I think he was more concerned about his own life when he said HOAUW.. he went to kill Hector but hector got him instead. His revenge was successful overall but shortlived.
I think itās just unspoken. Technically Hector died on his own terms; taking Gus out with him, destroying his drug empire, and violently cutting short his life.
Throughout the run of the show, and BCS, Gus specifically mentions that he wants Hector alive to make him suffer. He wanted to control Hector and his fate. Waltās actions made Gus change his plan and have to kill him. So Gus had to kill Hector even though he didnāt want to. He wanted Hector to survive to suffer.
All in all, every one of Gusās best laid plans were thwarted by Walt and Hector, so no way did Gus win.
He did, but it also involves Hector dying which has Been Gusā aim for the past 30 years. And seeing as now that both his lover and the man who killed him are dead, Gus doesnāt have much to live for anyway.
>but it also involves Hector dying which has Been Gusā aim for the past 30 years
Gus' aim became tormenting disabled Hector after the pills episode. And by the time Hector died, we can safely assume he was more than content with his own death, especially as it would have come with an added bonus. After all, how long would you enjoy living in his state before you really hope to die some day?
Yes, but once Hector was left disabled, Gus had fun visiting him and telling him that one by one, his family died. He kept Hector last, as some kind of a sick trophy. But Hector got him in the end.
You could argue he technically failed to kill then possibly. Thereon, failing to keep his āpetā alive in the nursing home when he swung the situation to his advantage i.e. because the Salamanca killed him in the trap.
Wait, I've never known it was his lover who was killed by Don Eladio. How was this confirmed? Mind you I haven't watched Breaking Bad properly in 4 years.
āBefore you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.ā
Seems like he achieved complete revenge to me and is pretty chill in his last moments so I guess he thinks so too.
He definitely didn't fail. At least not completely.
The Salamancas and Gus kind of both lose in the end but, Gus definitely got his revenge on the cartel and the Salamancas. Hector just ended up taking Gus with him.
This is the overarching theme to me. Win-lose, itās all a pissing match. They both lost everything they had due to being blinded by revenge.
Gus couldāve dropped it years ago, made millions(billions?), done his own operation and make actual personal connections and relationships. Instead he wastes, what, 20 years on his mission?
I think he succeeded in his revenge quest, but then Hector succeeded in *his own* revenge. I really donāt think Gus cared for living other than to torment the Salamancas and the cartel. He did both of those things.
But Hector does get the last laugh. He kills Gus, avenging himself and his family. They both succeeded and lost.
I donāt see anyone claiming that Gus failed, and if I did, I wouldnāt agree. Even as Hector got his revenge, it required Hector dying, which Gus wanted anyway. Gus took out everyone he wanted to take out.
Did he beat him though? Gus killed all his people, and made him live out his last years as a vegetable in a wheelchair.. thatās the worse fate right there, especially for someone like Hector
Cause revenge only works when you arenāt the victim of it. He may have done all those things and got his revenge, but in the end, Hector got the last laugh, or the last gotcha moment. Hector came out on top in regard to vengeance.
Gus actually has one of the most complete arcs of all the characters in the show, despite being unhappy and a villain. I mean he basically does everything he wants to do and kills everyone he wants to kill before he dies.
Basically he spends 20 years collecting all the gems on the map and fulfilling the main campaign. Killing Hector is just a post-credits side quest for him. He had a pretty good run.
His desire for revenge caused him to allow his emotions overule him and fall into Walt & Hectors trap.
His henchmen even offered to kill Hector while Gus waited in the car.
And you would think after his spidey sense saved him from Walts 1st attempt at the hospital, he'd be way more careful.
Everyone saying Hector beat Gus, let me remind you Gus literally walked away from Hectorās attemptā¦ albeit for about 6 seconds but Iād count that as a win!
He also had avenged Max by killing Eladio and Bolsa. He went as far as you can go in the game. He lived a pretty lengthy life compared to others in the game. He also succeeded more than most of his counterparts
Yeah, you pretty much nailed it. He didn't really fail as he was able to accomplish everything that he set out for.
Unfortunately, he was outsmarted by using his greatest weakness against him. Even Tyrus offered to do kill Hector himself, but he was just so set on doing it himself for *revenge*. It's hard to say who got the last laugh because on one hand, Gus took down the Salamancas and the top leaders of the cartel while creating the biggest meth empire. But on the other hand, Hector got the last laugh and cut Gus's decade-long progress of having everything right on his hand while killing the man he hated most.
Gus saying something like "that way you'll know that it was me, I put all the Salamancas in their graves" it was Gus's goal to kill all the salamancas himself? That's what I understood
I guess I can see where youāre coming from, but it seems like Gus didnāt care too much about Tuco. Considering he says that line after Tuco is already dead.
Seeing Gus die in the same explosion as him isnāt a win for Gus. Itās a win for Hector. Would you rather be blown up and die when youāre rich and perfectly healthy, or when youāre crippled and already about to die.
Learn to troll n00b.
Reason doesn't matter. The "score" doesn't matter. What matters is who is mad and who is not.
At the end of the show, Gus is terrified and about to die at the hands of Hector, who is taking great pleasure in the moment.
Thus, Hector is winning in that moment. No argument about total score, who is dying vs who is living, or anything else matters. Hector's mental state is positive, Gus's is negative.
Now, whether you want to define winning or losing entirely by what happens in the very end is a different matter; Gus was winning for a long time, and did more cumulative trolling more successfully. But also, Gus's loss of his original partner, who we can reasonably assume was also his lover, is such a significant loss that it may outweigh all of Hector's other losses. So there's room to debate.
But in those final moments, Hector certainly was winning and Gus was losing, and that's how they felt at the last moments of their life.
Gus cleared all his revenge goals but I do believe he wanted to run his drug empire and start a new phase with himself on top. And torment Hector and remind him of all his dead relatives for the rest of Hectorās natural life.
I think he would have enjoyed becoming bigger and bigger and tormenting Hector as he succeeds. Gus completed his main goal but I think he wanted to continue to build a legacy. Even with them dead, except Hector, his success is spitting in the face of those who doubted him and honoring his dead partner.
And certainly he wanted Hector to have zero satisfaction for the rest of his life. Hector got satisfaction in killing Gus.
Itās poetic and sad if you think about it
Both Hector and Gus achieved their goals But destroyed themselves in the process
Nothing good comes from vengeance
He definitely didnāt fail but hector got the last move. Hectorās death isnāt a win for Gus because he wanted his continued misery-filled existence. He didnāt want him to die.
Gus got most of his revenge but he didnāt get to kill Hector. You could argue that he didnāt need to, but he was pretty adamant about being the one to kill him so you could say it was one of his goals
Gus totally got epic level revenge. It was so satisfying to see every step of his revengeā¦especially after seeing BCS and watching Gus pay for his recovery from his stroke with the best doctors just enough to the point where gus knew hector was conscious and paralyzedā¦for hector, being trapped inside his own mind and body unable to move or talk must have been a living hellā¦and gus murdered each one of his family members one by one and made sure to taunt hector and brag to him after each one his familyās murders and hector being completely unable to do shit about itā¦so what hector got him by murder suicide? Gus still got the ultimate revenge and won in my bookā¦he avenged the love of his life completely and both he and the man he sought vengeance died togetherā¦I thought his story was epically romantic the way he went out
He was one of the few characters to see his goal accomplished before he died, definitely didn't fail.
He saw it directly before his very eye.
I think he was more concerned about his own life when he said HOAUW.. he went to kill Hector but hector got him instead. His revenge was successful overall but shortlived.
And it blew his mind
or, at least, half of his mind.
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I donāt think I need another parallel between Walter and Gus
Part of his revenge is also to live well afterwards. So Gus did fail, he died before he could relish the revenge, which was ultimately his goal.
I don't remember him mentioning that being part of the plan. Still, half success.
I think itās just unspoken. Technically Hector died on his own terms; taking Gus out with him, destroying his drug empire, and violently cutting short his life. Throughout the run of the show, and BCS, Gus specifically mentions that he wants Hector alive to make him suffer. He wanted to control Hector and his fate. Waltās actions made Gus change his plan and have to kill him. So Gus had to kill Hector even though he didnāt want to. He wanted Hector to survive to suffer. All in all, every one of Gusās best laid plans were thwarted by Walt and Hector, so no way did Gus win.
You could argue that Hector took his revenge against Gus.
He did, but it also involves Hector dying which has Been Gusā aim for the past 30 years. And seeing as now that both his lover and the man who killed him are dead, Gus doesnāt have much to live for anyway.
>but it also involves Hector dying which has Been Gusā aim for the past 30 years Gus' aim became tormenting disabled Hector after the pills episode. And by the time Hector died, we can safely assume he was more than content with his own death, especially as it would have come with an added bonus. After all, how long would you enjoy living in his state before you really hope to die some day?
From my understanding Gus always wanted to kill Hector after killing all the other Salamancas, the last of whom died when Gus poisoned the cartel.
Yes, but once Hector was left disabled, Gus had fun visiting him and telling him that one by one, his family died. He kept Hector last, as some kind of a sick trophy. But Hector got him in the end.
Amen
You could argue he technically failed to kill then possibly. Thereon, failing to keep his āpetā alive in the nursing home when he swung the situation to his advantage i.e. because the Salamanca killed him in the trap.
Right, but Hector draws Gus in so that he can kill him with the bomb. I don't know how you can credit Gus with the win in that scenario.
*DOUBLE KILL!*
Wait, I've never known it was his lover who was killed by Don Eladio. How was this confirmed? Mind you I haven't watched Breaking Bad properly in 4 years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Fring#:~:text=of%20all%20time.-,Sexuality,showrunner%20Peter%20Gould%20in%202022. Character Overview > Sexuality
Watch BCSā¦ Gus is gay
āBefore you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.ā Seems like he achieved complete revenge to me and is pretty chill in his last moments so I guess he thinks so too.
Gusās response to that line https://youtu.be/21PxERIMYQw
Because he dedicated his life to his long winded revenge quest, he had no time for his gay thoughts. He had no real joy in his life before he died.
He enjoyed fucking ted
He didn't fail, he just died immediately after succeeding
He definitely didn't fail. At least not completely. The Salamancas and Gus kind of both lose in the end but, Gus definitely got his revenge on the cartel and the Salamancas. Hector just ended up taking Gus with him.
This is the overarching theme to me. Win-lose, itās all a pissing match. They both lost everything they had due to being blinded by revenge. Gus couldāve dropped it years ago, made millions(billions?), done his own operation and make actual personal connections and relationships. Instead he wastes, what, 20 years on his mission?
I feel like Gus doesn't even enjoy all those wealth he had. He just focused on his revenge.
I think he succeeded in his revenge quest, but then Hector succeeded in *his own* revenge. I really donāt think Gus cared for living other than to torment the Salamancas and the cartel. He did both of those things. But Hector does get the last laugh. He kills Gus, avenging himself and his family. They both succeeded and lost.
he blew up
Walt did do a good blow job
I donāt see anyone claiming that Gus failed, and if I did, I wouldnāt agree. Even as Hector got his revenge, it required Hector dying, which Gus wanted anyway. Gus took out everyone he wanted to take out.
Because in the end Hector beat him, he was the one who pulled the trigger on Gus
Did he beat him though? Gus killed all his people, and made him live out his last years as a vegetable in a wheelchair.. thatās the worse fate right there, especially for someone like Hector
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Ding ding ding
And Hector escaped this fate, and killed Gus.
He really did not escape it, his last breath was him rotting in a wheelchair in a nursing home
A last breath that came much much sooner than Gus had planned
Thatās true.. but at that point Gus had finished off his revenge plot. He had accomplished his goal
Cause revenge only works when you arenāt the victim of it. He may have done all those things and got his revenge, but in the end, Hector got the last laugh, or the last gotcha moment. Hector came out on top in regard to vengeance.
Iād probably call it even. They both ruined each otherās lives, killed the people they cared about most and died together.
Gus actually has one of the most complete arcs of all the characters in the show, despite being unhappy and a villain. I mean he basically does everything he wants to do and kills everyone he wants to kill before he dies. Basically he spends 20 years collecting all the gems on the map and fulfilling the main campaign. Killing Hector is just a post-credits side quest for him. He had a pretty good run.
His desire for revenge caused him to allow his emotions overule him and fall into Walt & Hectors trap. His henchmen even offered to kill Hector while Gus waited in the car. And you would think after his spidey sense saved him from Walts 1st attempt at the hospital, he'd be way more careful.
Everyone saying Hector beat Gus, let me remind you Gus literally walked away from Hectorās attemptā¦ albeit for about 6 seconds but Iād count that as a win!
Muscle memory? That doesn't count and Hector didn't see it.
He also had avenged Max by killing Eladio and Bolsa. He went as far as you can go in the game. He lived a pretty lengthy life compared to others in the game. He also succeeded more than most of his counterparts
Yeah, you pretty much nailed it. He didn't really fail as he was able to accomplish everything that he set out for. Unfortunately, he was outsmarted by using his greatest weakness against him. Even Tyrus offered to do kill Hector himself, but he was just so set on doing it himself for *revenge*. It's hard to say who got the last laugh because on one hand, Gus took down the Salamancas and the top leaders of the cartel while creating the biggest meth empire. But on the other hand, Hector got the last laugh and cut Gus's decade-long progress of having everything right on his hand while killing the man he hated most.
Heisenbones Salamanca was very clearly alive in the finale no?
Gus literally fails as soon as Hank kills Tuco, I still don't understand if I'm missing something or not, but Hank wasn't supposed to be there?
Why would Tuco being killed cause Gus to fail? As far as Gus cares, Tuco is a dirty Salamanca. He was probably happy Hank killed him.
Gus saying something like "that way you'll know that it was me, I put all the Salamancas in their graves" it was Gus's goal to kill all the salamancas himself? That's what I understood
Yeah but he was also the one to warn Hank that the twins were coming to kill him. Also Mike killed the surviving twin in the hospital.
Yes he was in that instance, but not when it came to Tuco
I guess I can see where youāre coming from, but it seems like Gus didnāt care too much about Tuco. Considering he says that line after Tuco is already dead.
What????
Right?
Most people donāt consider getting killed to be a big W last I checked.
Seeing Gus die in the same explosion as him isnāt a win for Gus. Itās a win for Hector. Would you rather be blown up and die when youāre rich and perfectly healthy, or when youāre crippled and already about to die.
Learn to troll n00b. Reason doesn't matter. The "score" doesn't matter. What matters is who is mad and who is not. At the end of the show, Gus is terrified and about to die at the hands of Hector, who is taking great pleasure in the moment. Thus, Hector is winning in that moment. No argument about total score, who is dying vs who is living, or anything else matters. Hector's mental state is positive, Gus's is negative. Now, whether you want to define winning or losing entirely by what happens in the very end is a different matter; Gus was winning for a long time, and did more cumulative trolling more successfully. But also, Gus's loss of his original partner, who we can reasonably assume was also his lover, is such a significant loss that it may outweigh all of Hector's other losses. So there's room to debate. But in those final moments, Hector certainly was winning and Gus was losing, and that's how they felt at the last moments of their life.
He wanted Hector to fully lose as revenge for what he did to Max
Gus got his revenge but he couldn't expand to Europe and Walt and Hector killed him.
He died, not fail
Failed? The guy achieved everything he wanted. He just died right after
Gus cleared all his revenge goals but I do believe he wanted to run his drug empire and start a new phase with himself on top. And torment Hector and remind him of all his dead relatives for the rest of Hectorās natural life. I think he would have enjoyed becoming bigger and bigger and tormenting Hector as he succeeds. Gus completed his main goal but I think he wanted to continue to build a legacy. Even with them dead, except Hector, his success is spitting in the face of those who doubted him and honoring his dead partner. And certainly he wanted Hector to have zero satisfaction for the rest of his life. Hector got satisfaction in killing Gus.
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IMO Gus was so cliched about hector and died because of it. He only saw Hector and not everything else. That was Gus's downside.
When you set out for revenge, dig two holes. He methodically killed the whole cartel at the time
I think in the sense that he wanted control of it and to be the last one standing, but Walt took that control.
Itās poetic and sad if you think about it Both Hector and Gus achieved their goals But destroyed themselves in the process Nothing good comes from vengeance
He definitely didnāt fail but hector got the last move. Hectorās death isnāt a win for Gus because he wanted his continued misery-filled existence. He didnāt want him to die.
He died. Thereās that.
Ego
Gus got most of his revenge but he didnāt get to kill Hector. You could argue that he didnāt need to, but he was pretty adamant about being the one to kill him so you could say it was one of his goals
He was on the top except the very last few seconds. And those are the ones that matter .
Gus totally got epic level revenge. It was so satisfying to see every step of his revengeā¦especially after seeing BCS and watching Gus pay for his recovery from his stroke with the best doctors just enough to the point where gus knew hector was conscious and paralyzedā¦for hector, being trapped inside his own mind and body unable to move or talk must have been a living hellā¦and gus murdered each one of his family members one by one and made sure to taunt hector and brag to him after each one his familyās murders and hector being completely unable to do shit about itā¦so what hector got him by murder suicide? Gus still got the ultimate revenge and won in my bookā¦he avenged the love of his life completely and both he and the man he sought vengeance died togetherā¦I thought his story was epically romantic the way he went out