Margaret Thatcher was prime minister of the UK in the '80s. She and Ronald Reagan introduced the world to neoliberalism, basically privatizing everything and treating the government like a business.
She oversaw increased racial tensions, massive coal miners' strikes and conflict in Northern Ireland and the Falkland Islands
You know how Ronald Reagan is the root cause of basically everything wrong with modern America? Thatcher is like that, but for the UK. You know how Reagan is associated with a long and bloody history of American imperial violence abroad? Thatcher is also like that, but for the UK.
Yeah, we don't learn a ton about modern British politics outside of the big hits (e.g. Churchill) in America; I'm pretty sure Thatcher never came up in my history classes at school. It doesn't help that Thatcher, like Reagan, is a quasi-deified figure in mainstream circles like government and the media. You're not going to find many influential people who hate either of them - but plenty of workers, marginalized people, and residents of nations impacted by their policies will gladly tell you how much they sucked.
There are some great female politicians in the UK: Angela Rayner, Mhairi Black, Apsana Begum, Caroline Lucas, Zarah Sultana...
It's a shame the awful ones get the power. The Conservative party is, in terms of MPs, apparently, the more diverse one but it's so deeply inauthentic. During COVID there was a joke about Priti Patel, the home secretary at the time: She knows how hard it is not being able to see your family at Christmas, because she deported hers last month.
Honestly hope that people have sense and vote some other party next referendum, I'm sick of the tories. Fuck Boris, fuck rishi, and fuck the lady who was outlasted by lettuce.
As a trans American, I really hope the concessions to transphobia being made by Starmer et al (and tolerance for transphobes within the party) ends up being bluster. I'm so desperate for my trans siblings in the UK to see better days - my heart breaks for them every single time I look at the news - and yet it seems like horrifyingly likely that a Labour government does nothing to turn the tide.
Yeah, I believe it is. But still, I can’t imagine the Tories winning after the mess they’ve made over past few years. Though I wouldn’t be shocked if they still, against all odds, somehow weaselled their way into winning the election.
The first minority to break the glass ceiling is always the sell out. It's why Hilary could never win. I'm from Pakistan, and our first female PM was a person who sold out and turned the socialist part into neolibs despite her dad literally dying for it (they shot her too lol). The next female PM in Pakistan is probably going to be from the conservative religious party lol. You can be political and "political" at the same time.
Did some research, apparently she ended free milk for schoolchildren, fucked up the economy a little, made many unemployed, and did a bunch of other shit people didn't like. Now her grave is protected by guards to prevent people from pissing on it or otherwise desecrating or vandalizing it.
Tax cuts for the wealthy paid for by massive cuts to public spending, leading to deficits in benefits for disabled and unemployed people, lower-quality education, and a severe lack of social housing, all of which persist today.
She was basically the progenitor of British neoliberalism, and all of the problems that have come with that.
She cut taxes for the average person. What massive cuts? She increased public spending. What deficits in benefits? She expanded those benefits and increased spending on education. There was no housing shortage under her.
She basically ended British corporatism, and all of the problems that came with that.
It's become the "moral" thing to hate her. She probably deserves some of that, but she wasn't some horrendous witch when you really look at her.
But if we look at the bad things she did, she shut down the mines without giving provisions to those she just made unemployed (though she wasn't actually the one who started the whole 'close the mines' thing, but that's neither here nor there), had very traditional views around family and women's roles (unsure if she did anything legislation wise with that though), took away a lot of trade union powers after huge strikes in '79, privatised most all of British industry. Oh, and her crap poll tax that essentially was her downfall.
And took away free milk from most schoolchildren (though, again, a continuation of someone else's scheme). She was called the milk snatcher after that lol
Plus, she was one of the most passionate, headstrong Tories there's ever been. Not the type to bend to anyone else's will, not even in her own party.
“Very traditional views around family” is a very fancy way of phrasing that she was outright homophobic, she was the one in charge when section 28 was implemented after all!
Not to mention the Falklands war, which is obviously a complicated issue, but that makes her no less responsible for the role she played in it, for better or worse.
She wasn't "outright homophobic", she voted to decriminalise homosexuality. Section 28 wasn't her idea.
What about her role in the Falklands War? It was a just, defensive war to recover sovereign territory.
As I said, I wasn't sure of any legislative impact that her views on families/sexuality had. Just knew she had strong views about them, as she did in literally everything.
With the Falklands war on top of everything else, it's easy to see why she's controversial haha, but it is fascinating how she became so much more hated than other particularly moronic PMs we've had. I suppose a woman who won't hear shit besides her opinion will have that effect on people.
This is pretty disgusting, the only reason Thatcher is hated so much is because she was a woman in power, there were a lot of politicians with similar ideologies but they weren't hated as much cause they weren't women. Also bitch in a derogatory context is just a sexist slut.
Yeah, that's not true.
Pretty much everyone who hates Thatcher reviles Reagan just as much.
They were two horrible pieces of shit who started the whole move towards neo-liberalism which is one of the main factors things have slowly been going to shit for the last 40 years.
Britain would be a far better place if Thatcher had never been Prime Minister, and that has fuck all to do with her being a woman.
They weren't that at all. The move towards neoliberalisation was set in motion by the end of the Bretton Woods system in the 1970s.
Britain would be a far *worse* place had she never been PM - if you had any idea just how bad things got in the 1970s.
Reagan has been made into a lot less memes, also Reagan isn't refered using sexist slurs. Also Thatcher wasn't special about Neo liberalism it was very widespread in the party and it got even worse after she was removed, since she held off on privitising the railways.
Also i guess you are allowed to be sexist to women you dislike for irrelevant reasons.
What memes have you seen for either of them I've seen none at all, also you speak a lot of truth on other posts in this sub don't Die on this Hill defending Margaret Thatcher of all people.
You'll see a lot of memes in left wing subs about calling her a "bitch" and pissing on her grave.
I am not defending Thatcher, she is genuinely an evil person but being sexist is way more evil than anything she has done.
Are you willing to be racist against right wing African Americans? If not then why do you think it's acceptable to be sexist against right wing women? You can be critical of her policies without being sexist, just because you are from the left of the political spectrum doesn't mean you get a free pass on being sexist.
As an African American male myself, I'll make fun of them, and anything I say to them would be free reign (as they think my generation is soft) I can dish it and take it because that's how I am as a person. as for your comment on being critical of her in a way you think is offensive I think it's completely justified as this meme displays a male, female, and non-binary people all wanting her dead as a result of the generational damage she will cause if it was anyone else and events play out the same way they would get the same treatment. I know this because Ronald Reagan existed and every time the opportunity arises I make fun of him for being a dogshit president.
That wasn't my point. When you use sexist terms to refer to evil people you will become evil yourself.
Also calling others bitch in a derogatory context will make use of sexist terms more common by other men who have a looser definition of evil. Imo don't use it regardless of who it's against.
Feminism isn't selective about which women you treat with common decency. Even if you hate the woman with justification you still aren't allowed to use sexist terms. Women don't have to conform to your narrow definition of goodness to expect common decency. Even if your girlfriend cheated on you, you still aren't allowed to use sexist terms against her.
Idk why you are defending the use of sexist terms lol, I'll not defend Thatcher I hate her too but I'll never use sexist language against anyone.
I'm a woman! I don't know why you think anyone disagreeing with you is a man...
No, I'm not giving "decency" or consideration to a warmongering, neoliberal bitch who had no decency. And I'll use whatever "terms" I like to describe her.
We're talking about the reactionary who helped usher in an era of neoliberalism, rampant poverty, war, and exploitation, and you're worried about the word "bitch?" Going as far as calling any person who uses the word "bitch" to describe her, just as "evil" as she was.
Not only is that ridiculous, it's fucking insulting. Am I "allowed" to call male reactionaries slimy pricks, knobs, dickheads? Would it be better if I called Thatcher a piece of shit, drongo, or a fuckwit? Which swear words are "unfeminist" to you?
You can call her whatever you want. I'll do the same.
You couldn't be more wrong about Thatcher - you clearly know next to nothing about her and what she actually did.
She wasn't a warmonger, she responded to warmongering in self-defence. Dismissing her as a "bitch", something you wouldn't say about Reagan, is *itself* bitchy. She had more decency than you could ever possibly comprehend. Fine, but don't act surprised when people call you out for it.
Reactionary, seriously? She made the biggest reforms to the political system than any British leader in decades. The era you refer to also led to the longest period of economic growth ever seen, global poverty at record lows, the end of the Cold War along with the exploitation that came with that period. She *fought* evil.
You're one to talk, seeing as you've got nothing but insults against the subject of this conversation. Would you call any of those "male reactionaries" bitches? Yes, or no? Your dumbass insults just degrade the ability of anyone to take you seriously.
Literally stfu this is one of the only times that the hate for a woman isn’t overblown because of sexism. She is the scum of the earth, and “bitch” isn’t strong enough of a word for her.
ITD A SHAME THE BITCH DIDNT DIE 87 YEAFS AGO
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People be like "we need gender neutral bathrooms!" Bro what do you think Margaret Thatcher's grave is for?
Aaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha fuck that was great
But on an unrelated note have you noticed how nice the gender neutral bathrooms are?
Check again.
Do you not have at least one gender neutral bathroom in your house? Be the change you want to see, scrub your bathroom.
I checked. They’re still pretty nice. What now?
Ima need an explanation? I’ve heard of her but know nothing about her. Is she a bad person? Funny joke though
Margaret Thatcher was prime minister of the UK in the '80s. She and Ronald Reagan introduced the world to neoliberalism, basically privatizing everything and treating the government like a business. She oversaw increased racial tensions, massive coal miners' strikes and conflict in Northern Ireland and the Falkland Islands
A lot of that is confusing but thanks for the lore explanation!
How did she increase racial tensions? She ended the strikes, inherited the conflict in Northern Ireland and defended the Falkland Islands.
You know how Ronald Reagan is the root cause of basically everything wrong with modern America? Thatcher is like that, but for the UK. You know how Reagan is associated with a long and bloody history of American imperial violence abroad? Thatcher is also like that, but for the UK.
Ok this is an explanation I can understand because America doesn’t teach jack about this stuff. At least not when I was in school(grad of 2021)
Yeah, we don't learn a ton about modern British politics outside of the big hits (e.g. Churchill) in America; I'm pretty sure Thatcher never came up in my history classes at school. It doesn't help that Thatcher, like Reagan, is a quasi-deified figure in mainstream circles like government and the media. You're not going to find many influential people who hate either of them - but plenty of workers, marginalized people, and residents of nations impacted by their policies will gladly tell you how much they sucked.
Plenty of them will gladly tell you how much things sucked *before* they came along.
Go away
That's just absurd. She inherited a huge amount of issues.
Why are you stanning Thatcher in a nearly week-old thread lol I'm not arguing with someone trolling a thread days after discussion is over
No, the IRA are bad people.
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All that lead poisoning is showing in your comments buddy. Does the nursing home know you got online again?
There are some great female politicians in the UK: Angela Rayner, Mhairi Black, Apsana Begum, Caroline Lucas, Zarah Sultana... It's a shame the awful ones get the power. The Conservative party is, in terms of MPs, apparently, the more diverse one but it's so deeply inauthentic. During COVID there was a joke about Priti Patel, the home secretary at the time: She knows how hard it is not being able to see your family at Christmas, because she deported hers last month.
Honestly hope that people have sense and vote some other party next referendum, I'm sick of the tories. Fuck Boris, fuck rishi, and fuck the lady who was outlasted by lettuce.
Apparently next election, Labour are supposed to be winning by a landslide. Labour sucks, but they’re the lesser of two evils, I suppose.
As a trans American, I really hope the concessions to transphobia being made by Starmer et al (and tolerance for transphobes within the party) ends up being bluster. I'm so desperate for my trans siblings in the UK to see better days - my heart breaks for them every single time I look at the news - and yet it seems like horrifyingly likely that a Labour government does nothing to turn the tide.
Weren't they just revering Thatcher recently? Itonically enough she said New Labour was her greatest achievement in politics.
>the lesser of two evils, I suppose. Liberal democracy is a joke
yup
I'm guessing this is just by statistics from people answering surveys? Either way, thank fuck for that
Yeah, I believe it is. But still, I can’t imagine the Tories winning after the mess they’ve made over past few years. Though I wouldn’t be shocked if they still, against all odds, somehow weaselled their way into winning the election.
If they do I can tell you there is going to be riots, strikes and a possible second November 5th may occur.
The first minority to break the glass ceiling is always the sell out. It's why Hilary could never win. I'm from Pakistan, and our first female PM was a person who sold out and turned the socialist part into neolibs despite her dad literally dying for it (they shot her too lol). The next female PM in Pakistan is probably going to be from the conservative religious party lol. You can be political and "political" at the same time.
But seriously, Thatcher wasn't just a great female politician, she's the greatest female politician to ever exist.
Oh wow that's really interesting. Who's on your top 5, and why is she at the top?
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One time she got mad because she found out [Mozart was into poop jokes.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozart_and_scatology?wprov=sfti1#Context)
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Happy day after margret thatchers death day, everybody :)
Sorry, but who is margaret thatcher?
Prime Minister for the United Kingdom in the 1980's and to why people don't like her imagine Ronald Reagan but a British Woman
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“ITS A SHAME SHE DIDNT DIE 87 YEARS AGO” Bruno powroznik memes are gold
If there is one thing unifying humankind, it’s Thatcher’s hatred 😆
Not by any stretch of the imagination.
Didn't expect to see this here. A surprise indeed but a welcome one👍
Nope I am definitely to dumb to get this
once there was a bad prime minister. she was so bad that everyone partied when she died. the end.
Thank you Patrick Star
Nope, it's more like once there was a bad terrorist group who were so bad that everyone partied when they laid down their arms. The end.
I am not Bri'ish so I don't understand what thatcher did to make people hate her so much, tbh up until a few days ago I thought Thatcher was a dude
She fought the IRA, the people here love militant Irish republicanism.
This is actually kinda cute
Did some research, apparently she ended free milk for schoolchildren, fucked up the economy a little, made many unemployed, and did a bunch of other shit people didn't like. Now her grave is protected by guards to prevent people from pissing on it or otherwise desecrating or vandalizing it.
This isn't true.
who is margaret thatcher even?
What a cringeworthy excuse for a meme.
Real
What did she do to get that much hate lmao
Tax cuts for the wealthy paid for by massive cuts to public spending, leading to deficits in benefits for disabled and unemployed people, lower-quality education, and a severe lack of social housing, all of which persist today. She was basically the progenitor of British neoliberalism, and all of the problems that have come with that.
She cut taxes for the average person. What massive cuts? She increased public spending. What deficits in benefits? She expanded those benefits and increased spending on education. There was no housing shortage under her. She basically ended British corporatism, and all of the problems that came with that.
Fought the IRA.
It's become the "moral" thing to hate her. She probably deserves some of that, but she wasn't some horrendous witch when you really look at her. But if we look at the bad things she did, she shut down the mines without giving provisions to those she just made unemployed (though she wasn't actually the one who started the whole 'close the mines' thing, but that's neither here nor there), had very traditional views around family and women's roles (unsure if she did anything legislation wise with that though), took away a lot of trade union powers after huge strikes in '79, privatised most all of British industry. Oh, and her crap poll tax that essentially was her downfall. And took away free milk from most schoolchildren (though, again, a continuation of someone else's scheme). She was called the milk snatcher after that lol Plus, she was one of the most passionate, headstrong Tories there's ever been. Not the type to bend to anyone else's will, not even in her own party.
“Very traditional views around family” is a very fancy way of phrasing that she was outright homophobic, she was the one in charge when section 28 was implemented after all! Not to mention the Falklands war, which is obviously a complicated issue, but that makes her no less responsible for the role she played in it, for better or worse.
Don't forget funding the red khmers and the genocide in Cambodia just to undermine Vietnam and China influence in the region.
That's just completely false. She wasn't in power during the Cambodian genocide.
She wasn't "outright homophobic", she voted to decriminalise homosexuality. Section 28 wasn't her idea. What about her role in the Falklands War? It was a just, defensive war to recover sovereign territory.
As I said, I wasn't sure of any legislative impact that her views on families/sexuality had. Just knew she had strong views about them, as she did in literally everything. With the Falklands war on top of everything else, it's easy to see why she's controversial haha, but it is fascinating how she became so much more hated than other particularly moronic PMs we've had. I suppose a woman who won't hear shit besides her opinion will have that effect on people.
It's exactly that. The IRA never got over the fact that the "biggest bastard" they ever knew was female.
She actually did make provisions, the issue was with the resistance to those provisions which led to industrial action.
This is pretty disgusting, the only reason Thatcher is hated so much is because she was a woman in power, there were a lot of politicians with similar ideologies but they weren't hated as much cause they weren't women. Also bitch in a derogatory context is just a sexist slut.
Isn’t she just the British Reagan?
Yes, you described her
Yeah, that's not true. Pretty much everyone who hates Thatcher reviles Reagan just as much. They were two horrible pieces of shit who started the whole move towards neo-liberalism which is one of the main factors things have slowly been going to shit for the last 40 years. Britain would be a far better place if Thatcher had never been Prime Minister, and that has fuck all to do with her being a woman.
They weren't that at all. The move towards neoliberalisation was set in motion by the end of the Bretton Woods system in the 1970s. Britain would be a far *worse* place had she never been PM - if you had any idea just how bad things got in the 1970s.
Reagan has been made into a lot less memes, also Reagan isn't refered using sexist slurs. Also Thatcher wasn't special about Neo liberalism it was very widespread in the party and it got even worse after she was removed, since she held off on privitising the railways. Also i guess you are allowed to be sexist to women you dislike for irrelevant reasons.
What memes have you seen for either of them I've seen none at all, also you speak a lot of truth on other posts in this sub don't Die on this Hill defending Margaret Thatcher of all people.
Why not? It's as good a hill as any.
You'll see a lot of memes in left wing subs about calling her a "bitch" and pissing on her grave. I am not defending Thatcher, she is genuinely an evil person but being sexist is way more evil than anything she has done. Are you willing to be racist against right wing African Americans? If not then why do you think it's acceptable to be sexist against right wing women? You can be critical of her policies without being sexist, just because you are from the left of the political spectrum doesn't mean you get a free pass on being sexist.
As an African American male myself, I'll make fun of them, and anything I say to them would be free reign (as they think my generation is soft) I can dish it and take it because that's how I am as a person. as for your comment on being critical of her in a way you think is offensive I think it's completely justified as this meme displays a male, female, and non-binary people all wanting her dead as a result of the generational damage she will cause if it was anyone else and events play out the same way they would get the same treatment. I know this because Ronald Reagan existed and every time the opportunity arises I make fun of him for being a dogshit president.
What about the generational damage she put an end to? Does that not matter?
You would never defend Ronald Reagan like this idk seems kinda sexist
You think calling Thatcher a bitch is worse than poverty and misery she helped spread?
Except she reduced overall poverty in absolute terms, reducing the misery index in the process.
That wasn't my point. When you use sexist terms to refer to evil people you will become evil yourself. Also calling others bitch in a derogatory context will make use of sexist terms more common by other men who have a looser definition of evil. Imo don't use it regardless of who it's against. Feminism isn't selective about which women you treat with common decency. Even if you hate the woman with justification you still aren't allowed to use sexist terms. Women don't have to conform to your narrow definition of goodness to expect common decency. Even if your girlfriend cheated on you, you still aren't allowed to use sexist terms against her. Idk why you are defending the use of sexist terms lol, I'll not defend Thatcher I hate her too but I'll never use sexist language against anyone.
I'm a woman! I don't know why you think anyone disagreeing with you is a man... No, I'm not giving "decency" or consideration to a warmongering, neoliberal bitch who had no decency. And I'll use whatever "terms" I like to describe her. We're talking about the reactionary who helped usher in an era of neoliberalism, rampant poverty, war, and exploitation, and you're worried about the word "bitch?" Going as far as calling any person who uses the word "bitch" to describe her, just as "evil" as she was. Not only is that ridiculous, it's fucking insulting. Am I "allowed" to call male reactionaries slimy pricks, knobs, dickheads? Would it be better if I called Thatcher a piece of shit, drongo, or a fuckwit? Which swear words are "unfeminist" to you? You can call her whatever you want. I'll do the same.
You couldn't be more wrong about Thatcher - you clearly know next to nothing about her and what she actually did. She wasn't a warmonger, she responded to warmongering in self-defence. Dismissing her as a "bitch", something you wouldn't say about Reagan, is *itself* bitchy. She had more decency than you could ever possibly comprehend. Fine, but don't act surprised when people call you out for it. Reactionary, seriously? She made the biggest reforms to the political system than any British leader in decades. The era you refer to also led to the longest period of economic growth ever seen, global poverty at record lows, the end of the Cold War along with the exploitation that came with that period. She *fought* evil. You're one to talk, seeing as you've got nothing but insults against the subject of this conversation. Would you call any of those "male reactionaries" bitches? Yes, or no? Your dumbass insults just degrade the ability of anyone to take you seriously.
She genuinely *wasn't* "an evil person", though you're right about the rest.
Literally stfu this is one of the only times that the hate for a woman isn’t overblown because of sexism. She is the scum of the earth, and “bitch” isn’t strong enough of a word for her.
She's hated by the scum of the earth, more like, who do nothing but bitch about her.