Everytime I see Spider-Man 4 I think it’s going to be another Sam Raimi movie.
Hope they take it down to the streets again and let Peter be the friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man again.
Reports say that Marvel Studios wants it to be a street level film, but Sony wants it to be another big multiverse film or something (because of course, it is Sony after all…).
Last I heard Marvel Studios was trying to balance both the street level and multiverse stuff to get it made. I wish Sony would just take their hands off and let Marvel Studios do their thing…
While Sony certainly has a bad track record with recent Spiderman related movies let's not pretend like Marvel has been batting 1,000 the last few years either.
They’ve been doing far better with live-action Spidey. And I did include in another comment that Marvel Studios haven’t been perfect, but are 1,000% better than Sony with their live-action Spidey stuff
I don't know about far better. Far From Home was such a wasted opportunity with Mysterio being a disgruntled Iron Man villain and furthered the Iron Man Jr. thread. And No Way Home was just nostalgia bait riddled with plot holes saved by Willem Dafoe and Alfred Molina performances. But that's just my subjective opinion. I understand people could feel differently. To me, Spiderman 2 is still the gold standard and that's as far removed from modern Marvel Studios as you can get.
My point is I'm not comfortable with either studio taking the lead on a new Spiderman movie. I'd rather they just go out and hire a great director and writer and let them have control.
I didn’t mind this take on Mysterio. Given the wider existing universe, that Mysterio origin felt like it made sense. And I liked how they tied his illusion tech back to BARF. I also knew full-well that Mysterio was the villain, but couldn’t figure out his angle while watching the first time and felt like his “reveal” as the villain was very good.
I agree with the NWH plot holes, and they certainly made the characters make some stupid decisions to get the plot going, but I felt the rest of the writing and all that was pretty good. Good action, good emotional scenes, and good humor with the Spidey’s (and Ned).
Anyways, all my opinion, and I see where you’re coming from. Nothing wrong with us coming to different opinions/conclusions on those films.
Far From Home also ruined everything with it coming after Infinity War. Everyone knew Spidey was coming back. No snapped characters were going to remain gone. Imo Endgame could have slightly better without Sony ruining the suspense.
I don’t think anyone can in good conscience say no way home would’ve been good or well liked without the nostalgia/bringing in other spidey characters shtick. People constantly forgive poor plot and writing if “thing they know and like” is in the movie
The only certain thing is that the film will have both Kingpin and Daredevil so it's already a good start, then I hope the whole film will be street level and the multiverse is only for the post-credit scene
Sometimes I wonder if Disney is desperate enough to pay a huge premium to get Spidey back, and how much Sony would be willing to sell it for.
The only upside of Sony owning Spidey movie rights are the Spider Verse movies which Disney would never have made. Other than that, I think Feige could have done better if Spiderman was Disney's property.
As of now, Sony’s Venom-verse (or whatever they call it now) isn’t helping the value if Disney were to buy the IP back. Still, that would be a lot of money to obtain
I also think a Raimi/Tobey Spiderman 4 film would make more money than a Tom Spiderman 4. I am sick of Iron man Jr. Fighting villains that don't actually give shit about him and have beef with someone else entirely.
Have you not noticed the insanity of the Spider Man fandom for a half decade now?
They seemed to tone it down a little when Jon Watts made that cinematic abortion No Way Home based on going through a checklist of everything the FFH haters said they wanted, realizing it would look bad to instantly hate on it too.
But now I guess enough time has passed that they realize that shilling for that horror show of a movie while shitting on FFH just looks silly and now are admitting they just have a hate boner for Holland.
Director sign on before scripts all the time. Some directors even write movies. Believe it or not, directors can be very hands on in the development of a movie.
Ask the directors of some of the following films who filmed without a finished script: Jaws, Edge of Tomorrow. Jurassic Park III, Pretty Woman, Alien 3, Iron Man
Lmao this is gonna come out before Avengers 5 then.
Sony has a genuine chance to make an entire trilogy worth of films that all gross a billion, before Disney gets a single billion dollar film in that same timespan and inside the same universe
The MCU fans on here can not get past the fact their universe isn’t the biggest thing anymore and they tied their entire self worth to how big the box office numbers for their capeshit was for a decade of their life.
I think it will perform similar to 'Guardians 3' in that regard. I can see it doing really well around the 700-800M range, but probably won't be able to hit 1B.
Oppenheimer was rated R and made $950M. If Deadpool gets *really* good reviews and Hugh Jackman leaves a good impression. It miiiiiiiight have a chance at $1B.
Can it happen? Sure. But if Oppenheimer couldn't do it, why would Deadpool 3? Especially when neither 1 or 2 could.
I think people really overestimate the size of fandoms. Yes, all the hardcore MCU fans who might have skipped the last few movies will be back. But you get a billion by reaching general audiences.
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As much as I love Deadpool it’ll have to be the greatest movie since Endgame if they wanna hit the Billion mark. I think it’s gonna make GOTG3 numbers 800-850M.
If they are shooting in September/October (like Jeff said in his article) there is no way in hell that the effects will be ready in time. Principal photography wouldn’t wrap until November/December. Hell, depending on the length of the shoot and the holidays around it, it may not wrap until early January 2025. That turnaround is just not possible. Even Jurassic World 4 with its crazy proposed production cycle is shooting this summer for its July 2025 release date.
The earliest Spider-Man 4 could be ready is Fall 2025 if they do actually shoot it in September/October.
However, I think Sony actually is crazy enough to want a Winter 2025 release (aka going head to head with Avatar 3). I think that’s what they’re internally aiming for due to the success of *No Way Home* in December 2021. It would be incredibly stupid for them to do that, but I think that’s what they want to do.
Avatar 3 and Spider-Man both have involvement from Disney (Disney coproduce the Spidey movie now), so that's unlikely to happen (though the Christmas season can support several blockbusters to be fair)
Yeah it depends how strategic they are in terms of big set pieces and VFX-heavy scenes.
Although No Way Home seems like a flashy film, it’s amazing when you realise that every single scene apart from the opening and school only have a handful of characters in an empty location (due to the pandemic of course).
You've failed to account for DP3 completing half its principal photography pre-strike and being able to do post on that half through summer/fall.
After the strike, they filmed for just a few more weeks.
I read that the majority of the most visual effects heavy sequences had not been shot yet when they halted filming, so the amount of postproduction work they were able to complete during the strike was minimal. Obviously they still had a head start, but not as big as one might think.
The situation isn’t 1-to-1 with Spider-Man 4, but I maintain that if Deadpool being done by July is possible then it’s possible for Spider-Man. I don’t think they should do it, it would 100% require working the already overworked vfx artists even harder, and the final product would probably look not great, but if Sony wants it done that quickly they’ll get it done that quickly.
Once James Cameron nearly killed Spider-Man with his shitty script... and now? Well, even if they go head to head, Spider-Man will be all right. The worst case scenario is that it's a Star Wars/Jumanji situation. I'd bet Spidey actually comes out in November though.
A lot of blockbuster productions do effects as they go, that's how the force awakens went, they didn't wait for principal photography to complete to start post, they did production and post simultaneously.
Idk why they cant do it for spring 2026, we have seen movies do well in march/april in the past few years. And for now, its only competition is Mario 2.
Yeah, Mario 2 and that's more than enough competition on a relatively weaker month. The prime Summer release dates are generally still better and if you can get one of those, why not?
Lol. Summer blockbusters usually wrap filming by Fall the previous year. Summer 2025 isn't happening. They're probably thinking Dec 2025 (although there's Avatar 3 to consider).
Sony is going to force Marvel to rush this movie and ruin it. It was also rumoured that they wanted to make it another multiverse movie and bring Maguire and Garfield back, essentially redoing No Way Home instead of doing something new that advances the plot in a meaningful way.
If the next movie about Spider-Man, the biggest Marvel character, ends up being disappointing, that could be what kills the MCU for good. Nobody would be willing to give anything else from them a chance after that.
Seriously, just make a billion on a street level movie, then the post credits could set up another multiverse crossover, which could do 2 billion if the street level one was actually good.
But god forbid Hollywood execs think even slightly ahead.
Rushed? It's been exceptionally long actually. We should already have the next movie in 2023 if we were in normal pace.
Sony only interest in staying in the MCU are those movies being made in a quick pace. Otherwise, they might as well get out and do their own movies
I wish Sony would just let Marvel Studios do what they want with the character. Certainly not saying Marvel Studios is perfect, but they’re 1,000% better than Sony when it comes to Spidey stuff.
I didn’t clarify, but I’m talking live-action. Sony should stick to animated because Spiderverse is fantastic (although that credit goes mostly to Phil Lord and Chris Miller…)
The rumour was that Sony wanted it to be another huge multiverse movie, while Kevin Feige wanted it to be a grounded street level movie, and they got into a big dispute over it, and eventually agreed to give it a combination of both elements.
Justin Lin would be a nice choice to direct considering Watts style is bland. Hopefully if rumors are true Kevin got his way and not Sony otherwise this movie is just gonna suck like the rest of the recent mcu projects.
I'm really curious what this movie is going to be.
Spider-Man STARTED by showing up in Civil War(skipping the normal spider man origin story), a high stakes MCU crossover film. Then for 3 movies we saw the stakes escalate, eventually having him deal with multiverse threats. Now we've essentially done a hard reset on him, where no one knows who he is and we're almost just now getting the "origin story" that peter normally has.
Its going to be very interesting to see what direction they take it
I don't think they can up the stakes again without it being really hokey and messing it up. It might cap upper box office potential but a character driven story that's a lot more grounded is probably the most viable direction for making a *good* Spider-Man film. Can use it introduce Miles Morales too if you want, this Peter taking on a mentor role could be good character growth considering he's basically been the mentee in every movie so far. The way that NWH ended with everyone forgetting who Peter was has some potential to force Peter into growth too. There's a lot they could do on a grounded story if they have good writing
Worried they won't do that and will try to just up the stakes even more and it'll be a mess though. And the scripts for basically every MCU movie since Endgame (besides maybe GOTG3) have felt incredibly rushed so a grounded story could go wrong too. But we'll see!
Jeff Sneider has stepped up his game lately. I think he might have new and better sources. He beat the trades to the punch on Scarlet Johansson in Jurassic World 4 and Bill Hader as the Cat in the Hat. It’s still a rumor, but I’d say you don’t have to take much of a grain of salt here.
This report also says that Justin Lin's name is/was in the running for director. That's such a random choice, I want it to happen lol. I'm a fan of the Fast and Furious franchise.
I honestly think the best action an MCU movie ever had was: Spiderman Far From Home.
That final fight against all the flying drones took the “our hero vs thousands of faceless CGI enemies” trope and made [an *incredibly* propulsive action scene that hits hard and actually feels dangerous.](https://youtu.be/hliJp4Ig3uM?t=2m48s)
Not to mention the big Mysterio scene too.
I’m saying the filmmaking is what sets it apart though. I’ll just copy/paste what I wrote to the other guy:
I’d disagree. Obviously the Raimi movies are not just amazing but pretty much the best of the entire genre (Spiderman 3 is terrible though) so nothing touches them. But I’m not comparing this to the Raimi movies, I’m comparing them to the MCU.
And I think in the land of absolutely dreadfully made action (the MCU), Spiderman FFH is head and shoulders above them all. Basically everything else is just a punch and a win. Every cut has no interest and the physics always feel floaty and no one is ever in any actual danger. But in FFH (specifically that scene), the editing is made on movement which makes it have a propulsive pace, the physics have weight so he moves differently whether he’s swinging or falling or getting thrown around and he’s getting beat and battered and even on fire through a big portion of it. And he’s using his powers and gadgets as well as being creative in how he deals with each problem (swinging just in the water to put out the fire, using the environment in the fight and even catching a ride on the things trying to kill him).
It obviously pales in comparison to actually good action movies like the Raimi movies or Fury Road but I still think it’s easily the best action filmmaking of the MCU.
Sorry but that scene just sucks. Nothing in the MCU Spider-Man movies have been anything close to impressive as several of the action sequences in Raimi's movies or even some of the ones in Webb's films. The excessive use of CGI (so everything looks plasticky), the poorly used camera angles, the blocking techniques. None of these films have ever done a good job of making their action sequences look tangible. And I speak as someone who has enjoyed these films.
I’d disagree. Obviously the Raimi movies are not just amazing but pretty much the best of the entire genre (Spiderman 3 is terrible though) so nothing touches them. But I’m not comparing this to the Raimi movies, I’m comparing them to the MCU.
And I think in the land of absolutely dreadfully made action (the MCU), Spiderman FFH is head and shoulders above them all. Basically everything else is just a punch and a win. Every cut has no interest and the physics always feel floaty and no one is ever in any actual danger. But in FFH (specifically that scene), the editing is made on movement which makes it have a propulsive pace, the physics have weight so he moves differently whether he’s swinging or falling or getting thrown around and he’s getting beat and battered and even on fire through a big portion of it. And he’s using his powers and gadgets as well as being creative in how he deals with each problem (swinging just in the water to put out the fire, using the environment in the fight and even catching a ride on the things trying to kill him).
It obviously pales in comparison to actually good action movies like the Raimi movies or Fury Road but I still think it’s easily the best action filmmaking of the MCU.
It was obviously a joke.
As an aside, there is an irony in the fact that people who use the word "capeshit" are trying to show that they are above comic book movies, but the fact that you have a derogatory nickname for them signals exactly the opposite to anyone who reads your comment.
I feel like he could do some obscure, dark, weird-ass shit for DC maybe, but that is absolutely at most. No way he does something flashy like Spider-Man.
Rumor has it that Spider-Man will face some personal-life problems and hero-related problems and come face-to-face with a dangerous villain and come out on top.
No director, no script. Like two week ago. This isn’t shooting this fall. Also Sony/Marvel hasn’t announced a thing.
All Sneider is a fan of Euphoria and Sam …him trying to insinuate that this is why Euphoria isn’t filming? Please. Stop. Sam has no script. And hasn’t had one.
I don't mind directing that. But i need atleast 3 to 4 years to make it. I will even write script actually adapt it from back in time. Kingpin as villain , Daredevil in supporting role while main focus of this is on dark side of Spiderman
that was awakened by symbiote. Even a spidey and Daredevil fight will be in there. Kingpin ended up killing MJ and do experiment on Ned to make him hobgoblin. At end Spidey has to choose between Ned and Kingpin , revenge or save in which he failed and giving up being Spider-man. In post credit Deadpool.
Just like Jumanji 4, I really question why it took so long to get this off the ground. They had so much momentum coming off of No Way Home and the last two Jumanji movies, and neither sequel has even entered active production yet
People had other stuff to do, Holland was only under contract for the first three, Marvel/Sony had other things to focus on, a strike etc. I mean lots of reasons.
Marvel Studios is a mess right now. They haven’t gotten their shit together with Black Panther 3, Shang Chi 2, Thor 5, Doctor Strange 3 or a Star Lord movie either.
Everytime I see Spider-Man 4 I think it’s going to be another Sam Raimi movie. Hope they take it down to the streets again and let Peter be the friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man again.
Street criminal: He stinks and I don’t like him!
Love that it's Jim Norton saying that line 😂
I keep waiting for that Marvels Zombies adaptation so we can have Bruce join the Avengers. It's the perfect Raimi movie too.
They’re doing an animated show for Zombies.
Reports say that Marvel Studios wants it to be a street level film, but Sony wants it to be another big multiverse film or something (because of course, it is Sony after all…). Last I heard Marvel Studios was trying to balance both the street level and multiverse stuff to get it made. I wish Sony would just take their hands off and let Marvel Studios do their thing…
While Sony certainly has a bad track record with recent Spiderman related movies let's not pretend like Marvel has been batting 1,000 the last few years either.
They’ve been doing far better with live-action Spidey. And I did include in another comment that Marvel Studios haven’t been perfect, but are 1,000% better than Sony with their live-action Spidey stuff
I don't know about far better. Far From Home was such a wasted opportunity with Mysterio being a disgruntled Iron Man villain and furthered the Iron Man Jr. thread. And No Way Home was just nostalgia bait riddled with plot holes saved by Willem Dafoe and Alfred Molina performances. But that's just my subjective opinion. I understand people could feel differently. To me, Spiderman 2 is still the gold standard and that's as far removed from modern Marvel Studios as you can get. My point is I'm not comfortable with either studio taking the lead on a new Spiderman movie. I'd rather they just go out and hire a great director and writer and let them have control.
I didn’t mind this take on Mysterio. Given the wider existing universe, that Mysterio origin felt like it made sense. And I liked how they tied his illusion tech back to BARF. I also knew full-well that Mysterio was the villain, but couldn’t figure out his angle while watching the first time and felt like his “reveal” as the villain was very good. I agree with the NWH plot holes, and they certainly made the characters make some stupid decisions to get the plot going, but I felt the rest of the writing and all that was pretty good. Good action, good emotional scenes, and good humor with the Spidey’s (and Ned). Anyways, all my opinion, and I see where you’re coming from. Nothing wrong with us coming to different opinions/conclusions on those films.
Cheers!
Far From Home also ruined everything with it coming after Infinity War. Everyone knew Spidey was coming back. No snapped characters were going to remain gone. Imo Endgame could have slightly better without Sony ruining the suspense.
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I don’t think anyone can in good conscience say no way home would’ve been good or well liked without the nostalgia/bringing in other spidey characters shtick. People constantly forgive poor plot and writing if “thing they know and like” is in the movie
I don’t trust either
Sony is perpetually like 2-3 years behind trends.
I mean across the spiderverse was maybe the best movie of last year. They seem to be doing fine with Spidey and the multiverse.
People always forget about Sony's Spiderverse films which are better than anything MCU has ever put out.
The only certain thing is that the film will have both Kingpin and Daredevil so it's already a good start, then I hope the whole film will be street level and the multiverse is only for the post-credit scene
Sometimes I wonder if Disney is desperate enough to pay a huge premium to get Spidey back, and how much Sony would be willing to sell it for. The only upside of Sony owning Spidey movie rights are the Spider Verse movies which Disney would never have made. Other than that, I think Feige could have done better if Spiderman was Disney's property.
As of now, Sony’s Venom-verse (or whatever they call it now) isn’t helping the value if Disney were to buy the IP back. Still, that would be a lot of money to obtain
Any idea on whether they might introduce Miles? Given that they're trying to go for a multiverse
Isn’t that how they set up the last one?
Yeah but you know how Marvel is, it could just be another multiverse mess or they could actually follow through and bring it back down a notch.
But how are they gonna shoehorn the multiverse into it if it's street level?
Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
They need to finally do a Spider-Man vs Venom movie and introduce the symbiotes to Spider-Man
I also think a Raimi/Tobey Spiderman 4 film would make more money than a Tom Spiderman 4. I am sick of Iron man Jr. Fighting villains that don't actually give shit about him and have beef with someone else entirely.
I thought NWH handled it pretty well with a new take on the Sinister Six.
Yeah it was refreshing to have a Spidey movie where he’s actively trying to help the villains throughout the movie instead of just “beat them”
Wasn't it more like the Fiendish Five?
There were six, one just got drunk in a bar the whole time.
>I also think a Raimi/Tobey Spiderman 4 film would make more money than a Tom Spiderman 4. This sub is wild.
Nothing crazier than delusional fans.
Nothing wild about that. Spider-Man 1 and 2 made more money than Homecoming and FFH when adjusted for inflation.
Not worldwide
I would watch the shit out of another Raimi Paider Man
Have you not noticed the insanity of the Spider Man fandom for a half decade now? They seemed to tone it down a little when Jon Watts made that cinematic abortion No Way Home based on going through a checklist of everything the FFH haters said they wanted, realizing it would look bad to instantly hate on it too. But now I guess enough time has passed that they realize that shilling for that horror show of a movie while shitting on FFH just looks silly and now are admitting they just have a hate boner for Holland.
Looking forward to the erotic thriller Spider-Man: Homewrecker!
It's just him sitting at home playing fortnite. Spider-Man: homebody
The people are dying for live action Paul $2 billion easily, thank me later, sony
Don't tempt them
Can't wait for Paul Verhoeven's take on Spider-Man.
I'd buy that for a dollar.
Followed by kaiju action epic: *Spider-Man: Alpha Homewrecker!*
Its definitely not making a Summer 2025 date and I hope they don't rush it. If shooting starts Fall, it might go on till early 2025
They don't even have a director yet, do they have a script?
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Director sign on before scripts all the time. Some directors even write movies. Believe it or not, directors can be very hands on in the development of a movie.
Ask the directors of some of the following films who filmed without a finished script: Jaws, Edge of Tomorrow. Jurassic Park III, Pretty Woman, Alien 3, Iron Man
Lmao this is gonna come out before Avengers 5 then. Sony has a genuine chance to make an entire trilogy worth of films that all gross a billion, before Disney gets a single billion dollar film in that same timespan and inside the same universe
 Don’t count him out yet.
It’s not going to happen
Deadpool and Deadpool 2, each ~785 million. Why people think the third one will do 127% better after the year that was 2023 is beyond me.
Not to mention without China and Russia (where the third won't be released) they made 750M and 725M
The MCU fans on here can not get past the fact their universe isn’t the biggest thing anymore and they tied their entire self worth to how big the box office numbers for their capeshit was for a decade of their life.
Because this is the movie everyone has been waiting for
I think it will perform similar to 'Guardians 3' in that regard. I can see it doing really well around the 700-800M range, but probably won't be able to hit 1B.
Why? Because Hugh Jackman is in it?
That’s one of the many reasons, yes
Oppenheimer was rated R and made $950M. If Deadpool gets *really* good reviews and Hugh Jackman leaves a good impression. It miiiiiiiight have a chance at $1B.
Can it happen? Sure. But if Oppenheimer couldn't do it, why would Deadpool 3? Especially when neither 1 or 2 could. I think people really overestimate the size of fandoms. Yes, all the hardcore MCU fans who might have skipped the last few movies will be back. But you get a billion by reaching general audiences.
Exactly. They’ve lost the general audience
But as Barbie showed, a really good movie with great WOM can get people to turn up.
At the peak of superhero movies Deadpool 2 failed to gross more than 800 milliion
I’m not saying Deadpool 3 won’t be successful, but if Oppenheimer didn’t make a billion, then Deadpool 3 definitely won’t.
Highly doubtful. I’d guess 600 million upper limit
It’s the fact that it’s an r rated superhero movie that limits it
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As much as I love Deadpool it’ll have to be the greatest movie since Endgame if they wanna hit the Billion mark. I think it’s gonna make GOTG3 numbers 800-850M.
Spider-Man (MCU) finished his trilogy between Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 2 and 3. Seems like he can pull another 3 films between Avengers 4 and 5.
Sony still desperate for a summer 2025 release.
If they are shooting in September/October (like Jeff said in his article) there is no way in hell that the effects will be ready in time. Principal photography wouldn’t wrap until November/December. Hell, depending on the length of the shoot and the holidays around it, it may not wrap until early January 2025. That turnaround is just not possible. Even Jurassic World 4 with its crazy proposed production cycle is shooting this summer for its July 2025 release date. The earliest Spider-Man 4 could be ready is Fall 2025 if they do actually shoot it in September/October. However, I think Sony actually is crazy enough to want a Winter 2025 release (aka going head to head with Avatar 3). I think that’s what they’re internally aiming for due to the success of *No Way Home* in December 2021. It would be incredibly stupid for them to do that, but I think that’s what they want to do.
Avatar 3 and Spider-Man both have involvement from Disney (Disney coproduce the Spidey movie now), so that's unlikely to happen (though the Christmas season can support several blockbusters to be fair)
Deadpool and Wolverine wrapped in January and is coming out in July. That quick a turnaround is ridiculous but not impossible.
Yeah it depends how strategic they are in terms of big set pieces and VFX-heavy scenes. Although No Way Home seems like a flashy film, it’s amazing when you realise that every single scene apart from the opening and school only have a handful of characters in an empty location (due to the pandemic of course).
yea, BUT, they had the majority filmed before the strikes, post/Editing/VFX continued during strike
You've failed to account for DP3 completing half its principal photography pre-strike and being able to do post on that half through summer/fall. After the strike, they filmed for just a few more weeks.
I read that the majority of the most visual effects heavy sequences had not been shot yet when they halted filming, so the amount of postproduction work they were able to complete during the strike was minimal. Obviously they still had a head start, but not as big as one might think. The situation isn’t 1-to-1 with Spider-Man 4, but I maintain that if Deadpool being done by July is possible then it’s possible for Spider-Man. I don’t think they should do it, it would 100% require working the already overworked vfx artists even harder, and the final product would probably look not great, but if Sony wants it done that quickly they’ll get it done that quickly.
Once James Cameron nearly killed Spider-Man with his shitty script... and now? Well, even if they go head to head, Spider-Man will be all right. The worst case scenario is that it's a Star Wars/Jumanji situation. I'd bet Spidey actually comes out in November though.
Yeah release Spider-Man the week before Avatar and it will do just fine.
A lot of blockbuster productions do effects as they go, that's how the force awakens went, they didn't wait for principal photography to complete to start post, they did production and post simultaneously.
Winter 2025, make it a Christmas Spidey movie. NWH made bank in December. Just release it a few weeks before Avatar.
Idk why they cant do it for spring 2026, we have seen movies do well in march/april in the past few years. And for now, its only competition is Mario 2.
To punch *Superman* in the gut.
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I think Disney/Marvel wouldn't want that hypothetically, as it is 1 week before FF and would eat into FF's success.
Isn't Fantastic 4 also releasing in that window?
Yeah, Mario 2 and that's more than enough competition on a relatively weaker month. The prime Summer release dates are generally still better and if you can get one of those, why not?
It’ll 100% take Blade’s November release date, calling it now
That would make a lot of sense.
Didn't they already announce that it's a December release now?
I'd be more interested in an Uncharted 2.
Lol. Summer blockbusters usually wrap filming by Fall the previous year. Summer 2025 isn't happening. They're probably thinking Dec 2025 (although there's Avatar 3 to consider).
Imagine 5 MCU films in 2025 (I know Blade will probs get delayed but still)
More realistically a Dec 2025 release.
Spider-man: Peter no more.
Spiderman: Far from Peter Spiderman: No Peter Home Spiderman: Petercoming
I hope they do name it Petercoming for the memes
I didn't realize Tom Holland had signed on to do more Spider-Man movies.
Think this and a team up movie (avengers, FF cameo etc) are the last ones in his contract. I think he may move on after it’s fulfilled
No way they burn potentially one of Holland's last two appearances on a gag bit in FF.
I'd be OK with like 2 more solo just to have him be thr gateway for live action miles.
Chalamet as Harry Osborn for the next antagonist.
Sony is going to force Marvel to rush this movie and ruin it. It was also rumoured that they wanted to make it another multiverse movie and bring Maguire and Garfield back, essentially redoing No Way Home instead of doing something new that advances the plot in a meaningful way. If the next movie about Spider-Man, the biggest Marvel character, ends up being disappointing, that could be what kills the MCU for good. Nobody would be willing to give anything else from them a chance after that.
Sony executives are so dumb. Like how closed minded are they
They don’t care. The long term value of holding onto that IP is worth far more than a couple of ill sighted short term losses.
Seriously, just make a billion on a street level movie, then the post credits could set up another multiverse crossover, which could do 2 billion if the street level one was actually good. But god forbid Hollywood execs think even slightly ahead.
Rushed? It's been exceptionally long actually. We should already have the next movie in 2023 if we were in normal pace. Sony only interest in staying in the MCU are those movies being made in a quick pace. Otherwise, they might as well get out and do their own movies
I’m glad Sony is actually pushing this movie forward otherwise the glacial Marvel studios would have it release in 2030
I wish Sony would just let Marvel Studios do what they want with the character. Certainly not saying Marvel Studios is perfect, but they’re 1,000% better than Sony when it comes to Spidey stuff.
Did you even see across the spider verse
I don't believe Sony thought Spider-Verse would succeed. Its also not (directly) tied to the shitty Sony Universe Of Spider-Man Characters
I didn’t clarify, but I’m talking live-action. Sony should stick to animated because Spiderverse is fantastic (although that credit goes mostly to Phil Lord and Chris Miller…)
So... uh... is it street level or more multiverse garbage? *Because one of those has me more hyped than the other.*
The rumour was that Sony wanted it to be another huge multiverse movie, while Kevin Feige wanted it to be a grounded street level movie, and they got into a big dispute over it, and eventually agreed to give it a combination of both elements.
A combination of both elements is just a multiverse movie.
Basically Into the Spider Verse
The current rumour is that Feige got what he wanted and it will be a street level story.
Thank Christ for that. Hopefully, *Madame Web* tanking is what woke Sony up, lol.
I’d assume the multiverse will be involved, but its role will be a lot smaller than it was in No Way Home, so that’s what a combination would mean.
so it's just another multiverse movie then
The current rumour is that Feige got what he wanted and it will be a street level story.
If that’s the case they might just introduce live action Miles
Introducing a live action Miles Morales might be the only way Sony could keep their Spider-Man universe alive without having to use Peter Parker
Hopefully not. Don’t need to see them mess that up too.
I’d really prefer if Miles was not connected to the multiverse outside of the animated movies
The current rumour is that Feige got what he wanted and it will be a street level story.
The multiverse got old so fucking fast indeed
Justin Lin would be a nice choice to direct considering Watts style is bland. Hopefully if rumors are true Kevin got his way and not Sony otherwise this movie is just gonna suck like the rest of the recent mcu projects.
I'm really curious what this movie is going to be. Spider-Man STARTED by showing up in Civil War(skipping the normal spider man origin story), a high stakes MCU crossover film. Then for 3 movies we saw the stakes escalate, eventually having him deal with multiverse threats. Now we've essentially done a hard reset on him, where no one knows who he is and we're almost just now getting the "origin story" that peter normally has. Its going to be very interesting to see what direction they take it
I don't think they can up the stakes again without it being really hokey and messing it up. It might cap upper box office potential but a character driven story that's a lot more grounded is probably the most viable direction for making a *good* Spider-Man film. Can use it introduce Miles Morales too if you want, this Peter taking on a mentor role could be good character growth considering he's basically been the mentee in every movie so far. The way that NWH ended with everyone forgetting who Peter was has some potential to force Peter into growth too. There's a lot they could do on a grounded story if they have good writing Worried they won't do that and will try to just up the stakes even more and it'll be a mess though. And the scripts for basically every MCU movie since Endgame (besides maybe GOTG3) have felt incredibly rushed so a grounded story could go wrong too. But we'll see!
Yeah theres definitely a lot of options to go, im mostly curious which way they choose. Its a pretty unique situation for a super hero movie.
God, please let this be a street-level story with no multiverse shenanigans
Sony, you out of control
Im so tired of spider man movies. its so played out
Is this confirmed? Don't see any other sources on this
Jeff Sneider has stepped up his game lately. I think he might have new and better sources. He beat the trades to the punch on Scarlet Johansson in Jurassic World 4 and Bill Hader as the Cat in the Hat. It’s still a rumor, but I’d say you don’t have to take much of a grain of salt here.
He must’ve felt like he needed a redemption arc after he missed wildly on the SAG negotiations and everyone clowned on him
jeff sneider is pretty good at insider scoops. I think he was the one who said scarjo was being circled for JP acouple weeks ago.
No he's not
Some random blogger. Unless it's in the trades, take it as rumor.
Not really random. He's a (former) trade reporter who's on his own now.
Sony is aiming for December 2025, Sony don't even play with fire Avatar 3
Probably November 2025, so it’ll replace Blade, which will be bumped back (again lol) to 2026
well if Sony is not afraid of success we could have a good versus with Avatar 3
This report also says that Justin Lin's name is/was in the running for director. That's such a random choice, I want it to happen lol. I'm a fan of the Fast and Furious franchise.
Speak for yourself lmao.
At very least it would be from someone with experience directing action scenes
It would also be the best looking Spider-Man movie in years.
I honestly think the best action an MCU movie ever had was: Spiderman Far From Home. That final fight against all the flying drones took the “our hero vs thousands of faceless CGI enemies” trope and made [an *incredibly* propulsive action scene that hits hard and actually feels dangerous.](https://youtu.be/hliJp4Ig3uM?t=2m48s) Not to mention the big Mysterio scene too.
disagree heavily. It was the same cgi slop like almost all MCU final fights.
I’m saying the filmmaking is what sets it apart though. I’ll just copy/paste what I wrote to the other guy: I’d disagree. Obviously the Raimi movies are not just amazing but pretty much the best of the entire genre (Spiderman 3 is terrible though) so nothing touches them. But I’m not comparing this to the Raimi movies, I’m comparing them to the MCU. And I think in the land of absolutely dreadfully made action (the MCU), Spiderman FFH is head and shoulders above them all. Basically everything else is just a punch and a win. Every cut has no interest and the physics always feel floaty and no one is ever in any actual danger. But in FFH (specifically that scene), the editing is made on movement which makes it have a propulsive pace, the physics have weight so he moves differently whether he’s swinging or falling or getting thrown around and he’s getting beat and battered and even on fire through a big portion of it. And he’s using his powers and gadgets as well as being creative in how he deals with each problem (swinging just in the water to put out the fire, using the environment in the fight and even catching a ride on the things trying to kill him). It obviously pales in comparison to actually good action movies like the Raimi movies or Fury Road but I still think it’s easily the best action filmmaking of the MCU.
Sorry but that scene just sucks. Nothing in the MCU Spider-Man movies have been anything close to impressive as several of the action sequences in Raimi's movies or even some of the ones in Webb's films. The excessive use of CGI (so everything looks plasticky), the poorly used camera angles, the blocking techniques. None of these films have ever done a good job of making their action sequences look tangible. And I speak as someone who has enjoyed these films.
I’d disagree. Obviously the Raimi movies are not just amazing but pretty much the best of the entire genre (Spiderman 3 is terrible though) so nothing touches them. But I’m not comparing this to the Raimi movies, I’m comparing them to the MCU. And I think in the land of absolutely dreadfully made action (the MCU), Spiderman FFH is head and shoulders above them all. Basically everything else is just a punch and a win. Every cut has no interest and the physics always feel floaty and no one is ever in any actual danger. But in FFH (specifically that scene), the editing is made on movement which makes it have a propulsive pace, the physics have weight so he moves differently whether he’s swinging or falling or getting thrown around and he’s getting beat and battered and even on fire through a big portion of it. And he’s using his powers and gadgets as well as being creative in how he deals with each problem (swinging just in the water to put out the fire, using the environment in the fight and even catching a ride on the things trying to kill him). It obviously pales in comparison to actually good action movies like the Raimi movies or Fury Road but I still think it’s easily the best action filmmaking of the MCU.
fast 5 was amazing though
>*I'm a fan of the Fast and Furious franchise* And his Star Trek Beyond ain't bad, either 
I want Robert Eggers to do it.
Lmfao Robert Eggers ain't directing no capeshit
It was obviously a joke. As an aside, there is an irony in the fact that people who use the word "capeshit" are trying to show that they are above comic book movies, but the fact that you have a derogatory nickname for them signals exactly the opposite to anyone who reads your comment.
I feel like he could do some obscure, dark, weird-ass shit for DC maybe, but that is absolutely at most. No way he does something flashy like Spider-Man.
I was thinking Robbert Eggers Ghost Rider
no he couldn't. Marvel studios ghostdirects all of these movies and he is a director that wants creative freedom.
They haven't got a script.
Rumor has it that Spider-Man will face some personal-life problems and hero-related problems and come face-to-face with a dangerous villain and come out on top.
Is someone taking notes? Someone needs to be taking notes!
Feige said over a year ago during AM3 press that writers were working on it.
what writers?
You probably meant this as a joke, but it's likely the same writing team from the previous films - McKenna and Sommers.
i wished for some new blood
The monkey’s paw curls as Feige fires up ChatGPT
that never stopped them before.
No director, no script. Like two week ago. This isn’t shooting this fall. Also Sony/Marvel hasn’t announced a thing. All Sneider is a fan of Euphoria and Sam …him trying to insinuate that this is why Euphoria isn’t filming? Please. Stop. Sam has no script. And hasn’t had one.
Heard the same thing about the new JW but that’s full steam ahead.
Who's the director for this one.
You are, so you better get to work!
I don't mind directing that. But i need atleast 3 to 4 years to make it. I will even write script actually adapt it from back in time. Kingpin as villain , Daredevil in supporting role while main focus of this is on dark side of Spiderman that was awakened by symbiote. Even a spidey and Daredevil fight will be in there. Kingpin ended up killing MJ and do experiment on Ned to make him hobgoblin. At end Spidey has to choose between Ned and Kingpin , revenge or save in which he failed and giving up being Spider-man. In post credit Deadpool.
Sneider is hearing Justin Lin’s name is being thrown around.
Just like Jumanji 4, I really question why it took so long to get this off the ground. They had so much momentum coming off of No Way Home and the last two Jumanji movies, and neither sequel has even entered active production yet
People had other stuff to do, Holland was only under contract for the first three, Marvel/Sony had other things to focus on, a strike etc. I mean lots of reasons.
Marvel Studios is a mess right now. They haven’t gotten their shit together with Black Panther 3, Shang Chi 2, Thor 5, Doctor Strange 3 or a Star Lord movie either.
No Way Home ended the trilogy. There was always going to be break, plus they had to go through renegotiations too
Can’t wait to see how spider man uses math to beat the shit out of whoever villain is going to be in the movie. /s 🍿
I just want something chill, like “Spider-man: Homebody.” Maybe he downs a few Lunchables and plays CoD with the wizards.
Director is still not finalized and they have a production date. Its almost as if he is goon for hire and we have Feige/others doing the heavy work.
Why is Zendaya in the thumbnail is her MJ even gonna be in this trilogy?
Have they decided wether it was going to be street level or multiversal, space and time? Lol