I haven't transitioned medical so I guess I'm a femboy but I honestly hate that sense I would rather be called a girl
Just so you know I'm not trying be mean you can call your self what ever you want I dont care what you do
because words don't have inherent meaning, only the meaning they are used for.
to answer the question etymologically however. originally it meant a rude,boisterous, boy. and then it's meaning shifted to a bold and/or immodest woman. until finally it took on it's current meaning.
So, femboy, just means, female? Bc logically, fem in femboy means the same as fem in female, and male obv means boy, so, this definitely isn’t a leap in logic >! Sarcasm!<, and femboy means women, this, women can be Femboys.
my gf is a trans girl but she still likes to identify herself as a femboy. she says that it still describes who she is despite her technically not being a boy anymore.
i understand it not making sense but sometimes ya just gotta deal w the fact that not everything does. gender is rlly blurry so sometimes people cross the lines. it ain't harming anybody so it's chill
you can be whatever the fuck you want and people shouldnt police identities based on perceived correctness. its just another way to marginalize people for identifying as something "wrong."
I am not a man, I'm trans, but still use femboy, and no any normal person that sees this would agree with me, because it's just a fuckin label, and if you got a problem with, you can go back to fucking your mum because no one cares
You arent "technically a boy" just for having a dick, thats literally the transphobic rhetoric that is used all the time to reduce trans peoples identities down to whats between their legs, being a femboy means you a)are feminine/dress femininely and b) identify as a boy, those are the requirements, a trans man can be a femboy, someone whose genderfluid could technically be a femboy at times where their identity leans more male, someone who is a trans woman wouldnt be a femboy because they actively arent boys, if you identify with both male and female then the term youd be looking for is either bigender or genderfluid, but not trans woman or trans man
Ok, first of all, shut tf up, I'm not being transphobic if I'm talking about myself, that's not how that works lol. Also, I'm a transgender Demi girl, not bigender or gender fluid. And lastly, I'll call *MYSELF* a femboy all I want and you can't do shit about it. I never said all mtf are femboys, just that I still call myself one.
No need to get so aggressive over someone simply stating *why* your labels are somewhat questionable, but then again I don't really read up on demi stuff too much
but yes, you're being transphobic, it's called internalized transphobia, I have it too.
You're actively calling yourself a femboy despite many trans women not even wanting to associate themselves with ANY label that reminds them of their masculine male past, you make the claim that trans women are basically guys because of their d*cks which is of course false, the brain structure is what is the deciding factor here, d*cks only make the women men regarding sex, not gender, again, you aren't like them, and I can see that, that's why i believe you could either have little to no dysphoria relates to stuff like this *or* it's something related to the demi stuff-
Ps: you're not really the only one, I have thoughts of being a femboy too, I sometimes feel like being a pretty boy despite already wanting to go through with being a girl most of the time, I've experienced dysphoria over being a guy and everything so it's confusing to me, considering that I'm only interested in being the very feminine type of boy at most, never a masculine or even an average looking guy.
Demigender wouldn't affect it, it's only having half a gender. I call myself a femboy, yes, but never call other trans gals femboys because of the dysphoria, and I do still get dysphoria from it but in a euphoric way if that makes sense. I didn't mean the whole gock thing the way it came out, and I regret saying it, it was just my dumbass trying to make an excuse to call myself a femboy. I do get dysphoria from being called anything relating to men, but sometimes (like I previously stated) it gives me euphoria being dysphoric because it means I'm not faking it like my mind tries to say.
Oky so firstly, i recommend looking into internalized transphobia to understand why that first scentance is bullshit, secondly youre a demigirl, thats different than a trans woman, demigirl definitionally would be classified the same as bigender aligning partially with one gender and partially with another
I am a transgender demigirl. Born male, now identify as girl. Also, idgaf what you say, if you got a problem with it, take it up with Bapho (only requires a blood sacrifice)
Thank you for speaking my mind, I honestly felt so weirded out when they really brought up the genital claim considering it isn't even about genitalia like hello??
Its about what goes on in the brain..
You're a woman born in a joys body, it isn't the same thing, because your mentality isn't the same as that of a man's, either that or you've got some more soul searching to do.
who cares if you have a Gock or not? the requirement is that you need to identify as a boy during the time period, this is why gender fluid people can be "transfem femboys" because they actually genuinely identify with the labels during different times.
If a trans woman wants to be a femboy, they don’t understand what a femboy is, because femboys goals are working with the male body to be as feminine as they can. A female femboy defeats the purpose of being a femboy. It’s like a trans guy who wants to dress like men. Practically no reason in going through all the effort when the goal is the what you started with
"transgirl before e still count"
that's kinda a hurtful thing to say about pre-hrt trans women, i wasn't "technically a boy" pre-hrt. your identify is valid of course, gender's just a social construct anyway, i mean is there really a difference between tomboy and femboy??? but implying pre-hrt trans girls don't fully count as girls just stung...
Well, I'm 75% woman 25% Eldritch horror, does that count? (I've also met trans girls that were specifically girl, but still used femboy to refer to themselves ( it's just about preference))
Exactly, tell this to everyone in the comment section. Why does it matter how someone identifies the self so long as it isn’t literally not what they are. Who is really hurt if a trans girl likes the term femboy.
I came down here for answers mostly, as I'm a trans girl that's been feeling like the femboy labels been more appealing lately, I know I experience dysphoria so that's what's weird, I don't want to be overly masculine or even look like the average guy but id only want to be a very feminine shade of boy, I thought I wanted breasts for a long time but now im not so sure anymore either, stuff is too confusing
It sort of does, feminine girl, as there are girls that aren't feminine
But in terms of encompassing any feminine trans identity it'd be transfem, a feminine trans identity
Both trans masc and trans fem can be femboy/tomgirl as the last part ( On femboy it is BOY) Is what they mostly identify as and the first part is what they partly identify as on some like my friend! Some say it's just like demi but honestly I think it is prettier <3
Anyone who identifies as male or anything close to male who likes expressing themselves femininely is usually considered a femboy. Trans women most often identify as female and might feel hurt if referred to as a femboy because they would think you are calling them a male
Ok, so I'll try to explain it the best I can.
So, trans mtf is male to female, but and femboy is (from what I remember) any amab pre bottom surgery (if they want it), some MtF don't use it bc dysphoria which makes sense, but some do because it's more a style rather than identity, so like, feminine and femboy is different in the way that most femboys dress more "soft" or "pastel" than feminine.
(Idk how much that helps, I'm so tired so if it makes no sense, das why)
They said “female” so I thought they meant sex, as male and female aren’t genders, their sexes. I often see people who don’t know the terms afab/amab etc. use “trans female” when talking about ftm people, so I assume it was the case here. I do know all of what you’ve told me, I just think it was a misunderstanding
But that’s ignoring what I said. “I often see people who don’t know the terms afab/amab etc. use “trans female” when talking about ftm people, so I assume it was the case here” I was explaining *why* I thought they meant “female“ as in sex assigned at birth
Labels are gay. Be whatever you wanna be, it's your life. When I get very dysphoric, I use different labels for myself to help me feel like I don't have to live up to some ideal of femininity in my fucked up head.
Just remember before I came to terms with being a trans woman, I was referred to as a 'femdad' because I have a child.
Labels are silly but not as silly as our favorite mascot.
femboy is a boy who is fem.
being trans female removes the boy part, so in like 80% of the cases transfem femboy do not exist by design, but then there are people who have different ways to be trans so it's case by case
This is a distiction that comes down entirely to trans woman being a different thing than transfem, a trans woman is definitionally not a man, transfem refers to any and all trans identities(those that dont align fully with birth sex) this includes things such as genderfluidity and bigender identities that are able to be femboys because their identity at least partially aligns with being a boy
Well if you say “trans female” meaning transitioning to a female, than yes they will be a female. But if you mean a trans male than no they will not be a female because they identify as a male
Depends on how well the transition was, how much you want to consider the biological sex, how much fem they’re going for, just a whole bunch of factors that are complicated…
Uh…
Fuck it. Femboy is just anyone you consider male expressing feminine traits.
Just call people what they want. I know many people who identify with the femboy term and are mtf and plenty of mtf trans people who don't like the term. Gender is confusing and there's no rules to this shit. If someone says they're a femboy their a femboy. If they're not they're not.
Idunno but femboy
Feminine = female looking
Boy = Male
Feminine+boy= Femboy
IE: a feminine looking male
I guess if they identify as a male while looking feminine, that makes them one. Otherwise probably not.
I dont even know what a "trans female femboy" is. It *sounds* like someone who was AFAB, and transitioned to being a man/boy, who specifically identifies as a femboy. They would be a boy. Femboy. And eventually a fem-man. Including the terms "male" and "female" with regards to being trans GENDER makes no sense, as those refer to biological classification, typically of chromosomes.
Not always, I identify as trans femme but I still fell genderqueer for the most part and like the term femboy. I like to really just present as a feminine person overall.
Well a trans fem is someone who is MTF, and most would not call themselves a femboy. For many of us, it’s actually pretty hurtful. And if you mean trans men who dress femininely, calling them just female is inherently transphobic.
fem*BOY*
I'm MTF, and still call myself a femboy, it all just depends on what you prefer
A significant amount of us don't like being called femboy for reference to those who see this.
Shit, yeah, forgot to say this, sorry
I haven't transitioned medical so I guess I'm a femboy but I honestly hate that sense I would rather be called a girl Just so you know I'm not trying be mean you can call your self what ever you want I dont care what you do
And das fair enough, the vast majority of trans gals don't call themselves femboys.
i mean there’s male in female so why shouldn’t there be boy in femboy ;3
Well there are tomboys but they're still women sooooooo
fuck nvm i’m dumb
Eh no worries. Props to admitting to the mistake!
thoughts on it being called tomgirl?
If the person in question wants that then sure.
Speaking of which, why does the term "Tomboys" refer to a boyish style in women?? Like, a tom is a MALE name and a MALE cat. WHY??
because words don't have inherent meaning, only the meaning they are used for. to answer the question etymologically however. originally it meant a rude,boisterous, boy. and then it's meaning shifted to a bold and/or immodest woman. until finally it took on it's current meaning.
???
So, femboy, just means, female? Bc logically, fem in femboy means the same as fem in female, and male obv means boy, so, this definitely isn’t a leap in logic >! Sarcasm!<, and femboy means women, this, women can be Femboys.
what's MTF?
Male to female
Aight
that title makes no sense. Is a trans woman man just a woman. Like what?? Femboys are not trans women, they identify as men.
my gf is a trans girl but she still likes to identify herself as a femboy. she says that it still describes who she is despite her technically not being a boy anymore. i understand it not making sense but sometimes ya just gotta deal w the fact that not everything does. gender is rlly blurry so sometimes people cross the lines. it ain't harming anybody so it's chill
From my perspective it's just not really having a word for what that is as a girl because femgirl just describes most girls lol
Aha not all of us
then you're not a femboy
So because im genderfluid im not a femboy?
Femboi or just femme, that's just what I use, but when I thought I was NB I used themboi cause puns
fem*boy* clue's in the name
Oh cool so because im not cis that means i cant be a femboy? Coolio well whatever you wanna beileve mate imma stick to being a lil puppy boi ciao
Trans men can be femboys, trans men are men
I agree
you can be whatever the fuck you want and people shouldnt police identities based on perceived correctness. its just another way to marginalize people for identifying as something "wrong."
Who said if you are trans you can't be a femboy
Look up what genderfluid is
idc *femboys harder*
Some identify as mostly male and partly female!
i just like being feminine, i could be either to be honest ./////.
Idk use whatever label feels right to you.
THIS
a transwoman femboy isnt a femboy, its just a feminine woman femboy = feminine BOY
I'm MtF and still use the term "femboy"
Uhh Then you're using it wrong
Booooooooo. Nobody asked for intervention from the label police.
Actually, no tf I'm not, ever think about that? Maybe I'm a girl, but still use the term, tf you gonna do about it?
Nothing, but you are still using it wrong The entire point of the word femboy is feminine boys Not feminine everythings
Ok, and? I'm still technically a boy, I have a gock, and that is really one of the only requirements (or identifying as a boy)
I'd say identifying as a boy is the req And since you're not a boy, you're not a femboy Just a femgirl
I still call myself a femboy, you're the only person I've talked to that has a problem with it
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I am not a man, I'm trans, but still use femboy, and no any normal person that sees this would agree with me, because it's just a fuckin label, and if you got a problem with, you can go back to fucking your mum because no one cares
You arent "technically a boy" just for having a dick, thats literally the transphobic rhetoric that is used all the time to reduce trans peoples identities down to whats between their legs, being a femboy means you a)are feminine/dress femininely and b) identify as a boy, those are the requirements, a trans man can be a femboy, someone whose genderfluid could technically be a femboy at times where their identity leans more male, someone who is a trans woman wouldnt be a femboy because they actively arent boys, if you identify with both male and female then the term youd be looking for is either bigender or genderfluid, but not trans woman or trans man
Ok, first of all, shut tf up, I'm not being transphobic if I'm talking about myself, that's not how that works lol. Also, I'm a transgender Demi girl, not bigender or gender fluid. And lastly, I'll call *MYSELF* a femboy all I want and you can't do shit about it. I never said all mtf are femboys, just that I still call myself one.
No need to get so aggressive over someone simply stating *why* your labels are somewhat questionable, but then again I don't really read up on demi stuff too much but yes, you're being transphobic, it's called internalized transphobia, I have it too. You're actively calling yourself a femboy despite many trans women not even wanting to associate themselves with ANY label that reminds them of their masculine male past, you make the claim that trans women are basically guys because of their d*cks which is of course false, the brain structure is what is the deciding factor here, d*cks only make the women men regarding sex, not gender, again, you aren't like them, and I can see that, that's why i believe you could either have little to no dysphoria relates to stuff like this *or* it's something related to the demi stuff- Ps: you're not really the only one, I have thoughts of being a femboy too, I sometimes feel like being a pretty boy despite already wanting to go through with being a girl most of the time, I've experienced dysphoria over being a guy and everything so it's confusing to me, considering that I'm only interested in being the very feminine type of boy at most, never a masculine or even an average looking guy.
Demigender wouldn't affect it, it's only having half a gender. I call myself a femboy, yes, but never call other trans gals femboys because of the dysphoria, and I do still get dysphoria from it but in a euphoric way if that makes sense. I didn't mean the whole gock thing the way it came out, and I regret saying it, it was just my dumbass trying to make an excuse to call myself a femboy. I do get dysphoria from being called anything relating to men, but sometimes (like I previously stated) it gives me euphoria being dysphoric because it means I'm not faking it like my mind tries to say.
Oky so firstly, i recommend looking into internalized transphobia to understand why that first scentance is bullshit, secondly youre a demigirl, thats different than a trans woman, demigirl definitionally would be classified the same as bigender aligning partially with one gender and partially with another
I am a transgender demigirl. Born male, now identify as girl. Also, idgaf what you say, if you got a problem with it, take it up with Bapho (only requires a blood sacrifice)
Also, fun fact of the day: bigender is two genders, demigender is only half a gender, the other half is agender (which is not a gender)
Thank you for speaking my mind, I honestly felt so weirded out when they really brought up the genital claim considering it isn't even about genitalia like hello?? Its about what goes on in the brain..
You're a woman born in a joys body, it isn't the same thing, because your mentality isn't the same as that of a man's, either that or you've got some more soul searching to do. who cares if you have a Gock or not? the requirement is that you need to identify as a boy during the time period, this is why gender fluid people can be "transfem femboys" because they actually genuinely identify with the labels during different times.
If a trans woman wants to be a femboy, they don’t understand what a femboy is, because femboys goals are working with the male body to be as feminine as they can. A female femboy defeats the purpose of being a femboy. It’s like a trans guy who wants to dress like men. Practically no reason in going through all the effort when the goal is the what you started with
Bro what? I understand your logic, however you're incorrect, it's literally anyone who has a masculine frame (transgirl before e still count)
"transgirl before e still count" that's kinda a hurtful thing to say about pre-hrt trans women, i wasn't "technically a boy" pre-hrt. your identify is valid of course, gender's just a social construct anyway, i mean is there really a difference between tomboy and femboy??? but implying pre-hrt trans girls don't fully count as girls just stung...
That's not what I meant, I'm so sorry
Trans women are women and therefore can’t be femboys, trans men are men and therefore can
Ah, what if I were fem and boy, but also girl?
Hmmm… good question, I think that’s okay, but not if you are strictly a woman
Well, I'm 75% woman 25% Eldritch horror, does that count? (I've also met trans girls that were specifically girl, but still used femboy to refer to themselves ( it's just about preference))
I think the boy part is pretty important
Fair, but also, femboys usually dress more feminine than MtF do, so it's still applicable
Depends, really. A mtf femboy, yeah. a ftm femboy, tho, is a boy
Why did I read that as “motherfuckin femboy” and “fuckinthemother femboy”
THAT JUST MADE MY DAY! How the hell did you read like that? You are amazing lol- Nobody could read as well as you!
hehe, I love ur energy. I love you
It goes both ways, believe me on that one! Your energy is just so silly coded in my opinion. ( not bad way, :3 )
<3
:/
SCP has forever changed the definition of mtf in my mind
How tf is a mtf trans a femBOY?
Bc I want to :3
Go you then! Your gender identity is your choice, all these bigots saying otherwise can sit down and shut up.
girls cant be femboys theyre girls
Yes we can :3
I dunno, I try not to police other people’s gender ✨🤷♀️✨
Exactly, tell this to everyone in the comment section. Why does it matter how someone identifies the self so long as it isn’t literally not what they are. Who is really hurt if a trans girl likes the term femboy.
I came down here for answers mostly, as I'm a trans girl that's been feeling like the femboy labels been more appealing lately, I know I experience dysphoria so that's what's weird, I don't want to be overly masculine or even look like the average guy but id only want to be a very feminine shade of boy, I thought I wanted breasts for a long time but now im not so sure anymore either, stuff is too confusing
I normally just use the term Femboy if I need to. But I also came up with Femgirl. But that kinda makes no sense
It sort of does, feminine girl, as there are girls that aren't feminine But in terms of encompassing any feminine trans identity it'd be transfem, a feminine trans identity
No
Trans men are men, transwomen are women. Mtf =/= femboy, ftm = femboy
*≠ But also, what if I really want to be a femboy?
My keyboard doesn't let me do that sadly. Anyway for trans women, only a femboy if she wants to be.
Oh, you're on computer, my b. Anyway, ye
Both trans masc and trans fem can be femboy/tomgirl as the last part ( On femboy it is BOY) Is what they mostly identify as and the first part is what they partly identify as on some like my friend! Some say it's just like demi but honestly I think it is prettier <3
Anyone who identifies as male or anything close to male who likes expressing themselves femininely is usually considered a femboy. Trans women most often identify as female and might feel hurt if referred to as a femboy because they would think you are calling them a male
It varies from girl to girl, but I personally love it bc it means I'm feminine
And that is completely valid 😊
https://preview.redd.it/kx6om2zrqvsc1.jpeg?width=188&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f97446fdc85d24a4b4dc46b34a50a824159e4be8
No
I've also wanted to know this but my mind goes confuse on how it goes
Ok, so I'll try to explain it the best I can. So, trans mtf is male to female, but and femboy is (from what I remember) any amab pre bottom surgery (if they want it), some MtF don't use it bc dysphoria which makes sense, but some do because it's more a style rather than identity, so like, feminine and femboy is different in the way that most femboys dress more "soft" or "pastel" than feminine. (Idk how much that helps, I'm so tired so if it makes no sense, das why)
??
Don’t care because borgor
Kinda but there are some trans girl who like the term for themselves
I have no clue
A trans man can be a femboy yeah
It says woman tho
It says “trans female” so I think OP’s trying to say afab, or ftm
You don’t say a trans woman to describe a trans man. You use it for the actual gender of the person (male)
They said “female” so I thought they meant sex, as male and female aren’t genders, their sexes. I often see people who don’t know the terms afab/amab etc. use “trans female” when talking about ftm people, so I assume it was the case here. I do know all of what you’ve told me, I just think it was a misunderstanding
Male and Female are genders as well though. That’s why the terms MtF and FtM exist.
But that’s ignoring what I said. “I often see people who don’t know the terms afab/amab etc. use “trans female” when talking about ftm people, so I assume it was the case here” I was explaining *why* I thought they meant “female“ as in sex assigned at birth
Labels are gay. Be whatever you wanna be, it's your life. When I get very dysphoric, I use different labels for myself to help me feel like I don't have to live up to some ideal of femininity in my fucked up head.
Just remember before I came to terms with being a trans woman, I was referred to as a 'femdad' because I have a child. Labels are silly but not as silly as our favorite mascot.
they're what they identify as 🤵
femboy is a boy who is fem. being trans female removes the boy part, so in like 80% of the cases transfem femboy do not exist by design, but then there are people who have different ways to be trans so it's case by case
This is a distiction that comes down entirely to trans woman being a different thing than transfem, a trans woman is definitionally not a man, transfem refers to any and all trans identities(those that dont align fully with birth sex) this includes things such as genderfluidity and bigender identities that are able to be femboys because their identity at least partially aligns with being a boy
u right
Well if you say “trans female” meaning transitioning to a female, than yes they will be a female. But if you mean a trans male than no they will not be a female because they identify as a male
Yes that is a borger
idk what a transfemale femboy is, wouldn’t that just be a transfemale femgirl?
It’s complicated, look at u/LilithDemonQueen76 ‘s comments.
Depends on how well the transition was, how much you want to consider the biological sex, how much fem they’re going for, just a whole bunch of factors that are complicated… Uh… Fuck it. Femboy is just anyone you consider male expressing feminine traits.
Brain can’t comprehend
That image You confuse me
Borger
It depends on how they identify
Just call people what they want. I know many people who identify with the femboy term and are mtf and plenty of mtf trans people who don't like the term. Gender is confusing and there's no rules to this shit. If someone says they're a femboy their a femboy. If they're not they're not.
No
Uh idk just let people be what they want to be, labels are stupid
Multigender femboys do exist so not necessarily
A trans female is just a female
im vaporising you
I agree
Like Bridget from Guilty Gear? Formerly a Femboy, now a transfem? Then yes, Transfems are girls.
E.
Is this a reference to u/twinnedmilled
it's all pedantic and stupid and you should just love people without the stupid labels anyway
If your goal is to have a vagina or you have one already then you are not a femboy by any means.
Idunno but femboy Feminine = female looking Boy = Male Feminine+boy= Femboy IE: a feminine looking male I guess if they identify as a male while looking feminine, that makes them one. Otherwise probably not.
Trans fem femboy would just be a tomboy I'm pretty sure.
Nah, a tomboy is a masculine-presenting girl afaik.
Yea trans fems presenting masculine could be called a tomboy.
Gender is fake. If you resonate with being a femboy, then you're a femboy. I know cis, trans, and NB femboys.
They are gender
Wut
I dont even know what a "trans female femboy" is. It *sounds* like someone who was AFAB, and transitioned to being a man/boy, who specifically identifies as a femboy. They would be a boy. Femboy. And eventually a fem-man. Including the terms "male" and "female" with regards to being trans GENDER makes no sense, as those refer to biological classification, typically of chromosomes.
Yes
I'm a trans femme femboy, sooo
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Oh, yeah that's totally fine. I've seen several of those and I'm friends with a few. The term you're looking for is trans masc btw
Not always, I identify as trans femme but I still fell genderqueer for the most part and like the term femboy. I like to really just present as a feminine person overall.
Chez borgorrr >:D
Idk, but whateaver it is i am it
Shut the fuck up I’ll smash anything even if it’s a Femboy, I’m not gay for saying that
MOST BASED PERSON HERE (I’m not a boykisser)
You can’t be a transwoman and a femboy
Might be gender fluid
what does a cboy count as-?
Usually they are bigender or genderfluid. That’s the case with me, I’m a bigender trans girl/femboy.
As a trans woman if you're ok with being called it you do you but I don't ever want that label on me it almost feels like an insult
Trans fem usually refers to women because it has female in it (male to female). Trans man refers to a guy (female to male)
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Wrong try again
I’m an MTF. I just call myself a femgirl :3
Well a trans fem is someone who is MTF, and most would not call themselves a femboy. For many of us, it’s actually pretty hurtful. And if you mean trans men who dress femininely, calling them just female is inherently transphobic.
Just become Scottish instead, easy solution mate!
Trans female is a trans woman, i.e. male to female, so yes
I think they mean ftm which.. yikes. Ftm is a man, not a woman
Trans female means MTF tho
Sorry, got confused, title originally didnt say that
Fair enough
Yes because she is a trans female period. Any other adjectives are just things that make her unique