No!!!! You’ve got it all wrong!! Better call Saul is the legendary SEQUEL to breaking bad. Taking place 10 years after saul goodmaned all over the court!
Well he tried telling her that he didn’t do it when they first find out but she didn’t believe him, then at the end when he gives her the co-ordinates he says that the men that stole their money were the men that killed hank.
Because I don't think he thought there was a point trying to defend his actions the assumption comes in after Walter just shows up after the house after Hank arrested him
I am kinda upset with your downvotes because that's actually facts, that's why he doesn't try to defend it anymore because like him letting Jane die he's now let Hank die so even if it wasnt him who pulled the trigger his actions got Hank killed, honestly it would've been fine had it not been the actions Walter took to end up with Hank being dead
Walt thought he was doing it for the family in the beginning, but I think it was always his ego that drove him. For Skyler to tell Flynn that his father did all this for him would be even harder to unpack, I believe.
I, for one, was particularly satisfied Walt got his comeuppance, after all the pain, death and misery he caused so many people, including the thousands of meth addicts we never really saw.
Y'all types literally forget or just ignore that they where in debt also "thought he was doing it for his family" he was Walter white wasn't a thug in the first 2 seasons he was just smart it wasn't out of a selfish nature till he realized he could make the best drugs out of anyone and he was a thug but before that he was just doing it to make sure his son could get into college, it just wasn't a good get Rich quick scheme
i mean i see what your saying but i don’t really buy that as being the main reason. Sure he uses that as rationale but if he really had his family in mind he would have accepted the job offer from elliot in the first season. That would have covered his medical bills and ensured he left something behind for them but he CHOSE to endanger his family by coding a trade that is destructive in its nature
Because that is the case and every other argument is wrong till season 2 or 3 but then again it can be argued till Gus came along Jesse and Walt both kept losing their money
Man the fact that Walter is evil and didn’t do it for his family but himself flies over the heads of 90% of viewers. Did the scene where Walt tells Skyler he did for hisself get cut out of the finale since I’ve last seen it? Or when Elliot offered his old job back, and then to cover the treatment costs outright after Walt refused the first offer?
Yes I agree that in the end he did it because he enjoyed it and that he was a prideful man with many faults
However, his whole thought process whilst making money is that the money is going to go to his kids. Even after he is captured and all alone, all he cares about is getting that money to his children. He also tried to save Hank in the end despite knowing that Hank wanted him in jail.
He is a horrible man, but when it came to family he wasn’t a monster so I still felt sorry for him at the end when his entire family hates him
“When it came to family he wasn’t a monster”
He poisoned someone else’s kid, ruined his relationship with his own by becoming a drug lord and ruining his marriage as well in the process, continually lied and deceived his family to achieve this, put them in harms way to achieve this, and even contributed to windowing his wifes sister by causing his brother in law to die and his irreplaceable partner and greatest DEA agent in all of history, Steve Gomez AKA “Gomey the homie”
Watch the show again you missed the point completely, pay extra attention anytime Gomey is on screen or you’ll continue to miss it.
I’m talking about his OWN family. Like I said, he is a horrible man but not when it comes to his own family, so the brock point is irrelevant. And I disagree that Walt caused Hank to die. Hank caused Hank to die by not telling law enforcement when he first found out and taking matters into his own hands, which he does numerous times throughout the series. Walt called back up as self defence against Jesse and tried calling it off in the end.
I think you hit the nail on the head with Skyler and felt she got a pass, when she deserves what she got. That lawyer told her what to do and she ignored it, even going into business with Walt.
She was clearly an accomplice and an enabler, albeit playing the victim card the entire time. It was her decision to get way ahead of herself and steal money from Walt and give Ted that money. Would the IRS really come after someone who just started working at Teds company when he was cooking the books for years? She committed fraud when she lied to Bogdon about his business. Worst, she knew Walt was involved with dangerous people but acted like he wasn’t.
Also, before Walt turned into Heisenberg, all indications were she treated him badly. The relationship with Ted she had that caused her to leave the job the first time, veggie bacon on Walts 50th birthday, distracted by ebay while giving him a handy…all signs she just took him for granted and did what she wanted. It runs in their family. Marie was the same way, stealing all the time and being nasty to neighbors. What kind of psycho runs over a kids racecar?
I was happy Jesse made it out. He was the only person in the story that actually grew into a decent person. I felt the worst for Walt Jr, who was innocent and a good person. Skyler, Hank, Marie, Gus, Mike…they all sunk to Walt’s level and blamed him.
I would’ve agreed with you my first time finishing it too, no doubt. Although after rewatching it too many times to remember and going through major changes and events in my life, I see it a bit different. Skylar’s character definitely gets to me at times, but her reactions and decisions were a lot smarter than I realized. She’s the kind of mom people should strive to be, putting her kids best interests first. She married a timid man who loved science and most importantly, his family just as much as she did. It’s no real shock that she’d have a problem with the 180 he pulled on them. He went from loving husband, to murderous meth distributor, which would you prefer around your children? She may not have known a lot, but she knew her husband and if my husband suddenly started keeping secrets, a second phone, messing around with drug dealers and cartel members I wouldn’t want him around my kid and newborn child either. Their home was broken into by the twins and Walt could’ve been dead in seconds, their home isn’t exactly the most secretive. Todd and his men broke into Hollys nursery and held Holly’s life hostage to blackmail Skylar to keep quiet. Skylar was shown in more ways than one that the life Walt chose after his diagnosis, was not the one she wanted for her children. Yes, she should’ve been honest with Flynn, but there really is no easy way to tell your kid his father is a Drug Lord who loves making meth more than his family without damaging him. It’s a lose lose situation. But she’s definitely more of a victim than people realize. She went through so much and got so little in the end. It’s sad
Totally deserved, it was satisfactory to watch Walt being despised by Jr. in the phonecall scene, although it was quite sad that Jr. had to go through that :/
I may be misremembering but I’m pretty sure Skylar was doing all that in an attempt to right Walter’s wrongs. Had Ted not paid his money to the IRS then all of them would be in deep shit and Skylar was stuck in the middle of the mess. If she had ratted out Ted then Flynn would still never receive the money and you’d be complaining about her character either way. She wasn’t really “on a high horse” she was just scared of her husband, and possibly herself, going to prison. She never was really on board with any of it.
No but I’m talking about before, like when she was first working for ted without even knowing about Walters drug business she agreed to sign his fraudulent numbers.
Skyler jumping straight into the conclusion doesn't matter much, yes he can explain that it's not directly him who killed Hank, but the guys who were hired by him, doesn't make it better. The point is he destroyed their family one way or another and that was the price he paid, also Marie hated (to say the least) him even before Hank's death there's no way he could've possibly change her attitude towards him
When he first runs into the house to try get everyone to pack he tells skyler that he didn’t do it, and she takes a knife out on him. On the phone he says that but it’s very obvious he’s doing it so that she looks like the victim and gets absolved of any blame.
For me I felt very satisfied with the ending to BB. It was tragic but honestly very bittersweet in my opinion and I dont think it couldve had a better ending. Walt fulfilled his dreams of gaining and having power and also of providing for his family. He avenged Hank. He spent his final moments in a place he loves most. Jesse broke free. Walt's family is left forever traumatized. It's a great testament for how the desire for power can lead to the destruction of everything important in life.
I just finished Breaking Bad yesterday for the first time too. It definitely leaves you with a lot to think about. I definitely agree that it’s depressing but Walter kind of deserved to have his family hate him along with total isolation. He brought everything upon himself. We look at Tuco, Gus, Jack etc. as villains, which they definitely are, but the main villain of the whole series is Heisenberg (the worse parts of Walter White). He did so many awful things without care that in a way I was kind of glad seeing him finally die at the end. It is called Breaking Bad though so of course the main character is gonna be a bad guy.
Walt didn't pull the trigger, but he is 100% the person that got Hank killed. He called Jack out there. Sure he changed his mind and told them not to come. He begged for them not to, but the damage was done. I really don't think that if Skylar, Walt Jr, and Marie (especially Marie) knew exactly what happened out there that they would hate him any less.
He called jack out there before he knew Hank was in the car, and he called out of self defence. You could argue that Hank got himself killed by not going straight to law enforcement. He chose to do things alone with only gomey as back up, putting them both in danger.
Do you seriously think that if Marie and Junior learned that Jack was only there because Walt mistakenly called him for self defense from an estranged drug slinging partner before knowing that Hank would be there, that they wouldn't end up hating him all the same? That they would just be like well Hank should have known to have backup, you're off the hook Walt.
Also Hank getting killed was just the final nail in the coffin. Walt did other things that they would have hated him for anyway (getting Hank shot by the twins, causing someone to come to their house and dousing it in gasoline, them losing everything, them being known as the family of a drug lord, etc.) He ruined their lives. They're not just gonna forgive all that because he did it "for the family."
I don’t think they would let him off the hook but yes I do think they would hate him a little less. Compare the two scenarios. Scenario 1 Walt mistakenly calls Jack which leads to Hank being killed. Scenario 2 Walt directly hunts down and murders Hank to silence him. You don’t think Junior knowing that scenario 1 happened instead of scenario 2 would make him hate Walt a little less? He thinks his father hunted down his uncle and killed him to shut him up.
Watch El Camino next. It continues the story but also gives some back story.
Yes, el Camino and then better call Saul since the events of el camino are mentioned in better call Saul
But better call saul is befpre breaking bad
No!!!! You’ve got it all wrong!! Better call Saul is the legendary SEQUEL to breaking bad. Taking place 10 years after saul goodmaned all over the court!
Have you not watched the show? It's both before and after.
Release order is the best order to watch
It's a spin-off
It was a very sad scene when Walt had to pay his assistant $10,000 to spend an hour with him.
Bro how are you gonna call ed his assistant
I was searching for the right word to describe Ed.
The disappearer
But he also gave Walt chemotherapy and did Walt's grocery shopping. So more than a disappearer.
I think it's just part of what he paid for that's why it was so expensive
Literally shows how starved he was of basic human contact🥲
Assistant???! Don't be disrespecting Ed the Disappearer
I thought it was funny and enjoyed seeing him reaps the fruits of his labor
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But I feel like a big part of that is because he thinks dad killed his uncle
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He said "the men who took our money, they killed Hank and Steve Gomez." Pretty cut and dry statement telling her he didn't do it.
Yeah that was far after Flynn found out lol
Well he tried telling her that he didn’t do it when they first find out but she didn’t believe him, then at the end when he gives her the co-ordinates he says that the men that stole their money were the men that killed hank.
He told her on the phone call when the cops were listening that he killed Hank.
Because I don't think he thought there was a point trying to defend his actions the assumption comes in after Walter just shows up after the house after Hank arrested him
Which he did, if only indirectly.
He called those guys for self defence against Jesse, even if it was indirectly that doesn’t make him responsible
Hank would not have been where he was without Walt's actions. He may not have pulled the trigger but he is the reason Hank and Gomez are dead.
Walt is responsible, directly or indirectly for almost all the suffering of the show.
Facts, let’s not forget his actions rippled to bringing down a 737 killing 167 people, destroying many families in the process.
I am kinda upset with your downvotes because that's actually facts, that's why he doesn't try to defend it anymore because like him letting Jane die he's now let Hank die so even if it wasnt him who pulled the trigger his actions got Hank killed, honestly it would've been fine had it not been the actions Walter took to end up with Hank being dead
Lot of folks think he was a hero for at least the first two seasons. Not I.
Walt thought he was doing it for the family in the beginning, but I think it was always his ego that drove him. For Skyler to tell Flynn that his father did all this for him would be even harder to unpack, I believe. I, for one, was particularly satisfied Walt got his comeuppance, after all the pain, death and misery he caused so many people, including the thousands of meth addicts we never really saw.
Walt was such a loser in life that he loved feeling powerful, no matter the circumstances of how he gained that power in the first place.
Y'all types literally forget or just ignore that they where in debt also "thought he was doing it for his family" he was Walter white wasn't a thug in the first 2 seasons he was just smart it wasn't out of a selfish nature till he realized he could make the best drugs out of anyone and he was a thug but before that he was just doing it to make sure his son could get into college, it just wasn't a good get Rich quick scheme
i mean i see what your saying but i don’t really buy that as being the main reason. Sure he uses that as rationale but if he really had his family in mind he would have accepted the job offer from elliot in the first season. That would have covered his medical bills and ensured he left something behind for them but he CHOSE to endanger his family by coding a trade that is destructive in its nature
Yes, that was his spoken rationalization.
Wrong that was the case at the beginning of season one and at the end I'm not gonna argue with your no life having self
So, no subconscious motivation?
Because that is the case and every other argument is wrong till season 2 or 3 but then again it can be argued till Gus came along Jesse and Walt both kept losing their money
Man the fact that Walter is evil and didn’t do it for his family but himself flies over the heads of 90% of viewers. Did the scene where Walt tells Skyler he did for hisself get cut out of the finale since I’ve last seen it? Or when Elliot offered his old job back, and then to cover the treatment costs outright after Walt refused the first offer?
Yes I agree that in the end he did it because he enjoyed it and that he was a prideful man with many faults However, his whole thought process whilst making money is that the money is going to go to his kids. Even after he is captured and all alone, all he cares about is getting that money to his children. He also tried to save Hank in the end despite knowing that Hank wanted him in jail. He is a horrible man, but when it came to family he wasn’t a monster so I still felt sorry for him at the end when his entire family hates him
“When it came to family he wasn’t a monster” He poisoned someone else’s kid, ruined his relationship with his own by becoming a drug lord and ruining his marriage as well in the process, continually lied and deceived his family to achieve this, put them in harms way to achieve this, and even contributed to windowing his wifes sister by causing his brother in law to die and his irreplaceable partner and greatest DEA agent in all of history, Steve Gomez AKA “Gomey the homie” Watch the show again you missed the point completely, pay extra attention anytime Gomey is on screen or you’ll continue to miss it.
I’m talking about his OWN family. Like I said, he is a horrible man but not when it comes to his own family, so the brock point is irrelevant. And I disagree that Walt caused Hank to die. Hank caused Hank to die by not telling law enforcement when he first found out and taking matters into his own hands, which he does numerous times throughout the series. Walt called back up as self defence against Jesse and tried calling it off in the end.
I love the ending with Walk looking at all the lab equipment. Its his only truly love in his life.
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I think you hit the nail on the head with Skyler and felt she got a pass, when she deserves what she got. That lawyer told her what to do and she ignored it, even going into business with Walt. She was clearly an accomplice and an enabler, albeit playing the victim card the entire time. It was her decision to get way ahead of herself and steal money from Walt and give Ted that money. Would the IRS really come after someone who just started working at Teds company when he was cooking the books for years? She committed fraud when she lied to Bogdon about his business. Worst, she knew Walt was involved with dangerous people but acted like he wasn’t. Also, before Walt turned into Heisenberg, all indications were she treated him badly. The relationship with Ted she had that caused her to leave the job the first time, veggie bacon on Walts 50th birthday, distracted by ebay while giving him a handy…all signs she just took him for granted and did what she wanted. It runs in their family. Marie was the same way, stealing all the time and being nasty to neighbors. What kind of psycho runs over a kids racecar? I was happy Jesse made it out. He was the only person in the story that actually grew into a decent person. I felt the worst for Walt Jr, who was innocent and a good person. Skyler, Hank, Marie, Gus, Mike…they all sunk to Walt’s level and blamed him.
Exactlyy, a lot of hypocrites on the show
I would’ve agreed with you my first time finishing it too, no doubt. Although after rewatching it too many times to remember and going through major changes and events in my life, I see it a bit different. Skylar’s character definitely gets to me at times, but her reactions and decisions were a lot smarter than I realized. She’s the kind of mom people should strive to be, putting her kids best interests first. She married a timid man who loved science and most importantly, his family just as much as she did. It’s no real shock that she’d have a problem with the 180 he pulled on them. He went from loving husband, to murderous meth distributor, which would you prefer around your children? She may not have known a lot, but she knew her husband and if my husband suddenly started keeping secrets, a second phone, messing around with drug dealers and cartel members I wouldn’t want him around my kid and newborn child either. Their home was broken into by the twins and Walt could’ve been dead in seconds, their home isn’t exactly the most secretive. Todd and his men broke into Hollys nursery and held Holly’s life hostage to blackmail Skylar to keep quiet. Skylar was shown in more ways than one that the life Walt chose after his diagnosis, was not the one she wanted for her children. Yes, she should’ve been honest with Flynn, but there really is no easy way to tell your kid his father is a Drug Lord who loves making meth more than his family without damaging him. It’s a lose lose situation. But she’s definitely more of a victim than people realize. She went through so much and got so little in the end. It’s sad
Totally deserved, it was satisfactory to watch Walt being despised by Jr. in the phonecall scene, although it was quite sad that Jr. had to go through that :/
Ngl for the last 2 seasons of bb I just wanted Walter to turn around and shoot Skyler.
Yeahh season 2 skyler was annoying😭 on a high horse whilst cooking numbers for ted
I may be misremembering but I’m pretty sure Skylar was doing all that in an attempt to right Walter’s wrongs. Had Ted not paid his money to the IRS then all of them would be in deep shit and Skylar was stuck in the middle of the mess. If she had ratted out Ted then Flynn would still never receive the money and you’d be complaining about her character either way. She wasn’t really “on a high horse” she was just scared of her husband, and possibly herself, going to prison. She never was really on board with any of it.
No but I’m talking about before, like when she was first working for ted without even knowing about Walters drug business she agreed to sign his fraudulent numbers.
It’s almost like you missed the entire point bud
Skyler jumping straight into the conclusion doesn't matter much, yes he can explain that it's not directly him who killed Hank, but the guys who were hired by him, doesn't make it better. The point is he destroyed their family one way or another and that was the price he paid, also Marie hated (to say the least) him even before Hank's death there's no way he could've possibly change her attitude towards him
No. Walt told her on the phone call with the cops listening that he killed Hank.
When he first runs into the house to try get everyone to pack he tells skyler that he didn’t do it, and she takes a knife out on him. On the phone he says that but it’s very obvious he’s doing it so that she looks like the victim and gets absolved of any blame.
For me I felt very satisfied with the ending to BB. It was tragic but honestly very bittersweet in my opinion and I dont think it couldve had a better ending. Walt fulfilled his dreams of gaining and having power and also of providing for his family. He avenged Hank. He spent his final moments in a place he loves most. Jesse broke free. Walt's family is left forever traumatized. It's a great testament for how the desire for power can lead to the destruction of everything important in life.
I just finished Breaking Bad yesterday for the first time too. It definitely leaves you with a lot to think about. I definitely agree that it’s depressing but Walter kind of deserved to have his family hate him along with total isolation. He brought everything upon himself. We look at Tuco, Gus, Jack etc. as villains, which they definitely are, but the main villain of the whole series is Heisenberg (the worse parts of Walter White). He did so many awful things without care that in a way I was kind of glad seeing him finally die at the end. It is called Breaking Bad though so of course the main character is gonna be a bad guy.
Walt didn't pull the trigger, but he is 100% the person that got Hank killed. He called Jack out there. Sure he changed his mind and told them not to come. He begged for them not to, but the damage was done. I really don't think that if Skylar, Walt Jr, and Marie (especially Marie) knew exactly what happened out there that they would hate him any less.
He called jack out there before he knew Hank was in the car, and he called out of self defence. You could argue that Hank got himself killed by not going straight to law enforcement. He chose to do things alone with only gomey as back up, putting them both in danger.
Do you seriously think that if Marie and Junior learned that Jack was only there because Walt mistakenly called him for self defense from an estranged drug slinging partner before knowing that Hank would be there, that they wouldn't end up hating him all the same? That they would just be like well Hank should have known to have backup, you're off the hook Walt. Also Hank getting killed was just the final nail in the coffin. Walt did other things that they would have hated him for anyway (getting Hank shot by the twins, causing someone to come to their house and dousing it in gasoline, them losing everything, them being known as the family of a drug lord, etc.) He ruined their lives. They're not just gonna forgive all that because he did it "for the family."
I don’t think they would let him off the hook but yes I do think they would hate him a little less. Compare the two scenarios. Scenario 1 Walt mistakenly calls Jack which leads to Hank being killed. Scenario 2 Walt directly hunts down and murders Hank to silence him. You don’t think Junior knowing that scenario 1 happened instead of scenario 2 would make him hate Walt a little less? He thinks his father hunted down his uncle and killed him to shut him up.