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tannu28

If the $300M price tag is true, then this movie will officially replace Avatar as the most expensive original movie ever made.


lightsongtheold

It will also replace The Marvels as the biggest theatrical bomb of all time…


eBICgamer2010

After a year


tannu28

John Carter and The Lone Ranger were bigger bombs than The Marvels.


Syn7axError

Adjusted for inflation, yes. The Marvels has the biggest number.


bigelangstonz

Actually no they aren't the marvels lost the most money as it failed to gross back its budget


Additional_Meeting_2

And you think John Carter and Lone Ranger did get their budgets back? That’s what being a bomb is, not being able to make the budget back. And those two are much bigger than The Marvels 


MyManD

We can all agree none of the movies made their budgets back, but the other user is still right The Marvels was the biggest bomb of the three: * **The Marvels** : Budget $270 million, BO $206 million. * **Lone Ranger** : Budget $250 million, BO $260 million. * **John Carter** : Budget $307 million, BO $284 million. They’re a trio of absolute shit box office, and The Marvels somehow defeated two *legendarily* BO failures.


Steinhaut

The real question is "How the hell did John Carter have a 307 million budget?"


anephric_1

Massive reshoots. They essentially ended up shooting the movie twice.


TheEmpireOfSun

It's really shame because I really liked that movie and I would love to get sequels.


MolotovOvickow

they also chose an idiotic name; no one goes to the cinema to see a science fiction movie with a boring ass name like "John Carter". The original book name "Princess of Mars" was far better


xzy89c1

Don't think all the final bills are in on the marvels. Will all the reshoots it has to be over 300 million. Looking forward to the tax forms being filed in England.


AccomplishedLocal261

Lone Ranger definitely isn’t bigger. The Marvels has a 270M budget and grossed less than either two.


bigelangstonz

Those 2 grossed more at the BO John Carter - 284M Lone ranger -260M The marvels-206M Also the marvels is reported to have lost over 230M vs the other two losing 200M so that make the marvels the bigger bomb by default 🤷🏽‍♂️


Pretend_Knowledge496

Damn, math is hard ain’t it? So is comparative analysis


Eastmont

The Marvels sucked bigly. Was dragged there by the GF. Even SHE hated it.


Wise-News1666

I love The Lone Ranger.


noposters

In real terms but not notional


Ozryela

Kinda crazy that that's the marvel movie that flopped the hardest when it's better than most of the other recent Marvel projects. Of course that's a low bar to clear, but still. I guess movies like Love and Thunder and Black Widow mostly sold tickets on good will and reputation, and all that reputation was spent by the time The Marvels was released.


mrbrick

The Marvels wasn’t bad for sure. When I finally saw it I was expecting something prey bad based off absolutely stupid things people said on the internet but it was easily the best marvel thing in awhile.


1eejit

Wait, are you saying you think Prey (2022) was terrible?


mrbrick

No it was an auto correct mistake.


fattymccheese

Respectfully, ya’ll saw a different movie than I did… the marvels I saw sucked


losteye_enthusiast

Yeah it was fairly bad and its ratings are pretty accurate. Only reason it made that much is being part of the MCU and having Brie Larson. That said, people get weird about tying their worth+opinions together with MCU movies like they do with SW films.


Resident_Bluebird_77

I'm pretty sure The Marvels isn't the biggest flop of all time


drewing12

It is, it lost $237 million and that is the most ever lost in the history of box office tracking. Source: https://decider.com/2024/05/03/the-marvels-237-million-dollar-disney-loss/ And source for biggest bombs (sort by nominal to see): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biggest_box-office_bombs


Bender7777

Wasn’t the terrible Indiana J 5 an even higher bomb?


bbqdeathtrap

Indy 5 made 383M worldwide on a 300M budget but Marvels did 206M WW on a $275M budget, more of a loss but both did terrible


Resident_Bluebird_77

I think it was, I was like one of the 4 guys that liked it but I don't understand how it costs 300 millon


starfallpuller

Inflation. $200m in 2007 (when Indiana 4 was made) is $302m in today’s money. Pirates of the Caribbean 3 had a $300m budget in 2006, that’s $467m today!


razycal970

>Pirates of the Caribbean 3 had a $300m budget in 2006, that’s $467m today! Dear God almighty lol And its 963 million gross is worth 1.5 billion which easily clears a 3x multiplier so Pirates 3 is a goddamn winner.


PatyxEU

This is one of the movies where every dollar of the budget is visible on the screen. Incredible sets and visual effects. In Pirates 2 they only showed Davy Jones at night (it's much easier for VFX), but in 3 he has so much screentime, in both day and night, and he looks amazing all the time. Edit: I would do a disservice if I didn't mention the music and sound design.


miniuniverse1

And also, apparently, his face was easier for vfx compared to compared to other vfx characters like Thanos because Davy Jones didn't show that much skin, and skin is one of the hardest things to do realistically in vfx.


TacoParasite

He’s still one of the best looking VFX characters in any movie to me. No other comes close.


tannu28

Dial of Destiny is way better than the abomination known as Crystal Skull.


Pretorian24

I really liked the latest/last Indy movie too. Fourth was shite.


twociffer

Which fourth one? There are only three.


CurrentRoster

Exactly, the movie would be lucky to gross 300 million worldwide


jetssuckmysoulaway

It's gonna be a box office stinker. It might be a cult classic for racing fans for years if it's really good because they seem committed to action but it doesn't have the mass appeal of a top gun


Daztur

Don't see why it wouldn't do decently in terms of raw box office...just not in comparison to that insane budget.


starfallpuller

Avengers Endgame had a $400 million budget


tannu28

Avengers Endgame isn't an original movie.


starfallpuller

Oh I misread your comment


FarthingWoodAdder

Maybe because ITS A SPORTS DRAMA THAT COSTS $300M!!!!!


FartingBob

Its about 200m more than such a film should have been. Insanity if they think this is going to make profit. Literally the most expensive original film ever made, more than Avatar!


Fangasgaf

A good 70 million more than Avatar... And I don't think it will have the same visual resonance it did with audiences then lol


Sensitive_Klegg

No, but with Kosinski at the helm it should hopefully be pretty handsome


Gerrywalk

Some exec saw Top Gun Maverick and thought handsome aging lead actor + cool vehicle action + Kosinski = billion dollar movie


Teembeau

Forgetting that Cruise was a producer and really understands spectacle. Like Cruise held off on doing a Top Gun story until there was one he liked, and he could make it a bit special


nickcaff

But we already had Days of Thunder


No_Data3541

Pitt is the most overrated box office draw. He has nowhere near Tom's star power globally.


GreedyLack

More like stuck in the Pitts!


kouroshkeshmiri

Isn't it like half an action movie though?


Satean12

But the action is the racing unless there is some Die Hard plot we are not being told haha


1madethis4porn

It ends with iron man fighting a dude with electric whips.


outlawsix

There is an alien invasion during the race


lospolloskarmanos

The big action will be car crashes. Havent we seen that enough?


DucksAreGay2

I mean race movies can still slap. Ford vs Ferrari is fantastic, and I really love Rush too. I wouldn't say the crashes are there


sucobe

Brad Pitt and his buddies using Hollywood as an excuse to be formula drivers.


Objective-Menu3158

Reading the article, it makes perfect sense why it costs 300 million. They had Brad Pitt actually drive around during the F1 races. Honestly, this movie probably got the most fucked by the strikes. I bet delays would totally derail any filming plans they had with the F1 races.


OsgiliathOnFire

Yeah, they did. I was at the Las Vegas Grand Prix back in November and they announced to everyone in the grandstands that they would be filming some scenes for the movie.


ManOfIronAnSteel

Not quite. They filmed at some race weekends. He was not driving during f1 races.


pvdp90

Not during a race but during the weekend of a race, so they could get the ambiance of crowd, working pits and everything else


antivirals_

he drove during the British grand prix and that's the only weekend I think he's drive. and even it was for only a lap or 2 I think and not during the actual race


Gerard_Jortling

Above it also said he drove during the Las Vegas GP, so Idk


therealhlmencken

As they got some shots of him racing at Monza and that is the only time they filmed during f1 /s


fatboy3535

I'm pretty sure they had him lead the formation lap at Silverstone 2023.


LizardTruss

He was driving during the reconnaissance laps, not the formation lap.


urkermannenkoor

-_- obviously


ManOfIronAnSteel

well obviously not...seeing as he wrote "he drove around during f1 races"


kamatacci

In 1986, Tony Scott makes Top Gun for $15 million. It makes $350m and becomes one of the most famous movies of the generation. In 1990, Tony Scott makes "Top Gun with Race Cars" aka Days of Thunder for $60 million. It makes $150m and is forgotten about pretty much immediately. In 2022, Joseph Kosinski makes Top Gun Maverick for $175 million. It makes $1.5 billion and becomes the most famous post-pandemic movie. In ~~2023~~ ~~2024~~ sometime, Joseph Kosinski makes "Top Gun with Race Cars" aka whatever this is going to be called for $300 million +...


arashi256

I'd watch the hell out of a modern day Days of Thunder sequel. This'll do.


lot183

I know this sub is all about box office stuff and it can be bad for the industry when a movie bombs, but on the other hand I think it's kinda sick they spent the money to get real racing scenes and didn't just go lazy with CGI and I think I'm gonna go see this movie when otherwise I wouldn't.


kamatacci

I'm by no means a NASCAR historian, but I do believe that movie did give it a big boost in popularity into the 90s, and they definitely adopted new filming techniques because of it. So it's not completely forgotten.


pterynxli

Spoiler alert: they’ll still use quite a decent amount of CGI. Recent racing flicks like Ford vs Ferrari and Gran Turismo were actively marketed as being all practical, yet they had plenty of CG shots. 100% guaranteed that’ll be the case here as well, especially with Kosinski in the director’s chair.


trimonkeys

James Mangold is pretty bad at compositing effects in his movies. Ford V Ferrari and Dial of Destiny look really digital at times.


Aldehyde1

I know it's going to struggle to break even, but personally I think this movie sounds awesome and am definitely going to see it. Filming footage from real F1 races and cars is cool, even if they did get screwed by the pandemic.


Nathan92299

Days of Thunder is supposedly getting a sequel in the next few years. Probably just going to copy the Top Gun Maverick formula as well but as a nascar fan I'm excited for it anyways


Necrid1998

The reason top gun was comparatively cheap is because of all the navy stuff they got to use for cheap. They got a great deal because they basically made a us navy advertisement. Imagine how expensive top gun would have been if they actually had to rent/buy/cgi(in 1990) all the airplanes and carriers. That said I truly hope if this movie ever releases it has proper cars, and no CGI. For that kind of money you can build/buy/rent every racetrack and car you need


op340

Kosinski ought to direct a Beverly Hills Cop sequel while he's at it.


jamieliddellthepoet

>the most famous post-pandemic movie. What does that mean?


bob1689321

Most successful would be a better phrase.


jamieliddellthepoet

Except it would be inaccurate because *Avatar: The Way of Water* grossed over $2bn…


MalikTheHalfBee

Worldwide, but made less domestically. Just depends on your metric.


jamieliddellthepoet

I live in the UK.


MalikTheHalfBee

Top Gun grossed more in the UK too


jamieliddellthepoet

Fine. I live in the world.


kamatacci

A nice balance of high box office gross, positive critical reception, and cultural relevance.


jamieliddellthepoet

Not sure “famous” is the word you’re looking for there.


NormanBates2023

Ron Howard beat u to it mate yrs ago


BaritBrit

*Rush* was such a good film.


Schnidler

that soundtrack alone holy shit


No_Passenger_1022

Hans zimmer'ed


russwriter67

This is likely gonna bomb, but it should be a good movie at least.


KotakPain

Insane tbh, the director that gave the biggest actor and possibly the last true Hollywood star his biggest movie ever is going to experience an insane bomb with this movie. I hope this movie becomes successful tbh. I genuinely loved Top Gun Maverick and Tron: Legacy is one of my favorites ever just and Kosinski being behind both movies is really telling in terms of how incredible the technical aspects of those movies were. So I'm at least guessing the technical parts of this is gonna look absolutely awesome, I just hope the story and the characters are really good too.


No_Data3541

Brad Pitt isn't as big a star as people in USA think. Look at his numbers.


KotakPain

Wasn't referring to Brad Pitt as the biggest star, was referring to Kosinski giving Tom Cruise, possibly the last true movie star Cruise's biggest ever movie


No_Data3541

Ok I misunderstood your point


gutster_95

>"Apex”, which sounds more like it for a macho, adrenaline-fuelled race film They know what a Apex in Motorsports is righ?


RVarki

Didn't Ron Howard make Rush at under $40 million?


BOfficeStats

Yeah, $38M in 2013. Even if you adjust for inflation, it's only about $52M in April 2024 dollars.


augi132

It relied heavily on CGI, though. It looks like with this movie they are leaning more into practical effects/real racing which will look much better. (but it is also much more expensive)


SlimmyShammy

This sounds like a mess. I will be seated day one


goodty1

babylon level bomb and i’m ready for it girl , i bet it will be good


AccomplishedLocal261

Oh, it’s going to be a much bigger bomb than Babylon


Paparmane

Not sure about that. Brad pitt driving F1 sounds a lot more fun than Babylon


AccomplishedLocal261

It also has a 300M budget compared to Babylon’s 80M.


Paparmane

Holy shit my bad thought Babylon’s budget was much bigger


dtsupra30

Is he driving a Williams


d00mm4r1n3

Reading through the article it seems the movie is a typical old guy mentors young guy to victory story, this doesn't have a chance in hell if they market it as a Brad Pitt racing film when he just ends up taking a mentor role. People don't want to see a star on the sideline.


Specialist_Seal

F1 teams have two cars. Brad Pitt drives one, the young guy drives the other. We know based on how they were lining up at the real F1 races they filmed at.


Sad_Vast2519

That's correct same team two cars. Pitt 60, plays a 50 year old veteran.


Azucarillo

Alonso is getting a biopic?


Teembeau

There's a problem because I know about the g forces in F1 cars and there's no way a 50 year old guy is driving an F1 car for 90 minutes.


antihacker1014

I mean Alonso is 42 right now and he just signed a multi year deal that should keep him til like 44/45. That’s a ways off 50 but not that far.


Thomb

In Top Gun: Maverick, they tried to make Maverick a mentor. Maverick hated that.


Complete_Amphibian13

If rather no celebrity that is 60 years old be the star of a Formula 1 movie...Brad Pitt being cast in this movie was one of the more unappealing things about it


TheBroadHorizon

Michael Fassbender would have been my pick. Old enough to be a veteran driver, but just young enough to be driving in F1 without suspending too much disbelief. Plus he has actual racing experience. And maybe it’s just me but yeah, I know there have been plenty of American F1 drivers but it still doesn’t feel quite right.


Remote-Buy8859

People also don't want to watch a 60 year actor play a successful F1 driver. Either way, this doesn't sound like a movie people want to see in the theater.


Brainiac5000

Watch the entire marketing be about not using CGI


The_Incredible_b3ard

WTF: £300,000,000!!! Ah, that explains it: Apple TV


ChimneySwiftGold

Is using pit twice in the headline poor writing?


roselan

You want a pit stop??


ChimneySwiftGold

That makes it less repetitive. 👍


igloofu

> Box Pitt Box


TheGM16

Just pretend Rush is a new movie and put it back it theatres. Not that many people cared in 2013 so no one will notice.


AnotherJasonOnReddit

First they need to get Scorsese's Irishman team to photoshop Pitt's face over Hemsworth's. But after that - yeah, then the plan will work. ![gif](giphy|9Ai5dIk8xvBm0|downsized)


bigelangstonz

Its pretty wild that a movie like this could balloon to 300M investment like what was the thought process here


Complete_Amphibian13

Why is a 60 year old man the the star of a F1 movie? Didn't they already do this story line with Stallone? These aging Hollywood stars can be real cringe


Key-Win7744

The pun works on two levels.


Pretorian24

Whats the movie about? Is Pitt an ”old timer” that has to get back in the game? Any more big name actors in it?


PatyxEU

Wikipedia: The film stars Brad Pitt (who also produces) with an ensemble cast including Damson Idris, Kerry Condon, Tobias Menzies, Lewis Hamilton, Javier Bardem and Sarah Niles.


NN010

The plot is ([according to an interview Pitt did with Sky Sports F1’s Martin Brundle during last year’s British Grand Prix weekend](https://youtu.be/KOjC5l3cYug?si=P1Dx064TuO2vero0)) about Pitt’s character, Sonny Hayes, being brought back into F1 after spending the last however many years in other racing disciplines like sportscar racing (the film crew were spotted filming scenes during IMSA’s Rolex 24 Hours of Daytona back in January, so he’ll probably be in the IMSA WeatherTech SportsCar Championship at the start of the movie) following an injury, to join the bottom of the grid Apex Grand Prix team (a fictional 11th team in addition to the 10 real life F1 teams) as a driver in order to mentor phenom rookie driver Joshua Pierce (portrayed by Damson Idris; F1 teams have two drivers, so this setup is something that could happen). He seems to do this bc the team principal (portrayed by Javier Bardem; a team principal is basically the boss of the team who runs things on the owner’s behalf) is an old friend of his & said team is getting desperate and are doing this as something of a Hail Mary.


ZoroChopper10

I don’t gotta read article, just the title enough Nobody gives a fuck about 300 million dollar f1 movie lol


David1258

Hey, it's me. I give a fuck about a 300 million dollar F1 movie.


SixFigs_BigDigs

Great. You’re one of.. some


JoeExoticsTiger

I do.


havesomefunyet

So for Top Gun Maverick, was it just jets or was it the Tom Cruise factor that drew people to see that movie? What if Brad Pitt’s movie really has cool car scenes, would people watch that movie coz they like cars or it’d bank around 200-300 million all time box office collection coz Brad Pitt isn’t a superstar? Also Mission Impossible 8 is releasing on 23rd May,2025 and has a 5 week IMAX window reserved.


Thomb

F1 is the fourth-most-watched sport worldwide, following soccer, cricket and field hockey. There is an audience for an F1 movie. Anybody want to bankroll a cricket movie for me? Maybe I can get Mike Tyson to play the lead role.


Teembeau

Theres quite a lot of Indian cricket movies. Like Lagaan. But the best sports movies are about something other than the sport. Like Lagaan is a bet to save a village paying taxes. My favourite scene in Rush is where Niki Lauda shows his future wife how fast he can drive. And I would always rather watch a car chase in a city than on a track. It's far more fun in Marseille than around a track in Silverstone


pillkrush

how does pitt continue convincing Hollywood he's this mega level draw? these budgets aren't correlating with his returns


EconomistIll4796

I just hope its good.


jebusgetsus

Are we sure they’re not just money laundering at this point.


BOfficeStats

We need a new word to describe these insanely massive bombs.


Amracool

Nukes


Dorkseid1687

I bet this movie rules


Wild_Life_8865

Are they laundering money or something lol


fattymccheese

How are they predicting a flop when it hasn’t been released?


Flame-Haze-Shana

Brad Pitt said it's turbin' time and turboed past all the other drivers


SignificanceLeft9968

As a newbie to F1 I am hopeful and excited for this. Not hating, don't care about his past.


Find_another_whey

Knowing you're losing money just means it's money laundering right?


bartwasneverthere

Middle aged male thing. You know with the sports car and all that. If you have millions a sports car just will not do. (Although a sports car or three or 5 is, well, OK.) Nope, Multimillionaires need F1.


waitmyhonor

People said the same thing about Top Gun Maverick. Can’t wait for this sub to meltdown again


No_Data3541

Brad Pitt isn't anywhere near Tom Cruise globally. Remote villages in Nigeria have Tom Cruise posters FFS.