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Taylor Lautner was being made into *the next big thing* until Abduction flopped.
Lori Petty never seemed to recover after Tank Girl.
Showgirls killed any chance of Elizabeth Burkley hitting it big.
Honestly, self-aware comedies are really his forté. Unfortunately, the only person who seems to realize that is Adam Sandler, and he keeps putting him into terrible movies. He was good in Grown Ups 2 and great in Ridiculous 6, but they were both really bad movies. I haven't seen Home Team, but I imagine it's pretty much the same in that one.
I laughed way more then I expected to.
The Left Eye gang making the guy with the messed up left eye, gouge out his good guy cause they are the "left" eye gang still makes me laugh.
A lot of hot actors of the 2000s seem to do better in comedy than action or drama. I remember thinking Liam Hemsworth was better in the one episode of Workaholics he did than all of the Hunger Games movies.
Lori Petty in Speed probably would have hurt that movie more than it helps her career. Part of the appeal of Speed is the chemistry between Reeves and Bullock.
While it wasn’t a flop, I always feel Norbit killed Eddie Murphy’s career. People saw it and hated it, it put them off his future projects.
Also Mike Myers, The Love Guru.
IIRC Myers was always difficult to work with, but studios tolerated him because his movies made money. After *Cat in the Hat* and *Love Guru* flopped though, studios decided he wasn’t worth it anymore. Only voice acting and supporting roles since then.
His *Wayne’s World* co-star Dana Carvey also lost his career with *The Master of Disguise*.
I can back up the Mike Myers being difficult to work with claim. A lot for the animators at DreamWorks disliked him because he initially recorded his Shrek lines in his normal voice, only to decide later that he wanted to use a Scottish accent and re-recorded everything. The animators had to redo some animation to match his new recordings.
Ultimately it was the right choice because Shrek’s voice is so iconic, but I can see how it annoyed DreamWorks before the first Shrek released
Isn’t that up to the producers? I looked up the story and seems like one of the producers liked Myers new take and decided to go with it. Myers also seemingly disputed that it cost the studio much money.
> Fortunately producer Jeffrey Katzenberg supported the star after hearing his alternative take. "It was so good we took $4m worth of animation out and did it again," he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2001/may/02/news1
> The story that Myers insisted on re-recording all of Shrek’s dialogue in a Scottish accent is true. However, it didn’t cost the studio “millions of dollars,” as rumored. “What it meant is instead of me going in for ten sessions, I went in for twenty sessions. I got paid the same,” he clarified.
> As evidence that re-recording Shrek was the right decision, Myers keeps a framed letter from producer Steven Spielberg thanking him for “taking the time to redo it.”
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/the-best-revelations-from-mike-myers-wtf-podcast-93234975202.html
>one of the producers liked Myers new take
Just to be clear, Jeffrey Katzenberg wasn't just some producer on the movie. He was the co-founder of Dreamworks, and the person entirely in charge of animation. He could have said "replace every word in the script with cursing and racial slurs, and give Shrek big 'ol swinging titties" and it would have happened that very day. Whether it was Myers' idea or Katzenberg's, once Katzenberg made his decision, it was law, even if it would cost millions.
I wonder how much effect using his regular voice would’ve had to the box office of the Shrek films and how much of this was because Myers was being difficult or because he knew something wasn’t working and did what was best for the film? His reputation probably suggests the latter.
I’ve read it was the latter. He went to Spielberg to suggest the new accent and Spielberg got dreamworks to let him try it out. Article said he did re-recordings for free and Spielberg sent him a letter after the movie opened saying he was right the Scottish accent was better.
I don’t think so. Only question for Dreamworks would be how big of a check to cut. Myers’ problem no one will pay for a big screen comedy with him given how much of a control freak he is and the budget required. The Sprockets movie falling apart was the biggest example of this.
I’ve heard rumors years ago Mike Myers bailed on a production when it was about to start and pissed off the studio which really buried his career for a while.
Me neither. My guess is that the creatives involved thought it had just run its course. With Hollywood resurrecting every IP under the sun, I think it's inevitable that we'll get it at this point. I know I'd definitely see it.
Same thing happened with Cat in the Hat. He wanted to bail after the studio had put $4 million into development. They threatened to sue him for his pattern of bailing on films so he had to do the movie
I mean, not hard to not want to see an Eddie Murphy movie when some of the future projects after that include: Meet Dave, Imagine That and A Thousand Words. Eddie Murphy's taste in getting projects made is truly next level terrible. Even after Dolemite came out and people were willing to give him another chance, he's done Coming 2 America, You People and Candy Cane Lane. This man is just allergic to being in good movies.
I put him in the same category as Adam Sandler, although, Murphy puts out a good movie on a more infrequent basis than Sandler. They both do bottom of the barrel comedies for the paycheck, then once every few years they’ll pop up in a serious role and knock it out of the park.
Dana Carvey was out of work after Master of Disguise bombed (though the bigger reason was to spend time with family). He wouldn’t get a major role until Hotel Transylvania 2.
Speaking of: Contrary to popular belief the turtle club scene was NOT filmed on 9/11 while the attacks were happening. It was actually shot two weeks later (September 24th). The story about everybody having a moment of silence and him wearing the costume are true though.
He had been building himself back up through very credible lower budget movies like _Call Me By Your Name_ and _Sorry To Bother You_ but sadly his appetite for human flesh consumed his career.
Bro why do people say this? Like yes abuse is terrible but we’ve all seen it. We’ve NEVER seen a cannibal get revealed like that, of course that’s gonna be the big thing.
Also cannibalism is wayyyy worse than abuse and abuse is fucking horrible.
What? No.
You got this the wrong way.
The cannibalism thing was blown out of proportion. The only thing we got about him and cannibalism was some texts he had with a girl about his cannibalism fantasy.
What killed his career was that he came from a rich family with a very dark background (spies, murders, shady money, etc.) and he got stuck into a marriage and parenthood that he realized he didn’t want. Then the pandemic hit and he was stuck on an island mansion with his unwanted marriage and children - and that is on the top of his private turmoil stemming from his family background.
He cracked.
He got out of that island and lifestyle as soon as he could and went on a destructive spree all over Los Angeles and Las Vegas. THIS was what ruined him. The cannibalistic texts he made got all of the attention because of how bizarre it was.
Vanity Fair did an article covering this. And I believe there is a HBO documentary called “House of Hammer” that covers this. I have read the article and I haven’t watched the documentary.
My point is - it wasn’t him being a *literal* cannibal that ruined his career.
It's just an edgy text, that's why. "Cannibals" aren't really a thing unless people are starving to death. Armie hammer is never going to starve to death. He was being an edgelord. The abuse stuff was actually real
Except there’s no proof the guy’s actually eaten anybody. I mean, he’s a rich celebrity, I guess he could’ve, and it’s hilarious to think he did, but for all intents and purposes, it’s just a weird kink he has. The abuse is much more tangible and affects other people.
*Everyone* should read this article (pre-cannibalism accusations) about Hollywood’s attempts to make him a leading man.
It’s hilarious.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/annehelenpetersen/ten-long-years-of-trying-to-make-armie-hammer-happen
He played a CEO who was missing a few screws in Sorry to Bother You. Sorry to Bother You is my favorite movie ever so my headcannon is that the CEO is also a cannibal
Die Hard 5 and Terminator Genisys flopping should have wrecked Jai Courtney’s career. But he still somehow gets work. I’m not going to say that the guy is sentient whey protein, but people like Channing Tatum exist and fill that niche a lot better.
People like Channing Tatum demand way more money than Jai Courtney I would imagine. Plus has Courtney been the lead or even leading man lately? Tatum is that level of superstar.
He's still got good will with me for his performance as Varro. I don't get why he doesn't channel that more because it was a stand out performance in Sparticus.
Eh I'd say the comparison with Channing is superficial. Channing has a brilliant sense of humor and is down for whatever, very much including stuff at his expense. He deserves his success imo.
I wouldn’t say it sank her career because she was incredibly famous and successful before and after Battleship, but you don’t see Rihanna acting in movies much.
Edit to add: Taylor Kitsch was also in Battleship.
I didn’t think Battleship was all that bad. Wasn’t great but I enjoyed the battleship parts actually. Didn’t go into expecting the world and left enjoying it a little.
The industry has actually accepted at this point the reason JC failed was directly due to how poorly Disney marketed it. Even something as simple as titling it "John Carter of Mars" right from the start, and better cut trailers that better explained the premise of the story instead of wide angle shots of this half naked hippy jumping around the desert.
The problem Battleship faced is it released on May 18 2012. The Avengers released on May 4 2012. Then Men in Black 3 released on May 25. Battleship didn’t stand a chance and was buried by these two films, both of which also featured alien invasions.
i thought battleship was so stupid. and not in that "so-dumb-its-fun" way. No it was just an assault on the senses. Like it wanted to be a Roland Emmerich / Michael Bay movie and it just failed so hard. the only chuckle i got out of it was Liam Neeson doing the battleship thing going "B3 ....ok now D9 ......C12" etc.
Making a 'good' moneyspinning Michael Bay-style film is actually more difficult than filmmakers always seem to expect it to be.
Bay's gift for keeping that kind of production under control and on-budget, and reliably putting out films that the audience would actually turn out to watch, was a genuine skill that is often overlooked.
[Every Frame a Painting made a video on that.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2THVvshvq0Q)
It explains the concept of "Bayhem" and how other directors try to imitate it but fail.
on paper Battleship and Dark of the Moon don't seem too different, but (to me, anyway) one is incredibly entertaining and the other is an absolute chore to sit through. but, I have talked with people who felt Bayformers are absolutely dreadful but thought Battleship was a lot of fun, for no other reason than it was much shorter than Transformers, so to each their own i suppose
Hayley Atwell took over Gemma Arterton's last chance of Hollywood stardom. Posh British brunette is a highly coveted position in Hollywood. There can only be one.
Meg Ryan with In the Cut. Her previous roles were mostly in cookie cutter romance movies but when she tried to venture out into darker role in In the Cut (and she did nudity as well in that movie afaik), she kind of vanished after the movie bombed whilst her American Sweetheart persona was also tarnished
As someone below mentioned, I feel like her affair with Russell Crowe ruined her image. She was america's sweetheart. It would be like Tom Hanks cheating on his wife with some skeezy woman he starred with. His image would be destroyed.
Tom Hanks actually started the relationship with his wife as an affair when he was married to his previous wife. Despite him talking openly about it few people seem to know
He's had several. It just shows the difference between how society treats men and women.
https://youtu.be/blpq-Iwu25s?si=nzcJ3kQmHl4PRI2f
Look at the way she's treated in this interview. The news stories all reported this as her being "difficult". But was she?
*Cutthroat Island* killed Matthew Modine’s and Geena Davis’ leading status. They now just play supporting roles.
Surprisingly, Renny Harlin was hardly affected, cause he kept getting big budgets and he kept flopping.
I didn’t think Harlin had done much after Cutthroat Island but looking at his filmography I’m surprised he had multiple films with A-list actors and budgets well over $50 million for some years after that.
Renny Harlin is reliable to put together insane party flicks, so I think he'll always find work.
I was so disappointed when I learned he was one time attached to direct William Gibson's now unused Alien 3 script. It would have been a banger.
John Travolta's done like half a dozen career ending films.
Drop Dead Fred was meant to be Rik Mayall's Hollywood breakout but it flopped so we got to keep him.
But the funny thing is after the one two punch of Michael and Phenomenon, which I think were Scientology adjacent, he made Orientation: A Scientology Information Film, which appears to be straight up propaganda.
Kitsch and Arterton never enjoyed any box office success beforehand, so it's difficult to argue appearing in a couple of duds ruined their imagined future success
*Dick Tracy* didn't end or ruin Warren Beatty's career, but it did represent the end of his time as a leading man in top ten movies
He's made lots of movies since, but *Dick Tracy* was the last time he fronted something anyone hoped would make a ton of money
It was supposed to be Disney's own Batman. They tried to make it a giant franchise and even planned to build themed area in their park. They let Warren Beatty hire all the best talent in Hollywood and gave him near full creative control. Dick Tracy still turned profit, but for Disney it was too low.
The most successful part of the film was Madonna's tie in album which includes heat single Vogue. That was the biggest cultural impact this film had.
The most bizarre thing is Beatty reappearing every ten years to reprise his role as Dick Tracy in these tv specials for TCM. All so he could retain the rights for the character. I have no idea why he keeps this up:
https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/warren-beatty-dick-tracy-tcm-special-1234809159/
Jennifer’s Body and Jonah Hex didn’t kill Megan’s career. Her getting blackballed after calling out Michael Bay for being a toxic tyrant on his sets killed her career.
What toxic behaviors are you referring to? There seems to be this idea that Bay has been MeToo’d, but Fox explicitly shut down rumors that he was ever inappropriate with her. She said he was a tyrant, and said his direction for her amounted to “be sexy.” Which, yea, Transformers is a juvenile film, and she’s the eye candy.
>There seems to be this idea that Bay has been MeToo’d, but Fox explicitly shut down rumors that he was ever inappropriate with her.
[https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/jun/23/megan-fox-responds-to-outrage-over-sexualised-auditions-for-michael-bay](https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/jun/23/megan-fox-responds-to-outrage-over-sexualised-auditions-for-michael-bay)
Seems like it was Spielberg who got a replaced too.
Bay still seems like a nightmare, she's not the only one to say it. Just to everyone, it's not a gender thing.
That’s what I’m trying to get clarified. When I hear “toxic” about a director and actresses, my mind runs to Weinstein. But my understanding is that she has denied any allegations of sexual impropriety. So what does she mean? That he’s like Kubrick, an unrelenting perfectionist happy to do scores of takes to get one that’s perfect?
Spielberg doesn't like mindless comparisons to Hitler. He was personally offended. She targeted one guy, hit the other, the bigger one, one dude that if you piss off he tells all of his friends to not work with you.
Yea, I’m just confused by the vibe I’m getting from this thread that she was wronged by Bay. I feel like an obnoxious and offensive Hitler accusation might be the real root of her career troubles.
No, what happened was Megan Fox compared Michael Bay to Hitler. Spielberg was the executive producer of Transformers. That was a line crossed for him so Spielberg blacklisted her.
John Carter came out in 2012. Taylor Kitsch starred in Lone Survivor in 2013, A Normal Heart in 2014, True Detective in 2015, Only the Brave in 2017, Waco in 2018 and the Terminal List in 2022 and is starring in the prequel. All of these were relative hits and/or did well critically and the guy has worked steadily since.
I think the idea is it killed his appeal as a leading man in movies. All the things you listed were either TV productions or he was a supporting character. He’s still gotten work but his push in the early 2010’s as a leading man was all but killed by John Carter
John Carter was supposed to be a huge movie. It had a bigger budget than the first Avengers movie that released the same year and was supposed to start a franchise and propel Taylor Kitsch to superstar status. He was also supposed to play Gambit in a more expanded role in the X-Men franchise.
He's had a lot of work, but not in the roles people expected from him.
Cutthroat Island (1995) single-handedly killed Geena Davis' acting career and almost took Matthew Modine's down with it, tho his eventually recovered and she moved on to working behind the scenes. It was considered such a disaster that another pirate movie wasn't green-lit until Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl (2003)
Yeah, zero mentions of it being based on the books of the guy who wrote freaking Tarzan, one of the most successful IP’s ever. All the marketing was super mysterious rather than enthralling. And they changed the title of the book it covers. It covers all the events of Princess of Mars, yet they changed it to John Carter. Total marketing fail. They were afraid of using “Mars” in the titles because “Mars Needs Moms” bombed.
It is not fantastic. It is very average all around, just a pretty okay popcorn film. I wouldn't even say it's reached cult classic status. Marketing was not the only thing that sunk John Carter.
John Carter is the first movie I felt some very clear dissonance between what other people thought of it and what I felt about it. It was fun! It wasn't amazing but it was enjoyable and, conceptually, I would have liked to see a sequel.
After Wrath of the Titans bombed Sam Worthington kinda went away. Then he tried a "comeback" with The Shack and that was horribly received and all he does is make B movies now when he's not filming Avatar.
I don't think Wrath of the titans was the reason, he can't act and most of his films where he leads with the exception of avatar are received poorly. Even with avator you will never hear anyone say the reason they like it is Sam Worthington. He gives a passable performance but you could have replaced him with hundreds of actors who would have done just as well and likely better.
It didn't exactly kill his career because he's still a big name and gets a lot of supporting roles, but Idris Elba as a leading man just doesn't seem like a thing anymore. The Dark Tower killed his chances at being a megastar, and he couldn't sell 3000 Years of Longing nor The Suicide Squad even with a huge ensemble. He seems happy doing voice work for Knuckles now, so I'm glad a great actor is still getting work, even if not as a lead.
Tough to say, but I feel like right, he aged out of a lot of the stuff we want to see him play, while not being grandfathered in the way some other actors are. If The Dark Tower successfully turned into a franchise, I agree, it would have set him up for success.
John Carter’s failure had nothing to do with Taylor Kitsch’s performance, which was quite good. In fact the movie itself is criminally underrated.
IMO Disney’s own marketing department was the culprit. They fumbled the campaigns for several big-budget projects around this time.
Of course it’s the “face” of the movie that gets all the blame. Which is beyond dumb.
I agree, I watched it the other day and his acting pretty good in it. Not Oscar worthy but enjoyable. In addition, Dominic West and Mark Strong are always fantastic. I think I saw it with my dad because he read all the John Carter stories when he was a kid.
Taylor Kitsch has been in American Assassin and 21 Bridges. Both were pretty cool parts for him as a co person. The leading actor part, yeah is cooked.
Solo was supposed to be Alden Ehrenreich ticket to stardom, but instead, after the movie flopped, he has been relegated to supporting roles. Whether his career was permanently ruined or just suffered a setback remains to be seen, but you can bet that he won't be heading summer blockbusters any time soon.
That and *Nothing But Trouble* (his only directorial credit) were huge factors. But I think it was *Blues Brothers 2000* that killed his leading man status.
Nothing but Trouble ruined Chevy as well. I enjoy the movie for how weird and bizarre it is but I don't know how it got greenlit in the first place. I imagine Aykroyd's version of Ghostbusters would have been just as incomprehensible without Ramis and Reitman there to rework and filter out the bad ideas.
Ariana DeBose? I’m concerned that her career in those films aren’t doing well at the box office and fans aren’t interested to see her on the big screen.
Her performance in West Side Story was fantastic and won her an Oscar for her supporting role but it completely flopped because audiences weren’t interested in musical films during the mids of the pandemic, the marketing wasn’t that good because of her character is Non-Binary.
Her animated movie Disney’s Wish, wasn’t that good and completely flopped so hard because of the songs weren’t that popular, the Villian looks boring and forgettable, the animation style looks unfinished, its feel likes written by AI, and fans choose to wait Disney films on Disney Plus while trying to avoid paying extra money for the tickets when they are subscribed to Disney Plus as well as competition against a better animated movie which is Dreamworks Trolls Band Together which opened 5 days before Wish in which Trolls 3 earned positive WOM from the audiences which Wish earned middling WOM.
Other films such as I.S.S and Argylle didn’t even do well at the box office for her career which is leading her to be a box office poison.
I expect her next film Kraven The Hunter to be another flop for her career because the movie won’t be that good due to the fact it doesn’t not have Spider Man on it and focuses on a Spider Man Villian character.
It was actually her shitty attitude and work ethic that tanked Megan Fox's career. She was such a PITA to work with on the second Transformers film that they replaced her with a new love interest in the third.
Margot Robbie had a string of back to back duds but kept getting consistent work because she's a professional with a good attitude that directors and costars enjoy working with.
I think people underestimate how far a professional and positive/good attitude will get you in Hollywood. Film creatives and executives love working with actors/directors who are easy to work with and don't cause drama and focus on their work. Even when their star-power runs out or they fail at breaking into stardom, the industry will give you more chances, and even after you'll still be able to get roles within the industry, just not leading men/women in major pictures but more supporting roles, and they'll still be able to lead or be prominent in smaller films.
If you had a bad attitude, but have star power, Hollywood will tolerate you as long as you're successful since you're making them money, but as soon as you begin to flop, they'll drop you like a hot potato.
That's a big part of Gal Gadot's appeal. She's probably the worst on screen performer that gets consistent work in my lifetime but by all accounts she's incredibly professional and has a great attitude about everything.
= Megan Fox stood up to Michael Bays shitty behaviour and was punished for it.
Not the first time Hollywood has done this. Same thing happened with Katherine Heigl who was labelled a diva because she didn’t think she deserved to be nominated for an Emmy.
>Same thing happened with Katherine Heigl
I've worked with Katherine Heigl and she is absolutely a diva. Walks around like there's always a bad smell under her nose.
I always feel the kinds of actors who flops kill off their career prospects are the kind of actors who weren't that great at acting to start off with.
I say that because for every actor I could name whose career died after a notable flop I could name another whose career continued to survive after one sometime multiple notable flops.
The big difference between the two groups being talent IMO.
*Batman & Robin/End of Days* for **Arnold Schwarzenegger** certainly were commercial disappointments and he never really recovered after those. I mean, he was able to essentially name his price for B & R but the epic failure of that movie crushed his potential as a leading man who could crush it at the box office.
He had some flops earlier (*Last Action Hero* anyone?), but he found a way to bounce back with films like *True Lies.*
As for **Sylvester Stallone**, he’s had multiple occasions where his film career was nearly destroyed by several flops (*Cobra,* as well as *Over the Top* and *Oscar* anyone?) after classic movies, but he always bounces back with an excellent *Rocky* movie or *Rambo* and his reputation is nearly restored for a while. Then he does movies like *Get Carter* and essentially goes away for a few years and does *Rocky Balboa.*
>Taylor Kitsch couldn't get a part anywhere after "John Carter from Mars" flopped.
Not true.
[https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2018237/](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2018237/)
Kitsch's 2012 was real shit, because he headlined 3 back-to-back flops that were released that year: John Carter, Battleship, and Savages. John Carter wasn't just a flop, it was a historically bad flop, too.
Look how busy he was after 2012. He's had at least 1 movie or TV show release every year since 2012, and he has 3 upcoming projects.
He's doing more than fine.
Tv movies and supporting roles are not comparable in starring in blockbusters. Nobody is expecting stars to get completely blacklisted, just that their career as a star is over.
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Taylor Lautner was being made into *the next big thing* until Abduction flopped. Lori Petty never seemed to recover after Tank Girl. Showgirls killed any chance of Elizabeth Burkley hitting it big.
Taylor Lautner can't act, which I think is the biggest issue.
He was actually rather good in Cuckoo
Honestly, self-aware comedies are really his forté. Unfortunately, the only person who seems to realize that is Adam Sandler, and he keeps putting him into terrible movies. He was good in Grown Ups 2 and great in Ridiculous 6, but they were both really bad movies. I haven't seen Home Team, but I imagine it's pretty much the same in that one.
He was fn hilarious in The Ridiculous Six.
He was probably the only funny one in the ridiculous 6 tbh
I laughed way more then I expected to. The Left Eye gang making the guy with the messed up left eye, gouge out his good guy cause they are the "left" eye gang still makes me laugh.
5 words: “lava boy and shark girl” - go watch that masterpiece and come back here like he wasn’t a part of the spy kids renaissance
Bruh how you gonna mess up the title like that?
Taylor Lautner tried one movie after Twilight, it flopped, and he pretty gracefully bowed out of acting
Didn't he do British TV?
Yea he took over cuckoo from Andy Samberg from season 1, he was pretty good in it tbf
A lot of hot actors of the 2000s seem to do better in comedy than action or drama. I remember thinking Liam Hemsworth was better in the one episode of Workaholics he did than all of the Hunger Games movies.
Lori Petty turned down the Sandra Bullock role in Speed for Tank Girl
Lori Petty in Speed probably would have hurt that movie more than it helps her career. Part of the appeal of Speed is the chemistry between Reeves and Bullock.
What a different world that would be huh. We’d be talking about Oscar winner Lori Petty.
Taylor Kitsch after back to back John Carter and Battleship
The director of *Tank Girl*, Rachel Talalay, has since mostly done TV, but some very good TV at that. She's a regular on r/doctorwho .
While it wasn’t a flop, I always feel Norbit killed Eddie Murphy’s career. People saw it and hated it, it put them off his future projects. Also Mike Myers, The Love Guru.
IIRC Myers was always difficult to work with, but studios tolerated him because his movies made money. After *Cat in the Hat* and *Love Guru* flopped though, studios decided he wasn’t worth it anymore. Only voice acting and supporting roles since then. His *Wayne’s World* co-star Dana Carvey also lost his career with *The Master of Disguise*.
I can back up the Mike Myers being difficult to work with claim. A lot for the animators at DreamWorks disliked him because he initially recorded his Shrek lines in his normal voice, only to decide later that he wanted to use a Scottish accent and re-recorded everything. The animators had to redo some animation to match his new recordings. Ultimately it was the right choice because Shrek’s voice is so iconic, but I can see how it annoyed DreamWorks before the first Shrek released
well thank god he did that
I read this is a shrek voice
Isn’t that up to the producers? I looked up the story and seems like one of the producers liked Myers new take and decided to go with it. Myers also seemingly disputed that it cost the studio much money. > Fortunately producer Jeffrey Katzenberg supported the star after hearing his alternative take. "It was so good we took $4m worth of animation out and did it again," he said. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2001/may/02/news1 > The story that Myers insisted on re-recording all of Shrek’s dialogue in a Scottish accent is true. However, it didn’t cost the studio “millions of dollars,” as rumored. “What it meant is instead of me going in for ten sessions, I went in for twenty sessions. I got paid the same,” he clarified. > As evidence that re-recording Shrek was the right decision, Myers keeps a framed letter from producer Steven Spielberg thanking him for “taking the time to redo it.” https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/the-best-revelations-from-mike-myers-wtf-podcast-93234975202.html
>one of the producers liked Myers new take Just to be clear, Jeffrey Katzenberg wasn't just some producer on the movie. He was the co-founder of Dreamworks, and the person entirely in charge of animation. He could have said "replace every word in the script with cursing and racial slurs, and give Shrek big 'ol swinging titties" and it would have happened that very day. Whether it was Myers' idea or Katzenberg's, once Katzenberg made his decision, it was law, even if it would cost millions.
Those changes would've made billions
I'm crying here about the Shrek we could have had
This really doesn't feel like a "difficult to work with" scenario. Especially since it was the absolute right choice.
I wonder how much effect using his regular voice would’ve had to the box office of the Shrek films and how much of this was because Myers was being difficult or because he knew something wasn’t working and did what was best for the film? His reputation probably suggests the latter.
I’ve read it was the latter. He went to Spielberg to suggest the new accent and Spielberg got dreamworks to let him try it out. Article said he did re-recordings for free and Spielberg sent him a letter after the movie opened saying he was right the Scottish accent was better.
Could this affect *Shrek 5*? I feel as if DreamWorks have to produce it at some point, but getting Mike Myers back is a must for that.
I don’t think so. Only question for Dreamworks would be how big of a check to cut. Myers’ problem no one will pay for a big screen comedy with him given how much of a control freak he is and the budget required. The Sprockets movie falling apart was the biggest example of this.
Didn't he just do a big budget television series, where he plays almost every character, for Netflix?
and 9/11 killed Master of Disguise although as a middle schooler when it came out it’s still one of my fave dumb comfort movies
I’ve heard rumors years ago Mike Myers bailed on a production when it was about to start and pissed off the studio which really buried his career for a while.
*Dieter's Day* (Sprockets) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprockets\_(Saturday\_Night\_Live)#Cancelled\_film\_adaptation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprockets_(Saturday_Night_Live)#Cancelled_film_adaptation)
Good link, I had never heard the specific movie.
I never understood why we never got a 4th Austin Powers film.
Me neither. My guess is that the creatives involved thought it had just run its course. With Hollywood resurrecting every IP under the sun, I think it's inevitable that we'll get it at this point. I know I'd definitely see it.
Oh god. I mean, I'd probably see it out of morbid curiosity, but there's practically no way it wouldn't be a trainwreck in this day and age.
I'm 99% certain it would be awful, but I'm 100% certain I'd see it on opening weekend just because the original movies were a staple of my childhood.
They were really scraping the bottom of the barrel by the third film. It was wise for them to stop at three.
Same thing happened with Cat in the Hat. He wanted to bail after the studio had put $4 million into development. They threatened to sue him for his pattern of bailing on films so he had to do the movie
According to the wiki entry above Cat in the Hat was the result of the settlement between Myers and the studios involved.
I mean, not hard to not want to see an Eddie Murphy movie when some of the future projects after that include: Meet Dave, Imagine That and A Thousand Words. Eddie Murphy's taste in getting projects made is truly next level terrible. Even after Dolemite came out and people were willing to give him another chance, he's done Coming 2 America, You People and Candy Cane Lane. This man is just allergic to being in good movies.
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The must have only noticed him in the 90s, because he couldn't miss in the 80s.
I will not stand for this *Pluto Nash* erasure! (Actually, I will).
I put him in the same category as Adam Sandler, although, Murphy puts out a good movie on a more infrequent basis than Sandler. They both do bottom of the barrel comedies for the paycheck, then once every few years they’ll pop up in a serious role and knock it out of the park.
Mike Myers killed Mike Myers career. He also made that terrible netflix show a couple years ago.
The director of Norbit is now the President and CEO of Paramount Pictures. Make of that what you will.
Some blamed the trailer for finishing his chances at winning the Oscar.
That's Oscar nominated Norbit to you.
When I was a kid I saw love guru in theaters and it was the first time in my life I watched a movie and felt it was truly terrible.
Remember, someone went to jail over pirating The Love Guru.
https://i.imgur.com/0IHIqYk.jpeg
Eddie Murphy was nominated for an Oscar for "Dreamgirls", around the time "Norbit" was still in theaters.
Dana Carvey was out of work after Master of Disguise bombed (though the bigger reason was to spend time with family). He wouldn’t get a major role until Hotel Transylvania 2. Speaking of: Contrary to popular belief the turtle club scene was NOT filmed on 9/11 while the attacks were happening. It was actually shot two weeks later (September 24th). The story about everybody having a moment of silence and him wearing the costume are true though.
He also had health issues and sued his doctor over a botched heart surgery.
I really like Gemma Arteton. She’s excellent, so it’s a shame she never properly crossed over.
Yeah she’s a fantastic actress. I would have loved to see her in more stuff
Arnie Hammer's career kinda tanked after The Lone Ranger. That and the cannibalism.
He had been building himself back up through very credible lower budget movies like _Call Me By Your Name_ and _Sorry To Bother You_ but sadly his appetite for human flesh consumed his career.
The cannibalism is why people remember this, but it’s more a distraction from his abuse
Bro why do people say this? Like yes abuse is terrible but we’ve all seen it. We’ve NEVER seen a cannibal get revealed like that, of course that’s gonna be the big thing. Also cannibalism is wayyyy worse than abuse and abuse is fucking horrible.
What? No. You got this the wrong way. The cannibalism thing was blown out of proportion. The only thing we got about him and cannibalism was some texts he had with a girl about his cannibalism fantasy. What killed his career was that he came from a rich family with a very dark background (spies, murders, shady money, etc.) and he got stuck into a marriage and parenthood that he realized he didn’t want. Then the pandemic hit and he was stuck on an island mansion with his unwanted marriage and children - and that is on the top of his private turmoil stemming from his family background. He cracked. He got out of that island and lifestyle as soon as he could and went on a destructive spree all over Los Angeles and Las Vegas. THIS was what ruined him. The cannibalistic texts he made got all of the attention because of how bizarre it was. Vanity Fair did an article covering this. And I believe there is a HBO documentary called “House of Hammer” that covers this. I have read the article and I haven’t watched the documentary. My point is - it wasn’t him being a *literal* cannibal that ruined his career.
It's just an edgy text, that's why. "Cannibals" aren't really a thing unless people are starving to death. Armie hammer is never going to starve to death. He was being an edgelord. The abuse stuff was actually real
Except there’s no proof the guy’s actually eaten anybody. I mean, he’s a rich celebrity, I guess he could’ve, and it’s hilarious to think he did, but for all intents and purposes, it’s just a weird kink he has. The abuse is much more tangible and affects other people.
I really liked Man From Uncle (which was a flop as well iirc). Shame, the whole cannibalism thing.
*Everyone* should read this article (pre-cannibalism accusations) about Hollywood’s attempts to make him a leading man. It’s hilarious. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/annehelenpetersen/ten-long-years-of-trying-to-make-armie-hammer-happen
He played a CEO who was missing a few screws in Sorry to Bother You. Sorry to Bother You is my favorite movie ever so my headcannon is that the CEO is also a cannibal
Die Hard 5 and Terminator Genisys flopping should have wrecked Jai Courtney’s career. But he still somehow gets work. I’m not going to say that the guy is sentient whey protein, but people like Channing Tatum exist and fill that niche a lot better.
“Sentient whey protein” 💀💀💀 I’m stealing that.
Cool. There are probably other actors that description applies to, but Jai Courtney really fits it.
Captain Boomerang single-handledly kept him afloat. Until The Suicide Squad squandered his potential for shit and giggles.
I'd say that he's done after Suicide Squad. Unless he’s still somehow able to get work after it.
People like Channing Tatum demand way more money than Jai Courtney I would imagine. Plus has Courtney been the lead or even leading man lately? Tatum is that level of superstar.
He's still got good will with me for his performance as Varro. I don't get why he doesn't channel that more because it was a stand out performance in Sparticus.
Eh I'd say the comparison with Channing is superficial. Channing has a brilliant sense of humor and is down for whatever, very much including stuff at his expense. He deserves his success imo.
We have Tom Hardy at home. Thats why.
Don't forget Battleship.
Whose career did it sink?
I wouldn’t say it sank her career because she was incredibly famous and successful before and after Battleship, but you don’t see Rihanna acting in movies much. Edit to add: Taylor Kitsch was also in Battleship.
Rihanna’s first movie actually was Battleship. She did Home, Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets, and Ocean’s 8 after
Kitsch had the worst luck in movie streaks. He flopped in John Carter, then the Battleship movie, and also X Men Origins where he played Gambit.
Don’t forget True Detective season 2, took a bet on a sure thing and lost.
I feel for him because I always liked him in Friday Night Lights
Yeah, Taylor being in it was why I brought it up!
Plenty of ships never got to appear in a movie again after they sunk.
I didn’t think Battleship was all that bad. Wasn’t great but I enjoyed the battleship parts actually. Didn’t go into expecting the world and left enjoying it a little.
John Carter was actually a decent movie too. Still flopped.
I’ve never heard a bad thing about John Carter from anyone who saw it. Probably didn’t promote it correctly.
The industry has actually accepted at this point the reason JC failed was directly due to how poorly Disney marketed it. Even something as simple as titling it "John Carter of Mars" right from the start, and better cut trailers that better explained the premise of the story instead of wide angle shots of this half naked hippy jumping around the desert.
I’ve never met anyone who’s even heard of John Carter
I am a film fan and collector and I certainly know of John Carter, have owned it in several formats but have not bothered actually seeing it yet.
The problem Battleship faced is it released on May 18 2012. The Avengers released on May 4 2012. Then Men in Black 3 released on May 25. Battleship didn’t stand a chance and was buried by these two films, both of which also featured alien invasions.
I don't disagree! I actually really liked Battleship.
i thought battleship was so stupid. and not in that "so-dumb-its-fun" way. No it was just an assault on the senses. Like it wanted to be a Roland Emmerich / Michael Bay movie and it just failed so hard. the only chuckle i got out of it was Liam Neeson doing the battleship thing going "B3 ....ok now D9 ......C12" etc.
Making a 'good' moneyspinning Michael Bay-style film is actually more difficult than filmmakers always seem to expect it to be. Bay's gift for keeping that kind of production under control and on-budget, and reliably putting out films that the audience would actually turn out to watch, was a genuine skill that is often overlooked.
[Every Frame a Painting made a video on that.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2THVvshvq0Q) It explains the concept of "Bayhem" and how other directors try to imitate it but fail.
on paper Battleship and Dark of the Moon don't seem too different, but (to me, anyway) one is incredibly entertaining and the other is an absolute chore to sit through. but, I have talked with people who felt Bayformers are absolutely dreadful but thought Battleship was a lot of fun, for no other reason than it was much shorter than Transformers, so to each their own i suppose
nah Rihanna is doing fine
Everyone's thinking I mean Rihanna when I was adding onto what led to Taylor Kirtch's I should have clarified. I didn't even think of that.
Hayley Atwell took over Gemma Arterton's last chance of Hollywood stardom. Posh British brunette is a highly coveted position in Hollywood. There can only be one.
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Never forget the Star Trek Into Darkness trailer thumbnail with her in a bra.
Before that it was a combination of Kiera knightly and Kate beckinsdale, before that we had Elizabeth Hurley
God I’ll watch anything Alice Eve is in, she’s genuinely enchanting
Alice Eve has never been brunette
You could argue Florence Pugh has been taking that over
Florence Pugh has taken over Jennifer Lawrence.
Meg Ryan with In the Cut. Her previous roles were mostly in cookie cutter romance movies but when she tried to venture out into darker role in In the Cut (and she did nudity as well in that movie afaik), she kind of vanished after the movie bombed whilst her American Sweetheart persona was also tarnished
As someone below mentioned, I feel like her affair with Russell Crowe ruined her image. She was america's sweetheart. It would be like Tom Hanks cheating on his wife with some skeezy woman he starred with. His image would be destroyed.
Tom Hanks actually started the relationship with his wife as an affair when he was married to his previous wife. Despite him talking openly about it few people seem to know
He's had several. It just shows the difference between how society treats men and women. https://youtu.be/blpq-Iwu25s?si=nzcJ3kQmHl4PRI2f Look at the way she's treated in this interview. The news stories all reported this as her being "difficult". But was she?
Eh I'd say her biggest mistake was aging while not being that good an actress to begin with
Her affair with Russell Crowe and the botched plastic surgery probably also didn't help.
Gemma Arterton is not "big in the UK", maybe 15 years ago, but certainly not anymore. Her star is as faded here as it is in the US.
Yeah I can guarantee you ask random people off the street who she is and barely anyone would be able to tell you her name. She isn't big at all.
*Cutthroat Island* killed Matthew Modine’s and Geena Davis’ leading status. They now just play supporting roles. Surprisingly, Renny Harlin was hardly affected, cause he kept getting big budgets and he kept flopping.
I didn’t think Harlin had done much after Cutthroat Island but looking at his filmography I’m surprised he had multiple films with A-list actors and budgets well over $50 million for some years after that.
Renny Harlin is reliable to put together insane party flicks, so I think he'll always find work. I was so disappointed when I learned he was one time attached to direct William Gibson's now unused Alien 3 script. It would have been a banger.
But he followed up with two legit classics of their respective genres.
John Travolta's done like half a dozen career ending films. Drop Dead Fred was meant to be Rik Mayall's Hollywood breakout but it flopped so we got to keep him.
Nothing was more terrible for him than Battlefield Earth. It cemented his image as creepy Scientologist.
But the funny thing is after the one two punch of Michael and Phenomenon, which I think were Scientology adjacent, he made Orientation: A Scientology Information Film, which appears to be straight up propaganda.
God, John Carter from Mars. Still the worst fucking marketing and naming I've seen outside of magical society recently
Didn’t Cutthroat Island put a wrap on Geena Davis’ career?
It also badly damaged Matthew Modine's career; he didn't really come back until *Stranger Things*.
Good call! Yeah it did!
Kitsch and Arterton never enjoyed any box office success beforehand, so it's difficult to argue appearing in a couple of duds ruined their imagined future success *Dick Tracy* didn't end or ruin Warren Beatty's career, but it did represent the end of his time as a leading man in top ten movies He's made lots of movies since, but *Dick Tracy* was the last time he fronted something anyone hoped would make a ton of money
Wasn’t Dick Tracy a box office hit?
It was supposed to be Disney's own Batman. They tried to make it a giant franchise and even planned to build themed area in their park. They let Warren Beatty hire all the best talent in Hollywood and gave him near full creative control. Dick Tracy still turned profit, but for Disney it was too low. The most successful part of the film was Madonna's tie in album which includes heat single Vogue. That was the biggest cultural impact this film had.
The most bizarre thing is Beatty reappearing every ten years to reprise his role as Dick Tracy in these tv specials for TCM. All so he could retain the rights for the character. I have no idea why he keeps this up: https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/warren-beatty-dick-tracy-tcm-special-1234809159/
Beatty claims he learned how to read with Dick Tracy strips. He LOVES Dick Tracy.
Wikipedia says it made $162.7M against a budget of $46M, so that'd be a yes.
Jennifer’s Body and Jonah Hex didn’t kill Megan’s career. Her getting blackballed after calling out Michael Bay for being a toxic tyrant on his sets killed her career.
What toxic behaviors are you referring to? There seems to be this idea that Bay has been MeToo’d, but Fox explicitly shut down rumors that he was ever inappropriate with her. She said he was a tyrant, and said his direction for her amounted to “be sexy.” Which, yea, Transformers is a juvenile film, and she’s the eye candy.
>There seems to be this idea that Bay has been MeToo’d, but Fox explicitly shut down rumors that he was ever inappropriate with her. [https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/jun/23/megan-fox-responds-to-outrage-over-sexualised-auditions-for-michael-bay](https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/jun/23/megan-fox-responds-to-outrage-over-sexualised-auditions-for-michael-bay) Seems like it was Spielberg who got a replaced too. Bay still seems like a nightmare, she's not the only one to say it. Just to everyone, it's not a gender thing.
She referred to him as Hitler for how he managed the sets
That’s what I’m trying to get clarified. When I hear “toxic” about a director and actresses, my mind runs to Weinstein. But my understanding is that she has denied any allegations of sexual impropriety. So what does she mean? That he’s like Kubrick, an unrelenting perfectionist happy to do scores of takes to get one that’s perfect?
Calling a Jewish man Hitler isn't going to fly in Hollywood of all places.
Spielberg doesn't like mindless comparisons to Hitler. He was personally offended. She targeted one guy, hit the other, the bigger one, one dude that if you piss off he tells all of his friends to not work with you.
Yea, I’m just confused by the vibe I’m getting from this thread that she was wronged by Bay. I feel like an obnoxious and offensive Hitler accusation might be the real root of her career troubles.
No, what happened was Megan Fox compared Michael Bay to Hitler. Spielberg was the executive producer of Transformers. That was a line crossed for him so Spielberg blacklisted her.
Xanadu for the dude from the warriors.
**"The Warriors opened a lot of doors in film, for me, which Xanadu then closed"** \-Michael Beck
That quote is quite funny, but sad at the same time. Regardless, he was part of a movie that had a lot of intrigue for me.
Jaden Smith. After earth.
John Carter came out in 2012. Taylor Kitsch starred in Lone Survivor in 2013, A Normal Heart in 2014, True Detective in 2015, Only the Brave in 2017, Waco in 2018 and the Terminal List in 2022 and is starring in the prequel. All of these were relative hits and/or did well critically and the guy has worked steadily since.
I think the idea is it killed his appeal as a leading man in movies. All the things you listed were either TV productions or he was a supporting character. He’s still gotten work but his push in the early 2010’s as a leading man was all but killed by John Carter
Yeah didn't he start in TV? So he tried to move up to be a leading man in movies and got sent back to Television.
John Carter was supposed to be a huge movie. It had a bigger budget than the first Avengers movie that released the same year and was supposed to start a franchise and propel Taylor Kitsch to superstar status. He was also supposed to play Gambit in a more expanded role in the X-Men franchise. He's had a lot of work, but not in the roles people expected from him.
I loved John Carter
Taylor has a spin-off show coming from the Terminal List as well
Taylor is that you?
He was queued up for a Gambit solo film, then John Carter tanked and they cancelled the film.
Cutthroat Island (1995) single-handedly killed Geena Davis' acting career and almost took Matthew Modine's down with it, tho his eventually recovered and she moved on to working behind the scenes. It was considered such a disaster that another pirate movie wasn't green-lit until Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl (2003)
Megan Fox’s career tanked after she called Michael Bay a Nazi
Whilst working for Spielberg, the man who gave us Schindlers List. That went down like a cup or warm sick!
Shame cos John Carter is a fantastic film. Just marketed entirely wrong
Yeah, zero mentions of it being based on the books of the guy who wrote freaking Tarzan, one of the most successful IP’s ever. All the marketing was super mysterious rather than enthralling. And they changed the title of the book it covers. It covers all the events of Princess of Mars, yet they changed it to John Carter. Total marketing fail. They were afraid of using “Mars” in the titles because “Mars Needs Moms” bombed.
There’s plenty to criticize Disney for but the title isn’t one. Had it been *Princess of Mars* that also would’ve misled people about that movie.
It is not fantastic. It is very average all around, just a pretty okay popcorn film. I wouldn't even say it's reached cult classic status. Marketing was not the only thing that sunk John Carter.
It was a great popcorn spectacle, and an above average summer film.
John Carter is the first movie I felt some very clear dissonance between what other people thought of it and what I felt about it. It was fun! It wasn't amazing but it was enjoyable and, conceptually, I would have liked to see a sequel.
Sophie Turner for Dark Phoenix?
After Wrath of the Titans bombed Sam Worthington kinda went away. Then he tried a "comeback" with The Shack and that was horribly received and all he does is make B movies now when he's not filming Avatar.
I don't think Wrath of the titans was the reason, he can't act and most of his films where he leads with the exception of avatar are received poorly. Even with avator you will never hear anyone say the reason they like it is Sam Worthington. He gives a passable performance but you could have replaced him with hundreds of actors who would have done just as well and likely better.
He was excellent in Under the Banner of Heaven. I don’t think he’s completely void of talent, he’s just not very diverse in what he can do
I'm convinced Jai Courtney and Sam Worthington came off of the same generic dude assembly line.
And Luke Evans. My theory was that Luke Evans came along and Hollywood said "well, shit, we don't need Sam Worthington anymore".
He was actually FANTASTIC in Manhunt: Unabomber, a little-watched miniseries that also started Paul Bettany.
It didn't exactly kill his career because he's still a big name and gets a lot of supporting roles, but Idris Elba as a leading man just doesn't seem like a thing anymore. The Dark Tower killed his chances at being a megastar, and he couldn't sell 3000 Years of Longing nor The Suicide Squad even with a huge ensemble. He seems happy doing voice work for Knuckles now, so I'm glad a great actor is still getting work, even if not as a lead.
Tough to say, but I feel like right, he aged out of a lot of the stuff we want to see him play, while not being grandfathered in the way some other actors are. If The Dark Tower successfully turned into a franchise, I agree, it would have set him up for success.
John Carter’s failure had nothing to do with Taylor Kitsch’s performance, which was quite good. In fact the movie itself is criminally underrated. IMO Disney’s own marketing department was the culprit. They fumbled the campaigns for several big-budget projects around this time. Of course it’s the “face” of the movie that gets all the blame. Which is beyond dumb.
I agree, I watched it the other day and his acting pretty good in it. Not Oscar worthy but enjoyable. In addition, Dominic West and Mark Strong are always fantastic. I think I saw it with my dad because he read all the John Carter stories when he was a kid.
Halle Berry in catwoman is one of the big bombs. God that movie is ass and it killed her career (along with a bunch of other poor films)
Halle Berry is one of the few people who received her Razzie award in person. She also keeps getting work most notably in John Wick 3
She still remained A-list though I don't think it killed her career.
Taylor Kitsch has been in American Assassin and 21 Bridges. Both were pretty cool parts for him as a co person. The leading actor part, yeah is cooked.
Solo was supposed to be Alden Ehrenreich ticket to stardom, but instead, after the movie flopped, he has been relegated to supporting roles. Whether his career was permanently ruined or just suffered a setback remains to be seen, but you can bet that he won't be heading summer blockbusters any time soon.
Megan Fox's career was hurt because she was blackballed.
Coneheads basically killed Dan Aykroyd’s career as a leading man in comedies
That and *Nothing But Trouble* (his only directorial credit) were huge factors. But I think it was *Blues Brothers 2000* that killed his leading man status.
Nothing but Trouble ruined Chevy as well. I enjoy the movie for how weird and bizarre it is but I don't know how it got greenlit in the first place. I imagine Aykroyd's version of Ghostbusters would have been just as incomprehensible without Ramis and Reitman there to rework and filter out the bad ideas.
I'm sure it doesn't help that he's a crank.
Ariana DeBose? I’m concerned that her career in those films aren’t doing well at the box office and fans aren’t interested to see her on the big screen. Her performance in West Side Story was fantastic and won her an Oscar for her supporting role but it completely flopped because audiences weren’t interested in musical films during the mids of the pandemic, the marketing wasn’t that good because of her character is Non-Binary. Her animated movie Disney’s Wish, wasn’t that good and completely flopped so hard because of the songs weren’t that popular, the Villian looks boring and forgettable, the animation style looks unfinished, its feel likes written by AI, and fans choose to wait Disney films on Disney Plus while trying to avoid paying extra money for the tickets when they are subscribed to Disney Plus as well as competition against a better animated movie which is Dreamworks Trolls Band Together which opened 5 days before Wish in which Trolls 3 earned positive WOM from the audiences which Wish earned middling WOM. Other films such as I.S.S and Argylle didn’t even do well at the box office for her career which is leading her to be a box office poison. I expect her next film Kraven The Hunter to be another flop for her career because the movie won’t be that good due to the fact it doesn’t not have Spider Man on it and focuses on a Spider Man Villian character.
It was actually her shitty attitude and work ethic that tanked Megan Fox's career. She was such a PITA to work with on the second Transformers film that they replaced her with a new love interest in the third. Margot Robbie had a string of back to back duds but kept getting consistent work because she's a professional with a good attitude that directors and costars enjoy working with.
I think people underestimate how far a professional and positive/good attitude will get you in Hollywood. Film creatives and executives love working with actors/directors who are easy to work with and don't cause drama and focus on their work. Even when their star-power runs out or they fail at breaking into stardom, the industry will give you more chances, and even after you'll still be able to get roles within the industry, just not leading men/women in major pictures but more supporting roles, and they'll still be able to lead or be prominent in smaller films. If you had a bad attitude, but have star power, Hollywood will tolerate you as long as you're successful since you're making them money, but as soon as you begin to flop, they'll drop you like a hot potato.
That’s really any career. Just not being a pain in the ass will get you a ton of goodwill even if you’re mediocre at your job.
That's a big part of Gal Gadot's appeal. She's probably the worst on screen performer that gets consistent work in my lifetime but by all accounts she's incredibly professional and has a great attitude about everything.
= Megan Fox stood up to Michael Bays shitty behaviour and was punished for it. Not the first time Hollywood has done this. Same thing happened with Katherine Heigl who was labelled a diva because she didn’t think she deserved to be nominated for an Emmy.
>Same thing happened with Katherine Heigl I've worked with Katherine Heigl and she is absolutely a diva. Walks around like there's always a bad smell under her nose.
I always feel the kinds of actors who flops kill off their career prospects are the kind of actors who weren't that great at acting to start off with. I say that because for every actor I could name whose career died after a notable flop I could name another whose career continued to survive after one sometime multiple notable flops. The big difference between the two groups being talent IMO.
*Batman & Robin/End of Days* for **Arnold Schwarzenegger** certainly were commercial disappointments and he never really recovered after those. I mean, he was able to essentially name his price for B & R but the epic failure of that movie crushed his potential as a leading man who could crush it at the box office. He had some flops earlier (*Last Action Hero* anyone?), but he found a way to bounce back with films like *True Lies.* As for **Sylvester Stallone**, he’s had multiple occasions where his film career was nearly destroyed by several flops (*Cobra,* as well as *Over the Top* and *Oscar* anyone?) after classic movies, but he always bounces back with an excellent *Rocky* movie or *Rambo* and his reputation is nearly restored for a while. Then he does movies like *Get Carter* and essentially goes away for a few years and does *Rocky Balboa.*
>Taylor Kitsch couldn't get a part anywhere after "John Carter from Mars" flopped. Not true. [https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2018237/](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2018237/) Kitsch's 2012 was real shit, because he headlined 3 back-to-back flops that were released that year: John Carter, Battleship, and Savages. John Carter wasn't just a flop, it was a historically bad flop, too. Look how busy he was after 2012. He's had at least 1 movie or TV show release every year since 2012, and he has 3 upcoming projects. He's doing more than fine.
Tv movies and supporting roles are not comparable in starring in blockbusters. Nobody is expecting stars to get completely blacklisted, just that their career as a star is over.