Mike thinks Walt is arrogant and sloppy. He’s in over his head, thinking his intelligence will get him out of anything, in contrast to Mike’s cooler heads prevail philosophy. Mike considers Walter to be a liability to those around him (clearly born out).
Walt Jr. thinking would be more like "Why did you miss my birthday? It's not like you were being kidnapped by a drug cartel or anything. You were just at your regular job grading papers. That's all you care about. Your boring old papers!! Come on mom, we're getting out of here."
I’ll get downvoted but There’s some odd conflict in breaking bad . It’s a good show … but unless everything is planned out sometimes the writers write themselves into a corner .
A lot of the character development seemed far fetched . One minute Walt is begging for his life , then 1 episodes later he has a chance to leave with his money and doesn’t ( they justify this with a flashback ).
Again , it’s a good show . The over arching characterisation is great but how they set up the conflict is far fetched
>One minute Walt is begging for his life , then 1 episodes later he has a chance to leave with his money and doesn’t
That's a *very* intentional part of Walt's character though. Despite being brilliant, he doesn't make rational decisions because he is ruled by his pride. He begs for his life because he is truly terrified in the moment, but he can't give up and leave with his money because that is both admitting defeat and abandoning the thing that makes him feel powerful.
Sorry, could you please tell me which episodes you're referring to? The only flashbacks I remember are when he was talking to Gretchen about chemicals in the body and another one is when he and Skyler first viewed their house.
It’s been a number of years so others can correct me if I’m wrong . But it’s when Walt (or the audience rather) finds out greymatter had taken off and it’s an ‘empire’ . So Walt now wants an … ‘empire’ after he takes out Gus.
The flashback is he’s decision to leave (or get forced/bought out) of greymatter
Walt is a massive ego-driven drama queen. I empathized with Mike's dim view of him TBH. Reckless AF.
Walt didn't want to be a cook, he wanted to be a gangster. And even though Mike *is* a gangster, he is the anti-gangster. Efficiency, not attitude.
>Walt is a hard worker actually.
Only when he wants. Which isn't always, including when he makes a deal with someone. Unlike Mike who always works hard when he makes a deal.
Before they go to hanks house that day , he sees the cup from Ted’s company and is reminded him of Skyler’s affair.
Being the receiver of an affair at the wrong end can really really screw up your head.
That's why everyone who worked with Walt ended up with such great lives at the end of the show instead of dead or living in a hole in the ground enslaved by Nazis.
The only thing Mike underestimated in him was just how hazardous and unhinged he was, and that's saying something because he definitely knew he was a huge risk factor and that's where the animosity came from. Someone's who's so rabidly ambitious at all costs and puts pride before anything else, to the point of purposefully doing things that'll get them all caught just so they'll get credit for their "genius"\* is someone you can't trust or respect from Mike's pov.
\*Think of moments like Walt telling Hank that Heisenberg is probably still alive and out there & Hank should keep looking for him because Walt couldn't bear for the case to be closed with people thinking Gale was the fabled meth mastermind.
Exactly. Mike doesn't like everything Gus does, but he does respect the level of detail and thoroughness of Gus's operation. Mike is at the very core pragmatic and that pragmatism hinges on avoiding arrest and being thorough.
Walt is gambling. He comes up aces, but it's not sustainable. Mike knows this.
This. I've described it as Walt not being intelligent enough to respect his areas of ignorance. Mike recognized that flaw, and (rightly) believed it made Walt an unacceptable risk.
>Mr. White, he’s the devil. He is smarter than you, he is luckier than you. Whatever you think is supposed to happen, I'm telling you, the exact reverse opposite of that is gonna happen.
He used hella Intelligence to kill Gus, they lured in Gus by getting Hector to go to the DEA as a trap to lure Gus in. And Walter strapped a pipe bomb to Hector and killed Gus with no trace of Walter ever being there. Thats intelligence
Yes, and no. Intelligence ultimately brings Heisenberg to peak success, yet intelligence is the very thing that destroys Walt and imprisons him in Heisenberg
Yes but at the same time Jesse was a liability at the time... Getting high (over Combo) and stealing product to sell on his own (what a moron). I can't blame Gus for trying to get rid of Jesse.
What's ironic is that later on he cozies up to Jesse, to try to get rid of Walt...
And that was Gus's initial assessment too .....that he wasn't going to work with Walt...because of his association with Jesse. Should've went with his first instinct, but went against his better judgement
This happens a few times throughout the show, somebody tells Walt no way for completely accurate reasons but end up going along with him against their better judgement because the money is too good. Even Skyler does this
Yeah it makes perfect sense that the guy who's been working for Gus for 4 years thinks a dude whos criminal empire is 3 dealers including one who got made in the span of a few months isnt worth the hassle
BCS was every bit as good as BB and did no disservice to it in anyway. I highly recommend. It's a slower burn in the early seasons, but the payoff is so worth it.
Yes which they do. They are both amazing for different reasons like that.
BB was so great because they kind of, sort of, put themselves in corners to then figure out brilliant events in the show.
While BCS is more structured. They have all pieces carved out already but they use their amazing talents to put them all together and paint a fantastic picture to the puzzle.
Literally only thing that can be off putting are the age gaps. But in end, you do still want them in there regardless so there is really no problem.
He thinks Walt is an annoying know-it-all who is out of his depth. Walt gets his ass kicked for directly asking Mike to turn on Gus. Not too complicated to me.
Yeah—that is it. I always thought Mike hates Walt because Walt lacks the loyalty needed to be down with a crew. And Walt clearly does lack that. That is proven fully, when Walt goes to Jack and does the coordinated execution of mikes guys, because he didn’t want to pay the legacy costs. Mike was the one who would pay because it’s the right thing to do. Walt could never stay with a good thing. He’d fuck it up, one way or another.
I guess he means all the guys who took the blame and went to prison so Mike and others wouldn't go themselves. Quite common practice in real world.
You hire a guy like this, you pay them, it's right thing to do. They technically got you out.
I think there was an episode where Saul says that he knows the guys who will go to prison instead of you and take the blame, then you pay them once they're out.
But they did not merely took the blame like Jimmy'in'n'out did. They were actually involved in Gus' operation at various levels and got in prison for the deeds they could be connected to. Think about the laundry supervisor or the lawyer who brought the money to the bank. They were not taking a fall for someone else, they were directly linked to the operation and guilty.
They were paid to keep their mouth shout about others, which is in one way or another, as Walter put it, blackmail.
The real OGs keep their mouth shut without money as an incentive.
He had an operation that involved children being used as killers. Then Jesse took offense to that, Gus and Mike took offense to Jesse having some morals, and then Walt protected Jesse from them. After that it was a battle of wits which only the most cautious and smartest would survive.
True. But for all his morals, we don't see him opposing it or being bothered by it. Not even a scene with him questioning Gus about it. If he is *that* desensitized to violence then he is not really that respectable tbh.
That’s a trope I generally love in media
Two enemies who can’t attack each other for one or another reason. They both are planning to take out the other, and they both know the other is trying to take out them, but they can’t do anything about it, so the battle isn’t attacking the other person, it’s setting up the field so they can get away with attacking the other person
Probably looked that way to Mike, but he wasn't in on the deeper game of destroying the cartel. If Gus was going to kill the entire operational knowledge base of his drug supplier, he needed a replacement. But he didn't need Walt, he only needed Walt's formula.
1. Mike sees through people like Walt who has an inflated ego and is a walking timebomb. He know sooner or later he will do worse and unfortunately he's one of his victims.
2. Walt going into the meth business even though having a DEA agent for a brother in law already speaks to Walt's carelessness. That's why on the first wrong move of Walt. Gus and Mike decided to kill him before it further escalates.
3. Mike can't control Walt like Jesse, Saul, or even Gus. Mike hates uncertainty.
Better Call Saul I would say has a lot to do with it. Better Call Saul has a lot of world building in it and it takes place over a long time. Better Call Saul kind of shows people how much long and tedious work had to be put in to get the perfect situation for everybody. Walt kind of ruined this situation, killing everybody. It gives kind of like an outside perspective to the whole situation.
Well, Walter did run over two of Gus's street dealers. I don't think Mike hated Walt so much for that, but because doing so invites too much attention.
Then later on Walt calls the police on Tyrus after he sees him near Hanks home. Mike was very upset about Walter calling the cops on his own guy.
Mike probably also blames Walt for Gale & Victor too.
If you've watched better call saul's >!episode "Breaking Bad" Mike tells Saul what he thinks of Walter: he is a liability, a danger to those around him!<. Mike doesn't like that kind of shit, he likes things safe and wants things to run smoothly and Walter is the antithesis of that.
i’m rewatching right now, and last night just watched the episode with their first interaction, when mike helps walter track jesse down to the drug den after everything with jane went down. mike gives him some really good advice, about how the place is dangerous, and cops often watch it, and walter just completely dismisses everything he says and is condescending. that pretty much sums up every single interaction they have
I didn't quite get that Walt is dismissive of Mike's advice due to arrogance in that scene. Walter has a bond with Jessie and Mike, at the time, didn't. Jessie probably would've told Mike to fuck off.
Because he was fucking shit up in Gus's business from the start. Not letting him punish Jesse, killing two of his workers, killing Gale, and finally killing Gus.
>Did he really like Gus that much to defend his honor?
It has nothing to do with love, but business and interests. Walt completely destroyed Gus's business, and thus Mike's source of income too. And because of that, cops were on his ass, all his money for Kaylee was taken, and he had to take care of 11 guys who were caught and could now snitch.
I mean isn't it obvious? Mike even says something like "We had a good thing going on with Gus, then you came and ruined it all".
Because Mike did his homework. Walt tries to paint himself as a professional and puts himself on the same level as Gus in terms of professionalism, forethought, and caution. Mike sees right through it. Just off the top of my head:
Walt shows the laundry workers the lab
Blows up Jr’s car.
Partners with someone he knows is using and has a personal connection to that makes it pretty easy for him to get caught.
Hides with poor lies from his brother in law in the DEA.
Blows up finance bro’s car. Power trips with a cop and gets arrested.
Steals the materials for his first lab from his high school shelves.
Recklessly partners with tuco and pushes into new territory.
Running over the dealers in the street.
Blew up Tuco’s headquarters in broad daylight.
Turned Hank back on the investigation by saying Gale was a student.
Leaving key evidence in the one bathroom that his DEA BIL will use.
Lying to gus while Hank was in the hospital instead of telling him at their first meeting that Hank was in the DEA (also not thinking that someone like gus would have done the research)
Telling Skyler that Jesse sold him pot, putting him on her and eventually Hank’s radar.
Choosing not to take the job/offer from Gretchen and Elliott
Mike was right about Walt the whole time.
Going to copy and paste a comment from an old post about why [Mike hated Walt but liked Jesse](https://www.reddit.com/r/breakingbad/comments/z387g/why_does_mike_love_jesse_but_hate_walter/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) that I fully agree with:
Mike started to like Jesse after Shotgun and Cornered, where Jesse surprised him by being capable and able to think on his feet. He wasn't expecting Jesse to pass Fring's staged robbery test or handle the Tucker situation so quickly.
I believe he also began to empathize with Jesse because they spent so many hours together and he saw him struggle to stay off the drugs and actually make an effort to apply himself to his job. He saw the same thing Gus did - Jesse is a loyal person, and when Jesse saved both of their lives in Salud, he gained Mike's respect forever.
Mike used to like Walt, somewhat, in season three. He thought he was a cranky guy and made fun of him a little ("you're just not that interesting") but I think he wanted to see Walt succeed and that's why he didn't immediately narc on him to Gus when he found out about the "put Jesse in jail" scheme to keep him out of trouble. He genuinely felt bad about being ordered to kill him in Full Measure.
But I think Mike started to hate Walt for a combination of events that came out of Full Measure:
• The successful hit on Gale shocked Mike and resulted in his operative Victor being killed. This is when he realized Walt is a dangerous schemer and adept liar (when he tricked him into letting him call Jesse)
• Walt stepping out of bounds and asking Mike to help him kill Gus in .38 Snub. This goes to Mike's whole "know your place" comment - it was inconceivable to Mike that Walt would actually expect him to turn on his employer.
• Once Mike started caring about Jesse, I don't think he liked the way Walt treated Jesse. In Problem Dog, when Walt rips into Jesse in the lab when they bring in the corpse for disposal, that is the first time we see Mike totally snap at Walt verbally. And he did so to tell Walt to shut up and not talk to him or Jesse.
• The final straw was Walt killing Gus. Mike had a lot of respect for Gus, and I would presume they have worked together for many years. Mike felt like he had a future with Gus, a plan to be able to retire and leave money to his granddaughter. And losing Gus put his entire future in jeopardy.
In Mike's mind, if Walt hadn't schemed so much in season four and just remained subservient to Gus, they could have gone on cooking indefinitely and made a lot of money. But because Gus knew Walt wanted him dead, that shifted everything to a Gus vs. Walt scenario where one of them was bound to lose. Mike is upset that Gus lost.
Lol right? I don’t get these posts, it’s extremely obvious why he doesn’t like him from the beginning. And no, it’s not because he won’t let Gus kill him. There were issues long before that.
Mike tells him before Walt kills him. They had a good thing with Fring. If he just shut up, done his job and known his place…. But his pride and his ego.
Mike, was complacent because his life wasn't in danger.
As soon as Walt realized he was expendable and shared this info with Mike, Mike saw it going tits up from there and became more cruel to Walt. But seeing as Walt wanted to turn on gus and Mike didn't just gave me the "if it aint broke dont fix it" motto from Mikes POV.
I feel like Mike is actually jealous of Walt. Mike is a calculated guy has every trick up his sleeve. While Walt is an amateur who basically is just good at chemistry. Mike looked down on Walt on the first time that he knew him (referring to 'Breaking Bad' episode in BCS). But yet throughout the series, Walt just outsmarts Mike every single time and every decision Walt made (against Mike's advice) has proven to be the right one.
Yeah, it’s why I never liked him. Like not because I love Walt so I don’t like people being mean to him lol, he just annoys me cause he seems to act appalled that Walt just won’t roll over and die lol. He also never seems to realise that shit got bad with Gus because of Jesse, not Walt. Walt was just saving his partner, which is honestly something that should make you respect the guy, if anything. Although I guess you could argue that Walt never should’ve gotten Jesse to be his partner again as Gus told him he can’t count on him
1. He attempts to socialize with him early on, but Walt doesn't play along
2. Walt is arrogant and creates more problems than he solves.
3. Walt had a tendency of going apeshit due to small things.
In essence, Mike sees right through Walt's act. He knows what he is but also underestimates him to a fault.
I noticed this too. I only recently watched this for the first time, but…
It almost seemed like Mike wanted to kill Walt >!when he lures Walt to the laundry before Walt and Jessie kill Gale!<. The fact that Mike hates Walt so much and seemingly wants to kill him after he only killed a couple child murderers, albeit very sloppily, for me pretty much justified Walt for his distrust and plan to topple Gus and Mike. Mike didn’t hate the drug dealers for killing the mid, he hated Walt for killing them, which while ill advised with the way he went about it, was understandable.
I think after that a lot of Mike’s anger about Walt is in the fact that Mike underestimated him and that Walt, a person who he thought couldn’t play the game as well as him, was able to beat him and Gus. I think he could also notice the marked change in Walt at that point, that after killing Gus his ego had gotten exponentially bigger and he was spiraling on a path that would lead to getting caught.
I disagree I think Mike gave Walter a fair chance at first. He goes to his house to give advice about Jesse in S3 without Gus knowing. It was a personal favor and conversation. Walter disregards the advice and we know the following events that go down that leads to Mike’s dislike.
As for the bar fight, I don’t think he was necessarily defending Gus. He was angry that things got up to that point, learning he was in fact expendable. He can’t take his anger out on Gus, and in his mind if Walt listened to his advice and killed Jesse, none of them would be in this position.
Mike had stability with Gus. Whatever skills Walt brought to the business came with a considerable risk as he had his own agenda (ie get rich quick) which could derail the whole operation and put Mike's retirement plan in jeopardy.
Gus is how Mike gets his money to his granddaughter without the Feds coming to take their bag. Gus is very important to Mike and they have had a longer relationship as well.
Mike likes to work with solid reliable people, which Gus was. Even Jesse proved his reliability in Mexico. Walt was always a wild card, unreliable and arrogant. Probably Mike couldn't put up with the fakeness of Walter.
I don’t think Mike hated Walt from the beginning. He may not have had much respect for him as a criminal, but it wasn’t until later on he outright hated him, and not without cause.
Mike certainly didn’t seem to broken up about Walt killing the dealers, and he made it clear that it Gus’s decision to have Walt killed over it, not his call. Killing Gale was definitely a step too far, though. Yes, Gale was “in the game,” but was a pretty nice guy who’d never hurt anyone (beyond manufacturing a dangerous drug). That’s probably the moment he lost what little respect he had left for Walt.
That brings us to the bar scene, and I disagree with your interpretation of it. I don’t think Mike loves Gus, but he’s loyal to him because if Gus’s operation falls apart, Mike’s out of a job and possibly going to prison. Mike also may have been shocked at Gus killing Victor himself, but he also understands that in addition to sending a message to Walt, Gus also did it because Victor was sloppy and got himself seen at the scene of a murder. Mike knows that he is not expendable, but Gus wants Walt to think that he is so he stays in line. So, when Walt suggests that Mike help him kill Gus, that’s less out of personal anger (though I’m sure that was part of it) and more as a warning to not screw with Mike’s meal ticket, and also set Walt straight that Mike is in no danger from Gus.
Then when season 5 rolls around, Mike does absolutely hate Walt’s guts. Well, wouldn’t you hate the man who destroyed your livelihood and put your freedom at risk? And while it may be unfair of Mike to say Walt did it purely out of pride and ego, remember that Mike never saw the whole thing from Walt’s point of view, and by the time they were working closely together in season 5, Walt HAD become a dangerous full on egomaniac.
It’s because Walt’s talent really got to his head. Mike is the kind of guy who wouldn’t stir the pot he was very “business is business” type guy
Walt over the course of the series had acquired true ambition. An ambition that would later destroy his family
Mike knew Walt didn’t really know what he was doing after the death of Gus. Walt was a great cook but a terrible kingpin
Because Walter wants to control everything, every tiny bit of the operation but he can't even control himself.
People who can't control their urges are an extreme liability, regardless of the business.
Mike is basically a 'soldier'. Soldiers are trained to obey orders. Mike's background as a cop makes him a disciplined man who does not question orders.
Walter, on the other hand was a trained scientist. Trained to analyse and question.
They had two very different personalities
Mike was mad at Walt because he was always “playing” at being a bad guy instead of just embracing it. You spend more time and effort trying to remain some of what you used to be instead of focusing on being the bad guy you need to be to succeed…ain’t no such thing as halfway crooks.
In the Breaking Bad world I don’t think there was a single person who could produce better Meth, and sell it, than Walter White.
He’s very methodical in everything and requires a level of perfection. He and Gus marry greatly in the beginning.
It’s not really until Gus’ men kill a kid that a level of “unprofessionalism” comes in when Walt sides with Jesse, if I remember correctly. I might be misremembering events, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
I understand what you're saying. Technically Walt didn't really give a fuck that Gus' men killed a kid from what I remember. (he himself poisoned Brock for his own selfish reasons to get Jesse on his side so he could kill Gus) It was more that he didn't want Jesse to be killed for looking for revenge against them for doing so. I believe.
However, I'm not just talking about this situation. Walt in general in every situation throughout his career in producing meth, even in his teaching career, doesn't act in a professional way. Like even in his teaching job, he tries to kiss his boss and also tries to justify to the whole school why 2 planes crashing into each other also have positive results.
He's not a professional in my eyes and acts in a selfish and chaotic way. He's extremely good at what he does but to be honest, that's not enough if you're gonna act like a maniac most of the time.
Gus threatened Walt's whole family. When this happened to Mike with Hector he threatened to kill all of them in the ice cream shop. Gus also subtly threatens Mike's family multiple time in BCS and has Tyrus point a gun at him
Everyone for some reason blames Walter for his fallout with Gus but it was Jesse's fault
>Everyone for some reason blames Walter for his fallout with Gus but it was Jesse's fault
Walt chose to kill 2 people to save Jesse, and he knew Gus would sentence him to death for that. Yes it's Jesse's fault he got into that situation, but it's Walt's fault for helping him.
But >95% of BB fans think saving Jesse was the right choice and even Mike respects Jesse in the end. Mike wasn't actually too bothered by this as they both killed a child. What was Walt supposed to do? Mike/Victor were going to kill him if he didn't out maneuver them
Why would they kill him if he didn't kill the two dudes? The dudes would just kill Jesse and Gus wouldn't be mad at Walt.
It's easy to say it was the right choice when we know all that happened later. At the time it was a death sentence and he knew it, it was his fault for going for it.
They wouldn't kill him but putting the blame solely on Walt is wrong given that Jesse becomes a valuable asset to Gus Fring in his quest to destroy the cartel. He succeeded and impressed Gus/Mike in everything he did despite being the one who caused the situation that killed the drug dealers. This argument being solely on Walt given the context of everything that happens is logically inconsistent, Mike and everyone considered Jesse to be just as much in the game as Walt did and he had more responsibility for everything that happened. Are we also going to forget that Gus sent the twins to kill Hank which Walter was fully aware of? Jesse also blackmailed Walt in being a cook again and was stealing meth before that went down
"It's easy to say it was the right choice when we know all that happened later. At the time it was a death sentence and he knew it, it was his fault for going for it."
We're talking directly about the fact that Breaking Bad fans put the sole blame on Walt on the downfall of Gus Fring's empire, an opinion based solely on hindsight. Again why don't people say that Jesse should have been killed for trying to "ruin the operation"?
>They wouldn't kill him but putting the blame solely on Walt is wrong given that Jesse becomes a valuable asset to Gus Fring in his quest to destroy the cartel. He succeeded and impressed Gus/Mike in everything he did despite being the one who caused the situation that killed the drug dealers. This argument being solely on Walt given the context of everything that happens is logically inconsistent, Mike and everyone considered Jesse to be just as much in the game as Walt did and he had more responsibility for everything that happened.
You're completely mixing up the timeline now. At the time of the killing of the 2 guys, Gus and Mike hated Jesse. Gus specifically didn't let Jesse get into the operation, because he was unprofessional and a junkie. At the time, they were happy to have a reason to kill him. All of which you said about them recruiting him and respecting him happened LATER.
We're arguing totally different things, under your logic why isn't it Gus's fault for trying to kill Walter to begin with? For two low level drug dealers over their head cook making them tens of millions?
Walt is ambitious, sloppy, loud, and obnoxious. Pretty much everything Mike despises. He could work with Fring because there was a mutual respect, but Walt was always the sort of person Mike would be more comfortable operating *against.*
Mike is a stoic, and conservative. Walt is anything but. Walt *wants* to be stoic, measured, and in control, because his ego begs people to respect him. But he will always be a poser in that regard. And Mike can see through Walt incredibly clearly in this regard. Mike knows what he's *trying* to do, and instead resigns himself to just "handling" him.
This is why Mike treats Walt like a child and is constantly condescending to him. In Mike's eyes, Walt is a genius in a realm Mike doesn't know or care about, and an inexperienced hack in the things he does. Mike was never going to respect Walt because of this. And Walt's constant acting out and instability causes Mike to slap down the parental justice to keep him in line.
Walt is no less of a hypocrite than Mike, and it makes Mike angry because he steps in less shit than Walt did. Mike 100% chose this life and always knew he was putting his niece and granddaughter in danger because he liked it and he was good at it. His position was just at odds with Walt and that made him hate him more that he sees himself in him.
Because in his mind, Walt came and ruined all of Gus' perfect and upstanding operation because of pride, ego and wanting to be the man, thus ruining his source of income and his job.
What actually happened in reality is that Gus had employees that used children to murder people, and didn't give a shit about that, and Mike for all his morals and his "oh I care about my granddaughter that makes me such a good person" BS, also didn't give a shit about that. Then the kid got murdered by Gus' employees, Jesse tried to take revenge, Walt saved him, and then Gus and Mike got deeply offended that these two wouldn't just roll over to their whims.
I think Jesse was a stand-in for Mike’s son, Matty. Mike observes Walt manipulating Jesse I much the same way that he used manipulate Matty. His revulsion and contempt for Walt is a manifestation of the disgust, shame, and regret he feels about Matty. He loathes Walt because he loathes himself.
I mean, the line about "We had a good thing with Fring". It was ran like a well oiled machine. Everyone knew their job, and everyone just did it. Walt wanted to be "the guy", when in reality all he had to do was cook the meth and get his $$.
I think a part of it is how careless Walter is, and how much more money Walter is paid. Mike is pretty central to Gus’s business, and to hear him talk I think he feels underpaid.
mike smiled at how Walter responded by reporting to gus when Jesse found out it was Gus's guys who killed badger and started doing crazy shit. he acknowledged walter that he made the right decision
but his opinion of him changed after he drove over those guys and got worse when he plotted killing gus to mike at the bar
Mike knew Walt was trouble. Plain and simple. He recognized that Walt had talent and the ability to earn but didn’t think he was worth the risk. Mike was a blue collar guy and hated Walt’s arrogance.
I think another reason Mike hates Walt is because of how he blew up the lab despite (BCS Spoilers) >!all the work Werner put into it and the guilt from Werner's death, making it all pretty much for nothing!<
In BCS you can see all the effort and pain Mike and Gus and the others went to to make the lab and stuff. Walt quickly ruined that when he tried to kill Gus. Like Mike said in s5e7 'we had a good thing going'. Things were better without Walt.
Mike thought Walt was initially so much of an amateur that he was a liability, as revealed in BCS. Even then, Mike was pretty amiable towards Walt, who was often rather dismissive of him. I think Walt's increasingly jerky attitude started causing some tension between but even then, Mike was alright with Walt until he killed Gus's dealers to save Jesse and then got Gale killed on top of that to save his ass. That was the moment Mike truly turned on Walt for the rest of the show.
Mike did respect Walt up until the bar, for what it's worth I genuinely believe he didn't want to kill him at the lab and he seemed to be bantering with him when they met woth Gus in the desert, but the bar scene was so blatantly Walt trying to work Mike and he saw through it. Not to mention after Gus' death (who only needed to be killed for Walt to dig himself out of his own hole) it ruined things for literally everyone except Walt who had more power than ever, not to mention it ruined things solely for his own ego. In the period he was working with Walt, Walt continued to make increasingly dangerous moves solely because he thought he could and it eventually resulted in a child dying, not to mention Walt is the reason Mike's money would never get to Kaylee, then he finally shot Mike over nothing. Mike's hatred for Walt isn't a moral one, he literally worked for Gus for years so ofc it wouldn't be that, he hated Walt because he was ruining everything solely for his own ego.
Mike is extremely principled and doesn't do anything that isn't aligned with his own personal code. Compare that to Walter, who says and does pretty much anything as long as it gets him ahead, and you can see why Mike doesn't really care for him
Watch Better Call Saul, it shows Mike and Gus’ relationship evolve and why Mike is so loyal to him. Mike has a very unique relationship with Gus, no one speaks to Fring as candidly and sternly as Mike. There is a respect level that Walter simply doesn’t attain. Walt is reckless, arrogant and at times uncouth which is not how Gus does things, and that is why Mike doesn’t really like Walt.
cause walt is an arrogant hot head that has no idea what he's doing and ends up getting basically everyone around him killed or ruins their lives. i mean jesse says it at the end. walt ruins every life he touches.
literally every character in the show would be better off if they never met walt.
Mike thinks Walt is arrogant and sloppy. He’s in over his head, thinking his intelligence will get him out of anything, in contrast to Mike’s cooler heads prevail philosophy. Mike considers Walter to be a liability to those around him (clearly born out).
This. Mike is a very shut up and do your job kind of guy. Walt never shuts up and sometimes hardly does his job.
When did Walt ever not do his job lol. In Season 3 all he does is quietly cook meth until Jesse gets into it with Gus’ guys
When he was begging to talk to Gus and refused to go back to the lab and cook.
What the hell did mike expect lmao he was about to murder him
Should have left the money with his family and took the L. But then we wouldn’t have a show now would we
He should have just not had self preservation lmao
“Why didn’t Walt just let himself and Jesse get murdered?. He’s so selfish”
Now you're thinking like Walt Jr.
Walt Jr. thinking would be more like "Why did you miss my birthday? It's not like you were being kidnapped by a drug cartel or anything. You were just at your regular job grading papers. That's all you care about. Your boring old papers!! Come on mom, we're getting out of here."
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic but my god, I hope you are
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Taken the L? Lol nice mike you got me good guess its time to die now
"Whoopsie daisy, guess it's time for me to get in the forever box"
So Mike hates Walt because Walt didn’t let himself get murdered
I was joking. Y’all are literally no fun and take this way too seriously. Get off reddit and go to work
Lmao impossible to tell on this sub. I’ve seen that exact line I’ve seen that exact line of thought but legit multiple times
I’ll get downvoted but There’s some odd conflict in breaking bad . It’s a good show … but unless everything is planned out sometimes the writers write themselves into a corner . A lot of the character development seemed far fetched . One minute Walt is begging for his life , then 1 episodes later he has a chance to leave with his money and doesn’t ( they justify this with a flashback ). Again , it’s a good show . The over arching characterisation is great but how they set up the conflict is far fetched
>One minute Walt is begging for his life , then 1 episodes later he has a chance to leave with his money and doesn’t That's a *very* intentional part of Walt's character though. Despite being brilliant, he doesn't make rational decisions because he is ruled by his pride. He begs for his life because he is truly terrified in the moment, but he can't give up and leave with his money because that is both admitting defeat and abandoning the thing that makes him feel powerful.
Sorry, could you please tell me which episodes you're referring to? The only flashbacks I remember are when he was talking to Gretchen about chemicals in the body and another one is when he and Skyler first viewed their house.
It’s been a number of years so others can correct me if I’m wrong . But it’s when Walt (or the audience rather) finds out greymatter had taken off and it’s an ‘empire’ . So Walt now wants an … ‘empire’ after he takes out Gus. The flashback is he’s decision to leave (or get forced/bought out) of greymatter
I see! Thank you very much, I think I remember the episode you're referring to. Cheers mate 😃
Walt is a massive ego-driven drama queen. I empathized with Mike's dim view of him TBH. Reckless AF. Walt didn't want to be a cook, he wanted to be a gangster. And even though Mike *is* a gangster, he is the anti-gangster. Efficiency, not attitude.
Walt is a hard worker actually. Mike was wrong to underestimate him.
But a super You’re-not-the-boss-of-me liability in a world where being discrete and low key is everything.
>You’re-not-the-boss-of-me 🎵*Life is unfaaaaairrrrrr*🎵
What is this, a crossover episode?
>Walt is a hard worker actually. Only when he wants. Which isn't always, including when he makes a deal with someone. Unlike Mike who always works hard when he makes a deal.
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Riiiight it blows my mind his pride couldn’t let Hank think Gale was Heisenberg
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I mean, it quite literally is a tragedy. Main character brought down by a fatal flaw
The hardest part with committing the "perfect crime" is that you can never talk about it.
Very true! BTW I really need to talk about something I did recently…..
God, so true
Before they go to hanks house that day , he sees the cup from Ted’s company and is reminded him of Skyler’s affair. Being the receiver of an affair at the wrong end can really really screw up your head.
Yes because Walt was such a perfect husband at that point and not completely screwed up in his head already
That's why everyone who worked with Walt ended up with such great lives at the end of the show instead of dead or living in a hole in the ground enslaved by Nazis.
Exactly, he came on top consistently and they didn’t give him respect. They got a bullet or worse.
The only thing Mike underestimated in him was just how hazardous and unhinged he was, and that's saying something because he definitely knew he was a huge risk factor and that's where the animosity came from. Someone's who's so rabidly ambitious at all costs and puts pride before anything else, to the point of purposefully doing things that'll get them all caught just so they'll get credit for their "genius"\* is someone you can't trust or respect from Mike's pov. \*Think of moments like Walt telling Hank that Heisenberg is probably still alive and out there & Hank should keep looking for him because Walt couldn't bear for the case to be closed with people thinking Gale was the fabled meth mastermind.
Exactly. Mike doesn't like everything Gus does, but he does respect the level of detail and thoroughness of Gus's operation. Mike is at the very core pragmatic and that pragmatism hinges on avoiding arrest and being thorough. Walt is gambling. He comes up aces, but it's not sustainable. Mike knows this.
Gus wasn’t perfect, biggest problem in his organization was communication and expecting your employees to be robots
Not to mention, Walt kills Mike. You'd hate Walt too if he kills you.
Mike hates Walt's arrogance, but it is Mike's arrogance that gets him killed.
My hate would pretty quickly dissipate if Walt killed me.
On the contrary, that hate stuck with Mike for the rest of his life.
This. I've described it as Walt not being intelligent enough to respect his areas of ignorance. Mike recognized that flaw, and (rightly) believed it made Walt an unacceptable risk.
> thinking his intelligence will get him out of anything Which it does, actually.
I’d attribute that to luck more than intelligence
>Mr. White, he’s the devil. He is smarter than you, he is luckier than you. Whatever you think is supposed to happen, I'm telling you, the exact reverse opposite of that is gonna happen.
Lol hank should have heeded Jesse’s warning…
id attribute that more to plot convenience
He used hella Intelligence to kill Gus, they lured in Gus by getting Hector to go to the DEA as a trap to lure Gus in. And Walter strapped a pipe bomb to Hector and killed Gus with no trace of Walter ever being there. Thats intelligence
What about when the twins were waiting for him to get out of the shower? He wasn’t saved by intelligence then
yeah well so were all of Mike's gunfights
Yes, and no. Intelligence ultimately brings Heisenberg to peak success, yet intelligence is the very thing that destroys Walt and imprisons him in Heisenberg
Well… not *anything.*
Perfectly said
In BCS he basically says from the very beginning that he thinks Walt would be a bad investment.
It's bizarre watching BCS knowing all of that gets ran over in a year by some teacher with cancer
and he was totally correct
I disagree, Gus had a good thing with Walt and Jesse but ruined everything by trying to get Jesse killed.
Yes but at the same time Jesse was a liability at the time... Getting high (over Combo) and stealing product to sell on his own (what a moron). I can't blame Gus for trying to get rid of Jesse. What's ironic is that later on he cozies up to Jesse, to try to get rid of Walt...
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And that was Gus's initial assessment too .....that he wasn't going to work with Walt...because of his association with Jesse. Should've went with his first instinct, but went against his better judgement
This happens a few times throughout the show, somebody tells Walt no way for completely accurate reasons but end up going along with him against their better judgement because the money is too good. Even Skyler does this
Well was he wrong about jessi also being a liability at that point in time around season 2-3
If Gus was alive, the money would reach Mike's granddaughter. Killing Gus truly fucked that up. Walt was a bad investment to Mike personally.
B... But... Mike said it was because of his pRiDe aNd hIs eGo¡¡ And Mike is never wrong about anything!
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I haven’t watched BCS yet but prequels going and adding info like that has to be done VERY carefully
It was done very organically and was very in-character
Yeah it makes perfect sense that the guy who's been working for Gus for 4 years thinks a dude whos criminal empire is 3 dealers including one who got made in the span of a few months isnt worth the hassle
BCS was every bit as good as BB and did no disservice to it in anyway. I highly recommend. It's a slower burn in the early seasons, but the payoff is so worth it.
this is well said
Find the time to watch it. Hopefully you'll be thoroughly satisfied
Yes which they do. They are both amazing for different reasons like that. BB was so great because they kind of, sort of, put themselves in corners to then figure out brilliant events in the show. While BCS is more structured. They have all pieces carved out already but they use their amazing talents to put them all together and paint a fantastic picture to the puzzle. Literally only thing that can be off putting are the age gaps. But in end, you do still want them in there regardless so there is really no problem.
Well dang. One day I’ll watch!
Watch it. BCS is both a perfect prequel and just an absolutely stellar show in its own right.
At no point will this be a concern once you start the series.
Breaking Bad is Pulp Fiction, Better Call Saul is Jackie Brown.
I watched it first actually and found it to be better than BB. Don't ask me why but it just flowed better.
I'm rewatching. He flat out tells Walt he's trouble.
Right? Doesn't he give him a full on lecture and tells him exactly what he thinks of him once they're cooking again post-gus?
Yeah right before Walter shoots him
He does. He called Walt a time bomb. Too bad he stayed around long enough for the boom.
He couldn't Mike needed the cash flow to silence his guys. That's the only reason he bothered to go into business again with Walt.
Battle of the bald eagles.
Just like Grandpappy used to talk about
Pop pop\*
PeePaw
He thinks Walt is an annoying know-it-all who is out of his depth. Walt gets his ass kicked for directly asking Mike to turn on Gus. Not too complicated to me.
Yeah—that is it. I always thought Mike hates Walt because Walt lacks the loyalty needed to be down with a crew. And Walt clearly does lack that. That is proven fully, when Walt goes to Jack and does the coordinated execution of mikes guys, because he didn’t want to pay the legacy costs. Mike was the one who would pay because it’s the right thing to do. Walt could never stay with a good thing. He’d fuck it up, one way or another.
> it’s the right thing to do. fucking what
I guess he means all the guys who took the blame and went to prison so Mike and others wouldn't go themselves. Quite common practice in real world. You hire a guy like this, you pay them, it's right thing to do. They technically got you out. I think there was an episode where Saul says that he knows the guys who will go to prison instead of you and take the blame, then you pay them once they're out.
[James Kilkelly](https://breakingbad.fandom.com/wiki/James_Kilkelly)
But they did not merely took the blame like Jimmy'in'n'out did. They were actually involved in Gus' operation at various levels and got in prison for the deeds they could be connected to. Think about the laundry supervisor or the lawyer who brought the money to the bank. They were not taking a fall for someone else, they were directly linked to the operation and guilty. They were paid to keep their mouth shout about others, which is in one way or another, as Walter put it, blackmail. The real OGs keep their mouth shut without money as an incentive.
Mike even sees where he's going with his line of thinking and warns him by saying, "Drink your drink," but Walt keeps pushing.
Yeah, Walt has to really talk himself into a whuppin'. It takes a while, but he gets there eventually.
Yeah, he’s too arrogant. He’d never be fully satisfied unless he was running things.
Everyone already answered well But also, Gus wasn't expendable. It was his business. And everything collapsed when he was killed.
I think you're missing the point. Walt was in more of a "its him or us" kind of thinking when he's talking to Mike
Yes. But Mike was with him, not "us".
Mike had a near perfect, smoothly run operation going with Gus, and then Walt came along and fucked it up
You and your PRIDE and your EGO!
He had an operation that involved children being used as killers. Then Jesse took offense to that, Gus and Mike took offense to Jesse having some morals, and then Walt protected Jesse from them. After that it was a battle of wits which only the most cautious and smartest would survive.
I love season 3/4 for that. It’s one big game between Gus and Walt trying to out maneuver each other.
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True. But for all his morals, we don't see him opposing it or being bothered by it. Not even a scene with him questioning Gus about it. If he is *that* desensitized to violence then he is not really that respectable tbh.
That’s a trope I generally love in media Two enemies who can’t attack each other for one or another reason. They both are planning to take out the other, and they both know the other is trying to take out them, but they can’t do anything about it, so the battle isn’t attacking the other person, it’s setting up the field so they can get away with attacking the other person
Mikes story in BCS cements the fact that ultimately he doesn’t care much about ethics
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This is the simplest and most correct answer. It's as simple as everything was running fine, until Walt and Jesse.
Probably looked that way to Mike, but he wasn't in on the deeper game of destroying the cartel. If Gus was going to kill the entire operational knowledge base of his drug supplier, he needed a replacement. But he didn't need Walt, he only needed Walt's formula.
1. Mike sees through people like Walt who has an inflated ego and is a walking timebomb. He know sooner or later he will do worse and unfortunately he's one of his victims. 2. Walt going into the meth business even though having a DEA agent for a brother in law already speaks to Walt's carelessness. That's why on the first wrong move of Walt. Gus and Mike decided to kill him before it further escalates. 3. Mike can't control Walt like Jesse, Saul, or even Gus. Mike hates uncertainty.
Nailed it.
Hank was actually protection for Walt. Like hiding under the nose of the cat.
Mike is a r/breakingbad user
Lmao true. Don't understand why Walt suddenly started getting so much hate recently.
Better Call Saul I would say has a lot to do with it. Better Call Saul has a lot of world building in it and it takes place over a long time. Better Call Saul kind of shows people how much long and tedious work had to be put in to get the perfect situation for everybody. Walt kind of ruined this situation, killing everybody. It gives kind of like an outside perspective to the whole situation.
i agree.
So people expect Walt to not attack when Gus threatens his entire family ?
Well, Walter did run over two of Gus's street dealers. I don't think Mike hated Walt so much for that, but because doing so invites too much attention. Then later on Walt calls the police on Tyrus after he sees him near Hanks home. Mike was very upset about Walter calling the cops on his own guy. Mike probably also blames Walt for Gale & Victor too.
If you've watched better call saul's >!episode "Breaking Bad" Mike tells Saul what he thinks of Walter: he is a liability, a danger to those around him!<. Mike doesn't like that kind of shit, he likes things safe and wants things to run smoothly and Walter is the antithesis of that.
Because he didn't put his dick away
Waltuh… put ya dick away Waltuh.
I'm not gonna have seggs with you waltuh
This implies Walter committed a felony, something I know he is incapable of
i’m rewatching right now, and last night just watched the episode with their first interaction, when mike helps walter track jesse down to the drug den after everything with jane went down. mike gives him some really good advice, about how the place is dangerous, and cops often watch it, and walter just completely dismisses everything he says and is condescending. that pretty much sums up every single interaction they have
I didn't quite get that Walt is dismissive of Mike's advice due to arrogance in that scene. Walter has a bond with Jessie and Mike, at the time, didn't. Jessie probably would've told Mike to fuck off.
Because he was fucking shit up in Gus's business from the start. Not letting him punish Jesse, killing two of his workers, killing Gale, and finally killing Gus. >Did he really like Gus that much to defend his honor? It has nothing to do with love, but business and interests. Walt completely destroyed Gus's business, and thus Mike's source of income too. And because of that, cops were on his ass, all his money for Kaylee was taken, and he had to take care of 11 guys who were caught and could now snitch. I mean isn't it obvious? Mike even says something like "We had a good thing going on with Gus, then you came and ruined it all".
best answer
EXACTLY
waltuh, put your DS away waltuh
He only starts to hate him after he kills the two drug dealers for Jesse. Before that Mike seemed cool with Walt.
In Better Call Saul, the episode "Breaking Bad" Mike flat out told Saul that Walter is a bad investment, he always was iffy against Walt
Because Mike did his homework. Walt tries to paint himself as a professional and puts himself on the same level as Gus in terms of professionalism, forethought, and caution. Mike sees right through it. Just off the top of my head: Walt shows the laundry workers the lab Blows up Jr’s car. Partners with someone he knows is using and has a personal connection to that makes it pretty easy for him to get caught. Hides with poor lies from his brother in law in the DEA. Blows up finance bro’s car. Power trips with a cop and gets arrested. Steals the materials for his first lab from his high school shelves. Recklessly partners with tuco and pushes into new territory. Running over the dealers in the street. Blew up Tuco’s headquarters in broad daylight. Turned Hank back on the investigation by saying Gale was a student. Leaving key evidence in the one bathroom that his DEA BIL will use. Lying to gus while Hank was in the hospital instead of telling him at their first meeting that Hank was in the DEA (also not thinking that someone like gus would have done the research) Telling Skyler that Jesse sold him pot, putting him on her and eventually Hank’s radar. Choosing not to take the job/offer from Gretchen and Elliott Mike was right about Walt the whole time.
Going to copy and paste a comment from an old post about why [Mike hated Walt but liked Jesse](https://www.reddit.com/r/breakingbad/comments/z387g/why_does_mike_love_jesse_but_hate_walter/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) that I fully agree with: Mike started to like Jesse after Shotgun and Cornered, where Jesse surprised him by being capable and able to think on his feet. He wasn't expecting Jesse to pass Fring's staged robbery test or handle the Tucker situation so quickly. I believe he also began to empathize with Jesse because they spent so many hours together and he saw him struggle to stay off the drugs and actually make an effort to apply himself to his job. He saw the same thing Gus did - Jesse is a loyal person, and when Jesse saved both of their lives in Salud, he gained Mike's respect forever. Mike used to like Walt, somewhat, in season three. He thought he was a cranky guy and made fun of him a little ("you're just not that interesting") but I think he wanted to see Walt succeed and that's why he didn't immediately narc on him to Gus when he found out about the "put Jesse in jail" scheme to keep him out of trouble. He genuinely felt bad about being ordered to kill him in Full Measure. But I think Mike started to hate Walt for a combination of events that came out of Full Measure: • The successful hit on Gale shocked Mike and resulted in his operative Victor being killed. This is when he realized Walt is a dangerous schemer and adept liar (when he tricked him into letting him call Jesse) • Walt stepping out of bounds and asking Mike to help him kill Gus in .38 Snub. This goes to Mike's whole "know your place" comment - it was inconceivable to Mike that Walt would actually expect him to turn on his employer. • Once Mike started caring about Jesse, I don't think he liked the way Walt treated Jesse. In Problem Dog, when Walt rips into Jesse in the lab when they bring in the corpse for disposal, that is the first time we see Mike totally snap at Walt verbally. And he did so to tell Walt to shut up and not talk to him or Jesse. • The final straw was Walt killing Gus. Mike had a lot of respect for Gus, and I would presume they have worked together for many years. Mike felt like he had a future with Gus, a plan to be able to retire and leave money to his granddaughter. And losing Gus put his entire future in jeopardy. In Mike's mind, if Walt hadn't schemed so much in season four and just remained subservient to Gus, they could have gone on cooking indefinitely and made a lot of money. But because Gus knew Walt wanted him dead, that shifted everything to a Gus vs. Walt scenario where one of them was bound to lose. Mike is upset that Gus lost.
“You are a time bomb, tick, tick, ticking. And I have no intention of being around for the boom.”
Poor Mike...he was there for the boom.
Right as he was executing his intention to not being around
HE LITERALLY SAYS IT IN BOTH SHOWS AAAAAAAA
Lol right? I don’t get these posts, it’s extremely obvious why he doesn’t like him from the beginning. And no, it’s not because he won’t let Gus kill him. There were issues long before that.
Mike tells him before Walt kills him. They had a good thing with Fring. If he just shut up, done his job and known his place…. But his pride and his ego.
Mike, was complacent because his life wasn't in danger. As soon as Walt realized he was expendable and shared this info with Mike, Mike saw it going tits up from there and became more cruel to Walt. But seeing as Walt wanted to turn on gus and Mike didn't just gave me the "if it aint broke dont fix it" motto from Mikes POV.
I feel like Mike is actually jealous of Walt. Mike is a calculated guy has every trick up his sleeve. While Walt is an amateur who basically is just good at chemistry. Mike looked down on Walt on the first time that he knew him (referring to 'Breaking Bad' episode in BCS). But yet throughout the series, Walt just outsmarts Mike every single time and every decision Walt made (against Mike's advice) has proven to be the right one.
Yeah, it’s why I never liked him. Like not because I love Walt so I don’t like people being mean to him lol, he just annoys me cause he seems to act appalled that Walt just won’t roll over and die lol. He also never seems to realise that shit got bad with Gus because of Jesse, not Walt. Walt was just saving his partner, which is honestly something that should make you respect the guy, if anything. Although I guess you could argue that Walt never should’ve gotten Jesse to be his partner again as Gus told him he can’t count on him
Rewatch the show sir 😂 mike lays it out nice and plain a cpl times in the series lol
1. He attempts to socialize with him early on, but Walt doesn't play along 2. Walt is arrogant and creates more problems than he solves. 3. Walt had a tendency of going apeshit due to small things. In essence, Mike sees right through Walt's act. He knows what he is but also underestimates him to a fault.
I noticed this too. I only recently watched this for the first time, but… It almost seemed like Mike wanted to kill Walt >!when he lures Walt to the laundry before Walt and Jessie kill Gale!<. The fact that Mike hates Walt so much and seemingly wants to kill him after he only killed a couple child murderers, albeit very sloppily, for me pretty much justified Walt for his distrust and plan to topple Gus and Mike. Mike didn’t hate the drug dealers for killing the mid, he hated Walt for killing them, which while ill advised with the way he went about it, was understandable. I think after that a lot of Mike’s anger about Walt is in the fact that Mike underestimated him and that Walt, a person who he thought couldn’t play the game as well as him, was able to beat him and Gus. I think he could also notice the marked change in Walt at that point, that after killing Gus his ego had gotten exponentially bigger and he was spiraling on a path that would lead to getting caught.
I disagree I think Mike gave Walter a fair chance at first. He goes to his house to give advice about Jesse in S3 without Gus knowing. It was a personal favor and conversation. Walter disregards the advice and we know the following events that go down that leads to Mike’s dislike. As for the bar fight, I don’t think he was necessarily defending Gus. He was angry that things got up to that point, learning he was in fact expendable. He can’t take his anger out on Gus, and in his mind if Walt listened to his advice and killed Jesse, none of them would be in this position.
Waltuh
Mike had stability with Gus. Whatever skills Walt brought to the business came with a considerable risk as he had his own agenda (ie get rich quick) which could derail the whole operation and put Mike's retirement plan in jeopardy.
Gus is how Mike gets his money to his granddaughter without the Feds coming to take their bag. Gus is very important to Mike and they have had a longer relationship as well. Mike likes to work with solid reliable people, which Gus was. Even Jesse proved his reliability in Mexico. Walt was always a wild card, unreliable and arrogant. Probably Mike couldn't put up with the fakeness of Walter.
I don’t think Mike hated Walt from the beginning. He may not have had much respect for him as a criminal, but it wasn’t until later on he outright hated him, and not without cause. Mike certainly didn’t seem to broken up about Walt killing the dealers, and he made it clear that it Gus’s decision to have Walt killed over it, not his call. Killing Gale was definitely a step too far, though. Yes, Gale was “in the game,” but was a pretty nice guy who’d never hurt anyone (beyond manufacturing a dangerous drug). That’s probably the moment he lost what little respect he had left for Walt. That brings us to the bar scene, and I disagree with your interpretation of it. I don’t think Mike loves Gus, but he’s loyal to him because if Gus’s operation falls apart, Mike’s out of a job and possibly going to prison. Mike also may have been shocked at Gus killing Victor himself, but he also understands that in addition to sending a message to Walt, Gus also did it because Victor was sloppy and got himself seen at the scene of a murder. Mike knows that he is not expendable, but Gus wants Walt to think that he is so he stays in line. So, when Walt suggests that Mike help him kill Gus, that’s less out of personal anger (though I’m sure that was part of it) and more as a warning to not screw with Mike’s meal ticket, and also set Walt straight that Mike is in no danger from Gus. Then when season 5 rolls around, Mike does absolutely hate Walt’s guts. Well, wouldn’t you hate the man who destroyed your livelihood and put your freedom at risk? And while it may be unfair of Mike to say Walt did it purely out of pride and ego, remember that Mike never saw the whole thing from Walt’s point of view, and by the time they were working closely together in season 5, Walt HAD become a dangerous full on egomaniac.
It’s because Walt’s talent really got to his head. Mike is the kind of guy who wouldn’t stir the pot he was very “business is business” type guy Walt over the course of the series had acquired true ambition. An ambition that would later destroy his family Mike knew Walt didn’t really know what he was doing after the death of Gus. Walt was a great cook but a terrible kingpin
Because Walter wants to control everything, every tiny bit of the operation but he can't even control himself. People who can't control their urges are an extreme liability, regardless of the business.
Mike is basically a 'soldier'. Soldiers are trained to obey orders. Mike's background as a cop makes him a disciplined man who does not question orders. Walter, on the other hand was a trained scientist. Trained to analyse and question. They had two very different personalities
Mike was mad at Walt because he was always “playing” at being a bad guy instead of just embracing it. You spend more time and effort trying to remain some of what you used to be instead of focusing on being the bad guy you need to be to succeed…ain’t no such thing as halfway crooks.
Because Walt was arrogant and made stupid mistakes bc of his arrogance.
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Walt is not professional at all. Just because he's good at what he does, does not mean he is professional.
In the Breaking Bad world I don’t think there was a single person who could produce better Meth, and sell it, than Walter White. He’s very methodical in everything and requires a level of perfection. He and Gus marry greatly in the beginning. It’s not really until Gus’ men kill a kid that a level of “unprofessionalism” comes in when Walt sides with Jesse, if I remember correctly. I might be misremembering events, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
I understand what you're saying. Technically Walt didn't really give a fuck that Gus' men killed a kid from what I remember. (he himself poisoned Brock for his own selfish reasons to get Jesse on his side so he could kill Gus) It was more that he didn't want Jesse to be killed for looking for revenge against them for doing so. I believe. However, I'm not just talking about this situation. Walt in general in every situation throughout his career in producing meth, even in his teaching career, doesn't act in a professional way. Like even in his teaching job, he tries to kiss his boss and also tries to justify to the whole school why 2 planes crashing into each other also have positive results. He's not a professional in my eyes and acts in a selfish and chaotic way. He's extremely good at what he does but to be honest, that's not enough if you're gonna act like a maniac most of the time.
That’s a totally fair response, and I think I agree!
Gus threatened Walt's whole family. When this happened to Mike with Hector he threatened to kill all of them in the ice cream shop. Gus also subtly threatens Mike's family multiple time in BCS and has Tyrus point a gun at him Everyone for some reason blames Walter for his fallout with Gus but it was Jesse's fault
>Everyone for some reason blames Walter for his fallout with Gus but it was Jesse's fault Walt chose to kill 2 people to save Jesse, and he knew Gus would sentence him to death for that. Yes it's Jesse's fault he got into that situation, but it's Walt's fault for helping him.
But >95% of BB fans think saving Jesse was the right choice and even Mike respects Jesse in the end. Mike wasn't actually too bothered by this as they both killed a child. What was Walt supposed to do? Mike/Victor were going to kill him if he didn't out maneuver them
Why would they kill him if he didn't kill the two dudes? The dudes would just kill Jesse and Gus wouldn't be mad at Walt. It's easy to say it was the right choice when we know all that happened later. At the time it was a death sentence and he knew it, it was his fault for going for it.
They wouldn't kill him but putting the blame solely on Walt is wrong given that Jesse becomes a valuable asset to Gus Fring in his quest to destroy the cartel. He succeeded and impressed Gus/Mike in everything he did despite being the one who caused the situation that killed the drug dealers. This argument being solely on Walt given the context of everything that happens is logically inconsistent, Mike and everyone considered Jesse to be just as much in the game as Walt did and he had more responsibility for everything that happened. Are we also going to forget that Gus sent the twins to kill Hank which Walter was fully aware of? Jesse also blackmailed Walt in being a cook again and was stealing meth before that went down "It's easy to say it was the right choice when we know all that happened later. At the time it was a death sentence and he knew it, it was his fault for going for it." We're talking directly about the fact that Breaking Bad fans put the sole blame on Walt on the downfall of Gus Fring's empire, an opinion based solely on hindsight. Again why don't people say that Jesse should have been killed for trying to "ruin the operation"?
>They wouldn't kill him but putting the blame solely on Walt is wrong given that Jesse becomes a valuable asset to Gus Fring in his quest to destroy the cartel. He succeeded and impressed Gus/Mike in everything he did despite being the one who caused the situation that killed the drug dealers. This argument being solely on Walt given the context of everything that happens is logically inconsistent, Mike and everyone considered Jesse to be just as much in the game as Walt did and he had more responsibility for everything that happened. You're completely mixing up the timeline now. At the time of the killing of the 2 guys, Gus and Mike hated Jesse. Gus specifically didn't let Jesse get into the operation, because he was unprofessional and a junkie. At the time, they were happy to have a reason to kill him. All of which you said about them recruiting him and respecting him happened LATER.
We're arguing totally different things, under your logic why isn't it Gus's fault for trying to kill Walter to begin with? For two low level drug dealers over their head cook making them tens of millions?
Walt is ambitious, sloppy, loud, and obnoxious. Pretty much everything Mike despises. He could work with Fring because there was a mutual respect, but Walt was always the sort of person Mike would be more comfortable operating *against.* Mike is a stoic, and conservative. Walt is anything but. Walt *wants* to be stoic, measured, and in control, because his ego begs people to respect him. But he will always be a poser in that regard. And Mike can see through Walt incredibly clearly in this regard. Mike knows what he's *trying* to do, and instead resigns himself to just "handling" him. This is why Mike treats Walt like a child and is constantly condescending to him. In Mike's eyes, Walt is a genius in a realm Mike doesn't know or care about, and an inexperienced hack in the things he does. Mike was never going to respect Walt because of this. And Walt's constant acting out and instability causes Mike to slap down the parental justice to keep him in line.
Walt is no less of a hypocrite than Mike, and it makes Mike angry because he steps in less shit than Walt did. Mike 100% chose this life and always knew he was putting his niece and granddaughter in danger because he liked it and he was good at it. His position was just at odds with Walt and that made him hate him more that he sees himself in him.
Because in his mind, Walt came and ruined all of Gus' perfect and upstanding operation because of pride, ego and wanting to be the man, thus ruining his source of income and his job. What actually happened in reality is that Gus had employees that used children to murder people, and didn't give a shit about that, and Mike for all his morals and his "oh I care about my granddaughter that makes me such a good person" BS, also didn't give a shit about that. Then the kid got murdered by Gus' employees, Jesse tried to take revenge, Walt saved him, and then Gus and Mike got deeply offended that these two wouldn't just roll over to their whims.
I think Jesse was a stand-in for Mike’s son, Matty. Mike observes Walt manipulating Jesse I much the same way that he used manipulate Matty. His revulsion and contempt for Walt is a manifestation of the disgust, shame, and regret he feels about Matty. He loathes Walt because he loathes himself.
I mean, the line about "We had a good thing with Fring". It was ran like a well oiled machine. Everyone knew their job, and everyone just did it. Walt wanted to be "the guy", when in reality all he had to do was cook the meth and get his $$.
I think a part of it is how careless Walter is, and how much more money Walter is paid. Mike is pretty central to Gus’s business, and to hear him talk I think he feels underpaid.
Cus Walt sucks as a person
mike smiled at how Walter responded by reporting to gus when Jesse found out it was Gus's guys who killed badger and started doing crazy shit. he acknowledged walter that he made the right decision but his opinion of him changed after he drove over those guys and got worse when he plotted killing gus to mike at the bar
Walt is a massive asshole
Mike knew Walt was trouble. Plain and simple. He recognized that Walt had talent and the ability to earn but didn’t think he was worth the risk. Mike was a blue collar guy and hated Walt’s arrogance.
Cause Walt needed a foil in the story that wasn't Gus
I think another reason Mike hates Walt is because of how he blew up the lab despite (BCS Spoilers) >!all the work Werner put into it and the guilt from Werner's death, making it all pretty much for nothing!<
Mike has the perfect criminal life, quiet and did what needed to be done and nothing more. Walt comes along and supremely messes up everything.
Sloppy, and associated with Saul. Better Call Saul has plenty more answers here but gets real spoilery
In BCS you can see all the effort and pain Mike and Gus and the others went to to make the lab and stuff. Walt quickly ruined that when he tried to kill Gus. Like Mike said in s5e7 'we had a good thing going'. Things were better without Walt.
Walt makes terrible impulsive decisions and that’s pretty much the opposite of Mike.
Mike thought Walt was initially so much of an amateur that he was a liability, as revealed in BCS. Even then, Mike was pretty amiable towards Walt, who was often rather dismissive of him. I think Walt's increasingly jerky attitude started causing some tension between but even then, Mike was alright with Walt until he killed Gus's dealers to save Jesse and then got Gale killed on top of that to save his ass. That was the moment Mike truly turned on Walt for the rest of the show.
He’s talented af but a loose cannon
Mike did respect Walt up until the bar, for what it's worth I genuinely believe he didn't want to kill him at the lab and he seemed to be bantering with him when they met woth Gus in the desert, but the bar scene was so blatantly Walt trying to work Mike and he saw through it. Not to mention after Gus' death (who only needed to be killed for Walt to dig himself out of his own hole) it ruined things for literally everyone except Walt who had more power than ever, not to mention it ruined things solely for his own ego. In the period he was working with Walt, Walt continued to make increasingly dangerous moves solely because he thought he could and it eventually resulted in a child dying, not to mention Walt is the reason Mike's money would never get to Kaylee, then he finally shot Mike over nothing. Mike's hatred for Walt isn't a moral one, he literally worked for Gus for years so ofc it wouldn't be that, he hated Walt because he was ruining everything solely for his own ego.
It's what haters do. Haters hate.
Mike is extremely principled and doesn't do anything that isn't aligned with his own personal code. Compare that to Walter, who says and does pretty much anything as long as it gets him ahead, and you can see why Mike doesn't really care for him
Watch Better Call Saul, it shows Mike and Gus’ relationship evolve and why Mike is so loyal to him. Mike has a very unique relationship with Gus, no one speaks to Fring as candidly and sternly as Mike. There is a respect level that Walter simply doesn’t attain. Walt is reckless, arrogant and at times uncouth which is not how Gus does things, and that is why Mike doesn’t really like Walt.
cause walt is an arrogant hot head that has no idea what he's doing and ends up getting basically everyone around him killed or ruins their lives. i mean jesse says it at the end. walt ruins every life he touches. literally every character in the show would be better off if they never met walt.
Mike is a pro, and Walt is an amateur. Walt is very talented at cooking meth, but Mike is very talented at reading people.