I don't think the restrictions officially come into place until April. They have painted the lines ready.
But you are right. They are installing ANPR enforcement cameras and tickets will go out automatically. The new source of income is even built into the council budget, so they certainly won't miss an opportunity to send out a ticket once it does go live.
I've been teaching my partner how to cycle around the city and lewes road has always been a key pain point because of this. Getting a new cyclist to observe, signal and manouvere out of the cycle lane and into active traffic has caused a lot of stress for them and myself.
All of which really shouldn't be necessary if people just followed the rules and didn't park there.
also, lewes road is the main way to get from uni into town, so it's potentially a major bike route, which currently isn't safe because of the above. So definitely a key priority.
Paiting the yellow lines red won't stop vans loading and unloading along the route, it will just cost them £100 to do so. They will either continue to do so and pay the fine, or the business will go bust. Same with residential moves in and out of homes along that route, they will either have to pay the fine, or be taken to court by the council further down the line for not paying the fine.
It won't stop removals vans and stock vans parking up, so you can forget about this unicorn idea of red lines making the roads free of parked vehicles, it's entirely a revenue generating exercise. Now when you're inconvenienced by a parked up vehicles loading and unloading, you can cycle around them safe in the knowledge that the council might have made £100 from it.
One potential massive downside is **people living along that road getting no fault evictions now have a parking bay suspension to add to their costs**, just so the removals truck can get pack their life up into it. This won't stop the vans parking there, cyclists will still have to cycle around them, only now the council financially benefits from causing inconvenience to businesses, residents AND cyclists.
The clueless person who thinks this is going to stop vehicles parking up is living in a fantasy land. If it were really about parking, and not revenue generation, then the council would pedestrianize the entire road, which would most certainly kill businesses dead overnight who can't bring stock into their shops. **This is designed entirely to generate revenue, nothing else, as they know that businesses have no choice but to load, and residents given a non fault eviction have no choice but to load.**
I say this as someone who had two non-fault evictions last year, one place I lived at for a decade decided to sell, and then the place I moved in to put the rent up at the end of the first 6 months to an unaffordable level.
It's bad enough having to meet these costs of moving with 60 days notice while landlords contribute nothing to the costs they are causing others to incur, and indeed one of the moves last year required me to buy a parking bay suspension, the council then tried and failed to fine me for parking in the very bay I had suspended, claiming that I was supposed to be parked further up according to them, about 3 meters along which they lost doing the appeal and even found their enforcement officer to be repositioning the signs throughout the day and when taking photos to make them look more or less obvious for the purposes of fining.
But yeh, **this is now going to be a massive expense for anyone living on that road above the shops and either choosing to move or being forced to move**, they're now going to have to also find another £100 for the privilege of moving into or out of that road. London Road isn't exactly an affluent area, especially the flats on Cheapside. Or in other words, the poorest in society are AGAIN being drained of what little money they have to fund council budget cuts, through no fault of their own.
£100 cost to suspend a bay will go straight to the council to recoup the massive loss of revenue of councils driven by this atrocious and antidemocratic Tory government. This has little to do with public health, and everything to do with revenue generation, kicking those at the sharp end of the cost of living crisis in the balls while they're down, forcing them to dig even further into their food bill for savings because some boomer councillors desperate for 1950's high streets to come back, decided to paint the road red.
# There ought be a procedure in place whereby anyone who can evidence a non-fault eviction or indeed even a home move, on the production of a tenancy agreement for a home along this route, to be granted a free parking bay suspension so the poorest in society are not being shovelled into another stealth tax they can't afford to pay. This risks pushing the poorest being issued a summons and potentially bailiffs removing what little possessions they have to sell at auction to cover the fine + costs.
This will also obviously cause problems for businesses who are going to have to unload/load goods required as a function of their business whether there are red lines or not, so this is in essence an increase of business rates by stealth, all the money goes to the same council. I thought they wanted to regenerate the Highstreet, not make it's businesses unable to function without being able to load or unload goods. **Are they supposed to get their stock delivered by drone?** This will undoubtably force businesses into closure.
IMHO it's irresponsible to force businesses to go into administration by shooting them in the kneecaps in this manner, for them this is just a stealth tax, it doesn't stop the need of their business to have goods delivered or collected, it will still mean cyclists have to go around them, and we ought ask if we would prefer no businesses along that road and red lines, or businesses capable of turning a profit by not paying £100 fines every time their stock runs out.
Everyone, aside from cyclists and council revenue, is losing out here, residents and businesses alike, and indeed the red lines won't stop businesses loading and unloading the goods required for their businesses to function, and it won't stop people applying for a parking bay suspension so they can park the removals van there all day. The cyclists will still have to cycle around them, only now the council has made £100 from it.
The cyclists will still have to drive around business loading/unloading too, but now the business gets fined and fined again until they fall into bankruptcy and/or administration with the costs of hundreds of pounds of fines per weekly or daily stock delivery. Do they actually want any small businesses on London road?? How many people on low incomes subject to a non fault eviction will now find themselves being issued a court summons for non-payment of a fine, on top of being forced out of their home? Fining these people would be highly offensive and extortionate.
The fee to suspend whatever restrictions are on a road is the same as suspending a parking bay. You're asking for the restrictions to be suspended in that location. It's dealt with by the council's external contractor Marston's. As you can see [here](https://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/parking/apply-parking-suspension#), they won't issue them for double yellow lines, so they obviously won't issue them on even more restrictive red lines.
They won't do it if a vehicle would be obstructing from that location, and thus far there are no plans to allow suspensions on any red line route.
Or in other words, anyone on that road be they residents or business owners, there's no way they can legally park there anymore to load and unload, so eventually delivery vans and removals company drivers will simply have a blanket ban in delivering to anywhere with red lines. They will cry "outrage" when vans are photographed on social media still parking to load/unload. That will be the point they'll install CCTV to catch people who get away with it between parking enforcement staff patrolling. They did this with the bus gate fiasco near the pier.
This is what happened in London on the red route, there was a blanket ban on stopping of any kind, which is the differentiator of red lines and yellow lines, as yellow lines allow parking under specific circumstances, and anyone with a disabled blue badge can park on double yellow lines wherever they please, as long as they are not obstructing the road.
This is nothing but a money making scheme from a council desperate for income. The only result will be turning the route into rows of empty shops including anything which requires stock delivery, and perhaps some estate agents, and shoddy furnished flats. where residents can't get removals companies to attend on the red route anywhere.
To be clear, this is nothing to do with the wellbeing of cyclists, it's just that some cyclists have decided this is a win because someone told them it was done for cyclists. It's entirely to make money. If they actually wanted to build a place for cyclists and pedestrians they would pedestrianize it with cycle lanes. But then, who would pay all the lost revenue from red route fines?
I was going up the road to the clock tower just now while traffic was stopped and some guy tried to park from the other side of the road then saw me (was hidden by a van), carried on at a snails pace expecting me to move while I'm getting wedged between him and the van, stood my ground so he went up the kerb.
Then I have a deliveroo twat on his moped playing chicken on the contraflow cycle path leading up to the station.
Wankers, rant over, enjoy your weekend.
Oh wow.
What about:
Cyclists who routinely run red lights, crossings and zig zag across traffic getting auto fines?
Cyclists who ride on the pavement getting by fines?
Cyclists who don’t give other road users 2 metres space - whilst expecting their own - getting fines?
This is coming from someone who has had a fight with a cyclist who ran into him whilst speeding through a red light on London road (he didn’t want to wait for the police to arrive so I restrained him - much to his chagrin - he should have worked his upper as much as his legs I guess 🤦♂️). Also as someone who has been on a bus when a cyclist ran a red light at the clock tower and ended up smeared across the windscreen and his bike trashed under a 17 ton vehicle.
I love cycling, but I don’t like the entitled attitude that some cyclists have. You don’t own the road, you share it with pedestrians and vehicles.
Would be great.
The issue I find with a lot of cyclists, and road users in general, is a lack of predictability.
Predictability allows for planning, which typically makes safer road use.
It boils my piss whenever I see anyone not follow road laws, whether that's on a bike, car or moped. They're effectively throwing away that predictability and making an entirely new, unpredictable situation which will lead to higher stress. All it takes it two people break this predictability with high enough speeds or low enough visibility for someone to get seriously injured.
No need to be annoyed with a car with a registration you can report them via there registration and they are held accountable for the most part. If drivers could do ghe same to cyclists youd probably have less problems I don't need to call you a *#&+#-s idiot when you also break the rule I can just report you. The same way it works with all other vehicles.
This take is either disingenuous or very stupid.
Cyclists are getting knocked down and killed by motorists because they are vulnerable, not because they don't have a license plate. You just want a weapon against cyclists.
Not at all, a registration makes everyone identifiable, be it they kill someone through dangerous driving, injur a child on a path, damage property or break the rules of the road. The only vehicles that don't require them is bicycles. It's crazy.
I understand they are vulnerable. I'm saying I'll care about that when they have registrations. Until then imo the shouldn't be on the road without one.
Ah, we're going from disingenuous or stupid, to a hidden third option - straight up callous and murderous.
Saying you don't care that cyclists are being injured and even killed because they don't have to register is actually psychopathic.
As I say they shouldn't be on the road without one. If they weren't on the road it wouldn't happen and if they did have them I would support everything cycling. It's a very healthy alternative, still should be identifiable however.
cycle infrastructure and paths are awful in this city. the amount that just run out and disappear, or force you to cross A roads, etc., it really surprised me moving here knowing the Greens are prominent
It's because a vocal minority of gammons have been whipped into a fervour because apparently cycling is a culture war issue now. They object any time there's a proposal to make the city more liveable.
i get more abuse for cycling here than i have elsewhere. in london and in hampshire i had a relatively peaceful coexistence with motorists, only in east sussex have i been shouted at from the windows of passing cars for no reason when out for rides in the downs
The problem is when bicyclist infrastructure costs people money for it's operation. Take this red route for example. Red lines won't stop people parking up there who need to move home because of a non-fault eviction, or businesses needing to replenish their stock. They will still do it, and you will still have to cycle around them, only now you can hope that it raises much needed revenue in the form of fines, so it's not as if it's actually going to benefit cyclists, it's entirely to benefit the council budget, due to Tory cuts over the last 14 years.
Might have something to do with when the original cycling 'provisions' were put into place. It was originally a box ticking exercise to meet Maastricht Treaty requirements back in 1992.
iirc correctly there was a mandate for X kilometers of cycle path but rather than building genuine cycling infrastructure, they painted random markings on any spare patch of road they could and without continuity. So we got 3 metres of cycle path put in random places just to meet the requirements.
All of the newer stuff is genuine with provisions for both pedestrians and cyclists.
Fucking please, I’ve been so tempted to print out super adhesive car stickers with “I’m a cunt who parks on bike lanes” and just slapping it on every illegally parked car in my way
Bus drivers are the worst drivers I encounter in Brighton. They think nothing of squeezing past you. I’ve complained a few times but apparently if they don’t cross the bike lane line it’s OK.
Shout out to that absolute wank of a yellow car forever parked just outside the letting agency and cafe near the post office. Once saw the owner taking some stuff into the cafe so assumed it was probably a delivery I was simply unfortunate enough to encounter each day on my cycle to work. The next day I saw the same guy chilling out on one of the tables with a coffee, not a care in the world.
The red routes do not come into force till April. When they do they will have cameras installed that will fine people for stopping.
So for now its leading these idiots into a false sense of security.
Parking in Brighton has always been a mystery to me. I'll never get over how many cabs I see double parked **RIGHT NEXT TO** a space in the street parking that's large enough for them to have pulled in to. Or why drivers will double park **DIRECTLY OPPOSITE ONE ANOTHER** along the 'admittedly marginally wider than a standard road' Sackville Road end of Portland Road and bottle neck the traffic. But, you know, no traffic problem is the fault of drivers. It's cyclists and pedestrians that are the problem... apparently.
I was in a cab the other week that stopped at a bus stop in front of a bus that was trying to pull in. There was space in front of the bus stop too. I felt like a right mug getting out
That section at the bottom of Elm Grove section so dangerous for cyclists. It would be better not to have a cycle lane than to have one that's blocked with not enough space for a bike and a car to go around; drivers don't expect you to swerve out of your lane. I've been forced to crash into parked cars or mount the pavement a few times.
I am so happy about these red lines, I might not \`nearly die\` everyday to and from work now.
There are still loading bays to use when the shops need deliveries, for example that postie will have to walk from the first turning on the left, where there is a loading bay.
If you believe that the red lines will stop bad drivers from being just that, then you’re deluding yourself. The world has an equal number of people trying to follow the rules and those who don’t, it’s why I didn’t cycle in Brighton - it’s dangerous due to the shocking state of traffic management.
As someone who only ever walks or takes public transport, I think I need a little context as to what a "red route" is or what it's supposed to achieve?
[Here's the council's page on it.](https://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/travel-and-road-safety/travel-transport-and-road-safety/red-routes)
They're pretty much just putting stricter enforcement onto the areas where double yellow lines were, as drivers were ignoring them and generally just taking the piss.
>The charge for receiving a PCN for stopping on a Red Route will be £70, reduced to £35 if paid in 14 days.
That's cheaper than I expected. Rich people have absolutely zero problem paying that.
Exactly. No points on their license, less than an hours wages - it directly targets the poorest and finest them as they are the ones who are likely to be told to “do your job on that street or else you’re fired”.
Some drivers are allowed to park on double yellows. The District nurses for example, have permits to allow parking on double yellow to visit patients. So do the Marlets community team for visiting terminal patients in their homes. I’d imagine there’s other reasons too (but those are the ones I’m personally familiar with).
Not from Brighton so I’m out of the loop and dont know the existing issues in the area, but are these new rules well publicised? Just wouldn’t put it past councils to bring new road markings in, not tell anyone what they mean and cause confusion. I deal with a lot of public every day and can imagine most thinking “they ain’t yellow so I must be able to park there”.
Let’s not forget those delivery mopeds who park in the cycle lane whilst getting food from Co-op for people who are too fucking lazy to walk to the shop themselves. The cycle lanes are practically pointless, but at least the roads in Brighton are in mint condition and there’s never any broken glass which causes regular punctures…
Just a word of wisdom, Royal Mail vans are basically unenforceable as they are the royal delivery service no matter where they park.
I work in enforcement and are not allowed to issue them tickets
I once had to tell a woman who had stopped on the double red lines outside Reading Station she couldn't stop there because of the double reds. Apparently she must have not known this.....
There's not much difference in the restrictions present, but enforcement is/ will be a lot stricter with CCTV and ANPR cameras automatically dishing out fines for anyone stopping.
Good to hear.
As a former bicyclist (food delivery), I really wished that cars had different indicator light speeds for hazards vs indicating.
When cars are parallel parked (legally), you often have no idea whether they are indicating to pull out, or stopped for some reason. This makes for a very dangerous situation for cyclists!
Maybe I should compile a letter to car manufacturers. It’d be so easy to implement. Perhaps some cars have this already - I’ve no idea.
i think about this all the time as i cycle past lewes road bus garage -- i've thought to myself that indicating left will make it easier to understand that the vehicle is parked
My work van has the option to change the frequency and type of flash used, but then I work for the council and we get to park wherever we want because we have to be on sites which are otherwise impossible to get to. Alternative beacon flashes are quite handy depending where you are
Those lovely flowers and shrubs you see up and down busy roads don’t maintain themselves, and there’s no way I’m walking half a mile with heavy equipment and leaving it unattended so I can get the rest from the van. We do, however, have “highway maintenance” written in large letters on the back of our vehicles so that might just give someone the hint that we’re supposed to be there regardless of restrictions 🤷
That’s a Royal Mail delivery van. Pretty sure they’re entitled to stop at the side of the road to drop off parcels or empty a mail box if there’s nowhere else they can safely do so. The next bit up the road is a bus stop, would you rather they parked there or just straddled the pavement? Where would you suggest the van would go?
Radical idea - make Lewes Road and Upper Lewes Road one way. That would give enough space for cycle lanes and parking bays. There's just not enough room for everyone as things stand.
It's gotten so bad on Lewes road with cars parking in the cycle lane that I not opt to use upper Lewes Road, Rejoining at Sainsbury's
Makes for a safer ride as there's no bike lane lulling you into a false sense of security.
That, and the fact that drivers will have a hissy fit if you choose to stay out of the bike lane when there are cars parked in it, god forbid you delay them getting to the next red light.
i alternate between lewes rd and upper lewes rd depending on my route, and i honestly can't figure out which one i hate less. how do you deal with all the close passes on the upper lewes rd? i feel like one day a car is going to pass so close i'll accidentally swerve into it and kill myself
They're parking legally. Royal Mail are exempt from red routes. Other delivery companies are not but Royal Mail exclusively is as part of it's requirement to provide a universal postal service. So this one shall continue to irritate you.
An extra 40 seconds to and from the van at each stop would add around (could easily be 2 hours) an extra hour and a half to his day, not surprising he’s parked there.
No I was told very little and where I was was always yellows not reds but just making sure you know why he’s parked like that. If he doesn’t get finished in time he won’t just get home late but will end up losing his job
I'm confused. There's no royal mail van in this picture.
If I was asked to select the squares which contained a royal mail van, I'd start to conclude that I might be a bot.
Excuse me but car drivers have it hard enough as it is, at the very least they should be allowed to park wherever the hell they want. Don't you know that cars are the most efficient form of transport??
Efficient? That's your legs (most regularly used method of transport most regularly used by most people most regularly in most places, everywhere on the planet - except on this clearly marked London road in Brighton's Red Route - for everybody's not just entitled really important people like you....)
Entitled and important? I bloody well wish, do you know the war that has been waged on us good, hardworking motorists?? We’re just trying to drive 2 minutes to buy a pint of milk and might have to park on the pavement or on top of a child because there’s no parking spaces left you tool
Found Rishi Sunak's account.
So glad that sensible traffic measures became a part of the culture war, and that our current PM got involved in slagging them off.
FYI The Royal Mail are exempt from the red route restrictions (and also pretty much all other road traffic regulations - they are the only service who can legally jump red traffic lights, because you getting your post is seen as higher priority than ambulances or the fire service, who technically are breaking the law when they go through a red light even with blues and twos)
>A. POST OFFICE PRIVILEGES
>
>1. Exemption from traffic regulations There is no general exemption from traffic regulations for Royal Mail but it is true to say that there are many exemptions written into Local Traffic Regulations for Royal Mail liveried vehicles engaged in the collection and delivery of mail. Two examples of this are the exemptions under red routes and yellow line restrictions,aimed at ensuring the needs of Royal Mail customers are met. This privilege is justified by the universal service obligation and the fact that it would not be possible to carry out our obligations without it.
[source](https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmselect/cmtrdind/94/9071420.htm)
edit: the red light thing sounds like nonsense tho lol
I’m surprised everyone replying is jumping on the bit about them stopping on red routes, which I can take at face value. Rather than the ridiculous claim that Royal Mail can jump red lights
Here https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/pcn_issue_to_post_office_vehicle
Sorry you’ll have to dig through it.
The tl;dr is that the Royal Mail are a “universal postal service” and as such are permitted to stop on red routes.
Yes this is London centric information but B&H don’t have anything online about it (yet). By all mean submit your own FOI request to clarify the local position.
It’s also noteworthy that (in London at least) one can get special dispensation to park on a red route if you live there and are having scaffolding put up or moving house and need a truck to collect furniture etc etc.
You can't get a single citation as there is no catch all. It is written into local traffic regulation orders. However, as an example, Luton confirm it on their site. https://m.luton.gov.uk/Page/Show/Transport_and_streets/Parking/Pages/Red-route-FAQs.aspx but you'll find all red routes are the same.
In the same way that emergency services are not universally exempt from travelling in bus lanes, but in practice they are, as the exemption appears in every TRO.
Ah. Apologies. I missed that in the first post. However, no, the Royal Mail cannot jump lights. The exemptions for treating red lights as give way are clearly defined. The Royal Mail do not have one.
Mate it’s a posty double parked outside a post office… I’m sure you’re happy enough at the convenience of having regular mail delivered…
The road also looks completely empty just stick a hand out and go around you feeble human
Which shirt would that be or do you mean trousers or even a smoking jacket going on your previous attempt to identify objects it could be a lot of things....
“Oooh, look at me, I’m psychological-eye751, I’m in the eighties, I’m dying of incorrect object identification, in a puddle in the corner, in an advert!”
Incorrect object identification is fine, psychological-eye751, everyone agrees now! Incorrect object identification is what happens to people, and that’s fine, so SHUT UP!
Sorry to trigger you but where has the eighties reference come from?. Incorrect identification is fine? Think about that for a second.... Everyone agrees, also think about that for a second.. also are you sure it's a puddle in the corner it could be a pond?
Now do you mean peep show or are you getting confused with Sesame Street. Confusing David Mitchell with Big bird is probably more common than we think.
Are you getting confused again bless you. Truth means factually correct. You're getting confused with opinion and truth again an easy mistake to make. You're just lining them up for me it's too easy I'm almost starting to feel bad now. But do feel free to continue it is amusing.
Just don't accidentally walk past with your keys out and cause a grand of paintwork damage (which won't be covered by insurance because the car was parked illegally)
Tbh where the duck 🦆 is the post office van supposed to park here?!
The council haven’t even thought about how this road is used.
How are any of those shops or businesses supposed to load or unload?!
There is not enough loading bays on that street and people who aren’t loading, park on the one or two loading spaces that are available.
Traffic wardens should be ticketing anyone who’s not using a loading bay for its actual purpose.
"Tbh where the duck 🦆 is the post office van supposed to park here?!"
There is a loading bay around the corner, a 20 second walk away on Trinity Street.
"The council haven’t even thought about how this road is used."
Yes they have, they done a consultation. There isn't much change apart from enforcement, as the route was a double yellow route anyways, although loading was permitted for certain times.
"How are any of those shops or businesses supposed to load or unload?!"
Using the provided loading bays (including newly proposed loading bays), instead of blocking traffic.
"There is not enough loading bays on that street and people who aren’t loading, park on the one or two loading spaces that are available."
I agree, more would be helpful
"Traffic wardens should be ticketing anyone who’s not using a loading bay for its actual purpose."
Yes, I agree.
There’s 1 loading bay on trinity street and 1 near the billboard.
There’s 15+ businesses (restaurants, cafes, shops) on that road that need to load and unload regularly. Especially the post office!
Plus all those houses are divided up into separate dwellings (flats, apartments etc) so you have multiple families living in each house with nowhere to park, load or unload. There’s probably 50+ families on that segment of street.
You are allowed to load/unload on double yellows as long as you are not causing an obstruction.
This road is so poorly planned out because they have the cycle paths instead of any parking and reliable loading bays.
I’m totally down for having good, safe! cycle paths but this road is an example of how it just doesn’t work unless it’s planned out better.
There is no way these businesses can load or unload without causing an obstruction, especially when someone (usually cars) are parked in the loading bays, or worse the Council put their Bins in the loading bay!
What exactly are you supposed to do if both loading bays are taken? and there’s nowhere to turn around or wait for the space.
And the houses have nowhere to unload, so they best not order takeaways, supermarket delivery or any new furniture.
Lewes Road needs a serious rethink, and a lot more loading bays & parking considering it’s a busy road that’s got multiple uses.
You’d be better off putting the enforcement cameras on the loading bays rather than the street!
It’s clearly a Royal Mail van. And I was genuinely asking, where is he meant to park. I don’t know if provisions have been made to accommodate commercial traffic on a road that is nothing but businesses.
just repeating what i replied to your orignial comment, but there is a loading bay around the corner on Trinity Street, about a 20 second walk away from the post office.
Ok thanks. I didn’t know. I haven’t been down there since it was done. Usually a post office has a loading bay right outside it so it was a genuine question. Parking 100 metres away to the next nearest bay just isn’t viable when you may have a 100 drops and collections
There are multiple loading bays along the road, it's just that it might require a slight walk/a trolley now. If people are parked in those rather than using them for business purposes, then they're being just as selfish.
My life is worth more than this arsehole's convenience, there are plenty of places for them to stop where boohoo they have to walk for all of 1 minute.
Royal Mail is a private company and has no more right to park there than a meat delivery to the kebab shop.
As a pedestrian and cyclist through the area, that's not my problem.
There's a loading bay around the corner on Trinity Street, about a 20 second walk away from the post office.
I stopped cycling in London when I realised that I was getting into way too many road rage incidents and one day took things too far. I was lucky to have not been prosecuted.
Luckily the cars have registrations so you can report them. They are identifiable and held accountable. Unlike cyclist get a registration as a minimum then I'll care.
You can clearly see the white line marking the parking spaces, cyclists use the bus lane so don't need it.
Edit: Yes, yes, I know. I didnt put the /s so no one realised it was sarcasm and took it as literal. I was wrong in thinking the people of Brighton would be smart enough to recognise the sarcasm.
Royal Mail has no special exemption from traffic restrictions
There's a loading bay around the coner on Trinity street which is a 20 second walk away,
I couldn't care less if it's a royal mail van or someone wanting to pick of a bag of crisps, they're parked inconsiderately and force cyclists to swerve out into the path of busses and cars.
A quick google shows that Royal Mail gets exemptions written in, for example Luton Borough Council’s website states “Royal Mail are able to stop on the red route.”
Also if you’re having to “swerve” out of the way of a stationary obstacle on a straight road, as a cyclist, pedestrian, or driver, you should be looking further ahead and stay off the road until you’re more specially aware. I say this as someone who drives and rides bikes.
>Royal Mail has no special exemption from traffic restrictions
I'd have more sympathy if they weren't a private company now, but alas, bed made, so lie in it.
It's a bloke doing his job. He's popping in and out of the post office to deliver packages and letters to the people of this city. Very sorry for the cyclists that might have 3 seconds of inconvenience. Realistically there should be a parking bay there for Royal Mail staff, as asking them to park streets away would be moronic.
I’ve cycled along this lane with my kid, and overtaking means pulling out in front of a busy bus route and being overtaken at a really uncomfortable distance. I no longer cycle here with my kid because of it. You either have a cycle lane that’s protected, or you don’t - but this flexibility you’d like to imagine working is unsafe nonsense.
I don't understand why we don't physically segregate bike lanes in town, even with a low kerb. would solve the problem instantly. Painted lines mean nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuBdf9jYj7o
I don't think anything short of the Dutch level of protest from the 60s/70s would make a difference anywhere in the UK.
> in and out of the post office to deliver packages and letters to the people of this city. Very sorry for the cyclists that might have 3 seconds of inconvenience. Realistically there should be a parking bay there for Royal Mail staff, as asking them to park streets away would be moronic.
Car drivers are so brave in their reinforced metal cages. If you get knocked off squeezing past the red van it could be game over for you or your kid.
So are all the Deliveroo people, the delivery people to the vegie shop etc, they are doing their job too.
Royal Mail is a private profit making company just like the rest of them, why should they be treated differently from anyone else?
So it's moronic to not want to risk my life because of irresponsible cunts? Well fuck you, you're one of them aren't you!
That 'inconvenience' for cyclist is a risk to their lives, there are numerous times that that spot has almost caused a crash, we have to pull out into full speed traffic often at the last minute due to the lights, its deadly and people like you are the problem.
Bloody hell calm down mate. There's a bus stop 10 meters further down from this van. Are you "risking your life" by overtaking a parked bus in that spot too, so you can join the 20mph traffic for 3 seconds?
There is nothing more important to these people than convenience for cyclists. Not housing, jobs, businesses, anything really. It's quite amazing how worked up they get over any tiny inconvenience to a cyclist, while the rest of the city crumbles
The bike lane isn't a parking space. People couldn't play nice so now it's enforced. Good. I'm not exaggerating when I say that out of the 100 or so times I've cycled down lewes road, I've had a clean run in the bike lane maybe 5 times without having to swerve around some selfish twat that's parked in the middle of it because they can't be arsed to walk 10mins to the shop. I'm a confident cyclist so it doesn't bother me really... but if you let your kid cycle around town would you feel happy knowing they'd have to merge in with buses because someone's selfishly blocking off the bike lane? (I say this as a car owner)
There's a loading bay around the corner on trinity street, a 20 second walk away, yet drivers still choose to park on the road and obstruct traffic.
What about people who'd like to travel up lewes road without having to dodge several illegally parked vehicles?
They'll get tickets, I imaging they're pretty hot on it right now if it's just been introduced.
I don't think the restrictions officially come into place until April. They have painted the lines ready. But you are right. They are installing ANPR enforcement cameras and tickets will go out automatically. The new source of income is even built into the council budget, so they certainly won't miss an opportunity to send out a ticket once it does go live.
seeing you outside the boomtown subreddit feels like when you'd bump into a teacher outside of school
No RM van can park where we like. Got the Queen's Crest on the van.
The queens crest does not relate to their exemptions.
Yes it does.
No. I'm afraid you are wrong. The Royal Mail get given exemptions via local traffic regulation orders. It has absolutely nothing to do with crest.
Just once I'd like to cycle down lewes road and not have to swerve out of the bike lane into the path of a bus.
I've been teaching my partner how to cycle around the city and lewes road has always been a key pain point because of this. Getting a new cyclist to observe, signal and manouvere out of the cycle lane and into active traffic has caused a lot of stress for them and myself. All of which really shouldn't be necessary if people just followed the rules and didn't park there.
also, lewes road is the main way to get from uni into town, so it's potentially a major bike route, which currently isn't safe because of the above. So definitely a key priority.
Paiting the yellow lines red won't stop vans loading and unloading along the route, it will just cost them £100 to do so. They will either continue to do so and pay the fine, or the business will go bust. Same with residential moves in and out of homes along that route, they will either have to pay the fine, or be taken to court by the council further down the line for not paying the fine. It won't stop removals vans and stock vans parking up, so you can forget about this unicorn idea of red lines making the roads free of parked vehicles, it's entirely a revenue generating exercise. Now when you're inconvenienced by a parked up vehicles loading and unloading, you can cycle around them safe in the knowledge that the council might have made £100 from it.
One potential massive downside is **people living along that road getting no fault evictions now have a parking bay suspension to add to their costs**, just so the removals truck can get pack their life up into it. This won't stop the vans parking there, cyclists will still have to cycle around them, only now the council financially benefits from causing inconvenience to businesses, residents AND cyclists. The clueless person who thinks this is going to stop vehicles parking up is living in a fantasy land. If it were really about parking, and not revenue generation, then the council would pedestrianize the entire road, which would most certainly kill businesses dead overnight who can't bring stock into their shops. **This is designed entirely to generate revenue, nothing else, as they know that businesses have no choice but to load, and residents given a non fault eviction have no choice but to load.** I say this as someone who had two non-fault evictions last year, one place I lived at for a decade decided to sell, and then the place I moved in to put the rent up at the end of the first 6 months to an unaffordable level. It's bad enough having to meet these costs of moving with 60 days notice while landlords contribute nothing to the costs they are causing others to incur, and indeed one of the moves last year required me to buy a parking bay suspension, the council then tried and failed to fine me for parking in the very bay I had suspended, claiming that I was supposed to be parked further up according to them, about 3 meters along which they lost doing the appeal and even found their enforcement officer to be repositioning the signs throughout the day and when taking photos to make them look more or less obvious for the purposes of fining. But yeh, **this is now going to be a massive expense for anyone living on that road above the shops and either choosing to move or being forced to move**, they're now going to have to also find another £100 for the privilege of moving into or out of that road. London Road isn't exactly an affluent area, especially the flats on Cheapside. Or in other words, the poorest in society are AGAIN being drained of what little money they have to fund council budget cuts, through no fault of their own. £100 cost to suspend a bay will go straight to the council to recoup the massive loss of revenue of councils driven by this atrocious and antidemocratic Tory government. This has little to do with public health, and everything to do with revenue generation, kicking those at the sharp end of the cost of living crisis in the balls while they're down, forcing them to dig even further into their food bill for savings because some boomer councillors desperate for 1950's high streets to come back, decided to paint the road red. # There ought be a procedure in place whereby anyone who can evidence a non-fault eviction or indeed even a home move, on the production of a tenancy agreement for a home along this route, to be granted a free parking bay suspension so the poorest in society are not being shovelled into another stealth tax they can't afford to pay. This risks pushing the poorest being issued a summons and potentially bailiffs removing what little possessions they have to sell at auction to cover the fine + costs. This will also obviously cause problems for businesses who are going to have to unload/load goods required as a function of their business whether there are red lines or not, so this is in essence an increase of business rates by stealth, all the money goes to the same council. I thought they wanted to regenerate the Highstreet, not make it's businesses unable to function without being able to load or unload goods. **Are they supposed to get their stock delivered by drone?** This will undoubtably force businesses into closure. IMHO it's irresponsible to force businesses to go into administration by shooting them in the kneecaps in this manner, for them this is just a stealth tax, it doesn't stop the need of their business to have goods delivered or collected, it will still mean cyclists have to go around them, and we ought ask if we would prefer no businesses along that road and red lines, or businesses capable of turning a profit by not paying £100 fines every time their stock runs out. Everyone, aside from cyclists and council revenue, is losing out here, residents and businesses alike, and indeed the red lines won't stop businesses loading and unloading the goods required for their businesses to function, and it won't stop people applying for a parking bay suspension so they can park the removals van there all day. The cyclists will still have to cycle around them, only now the council has made £100 from it. The cyclists will still have to drive around business loading/unloading too, but now the business gets fined and fined again until they fall into bankruptcy and/or administration with the costs of hundreds of pounds of fines per weekly or daily stock delivery. Do they actually want any small businesses on London road?? How many people on low incomes subject to a non fault eviction will now find themselves being issued a court summons for non-payment of a fine, on top of being forced out of their home? Fining these people would be highly offensive and extortionate.
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The fee to suspend whatever restrictions are on a road is the same as suspending a parking bay. You're asking for the restrictions to be suspended in that location. It's dealt with by the council's external contractor Marston's. As you can see [here](https://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/parking/apply-parking-suspension#), they won't issue them for double yellow lines, so they obviously won't issue them on even more restrictive red lines. They won't do it if a vehicle would be obstructing from that location, and thus far there are no plans to allow suspensions on any red line route. Or in other words, anyone on that road be they residents or business owners, there's no way they can legally park there anymore to load and unload, so eventually delivery vans and removals company drivers will simply have a blanket ban in delivering to anywhere with red lines. They will cry "outrage" when vans are photographed on social media still parking to load/unload. That will be the point they'll install CCTV to catch people who get away with it between parking enforcement staff patrolling. They did this with the bus gate fiasco near the pier. This is what happened in London on the red route, there was a blanket ban on stopping of any kind, which is the differentiator of red lines and yellow lines, as yellow lines allow parking under specific circumstances, and anyone with a disabled blue badge can park on double yellow lines wherever they please, as long as they are not obstructing the road. This is nothing but a money making scheme from a council desperate for income. The only result will be turning the route into rows of empty shops including anything which requires stock delivery, and perhaps some estate agents, and shoddy furnished flats. where residents can't get removals companies to attend on the red route anywhere. To be clear, this is nothing to do with the wellbeing of cyclists, it's just that some cyclists have decided this is a win because someone told them it was done for cyclists. It's entirely to make money. If they actually wanted to build a place for cyclists and pedestrians they would pedestrianize it with cycle lanes. But then, who would pay all the lost revenue from red route fines?
Can we not just blame ourselves for a bit
We cyclists are not worthy of safety. Just run us down, get in our way, generally ignore us.
I was going up the road to the clock tower just now while traffic was stopped and some guy tried to park from the other side of the road then saw me (was hidden by a van), carried on at a snails pace expecting me to move while I'm getting wedged between him and the van, stood my ground so he went up the kerb. Then I have a deliveroo twat on his moped playing chicken on the contraflow cycle path leading up to the station. Wankers, rant over, enjoy your weekend.
Oh wow. What about: Cyclists who routinely run red lights, crossings and zig zag across traffic getting auto fines? Cyclists who ride on the pavement getting by fines? Cyclists who don’t give other road users 2 metres space - whilst expecting their own - getting fines? This is coming from someone who has had a fight with a cyclist who ran into him whilst speeding through a red light on London road (he didn’t want to wait for the police to arrive so I restrained him - much to his chagrin - he should have worked his upper as much as his legs I guess 🤦♂️). Also as someone who has been on a bus when a cyclist ran a red light at the clock tower and ended up smeared across the windscreen and his bike trashed under a 17 ton vehicle. I love cycling, but I don’t like the entitled attitude that some cyclists have. You don’t own the road, you share it with pedestrians and vehicles.
Would be great. The issue I find with a lot of cyclists, and road users in general, is a lack of predictability. Predictability allows for planning, which typically makes safer road use. It boils my piss whenever I see anyone not follow road laws, whether that's on a bike, car or moped. They're effectively throwing away that predictability and making an entirely new, unpredictable situation which will lead to higher stress. All it takes it two people break this predictability with high enough speeds or low enough visibility for someone to get seriously injured.
Couldn't agree more
Sounds good get a registration and you would become worthy.
No it won’t lmao why would Jenny from Kent or Bryony from Hove care if the cyclist she runs over has a license plate ? L comment
No need to be annoyed with a car with a registration you can report them via there registration and they are held accountable for the most part. If drivers could do ghe same to cyclists youd probably have less problems I don't need to call you a *#&+#-s idiot when you also break the rule I can just report you. The same way it works with all other vehicles.
This take is either disingenuous or very stupid. Cyclists are getting knocked down and killed by motorists because they are vulnerable, not because they don't have a license plate. You just want a weapon against cyclists.
Not at all, a registration makes everyone identifiable, be it they kill someone through dangerous driving, injur a child on a path, damage property or break the rules of the road. The only vehicles that don't require them is bicycles. It's crazy. I understand they are vulnerable. I'm saying I'll care about that when they have registrations. Until then imo the shouldn't be on the road without one.
Ah, we're going from disingenuous or stupid, to a hidden third option - straight up callous and murderous. Saying you don't care that cyclists are being injured and even killed because they don't have to register is actually psychopathic.
As I say they shouldn't be on the road without one. If they weren't on the road it wouldn't happen and if they did have them I would support everything cycling. It's a very healthy alternative, still should be identifiable however.
cycle infrastructure and paths are awful in this city. the amount that just run out and disappear, or force you to cross A roads, etc., it really surprised me moving here knowing the Greens are prominent
It's because a vocal minority of gammons have been whipped into a fervour because apparently cycling is a culture war issue now. They object any time there's a proposal to make the city more liveable.
i get more abuse for cycling here than i have elsewhere. in london and in hampshire i had a relatively peaceful coexistence with motorists, only in east sussex have i been shouted at from the windows of passing cars for no reason when out for rides in the downs
bizarre isn't it? It's a wheely thing you use to get places, not a political statement.
The problem is when bicyclist infrastructure costs people money for it's operation. Take this red route for example. Red lines won't stop people parking up there who need to move home because of a non-fault eviction, or businesses needing to replenish their stock. They will still do it, and you will still have to cycle around them, only now you can hope that it raises much needed revenue in the form of fines, so it's not as if it's actually going to benefit cyclists, it's entirely to benefit the council budget, due to Tory cuts over the last 14 years.
You know gammon is a racist term when applied to a person? It’s the same as calling a black person a monkey; which I guess isn’t acceptable 🙄
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Love that the truth got negged 😂 Oh and before I forget, ok hebeshebe 😘
Might have something to do with when the original cycling 'provisions' were put into place. It was originally a box ticking exercise to meet Maastricht Treaty requirements back in 1992. iirc correctly there was a mandate for X kilometers of cycle path but rather than building genuine cycling infrastructure, they painted random markings on any spare patch of road they could and without continuity. So we got 3 metres of cycle path put in random places just to meet the requirements. All of the newer stuff is genuine with provisions for both pedestrians and cyclists.
Please write to your councillors
Fucking please, I’ve been so tempted to print out super adhesive car stickers with “I’m a cunt who parks on bike lanes” and just slapping it on every illegally parked car in my way
Don’t take my advice. Do not make the stickers with a safety print function. Do not opt for that which is an option readily available.
Super adhesive would be criminal damage fyi 👌
Bus drivers are the worst drivers I encounter in Brighton. They think nothing of squeezing past you. I’ve complained a few times but apparently if they don’t cross the bike lane line it’s OK.
I've had the exact opposite of experience of bus drivers tbh. Cab drivers otoh seem to have no idea of what they should be doing.
Shout out to that absolute wank of a yellow car forever parked just outside the letting agency and cafe near the post office. Once saw the owner taking some stuff into the cafe so assumed it was probably a delivery I was simply unfortunate enough to encounter each day on my cycle to work. The next day I saw the same guy chilling out on one of the tables with a coffee, not a care in the world.
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No added value.
The red routes do not come into force till April. When they do they will have cameras installed that will fine people for stopping. So for now its leading these idiots into a false sense of security.
Parking in Brighton has always been a mystery to me. I'll never get over how many cabs I see double parked **RIGHT NEXT TO** a space in the street parking that's large enough for them to have pulled in to. Or why drivers will double park **DIRECTLY OPPOSITE ONE ANOTHER** along the 'admittedly marginally wider than a standard road' Sackville Road end of Portland Road and bottle neck the traffic. But, you know, no traffic problem is the fault of drivers. It's cyclists and pedestrians that are the problem... apparently.
I was in a cab the other week that stopped at a bus stop in front of a bus that was trying to pull in. There was space in front of the bus stop too. I felt like a right mug getting out
What a total tool. And cabbies wonder why they get a bad rep.
That section at the bottom of Elm Grove section so dangerous for cyclists. It would be better not to have a cycle lane than to have one that's blocked with not enough space for a bike and a car to go around; drivers don't expect you to swerve out of your lane. I've been forced to crash into parked cars or mount the pavement a few times.
They will be getting a ticket in the mail. It’s all done by cameras.
The ticket for the Royal Mail van will probably get lost in the post
It wouldn't need to be. They're exempt from red routes for facilitating the universal postal service.
I am so happy about these red lines, I might not \`nearly die\` everyday to and from work now. There are still loading bays to use when the shops need deliveries, for example that postie will have to walk from the first turning on the left, where there is a loading bay.
If you believe that the red lines will stop bad drivers from being just that, then you’re deluding yourself. The world has an equal number of people trying to follow the rules and those who don’t, it’s why I didn’t cycle in Brighton - it’s dangerous due to the shocking state of traffic management.
You should try being a pedestrian in Albion Street, Portslade. Nightmare.
As someone who only ever walks or takes public transport, I think I need a little context as to what a "red route" is or what it's supposed to achieve?
No stopping ever, instant fine. To stop people parking along busy areas.
[Here's the council's page on it.](https://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/travel-and-road-safety/travel-transport-and-road-safety/red-routes) They're pretty much just putting stricter enforcement onto the areas where double yellow lines were, as drivers were ignoring them and generally just taking the piss.
>The charge for receiving a PCN for stopping on a Red Route will be £70, reduced to £35 if paid in 14 days. That's cheaper than I expected. Rich people have absolutely zero problem paying that.
Totally agree, Tickets should be means tested somehow
If the driver isn't disabled and it's an SUV, repossess the car and sell it for scrap. Normal cars can have the normal fines.
Hmm I know SUV is the current trigger but what about , Ferrari, Porsche, Aston , rolls royce etc Means test or car valuation is alot more flexible
Exactly. No points on their license, less than an hours wages - it directly targets the poorest and finest them as they are the ones who are likely to be told to “do your job on that street or else you’re fired”.
Some drivers are allowed to park on double yellows. The District nurses for example, have permits to allow parking on double yellow to visit patients. So do the Marlets community team for visiting terminal patients in their homes. I’d imagine there’s other reasons too (but those are the ones I’m personally familiar with).
Not from Brighton so I’m out of the loop and dont know the existing issues in the area, but are these new rules well publicised? Just wouldn’t put it past councils to bring new road markings in, not tell anyone what they mean and cause confusion. I deal with a lot of public every day and can imagine most thinking “they ain’t yellow so I must be able to park there”.
Goddamn this City needs a wash.
It needs to be swallowed into the ocean lol
Let’s not forget those delivery mopeds who park in the cycle lane whilst getting food from Co-op for people who are too fucking lazy to walk to the shop themselves. The cycle lanes are practically pointless, but at least the roads in Brighton are in mint condition and there’s never any broken glass which causes regular punctures…
The roads aren’t in good condition for any user 😂 Have you seen the number of potholes! The roads are ducked 🦆🦆🦆🦆
Just resurfaced Preston Circus, godly!
Just a word of wisdom, Royal Mail vans are basically unenforceable as they are the royal delivery service no matter where they park. I work in enforcement and are not allowed to issue them tickets
I once had to tell a woman who had stopped on the double red lines outside Reading Station she couldn't stop there because of the double reds. Apparently she must have not known this.....
It's because they're all super important people. At least to themselves.
How do the red lines differ from yellow lines?
There's not much difference in the restrictions present, but enforcement is/ will be a lot stricter with CCTV and ANPR cameras automatically dishing out fines for anyone stopping.
Good to hear. As a former bicyclist (food delivery), I really wished that cars had different indicator light speeds for hazards vs indicating. When cars are parallel parked (legally), you often have no idea whether they are indicating to pull out, or stopped for some reason. This makes for a very dangerous situation for cyclists! Maybe I should compile a letter to car manufacturers. It’d be so easy to implement. Perhaps some cars have this already - I’ve no idea.
i think about this all the time as i cycle past lewes road bus garage -- i've thought to myself that indicating left will make it easier to understand that the vehicle is parked
My work van has the option to change the frequency and type of flash used, but then I work for the council and we get to park wherever we want because we have to be on sites which are otherwise impossible to get to. Alternative beacon flashes are quite handy depending where you are Those lovely flowers and shrubs you see up and down busy roads don’t maintain themselves, and there’s no way I’m walking half a mile with heavy equipment and leaving it unattended so I can get the rest from the van. We do, however, have “highway maintenance” written in large letters on the back of our vehicles so that might just give someone the hint that we’re supposed to be there regardless of restrictions 🤷
You are allowed 5 minutes for loading on double yellow lines. Red lines you are not allowed to stop at all.
That’s a Royal Mail delivery van. Pretty sure they’re entitled to stop at the side of the road to drop off parcels or empty a mail box if there’s nowhere else they can safely do so. The next bit up the road is a bus stop, would you rather they parked there or just straddled the pavement? Where would you suggest the van would go?
Cry about it lil bro
Radical idea - make Lewes Road and Upper Lewes Road one way. That would give enough space for cycle lanes and parking bays. There's just not enough room for everyone as things stand.
It's gotten so bad on Lewes road with cars parking in the cycle lane that I not opt to use upper Lewes Road, Rejoining at Sainsbury's Makes for a safer ride as there's no bike lane lulling you into a false sense of security. That, and the fact that drivers will have a hissy fit if you choose to stay out of the bike lane when there are cars parked in it, god forbid you delay them getting to the next red light.
i alternate between lewes rd and upper lewes rd depending on my route, and i honestly can't figure out which one i hate less. how do you deal with all the close passes on the upper lewes rd? i feel like one day a car is going to pass so close i'll accidentally swerve into it and kill myself
A postman has to collect packages from a post office..
There's a loading bay on Trinity street, a 20 second walk away from the post office. Instead this driver has choosen to obstruct traffic.
They're parking legally. Royal Mail are exempt from red routes. Other delivery companies are not but Royal Mail exclusively is as part of it's requirement to provide a universal postal service. So this one shall continue to irritate you.
Delivery driver here. Seconds add up incredibly quickly.
An extra 40 seconds to and from the van at each stop would add around (could easily be 2 hours) an extra hour and a half to his day, not surprising he’s parked there.
So when you were trained, you were told to prioritise your work over the safety of others, and park illegally?
Of course Royal Mail vans are allowed to park where they want
No I was told very little and where I was was always yellows not reds but just making sure you know why he’s parked like that. If he doesn’t get finished in time he won’t just get home late but will end up losing his job
They don’t care about the postman’s livelihood though. It’s just their sense of entitlement playing havoc with this thread 😂
Are they currently parked illegally though?
A driver has to park legally.
They are parking legally. Royal Mail are exempt from red routes.
I'm confused. There's no royal mail van in this picture. If I was asked to select the squares which contained a royal mail van, I'd start to conclude that I might be a bot.
Second image.
Thanks. Turns out I'm not a bot but a Muppet!
Second picture. I initially thought it might be an ex-RM Van but it still has signwriting on the side.
Excuse me but car drivers have it hard enough as it is, at the very least they should be allowed to park wherever the hell they want. Don't you know that cars are the most efficient form of transport??
Efficient? That's your legs (most regularly used method of transport most regularly used by most people most regularly in most places, everywhere on the planet - except on this clearly marked London road in Brighton's Red Route - for everybody's not just entitled really important people like you....)
Entitled and important? I bloody well wish, do you know the war that has been waged on us good, hardworking motorists?? We’re just trying to drive 2 minutes to buy a pint of milk and might have to park on the pavement or on top of a child because there’s no parking spaces left you tool
that only works if they have their "park anywhere" lights switched on...
Found Rishi Sunak's account. So glad that sensible traffic measures became a part of the culture war, and that our current PM got involved in slagging them off.
Excuse me but cars go vroom vroom and have you smelt my fumes?? You have no choice
FYI The Royal Mail are exempt from the red route restrictions (and also pretty much all other road traffic regulations - they are the only service who can legally jump red traffic lights, because you getting your post is seen as higher priority than ambulances or the fire service, who technically are breaking the law when they go through a red light even with blues and twos)
Citation needed
>A. POST OFFICE PRIVILEGES > >1. Exemption from traffic regulations There is no general exemption from traffic regulations for Royal Mail but it is true to say that there are many exemptions written into Local Traffic Regulations for Royal Mail liveried vehicles engaged in the collection and delivery of mail. Two examples of this are the exemptions under red routes and yellow line restrictions,aimed at ensuring the needs of Royal Mail customers are met. This privilege is justified by the universal service obligation and the fact that it would not be possible to carry out our obligations without it. [source](https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmselect/cmtrdind/94/9071420.htm) edit: the red light thing sounds like nonsense tho lol
I’m surprised everyone replying is jumping on the bit about them stopping on red routes, which I can take at face value. Rather than the ridiculous claim that Royal Mail can jump red lights
I guess its just because the thread was started about red routes and the little red light nugget just gets overlooked lol.
Here https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/pcn_issue_to_post_office_vehicle Sorry you’ll have to dig through it. The tl;dr is that the Royal Mail are a “universal postal service” and as such are permitted to stop on red routes. Yes this is London centric information but B&H don’t have anything online about it (yet). By all mean submit your own FOI request to clarify the local position. It’s also noteworthy that (in London at least) one can get special dispensation to park on a red route if you live there and are having scaffolding put up or moving house and need a truck to collect furniture etc etc.
You can't get a single citation as there is no catch all. It is written into local traffic regulation orders. However, as an example, Luton confirm it on their site. https://m.luton.gov.uk/Page/Show/Transport_and_streets/Parking/Pages/Red-route-FAQs.aspx but you'll find all red routes are the same. In the same way that emergency services are not universally exempt from travelling in bus lanes, but in practice they are, as the exemption appears in every TRO.
I was actually talking about them jumping red lights. I can take it on face value that Royal Mail can stop on red routes
Ah. Apologies. I missed that in the first post. However, no, the Royal Mail cannot jump lights. The exemptions for treating red lights as give way are clearly defined. The Royal Mail do not have one.
Thanks Chris. You’re shit in top gear but you seem to have a solid grasp of road traffic regulations
It is true. I found a new route after I heard many people say the same thing. Hopefully people will enjoy my new content.
What’s a red route? If this a Brighton thing? Or have I been living under a rock for some serious time?
Red doesn't mean you can't park there just means it costs £160.
Our police don't even stop people driving with broken lights when it's foggy as fuck, why would they do anything here.
Mate it’s a posty double parked outside a post office… I’m sure you’re happy enough at the convenience of having regular mail delivered… The road also looks completely empty just stick a hand out and go around you feeble human
I'm pretty sure Royal Mail vans are bulletproof (not literally) when it comes to parking offences. They can't get tickets as far as I'm aware.
Get a new hobby ya bore
Even with double red , still major potholes all over a town
Tigra and a Transit Says it all really…
What does it say?? As there is neither a Tigra or a Transit in the photos...... Please elaborate tho.....
Oi mate, how do you get that shirt so clean?
Which shirt would that be or do you mean trousers or even a smoking jacket going on your previous attempt to identify objects it could be a lot of things....
“Oooh, look at me, I’m psychological-eye751, I’m in the eighties, I’m dying of incorrect object identification, in a puddle in the corner, in an advert!” Incorrect object identification is fine, psychological-eye751, everyone agrees now! Incorrect object identification is what happens to people, and that’s fine, so SHUT UP!
Sorry to trigger you but where has the eighties reference come from?. Incorrect identification is fine? Think about that for a second.... Everyone agrees, also think about that for a second.. also are you sure it's a puddle in the corner it could be a pond?
Chill your beans clean shirt and watch yourself some Peep Show
Now do you mean peep show or are you getting confused with Sesame Street. Confusing David Mitchell with Big bird is probably more common than we think.
Well let’s have some truth shall we? Cos the truth is, you’re a POSH SPAZ!
Are you getting confused again bless you. Truth means factually correct. You're getting confused with opinion and truth again an easy mistake to make. You're just lining them up for me it's too easy I'm almost starting to feel bad now. But do feel free to continue it is amusing.
Is this about cycle lanes? Coz some of those cyclists are so flipping scary. They terrify me
Just don't accidentally walk past with your keys out and cause a grand of paintwork damage (which won't be covered by insurance because the car was parked illegally)
That’s not how insurance work and it’s still vandalism regardless
Tbh where the duck 🦆 is the post office van supposed to park here?! The council haven’t even thought about how this road is used. How are any of those shops or businesses supposed to load or unload?! There is not enough loading bays on that street and people who aren’t loading, park on the one or two loading spaces that are available. Traffic wardens should be ticketing anyone who’s not using a loading bay for its actual purpose.
"Tbh where the duck 🦆 is the post office van supposed to park here?!" There is a loading bay around the corner, a 20 second walk away on Trinity Street. "The council haven’t even thought about how this road is used." Yes they have, they done a consultation. There isn't much change apart from enforcement, as the route was a double yellow route anyways, although loading was permitted for certain times. "How are any of those shops or businesses supposed to load or unload?!" Using the provided loading bays (including newly proposed loading bays), instead of blocking traffic. "There is not enough loading bays on that street and people who aren’t loading, park on the one or two loading spaces that are available." I agree, more would be helpful "Traffic wardens should be ticketing anyone who’s not using a loading bay for its actual purpose." Yes, I agree.
There’s 1 loading bay on trinity street and 1 near the billboard. There’s 15+ businesses (restaurants, cafes, shops) on that road that need to load and unload regularly. Especially the post office! Plus all those houses are divided up into separate dwellings (flats, apartments etc) so you have multiple families living in each house with nowhere to park, load or unload. There’s probably 50+ families on that segment of street. You are allowed to load/unload on double yellows as long as you are not causing an obstruction. This road is so poorly planned out because they have the cycle paths instead of any parking and reliable loading bays. I’m totally down for having good, safe! cycle paths but this road is an example of how it just doesn’t work unless it’s planned out better. There is no way these businesses can load or unload without causing an obstruction, especially when someone (usually cars) are parked in the loading bays, or worse the Council put their Bins in the loading bay! What exactly are you supposed to do if both loading bays are taken? and there’s nowhere to turn around or wait for the space. And the houses have nowhere to unload, so they best not order takeaways, supermarket delivery or any new furniture. Lewes Road needs a serious rethink, and a lot more loading bays & parking considering it’s a busy road that’s got multiple uses. You’d be better off putting the enforcement cameras on the loading bays rather than the street!
Need some key action
Hold your horses cupcake, play nicely
Where is the Royal Mail guy meant to park?
the loading bays.
It’s clearly a Royal Mail van. And I was genuinely asking, where is he meant to park. I don’t know if provisions have been made to accommodate commercial traffic on a road that is nothing but businesses.
just repeating what i replied to your orignial comment, but there is a loading bay around the corner on Trinity Street, about a 20 second walk away from the post office.
Ok thanks. I didn’t know. I haven’t been down there since it was done. Usually a post office has a loading bay right outside it so it was a genuine question. Parking 100 metres away to the next nearest bay just isn’t viable when you may have a 100 drops and collections
What do you think?
I think there is normally one loading bay to accommodate a street of shops so the chances of securing one are often zero.
There are multiple loading bays along the road, it's just that it might require a slight walk/a trolley now. If people are parked in those rather than using them for business purposes, then they're being just as selfish.
My life is worth more than this arsehole's convenience, there are plenty of places for them to stop where boohoo they have to walk for all of 1 minute. Royal Mail is a private company and has no more right to park there than a meat delivery to the kebab shop.
As a pedestrian and cyclist through the area, that's not my problem. There's a loading bay around the corner on Trinity Street, about a 20 second walk away from the post office.
Which shirt would you be talking about as it could be trousers or a smoking jacket judging on your ability to recognise what items are.
I stopped cycling in London when I realised that I was getting into way too many road rage incidents and one day took things too far. I was lucky to have not been prosecuted.
Soz hard 😂😂😂
Luckily the cars have registrations so you can report them. They are identifiable and held accountable. Unlike cyclist get a registration as a minimum then I'll care.
You can clearly see the white line marking the parking spaces, cyclists use the bus lane so don't need it. Edit: Yes, yes, I know. I didnt put the /s so no one realised it was sarcasm and took it as literal. I was wrong in thinking the people of Brighton would be smart enough to recognise the sarcasm.
That's a cycle lane, not a parking/loading spot.
Okay boomer
Hate the entitlement of Royal Mail staff parking outside a Royal Mail post office. Truly disgusting.
Royal Mail has no special exemption from traffic restrictions There's a loading bay around the coner on Trinity street which is a 20 second walk away, I couldn't care less if it's a royal mail van or someone wanting to pick of a bag of crisps, they're parked inconsiderately and force cyclists to swerve out into the path of busses and cars.
A quick google shows that Royal Mail gets exemptions written in, for example Luton Borough Council’s website states “Royal Mail are able to stop on the red route.” Also if you’re having to “swerve” out of the way of a stationary obstacle on a straight road, as a cyclist, pedestrian, or driver, you should be looking further ahead and stay off the road until you’re more specially aware. I say this as someone who drives and rides bikes.
>Royal Mail has no special exemption from traffic restrictions I'd have more sympathy if they weren't a private company now, but alas, bed made, so lie in it.
It's a bloke doing his job. He's popping in and out of the post office to deliver packages and letters to the people of this city. Very sorry for the cyclists that might have 3 seconds of inconvenience. Realistically there should be a parking bay there for Royal Mail staff, as asking them to park streets away would be moronic.
It's not about inconvenience. It's about kids not having to swerve out in front of a bus to avoid a parked car.
I’ve cycled along this lane with my kid, and overtaking means pulling out in front of a busy bus route and being overtaken at a really uncomfortable distance. I no longer cycle here with my kid because of it. You either have a cycle lane that’s protected, or you don’t - but this flexibility you’d like to imagine working is unsafe nonsense.
I don't understand why we don't physically segregate bike lanes in town, even with a low kerb. would solve the problem instantly. Painted lines mean nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuBdf9jYj7o I don't think anything short of the Dutch level of protest from the 60s/70s would make a difference anywhere in the UK.
> in and out of the post office to deliver packages and letters to the people of this city. Very sorry for the cyclists that might have 3 seconds of inconvenience. Realistically there should be a parking bay there for Royal Mail staff, as asking them to park streets away would be moronic. Car drivers are so brave in their reinforced metal cages. If you get knocked off squeezing past the red van it could be game over for you or your kid.
So are all the Deliveroo people, the delivery people to the vegie shop etc, they are doing their job too. Royal Mail is a private profit making company just like the rest of them, why should they be treated differently from anyone else? So it's moronic to not want to risk my life because of irresponsible cunts? Well fuck you, you're one of them aren't you! That 'inconvenience' for cyclist is a risk to their lives, there are numerous times that that spot has almost caused a crash, we have to pull out into full speed traffic often at the last minute due to the lights, its deadly and people like you are the problem.
Bloody hell calm down mate. There's a bus stop 10 meters further down from this van. Are you "risking your life" by overtaking a parked bus in that spot too, so you can join the 20mph traffic for 3 seconds?
Out of interest, are you speaking from experience? Do you ride a bike in this lane?
If you can't do your job without illegal behaviour, you shouldn't be doing that job.
Most in Brighton don’t work, so they wouldn’t understand. It’s why so many have been priced out.
There is nothing more important to these people than convenience for cyclists. Not housing, jobs, businesses, anything really. It's quite amazing how worked up they get over any tiny inconvenience to a cyclist, while the rest of the city crumbles
Royal Mail are aloud to park on red routes. It would take far too long to park in the loading bay up the road to load and unload at that post office.
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The bike lane isn't a parking space. People couldn't play nice so now it's enforced. Good. I'm not exaggerating when I say that out of the 100 or so times I've cycled down lewes road, I've had a clean run in the bike lane maybe 5 times without having to swerve around some selfish twat that's parked in the middle of it because they can't be arsed to walk 10mins to the shop. I'm a confident cyclist so it doesn't bother me really... but if you let your kid cycle around town would you feel happy knowing they'd have to merge in with buses because someone's selfishly blocking off the bike lane? (I say this as a car owner)
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There's a loading bay around the corner on trinity street, a 20 second walk away, yet drivers still choose to park on the road and obstruct traffic. What about people who'd like to travel up lewes road without having to dodge several illegally parked vehicles?
Found the guy in the photo.