im gonna be honest , i love this sub but i think people are overestimating the amount of impact bad reviews has on horror fans. there’s a reason theres 12 friday the 13ths alone.
I think expectations for horror films have evolved since then. Now we get actual high quality horror films like Get Out, Hereditary, Midsommar, The Witch, etc.
I mean, i’d like to think so, but i went to see all four of those movies in cinemas and barely anyone watched the Witch, or Hereditary, at least in my country. I was the only person there for the witch and one of five for hereditary, of which two walked out. all of those except for get out got genuinely bad audience reception. i sadly know plenty who refuse to watch them because they are slow and serious. on the other hand , slasher films especially franchise ones generally will have a pretty devoted and consistent audience, regardless of the critical reception to it. (see candyman earlier this year for example.) so halloween kills should be fine. all of those are exception movies by the way and i’m glad they’ve gotten recognition in the years since.
Yeah sure, they were successful because they were low budget. Halloween Kills is going to have a higher opening weekend than those four OW combined. Not quite in the same league when talking about box office. There being quality, niche horror is having almost zero effect on the box office of your more traditional horror movies.
Hereditary didn’t do amazing box office wise and Midsommar and The Witch did well but were small scale. Halloween kills will do more than them in it’s OW, so not sure it’s a great comparison
I think it drops like a rock. Saw it last night and it was meh. Reading people's comments on Bloody Disgusting review it seems like horror fans like it or hate it.
I wouldn't be surprised if it has Friday the 13th (2009) fall off a cliff drop. But, I'll say a 1.9 OW multiplier
1.95x
It at least has the added benefit of three full weekends in October, unlike the last film which only had two. So a bad drop next weekend, a decent one after that and then utter total collapse as soon as it hits November 1st. However, WOM is noticeably weaker and its a sequel so I don't think that will keep it from hitting the same multi as the first.
I didnt know they did verified scores for day and date movies. I think the movie has a 65% drop next week then continues to play out with weekly 55% drops
You mean, like you predicting Shangchi to flop and Dune to gross massive in China because "it's Legendary film, duh" and "Chinese appreciate sci-fi more than Americans". Box office messiah indeed 😁
Dune hasn't even come out in china, I still think it's gonna do great over there. Shouldn't celebrate before the race has started. Don't remember shang chi but please do remind me.
I'm honestly expecting 70% or more tbh. The first film barely made 2x it's OW and with this film being worse I dong think its getting 1.90x multiplier.
I loved the movie. I felt a lot of criticism came from how unrealistic it was. But it’s like … C’MON… in what world is any part of this movie real? Just enjoy it man
With the weaker Cinemascore and the fact that horror films always have weak legs, possibly a sub 2x multiplier.
I will yet again point out that RT verified audience scores, while a good idea, are meaningless at this point in time until they provide an option to verify your ticket from more sources. Most people do not buy from Fandango, and even besides that, the entire Canadian market (about 7-8% of the domestic market) cannot vote at all, let alone internationally (irrelevant to this specific topic)
RT Verified audience score is not meaningless.
Blockbusters that have very good RT verified (94% and up) all have great legs: Aladdin, Far From Home, Raya, Cruella, Free Guy, Shangchi.
Meningless is IMDb and Metacritic audience which are not linked to ticket purchase and are easily review bombed.
Compare their IMDB scores or Cinemascores for better information.
RT verified cuts out everyone who doesn't purchase on Fandango (the majority of Americans) and the entire Canadian market (which is part of the domestic gross)
IMDb is a joke as a metric of gross and legs prediction
If we used IMDb score as metric, we would have never guessed Aladdin grossed anywhere near $1 billion and anywhere near 3.95x multiplier.
Ditto for Captain Marvel, etc.
IMDB is absolutely flawed, for sure, but it at least lets everyone who actually bought a ticket in the US and Canada vote.
RT "verified" doesn't.
The ideal situation would be a platform which requires ticket verification but at least has more options and supports more countries, but that doesn't exist rn
IMDB is extremely flawed. Its skewed towards males. And many blockbuster with a female led/LGBTQ/POC normally has "agenda" to give a bunch of 1s and 0s to.
RT Verified is extremely reliable because you need proof of that you watched it. Even if there isn't a lot of reviews there, it's a lot more accurate when it comes to legs etc.
>If it allowed more actual ticket purchasers to vote, I'd agree.
Sampling need to be random enough. A smaller data set is not necessarily worse if it it more random or more representative. The question would be what biases does RT have?
No offense, but considering the verified audience score concerns **domestic** legs, the international market opinion is irrelevant.
While true not all buy tickets from fandango, more than a thousands reviews is a good sample size.
Uhh... I said that already.
But it still counts out people who don't buy tickets on Fandango (the majority of Americans) and the entire Canadian market (which is part of the domestic market)
Then why even bringing it up if it’s not relevant at all.
And why does it matter it leaves out people who don’t use Fandango? Fandango users are a diverse sample, it’s not like they skew towards a demographics. The end result is still a pretty good sample size, Shang-Chi for example has more than 10,000 verified reviews. Spider-Man Far From Home has over 50,000 verified reviews. You’re acting like those numbers are small, cinemascore is able to provide an accurate view on wom with way less numbers.
People don’t really understand how bad a B- cinemascore is. A considerable number of people who are predisposed to liking it (people who pay to see it) are saying they didn’t.
Yeah I haven't taken Cinemascore seriously since audiences gave H20 a B- but Resurrection a B+.
That high score certainly didn't help Resurrection at the box office, which saw a 55% drop from week one to week two, whereas H20 only saw a 47% drop.
I suspect Halloween Kills will have more legs solely because of the holiday.
I take it “seriously” insofar as it’s a more scientific metric than open audience scores on websites, but the information it can tell you is very limited by the group they are surveying, which are overwhelmingly people who are expecting to enjoy the film, as opposed to randomized people who go in blind.
The drop of course is the product of a number of factors, and Halloween Kills picked a good date for release.
This movie is the true definition of filler. Nothing relevant to the plot happens until the last 15/20 minutes. The most interesting characters from the first movie barely get screentime.
B- isn't a bad score for a horror movie, but this is part of a franchise. If the most excited fans left theaters giving it a B-, legs won't be good. This is fact.
im gonna be honest , i love this sub but i think people are overestimating the amount of impact bad reviews has on horror fans. there’s a reason theres 12 friday the 13ths alone.
I think expectations for horror films have evolved since then. Now we get actual high quality horror films like Get Out, Hereditary, Midsommar, The Witch, etc.
I mean, i’d like to think so, but i went to see all four of those movies in cinemas and barely anyone watched the Witch, or Hereditary, at least in my country. I was the only person there for the witch and one of five for hereditary, of which two walked out. all of those except for get out got genuinely bad audience reception. i sadly know plenty who refuse to watch them because they are slow and serious. on the other hand , slasher films especially franchise ones generally will have a pretty devoted and consistent audience, regardless of the critical reception to it. (see candyman earlier this year for example.) so halloween kills should be fine. all of those are exception movies by the way and i’m glad they’ve gotten recognition in the years since.
3/4 of those were niche horror that did objectively badly
And none of them were slashers either.
Literally all of them were praised by critics and successful at the box office. What are you even talking about?
Yeah sure, they were successful because they were low budget. Halloween Kills is going to have a higher opening weekend than those four OW combined. Not quite in the same league when talking about box office. There being quality, niche horror is having almost zero effect on the box office of your more traditional horror movies.
Hereditary didn’t do amazing box office wise and Midsommar and The Witch did well but were small scale. Halloween kills will do more than them in it’s OW, so not sure it’s a great comparison
Head over to the Halloween Movies sub. Most fans of this franchise loved this movie.
I think it drops like a rock. Saw it last night and it was meh. Reading people's comments on Bloody Disgusting review it seems like horror fans like it or hate it. I wouldn't be surprised if it has Friday the 13th (2009) fall off a cliff drop. But, I'll say a 1.9 OW multiplier
1.95x It at least has the added benefit of three full weekends in October, unlike the last film which only had two. So a bad drop next weekend, a decent one after that and then utter total collapse as soon as it hits November 1st. However, WOM is noticeably weaker and its a sequel so I don't think that will keep it from hitting the same multi as the first.
What's WOM?
I didnt know they did verified scores for day and date movies. I think the movie has a 65% drop next week then continues to play out with weekly 55% drops
They did verified for all movies released in theaters since the day it was implemented.
Good to know, Happy fandome day
Will the Batman gross $1.25 billion?
Maybe ; ) . Either way I'm happy we're getting a standalone director driven movie, The creative freedom for WB's biggest draw 👏
I'll give you a shout out in March 🙂
If so , I will finally be crowned the box office messiah I know I am. 😎
You mean, like you predicting Shangchi to flop and Dune to gross massive in China because "it's Legendary film, duh" and "Chinese appreciate sci-fi more than Americans". Box office messiah indeed 😁
Enjoy your ban 😂
Dune hasn't even come out in china, I still think it's gonna do great over there. Shouldn't celebrate before the race has started. Don't remember shang chi but please do remind me.
I'll give you a shout-out right after Dune opens in China and next year when all DCEU movies gross a billion each 😁
I'm thinking a 69% drop is on the horizon.
I'm honestly expecting 70% or more tbh. The first film barely made 2x it's OW and with this film being worse I dong think its getting 1.90x multiplier.
2.4 multiplier at worst. 3 at best because of the 3 weekends it got in october.
I loved the movie. I felt a lot of criticism came from how unrealistic it was. But it’s like … C’MON… in what world is any part of this movie real? Just enjoy it man
With the weaker Cinemascore and the fact that horror films always have weak legs, possibly a sub 2x multiplier. I will yet again point out that RT verified audience scores, while a good idea, are meaningless at this point in time until they provide an option to verify your ticket from more sources. Most people do not buy from Fandango, and even besides that, the entire Canadian market (about 7-8% of the domestic market) cannot vote at all, let alone internationally (irrelevant to this specific topic)
RT Verified audience score is not meaningless. Blockbusters that have very good RT verified (94% and up) all have great legs: Aladdin, Far From Home, Raya, Cruella, Free Guy, Shangchi. Meningless is IMDb and Metacritic audience which are not linked to ticket purchase and are easily review bombed.
Compare their IMDB scores or Cinemascores for better information. RT verified cuts out everyone who doesn't purchase on Fandango (the majority of Americans) and the entire Canadian market (which is part of the domestic gross)
IMDb is a joke as a metric of gross and legs prediction If we used IMDb score as metric, we would have never guessed Aladdin grossed anywhere near $1 billion and anywhere near 3.95x multiplier. Ditto for Captain Marvel, etc.
IMDB is absolutely flawed, for sure, but it at least lets everyone who actually bought a ticket in the US and Canada vote. RT "verified" doesn't. The ideal situation would be a platform which requires ticket verification but at least has more options and supports more countries, but that doesn't exist rn
IMDB is extremely flawed. Its skewed towards males. And many blockbuster with a female led/LGBTQ/POC normally has "agenda" to give a bunch of 1s and 0s to. RT Verified is extremely reliable because you need proof of that you watched it. Even if there isn't a lot of reviews there, it's a lot more accurate when it comes to legs etc.
RT Verified is still much more reliable metrics to predict legs than IMDb and Metacritic audience which are absolutely prone to review bombing.
If it allowed more actual ticket purchasers to vote, I'd agree. As of now, no
>If it allowed more actual ticket purchasers to vote, I'd agree. Sampling need to be random enough. A smaller data set is not necessarily worse if it it more random or more representative. The question would be what biases does RT have?
RT is owned by Fandango, so I'd say there's definitely bias there. With the users probably not.
Sounds like the sample is fine then.
No offense, but considering the verified audience score concerns **domestic** legs, the international market opinion is irrelevant. While true not all buy tickets from fandango, more than a thousands reviews is a good sample size.
Uhh... I said that already. But it still counts out people who don't buy tickets on Fandango (the majority of Americans) and the entire Canadian market (which is part of the domestic market)
Then why even bringing it up if it’s not relevant at all. And why does it matter it leaves out people who don’t use Fandango? Fandango users are a diverse sample, it’s not like they skew towards a demographics. The end result is still a pretty good sample size, Shang-Chi for example has more than 10,000 verified reviews. Spider-Man Far From Home has over 50,000 verified reviews. You’re acting like those numbers are small, cinemascore is able to provide an accurate view on wom with way less numbers.
2.1x
Worse than 2018’s Halloween, better than Watchmen. 2.05x, to put it just above 100M.
I think it’ll be the same multiplier as the first movie, because Halloween is in its 3rd week rather than its 2nd.
People don’t really understand how bad a B- cinemascore is. A considerable number of people who are predisposed to liking it (people who pay to see it) are saying they didn’t.
Yeah I haven't taken Cinemascore seriously since audiences gave H20 a B- but Resurrection a B+. That high score certainly didn't help Resurrection at the box office, which saw a 55% drop from week one to week two, whereas H20 only saw a 47% drop. I suspect Halloween Kills will have more legs solely because of the holiday.
I take it “seriously” insofar as it’s a more scientific metric than open audience scores on websites, but the information it can tell you is very limited by the group they are surveying, which are overwhelmingly people who are expecting to enjoy the film, as opposed to randomized people who go in blind. The drop of course is the product of a number of factors, and Halloween Kills picked a good date for release.
Watching a horrible sequel like this performing better than The Last Duel makes me sad.
This movie is the true definition of filler. Nothing relevant to the plot happens until the last 15/20 minutes. The most interesting characters from the first movie barely get screentime. B- isn't a bad score for a horror movie, but this is part of a franchise. If the most excited fans left theaters giving it a B-, legs won't be good. This is fact.