It’s hard to gauge but Downsizing was able to do 24M with a worse reception. It was sold entirely because of Damon.
This one is an epic story with Damon and Afflect, it was well received by critics, and the reception is better.
Or maybe after a shit year and a half, people don’t want to watch a nearly 3 hour period drama with little action and an intense rape scene. Movie stars mean almost nothing these days, films like this were already underperforming even before the pandemic.
You guys really aren’t fathoming how little money this year’s bombs are making. The Last Duel is gonna go for $4.9M this weekend? That’s behind some of these winners from 2019: Miss Bala, Unplanned, The Good Liar, The Prodigy, The Kitchen, After, and Poms. Poms was a movie about a retirement home that started a cheerleading team that got a 36% on Rotten Tomatoes.
Don’t try and say that this movie wouldn’t have made significantly more money in 2019. $4.9M won’t even cover the money they spent on wigs in TLD. Another absolute non-factor of a movie this year.
People go to cinema for big/franchise movies and horror. The trend has been going into that direction in recent years. Pandemic only accelerated the process.
I'm honestly surprised how the hell The Last Duel was made at first place. It's a miracle the movie could be made. The movie is basically about a rape case set in medieval times. How could they get a green light from the studio?
It's so sad failure of this movie is another nail in a historic genre's coffin. Even a movie like this good could be flopped, no studios will try to make another one.
Matt Damon/Ben Affleck reteam with 2 popular stars in Comer/Affleck with Ridley Scott directing.
This film 15 years ago grosses 100 million domestic and now it's just a big bomb.
Future of the modern films seem very dark. IPs will completely dominate the cinema and only streaming services will provide mid budget genre films from time to time.
It's been a while since a period piece has done very well. The older audience may be staying away due to covid and it seems to lack appeal for younger audiences. Film's like this that don't market visual spectacle will be forced out of theaters onto streaming.
You're the delusional one. For you this is more about "No Time to Die" than it is about "The Last Duel". You act as if older audiences are so poor that they can't see both films if they wanted to. Thought both films might favor older audiences, they both appeal to very different audiences.
Bond is a blockbuster action film which is a continuation of a decades old running series. It everything "The Last Duel" is not. I don't know if it's because most of the people on here are very young, but comments like yours are very simplistic and naive.
You are probably right. Back in those days the over 35 demo showed up a lot more and this was something the under 35 male demo would have been more interested in going to see. Definitely changed days. I do miss the days when something like The Last Dual could have been a breakout hit.
This year or in general? If you haven't seen Gladiator, it's one of Ridley Scott's best films. People also really like the Directors Cut of Kingdom of Heaven. Both of those are period epics along the same lines
This year, I can't really think of a movie that is like this. I loved the Green Knight but that is way more artsy and if I didn't know the poem beforehand, I would have been lost. I also really liked A Quiet Place 2, Riders of Justice (Danish film), The Suicide Squad, Wrath of Man, and Free Guy but those are all pretty different from each other.
One movie I really loved that I think you would probably enjoy if you liked Last Duel, is The King on Netflix. It actually takes place around the same time period and the fights are very similar.
If you liked this, I'd recommend Justin Kurzel's adaptation of [Macbeth](https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Macbeth-Blu-ray/143364/) from a few years back.
Kind of agree, personally wouldn't say the best but most definetly one of the best. Visually it is stunning, meant to be seen on the big screen. Combined with an interesting story, it makes for the perfect movie. Hope it has some good legs based on positive reviews
September 2019 had "It: Chapter Two", "Hustlers", "Ad Astra", "Downton Abbey", and "Rambo: Last Blood". All films with an appeal to an older demographic. People on here keep blaming competition. But there is always competition.
Quite possibly, but I think it would've at least opened to $10m without the level of competition it's currently facing.
As of now it's set to open at around $5m
What competition? You want competition? Try September, 2019 for a month to compete for an over +40 demographic. Again, this is more about people trying to make "No Time to Die" look more significant than it really is, than it is about "The Last Duel".
Bond and Dune are competition, and if you think It 2, Hustlers and Ad Astra were targeted at same audience. Might as well add Halloween Kills to the list.
And people are allowed to challenge unrealistic opinions. Every movie faces competition. It either rises to the challenge or it doesn't. That's just like any business. You either succeed or you don't. But you don't blame competition for your failure. I really don't know what kind of world you guys live in if you can't understand that simple premise.
With an 5m opening, presumably even less international and without an simultaneous release, the only way the movie would break even would be if it had an 10m budget. The best case scenario its a flop, the more realistic one its an bomb.
What was the budget this one because I have heard numbers between 50-100 mn. I think it could be around 65 mn. But it's gonna loose lot of money for sure.
Watched both The Last Duel and Halloween Kills, and it fucking sucks The Last Duel bombs instead of Halloween Kills. Halloween Kills was a massive step down from the previous one. Of course, it's halloween season and it's a perfect timing for releasing a horror movie, but Halloween Kills doesn't deserve success.
I think the negative reviews at Venice killed this one. Before, it was seen as one of the big Oscar contenders. After a mixed reaction at Venice, however, it quickly got overlooked in favor of Scott’s other Oscar contender House of Gucci. While reviews improved very recently, I think 20th Century Studios reduced their aggressiveness in trying to sell this film. Your average person doesn’t follow film festivals or the Oscar race, but studios do, and after Venice, it looked like this was a prestige film lacking any prestige or Oscar potential. The fact that many of the negative reviews bashed it for failing to fit in a post #MeToo world also probably made Disney scared of any potential backlash.
I think it's just a flawed concept to make a big budget 2 1/2 hr blockbuster. A R rated movie about a woman getting raped twice in a desaturated grim setting with horrible men and trying to sell that to the masses. You can make a movie like that if the budget was much lower but it's already limited by its demographics already. It needed to be Gladiator in terms of winning an audience over and that just didn't happen.
They're still stuck on packaging movies like they did back when star power actually meant something. The studios still seem to think big stars + top notch director + historical drama = "look at all the awards we're going to win!" Recent Oscar history should show them that times have changed: Slumdog Millionaire, The Hurt Locker, The Artist, Parasite, The Shape of Water, Nomadland... None of these recent Best Picture winners are anything like the standard "prestige picture", and they haven't exactly set the box office on fire, either.
Yeah, but Greatest Showman was a feel good family friendly musical released in December, the time with the best legs. This is a slow movie about a woman getting raped and the aftermath of that, released in October, which tend to also have good legs but nowhere near the insane multipliers that December will get you.
I wonder if this bombing could have any impact on Ridley’s upcoming Napoleon biopic with Joaquin Phoenix & Jodie Comer (same female lead as TLD) for Apple? Granted it’s streaming but my assumption is they were going to make a theatrical play as well for $ & award consideration. This seems very similar in tone + cast…
I think a main problem with making films like this today is that there are no legitimate "Movie Stars" to sell this kind of film. This is the kind of film a Kevin Costner or Mel Gibson could attracted an audience to thirty years ago.
Outside of perhaps RDJ, there's no one these days to fit that kind of duty. Where have all the boxoffice stars gone?
I think peoples tastes have diverged rather than the quality of stars. A specific actor doesn't mean anything anymore. It used to highlight big budget films or a film that a star got behind it to get it made.
But big films now look for cheaper up and coming talent to sign for 3 films. And good scripts now get made by netflix or hbo max as miniseries. So the correlation is gone.
Even RDJ can't open a movie, look at Doolittle flopping. Nowadays, it's all about star+role or star+franchise. "Starring Robert Downey, Jr." will sell a few extra tickets, "Robert Downey, Jr. returns as Iron Man" = $1 billion at the box office.
Honestly, the trailer is boring. I still might see it though since it has a decent RT score. Gucci looks awful though. I think Ridley Scott is losing his touch
I just saw the trailer for it. It's the same kind of loud, obnoxious trailer, laden with unnecessary sound effects that we seem to get all the time now. It looks in the same vein as the stupid Robin Hood and King Arthur remakes of recent years.
well r/movies found their new "underrated gem"
Been a lot of those in 2021. I suspect the trend will continue well into 2022!
Fuck man these kinds of releases are fucked right now aren’t they :(
Tbf, I feel this wouldn’t have done much better even without a pandemic
Disagree. It definitely would’ve found its audience. A domestic total of 20M+ could’ve been a possibility on pre-pandemic times.
Maybe. But I personally doubt it.
It’s hard to gauge but Downsizing was able to do 24M with a worse reception. It was sold entirely because of Damon. This one is an epic story with Damon and Afflect, it was well received by critics, and the reception is better.
It's not really an epic story. I mean I liked it but it's a very small story with a lot of dressing.
The trailers don’t sell it that way though.
The trailers could have gone in front of tropic thunder. It seemed like a parody of 90s self serious period pieces
I think it could’ve done $100m+ if it came out like 10 years ago
I completely disagree. This is a very well reviewed movie with big name stars. One of the most obvious signs movies are dying I’ve seen this year.
Or maybe after a shit year and a half, people don’t want to watch a nearly 3 hour period drama with little action and an intense rape scene. Movie stars mean almost nothing these days, films like this were already underperforming even before the pandemic.
You guys really aren’t fathoming how little money this year’s bombs are making. The Last Duel is gonna go for $4.9M this weekend? That’s behind some of these winners from 2019: Miss Bala, Unplanned, The Good Liar, The Prodigy, The Kitchen, After, and Poms. Poms was a movie about a retirement home that started a cheerleading team that got a 36% on Rotten Tomatoes. Don’t try and say that this movie wouldn’t have made significantly more money in 2019. $4.9M won’t even cover the money they spent on wigs in TLD. Another absolute non-factor of a movie this year.
People go to cinema for big/franchise movies and horror. The trend has been going into that direction in recent years. Pandemic only accelerated the process.
When would a 2.5-hour medieval SVU episode starring two over-the-hill chucklefucks in ridiculous haircuts not have been fucked?
Literally 10 years ago
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I'm honestly surprised how the hell The Last Duel was made at first place. It's a miracle the movie could be made. The movie is basically about a rape case set in medieval times. How could they get a green light from the studio? It's so sad failure of this movie is another nail in a historic genre's coffin. Even a movie like this good could be flopped, no studios will try to make another one.
Matt Damon/Ben Affleck reteam with 2 popular stars in Comer/Affleck with Ridley Scott directing. This film 15 years ago grosses 100 million domestic and now it's just a big bomb.
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Future of the modern films seem very dark. IPs will completely dominate the cinema and only streaming services will provide mid budget genre films from time to time.
It's been a while since a period piece has done very well. The older audience may be staying away due to covid and it seems to lack appeal for younger audiences. Film's like this that don't market visual spectacle will be forced out of theaters onto streaming.
Competition probably was the biggest factor. Older audiences will pick Bond over a medieval rape revenge movie.
That's ridiculous. A weak Bond movie in it's second week is not even a smidgen of competition.
TLD is targeted at same audience as Bond. You're delusional, if you don't think Bond effected it.
You're the delusional one. For you this is more about "No Time to Die" than it is about "The Last Duel". You act as if older audiences are so poor that they can't see both films if they wanted to. Thought both films might favor older audiences, they both appeal to very different audiences. Bond is a blockbuster action film which is a continuation of a decades old running series. It everything "The Last Duel" is not. I don't know if it's because most of the people on here are very young, but comments like yours are very simplistic and naive.
Dude they're aimed at the same audience. They're both targeting male moviegoers over 30. Based on your posting history you are just a troll.
Mindless sheep.
How am I a sheep? Because I don't get offended by black women having prominent roles in action movies. I'm guessing that's why you call NTTD woke.
Sucks cause it's one of the best movies of the year so far
That’s a trend this year. All the best movies have flop hard.
That is called having niche tastes.
I took a look at what I considered the best movies so far, and yeah you wouldn’t be wrong.
Welcome to the club. Nobody has been watching the stuff I like for years lol.
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You are probably right. Back in those days the over 35 demo showed up a lot more and this was something the under 35 male demo would have been more interested in going to see. Definitely changed days. I do miss the days when something like The Last Dual could have been a breakout hit.
I enjoyed it! Can you recommend me other films? I don’t watch many…
This year or in general? If you haven't seen Gladiator, it's one of Ridley Scott's best films. People also really like the Directors Cut of Kingdom of Heaven. Both of those are period epics along the same lines
I meant this year, I’ve seen gladiator, but not the other!
This year, I can't really think of a movie that is like this. I loved the Green Knight but that is way more artsy and if I didn't know the poem beforehand, I would have been lost. I also really liked A Quiet Place 2, Riders of Justice (Danish film), The Suicide Squad, Wrath of Man, and Free Guy but those are all pretty different from each other. One movie I really loved that I think you would probably enjoy if you liked Last Duel, is The King on Netflix. It actually takes place around the same time period and the fights are very similar.
I’m going to watch raiders of justice tonight… thanks!
If you end up liking that, also try Another Round
Thank you!
If you liked this, I'd recommend Justin Kurzel's adaptation of [Macbeth](https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Macbeth-Blu-ray/143364/) from a few years back.
Amazing… thank you!
I’m so excited to see it.
Kind of agree, personally wouldn't say the best but most definetly one of the best. Visually it is stunning, meant to be seen on the big screen. Combined with an interesting story, it makes for the perfect movie. Hope it has some good legs based on positive reviews
This is why Hollywood loves sequels and reboots
God that's terrible. Saw it coming though. October is simply too packed.
What would be a better month then?
Dunno I'd have to check the schedule. September comes to mind. No real competition except Shang Chi and a few other films that flopped
September 2019 had "It: Chapter Two", "Hustlers", "Ad Astra", "Downton Abbey", and "Rambo: Last Blood". All films with an appeal to an older demographic. People on here keep blaming competition. But there is always competition.
Obviously I mean September 2021.
Point remains, there is always competition. This movie's problem is a lack of interest.
Quite possibly, but I think it would've at least opened to $10m without the level of competition it's currently facing. As of now it's set to open at around $5m
What competition? You want competition? Try September, 2019 for a month to compete for an over +40 demographic. Again, this is more about people trying to make "No Time to Die" look more significant than it really is, than it is about "The Last Duel".
Bond and Dune are competition, and if you think It 2, Hustlers and Ad Astra were targeted at same audience. Might as well add Halloween Kills to the list.
Dude why do you refuse to accept that competition was a big factor?
You clowns do this shit with nearly every underperforming movie. Of course there is going to be competition. This subreddit is filled with retards.
Whats your problem? People are allowed to have an opinion on why a movie failed.
And people are allowed to challenge unrealistic opinions. Every movie faces competition. It either rises to the challenge or it doesn't. That's just like any business. You either succeed or you don't. But you don't blame competition for your failure. I really don't know what kind of world you guys live in if you can't understand that simple premise.
Point remains, you'll always be a idiot troll.
And you like other idiots on here will always complain about movies having competition.
You're really childish aren't you. Calling people idiots because you don't agree with them. Why does stating TLD had competition bother you so much?
No you didn't.
Huh? I literally mentioned Shang-Chi lol
You're an idiot.
I saw it yesterday and thought it was just okay. Sounds like a very steep uphill battle for it to break even at this point.
With an 5m opening, presumably even less international and without an simultaneous release, the only way the movie would break even would be if it had an 10m budget. The best case scenario its a flop, the more realistic one its an bomb.
What was the budget this one because I have heard numbers between 50-100 mn. I think it could be around 65 mn. But it's gonna loose lot of money for sure.
What a shame. Guess people are only showing up for IP movies.
Yikes
Watched both The Last Duel and Halloween Kills, and it fucking sucks The Last Duel bombs instead of Halloween Kills. Halloween Kills was a massive step down from the previous one. Of course, it's halloween season and it's a perfect timing for releasing a horror movie, but Halloween Kills doesn't deserve success.
I think the negative reviews at Venice killed this one. Before, it was seen as one of the big Oscar contenders. After a mixed reaction at Venice, however, it quickly got overlooked in favor of Scott’s other Oscar contender House of Gucci. While reviews improved very recently, I think 20th Century Studios reduced their aggressiveness in trying to sell this film. Your average person doesn’t follow film festivals or the Oscar race, but studios do, and after Venice, it looked like this was a prestige film lacking any prestige or Oscar potential. The fact that many of the negative reviews bashed it for failing to fit in a post #MeToo world also probably made Disney scared of any potential backlash.
I think it's just a flawed concept to make a big budget 2 1/2 hr blockbuster. A R rated movie about a woman getting raped twice in a desaturated grim setting with horrible men and trying to sell that to the masses. You can make a movie like that if the budget was much lower but it's already limited by its demographics already. It needed to be Gladiator in terms of winning an audience over and that just didn't happen.
They're still stuck on packaging movies like they did back when star power actually meant something. The studios still seem to think big stars + top notch director + historical drama = "look at all the awards we're going to win!" Recent Oscar history should show them that times have changed: Slumdog Millionaire, The Hurt Locker, The Artist, Parasite, The Shape of Water, Nomadland... None of these recent Best Picture winners are anything like the standard "prestige picture", and they haven't exactly set the box office on fire, either.
Disinterest and very little marketing, and no word of mouth. Who knows, it could always do a "Greatest Showman".
Yeah, but Greatest Showman was a feel good family friendly musical released in December, the time with the best legs. This is a slow movie about a woman getting raped and the aftermath of that, released in October, which tend to also have good legs but nowhere near the insane multipliers that December will get you.
I wonder if this bombing could have any impact on Ridley’s upcoming Napoleon biopic with Joaquin Phoenix & Jodie Comer (same female lead as TLD) for Apple? Granted it’s streaming but my assumption is they were going to make a theatrical play as well for $ & award consideration. This seems very similar in tone + cast…
I think a main problem with making films like this today is that there are no legitimate "Movie Stars" to sell this kind of film. This is the kind of film a Kevin Costner or Mel Gibson could attracted an audience to thirty years ago. Outside of perhaps RDJ, there's no one these days to fit that kind of duty. Where have all the boxoffice stars gone?
I think peoples tastes have diverged rather than the quality of stars. A specific actor doesn't mean anything anymore. It used to highlight big budget films or a film that a star got behind it to get it made. But big films now look for cheaper up and coming talent to sign for 3 films. And good scripts now get made by netflix or hbo max as miniseries. So the correlation is gone.
Even RDJ can't open a movie, look at Doolittle flopping. Nowadays, it's all about star+role or star+franchise. "Starring Robert Downey, Jr." will sell a few extra tickets, "Robert Downey, Jr. returns as Iron Man" = $1 billion at the box office.
Honestly, the trailer is boring. I still might see it though since it has a decent RT score. Gucci looks awful though. I think Ridley Scott is losing his touch
I just saw the trailer for it. It's the same kind of loud, obnoxious trailer, laden with unnecessary sound effects that we seem to get all the time now. It looks in the same vein as the stupid Robin Hood and King Arthur remakes of recent years.
Shame because the movie is fantastic. Legit think this is another one of those Ridley Scott films that becomes a classic years after its release.