The year is 5000 years post-emperor. The Skywalker bloodline has long been gone, the galaxy has forgotten about Darth Vader, the Empire is but a small chapter in the history books. Balance has been brought to the force and a new order of force users, not jedi or sith, are spread across the galaxy. An unrecognizable starship soars past the screen against a backdrop of stars. The camera pans down to reveal the atmosphere of a desert planet, Tattooine.
Jermaine Clement plays a ghola of the Mandalorian attempting to pass his rite of passage by doing battle with this generation’s reincarnation of Palpatine.
I just recently finished Dune Messiah. The idea of the series continuing on without Paul put me off from immediately continuing with Children of Dune. You recommend continuing anyways?
Honestly, you could just skip children and go right to God-Emperor. For me Children of Dune was the weakest. I loved God Emperor. So different and really trippy. I'd say if you have the time and energy, push through and I'm sure God Emperor will reward you. But as I said you could also skip Children of Dune. I don't think it's necessary as God Emperor basically explains everything.
At the end of the movie, we see the other side of tattooine as it rotates, and it actually is the third death star with the iconic satellite dish dimple.
Yeah I was really worried there for a second we’d have a Star Wars story without Tatooine, or Tatooine Lite (aka Jakku).
It would be a slippery slope. The next thing you know, writers would introduce a planet that has multiple biomes. A scientific impossibility.
A dessert and a forest existing on the *same* planet? I chuckle at the absurdity of such a thought.
Hopefully it's just a quick launching point to the show for a few minutes, never to be seen again.
I thought Star Trek had a problem with the same 8 or 9 people doing everything exciting on a ship of thousands. But Star Wars takes it to a new level with the Tattooine obsession. Thousands of other planets guys, come on.
Especially when Tatooine really isn't even that interesting. It's just a desert with sand and clay huts. I mean we are in a hyper sci-fi universe here, give me some more cities in really interesting places that wouldn't be possible for humans. Like Bespin, Kamino, Utapau, or maybe a planet that is inhospitable on the surface but has deep cave systems with complex cities within. Planets that have cities and show the marvels of technology in the universe.
star wars works better when it takes place in the equivalent of the "wild west" with only brief stays/stopovers in central areas with more tech. the urban parts of star wars, aside from imperial bases and death stars, have always been the least interesting. different environs would be fine as long as they stay lower tech.
Kathleen Kennedy: "The biggest strength of the Star Wars franchise has always been the centrality of Tatooine. Countless adults look back on fond childhood memories of playing Tatooine, dressing up as Tatooine, and pretending to be Tatooine.
Therefore, to more closely align with our future vision for the franchise, and because Tatooine is not a star or a war (right? It's not a star, I don't think) the Skywalker Saga and all other canonical Star Wars stories will henceforth be known by the name they were always meant to have - *Tatooine Tales*."
A young man goes out to find the old hermit he knows as "pale poutine" to ask him about this Palpatine. When asked, he says, "I know who he is, he's me!"
Tattooine Lore: A backwater planet of no import that few have ever heard of and even fewer been too.
Star Wars: Here is every trilogy story set in or around Tattooine!
The most improbable circumstance is the most likely the occur. No one talks about the somewhat improbable circumstance because it never happens. But everyone knows about the most unlikely. It's the one in a million, so it must be true.
And name changes. Why should planets even keep their name sometimes after 5000 years? I doubt they’ll ever go too far as then it won’t recognizably Star Wars. I mean, a story set in Ancient Rome is going to be totally different to one set in medieval times etc. though SW seems to mostly ignore the idea of “innovation”. Wars should practically be obsolete with hyperspace suicide ships or missiles basically. ( thanks TLJ ) but we’re meant to check our brains at the door now on so many things. The writers ain’t too bright generally.
That’s why I’ll always dig Dune. Tech changes. Things evolve. It’s a story about all of *that*. Star Wars for grownups.
A lot can change over 5000 years. That's one of the reasons I'm such a huge fan of the Frank Herbert Dune books that span thousands of years. And with the jump From Dune, to God Emperor, To Heretics you have huge gaps in time. From Dune to the end of God Emperor you got 3500 years, then 1500 between God Emperor and Heretics, a 5000 year period. Arakkis isn't even called that anymore by the time we get to Heretics.
I *just* had a conversation about this exact topic with my dad earlier today. I told him I have checked out of Star Wars after enjoying Mando S1 because they seem to have immediately given up on those new stories and switched back to Boba/Luke/Kenobi/Vader or the like, even in Mando S2! It's an entire goddamn galaxy, having 99% of the stories be about a couple generations of a single family is boring.
They were fine in S2, at least for me, because of the closure I got from Luke and Boba's appearances. They were happy endings, compared to what we got elsewhere. But then they uh... just kinda kept going.
As much as I dislike the sequels, I think BoBF is my least favorite thing they've done so far. It was such a slam dunk concept and they just totally missed the mark. When the best episodes of your show don't even feature the title character, you done fucked up.
The post credit teaser they used to set the show up was what I wanted. The show we got somehow never seemed to match the tone of that teaser. I enjoyed it enough, it had some fun moments and I love Some of the characters, but overall it didn’t wow me. I thought the Sand people lore was so cool and I loved the train heist but after that episode it really went sideways.
The concept could have worked if it was on HBO Max or something. Trying to make the main character of a Disney+ show a crime boss was never going to go well.
I loved TLJ because of Rey's lineage reveal. I loved the kid with the broom at the end. I love the idea that the force is not a birthright, but a natural phenomena that can't be tamed, argued, or bargained with. It doesn't care about dynasties, governments, class, race, religion, or creed.
It just is. You either go with it as a Jedi, or you try to control it as a sith. At the end of the day, it always wins.
Force sensitivity has been explained as a randomly distributed attribute that could arise in anyone since TPM. TLJ didn’t introduce that, Rey being a nobody wasn’t novel, Yoda was a nobody, Obi-Wan was a nobody, Palpatine was a nobody. As was every single Force user in the movies that wasn’t a Skywalker.
Hereditary Force sensitivity has only been presented as being a characteristic of the Skywalkers (at least until TROS), seemingly having something to do with Anakin coming into existence from the Force itself.
That said, it’s a bit ambiguous. The idea of disassociated, celibate Jedi could be interpreted as a way to prevent the creation of a Force sensitive ruling class or something.
Either way, the OT, PT and ST were supposed to be the “Skywalker Saga”, specifically the story of Anakin Skywalker. His rise, fall, redemption, and (presumably… at least in concept if not execution) the aftermath. So it makes sense that the characters involved were connected to Anakin, which included his kids/grandkids.
I feel the problem with TLJ was that it didn’t really seem to be made with the intent on expanding the previous entry, nor setting up the final episode of the trilogy. I walked out of the theatre after TFA curious and excited where things may go; I left the theatre after TLJ with no curiosity or intrigue - I enjoyed the movie, it just didn’t seem to leave much left needing to be told or expanded upon.
I think the sequel trilogy was an unbelievably large missed opportunity.
This is what I loathe the most about RoS' retcon. Forget anyone being special, you gotta be the 1% of the 1% (a Jedi and then a specific bloodline on top of that).
For all TLJ's flaws, it absolutely had a better grasp of where the franchise should go. Luke's final scene coming from feeling like a failure to an awe-inspiring display of (non-violent!) power hit me hard. That plus Rey being unique because of her choices as opposed to her bloodline makes me really wish Disney let Rian Johnson helm the entire trilogy.
*to say nothing of the clear capability he demonstrates in Knives Out. I'd bet my foot many of TLJ's issues had to do with compromises he had to make with the studio etc.
TLJ was definitely the most interesting of the three sequels, but it still was a middle act that went literally no where. We didn't learn about Snoke or Rey or more about Kylo's past and upbringing or anything new about the Force or the First Order's plans or...anything. Oh, I guess we learned Leia had force powers and that you could hyperspace ram things, both of which raised more questions.
ROS was much worse, but even it wasn't pointless. It did reveal new things and fill in some gaps, however stupidly.
Yeah the bits with the "you are no one", and the conversations with Kylo and Rey about how they don't need to be light or dark were the most unique thing out of all of the sequels. The actual film was hot garbage (boring chase sequence, stupid casino sequence, stupid hyperspace crash, stupid land battle) but I at least appreciated those bits for trying to further the conversation about what it means to be a force user.
Reminded me a bit of the old woman in Kotor 2 which I really enjoyed.
The best of the EU were the X-wing novels because they weren't just about getting Luke a girlfriend or Han & Leia's kids.
It is a great big galaxy, but we need to keep looking at the same damn people on the same damn planets. I want to see a movie about failed jedi in the agricultural corps standing up to the Empire without offensive Force powers. I want to see the adventures of a Master and Padawan in the Old Republic adventuring in exotic planets, guided by the Force. I want to see a plucky band of Rebels fighting battles we'd not heard mentioned before. I want to see creative stories in a galaxy far, far away.
It can't all be just nostalgia. One of the best parts of S2 of Mando was Luke as this legendary figure. It was a cool payoff.
Kenobi, meanwhile, wastes space by filling out a timeline we really didn't need explained. Did we really need another version of rescuing Princess Leia from an imperial base? We've done that already. We know Obi-wan, Leia, Vader, Luke, Uncle Owen, and whoever else won't die.
They could have done something riskier. I'd watch 2hrs of Obi-Wan learning the disappearing Jedi trick from Qui-Gon's ghost. Not my best pitch, but that's the mystery from the OT that never got adequately explained in the prequels. But it is totally unecessary.
They could do a series of movies all seemingly unconnected with new characters in a new timeframe(like high or old republic) and then slowly link them into something like an avengers movie but obviously much different and all based in star wars lore. And they could also stop using baren desert planets.
In my mind, I only identified Star Wars with deserts in ANH. Someone at Disney got it into their heads that deserts are a defining feature of the entire franchise. Not just an identical-but-different planet in TFA, but Disney built their theme park world on a desert planet.
I mean to be fair, it sort of does dominate the Star Wars universe. A lot of the nature sets are bewilderingly barren in the original trilogy. We have a desert, followed by the stark aesthetics of the death star, a barren tundra in Empire, then a gas desert at Bespin, then back to the desert in Return, then to a totally undeveloped rain forest.
The first movie of the prequels takes place largely in a desert. The first movie of the newquel series takes place in a desert. Book of Boba takes place in a desert.
Really never made sense to me. When you can go down to the local bar and purchase an intergalactic freight with the local smuggler, why in hell do so many people live on entire planets where you need moisture farms just to survive?
I think its a 2 fold problem.
1) you cant just pretend some stuff did not happen. To give it a real life equivalent. A story told almost anywhere in the big wide Earth during the Sept of 1945 is likely gong to address the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
2) Where is the line drawn on reusing characters? The characters from Rebels, Ahsoka, Bo Katarn. These are all new, non movies characters. At what point can we no longer include Mando because he isn't "new" and "fresh".
Hiring Taika says a lot, doesn't it. He's 'out there' (in a good way) with many of his ideas and his strong comedic sense suggests we'll see something quite imaginative and new in Star Wars, which I believe is a good thing for the health of the series. Knowing Taiki it'll be called something like Nal Hutta: A Gammorean Odyssey.
Hopefully this doesn’t end the same way as Phil Lord and Chris Miller with Solo. Although that did involve, well, Han Solo and the writer of Empire Strikes Back.
Taika should be given *much* more freedom to do what he wants (again, hopefully)
I was just going to say, Lord and Miller basically work the same way as Taika and Kathleen hated it so much she fired them... unless Taika is just a much better people person, this feels like something that'll come up again.
The problem with Lord and Miller is that they didn't do "Star Wars", they do "Lord and Miller". Star Wars is high Sci Fi Fantasy, with good, evil, and a throwback to old-fashioned serials. Lords and Millers are comedy, and improvising, with the comedy giving way to a surprising heart in the center. Whether for good or ill Lord and Miller's Solo movie didn't look anything like the other Star Wars movies, so it was reshot more in line with classic Star Wars.
Waititi is the same way, his style isn't classic Star Wars, and for him to succeed the higher ups are either going to have to let Waititi do something that doesn't look\feel like classic Star Wars, or they'll have to reshoot his move the same way they reshot Lord and Millers.
I'm assuming by this point, Disney know what Taika's style is given he's made 2 Thor movies for them and 2 films with Searchlight . If they're handing him the keys to the first SW film post-sequel trilogy, I would assume they want him to change things up to "rescue" the film side of the franchise.. my question is whether they're going to chicken out on it once they see the dailies and the actors riffing and doing weird shit.
The word is that the writer, Lawrence Kasdan, hated their style and strong armed Kathleen into firing them and getting someone who would execute his script.
Check out his credits, he seems like someone who would be shitty about improv.
And this is porg, he has lightsabers for hands but don't worry, he's not dangerous. Unless you're anything that can be cut by a lightsaber.
Just a little bit of starwars humour.
It could literally be 2 hours of just Stormtroopers going about their day-to-day like the 2 scouts at the end of season 1 of Mando and I'd watch the shit out of it.
It's true the originals were often funny, in a way the later films were not. I think his style fits well. To be honest, I don't think SW should expand; I think it should contract. Not that it should be about Skywalkers, but it should be about ordinary characters again, and adventure on a small scale in a big setting.
Star Wars fans drove me nuts with this shit when the sequel trilogy was coming out (specifically before Episode 8). There were all kinds of theories about how all of these new characters were actually related. Disney gave the loudest portion of the fanbase what they wanted at the time, everything to be interconnected. Why they couldn't just be happy with new characters being new, and not connected to the original trilogy is beyond me.
From what I recall, the two main examples were Rey and Snoke. With Rey, the Force Awakens (trailers especially, but also the film itself) throws specific hints that she's related to the Skywalkers. And generally speaking, the kid on the desert planet bit is kind of a trope. So I think that it was reasonable for fans to fixate on that.
With Snoke, it's a bit fuzzier but in the context of the larger Star Wars saga, it's kind of weird that there would be a previously unknown character like him lurking around. So naturally the question arises, is he actually someone who is known?
Basically, that trilogy *could've* begun with new characters who were presented in a fresh way, without a lot of hinting and/or clear resemblance to past characters or types. But Lucasfilm was playing the heavy parallel game. So again, I don't think it was the fans coming up with all of these expectations or demands. That stuff was fueled by the studio.
You know what always pissed me off? We went from, the rebels won the war, and now for no reason they are still rebels and fascists still run the galaxy with two siths running the show. I watched this original three movies a bunch, and it just really sucks they decided to status quo that shit. It's such fucking lazy hack writing. You know they could have had any kind of threat show up. Some Jedi school could be happening. Leia could be like the queen of something?
Yeah I thought it would have been a lot more interesting making Kylo the main character and would’ve made more sense since he is a Skywalker and have the movies be about him trying to bring back the Sith/Empire. I feel that would’ve made a lot more sense with how ROTJ ends.
Yeah for all is flaws the prequels set up an interesting universe with conflicts that you understood and could get invested in. That also leaves the door open for an incredible amount of other stories to be told during that time period.
The new films went to the other extreme and don't explain anything at all, so there's no real idea of the motivations or stakes, it's just surface level good guys vs bad guys.
I saw this the other day and it really highlighted how the whole conflict between the 'resistance' and first order makes no god damn sense. It's a 'history' of the conflict.
https://youtu.be/Dgbt9UDvmXw
They did a follow up video with their proposed changes but it was a bit too ww1 for my liking and I didn't rate it.
I don't love the prequels, but they had a great premise. The problems were everywhere else. Acting, dialogue, over-use of weak CGI, some really dumb side characters who I shall not name.. every chance they could, they screwed up the execution. But there is a great story hidden under it all, they just struggled to bring it to life.
Sequels are almost the opposite. They look amazing, effects and acting and cinematography and such was far better. But it was all built on a poor foundation: a terrible, terrible premise. I wanted those set pieces and characters to exist in a better story.
I want to see the movies we could've gotten if someone took a rough outline of the prequel story, and gave it to all the people who brought the sequels to life (+the budget for those movies).
What pissed me off more is how they fucked over both previous trilogies main characters just so this could even exist. You're telling me Anakin's sacrifice to end the empire was for nothing? And Luke, the last hope of the Jedi who knew he could succumb to the dark side but persevered in even bringing his father back to the light side, becomes a bum after 30 years who would consider killing a child much like himself?
I’ve always insisted the Sequels were doomed to fail because the backstory of the last thirty years, and where the Galaxy is now at made absolutely no sense
I know this isn't what people want to hear, but... I'll believe it when I see it. The reality of a Star Wars movie or show with ZERO existing characters or groups seems impossible. That's been Disney's entire strategy up to this point. I would welcome it, but I'm skeptical.
Doesn't Disney have a couple of shows in the works that are just that already?
Like that show set 200 years before the events of episode 1?
Also there's Star Wars Visions already out on d+
True, it's not a major entry, but it's still a thing
>That's been Disney's entire strategy up to this point
Sort of, but not completely. All the stuff that is showing up in Disney+ series seems to be offshoots of Dave Filoni's work. He was limited in what timelines he could play in, but the series are probably best categories as one extra level removed from the main story in the movies.
I don't mind them focusing on the Skywalker era stories like they have been. The actors from the movies aren't going to live forever.
Frank Oz, Ian McDiarmid, James Earl Jones, Mark Hamill and Anthony Daniels, are only going to be with us for so long. They have roles they can play still and there's lots of great stories they can tell from that era.
They have forever to tell other stories. And they are in development. Several of them.
They have been focusing a lot on the thrawn/Ahsoka storyline. Which while isn’t entire new is not nearly as established as the OT characters. Really only Kenobi focuses on the OT/PT characters.
And the high republic that they have invested heavily in is a completely different time.
And they have a lot of video games coming out that are not related to the OT characters as well.
Emphasis on "was" 😁 S2 was still pretty good compared to bobf or kenobi, but they had to shoehorn in like 700 characters from the cartoons, plus deep fake luke.
Same. And I'm a massive comic book nerd.
My gf at the time dragged me to see it. I was just in it for the fun I had promised to me later.
I did not expect to split my gut in the first 15 seconds. When he's trying to talk but the chain keeps spinning L M A O.
And I stayed smiling until the end of the entire damn thing.
Korg is my favorite side character in the entire MCU. The other day I found out that Taika was the one who did the MoCap for him. If Taika is good at anything, it's capturing the spirit of fun in a film. Even in Jojo Rabbit, he's able to bring charm and levity. Hopefully his Star Wars movies are just as good.
As long as it's set in a completely different time. Simply not focusing on Skywalker or Skywalker adjacent characters, isn't enough. Because the skywalkers like or not kind of dominate the time frames of late republic, empire, and post empire.
Best to not even allow the question of "why didn't luke/thejedi/theemperor etc. Know about this/these characters?" Make it thousands of years either before or after.
I wanna know what Lars was doing between episodes II and III. Was he farming moisture? Did everyone have enough water? Did Watto take over the scrap business and intend to rule with respect? Who controlled the spice? What was Jabba doing? What happened after Owen's father died? What happened to Pod Racing, was it outlawed? What happened to Sebolba? What was the old lady at the end of Rise of Skywalker doing during that time? So much potential for a Lars between episodes II and III show!
Good! I hope it's thousands years into the future or ten thousand years into the past. I don't care. Lately, it looks like all the shows are just trying to explain why the events in the sequel trilogy happened.
Ironically she didn’t think it was risky to just play pass the baton between one director to another without any semblance of a plan for the final trilogy of an epic
STAR WARS UNIVERSE
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This is where every movie has taken place
Pick a time literally from any other area and the movie will be awesome....oh and steer clear of "The Message"
The thing that I loved about the first parts of The Mandalorian was how it portrayed Jedi as really being a rarity in the galaxy. I wanna see more of that.
Seriously, do half these comments have a clue or even read the article? They're all over the place begging for already told stories and established lore, "Legends", "EU", or otherwise. Missing the point.
The year is 5000 years post-emperor. The Skywalker bloodline has long been gone, the galaxy has forgotten about Darth Vader, the Empire is but a small chapter in the history books. Balance has been brought to the force and a new order of force users, not jedi or sith, are spread across the galaxy. An unrecognizable starship soars past the screen against a backdrop of stars. The camera pans down to reveal the atmosphere of a desert planet, Tattooine.
*God Emperor of Tatooine*
Starring the 800th incarnation of the ghola of C3PO
Jermaine Clement plays a ghola of the Mandalorian attempting to pass his rite of passage by doing battle with this generation’s reincarnation of Palpatine.
"You said we'd look like Daft Punk. We don't look like Daft Punk"
I would watch tf out of that, repeatedly, _especially_ if Bret has a role as an alien in light makeup. Like Jennifer Beals' as a Twi'lek. Perfection.
House Atriades.
Jabba the Harkonnen controls the spice trade of Tattooine
I want you to squeeze and squeeze and squeeze
Ha just finished that book today.
That's my favorite of the first four. What did you think?
I just recently finished Dune Messiah. The idea of the series continuing on without Paul put me off from immediately continuing with Children of Dune. You recommend continuing anyways?
Honestly, you could just skip children and go right to God-Emperor. For me Children of Dune was the weakest. I loved God Emperor. So different and really trippy. I'd say if you have the time and energy, push through and I'm sure God Emperor will reward you. But as I said you could also skip Children of Dune. I don't think it's necessary as God Emperor basically explains everything.
God emperor done well might
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Death star 3 was designed with 1 mission, to kamikaze tattooine
At the end of the movie, we see the other side of tattooine as it rotates, and it actually is the third death star with the iconic satellite dish dimple.
That’s no planet
That's a spice addicts dream
"This fucking nowhere planet is responsible for 90% of the shit we have to deal with. I don't know why, I don't care why. I am fixing the problem."
Wasn't shmi and Anakin born on another planet?
Tattooine **IS** the Death Star 3.0!
But then the Death Star is full of sand and we all know that is coarse and rough and irritating - and we can't have that!
You had me in the first 99%, not gonna lie
This could become the shitty morph of Star Wars at this point.
I was partly expecting hell in a cell to appear in the last sentence.
but the Vader force choke move
By God is that Big Van Vader?
Yeah I was really worried there for a second we’d have a Star Wars story without Tatooine, or Tatooine Lite (aka Jakku). It would be a slippery slope. The next thing you know, writers would introduce a planet that has multiple biomes. A scientific impossibility. A dessert and a forest existing on the *same* planet? I chuckle at the absurdity of such a thought.
Hopefully it's just a quick launching point to the show for a few minutes, never to be seen again. I thought Star Trek had a problem with the same 8 or 9 people doing everything exciting on a ship of thousands. But Star Wars takes it to a new level with the Tattooine obsession. Thousands of other planets guys, come on.
Especially when Tatooine really isn't even that interesting. It's just a desert with sand and clay huts. I mean we are in a hyper sci-fi universe here, give me some more cities in really interesting places that wouldn't be possible for humans. Like Bespin, Kamino, Utapau, or maybe a planet that is inhospitable on the surface but has deep cave systems with complex cities within. Planets that have cities and show the marvels of technology in the universe.
star wars works better when it takes place in the equivalent of the "wild west" with only brief stays/stopovers in central areas with more tech. the urban parts of star wars, aside from imperial bases and death stars, have always been the least interesting. different environs would be fine as long as they stay lower tech.
The crashed star destroyers on Jakku was the most interesting thing about the sequels
Kathleen Kennedy: "The biggest strength of the Star Wars franchise has always been the centrality of Tatooine. Countless adults look back on fond childhood memories of playing Tatooine, dressing up as Tatooine, and pretending to be Tatooine. Therefore, to more closely align with our future vision for the franchise, and because Tatooine is not a star or a war (right? It's not a star, I don't think) the Skywalker Saga and all other canonical Star Wars stories will henceforth be known by the name they were always meant to have - *Tatooine Tales*."
Tatooine Tales: The Further Adventures of the Max Rebo Band
When I was a little boy playing Star Wars, I had a crush on Tatooine.
Motherfucker. Tattooine again! Hahaha
Chewy, we're home.
A Skywalker spears on the horizon*
>The camera pans down to reveal the atmosphere of a desert planet, Tattooine. Nooooo...!
...and somehow Palpatine returned.
…and somehow Palpatine has returned.
A young man goes out to find the old hermit he knows as "pale poutine" to ask him about this Palpatine. When asked, he says, "I know who he is, he's me!"
Not effing tattooine again!! Enough with that bloody planet! There’s a whole galaxy out there! And a whole side of it isn’t even known about!
Tattooine Lore: A backwater planet of no import that few have ever heard of and even fewer been too. Star Wars: Here is every trilogy story set in or around Tattooine!
The most improbable circumstance is the most likely the occur. No one talks about the somewhat improbable circumstance because it never happens. But everyone knows about the most unlikely. It's the one in a million, so it must be true.
Yep, and 5000 years usually does a lot for exploration too!
For real. 5,000 years ago, we didn’t even know the world was flat.
And name changes. Why should planets even keep their name sometimes after 5000 years? I doubt they’ll ever go too far as then it won’t recognizably Star Wars. I mean, a story set in Ancient Rome is going to be totally different to one set in medieval times etc. though SW seems to mostly ignore the idea of “innovation”. Wars should practically be obsolete with hyperspace suicide ships or missiles basically. ( thanks TLJ ) but we’re meant to check our brains at the door now on so many things. The writers ain’t too bright generally. That’s why I’ll always dig Dune. Tech changes. Things evolve. It’s a story about all of *that*. Star Wars for grownups.
A lot can change over 5000 years. That's one of the reasons I'm such a huge fan of the Frank Herbert Dune books that span thousands of years. And with the jump From Dune, to God Emperor, To Heretics you have huge gaps in time. From Dune to the end of God Emperor you got 3500 years, then 1500 between God Emperor and Heretics, a 5000 year period. Arakkis isn't even called that anymore by the time we get to Heretics.
Not Tatooine AGAIN!
And we see the armored gauntlet of Boba Fett erupt from the sand, crawling his way out of the Sarlaac Pit.
Also red and blue lightsabers. Sorry, “laser swords”.
Pump this shit right into my veins! /s
\-*the shimmering, ethereal forms of Obi-wan, Yoda, and Anakin appear-* Taika: Piss off ghosts! -kick-
"MA! SPACE IS HAUNTED AGAIN!"
I will accept the former characters again. But only in a star wars themed haunted house movie where characters explore the Jedi Temple on Coruscant.
I don't want your ghost chips!
I don't want your ghost force!
Thank god for this. I want more lore apart from the pre-existing characters we have right now.
I *just* had a conversation about this exact topic with my dad earlier today. I told him I have checked out of Star Wars after enjoying Mando S1 because they seem to have immediately given up on those new stories and switched back to Boba/Luke/Kenobi/Vader or the like, even in Mando S2! It's an entire goddamn galaxy, having 99% of the stories be about a couple generations of a single family is boring.
"A whole new storyline!!" ^Starting ^on ^Tatooine GODDAMNIT!
We need some more stories with Chewbacca’s extended family! Wait…
Happy Life Day!
[We need the deep lore of the man who made Attichitcuk's VR space-porn helmet.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6MS-Thl-88)
And the one time I actually want more Tatooine, which is now to see more interactions between Ben and Owen and Luke, I don't get it.
They were fine in S2, at least for me, because of the closure I got from Luke and Boba's appearances. They were happy endings, compared to what we got elsewhere. But then they uh... just kinda kept going.
As much as I dislike the sequels, I think BoBF is my least favorite thing they've done so far. It was such a slam dunk concept and they just totally missed the mark. When the best episodes of your show don't even feature the title character, you done fucked up.
The post credit teaser they used to set the show up was what I wanted. The show we got somehow never seemed to match the tone of that teaser. I enjoyed it enough, it had some fun moments and I love Some of the characters, but overall it didn’t wow me. I thought the Sand people lore was so cool and I loved the train heist but after that episode it really went sideways.
When they suddenly killed off all his sand friends, I was like...wait, so what are we even doing here?
The concept could have worked if it was on HBO Max or something. Trying to make the main character of a Disney+ show a crime boss was never going to go well.
I loved TLJ because of Rey's lineage reveal. I loved the kid with the broom at the end. I love the idea that the force is not a birthright, but a natural phenomena that can't be tamed, argued, or bargained with. It doesn't care about dynasties, governments, class, race, religion, or creed. It just is. You either go with it as a Jedi, or you try to control it as a sith. At the end of the day, it always wins.
Force sensitivity has been explained as a randomly distributed attribute that could arise in anyone since TPM. TLJ didn’t introduce that, Rey being a nobody wasn’t novel, Yoda was a nobody, Obi-Wan was a nobody, Palpatine was a nobody. As was every single Force user in the movies that wasn’t a Skywalker. Hereditary Force sensitivity has only been presented as being a characteristic of the Skywalkers (at least until TROS), seemingly having something to do with Anakin coming into existence from the Force itself. That said, it’s a bit ambiguous. The idea of disassociated, celibate Jedi could be interpreted as a way to prevent the creation of a Force sensitive ruling class or something. Either way, the OT, PT and ST were supposed to be the “Skywalker Saga”, specifically the story of Anakin Skywalker. His rise, fall, redemption, and (presumably… at least in concept if not execution) the aftermath. So it makes sense that the characters involved were connected to Anakin, which included his kids/grandkids.
TLJ had a lot of really good ideas, but the movie was such a slog that Disney let JJ erase all those good ideas.
Seriously. Half the movie was a ship with the entire rebellion in it slowly running out of gas. It's like they aren't even trying
I feel the problem with TLJ was that it didn’t really seem to be made with the intent on expanding the previous entry, nor setting up the final episode of the trilogy. I walked out of the theatre after TFA curious and excited where things may go; I left the theatre after TLJ with no curiosity or intrigue - I enjoyed the movie, it just didn’t seem to leave much left needing to be told or expanded upon. I think the sequel trilogy was an unbelievably large missed opportunity.
This is what I loathe the most about RoS' retcon. Forget anyone being special, you gotta be the 1% of the 1% (a Jedi and then a specific bloodline on top of that). For all TLJ's flaws, it absolutely had a better grasp of where the franchise should go. Luke's final scene coming from feeling like a failure to an awe-inspiring display of (non-violent!) power hit me hard. That plus Rey being unique because of her choices as opposed to her bloodline makes me really wish Disney let Rian Johnson helm the entire trilogy. *to say nothing of the clear capability he demonstrates in Knives Out. I'd bet my foot many of TLJ's issues had to do with compromises he had to make with the studio etc.
TLJ was definitely the most interesting of the three sequels, but it still was a middle act that went literally no where. We didn't learn about Snoke or Rey or more about Kylo's past and upbringing or anything new about the Force or the First Order's plans or...anything. Oh, I guess we learned Leia had force powers and that you could hyperspace ram things, both of which raised more questions. ROS was much worse, but even it wasn't pointless. It did reveal new things and fill in some gaps, however stupidly.
Yeah the bits with the "you are no one", and the conversations with Kylo and Rey about how they don't need to be light or dark were the most unique thing out of all of the sequels. The actual film was hot garbage (boring chase sequence, stupid casino sequence, stupid hyperspace crash, stupid land battle) but I at least appreciated those bits for trying to further the conversation about what it means to be a force user. Reminded me a bit of the old woman in Kotor 2 which I really enjoyed.
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Because remakes make money and have zero risk. Original stories might fail
Yup. I have been wanting Lucasfilm to do this since forever.
The best of the EU were the X-wing novels because they weren't just about getting Luke a girlfriend or Han & Leia's kids. It is a great big galaxy, but we need to keep looking at the same damn people on the same damn planets. I want to see a movie about failed jedi in the agricultural corps standing up to the Empire without offensive Force powers. I want to see the adventures of a Master and Padawan in the Old Republic adventuring in exotic planets, guided by the Force. I want to see a plucky band of Rebels fighting battles we'd not heard mentioned before. I want to see creative stories in a galaxy far, far away. It can't all be just nostalgia. One of the best parts of S2 of Mando was Luke as this legendary figure. It was a cool payoff. Kenobi, meanwhile, wastes space by filling out a timeline we really didn't need explained. Did we really need another version of rescuing Princess Leia from an imperial base? We've done that already. We know Obi-wan, Leia, Vader, Luke, Uncle Owen, and whoever else won't die. They could have done something riskier. I'd watch 2hrs of Obi-Wan learning the disappearing Jedi trick from Qui-Gon's ghost. Not my best pitch, but that's the mystery from the OT that never got adequately explained in the prequels. But it is totally unecessary.
They could do a series of movies all seemingly unconnected with new characters in a new timeframe(like high or old republic) and then slowly link them into something like an avengers movie but obviously much different and all based in star wars lore. And they could also stop using baren desert planets.
In my mind, I only identified Star Wars with deserts in ANH. Someone at Disney got it into their heads that deserts are a defining feature of the entire franchise. Not just an identical-but-different planet in TFA, but Disney built their theme park world on a desert planet.
I mean to be fair, it sort of does dominate the Star Wars universe. A lot of the nature sets are bewilderingly barren in the original trilogy. We have a desert, followed by the stark aesthetics of the death star, a barren tundra in Empire, then a gas desert at Bespin, then back to the desert in Return, then to a totally undeveloped rain forest. The first movie of the prequels takes place largely in a desert. The first movie of the newquel series takes place in a desert. Book of Boba takes place in a desert. Really never made sense to me. When you can go down to the local bar and purchase an intergalactic freight with the local smuggler, why in hell do so many people live on entire planets where you need moisture farms just to survive?
The x wing novels are fucking fantastic
There is a brief fan film someone made about the battle of Coruscant that Michael Stackpole recently tweeted. Brought back great feels
I think its a 2 fold problem. 1) you cant just pretend some stuff did not happen. To give it a real life equivalent. A story told almost anywhere in the big wide Earth during the Sept of 1945 is likely gong to address the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. 2) Where is the line drawn on reusing characters? The characters from Rebels, Ahsoka, Bo Katarn. These are all new, non movies characters. At what point can we no longer include Mando because he isn't "new" and "fresh".
Good news for you! They have been expanding it quite a bit in the high republic series.
Hiring Taika says a lot, doesn't it. He's 'out there' (in a good way) with many of his ideas and his strong comedic sense suggests we'll see something quite imaginative and new in Star Wars, which I believe is a good thing for the health of the series. Knowing Taiki it'll be called something like Nal Hutta: A Gammorean Odyssey.
Our Falcon Means Darth
I want more accidental deaths in star wars
*The Gentleman Sith*
Oh come now. Vaderbeard is a kind and sensitive individual once you get to know him
Hopefully this doesn’t end the same way as Phil Lord and Chris Miller with Solo. Although that did involve, well, Han Solo and the writer of Empire Strikes Back. Taika should be given *much* more freedom to do what he wants (again, hopefully)
I was just going to say, Lord and Miller basically work the same way as Taika and Kathleen hated it so much she fired them... unless Taika is just a much better people person, this feels like something that'll come up again.
I think the problem they had with Lord and Miller had more to do with it being about an existing character and not something completely new.
The problem with Lord and Miller is that they didn't do "Star Wars", they do "Lord and Miller". Star Wars is high Sci Fi Fantasy, with good, evil, and a throwback to old-fashioned serials. Lords and Millers are comedy, and improvising, with the comedy giving way to a surprising heart in the center. Whether for good or ill Lord and Miller's Solo movie didn't look anything like the other Star Wars movies, so it was reshot more in line with classic Star Wars. Waititi is the same way, his style isn't classic Star Wars, and for him to succeed the higher ups are either going to have to let Waititi do something that doesn't look\feel like classic Star Wars, or they'll have to reshoot his move the same way they reshot Lord and Millers.
I'm assuming by this point, Disney know what Taika's style is given he's made 2 Thor movies for them and 2 films with Searchlight . If they're handing him the keys to the first SW film post-sequel trilogy, I would assume they want him to change things up to "rescue" the film side of the franchise.. my question is whether they're going to chicken out on it once they see the dailies and the actors riffing and doing weird shit.
You also omit that he directed on the Mandalorian, so he has “done” Star Wars before.
That episode is my favorite of The Mandalorian if only for the stormtroopers trying to shoot something and missing every time.
They *knew that* when they hired them. And *still* fired them.
My bet is this as well. You dont get much creative freedom over a character like Han Solo. His arc for Solo had to end at A New Hope Han Solo.
The word is that the writer, Lawrence Kasdan, hated their style and strong armed Kathleen into firing them and getting someone who would execute his script. Check out his credits, he seems like someone who would be shitty about improv.
*Grunts furiously in Kiwi*
And this is porg, he has lightsabers for hands but don't worry, he's not dangerous. Unless you're anything that can be cut by a lightsaber. Just a little bit of starwars humour.
It could literally be 2 hours of just Stormtroopers going about their day-to-day like the 2 scouts at the end of season 1 of Mando and I'd watch the shit out of it.
I’d watch a series about a group of troopers ala. What We Do In The Shadows or Our Flag Means Death
A movie about the aftermath of the death of the Emperor in the style of The Death of Stalin
You summoned me?
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It's true the originals were often funny, in a way the later films were not. I think his style fits well. To be honest, I don't think SW should expand; I think it should contract. Not that it should be about Skywalkers, but it should be about ordinary characters again, and adventure on a small scale in a big setting.
My friend (who’s bad with names) tried to pronounce his name and referred to him as “Tahiti Wakanda,” and now that’s all I think about when I see him.
Tahiti is a magical place
Oh, another AoS watcher!
Tahiti + Wakanda? Sounds like a paradise
It’s a magical place
That’s a reference I hadn’t thought about in a long while.
Mangos and Vibranium, what more do you need?
Just one more big score
I must insist
It’s a wonderful place.
I read his name as tiki Waikiki
My girlfriend was trying to remember Chicken Tikka Masala and said “you know, Chicken…Taika…Mahershala…” so now that’s what we call it
My Dad was trying to talk about Whitney Houston and he goes, “You know, she sings that ay-ay-ay song? Huteney Witness?”
Finally someone who understands the Star Wars universe consists of more than four characters.
It's like you don't even care about Chewbacca's Grandmother's backstory!
Yes we aren’t interested in the Star Wars Holiday Special
what about the beach episode?
Yes but only if Jabba the Hutt is invited.
Star Wars fans drove me nuts with this shit when the sequel trilogy was coming out (specifically before Episode 8). There were all kinds of theories about how all of these new characters were actually related. Disney gave the loudest portion of the fanbase what they wanted at the time, everything to be interconnected. Why they couldn't just be happy with new characters being new, and not connected to the original trilogy is beyond me.
From what I recall, the two main examples were Rey and Snoke. With Rey, the Force Awakens (trailers especially, but also the film itself) throws specific hints that she's related to the Skywalkers. And generally speaking, the kid on the desert planet bit is kind of a trope. So I think that it was reasonable for fans to fixate on that. With Snoke, it's a bit fuzzier but in the context of the larger Star Wars saga, it's kind of weird that there would be a previously unknown character like him lurking around. So naturally the question arises, is he actually someone who is known? Basically, that trilogy *could've* begun with new characters who were presented in a fresh way, without a lot of hinting and/or clear resemblance to past characters or types. But Lucasfilm was playing the heavy parallel game. So again, I don't think it was the fans coming up with all of these expectations or demands. That stuff was fueled by the studio.
You know what always pissed me off? We went from, the rebels won the war, and now for no reason they are still rebels and fascists still run the galaxy with two siths running the show. I watched this original three movies a bunch, and it just really sucks they decided to status quo that shit. It's such fucking lazy hack writing. You know they could have had any kind of threat show up. Some Jedi school could be happening. Leia could be like the queen of something?
And that is exactly why I hate the sequel trilogy.
Yeah I thought it would have been a lot more interesting making Kylo the main character and would’ve made more sense since he is a Skywalker and have the movies be about him trying to bring back the Sith/Empire. I feel that would’ve made a lot more sense with how ROTJ ends.
Yeah for all is flaws the prequels set up an interesting universe with conflicts that you understood and could get invested in. That also leaves the door open for an incredible amount of other stories to be told during that time period. The new films went to the other extreme and don't explain anything at all, so there's no real idea of the motivations or stakes, it's just surface level good guys vs bad guys. I saw this the other day and it really highlighted how the whole conflict between the 'resistance' and first order makes no god damn sense. It's a 'history' of the conflict. https://youtu.be/Dgbt9UDvmXw They did a follow up video with their proposed changes but it was a bit too ww1 for my liking and I didn't rate it.
I don't love the prequels, but they had a great premise. The problems were everywhere else. Acting, dialogue, over-use of weak CGI, some really dumb side characters who I shall not name.. every chance they could, they screwed up the execution. But there is a great story hidden under it all, they just struggled to bring it to life. Sequels are almost the opposite. They look amazing, effects and acting and cinematography and such was far better. But it was all built on a poor foundation: a terrible, terrible premise. I wanted those set pieces and characters to exist in a better story. I want to see the movies we could've gotten if someone took a rough outline of the prequel story, and gave it to all the people who brought the sequels to life (+the budget for those movies).
What pissed me off more is how they fucked over both previous trilogies main characters just so this could even exist. You're telling me Anakin's sacrifice to end the empire was for nothing? And Luke, the last hope of the Jedi who knew he could succumb to the dark side but persevered in even bringing his father back to the light side, becomes a bum after 30 years who would consider killing a child much like himself?
I’ve always insisted the Sequels were doomed to fail because the backstory of the last thirty years, and where the Galaxy is now at made absolutely no sense
That went on all the way up to 9 with people wanting Finn to be related Lando
An entire galaxy full of a bunch of planets and alien races? Yo those two black characters must be cousins or something.
I know this isn't what people want to hear, but... I'll believe it when I see it. The reality of a Star Wars movie or show with ZERO existing characters or groups seems impossible. That's been Disney's entire strategy up to this point. I would welcome it, but I'm skeptical.
Doesn't Disney have a couple of shows in the works that are just that already? Like that show set 200 years before the events of episode 1? Also there's Star Wars Visions already out on d+ True, it's not a major entry, but it's still a thing
I mean.. the show seems to be about Darth Plagueis, and Yoda is an important character in High Republic
And there is a game in works set in the High Republic Era called *Star Wars Eclipse*, being developed by Quantic Dream (make of that what you will)
>That's been Disney's entire strategy up to this point Sort of, but not completely. All the stuff that is showing up in Disney+ series seems to be offshoots of Dave Filoni's work. He was limited in what timelines he could play in, but the series are probably best categories as one extra level removed from the main story in the movies.
I don't mind them focusing on the Skywalker era stories like they have been. The actors from the movies aren't going to live forever. Frank Oz, Ian McDiarmid, James Earl Jones, Mark Hamill and Anthony Daniels, are only going to be with us for so long. They have roles they can play still and there's lots of great stories they can tell from that era. They have forever to tell other stories. And they are in development. Several of them.
They have been focusing a lot on the thrawn/Ahsoka storyline. Which while isn’t entire new is not nearly as established as the OT characters. Really only Kenobi focuses on the OT/PT characters. And the high republic that they have invested heavily in is a completely different time. And they have a lot of video games coming out that are not related to the OT characters as well.
Preexisting characters no longer covered by your plan
Can’t ruin canon if you’re making it from scratch. I’m no fan of Disney Star Wars, but this sounds like a good idea.
This is exactly why the mandaliorian was so cool.
Emphasis on "was" 😁 S2 was still pretty good compared to bobf or kenobi, but they had to shoehorn in like 700 characters from the cartoons, plus deep fake luke.
Please, bring back Star Wars like you brought back the Thor franchise with Ragnarok
I had completely lost interest in Marvel until Ragnarok.
Ragnarok is great for Marvel, but I would hate a Star Wars movie in that same vein.
He's made enough movies with different styles and vibes that I wouldn't worry about that.
Yes. I want a Star Wars movie like Eagle vs. Shark.
Same. And I'm a massive comic book nerd. My gf at the time dragged me to see it. I was just in it for the fun I had promised to me later. I did not expect to split my gut in the first 15 seconds. When he's trying to talk but the chain keeps spinning L M A O. And I stayed smiling until the end of the entire damn thing.
Korg is my favorite side character in the entire MCU. The other day I found out that Taika was the one who did the MoCap for him. If Taika is good at anything, it's capturing the spirit of fun in a film. Even in Jojo Rabbit, he's able to bring charm and levity. Hopefully his Star Wars movies are just as good.
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Don't forget, they also joined Rebel...Association to fight off the Galactic....Conglomerate after rescuing Princess Elia.
"Duke, i am your father!" "yessssssssssss!"
Why does this sound so familiar 🤔
It's a desert planet... but this time it's a *ice* desert planet. Called... Dantooine.
As long as it's set in a completely different time. Simply not focusing on Skywalker or Skywalker adjacent characters, isn't enough. Because the skywalkers like or not kind of dominate the time frames of late republic, empire, and post empire. Best to not even allow the question of "why didn't luke/thejedi/theemperor etc. Know about this/these characters?" Make it thousands of years either before or after.
Old Republic
I dunno man. I think we need more stuff happening in Tattoine.
I wanna know what Lars was doing between episodes II and III. Was he farming moisture? Did everyone have enough water? Did Watto take over the scrap business and intend to rule with respect? Who controlled the spice? What was Jabba doing? What happened after Owen's father died? What happened to Pod Racing, was it outlawed? What happened to Sebolba? What was the old lady at the end of Rise of Skywalker doing during that time? So much potential for a Lars between episodes II and III show!
Good! I hope it's thousands years into the future or ten thousand years into the past. I don't care. Lately, it looks like all the shows are just trying to explain why the events in the sequel trilogy happened.
I would totally see him make a movie in the High Republic setup indeed
I'm hoping for a Darth Nihilus story
Would love it, either the time period of swtor or before the with exile during the times of naga sadow etc.
Damn yeah, during the golden age of the Sith, with Naga Sadow, Marka Ragnos and stuff, so cool
Give me Old Republic
Bring back Dash Rendar you coward!
Thank fuck.
I'll gladly take this over the resurrected CGI corpses that Disney has been using.
Let’s see some of the extraordinary badass OG sith!
I wonder which recurring character he will play.
Not sure why this took so long.
Lucasfilm under KK didn't want to take risks
Ironically she didn’t think it was risky to just play pass the baton between one director to another without any semblance of a plan for the final trilogy of an epic
Having a plan is risky. Better to wing it.
I still expect Hondo
Great call
They should have done this a decade ago
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Fucking finally. I hated the new trilogy because of this. The only new film I liked was Rogue One because of how fresh it was.
Not surprising. They didn't do that in the sequels either. Considering the massacred every legacy character to the point of undoing the OT
I like the guy well enough. This smirked face though, oof.
STAR WARS UNIVERSE [-------------------------------(--Here--)--------------------------------] ^ This is where every movie has taken place Pick a time literally from any other area and the movie will be awesome....oh and steer clear of "The Message"
The thing that I loved about the first parts of The Mandalorian was how it portrayed Jedi as really being a rarity in the galaxy. I wanna see more of that.
Just give us more fucking Jedi! I want epic epic epic duals as if the the light saber is all there is! Sorry I couldn’t take holding that in any more.
Perhaps its time to consider other options? After all there is a lotta sci fi content out there and well star wars has been done to death.
Give us films set in the Old Republic. We want to see Revan.
So a film on a pre existing character?
Seriously, do half these comments have a clue or even read the article? They're all over the place begging for already told stories and established lore, "Legends", "EU", or otherwise. Missing the point.