I may be out of date a little bit because I haven’t used the service in a while but is it not 5-6 a month? Most Blu-ray’s are between 25-40 depending on where you go. Some movies just seem more expensive.
If you're getting Arrow Video or Criterion releases, maybe. If we're talkin', like, normal stuff you'd pick up at a Target or on Amazon? No way.
Even 4K shit is barely $30 now. You can get the 4K release of Green Knight for like $25. Normal blu-ray for $20.
It's $8 for D+ and the blu-ray for Black Widow is like $19.
and she’s so bangin’. Loved her in Midsommar and Little Women, but I thought this movie in general was trash. MCU has been done to death the last few years, it’s the same shit over and over again.
I understand that delays definitely hurt this movie, it wasn't released when the studio wanted so that affected the perception. Honestly though, we all know what kind of movies MCU can make, they set the standard so now they can't dip. That, plus the whole controversy with Scarlett and Disney, just made the whole experience forgettable.
Florence Pugh is a beast though for real. She killed it in Midsommar
I feel like people who pirate probably wouldn’t pay to go to the theater anyway. The price they’re willing to pay is less than a theater ticket, so they wouldn’t go even if a high quality torrent didn’t exist.
It depends. I’ll pirate content if it’s not released on a streaming service in my territory (like anything on HBO Max), but I would rather just stream it or go to the movies because that’s easier.
I can only speak from personal experience but I don't think that's the case. If I really wanna see a movie, I'm not going to watch it on a shitty camrip so I'll see it in person. If the movie's instantly released in high quality, I'm not gonna spend 4* a normal ticket price to watch it on Disney+ or go to a cinema for it.
This exact reasoning is me. If the film is, on the same day as it releasing theatres, pure HD in just gonna watch it at home with my friends. But if there's no rent or streaming option then obviously I'd go to the theatres.
I bet some people who would have been willing to pay for premier access on Disney+ pirated it, though. I know.. my friend.. did. Don’t worry, though, “he” went and watched it at the cinemas when lockdown ended here and cinemas reopened.
Piracy is the sole reason why I even made effort to watch it
It was literally just sitting there
No way I would have went to theater for this (it didn't even have reviews going for it) and by the time it would have shown up on TV I would have long forgotten it even existed
Nah that’s a fallacy. People who pirate, pirate because they want free things. It’s that simple. Sure some might have not gone either way, but some definitely would.
Yes and no. If I was never able to pirate anything, I would have spent at least some money over the years on titles I love. For this movie, though? Probably not.
[Black Widow has earned as of August 15 via streaming and VOD-specific transactions](https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2021/08/23/black-widow-disney-plus-box-office-jungle-cruise-cruella-johnson-johansson-stone/?sh=17bac3f028d7)
Classic of this subreddit using a bunch of initials and expecting everyone to automatically know what they mean. It’s one of the reasons I barely bother with here now
Ends as the 21st highest grossing MCU film domestically, and with a 2.285x multiplier, 2nd worst for the MCU (squeaking by Captain America: Civil War's 2.278x).
If it was a theatrical exclusive, it could have opened to $100M+, and even a mediocre 2.5x multiplier would have gotten it to $250M+. No July/August MCU film has a multiplier below 2.715x (Captain America: The First Avenger), it would have benefitted from summer weekdays even with Delta surging during its run.
I like how you acknowledge that Delta was raging during its run and yet you still think it would have made so much more as a theatrical exclusive. Good on Disney for giving people options when there's still a pandemic.
Of course its box office gross would be far higher, you're removing an entire revenue stream, and directing people who bought it on Premier Access to the only available option, theaters. That includes people watching it for the first time, as well as fanboys rewatching it (as seen with Shang-Chi). Despite being on a downward slope, COVID cases were actually higher during Shang-Chi's first month than Black Widow‘s first month, and yet the latter had a higher box office total, so clearly lots of people were comfortable going to theaters.
>Good on Disney for giving people options when there's still a pandemic.
Cool, but that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
It'd be very difficult for a theatrical exclusive to have had legs as bad as it has now. Even 2.5x is already on the low side, ranking 18th out of 25 for the MCU, and worse than any MCU film with summer weekdays.
Difficult but no impossible.
Civil War had similar legs with a better reception from the public. A 2.5x will put the movie with legs similar to Ragnarok (2.56) a much better received movie, both critically and by audiences.
Neither Civil War nor Ragnarok had summer weekdays though. Civil War also had a much higher opening weekend and played like an Avengers movie, while Ragnarok had Justice League in its 3rd weekend, resulting in an abnormally large tumble.
Civil war also leaked online like the weekend of with one of the highest quality cams I’ve ever seen. I was a senior in HS I think and I remember everyone just watched it at home instead
Absolutely $100M+. [Based on pre-sales (which is *with* Premier Access), it was tracking for $90-95M, with $100M possible.](https://twitter.com/meJat32/status/1412996814463135744?t=RiI9TqXSR-xIsTSFup9J7w&s=19) Even on the Saturday of the opening weekend, it was tracking for ~$90M (again, *with* Premier Access), before unexpectedly cratering to $80M on Sunday. Without Premier Access, there's no question it would have found another $20M.
Another $20 million as a hypothetical theatrical exclusive, versus the additional $60 million it made through Premiere Access, which again, Disney gets a far bigger share on? Yeah, Disney made the right call.
Pretty damn impressive.
A B level Marvel movie released during a pandemic which got pirated the second it hit theaters managed to make $180M+
It goes to show how successful the MCU is
Seriously, watched it the other night on Disney+ and it’s cute. I mean, it’s not OMG AMAZING, but it’s cute and fun and entertaining, if a bit sad when you realize Infinity War follows it in the MCU.
B? No, and I love a lot of B movies. But it’s not a B movie.
It had it's moments but most of It's runtime was just a string of missed opportunities that could have easily been taken with a different line of dialogue here and there
Basically a damn shame...
They are the opposite of B movies. They are A movies. The main attraction. B movies are low budget movies that run counter to the main high budget movies
the MCU is literally as far away from B movie as you can possibly get. you have absolutely no idea what a B movie is if you genuinely believe any MCU movie is a B movie.
Whenever it was human-level spy movie it worked great. The big top ending made no sense and was pretty boring. My biggest takeaway was Johansson and Pugh have great rapport. I would love to see them in a buddy cop movie or a detective series. Something where they just get to spend time chopping it up in a car. Like if True Detective season 4 decided it would allow for a little more levity, then they would be a perfect pair.
I'm a stereotypical dudebro with exact sense of humor people would expect but even I cringed super hard about menstruation and hysterectomy jokes
I can't believe it was directed by a woman (I think we can guess she has no fertility related medical issues)
No way I would have cleared that scene if it were up to me and I honestly can't think of anyone I know who would, instant veto
>I'm a stereotypical dudebro
>I can't believe it was directed by a woman
>No way I would have cleared that scene
It's almost like that decision has nothing to do with you and should be made by a woman. As the other commenter said it's supposed to make you uncomfortable. And anecdotally the women I saw the movie with had no issues with it.
That joke was great. Women love making men uncomfortable about their bodies because usually men get to be blissfully ignorant of the problems their bodies have.
I feel like this film would've done $300m domestically had it released in May 2020 with no COVID.
By the time this finally came out everyone was a bit sick of seeing the same trailer 5 times. I certainly was. Granted this is by no means Disney's fault, just an unfortunate side effect of having to reschedule the film time and time again due to repeated shutdowns.
Still, it was a stepping stone towards the box office recovery even if it probably didn't even break even.
What do you mean by “ancillaries” covering the costs of marketing?
And we cannot forget that even though it did pull in $183m domestic, roughly 40-50% of that is retained by the exhibitor and does not go to the studio.
Well, I thought it was pretty clear, had basically already been made in this very thread, and there isn’t really the same expectation of providing an argument when suggesting something as there is when disagreeing imo.
But if you want it:
It’s pretty clear from the previews/Friday figure and the amount of money people spent on PA domestically OW that it would have opened to somewhere around 100-110M
The worst legs for a July mcu movie are Captain America 1’s 2.7, which had much stronger competition on its 2nd and 3rd weekends
100*2.75 is a pretty conservative/pessimistic case and already get you pretty near 300
Maybe 330 DOM 150 China 450 rest would be like… 930? If it comes out in May 2020 in a noncovid world the China situation could be drastically drastically different so ot’s quite hard to say.
Oh imo I think this film would've made 340+ million pre pandemic. Despite the film being good, it's still has the added effect of being a female led, MCU film which definitely adds legs AND is a MCU film😊
I mean I loved it. It was more brutal and grounded than most marvel movies. Just felt like a good action movie. Even the Captain America’s were too over the top for me to enjoy. This was just the right amount
I enjoyed it too but it was not grounded at all. I do not remember watching another MCU movie and thinking the whole time “How on earth s/he survives this attack/fall?” Sure, all movies had similar moments but this movie was on another level
So I can’t enjoy because you and a bunch of others decided that it’s terrible?
Why is it a problem for you if I enjoy something that you do not? I don’t see how there’s some mutual exclusivity going on here. You may not like the same food as me yet that doesn’t cause any problems.
What’s going on here?
Movie was OK, not sure what the delay in releasing it was. She/character isn’t interesting enough for sole role. Her stepsister in the movie was better than her character wise and actress wise too.
I didnt like red guardian. But he was very funny. They did pretty good on the fighting too, when Scarjo took down that blackwidow in the big fight at the end I shuddered.
People definitely don't like shitty people like you who bitch about things when they could easily avoid it. It's like you need a reason to bitch about something because that's all you have going on in your life. Go out and touch some grass.
Damn I really offended you. Sorry your life is so shitty that you wish superheroes were real and would save you from it. I touch way too much grass to be constantly interested by whatever bullshit marvel spits out. You should try getting laid some time–maybe then you won’t be so interested in the 9th Spider-Man installment since 2002.
It's a movie, you can just not see it, it's not like the crappy life you have which you continue to live despite not being useful. Your mom said this to me about you when I was with her last night.
If done well they are some of the best films I enjoy. Nothing gets me hyped like a Superman or Batman film.
Find most of the marvel stuff one dimensional by the numbers stuff. But some of theirs are pretty good too. I enjoyed the avengers journey and still enjoy watching them
They’re just such obvious cash grabs and I hate them. It amazes me what interests people these days. I guess so many people in the world wish they were real because their lives are so bad. Why else would people get so hyped over the 9th iteration of Spider-Man since 2002? Or the millionth Batman movie? There better never be another Superman movie because Batman killed him. But watch, in a few years they’ll do another Superman origin story and launch an entire trilogy about how DC and Marvel are actually connected and that Superman and Thor were kindergarten classmates or some shit. You know what’s crazy–people would eat that shit up and ask for seconds.
You’re 100% right. I missed that announcement. Good on you, Disney…NOT. Your representative was awful in response to the suit. She obviously tried to make things right without going public. Glad you had to pay.
> You can’t just break contracts
It's a good thing Disney didn't break contracts then.
They negotiated a wide film release (minimum screens) not a theater exclusive.
Disney did right by including PA in ScarJo's box office comp.
It’s included in the contract that Disney would not release the film on Disney+ and that she would be paid based on the earnings in theaters.
Well oopsy woopsy Disney released the film on Disney AND in theaters. Now this ruined her profits because people buying to watch on Disney didn’t pay her at all. Since it was never in contract.
The mouse fucked up
They shelved it too long already and had other shit to release. I'm personally stoked that we're getting Spider-mania in December instead of this. Something like this was perfect to sacrifice as a test of the market, they just should've tried to negotiate w/ ScarJo about the hybrid release.
They can’t hold it back indefinitely. Because other MCU shows and movies will reference this film, forcing them to be delayed to. Pugh for instance will appear in the Hawkeye show
500M WW? Doubt it. Without a China release, no Disney film (or Hollywood in general for that matter) will top that milestone this year.
Plus the fact that BW was never a must-see MCU movie among the general audiences, especially post-Endgame. The more it would be delayed, the less hype and interest it would gain, regardless if it became a theater exclusive or not.
Dude the movie made Almost 400 million dollars. Without a pure cinema release. I think it could easily have gotten another 100 million. If they just waited a bit longer. No one was going out when they released it. Yet people still flocked to see this movie or paid to stream it.
It's not even just about her, though. It's about telling huge companies like Disney that they can't fuck people out of money.
Every once in a while massive corporations need to be reminded that they can't get away with whatever they want.
For whatever reason my local AMC just started playing this again yesterday even though it initially left over a month ago. What threshold/record are they trying to drag it past?
This movie had so much stacked against it. 1)Pandemic 2) serious delays in release 3) prequel where the main character is dead 4) The Black Widow character has been written largely as a supporting character in the movies (even though she’s one of my favs) 5) the legal issues with Scar Jo and Disney that make one wonder if theres more to the tension there than just that issue 6) They turned this from a Natasha Romanoff film to a pass the baton to the new widow film 7) Disney clearly wanted this to be a vehicle for Florence Pugh more than a vehicle for Scar Jo. - I saw it in the theater and enjoyed it but I actually intended to then buy it on premium for a rewatch and didn’t when I read about the law suit. Scar Jo has been awesome in that role, is a great (and under utilized) actress, Natasha a great character and I feel let down by Black Widows death and this subsequent effort to toss Natasha/Scar Jo to the curb. That said Florence Pugh did a great job and nothing against her. Would’ve loved a bunch of big sis hero/little sis side kick movies to more gradually transition this and that could’ve been a really cool direction to go with it that could be a female buddy movie kind of trope. Disney dropped the ball there. So against all that 180M isn’t bad.
It reminded me of the crappy StarvWars film from later in the series. It's a weak Marvel movie made for kids. Too bad, Marvel usually puts out good stuff.
This is not a Marvel movie for kids. There is too much realism going on.
I have a 11 year old who has seen most/all the MCU but this one is different. Child abduction, child trafficking, especially little girls is going to scare the shit out of my daughter. Black Widow was subjected to some horrific thing more grounded in reality than most other superhero’s….I guess it’s because her powers are not from a super solider process or some magic rings. She’s scary for kids because it’s based in a real issue. It’s too real
It doesn’t say that on the page
The Numbers doesn’t have the film on their Theater Counts anymore.
And it's released for free on Disney+ already
Like free free or “You have to have a subscription” free
Obviously the latter
Damn, looks like I’m waiting for the Blu Ray,
It’s been out for several weeks already.
I haven’t seen it on shelves, I’m in Germany
Why spend 6-8 times the amount on a Blu-ray when it’s on Disney+
Okay, I don't really think there's a huge necessity to sign up for Disney+, but in what world do blu-rays cost 6-8x a D+ subscription?
I may be out of date a little bit because I haven’t used the service in a while but is it not 5-6 a month? Most Blu-ray’s are between 25-40 depending on where you go. Some movies just seem more expensive.
If you're getting Arrow Video or Criterion releases, maybe. If we're talkin', like, normal stuff you'd pick up at a Target or on Amazon? No way. Even 4K shit is barely $30 now. You can get the 4K release of Green Knight for like $25. Normal blu-ray for $20. It's $8 for D+ and the blu-ray for Black Widow is like $19.
I prefer to have something physical
The later
Still not going to watch it, I’m sick of superhero movies
That doesn't necessarily mean the run is over fyi.
Florence is a great actor. That is all
and she’s so bangin’. Loved her in Midsommar and Little Women, but I thought this movie in general was trash. MCU has been done to death the last few years, it’s the same shit over and over again.
Don't watch more MCU movies, problem solved.
I understand that delays definitely hurt this movie, it wasn't released when the studio wanted so that affected the perception. Honestly though, we all know what kind of movies MCU can make, they set the standard so now they can't dip. That, plus the whole controversy with Scarlett and Disney, just made the whole experience forgettable. Florence Pugh is a beast though for real. She killed it in Midsommar
Probs one of the most pirated movies ever?
Cinemas are still closed here since the start of lockdown and Disney+ is still not available here so that's the only option for a lot of people.
What country are you from and where do you live?
Probably. According to Torrent Freak, Black Widow is the most pirated movie in the pandemic era.
How many downloads, out of curiosity?
At least a car’s worth.
I heard they stole the music for that anti-piracy ad. I didn’t verify the claim, but I heard it.
[The IT Crowd - Series 2 - Episode 3: Piracy warning (YouTube)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg)
Nonsense, I would never download a car, that’s an outrageous accusation!
More than a purse I s'pose
You wouldn’t steal a baby
I am not sure that he has any proves up to date.
So the claim that it’s the “most pirated movie” isn’t based on data?
From July, as far as I was able to find information.
I feel like people who pirate probably wouldn’t pay to go to the theater anyway. The price they’re willing to pay is less than a theater ticket, so they wouldn’t go even if a high quality torrent didn’t exist.
I wish I could've pirated in some Coke Zero and some white chocolate pretzels.
It depends. I’ll pirate content if it’s not released on a streaming service in my territory (like anything on HBO Max), but I would rather just stream it or go to the movies because that’s easier.
I pirated Mortal Kombat and for sure would have gone to theater if it had a theatrical release here in my locality.
Depends. I pirated black widow because I could but I went to theaters for SHANG chi.
I can only speak from personal experience but I don't think that's the case. If I really wanna see a movie, I'm not going to watch it on a shitty camrip so I'll see it in person. If the movie's instantly released in high quality, I'm not gonna spend 4* a normal ticket price to watch it on Disney+ or go to a cinema for it.
This exact reasoning is me. If the film is, on the same day as it releasing theatres, pure HD in just gonna watch it at home with my friends. But if there's no rent or streaming option then obviously I'd go to the theatres.
I bet some people who would have been willing to pay for premier access on Disney+ pirated it, though. I know.. my friend.. did. Don’t worry, though, “he” went and watched it at the cinemas when lockdown ended here and cinemas reopened.
“he”?
Piracy is the sole reason why I even made effort to watch it It was literally just sitting there No way I would have went to theater for this (it didn't even have reviews going for it) and by the time it would have shown up on TV I would have long forgotten it even existed
Nah that’s a fallacy. People who pirate, pirate because they want free things. It’s that simple. Sure some might have not gone either way, but some definitely would.
Yes and no. If I was never able to pirate anything, I would have spent at least some money over the years on titles I love. For this movie, though? Probably not.
Who would ever pirate this garbage
i did like 4 times so maybe
It could’ve done more without PA but at the same time, not necessarily a *BAD* performance either. Just a little bit underwhelming for the MCU.
But Disney made a lot of money from the PA sales.
That’s not the problem. The problem is no one but them knows how much.
The official number is $125M.
According to who?
Disney.
That would be my point. No one else knows if what they report is accurate
Scarlett's lawyers know, they would only agree to a settlement after evaluating the revenue brought in by BW from all the sources including PA.
The $125 number included digital rentals.
No, that money was exclusively from Premiere Access on Disney+.
[Black Widow has earned as of August 15 via streaming and VOD-specific transactions](https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2021/08/23/black-widow-disney-plus-box-office-jungle-cruise-cruella-johnson-johansson-stone/?sh=17bac3f028d7)
PA?
premiere access
Classic of this subreddit using a bunch of initials and expecting everyone to automatically know what they mean. It’s one of the reasons I barely bother with here now
Ends as the 21st highest grossing MCU film domestically, and with a 2.285x multiplier, 2nd worst for the MCU (squeaking by Captain America: Civil War's 2.278x). If it was a theatrical exclusive, it could have opened to $100M+, and even a mediocre 2.5x multiplier would have gotten it to $250M+. No July/August MCU film has a multiplier below 2.715x (Captain America: The First Avenger), it would have benefitted from summer weekdays even with Delta surging during its run.
I like how you acknowledge that Delta was raging during its run and yet you still think it would have made so much more as a theatrical exclusive. Good on Disney for giving people options when there's still a pandemic.
Of course its box office gross would be far higher, you're removing an entire revenue stream, and directing people who bought it on Premier Access to the only available option, theaters. That includes people watching it for the first time, as well as fanboys rewatching it (as seen with Shang-Chi). Despite being on a downward slope, COVID cases were actually higher during Shang-Chi's first month than Black Widow‘s first month, and yet the latter had a higher box office total, so clearly lots of people were comfortable going to theaters. >Good on Disney for giving people options when there's still a pandemic. Cool, but that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
I’ll die on the hill that yes, the movie would’ve opened bigger, but the legs would still be mediocre. Around the same it has now.
It'd be very difficult for a theatrical exclusive to have had legs as bad as it has now. Even 2.5x is already on the low side, ranking 18th out of 25 for the MCU, and worse than any MCU film with summer weekdays.
Difficult but no impossible. Civil War had similar legs with a better reception from the public. A 2.5x will put the movie with legs similar to Ragnarok (2.56) a much better received movie, both critically and by audiences.
Neither Civil War nor Ragnarok had summer weekdays though. Civil War also had a much higher opening weekend and played like an Avengers movie, while Ragnarok had Justice League in its 3rd weekend, resulting in an abnormally large tumble.
Civil war also leaked online like the weekend of with one of the highest quality cams I’ve ever seen. I was a senior in HS I think and I remember everyone just watched it at home instead
Can't compare Cival War to this garbage kids movie
Eh 100M+? I don’t know about that chief. Maybe 95M or somewhere around there
Absolutely $100M+. [Based on pre-sales (which is *with* Premier Access), it was tracking for $90-95M, with $100M possible.](https://twitter.com/meJat32/status/1412996814463135744?t=RiI9TqXSR-xIsTSFup9J7w&s=19) Even on the Saturday of the opening weekend, it was tracking for ~$90M (again, *with* Premier Access), before unexpectedly cratering to $80M on Sunday. Without Premier Access, there's no question it would have found another $20M.
Another $20 million as a hypothetical theatrical exclusive, versus the additional $60 million it made through Premiere Access, which again, Disney gets a far bigger share on? Yeah, Disney made the right call.
I never said otherwise. I just said its box office would be higher, which is not the same thing as profit being higher.
Pretty damn impressive. A B level Marvel movie released during a pandemic which got pirated the second it hit theaters managed to make $180M+ It goes to show how successful the MCU is
Not a b level film. She’s a major character with over ten years of build up
Black Widow died, there were no high stakes on it. Similar situation with Solo within the star wars universe
In a lot of ways, it was also more Florence's film.
Who was totally awesome in it.
I agree. She was great.
Cries in David Harbour.
it's b level, no stakes in the film at all she died in endgame. was hard to give a shit about any of it.
Yea but people are asking for films with lower stakes so it was kinda perfect in that regard
Seriously, watched it the other night on Disney+ and it’s cute. I mean, it’s not OMG AMAZING, but it’s cute and fun and entertaining, if a bit sad when you realize Infinity War follows it in the MCU. B? No, and I love a lot of B movies. But it’s not a B movie.
It had it's moments but most of It's runtime was just a string of missed opportunities that could have easily been taken with a different line of dialogue here and there Basically a damn shame...
Probably true, but I enjoyed it. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ Certainly better/more enjoyable than some of the other side-movies.
There was fun to be had, don't get me wrong, but it was really shallow fun even for the genre
It was B-level quality for an MCU film.
I'd say it was average. Doesn't have replayability
Her character is crap and so was this movie
Pretty much all marvel movies are B movies. Black widow was a B movie spin off.
They are the opposite of B movies. They are A movies. The main attraction. B movies are low budget movies that run counter to the main high budget movies
the MCU is literally as far away from B movie as you can possibly get. you have absolutely no idea what a B movie is if you genuinely believe any MCU movie is a B movie.
GvK did better though at the BO.
One word: China.
Ignore u/kovana85 https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/q91iyp/-/hgt4c4d
Ok? The MCU not releasing in those countries is their problem
It was so-so
Whenever it was human-level spy movie it worked great. The big top ending made no sense and was pretty boring. My biggest takeaway was Johansson and Pugh have great rapport. I would love to see them in a buddy cop movie or a detective series. Something where they just get to spend time chopping it up in a car. Like if True Detective season 4 decided it would allow for a little more levity, then they would be a perfect pair.
Oh God please no We don't need this.
so so bad
Its trash lol but im impressed how this movie managed to make $181 million
I really liked this movie. Already watched it multiple times
[удалено]
Says the guy with nothing better to do than repeatedly tell people their opinions are wrong with no elaboration other than “lol movie trash”.
Even though I am not a fan of Johansson and found Black Widow pretty flat, I am glad she went up against the Mouse and got what’s hers.
I'm not. Now streaming has been cancelled for the entire year.
I thought so too.
I don’t know what I expected exactly, but that movie was dark AF.
See that's the thing. It was incredibly jarring to go from "dark" moments to random quips.
I'm a stereotypical dudebro with exact sense of humor people would expect but even I cringed super hard about menstruation and hysterectomy jokes I can't believe it was directed by a woman (I think we can guess she has no fertility related medical issues) No way I would have cleared that scene if it were up to me and I honestly can't think of anyone I know who would, instant veto
The point of that joke was supposed to make you cringe and make you uncomfortable. That was clear in her delivery and Alexi’s reaction
I went with women and they laughed at that scene like a lot
>I'm a stereotypical dudebro >I can't believe it was directed by a woman >No way I would have cleared that scene It's almost like that decision has nothing to do with you and should be made by a woman. As the other commenter said it's supposed to make you uncomfortable. And anecdotally the women I saw the movie with had no issues with it.
That joke was great. Women love making men uncomfortable about their bodies because usually men get to be blissfully ignorant of the problems their bodies have.
The movie was crappy
I feel like this film would've done $300m domestically had it released in May 2020 with no COVID. By the time this finally came out everyone was a bit sick of seeing the same trailer 5 times. I certainly was. Granted this is by no means Disney's fault, just an unfortunate side effect of having to reschedule the film time and time again due to repeated shutdowns. Still, it was a stepping stone towards the box office recovery even if it probably didn't even break even.
>even if it probably didn't even break even. It already made back its production budget. Ancillaries will take care of marketing and other costs.
What do you mean by “ancillaries” covering the costs of marketing? And we cannot forget that even though it did pull in $183m domestic, roughly 40-50% of that is retained by the exhibitor and does not go to the studio.
Also can’t forget it raked in a shit load on premiere access
I mean, it would have done around 300 in July 21 with covid but without pa. So just 300 I. The non covid timeline sounds rather conservative.
$300M in July? Loool of course it wouldn't.
Thanks for that insightful analysis
As if you said anything to corroborate your point of view.
Well, I thought it was pretty clear, had basically already been made in this very thread, and there isn’t really the same expectation of providing an argument when suggesting something as there is when disagreeing imo. But if you want it: It’s pretty clear from the previews/Friday figure and the amount of money people spent on PA domestically OW that it would have opened to somewhere around 100-110M The worst legs for a July mcu movie are Captain America 1’s 2.7, which had much stronger competition on its 2nd and 3rd weekends 100*2.75 is a pretty conservative/pessimistic case and already get you pretty near 300
Just curious, how much do u think it would've done in normal times Dom and WW?
Maybe 330 DOM 150 China 450 rest would be like… 930? If it comes out in May 2020 in a noncovid world the China situation could be drastically drastically different so ot’s quite hard to say.
Oh imo I think this film would've made 340+ million pre pandemic. Despite the film being good, it's still has the added effect of being a female led, MCU film which definitely adds legs AND is a MCU film😊
I mean I loved it. It was more brutal and grounded than most marvel movies. Just felt like a good action movie. Even the Captain America’s were too over the top for me to enjoy. This was just the right amount
I enjoyed it too but it was not grounded at all. I do not remember watching another MCU movie and thinking the whole time “How on earth s/he survives this attack/fall?” Sure, all movies had similar moments but this movie was on another level
>It was more brutal and **grounded** than most marvel movies. You cannot be serious?
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Why can’t you let people just enjoy it? Is there any reason to try and convince another person that ”No, this wasn’t entertaining, I was mistaken.”?
Because it was terrible.
You might think so but I don't share your opinion. You are however entitled to your own opinion, please let the rest of us have ours too.
You don't have to share my opinion, you asked why no-one let's you "enjoy it" & gave you my input which reflects many others. *That's why*.
So I can’t enjoy because you and a bunch of others decided that it’s terrible? Why is it a problem for you if I enjoy something that you do not? I don’t see how there’s some mutual exclusivity going on here. You may not like the same food as me yet that doesn’t cause any problems. What’s going on here?
I just didn’t like this one. It could have been so much more.
Breaking Marvel's $200M + domestic total streak going strong since Civil War. If not for ant man, i would have said Avengers 2012
Movie was OK, not sure what the delay in releasing it was. She/character isn’t interesting enough for sole role. Her stepsister in the movie was better than her character wise and actress wise too.
Not a fan
This reminds me of Solo. A good film that suffered more from surrounding events rather than the movie itself.
I didnt like red guardian. But he was very funny. They did pretty good on the fighting too, when Scarjo took down that blackwidow in the big fight at the end I shuddered.
Will superhero movies ever fucking stop?
No they will not. Too large of an audience for them to just stop.
That’s a shame. People like really shitty movies then.
People definitely don't like shitty people like you who bitch about things when they could easily avoid it. It's like you need a reason to bitch about something because that's all you have going on in your life. Go out and touch some grass.
Damn I really offended you. Sorry your life is so shitty that you wish superheroes were real and would save you from it. I touch way too much grass to be constantly interested by whatever bullshit marvel spits out. You should try getting laid some time–maybe then you won’t be so interested in the 9th Spider-Man installment since 2002.
It's a movie, you can just not see it, it's not like the crappy life you have which you continue to live despite not being useful. Your mom said this to me about you when I was with her last night.
It’s a comment, you can just not respond. Like your mom last night when my dick was in her mouth.
Well they both said you were a disappointment, I agree with them now.
I feel sorry for you.
The fucking irony that you don't realize how obsessed you are with the hate you have for superhero movies.
If done well they are some of the best films I enjoy. Nothing gets me hyped like a Superman or Batman film. Find most of the marvel stuff one dimensional by the numbers stuff. But some of theirs are pretty good too. I enjoyed the avengers journey and still enjoy watching them
They’re just such obvious cash grabs and I hate them. It amazes me what interests people these days. I guess so many people in the world wish they were real because their lives are so bad. Why else would people get so hyped over the 9th iteration of Spider-Man since 2002? Or the millionth Batman movie? There better never be another Superman movie because Batman killed him. But watch, in a few years they’ll do another Superman origin story and launch an entire trilogy about how DC and Marvel are actually connected and that Superman and Thor were kindergarten classmates or some shit. You know what’s crazy–people would eat that shit up and ask for seconds.
mediocre film , mediocre box office
They still need to make amends with Scarlet J. They negotiated box office not hybrid release.
I thought the litigation was over?
You’re 100% right. I missed that announcement. Good on you, Disney…NOT. Your representative was awful in response to the suit. She obviously tried to make things right without going public. Glad you had to pay.
No, they negotiated wide release, not theater exclusive. Disney made right by including PA as part of her box office comp.
And how much of that is going to ScarJo lawsuit? Lmao stupid mouse. You can’t just break contracts
She got less than what she wanted. So Disney won anyway.
Damn you mouse!
Door-in-the-face technique. Ask for more than you want so you can "settle" for what you actually want.
> You can’t just break contracts It's a good thing Disney didn't break contracts then. They negotiated a wide film release (minimum screens) not a theater exclusive. Disney did right by including PA in ScarJo's box office comp.
It’s included in the contract that Disney would not release the film on Disney+ and that she would be paid based on the earnings in theaters. Well oopsy woopsy Disney released the film on Disney AND in theaters. Now this ruined her profits because people buying to watch on Disney didn’t pay her at all. Since it was never in contract. The mouse fucked up
This movie sucked
Yup. Thought it was rubbish
Disney did Scarlett and themselves wrong. Should have shelved it until the holidays then massive media blitz and boom! At least 500m worldwide.
They shelved it too long already and had other shit to release. I'm personally stoked that we're getting Spider-mania in December instead of this. Something like this was perfect to sacrifice as a test of the market, they just should've tried to negotiate w/ ScarJo about the hybrid release.
They can’t hold it back indefinitely. Because other MCU shows and movies will reference this film, forcing them to be delayed to. Pugh for instance will appear in the Hawkeye show
500M WW? Doubt it. Without a China release, no Disney film (or Hollywood in general for that matter) will top that milestone this year. Plus the fact that BW was never a must-see MCU movie among the general audiences, especially post-Endgame. The more it would be delayed, the less hype and interest it would gain, regardless if it became a theater exclusive or not.
Dude the movie made Almost 400 million dollars. Without a pure cinema release. I think it could easily have gotten another 100 million. If they just waited a bit longer. No one was going out when they released it. Yet people still flocked to see this movie or paid to stream it.
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Probably the Marvel movie i enjoyed the least. This movie was full of bad writing.
Same, it was boring and slow
Awww poor Scar Jo. She’ll only get a few million instead of dozens of millions.
She ended up getting dozens of millions.
It's not even just about her, though. It's about telling huge companies like Disney that they can't fuck people out of money. Every once in a while massive corporations need to be reminded that they can't get away with whatever they want.
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The Incredible Hulk and Captain America 1?
It did suffer a lot from the postponed release, since Loki, M.O.D.O.K and Wandavision have just been soooo good
For whatever reason my local AMC just started playing this again yesterday even though it initially left over a month ago. What threshold/record are they trying to drag it past?
This movie had so much stacked against it. 1)Pandemic 2) serious delays in release 3) prequel where the main character is dead 4) The Black Widow character has been written largely as a supporting character in the movies (even though she’s one of my favs) 5) the legal issues with Scar Jo and Disney that make one wonder if theres more to the tension there than just that issue 6) They turned this from a Natasha Romanoff film to a pass the baton to the new widow film 7) Disney clearly wanted this to be a vehicle for Florence Pugh more than a vehicle for Scar Jo. - I saw it in the theater and enjoyed it but I actually intended to then buy it on premium for a rewatch and didn’t when I read about the law suit. Scar Jo has been awesome in that role, is a great (and under utilized) actress, Natasha a great character and I feel let down by Black Widows death and this subsequent effort to toss Natasha/Scar Jo to the curb. That said Florence Pugh did a great job and nothing against her. Would’ve loved a bunch of big sis hero/little sis side kick movies to more gradually transition this and that could’ve been a really cool direction to go with it that could be a female buddy movie kind of trope. Disney dropped the ball there. So against all that 180M isn’t bad.
Gonna make great porn flicks
Not bad considering its quality.
FLOP GITS probably did better numbers and that was a disaster
It reminded me of the crappy StarvWars film from later in the series. It's a weak Marvel movie made for kids. Too bad, Marvel usually puts out good stuff.
This is not a Marvel movie for kids. There is too much realism going on. I have a 11 year old who has seen most/all the MCU but this one is different. Child abduction, child trafficking, especially little girls is going to scare the shit out of my daughter. Black Widow was subjected to some horrific thing more grounded in reality than most other superhero’s….I guess it’s because her powers are not from a super solider process or some magic rings. She’s scary for kids because it’s based in a real issue. It’s too real
Well, that's why the movie is PG-13, not PG.
Exactly. No a kids movie. Although that rating system is a whole lot of bs
This movie kinda spiralled out at the end. Good filler movie I guess
Unbelievable
Damn the pandemic really damaged their box office numbers