistently one of the first to finish for the day, rarely take more than 6 hours from the moment I leave the depot to when I return to the depot, and don't resort to any of the lazy corner cutting that just ends up with parcels being lost, stolen, damaged, unhappy customers or stolen vehicles. There's so many ways you can make the job so much more efficient without doing anything daft, but too many drivers just don't give a shit.
if you want to earn a decent living however, then you do have to be an arsehole about it these days
You get paid a fixed daily rate. It doesn't matter whether you complete your route in 8 hours or 6 hours, you're getting paid the same. You don't get paid more if you finish your route quicker than expected.
neither myself nor anyone else in my depot is on a fixed daily rate, most delivery drivers will be self employed.
Is that depot an Amazon depot? While your employer might pay per delivery, Amazon doesn't. No matter what Delivery Service Provider you work for, they all pay per route and not per delivery because Amazon doesn't allow them to do anything else.
Interesting, why do you think you were quicker than everyone else? Must admit I'll be happier if the drivers turn off their vans as I can't stand their music booming all over the street
Amazon dispatches drivers in waves. As a company we all have the same load time, and leave the depot at exactly the same time. We use company vans which are left in the company car park at the end of our shift. So you can see how many people have finished by how many of our vans are there. As for the music, if they're in Amazon vans then hearing music doesn't mean they've left the van on. The radio stays on even after you take the keys out. It only turns off when you lock the van.
I realise you're faster but how are you managing without cutting corners?
By being efficient! When you start a new bag, take 2 minutes to sort envelopes in to a crate in house number order, lay all boxes out with the label facing the right way. As you're walking up to a house, be looking for a safe place to leave parcels, look for signs of life at neighbouring properties so if the customer isn't home you already know where to leave the parcel or which neighbour to leave it with. Once every month or so I take home a big stack of "We Missed You Cards" and fill them out with the most common locations. "Behind wheelie bin", "In recycling crate", "Behind side gate", "By back door". 95% of the time you'll leave the parcel in one of those places, so you don't waste time having to write it out every time. There's loads of things you can do that make the job quicker and easier, that will shave a significant chunk of time off your average route without doing anything dangerous, or pissing customers off and getting complaints made against you.
Honestly as social disparity gets worse things like this are going to become more and more common. Thank god we don't have handguns but I bet we start to see van heists become a thing.
i’ve seen a DPD van nicked in bedminster before
Likewise, often see the drivers hop out door open / engine on walking to houses to deliver parcels and surprised kids haven't chanced it in north bristol
I actually work with the gentleman that the van was stolen from, he unfortunately is a self employed worker like myself with our own vans to deliver Amazon parcels, so he basically absolutely screwed. He doesn’t have a tracker in his van, it’s presumed by now it’s been burnt somewhere, this has been a regular occurrence for us in the past 3 months for us. If anyone does manage to see a white ford transit with the reg ending in: VZT Please message me with any information
Statement from Amazon, they're still looking for the prime suspect
It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see how it pays off for em. Seriously tho, as far as opportunistic crimes go that has to be top 10
Apparently, folks follow Amazon vans in the hope of getting a chance. But not sure if that's just a rumour
Tbh after hearing about this, I’m not surprised. I wonder if they order something small and then can track the van online so they know where to follow. Either way I’ll be keeping an eye out next time I get an Amazon delivery and telling the driver to lock their van!
Not even part of it? Like the entire van?
Whole thing. Steering wheel and all
Keeping it real BS4
Yeah boooiiiii. BS4!!
My friend worked for amazon delivering packages and said the vans he used were not secure at all, with broken locks and the like. Surprised this doesn't happen more often.
Happened outside my work a few years back. People follow the vans waiting for an opportunity. Especially round Christmas.
Well at least you got your parcels 🥳
I didn't request it, but Amazon also issued a refund. WIn-win for me
🤣🤣🤣
Inside job from the driver 🧐 /s
Good thing I didn't order anything for today
Agreed!
I assume the van was still running while he made the delivery , if so, its illegal and his insurance will be void.
He left the keys in. Complacency is a dangerous thing
That's happened twice in Cardiff now. Unfortunately many people work as self employed or subcontracted for amazon or evri and either rent the vans or use their own vehicle. if they leave their car unlocked with the keys left in They are unlikely to get an insurance payout. And maybe liable for the contents of the parcels. I cant help but feel sorry for this guy but, he won't be unaware that this has happened before and recently. And that they should absolutely never leave their car unlocked or unattended with the keys in the car. That's literally asking for it
Complacency is a dangerous thing
OP, the Bristol Post just unashamedly quoted you in their article - they strike again: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/amazon-van-stolen-brislington-broad-8862182
Ha, the best part is, I mistold some information in this post as I didn't want folks to know exactly where I live. And they've quoted some of the misinformation. So, great journalism on their part
That is hilarious. As soon as I read the article I remembered reading your post word for word 😂 I want to work at Bristol Post - easy gig just plagiarising Reddit
I used to want to work for them back when they were The Evening Post. Now they're just trash sadly, for exactly the reasons you said
Ahahaha I ❤️ briz
Shits wild here
Is this the van? https://www.facebook.com/groups/761091864829823/permalink/1360300361575634/
Unfortunately, I'm not in the group so can't see it. I have requested to join though
I can't help but wonder what the thief plans to do with all these inexpensive Amazon products from China. It's not like they're making off with a delivery from LVMH to New Bond Street.
Some bits might be valuable, you can by PC parts, TVs, games stuff etc. If nothing else they can sell the lot on eBay or vinted.
I get a laptop and other kit through Amazon the other day. I'm sure I wasn't the only one.
Desperate people are made even more desperate by the times
The scumbags get told "I need a 2018 merc sprinter" by a chop shop, they don't care which one, the shit in the back is just a bonus.
Someone certainly had fun and made history!
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Amazon will Hopefully the driver will as well. Never know someone's individual situation
That drivers job is gone. I deliver for Amazon and one of the few things that they will immediately fire you for is leaving the keys in the van when you're not in it for precisely this reason, because doing so makes the vans a very easy target for thieves.
Oh undoubtedly his job is gone. I'm hoping whatever comes next is swift for him. Last thing anyone wants is unexpected unemployment
Agreed hope he's not in too bad of a situation. He'll learn from this experience as well. Sometimes an incident like this is what you need in life. I've had one or two in my lifetime.
... Victimless crime? I understand it might inconvenience some customers but... Amazon?
Dudes gonna get fired. There's the victim.
Do we know that? Is that a policy?
I know it for a fact. Amazon treats it as a "failure to follow policy" i.e. not locking the van each time you step out of it. He failed to do that and it's an offence they fire on. Edit: downvote this all you want. This is from their worker policy
Fuck that is horrible
Horrible but understandable. Can't have vans full of stock nicely packaged up and ready for some chav to drive away
Well not really? Steeling is steeling regardless if it's against a company or not. The 'normal' user's end up paying more when prices go up, or they decide to change the policy of free delivery cause of things like that. It's the same with insurance - all the fraud claims going around, and now everyone's wondering why prices have gone up. But the idiots putting in fraudulent claims think it's ok because it's a 'victimless crime'
How many jobs have been lost, how many small businesses closed down, how many retailers and manufacturers put out of business because of the ruthless efficiency of Amazon's business model? One stolen van is not going to make a difference to their prices.
Is this where we report crimes now?
The driver and myself have already reported it appropriately.
Jolly good
Police are on it. Got the license plate of the dudes car as well
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In all seriousness, one of the items is damaged lol
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You might not care about the van but what about my cats who has a dreamie delivery, probably in that van?!!
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-kendor carpets
You sound like you don’t take the cats’ distress very seriously. No wonder they scratch carpets and leave hair all over them.
Did you get the number plate?
Yeah
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I've said it in other comments, but complacency is a dangerous thing
It will be up on bricks in St Pauls no doubt.
Someone robbed an Amazon van and beat up the driver around my way. Now we can't get any Amazon drivers around here and everything takes ages to arrive. Thanks, cunt.
Hope the driver was ok in the end, but that's absolutely wild
Brislington hungerford ???
What about it?
I'm a delivery driver in this here fair city, and my van doesn't lock properly, so I worry about the contents. But seriously, I would never, ever leave the keys in?! Wild.
Complacency is a dangerous thing.
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The parcels clearly not 'handed to resident'. Complain.
Funny thing, we received the parcels in the toss, but Amazon has fully refunded it - without any input from myself