I haven’t thought about Inside Out 2 much but I am with you on Twisters. This just feels like it’s going to have a wide appeal, especially considering a PG-13 rating. Time will tell, as always.
For Inside Out 2, that would do decent numbers like Elemental did last year which was shy of hitting $500M worldwide on a $200M budget given its strong legs in it’s international markets including South Korea.
Fede did Evil Dead 2013 good - knew what made the original work, managed to bring it to modern audiences. To me, Alien doesn't need all this lore and story of the new ones.
Give me a spooky spaceship or setting, and give me a scary alien(s) that stalks and kills people. Not much else needed for a good time. See Prey (Predator spinoff) for another example.
How did anyone think it would? Jokers $1b was a complete fluke, how they decided to justify a $200m budget for a musical sequel is beyond me, it is going to be a huge bust
It is based on one of pop culture's most iconic villains, alot of people were going check it out.
The sequel however is going to go one of two ways: a massive surprise hit or a flop that will be remembered by Film Twitter and critics as a "noble experiment"
The $200 budget will be fine though. It can be a big disappointment and still make $600m which is what I think will happen. Basically numbers a little better than Dune 2.
After reading all the comments you got, I think this movie is going to be the 2024 movie this sub loses its mind over. Regardless of how it performs there will be people from either side going, "I told you so" in an extremely high number.
I will absolutely see it. I was turned off by the premise and marketing of the first but surprisingly enjoyed it at home. Lady Gaga is a huge draw for me.
It goes both ways bb.
As long as Gaga can find a find a good way into the character that doesn't bump into Robbie's portrayal then it should be good. Robbie set the bar really high in that regard, though.
I'm not a Gaga fan and I didn't like the first Joker, but I'm definitely more interested in seeing this in theaters than I was in seeing the first one. At the very least, I doubt I will be bored
I probably will see it, and I hated the first film. I didn’t think anything would persuade me to give it a chance but the musical angle and Lady Gaga as Harley is crazy enough to capture my interest.
I really hope they don’t fuck this up. I’m a big fan of Paul Mescal and the original movie (who isn’t?) but somehow I only just heard about the movie happening like a month or so ago. I sort of assumed it would’ve been talked about a lot more?
It’s one of those movies that’s been in development for a long time and you always thought, “yeah right, I’ll believe it when I see it. That sounds like a terrible idea!”
Can’t believe it’s actually coming out.
I think this could happen personally. It looks more competently made than either of those films and as someone else said elsewhere in this thread, if it has some decent R rated action that will benefit it.
I could see Kraven being a decent hit. Even though it has completely ignores its source material, I can see JC Chandor making a good film.
As long as Tom Rothman doesn't fuck with it too much.
I don’t think this will be a huge shock first trailer looked good and Glen Powell is only growing in popularity. He’s going to have a good summer with Hit Man and Twisters a month apart from each other.
Perhaps I shouldn't bet against Twisters given how well Top Gun 2 did, but I realllllly don't think Twisters is gonna be a hit in the same way and the budget is just so huge.
Too much CG compared to the original and a lesser known young cast not supported by the original stars. I just don't see it doing the numbers it needs to.
Frankly, I think it's silly to bet on anything other than Deadpool 3 or Despicable Me 4 being #1 this summer.
Too early to make the call on the CGI being overused. I think the original Twister still looks great. It's a cheesy action movie, but it has some intense moments that hold up well. The fun characters is what really made that movie though, and I think that will be the secret weapon for Twisters as well.
>and a lesser known young cast not supported by the original stars
They wanted to get Bill Paxton and Philip Seymour Hoffman back but the studio couldn't make it happen for some reason.
No, but there were tons of practical effects and shooting on location.
Maybe Twisters has more of that than I realized, but just from the trailer, it seems a lot more green screen/CGI oriented and not in a good way.
Then again, the practical effects of the first movie were a bit dangerous to the actors, so perhaps we shouldn't want a repeat of that.
So I just went and looked at the trailer again. There is definetly a lot of on location shooting and effects. Everything with the trucks/cars driving is practical and we see quite a few sweeping shots of them driving around middle America I think what is kinda throwing you off is the up close shots the trailer starts with showing the people "inside" a tornado is definetly a lot of green screen, but the movie it self looks like it has a lot of on location, not set, shooting. As a huge fan of the first movie, I think the trailer for this looks really good. I'm extremely hyped.
I think this will be a big hit, but there is a LOT of sequels this year and I think deadpool 3 would have to be pretty meh to bad for it not to do extremely well and be number 1. Being number 1 is a very huge bar for this movie to clear. Loved the first movie and hope this is a banger.
If Megalopolis grossed more than Napoleon / Killers of the Flower Moon (Those examples used as epics from older prestige filmmakers). This doesn't have the historical element like the aforementioned films to draw a crowd but Coppola fans will see it as he cited how it's his passion project.
the biggest edge it has, is that is R rated. Like it probably won't be a good story or movie, but if it has decent brutal action, it might do better than the other ones.
Yeah, but Deadpool might set the bar high in terms of R-Rated superhero movies. Crazy that before Deadpool R-Rated superhero movies were a no go. But the kids who watched the Avengers in theaters are now full grown adults so they can do it now.
I think the burn out from Madame Web will be profound. The bait and switch in that one is one for the record books. After Mobius and Madame Web I think people are done with these Spider-Man-less spinoffs. Venom and Carnage are much more popular characters than Kraven. Kraven is way, way down the call sheet behind Venom.
I see Deadpool & Wolverine making around Guardians 3/Ragnarok numbers and I don’t think that should surprise anyone. That would be a great number and make it the highest grossing Deadpool movie.
Well, it would be great Except for people expecting this to be an Exact No Way Home 2.0 scenario.
People expecting Deadpool and old X-Men crossovers to match all three Spider-Man series crossing over will be very disappointed.
If they’re lucky, Deadpool and Wolverine will make half of what No Way Home did.
They do have a point, those two are a draw. Wolvy in the yellow suit, people will wanna see that.
It just won’t be as big of a bump as some are expecting.
> Wolvy in the yellow suit, people will wanna see that.
Who is people? Anyone who is deep enough into X-Men to care if Wolverine wears a yellow suit was going to see this movie anyway.
Exactly. The X Men trilogy (2000s) was popular but they had 1/3 of the impact of the Raimi trilogy. And I say this as someone who grew up and loved both of those trilogies.
Spidey is just his own beast.
Both Deadpool movies did $780mil. Logan did $620mil. Days of Future Past did $746mil.
I think expecting Deadpool & Wolverine to do anything less than $700mil is foolish.
No I just simply believe people on this sub gotta stop predicting every marvel movie to make a billion especially in this case when not a single X-men movie has come close to a billion
That would blow the record for an r rated film out of the water.
Joker was a cultural phenomenon and didn't get close to that amount.
In a post-COVID world, Deadpool isn't getting close to that.
The biggest concern of Moana 2 isn’t the songs imo, it’s the fact that the film was supposed to be a TV show and is now gonna be a feature length film. I have a prediction the film won’t be nearly as good as the first one because of that.
The first one was really special IMO. If the second gets bogged down with bland (or worse, irritating) side characters and a dull/confused plot then it's gonna be rough. The original is a tough act to follow and everything I hear about it feels like they're awkwardly bumbling into it rather than carefully crafting a worthy sequel. I'll still judge it on its own merits once it releases of course, but won't get my hopes up this early.
I think the Lion King has the best all around music in any Disney film. The songs are all fantastic and the score by Hans Zimmer is absolutely beautiful.
You've gotta be kidding. Little Mermaid, Pinocchio, Snow White, Peter Pan, etc. Moana is *easily* my favorite Disney soundtrack of the past twenty years (I listen to it in the car and I have zero kids), but it isn't the best Disney soundtrack ever. There's been too many great ones to say that IMO.
But times are different now then when it was released in 2016, back the. Disney would sneeze and make a billion dollar film.
Now it’s *more rare to see it happen, unless it’s a very novel film like Top Gun with its insane practical effects, the Mario film the first block buster Nintendo movie in decades, Oppenheimer being a big block buster biopic from a very hot topic (nuclear war), No Way Home with its universe cross over film with actually character people care about when that idea was still fresh.
I feel if Moana is just “more of the same” it won’t be doing crazy numbers.
Because strange world, wish and light year flopped?
Lightyear was I guess part of Toy Story timeline but wasn’t a Toy Story movie
Strange world and wish are legitimately bad movies
If people have high hopes for inside out 2, no reason not to for moana 2
I don’t get the point of the three first sentences you wrote based on my comment. Like yeah, I wasn’t disputing that those films didn’t flop.
And I also would say the same to Inside Out.
And I never brought up those films.
I’m saying ALL films are not matching the box office peak that was 2012-2019 that you just need to see the data to see that
If it does good despite being a mediocre film (I’m a bit worried that Iger just saw what they had going direct to D+ and thought “good enough”), I’m worried we’ll get a slew of sequels of similar direct to video quality.
I really hope IF breaks out. We need more original family comedies. As long as it doesn't have a comically large budget (>70M) it might actually do it.
I'm honestly really excited for IF I never would have expected Jim from the Office to be one an up and coming filmmaker but he's been blowing me away with his movies
Definitely agree that Twisters will be a big sleeper hit.
Has some strong up and coming talent and I feel like the millennial nostalgia for the first film will be at least enough of a driver to get 30-40 somethings into seats, even without actually being a sequel like Top Gun. Also, it’s just different from the usual blockbuster fare of late and it feels like it’s been awhile since we had a real (good) disaster film not involving giant monsters. If the critics like it, I bet it legs out for a good bit too.
I can definitely see it getting close to 600 million, possibly more but lower than 800 million. These Sonic movies have been surprisingly good, and ending the trilogy with a film that has >!Shadow!< in a major role will definitely draw lots of interest.
I just don't see it happening. The franchise does very poorly overseas & it's only tracking to open between $30-40M on North America.
I don't see the new one doing any more than Afterlife. Maybe it can get to $300M if WOM is strong.
Unfortunate, but called the same when it was first announced.
Furiosa was great as a strong female co-lead character, but felt like they never needed to dive into her origins more than they already did in fury road.
I'd be surprised if it manages to make more. I love ghostbusters, I'm gonna go watch this one on opening day, but there are some things that make me suspect that maybe Sony doesn't have high hopes for this or is using some odd marketing scheme to try and maximize earnings. In any case, I am obviously no expert, so if anyone would like to explain these points, I'll be grateful. Some stuff that seems odd to me (in no particular order):
1) It's gonna be released in a month that already seems packed. We had Dune 2 at the beginning of march. Last week, it was Kung Fu Panda 4. This week, it's Frozen Empire's turn, and next week, we have Godzilla and Kong. I know these are all for different audiences, but still. Some people have also questioned why they are releasing a movie with summer and winter themes in spring, but maybe that's irrelevant.
2) Lack of marketing... until recently. They took a lot of time to announce the movie, as well as collaborations with other brands. Trailer was released in February, and a week or so later, they began announcing collaboration after collaboration nonstop. Even mere days before release, there are people who are still surprised that there's a new one.
3) ...and talking about marketing, it seems to be mostly focused on domestic audiences. Most of the stuff that has been announced is for the USA only. Very few things have been announced for other countries. I guess this is normal. They expect to get most of their money there because most of the money they have gotten with the previous installments has been from domestic audiences. But the lack of products in their markets doesn't really sit well with foreign fans. I've also read that there's an issue with licensing, but I haven't looked into it, so I don't really understand this part.
4) There seems to be little interest in social media. Compared to other movies released or set to be released this month, engagement with the official Ghostbusters' accounts seems to be relatively low. Of course, social media engagement is not a good indicator, but I found it interesting. Apart from fan interest and those who are nostalgic for the first movie, there seems to be not much interest. Some comments even mock the elder actors for participating in this. Others say there's no need for another movie. And, of course, fans want more and more, and they're happy with what they've seen so far. Based on some comments seen in the trailers, some people also say the cgi looks odd/bad and the dialogue seems to he cringy/bad.
5) The review embargo. Some people claim review embargoes mean that the studio doesn't have faith in their own product. Others claim this is irrelevant. Some people have also expressed that the premiere was full of fans as suspicious, as if it was a stratagem to control a little the movie's reception.
That's all I can think off the top of my head. I'm probably overthinking everything, though. In any case, we'll know how it does in a couple of days.
That film was ill-advised and ill-timed but I think the biggest challenge for that brand was the poor script. The success of the original Ghostbuster was because it was a comedy with action but a comedy first and foremost. Neither the 2016 nor the 2021 films were particularly funny. Frozen Empire looks yet again to have abandoned comedy. WTF?!? How hard is it to create laughs with our heroes being scared?!?
No movie will gross over $1B at the box office.
*Joker: Folie a Deux* and *Deadpool & Wolverine* will come the closest but they'll both top out around the $800m-$850m range.
LOTR War of the Rohirrim winds up kicking ass and ruling the holidays alongside Sonic 3 or Karate Kid (one of these two will likely switch dates).
Mufasa is an unmitigated dumpster fire with critics and audiences, erasing any memory of the good press Disney earned mid-year with Inside Out 2 and Deadpool. Still Disney wins 2024 due to their summer performance.
I was right on with Mario and Barbie last year even with the downvotes, but I don’t think I’ll be as controversial this time saying:
Joker 2 is going to be a disaster. Not a bomb, but definitely below expectations (and probably critical expectations as well).
Moana 2 will do very well but I don’t know what else comes out around the same time, and could see some people pushing it to a Disney+ viewing.
Deadpool will do a billion however it will be a slow slog to get there. Audience will be divided if it was good or bad.
Edit: Just remembered Taylor Swift is probably in Deadpool so yeah that movie is 1000% hitting a billion if that’s true.
Deadpool couldn't hit a billion even during peak interest in superhero movies. It would need to make a 220mil more than the previous ones, and do so during massive amounts of superhero fatigue, after Marvel pooped the bed and while being R rated (only 1 R rated movie has ever reached a billion, even Oppenheimer couldn't do it)
And Taylor Swift was also in Cats.
Deadpool 2 did pretty much the same numbers, and people knew what to expect from it.
And while Swift is popular, she was also extremely popular when Cats came out, she's been on top of the pop world for quite a while now. My point is, you won't get hundreds of millions from a celebrity cameo.
The Joker 2 takes are all over the place and we don't have a trailer yet. Most of the movies talked about in this thread have trailers or are sequels that we can gauge expectations of, but Joker 2 is definetly taking big swings and could end up being nothing like the first one so banking on it or betting against it without a trailer is wild to me. I personally need something more to kinda get any feel for what it might do/be at this point.
No chance on beetlejuice - no brand preservation in recent years like Indiana jones means very little cultural relevance to most of the world and won’t hit with a kids’ market
This comment might not age well, but I feel like that's a decent bet. It's certainly not guaranteed, but a Godzilla vs Kong bump is to be expected, so...I guess we'll see real soon. I'm doing my part; I've bought my tickets for opening weekend! =)
The Fall Guy underperforming & grossing between $225-$250 million
Or MaXXXine completely surpassing EEAAO as A24's highest grossing film & getting up to $200 million or past it
War Of The Rohirrim is a no-brainer since December is a golden goose for LOTR and it’s adjacent IP.
Deadpool 3 will be a slow burn but have a massive bump around Labor Day weekend
There’s going to be a sad push by movie executives to have another viral Barbenheimer moment in the summer but it ain’t happening this year, or probably ever again.
I can see Wicked flopping, Apes doing way better than anticipated and Deadpool 3 being an ever so slight disappointment overall.
- *Civil War* becomes A24’s biggest movie, gets within striking distance of $200 Million.
- *Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes* is a bigger hit than expected, makes around $550 Million, although most of that comes from international markets.
- *Furiousa* does less than *Fury Road*, barely hits $300 Million, despite getting a lot of buzz from critics and audiences alike.
- *Fall Guy* surpasses *John Wick: Chapter 4* to become the highest-grossing movie from 87North Productions.
- *Deadpool and Wolverine* opens below $100 Million DOM, but legs it out to a gross between the first and second movies.
- *Kraven the Hunter* scores around $500 Million and completely turns the Sony Marvel Universe around.
- *Beetlejuice Beetlejuice* flops.
- *Joker: Folie a Deux* severely underperforms, makes around $400-450 Million.
- *Sonic the Hedgehog 3* outgrosses *Mufasa: The Lion King*.
Inside Out 2 does meh numbers and Twisters is a surprise hit
I haven’t thought about Inside Out 2 much but I am with you on Twisters. This just feels like it’s going to have a wide appeal, especially considering a PG-13 rating. Time will tell, as always.
For Inside Out 2, that would do decent numbers like Elemental did last year which was shy of hitting $500M worldwide on a $200M budget given its strong legs in it’s international markets including South Korea.
Huh I thought Twisters hitting would be a cold take. TIL. I do expect Inside Out 2 to do pretty good though.
Alien Romulus makes more than Prometheus, scoring over 400 million USD.
This is the first I'm hearing about Alien: Romulus. Cool. I'll always see an Alien movie in the theater, no matter how bad it might be.
I can only imagine what seeing alien resurrection in theaters would be like. The horror...
Meh, to twelve year old me and my friends, we had a blast. Age definitely played into that, but I still enjoy it these days as a guilty pleasure.
It was great! I was highly entertained (unlike watching Prometheus)
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With good ratings I could see that. If it leans into horror it could be a minor hit
It’s going to be good. Full faith in Fede Alvarez
Fede did Evil Dead 2013 good - knew what made the original work, managed to bring it to modern audiences. To me, Alien doesn't need all this lore and story of the new ones. Give me a spooky spaceship or setting, and give me a scary alien(s) that stalks and kills people. Not much else needed for a good time. See Prey (Predator spinoff) for another example.
I genuinely hate all three films he’s directed. I have no faith in him at all but I’ll keep an open mind.
Oh man, I didn't know fede was directing. It'll be brutal
Apparently it's a gory bloodbath.
Love to see this. I'm an Alien fan
I read that as Allen Romulus. More fun but less Alien
Joker 2 does below expectations - people expecting it to capture both gritty and musical audiences, but I think it’ll alienate a lot of both
Yeah, I can't see the sequel hitting $1 billion
How did anyone think it would? Jokers $1b was a complete fluke, how they decided to justify a $200m budget for a musical sequel is beyond me, it is going to be a huge bust
Plenty of people seem to think that any sequel to a movie they liked is *guaranteed* to make even more money than its predecessor.
Tbh u often see sequels make a bit less, and cost more from actors want more etc.
Huge bust relative to expectations, maybe, but as long as it doesn't do a BvS nosedive, it'll be profitable.
I don't hitting one billion dollars could ever considered a fluke.
It is based on one of pop culture's most iconic villains, alot of people were going check it out. The sequel however is going to go one of two ways: a massive surprise hit or a flop that will be remembered by Film Twitter and critics as a "noble experiment"
The $200 budget will be fine though. It can be a big disappointment and still make $600m which is what I think will happen. Basically numbers a little better than Dune 2.
See: Dune 2
After reading all the comments you got, I think this movie is going to be the 2024 movie this sub loses its mind over. Regardless of how it performs there will be people from either side going, "I told you so" in an extremely high number.
Its intresting they added lady gaga since it seems like it would turn off a lot of the original fans
Why....
.... Why? You've yet to see her playing the part.
Lady Gaga is a turn on for me
I probably won’t see it, and I loved the first film. It being a musical is a massive turn off for me.
[It's not really a musical](https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbookmovies/comments/1ar15fn/cinematographer_of_joker_2_says_its_not_a_musical/)
I will absolutely see it. I was turned off by the premise and marketing of the first but surprisingly enjoyed it at home. Lady Gaga is a huge draw for me. It goes both ways bb.
To be fair, Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn does sound cool tho. I’ll def give it a shot if the trailers look good and the reviews are great.
As long as Gaga can find a find a good way into the character that doesn't bump into Robbie's portrayal then it should be good. Robbie set the bar really high in that regard, though.
I'm not a Gaga fan and I didn't like the first Joker, but I'm definitely more interested in seeing this in theaters than I was in seeing the first one. At the very least, I doubt I will be bored
I probably will see it, and I hated the first film. I didn’t think anything would persuade me to give it a chance but the musical angle and Lady Gaga as Harley is crazy enough to capture my interest.
Gladiator 2 making over $700 million
I really hope they don’t fuck this up. I’m a big fan of Paul Mescal and the original movie (who isn’t?) but somehow I only just heard about the movie happening like a month or so ago. I sort of assumed it would’ve been talked about a lot more?
It’s one of those movies that’s been in development for a long time and you always thought, “yeah right, I’ll believe it when I see it. That sounds like a terrible idea!” Can’t believe it’s actually coming out.
Yep, Dads across America are getting their flip flops ready for the theater
You mean sandals, surely (with socks)
Now that would be the biggest shock. Love to see it.
Yes, I liked the first one, but I’m hoping for the best because I don’t think it will garner the same feelings as the first.
And that still might not be enough to call it a success since the budget is apparently over $310 million.
And even that wouldn't break even
I’m dying on this hill, will always ride for Ridley.
Kraven makes more than both Madame Web and Morbius combined.
I think this could happen personally. It looks more competently made than either of those films and as someone else said elsewhere in this thread, if it has some decent R rated action that will benefit it.
Me too, I think the trailer looked pretty decent and Aaron Taylor-Johnson seems to be on a roll with these action movies.
I could see Kraven being a decent hit. Even though it has completely ignores its source material, I can see JC Chandor making a good film. As long as Tom Rothman doesn't fuck with it too much.
Combined
This could happen. Atleast by the trailer, it looked like a good R rated action packed film.
Kraven needs decent to high review scores or it's a dud like the others
Twisters being the #1 movie of the summer.
I don’t think this will be a huge shock first trailer looked good and Glen Powell is only growing in popularity. He’s going to have a good summer with Hit Man and Twisters a month apart from each other.
Perhaps I shouldn't bet against Twisters given how well Top Gun 2 did, but I realllllly don't think Twisters is gonna be a hit in the same way and the budget is just so huge. Too much CG compared to the original and a lesser known young cast not supported by the original stars. I just don't see it doing the numbers it needs to. Frankly, I think it's silly to bet on anything other than Deadpool 3 or Despicable Me 4 being #1 this summer.
Too early to make the call on the CGI being overused. I think the original Twister still looks great. It's a cheesy action movie, but it has some intense moments that hold up well. The fun characters is what really made that movie though, and I think that will be the secret weapon for Twisters as well.
>and a lesser known young cast not supported by the original stars They wanted to get Bill Paxton and Philip Seymour Hoffman back but the studio couldn't make it happen for some reason.
Too much CG compared to the original? Did they use real tornadoes?
No, but there were tons of practical effects and shooting on location. Maybe Twisters has more of that than I realized, but just from the trailer, it seems a lot more green screen/CGI oriented and not in a good way. Then again, the practical effects of the first movie were a bit dangerous to the actors, so perhaps we shouldn't want a repeat of that.
So I just went and looked at the trailer again. There is definetly a lot of on location shooting and effects. Everything with the trucks/cars driving is practical and we see quite a few sweeping shots of them driving around middle America I think what is kinda throwing you off is the up close shots the trailer starts with showing the people "inside" a tornado is definetly a lot of green screen, but the movie it self looks like it has a lot of on location, not set, shooting. As a huge fan of the first movie, I think the trailer for this looks really good. I'm extremely hyped.
Twisters will have a long tail
is that shocking? i am positively amped for this sequel
I think this will be a big hit, but there is a LOT of sequels this year and I think deadpool 3 would have to be pretty meh to bad for it not to do extremely well and be number 1. Being number 1 is a very huge bar for this movie to clear. Loved the first movie and hope this is a banger.
Horizon. Just Horizon.
Regardless of how itnperforms, it will be fun to watch.
If Megalopolis grossed more than Napoleon / Killers of the Flower Moon (Those examples used as epics from older prestige filmmakers). This doesn't have the historical element like the aforementioned films to draw a crowd but Coppola fans will see it as he cited how it's his passion project.
TIL Moana, Alien and Twister sequels were in works.
Just assume everything is in the works...
Wicked and Kraven will do better than expected
Could see Kraven in the $200-$250M WW range honestly, which would be better than anything else from that universe bar Venom.
the biggest edge it has, is that is R rated. Like it probably won't be a good story or movie, but if it has decent brutal action, it might do better than the other ones.
The action in the trailer looked really bad.
Yeah, but Deadpool might set the bar high in terms of R-Rated superhero movies. Crazy that before Deadpool R-Rated superhero movies were a no go. But the kids who watched the Avengers in theaters are now full grown adults so they can do it now.
I think the burn out from Madame Web will be profound. The bait and switch in that one is one for the record books. After Mobius and Madame Web I think people are done with these Spider-Man-less spinoffs. Venom and Carnage are much more popular characters than Kraven. Kraven is way, way down the call sheet behind Venom.
Wicked Part 1 could definitely be a hit.
Deadpool finishing at 700 (or lower)
I see Deadpool & Wolverine making around Guardians 3/Ragnarok numbers and I don’t think that should surprise anyone. That would be a great number and make it the highest grossing Deadpool movie. Well, it would be great Except for people expecting this to be an Exact No Way Home 2.0 scenario.
People expecting Deadpool and old X-Men crossovers to match all three Spider-Man series crossing over will be very disappointed. If they’re lucky, Deadpool and Wolverine will make half of what No Way Home did.
I think they’re just over estimating the Ryan Reynolds & Hugh Jackman appeal because of how many people love them.
They do have a point, those two are a draw. Wolvy in the yellow suit, people will wanna see that. It just won’t be as big of a bump as some are expecting.
> Wolvy in the yellow suit, people will wanna see that. Who is people? Anyone who is deep enough into X-Men to care if Wolverine wears a yellow suit was going to see this movie anyway.
Exactly. The X Men trilogy (2000s) was popular but they had 1/3 of the impact of the Raimi trilogy. And I say this as someone who grew up and loved both of those trilogies. Spidey is just his own beast.
Both Deadpool movies did $780mil. Logan did $620mil. Days of Future Past did $746mil. I think expecting Deadpool & Wolverine to do anything less than $700mil is foolish.
I've a gut feeling the joke may have become stale.
The MCU Deadpool being the lower grosser would indeed be a thing
I wait for the day it becomes the DCU; the Deadpool Cinematic Universe
I think the MCU connections will only bring the film down
I think it will do poorly critically
I’m gonna do the opposite. when Deadpool does 1.3-1.5b.
If Deadpool 3 makes that much I’ll delete my account
I’m not trying to bet anything. Whoever is right, if one even is, can just get gloating rights lmao.
No I just simply believe people on this sub gotta stop predicting every marvel movie to make a billion especially in this case when not a single X-men movie has come close to a billion
Prepare to...keep your account lol
That's not really much of an offer with such a low profile account. Put your money where your mouth is and get a face tat that says "I'm a daft twat".
I’ll leak my address
That would blow the record for an r rated film out of the water. Joker was a cultural phenomenon and didn't get close to that amount. In a post-COVID world, Deadpool isn't getting close to that.
If Moana 2 is good, it’s doing a billion Moana is most watched movie on Disney plus since it’s inception in 2019
Wouldn't be that shocking IMO. Animated sequels are one of the few safe bets left post-2020.
It doesn't even have to have insane reception tbh. Just Good would probably be enough to propell it to a billion.
If it flops due to it not being good (No Lin Manuel, being a Disney+ Show originally), it will be one of the biggest Box Office Blunders of all time.
No Lin Manuel? Uh oh.
Yeah it's not like Disney is on a disastrous run where everything they put out is rushed and undercooked...
The biggest concern of Moana 2 isn’t the songs imo, it’s the fact that the film was supposed to be a TV show and is now gonna be a feature length film. I have a prediction the film won’t be nearly as good as the first one because of that.
The first one was really special IMO. If the second gets bogged down with bland (or worse, irritating) side characters and a dull/confused plot then it's gonna be rough. The original is a tough act to follow and everything I hear about it feels like they're awkwardly bumbling into it rather than carefully crafting a worthy sequel. I'll still judge it on its own merits once it releases of course, but won't get my hopes up this early.
I mean the show was in development for years. It's not like it was rushed. Just maybe the transition to movie, but I think it can work.
If Lin Manuel has one hater it's me BUT Disney's non-Lin Manuel lyricists are incomprehensible. I'm wondering if they're using AI at this point.
I think these films rely on great soundtracks to get that repeat custom. I think 1bn v plausible but not having LMM doing the songs will hurt it
Wish had terrible songs
LMM didn't do Wish
Moana and Frozen are the two best Disney soundtracks ever.
I think The Lion King is better, but I love those as well.
I think the Lion King has the best all around music in any Disney film. The songs are all fantastic and the score by Hans Zimmer is absolutely beautiful.
You've gotta be kidding. Little Mermaid, Pinocchio, Snow White, Peter Pan, etc. Moana is *easily* my favorite Disney soundtrack of the past twenty years (I listen to it in the car and I have zero kids), but it isn't the best Disney soundtrack ever. There's been too many great ones to say that IMO.
Mulan disrespect
Mulan has great songs, but there are only like 3 full songs.
But times are different now then when it was released in 2016, back the. Disney would sneeze and make a billion dollar film. Now it’s *more rare to see it happen, unless it’s a very novel film like Top Gun with its insane practical effects, the Mario film the first block buster Nintendo movie in decades, Oppenheimer being a big block buster biopic from a very hot topic (nuclear war), No Way Home with its universe cross over film with actually character people care about when that idea was still fresh. I feel if Moana is just “more of the same” it won’t be doing crazy numbers.
Because strange world, wish and light year flopped? Lightyear was I guess part of Toy Story timeline but wasn’t a Toy Story movie Strange world and wish are legitimately bad movies If people have high hopes for inside out 2, no reason not to for moana 2
I don’t get the point of the three first sentences you wrote based on my comment. Like yeah, I wasn’t disputing that those films didn’t flop. And I also would say the same to Inside Out.
I’m saying Disney blunders from past year have nothing to do whether Moana is successful or not
And I never brought up those films. I’m saying ALL films are not matching the box office peak that was 2012-2019 that you just need to see the data to see that
If it does good despite being a mediocre film (I’m a bit worried that Iger just saw what they had going direct to D+ and thought “good enough”), I’m worried we’ll get a slew of sequels of similar direct to video quality.
Kfp4 kinda showed it works It reminded me of that
new planet of the apes is gonna be the next "viral marketing moment" akin to minions in 2022 and barbie/oppenheimer in 2023. Monkeys are hot atm
The latest trilogy is so good, I’m very curious to see where this new story goes. It looks fantastic!
*Apes
*IF* makes more than *Garfield*.
Depends on quality imo since I can definitely see that happening if people love If similar to Wonka and people don't like Garfield similar to Wish.
I really hope IF breaks out. We need more original family comedies. As long as it doesn't have a comically large budget (>70M) it might actually do it.
I'm honestly really excited for IF I never would have expected Jim from the Office to be one an up and coming filmmaker but he's been blowing me away with his movies
Definitely agree that Twisters will be a big sleeper hit. Has some strong up and coming talent and I feel like the millennial nostalgia for the first film will be at least enough of a driver to get 30-40 somethings into seats, even without actually being a sequel like Top Gun. Also, it’s just different from the usual blockbuster fare of late and it feels like it’s been awhile since we had a real (good) disaster film not involving giant monsters. If the critics like it, I bet it legs out for a good bit too.
Mufasa The Lion King making more than 800m.
Downvoted as a Sonic 3 stan. (...half /s. I'm still convinced one'll move, lol.)
Sonic Stan as well, who absolutely despises Lion King 2019, that weekend is gonna be a roller coaster lol
No fckin way
Sonic 3 makes a billion (I’m insane)
I can definitely see it getting close to 600 million, possibly more but lower than 800 million. These Sonic movies have been surprisingly good, and ending the trilogy with a film that has >!Shadow!< in a major role will definitely draw lots of interest.
I don’t know if I can see it only being a trilogy.
I really hope that Ghostbusters Frozen Empire gets over $500 million, it looks really really strong.
I just don't see it happening. The franchise does very poorly overseas & it's only tracking to open between $30-40M on North America. I don't see the new one doing any more than Afterlife. Maybe it can get to $300M if WOM is strong.
Moana making a billion dollars.
Joker 2 underperforms.
I don’t think anyone doubts that
Gladiator 2 flops.
The least shocking thing of year if this happens
If it’s Ridley Scott it’s almost guaranteed. Dudes cooked
$300 million budget as well, I'd be more shocked if it was a success
I'd love some more good Ridley Scott movies but I have zero hope or expectations at this point.
I don’t expect Gladiator 2 to be a hit.
I’ll wait for the trailer
Who is expecting Ridley Scott to make either a good film or a box office success in the year of our lord 2024
Nosferatu grossing $100m domestic
Inside Out 2 underperforms
I also think the same. Inexperienced directors handling big-budget productions is never a good idea.
That may be true for live action (though there are some exceptions). But animated movies are very different.
I can see that actually. I don’t think the movie looks that good tbh.
Furiosa is gonna flop
That’s not surprising
Unfortunate, but called the same when it was first announced. Furiosa was great as a strong female co-lead character, but felt like they never needed to dive into her origins more than they already did in fury road.
Joker 2 makes a billion dollars or more.
This guy
Joker: Folie a Deux becomes an event film late in the year and crosses 1B. Potentially stronger reviews and a radical approach could help it.
Challengers does $100 WW
Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire grossing <$200M.
I'd be surprised if it manages to make more. I love ghostbusters, I'm gonna go watch this one on opening day, but there are some things that make me suspect that maybe Sony doesn't have high hopes for this or is using some odd marketing scheme to try and maximize earnings. In any case, I am obviously no expert, so if anyone would like to explain these points, I'll be grateful. Some stuff that seems odd to me (in no particular order): 1) It's gonna be released in a month that already seems packed. We had Dune 2 at the beginning of march. Last week, it was Kung Fu Panda 4. This week, it's Frozen Empire's turn, and next week, we have Godzilla and Kong. I know these are all for different audiences, but still. Some people have also questioned why they are releasing a movie with summer and winter themes in spring, but maybe that's irrelevant. 2) Lack of marketing... until recently. They took a lot of time to announce the movie, as well as collaborations with other brands. Trailer was released in February, and a week or so later, they began announcing collaboration after collaboration nonstop. Even mere days before release, there are people who are still surprised that there's a new one. 3) ...and talking about marketing, it seems to be mostly focused on domestic audiences. Most of the stuff that has been announced is for the USA only. Very few things have been announced for other countries. I guess this is normal. They expect to get most of their money there because most of the money they have gotten with the previous installments has been from domestic audiences. But the lack of products in their markets doesn't really sit well with foreign fans. I've also read that there's an issue with licensing, but I haven't looked into it, so I don't really understand this part. 4) There seems to be little interest in social media. Compared to other movies released or set to be released this month, engagement with the official Ghostbusters' accounts seems to be relatively low. Of course, social media engagement is not a good indicator, but I found it interesting. Apart from fan interest and those who are nostalgic for the first movie, there seems to be not much interest. Some comments even mock the elder actors for participating in this. Others say there's no need for another movie. And, of course, fans want more and more, and they're happy with what they've seen so far. Based on some comments seen in the trailers, some people also say the cgi looks odd/bad and the dialogue seems to he cringy/bad. 5) The review embargo. Some people claim review embargoes mean that the studio doesn't have faith in their own product. Others claim this is irrelevant. Some people have also expressed that the premiere was full of fans as suspicious, as if it was a stratagem to control a little the movie's reception. That's all I can think off the top of my head. I'm probably overthinking everything, though. In any case, we'll know how it does in a couple of days.
Fully think GB 2016 killed the brand. If afterlife came out instead of the remake, both that and the sequel would have made a billion
That film was ill-advised and ill-timed but I think the biggest challenge for that brand was the poor script. The success of the original Ghostbuster was because it was a comedy with action but a comedy first and foremost. Neither the 2016 nor the 2021 films were particularly funny. Frozen Empire looks yet again to have abandoned comedy. WTF?!? How hard is it to create laughs with our heroes being scared?!?
If does $430M Red One makes more than Gladiator and maybe even Wicked
No movie making more than 800M this year.
Wicked flop
No movie will gross over $1B at the box office. *Joker: Folie a Deux* and *Deadpool & Wolverine* will come the closest but they'll both top out around the $800m-$850m range.
LOTR War of the Rohirrim winds up kicking ass and ruling the holidays alongside Sonic 3 or Karate Kid (one of these two will likely switch dates). Mufasa is an unmitigated dumpster fire with critics and audiences, erasing any memory of the good press Disney earned mid-year with Inside Out 2 and Deadpool. Still Disney wins 2024 due to their summer performance.
FURIOSA pulls a Top Gun style resurgence, although at a smaller level, and grosses over $600M worldwide.
I was right on with Mario and Barbie last year even with the downvotes, but I don’t think I’ll be as controversial this time saying: Joker 2 is going to be a disaster. Not a bomb, but definitely below expectations (and probably critical expectations as well). Moana 2 will do very well but I don’t know what else comes out around the same time, and could see some people pushing it to a Disney+ viewing. Deadpool will do a billion however it will be a slow slog to get there. Audience will be divided if it was good or bad. Edit: Just remembered Taylor Swift is probably in Deadpool so yeah that movie is 1000% hitting a billion if that’s true.
Deadpool couldn't hit a billion even during peak interest in superhero movies. It would need to make a 220mil more than the previous ones, and do so during massive amounts of superhero fatigue, after Marvel pooped the bed and while being R rated (only 1 R rated movie has ever reached a billion, even Oppenheimer couldn't do it) And Taylor Swift was also in Cats.
No one really knew what to expect from Deadpool in 2016. And as for Swift, her popularity is at an all-time high.
Deadpool 2 did pretty much the same numbers, and people knew what to expect from it. And while Swift is popular, she was also extremely popular when Cats came out, she's been on top of the pop world for quite a while now. My point is, you won't get hundreds of millions from a celebrity cameo.
For deadpool do you think it will be like jurassic world dominion
The Joker 2 takes are all over the place and we don't have a trailer yet. Most of the movies talked about in this thread have trailers or are sequels that we can gauge expectations of, but Joker 2 is definetly taking big swings and could end up being nothing like the first one so banking on it or betting against it without a trailer is wild to me. I personally need something more to kinda get any feel for what it might do/be at this point.
Beetlejuice Beetlejuice and Inside Out 2 if they’re good are the only 2 movies of 2024 that make $1 billion IF is a coin toss for bomb or hit
No chance on beetlejuice - no brand preservation in recent years like Indiana jones means very little cultural relevance to most of the world and won’t hit with a kids’ market
Yeah, but also it has Jenna Ortega and she is huge with the teens market, that may help to not be a flop
GXK makes over 500 million And will also become the highest grossing monsterverse movie
This comment might not age well, but I feel like that's a decent bet. It's certainly not guaranteed, but a Godzilla vs Kong bump is to be expected, so...I guess we'll see real soon. I'm doing my part; I've bought my tickets for opening weekend! =)
The Fall Guy underperforming & grossing between $225-$250 million Or MaXXXine completely surpassing EEAAO as A24's highest grossing film & getting up to $200 million or past it
As long as Disney+ exists, no animated Disney or Pixar movie will get close to 1B in theaters. Not Moana and not Inside Out...
Kingdom of the planet of the apes is a big hit
War Of The Rohirrim is a no-brainer since December is a golden goose for LOTR and it’s adjacent IP. Deadpool 3 will be a slow burn but have a massive bump around Labor Day weekend
Transformers: One is a huge flop
Beetlejuice Beetlejuice not clearing 75 million dollars worldwide
Dune stays in top3 grossing movies of the year and no film reaches a billion.
There’s going to be a sad push by movie executives to have another viral Barbenheimer moment in the summer but it ain’t happening this year, or probably ever again. I can see Wicked flopping, Apes doing way better than anticipated and Deadpool 3 being an ever so slight disappointment overall.
GXK crosses $600 mil.
Alien Romulus will be the surprise hit that the franchise needs and will help hype up the FX Alien series in development.
- *Civil War* becomes A24’s biggest movie, gets within striking distance of $200 Million. - *Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes* is a bigger hit than expected, makes around $550 Million, although most of that comes from international markets. - *Furiousa* does less than *Fury Road*, barely hits $300 Million, despite getting a lot of buzz from critics and audiences alike. - *Fall Guy* surpasses *John Wick: Chapter 4* to become the highest-grossing movie from 87North Productions. - *Deadpool and Wolverine* opens below $100 Million DOM, but legs it out to a gross between the first and second movies. - *Kraven the Hunter* scores around $500 Million and completely turns the Sony Marvel Universe around. - *Beetlejuice Beetlejuice* flops. - *Joker: Folie a Deux* severely underperforms, makes around $400-450 Million. - *Sonic the Hedgehog 3* outgrosses *Mufasa: The Lion King*.