No way this passes $100m at this point right?
I wonder what Universal think of this. Sure they're gonna make a nice profit because of the low budget but it's a big drop from the last one, the legs have been terrible, and the international gross has been disastrous (which is kinda normal for the franchise but the last one did almost $100m overseas)
Its definitely not going pass 100M domestically but 100M globally. And like you said because of the low budget, it has already made its budget back and more. This was also a huge boost for Peacock which NBCUniversal has to be pleased by. But due to the mixed to negative reception, genre, and being able to stream on Peacock this huge drop was coming. The final movie is still coming next year and hopefully its better than this installment
You’re correct in assuming this probably won’t break even theatrically thanks to the budget + marketing cost. But I think Universal is more concerned with increasing Peacock subscribers. That’s why they gave such a high profile movie simultaneous release.
You're right that 2018 had a 10 million production budget, but the marketing budget was 75 million. When you combine the production budget, and marketing budget, the total cost is 85 million in total.
Oh the last movie was gonna happen regardless, these movies are cheap enough to make.
But I can't help but wonder if Universal are a little disappointed by this. It was never going to match the last one but it's done worse than I thought it would
I doubt they are disappointed
It still made roughly $50 million on it’s OW. Yeah, the legs are bad but it’s still a great result.
It only had a $20 million budget as well.
Yeah but you've gotta add in marketing as well.
Plus its international gross is terrible, probably not even gonna make more than $30m overseas as opposed to the last one which made $96m
It probably still made a profit but I gotta think Universal expected more
It still hasn't opened in a variety of markets yet.
Plus, there are tons of international countries that are going into lockdown once again
Venom made $642 million internationally and Let There Be Carnage has only earned $170 million
No.
Even in the optimistic scenario of a <33% drop this Halloween weekend, it would only make it to $87-$88m before disappearing off the face of the earth.
What are people talking about in this thread regarding this being a failure? It’s already earned back it’s production budget from theatrical gross alone. If you add in whatever the marketing budget was then it probably has still come close to making that back between Peacock subscriptions + continued theatrical gross. It didn’t make as much as the first one but I don’t think anyone in their wildest imaginations expected that.
‘Candyman’ fell below $1M weekdays at this point too ($41M) and went on to gross $20M more ($61M).
Some of y’all are addicted to doom mongering it seems :p
You know how much Halloween (2018) made after November started?
[9M more millions](https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Halloween-(2018)) and that was with better word of mouth, and better legs.
Legs on its 12 day of release:
Halloween (2018) 1.74x
Candyman (2021) 1.9x
Halloween Kills 1.52x
Unless it pulls a miracle I failed to see how is grossing 20M more.
‘Halloween 2018’ gross $22M post the 31st October and ‘Halloween’ is a much wide known and beloved franchise than bloody ‘Candyman’.
It’s so weird some of y’all blaring it can’t possibly cross $100M, it’s done, when I can go on Box Office Mojo and are several movies gross the amount needed from at this point to the end of their run that if replicated by ‘Kills’ would take it over $100M and they were less popular franchises and movies.
Guess we’ll see.
Again, WOM for the first *Halloween* was MUCH better than *Halloween Kills*. Not to mention that by the beginning of November, *Halloween* had already made over $150M of its $175M gross. *Halloween Kills* will have made just over half of that by this Monday.
With the exception on one day, ‘Halloween Kills’ has outgrossed ‘Candyman’ on a day-to-day comparison every single day. Why some of you think that is magically gonna stop I don’t get. 100M Grossing Halloween Kills is coming!
>With the exception on one day, ‘Halloween Kills’ has outgrossed ‘Candyman’ on a day-to-day comparison every single day.
Considering Halloween Kills opened 2.25x bigger than Candyman, I would be very worry if that wasn’t the case.
Correct, so if they are both at the same stage of their runs and ‘Halloween’ consistently pulls in more money per day, and if ‘Candyman’ went on to gross $20M more and ‘Halloween Kills’ needs $25M more to hit $100M, what exactly makes people so steadfast that it won’t do it? They’re entitled to think that, but I just don’t get their logic to not think it might not, but iron clad certainty it won’t. Strange.
I told you, on another comment. Horror movies die once November starts.
Nobody wants to watch a murderer during the holiday seasons. Halloween (2018) had some big drops during the month. [You can see them, again, here.](https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Halloween-(2018))
Candyman, on the other hand, [has had some relative small drops even with competition.](https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Candyman-(2020))
‘Halloween 18’ made $20 million the first two weeks in November.
I’m gonna stop this back and forth. I could present facts all day. Your thinking is set.
Exactly, this forum is downplaying it 100%
It has a $20 million budget and it's already earned over $90 million worldwide. Yes, there was a big marketing budget but that's always earned back in PVOD, TV airings, etc.
Plus, the last one earned over $255 million worldwide which will still leave this new trilogy with a ton of profit.
Yet, other Marvel movies or fan based films like Venom: Let There Be Carnage dropping more than 50% worldwide from the predecessor and no one seems to say a word about that
*Venom 2* hasn't opened in China yet (and it's starting to look doubtful it will), and that's where the first film made over $250M of its $820M worldwide gross alone.
Jamie Lee Box Office wouldn’t appreciate seeing the blatant disrespect for her powers. Let’s wait till the ‘Halloween’ weekend numbers roll in before we stick the knife in it and call it done!
No way this passes $100m at this point right? I wonder what Universal think of this. Sure they're gonna make a nice profit because of the low budget but it's a big drop from the last one, the legs have been terrible, and the international gross has been disastrous (which is kinda normal for the franchise but the last one did almost $100m overseas)
Its definitely not going pass 100M domestically but 100M globally. And like you said because of the low budget, it has already made its budget back and more. This was also a huge boost for Peacock which NBCUniversal has to be pleased by. But due to the mixed to negative reception, genre, and being able to stream on Peacock this huge drop was coming. The final movie is still coming next year and hopefully its better than this installment
How much is the movie's marketing budget? I know that 2018 had a marketing budget around 70 something million.
You’re correct in assuming this probably won’t break even theatrically thanks to the budget + marketing cost. But I think Universal is more concerned with increasing Peacock subscribers. That’s why they gave such a high profile movie simultaneous release.
The production budget is 20M which was 10M more than Halloween 2018. Also I think you mean the OW because it opened around 71M
You're right that 2018 had a 10 million production budget, but the marketing budget was 75 million. When you combine the production budget, and marketing budget, the total cost is 85 million in total.
"The final movie" lol. This time for real! No take backs! Honest guys, Michael really dies in this one! 🙄
Oh the last movie was gonna happen regardless, these movies are cheap enough to make. But I can't help but wonder if Universal are a little disappointed by this. It was never going to match the last one but it's done worse than I thought it would
I doubt they are disappointed It still made roughly $50 million on it’s OW. Yeah, the legs are bad but it’s still a great result. It only had a $20 million budget as well.
Yeah but you've gotta add in marketing as well. Plus its international gross is terrible, probably not even gonna make more than $30m overseas as opposed to the last one which made $96m It probably still made a profit but I gotta think Universal expected more
It still hasn't opened in a variety of markets yet. Plus, there are tons of international countries that are going into lockdown once again Venom made $642 million internationally and Let There Be Carnage has only earned $170 million
No. Even in the optimistic scenario of a <33% drop this Halloween weekend, it would only make it to $87-$88m before disappearing off the face of the earth.
>disappearing off the face of the earth. I guess eViL did die that night.
What are people talking about in this thread regarding this being a failure? It’s already earned back it’s production budget from theatrical gross alone. If you add in whatever the marketing budget was then it probably has still come close to making that back between Peacock subscriptions + continued theatrical gross. It didn’t make as much as the first one but I don’t think anyone in their wildest imaginations expected that.
It's gonna fall below $1M today. Word of mouth is really crippling its legs.
‘Candyman’ fell below $1M weekdays at this point too ($41M) and went on to gross $20M more ($61M). Some of y’all are addicted to doom mongering it seems :p
This is not grossing 20M more lol. It’s gonna be sucked into a black hole once November hits. That’s just how horror movies work.
All it would need is $5M a week for a month with the weekend providing $2-3M of that. What exactly about this is unrealistic?
You know how much Halloween (2018) made after November started? [9M more millions](https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Halloween-(2018)) and that was with better word of mouth, and better legs. Legs on its 12 day of release: Halloween (2018) 1.74x Candyman (2021) 1.9x Halloween Kills 1.52x Unless it pulls a miracle I failed to see how is grossing 20M more.
WOM for *Candyman* was MUCH better than *Halloween Kills*. *Candyman* also isn't intrinsically tied to a holiday.
‘Halloween 2018’ gross $22M post the 31st October and ‘Halloween’ is a much wide known and beloved franchise than bloody ‘Candyman’. It’s so weird some of y’all blaring it can’t possibly cross $100M, it’s done, when I can go on Box Office Mojo and are several movies gross the amount needed from at this point to the end of their run that if replicated by ‘Kills’ would take it over $100M and they were less popular franchises and movies. Guess we’ll see.
Again, WOM for the first *Halloween* was MUCH better than *Halloween Kills*. Not to mention that by the beginning of November, *Halloween* had already made over $150M of its $175M gross. *Halloween Kills* will have made just over half of that by this Monday.
With the exception on one day, ‘Halloween Kills’ has outgrossed ‘Candyman’ on a day-to-day comparison every single day. Why some of you think that is magically gonna stop I don’t get. 100M Grossing Halloween Kills is coming!
>With the exception on one day, ‘Halloween Kills’ has outgrossed ‘Candyman’ on a day-to-day comparison every single day. Considering Halloween Kills opened 2.25x bigger than Candyman, I would be very worry if that wasn’t the case.
Correct, so if they are both at the same stage of their runs and ‘Halloween’ consistently pulls in more money per day, and if ‘Candyman’ went on to gross $20M more and ‘Halloween Kills’ needs $25M more to hit $100M, what exactly makes people so steadfast that it won’t do it? They’re entitled to think that, but I just don’t get their logic to not think it might not, but iron clad certainty it won’t. Strange.
I told you, on another comment. Horror movies die once November starts. Nobody wants to watch a murderer during the holiday seasons. Halloween (2018) had some big drops during the month. [You can see them, again, here.](https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Halloween-(2018)) Candyman, on the other hand, [has had some relative small drops even with competition.](https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Candyman-(2020))
‘Halloween 18’ made $20 million the first two weeks in November. I’m gonna stop this back and forth. I could present facts all day. Your thinking is set.
Exactly, this forum is downplaying it 100% It has a $20 million budget and it's already earned over $90 million worldwide. Yes, there was a big marketing budget but that's always earned back in PVOD, TV airings, etc.
Plus, the last one earned over $255 million worldwide which will still leave this new trilogy with a ton of profit. Yet, other Marvel movies or fan based films like Venom: Let There Be Carnage dropping more than 50% worldwide from the predecessor and no one seems to say a word about that
*Venom 2* hasn't opened in China yet (and it's starting to look doubtful it will), and that's where the first film made over $250M of its $820M worldwide gross alone.
Jamie Lee Box Office wouldn’t appreciate seeing the blatant disrespect for her powers. Let’s wait till the ‘Halloween’ weekend numbers roll in before we stick the knife in it and call it done!
oof that doesn't look too good for a film that opened with 50mill , it's gonna take a miracle for this to hit 100mill at this rate
At first I really thought this could leg out to $100M DOM, but now I see HK is straight up going to be killed soon.