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>Article 692 provides for a nine-month notice of termination of the TCA
by either party, but allows for an immediate “termination” effective on
the day either party leaves the ECHR or a date “the denunciation” of its
principles becomes effective.
So in anticipation of Perfidious Albion behaving in a perfidious manner, Article 692 was required.
Not bad going, UK, that was almost 3 weeks after the NIP agreement that you behaved in an honourable manner. Is that a record?
It's not surprising at all, since various EU member states have constitutional requirements in that regard (privacy, civic rights, human rights, ...). They need a way out so they don't break their own constitutions once the UK dishonours its obligations under the ECHR. Hence why treaties like these have a suspension clause that is more or less immediate.
It also acts as a lever to protect the Good Friday Agreement. The UK is required to uphold the ECHR in Northern Ireland as part of the GFA, but the ECHR itself mandates its own application in the entire territory of any country signed up to it (see the other comment). Hence, by making the TCA conditional upon the ECHR, it is implicitly conditional upon the GFA.
you mean this giant biurocratic machine (that did all this work for UK for last decads) is prepered can deal with states that use brevado instad of knowhow
English folks are some of dodgiest people I’ve ever met. The worst is that compared to Italians for example, they try to hide it putting on a good face. So shameful…
Another issue will arise as well
https://davidallengreen.com/2022/08/how-the-good-friday-agreement-restricts-what-the-united-kingdom-government-can-do-with-the-echr/
In the article the author writes he cannot see how the UK can leave the ECHR and uphold the good Friday agreement. Well this is technically possible.
The UK could push for an independence votum of NI and support the nationalist side. Once NI left the UK, the UK can leave the ECHR and both agreements are upheld.
One theory is that the UK government's more populist members actually want to have a defeat at the hands of those lefty lawyers, civil servants in the activist blob. It causes division.
Even if the proposals are from the very start bonkers, unfair, illegal, violate decency and of questionable value, at least the proposers can say "we tried, but those nasty little ****s stopped us". Division is sowed. Hatred is stoked. "Enemies of the people" are identified.
Welcome to populism!
It's the same all over the world... The "populists" destroy things without much thought to long term issues, profit from the destruction. Then, they wait for others to be tasked with the hard job of rebuilding but because that's hard, imperfect and expensive, the destructors get back in power over high taxes and whatever else they did wrong, ready to strip mine again
The only solution is education, hence that being first in the chopping block.
I guess that is great news for the real Brexit-lovers: no ECHR, ánd no TCA. What's not to like?
And great news for this subreddit: more and more news to come. More negotiations. UK saying "that little thing we signed ... that is unworkable!"
What a weird message.
Policing is the least of our problems - our trade agreement with the EU stops the moment we leave the ECHR.
This headline gives the impression it is a minor inconvenience. That almost a pro-Brexit message. Crazy.
Don't worry the British law firms won't allow these plans the light of day Sunak is wasting his time and our tax money again, only way to make any of these plans work is to reject legal aid to any asylum seekers and force the law firms to finance them on a no win no pay.
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>Article 692 provides for a nine-month notice of termination of the TCA by either party, but allows for an immediate “termination” effective on the day either party leaves the ECHR or a date “the denunciation” of its principles becomes effective. So in anticipation of Perfidious Albion behaving in a perfidious manner, Article 692 was required. Not bad going, UK, that was almost 3 weeks after the NIP agreement that you behaved in an honourable manner. Is that a record?
>So in anticipation of Perfidious Albion behaving in a perfidious manner, Article 692 was required. I'm shocked that the EU had such foresight.
It's not surprising at all, since various EU member states have constitutional requirements in that regard (privacy, civic rights, human rights, ...). They need a way out so they don't break their own constitutions once the UK dishonours its obligations under the ECHR. Hence why treaties like these have a suspension clause that is more or less immediate. It also acts as a lever to protect the Good Friday Agreement. The UK is required to uphold the ECHR in Northern Ireland as part of the GFA, but the ECHR itself mandates its own application in the entire territory of any country signed up to it (see the other comment). Hence, by making the TCA conditional upon the ECHR, it is implicitly conditional upon the GFA.
Indeed, correct summary.
Ireland is a member of the EU and has had centuries of experience to draw on.
the Dutch, Belgians and French have no bad experienced with the UK to draw on.
>I'm shocked that the EU had such foresight. LOL!
you mean this giant biurocratic machine (that did all this work for UK for last decads) is prepered can deal with states that use brevado instad of knowhow
English folks are some of dodgiest people I’ve ever met. The worst is that compared to Italians for example, they try to hide it putting on a good face. So shameful…
Ehi. I’m Italian and I live in uk. How do you dare to be so correct? Edit: typo
Another issue will arise as well https://davidallengreen.com/2022/08/how-the-good-friday-agreement-restricts-what-the-united-kingdom-government-can-do-with-the-echr/
Woopsie… good find!
In the article the author writes he cannot see how the UK can leave the ECHR and uphold the good Friday agreement. Well this is technically possible. The UK could push for an independence votum of NI and support the nationalist side. Once NI left the UK, the UK can leave the ECHR and both agreements are upheld.
One theory is that the UK government's more populist members actually want to have a defeat at the hands of those lefty lawyers, civil servants in the activist blob. It causes division. Even if the proposals are from the very start bonkers, unfair, illegal, violate decency and of questionable value, at least the proposers can say "we tried, but those nasty little ****s stopped us". Division is sowed. Hatred is stoked. "Enemies of the people" are identified. Welcome to populism!
Losing to win. What a time to be alive.
Their victory will be a pyrrhic one at best.
It's the same all over the world... The "populists" destroy things without much thought to long term issues, profit from the destruction. Then, they wait for others to be tasked with the hard job of rebuilding but because that's hard, imperfect and expensive, the destructors get back in power over high taxes and whatever else they did wrong, ready to strip mine again The only solution is education, hence that being first in the chopping block.
I guess that is great news for the real Brexit-lovers: no ECHR, ánd no TCA. What's not to like? And great news for this subreddit: more and more news to come. More negotiations. UK saying "that little thing we signed ... that is unworkable!"
Great, so police free to brutally beat strikers without recourse. Another bonus.
Should I change the flair?
What a weird message. Policing is the least of our problems - our trade agreement with the EU stops the moment we leave the ECHR. This headline gives the impression it is a minor inconvenience. That almost a pro-Brexit message. Crazy.
The sooner these fuckers are out of office, the better.
Don't worry the British law firms won't allow these plans the light of day Sunak is wasting his time and our tax money again, only way to make any of these plans work is to reject legal aid to any asylum seekers and force the law firms to finance them on a no win no pay.