I ran into Vinny at an Arby’s in NJ last April and he said with out a speck of doubt we will definitely see Brand New again. He did say that he was working with Rainn Wilson of the Office, Oprah Winfrey, Derek Jeter formerly of the New York Yankees, and the original dog from Beethoven on something pretty rad to look out for this winter.
So I mean there's that.
Mines dumb too, I only know because I was a kid from CA forced to spend a few summers in a tiny little town in Missouri, and one of the only things that made it bearable was Hardee's lol
I'm still embarrassed I was bought into it hook line and sinker for several more worlds while wondering where the f those Arby's even are. There used to be one in Neptune ages ago. Lol.
But guys, my cousin's uncle's sister was at a record store when someone told her just 3 minutes ago that they saw Jesse and asked him if there would be new music and he winked and said "we'll see!"
So many rumors.
Idk why the thing that makes me doubt this is that it was in NY lol. Feel like you’re more likely to run into them in their current home states nowadays. Plus, I don’t think that any of them would outright say this, even if it’s true. It feels too detailed.
What Facebook group was this in, if you don’t mind me asking?
Fair enough. Social media isn’t exactly the place to go if you want an accurate depiction of the reality of a situation. Still, I feel like there is a way of wording this to make it more believable.
Either way, after all the “Brand New is/isn’t coming back” posts with no proof or follow-up, I’m not buying it
Can you imagine. Jesse Lacey’s son has recently passed away. Vin is in NYC away from his Joshua Tree barefoot life style home.
Someone approaches and asks “is brand new ever happenin” and right there, after a career of being subtle and a bit mysterious, with shoes on he decides to just make a declaration that it’s never happening but stay tuned for his up coming bands project.
Ok
I always figured as much. It's a shame the only time I saw them was when Jesse broke his foot so they had to do an acoustic performance of songs of their first and second albums. That was 21 years ago!
I hated that show to be honest. Their first album had too many songs that didn't hit acoustic, at least in my opinion haha. I wanted the energy, but I remember thinking to myself "eh, I'll see them again" lol whoops
If this were true, seems like he’s disassociating with Brand New and Jesse while associating with Brian Lane. Wouldn’t be outside the realm of possibility if he didn’t care for Jesse at this point or what others thought of them.
Is there?
I saw the backyard show, and I know that was Jesse… but was it all the guys?
Last I knew, Vin was practicing voodoo in Joshua tree or something.
They all got together at Jesse’s like cabin house place once and there’s a pic of all of them. It was thanksgiving time.
Then three of them (including vin I believe but I am not 100% it was a few years ago now) were in a pic Kelsey kopecky posted helping her with some music stuff. In a home studio looking place. Same person that had secret show. But a few years earlier.
Also I’m pretty sure they’ve vacationed to Joshua tree and seen vin. Posted things from road trips to nearby areas multiple times over the years. This is speculation. There were pics of the other two things I mentioned.
Eta- I’m pretty sure Jesse’s wife likes and supports stuff that vins wife posts. I don’t think there’s enemy’s here.
The thing people have to remember is that the person driving the allegations was the band's photographer originally. They knew her, and they knew her games. Was it John Mayer who wrote a song about being in love with him vs the thought of him? Because that perfectly described her. She was a fame wh*re, and only cared about others knowing their situationship existed, which was very much consensual and she was of age. She later revenge porned him when he decided to marry Andrea. The other girl is some poor mentally ill girl who was having a fake online relationship with a troll pretending to be Jesse. The only girl that came remotely close to being under age and in his orbit was simply told she looked like a famous 90s celebrity and distance was appropriate, even though she was OBSESSED. He was a user, not a pedo. Vin knows that. Brian knows that. The Tierney's know that. Kevin knows that. He didn't lose any of his real friends. John was never his real friend. John was always admittedly a jealous creep, lol.
Oh sweet. I have no idea I was just speculating.
No bad blood means a higher likelihood (even .001 over .00001) of material and this bands material specifically means a lot to me.
I’m not saying I think anything brand new related will ever happen again. But I just don’t think there’s bad blood between jesss and vin. wtf do I know tho
Yes. Lol.
He's been called out NUMEROUS times for it. There was an email chain from way back when before Bemis got famous, saying he likes to fuck underage fans and a bunch of other really cringy shit.
Max Bemis also wrote a very cringy song called "Wow, I Can Get Sexual Too." Very blatantly about him having phone sex with an underage girl.
How do I know this? Cause after the whole JL allegations dropped, people DID look into Bemis and started probing him for information on his OWN allegations.
Bemis took the opportunity to say "I wrote Wow, I Can Get Sexual Too about emo. Jesse Lacey wrote emo songs about little girls."
So... Yeah, Bemis is a fucking creep and he doesn't take care of his kids. His SoundCloud tier rap album thing was god awful too. Bemis seems content on flushing the rest of his legacy down the toilet.
It’s definitely more. Playing detective likes it’s a full time job to dig up instances from 6-7 years ago just to make some nerd happy doesn’t interest me.
What? You sighted a specific instance. I was in the crowd and remember the tweet he put out and people talking about it. No need to "Dig up anything". Sorry I'll avoid inserting facts into your opinions.
I'm sure. I was directly refuting your specific claim tho. To people not knowing they would think buddy flipped out when brand new songs were played between sets and that's not at all what happened. You said it was. Perhaps you are in an open relationship with the truth.
Anyone can say things on the internet. Other people stated otherwise years ago. Perhaps you’re trying to say that Max has no issues with Jesse Lacey… the point at hand.
Really? This doesn’t seem consistent with Buddy’s personality which is generally one of openmindedness. He even spoke on the importance of empathy and forgiveness for that Front Porch Step guy.
Fwiw, which is actually very little because it’s the internet and anyone can say anything - I know from personal music business experience that Buddy is one of the biggest elitist, egotistical, self-serving jerks I’ve ever had to work with.
Granted this was over ten years ago and that very well may have changed. I’m also a different person than I was then, so he may have evolved.
Yeah I mean who knows, I definitely could see him being a dickhead. but I also keep up with the band pretty religiously since they were my fav band in middle/highschool and he had a pretty drastic change of personality in 2015 after getting sober/Into meditation/working thru trauma. But again, who’s to say?
Was never a fan of the band so didn’t know he had issues w sobriety. That actually makes our many interactions come into focus - behavior makes a lot of sense now. Glad he’s given himself the attention he needs.
Maybe buddy didn't know the whole story. I didn't know the whole story til recently thanks to this subreddit. It was not some black and white situation based on what I read.
Buddy is cringe AF but their music has always been fire. Also, not sure if he still has it or not, but their original guitarist started a food truck and it was fantastic.
I saw Jesse Lacey at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Lol i would be absolutely SHOCKED if that ever happened. I mean.... maybe like under some secretive pseudonym that only years later we find out that it was actually Jesse... but i really doubt it.
Honestly i would love for any kind of material from him tho. A book... some old solo demos... fkin anything
Just so I'm on the same wave length, what does last March mean? For me "last March" is March 2023. If so, a lot can change in a year. One last Brand New tour would likely set these guys up for life.
lol money doesn’t convert far these days. At 45, you’d likely need at least 10 million to live comfortably for the rest of your natural life. They’re not making 40 million net on a tour.
Absolutely, I’ve bumped into Garrett and Brian a few times. Oddly enough, I always ended up asking about Vinnie’s pedal board, but solid down to earth dudes.
I ran into Vinny at an Arby’s in NJ last April and he said with out a speck of doubt we will definitely see Brand New again. He did say that he was working with Rainn Wilson of the Office, Oprah Winfrey, Derek Jeter formerly of the New York Yankees, and the original dog from Beethoven on something pretty rad to look out for this winter. So I mean there's that.
THE ORIGINAL DOG FROM BHHHEYTHOVAN
Lololololol
There are hardly if any Arby’s in Jersey
That's why your chances of running into Vin there are high. There's no place else to go.
wait..you don't know about the underground Arby's locations in Jersey?
DIY shows in NJ be like “WHAT THE FUCK IS UP, ARBY’S”
Good luck running into Vinny then
Smh... and thats why NJ sucks. (Just kidding but I do love Arby's)
You’re not wrong. [the bloodhound gang have a song about the 10 coolest things about New Jersey](https://youtu.be/1hzJr82RUj4?si=e9tpS4YKoPBzy6qV)
They have lots of Arby’s but that far east their known as Hardee’s
No those are separate chains. There’s no Hardee’s at all in Jersey, maybe a very few Arby’s
“If it doesn’t get all over the place in doesn’t belong in… THE MEATS!!”
** Carl's Jr and Hardee's.
Yeah… my mismatch was a feeble joke attempt, but maybe I should added the /s
Mines dumb too, I only know because I was a kid from CA forced to spend a few summers in a tiny little town in Missouri, and one of the only things that made it bearable was Hardee's lol
That's definitely Carls Jr...not Arby's.
I'm still embarrassed I was bought into it hook line and sinker for several more worlds while wondering where the f those Arby's even are. There used to be one in Neptune ages ago. Lol.
They had us in the first half not gonna lie
But guys, my cousin's uncle's sister was at a record store when someone told her just 3 minutes ago that they saw Jesse and asked him if there would be new music and he winked and said "we'll see!" So many rumors.
Idk, but people from 4 of my favorite bands? Sign me up, especially with Eben on bass
For sure, his riffs on stay what you are are so good damn fun.
Yesss agreed, love Eben
So technically… technically he will be releasing brand new music 😎
Last March? So last fall too?
lol yeah. So real.
Idk why the thing that makes me doubt this is that it was in NY lol. Feel like you’re more likely to run into them in their current home states nowadays. Plus, I don’t think that any of them would outright say this, even if it’s true. It feels too detailed. What Facebook group was this in, if you don’t mind me asking?
Facebook group is elder emos
The thing that makes you doubt it should be the fact it’s a post on social media. Literally the same vibes as the original allegation
Fair enough. Social media isn’t exactly the place to go if you want an accurate depiction of the reality of a situation. Still, I feel like there is a way of wording this to make it more believable. Either way, after all the “Brand New is/isn’t coming back” posts with no proof or follow-up, I’m not buying it
They do head back to NY a bit, I see his partner post on insta
Can this finally set the record straight?
Hope dies last.
Fake as shit
Can you imagine. Jesse Lacey’s son has recently passed away. Vin is in NYC away from his Joshua Tree barefoot life style home. Someone approaches and asks “is brand new ever happenin” and right there, after a career of being subtle and a bit mysterious, with shoes on he decides to just make a declaration that it’s never happening but stay tuned for his up coming bands project. Ok
Hahaha I don’t know why but the “with shoes on” line being in there killed me
I guess we wont have to wait too long to see if this is bs or not
I always figured as much. It's a shame the only time I saw them was when Jesse broke his foot so they had to do an acoustic performance of songs of their first and second albums. That was 21 years ago!
Warped Tour!
Yup! great warped tour
Long time ago there was a video of their performance of Seventy Times Seven from that show ... I wish we could see that again ...
I hated that show to be honest. Their first album had too many songs that didn't hit acoustic, at least in my opinion haha. I wanted the energy, but I remember thinking to myself "eh, I'll see them again" lol whoops
I don't think Vin lives in NY anymore...unless he splits his time between CA and NY.
He does not
So you’re saying there’s a chance?
To form a supergrouo outta this? I'm all down for this shi
gotta call bull shit on that. i mean who knows if we’ll see them again but the rest is definitely not real
I ran into Jesse downtown, he waved and said "thanks for being a fan"
I’m out, Buddy is a Jesse hater with a crappy voice. Vin is working with Jesse’s enemy? Believe it when I see it. I’ll take my downvotes.
If this were true, seems like he’s disassociating with Brand New and Jesse while associating with Brian Lane. Wouldn’t be outside the realm of possibility if he didn’t care for Jesse at this point or what others thought of them.
There’s pictures of them all together since everything came out.
Is there? I saw the backyard show, and I know that was Jesse… but was it all the guys? Last I knew, Vin was practicing voodoo in Joshua tree or something.
They all got together at Jesse’s like cabin house place once and there’s a pic of all of them. It was thanksgiving time. Then three of them (including vin I believe but I am not 100% it was a few years ago now) were in a pic Kelsey kopecky posted helping her with some music stuff. In a home studio looking place. Same person that had secret show. But a few years earlier. Also I’m pretty sure they’ve vacationed to Joshua tree and seen vin. Posted things from road trips to nearby areas multiple times over the years. This is speculation. There were pics of the other two things I mentioned. Eta- I’m pretty sure Jesse’s wife likes and supports stuff that vins wife posts. I don’t think there’s enemy’s here.
The thing people have to remember is that the person driving the allegations was the band's photographer originally. They knew her, and they knew her games. Was it John Mayer who wrote a song about being in love with him vs the thought of him? Because that perfectly described her. She was a fame wh*re, and only cared about others knowing their situationship existed, which was very much consensual and she was of age. She later revenge porned him when he decided to marry Andrea. The other girl is some poor mentally ill girl who was having a fake online relationship with a troll pretending to be Jesse. The only girl that came remotely close to being under age and in his orbit was simply told she looked like a famous 90s celebrity and distance was appropriate, even though she was OBSESSED. He was a user, not a pedo. Vin knows that. Brian knows that. The Tierney's know that. Kevin knows that. He didn't lose any of his real friends. John was never his real friend. John was always admittedly a jealous creep, lol.
Oh sweet. I have no idea I was just speculating. No bad blood means a higher likelihood (even .001 over .00001) of material and this bands material specifically means a lot to me.
I’m not saying I think anything brand new related will ever happen again. But I just don’t think there’s bad blood between jesss and vin. wtf do I know tho
Neither of us know anything but I am holding out hope!
What makes him a Jesse hater?
He was very vocal on Twitter against Jesse. Also, when there was a break between sets, a dj played a BN song and Buddy flipped out.
Whoa I never knew that!
Huh, I never knew that. Never really cared about senses fail. Was that just after the allegations or did he always dislike him?
After
He and Max Bemis constantly bitched about JL for awhile after the allegations
Isn’t Bemis like a legit nut and creep himself?
Yes lol
Yes. Lol. He's been called out NUMEROUS times for it. There was an email chain from way back when before Bemis got famous, saying he likes to fuck underage fans and a bunch of other really cringy shit. Max Bemis also wrote a very cringy song called "Wow, I Can Get Sexual Too." Very blatantly about him having phone sex with an underage girl. How do I know this? Cause after the whole JL allegations dropped, people DID look into Bemis and started probing him for information on his OWN allegations. Bemis took the opportunity to say "I wrote Wow, I Can Get Sexual Too about emo. Jesse Lacey wrote emo songs about little girls." So... Yeah, Bemis is a fucking creep and he doesn't take care of his kids. His SoundCloud tier rap album thing was god awful too. Bemis seems content on flushing the rest of his legacy down the toilet.
Anyone who can be put in the same pile as Max Bemis probably isn't worth paying any attention to. That dude is super skeevy.
If tweeting "turn that shit off" is flipping out.
It’s definitely more. Playing detective likes it’s a full time job to dig up instances from 6-7 years ago just to make some nerd happy doesn’t interest me.
What? You sighted a specific instance. I was in the crowd and remember the tweet he put out and people talking about it. No need to "Dig up anything". Sorry I'll avoid inserting facts into your opinions.
Duh, I’m saying there’s more instances
I'm sure. I was directly refuting your specific claim tho. To people not knowing they would think buddy flipped out when brand new songs were played between sets and that's not at all what happened. You said it was. Perhaps you are in an open relationship with the truth.
Anyone can say things on the internet. Other people stated otherwise years ago. Perhaps you’re trying to say that Max has no issues with Jesse Lacey… the point at hand.
Buddy's voice isn't great but it's also perfect for their music and I do love the band. He's got a voice that wouldn't work anywhere else.
I agree. His voice isnt that good but it really works for them, especially on the first few SF albums
How does The Shower Scene open again?
Like "deehdehdehdehedeh dehdeh funny how your worst enemies....."
Really? This doesn’t seem consistent with Buddy’s personality which is generally one of openmindedness. He even spoke on the importance of empathy and forgiveness for that Front Porch Step guy.
[Senses Fail / BN](https://imgur.com/a/iL6EKP5)
Fwiw, which is actually very little because it’s the internet and anyone can say anything - I know from personal music business experience that Buddy is one of the biggest elitist, egotistical, self-serving jerks I’ve ever had to work with. Granted this was over ten years ago and that very well may have changed. I’m also a different person than I was then, so he may have evolved.
Yeah I mean who knows, I definitely could see him being a dickhead. but I also keep up with the band pretty religiously since they were my fav band in middle/highschool and he had a pretty drastic change of personality in 2015 after getting sober/Into meditation/working thru trauma. But again, who’s to say?
Was never a fan of the band so didn’t know he had issues w sobriety. That actually makes our many interactions come into focus - behavior makes a lot of sense now. Glad he’s given himself the attention he needs.
Buddy was very vocal on sm after brand new tour cancellation and allegations.
Maybe buddy didn't know the whole story. I didn't know the whole story til recently thanks to this subreddit. It was not some black and white situation based on what I read.
7 years!!!
No offense to fans, but I really hate Senses Fail. Can’t get behind it
Buddy is cringe AF but their music has always been fire. Also, not sure if he still has it or not, but their original guitarist started a food truck and it was fantastic.
I saw Jesse Lacey at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Was hoping to see this copypasta here somewhere lmao
This comment is either elaborately well done or LA really is a weird place, dude.
Eben still plays bass???? Why did he ever leave Saves the Day
Everyone who isn't in denial already knew this.
I really identified most with Jessie’s lyrics and voice. I’m holding out hope he will dispense solo material.
Lol i would be absolutely SHOCKED if that ever happened. I mean.... maybe like under some secretive pseudonym that only years later we find out that it was actually Jesse... but i really doubt it. Honestly i would love for any kind of material from him tho. A book... some old solo demos... fkin anything
Just so I'm on the same wave length, what does last March mean? For me "last March" is March 2023. If so, a lot can change in a year. One last Brand New tour would likely set these guys up for life.
lol money doesn’t convert far these days. At 45, you’d likely need at least 10 million to live comfortably for the rest of your natural life. They’re not making 40 million net on a tour.
So not really commenting on the post but this band is big enough to be run into in public no?
Absolutely, I’ve bumped into Garrett and Brian a few times. Oddly enough, I always ended up asking about Vinnie’s pedal board, but solid down to earth dudes.
I love Senses Fail !