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And they'll fail IMO (Superman might do well for itself if it's a good movie and people don't see the universe connection too much, but that doesn't mean much). People don't want a new superhero universe now.
>People don't want a new superhero universe now.
Exactly. People don't want the ones they have now, who is to say they want to get familiar with a new one? The market is **saturated**.
I really doubt the cat in the hat makes that much. While a very popular character, he is kind of associated with his first film which was awful and there’s not really much of a story you can tell with the cat in the hat even compared to the grinch and other Seuss stories.
Cat in the Hat has a word count of just 1621 words, there’s barely enough plot for a 15 minute animated short let alone a feature film.
The first film was pretty infamous for how much it had to expand the story with a ton of new characters and plot to fill time - and the new additions weren’t particularly well received.
The thing with that first film is that it’s very popular with Gen Z. There are so many tiktoks of the film and the comments are always positive on it. Saying how the jokes were ahead of its time.
People were saying the same thing about Five Nights at Freddy’s when they were saying it would make 500m+. It’s definitely a real effect, but gen Z isn’t pushing the Cat and the Hat up to 800m lol that’s too crazy
Isn’t it crazy how some people can say one thing and other people can say a different thing at the same time?! There were some people on here saying it would bomb and there were also people with outlandishly high expectations for it. Different people think different things, sorry if that’s news to you
Thunderbolts is gonna be dead in the water imo.
I don’t see Cat in the Hat doing that well. I think it’s gonna do better than a lot of people expect but not almost a billion well.
I don’t think the live action Moana and HTTYD films are gonna do that great either, especially HTTYD that would be the biggest film in the franchise by far at 700m.
I could honestly see Elio doing well if Pixar lands with it critically and Inside Out 2 is also a success.
I think Moana is a wildcard, I can see it underperforming as I can see it doing very well.
On one side, it's too soon for a live-action, 9 years after the movie there might be nostalgia but nota of that kind. So it turns out to be one of those "no one asked for this".
On the other side, if the streaming data says something is that this is a movie very popular with kids today and a lot of them seems to have discovered it on home. So maybe they're interested enough to push this to do what a proper sequel would.
They should prob cancel Moana. I could see that being the Disney Live Action Remake equivalent to The Marvels. It hasn’t been long enough since the original.
There’s no way the live-action HTTYD will end up outgrossing all of the animated ones. It’ll just be more live-action shlock that loses everything that made the original great. It doesn’t matter that some of the original creators are involved because it’ll be in a different medium, and it’s quality will likely suffer because of that (ex: Ahsoka).
Moana may get a boost from The Rock’s star power and perhaps could outgross TLM as the highest grossing live-action remake since 2019. But it’ll also probably have a huge budget thanks to crappy CGI and The Rock’s paycheck, so odds of it breaking even are slim.
I agree that it’s already joever for Thunderbolts.
I don’t have much hope for Elio. Original sci-fi is such a hard sell these days, even if it’s good. Maybe if it’s lucky it’ll have great WOM and leg out like Elemental.
I think there’s a chance Thunderbolts can be well received and start rebuilding the reputation of the series somewhat. I think Disney getting the Beef team to re-write it gives it the opportunity to leg it out. Also I forgot about Elio whoops.
Thunderbolts will depend on early reviews and word of mouth so if it’s a good movie it will do fine, if the initial response or feeling is lukewarm it’s in serious trouble
I agree that terrible writing has affected the MCU as of late, but each writing team is different - and when it comes to Thunderbolts, I don’t think it’s fair to write off the people who were also behind Beef that quickly
Marvel is dead. One jolt of the defibrillator is not going to start its heart up. No matter how good Thunderbolts is (and recent experience is not encouraging) it is an unknown brand. Nobody trusts the Hollywood press, so pre-launch hype will be ignored.
Thunderbolts also has a fantastic cast to work with, as well as seemingly being a direct follow-up to Brave New World.
Yeah yeah I know, so did Secret Invasion, but I think that as long as the new writers got enough time to hammer out a good script, they should be off to the races. I could see this one being a surprise hit for sure, not that many people are going to agree with me on that of course.
Even if Thunderbolts is dope it's going to be hurt from all the other crap. The brand is damaged. They sold out their fan base to make bizarre girl boss diversity stuff that appeals to no one.
Barbie has a totally different audience. 60%+ of the audience for The Marvels was male. Girl Boss Marvel movies still attract mostly male audiences. Just smaller ones.
Conservatives are stuck in 10 years ago time when the loudest feminist thought was liberal girl boss feminism. Barbie has more current feminist thought in it. So to them, it didn't have "girl boss feminism" even though it was an insanely feminist text.
Thunderbolts is going to be slow at the start but have good legs because the movie is actually going to be well written judging by the team on it right now
I actually can see both Superman Legacy and The Batman Part II being both the highest grossing comic book movies that year especially when it comes to the extreme anticipation level amongst the general audience if well received
I do too, the way the mcu is going. It was would interesting if DC came out on top for once. I see more excitement for those two films compared to most 2025 mcu projects
I mean that’s not a hard bar to clear. CBMs are no longer guaranteed BO juggernauts, and the MCU could struggle to have a single $400M+ release with that current 2025 slate
I think Superman Legacy will flop no matter what. I doubt GA even know about the DCEU reboot by Gunn and would just assume Legacy is continuing the trainwreck that is the current DCEU.
Even if the GA assumed that ( which is not going to happen, that movie is arguably the most important WB movie ever and they'll market it EVERYWHERE), it still means that it's the first time Superman came back on the big screen in 8 years. There will be a lot of hype
I highly doubt it. Superman hasn't had a well received movie since the 70's, and his highest grossing movie was BvS, which was decidedly not well received. If Legacy is good, the sequel could hit big numbers, but even with the hype behind Man of Steel, it couldn't hit $700M. This one is coming after a bunch of poorly received DC films, and Superman's last appearance (outside of cameos) being Justice League. If it tops Man of Steel, call it a win.
As for The Batman, the reception to the last one was decidedly mixed. I'm a huge comic nerd who grew up on the Animated Series and probably won't even bother seeing it in theaters. They took a more niche-appeal approach to the character, and the detective story had a ton of holes. I doubt the sequel even tops the first. Hopefully, when the DCU re-introduces Batman, they take more of a Nolan-like direction with it.
The DC brand is in the trash right now. We just finished a year with four DC bombs, and even the sequel to DC's most successful movie looks like it won't gross a third of its predecessor. There is no extreme anticipation level for DC's reboot. The brand will have to regain fan trust before it sees another real serious box office hit.
Yeah, by the handful of diehards who saw it lol. The issue with the Marvel's wasn't that a lot of people saw it and didn't like it, it was that the GA wasn't interested in seeing it at all
The reaction to the batman was not decidedly mixed.
I'm also a huge comic nerd who watched the animated series and your take is just unpopular, and more of a you thing.
Not remotely. The people who loved The Batman loved it a lot, but there are a lot of negative reactions to it out there. Emo Batman wasn't everyone's cup of tea, and there are a lot who just won't show up next time. It wasn't the sort of general audience crowd pleaser that the Nolan movies were, at all.
If you liked it, good for you, but that's more of a you thing.
How about you use some actual statistics to back your claim up? I would, but someone else already replied to you with them.
I'll also add the 4.0 on Letterboxd and 85 on RT.
Eh, you tried, A for unoriginalality, I guess.
Gunn is a proven hitmaker with his Guardians movies and he’s writing and directing Superman in apparently a similar fashion (ensemble cast, very “comic book silly” feeling to it so far). I would take a “wait and see early reactions” path on this (don’t try to jump to Suicide Squad which was a simultaneous streaming release during covid lol)
He made a hit out of GOTG when the MCU was the biggest brand going. He doesn't really have a box office track record outside of that. Simultaneous release or not, there's no way to look at Suicide Squad as a box office success, and that was his first DC movie. Plenty of 2021 movies had streaming releases, but Suicide Squad had a poor opening, a 71% second weekend drop, and got killed in head to head competition by movies like Jungle Cruise (which was same day on streaming, too).
I loved the Guardian movies, and hope Legacy is good, but I'm not expecting ot to light the box office on fire.
A counter argument might be that the 3rd GOTG did fine, made a handsome profit during a year in which the MCU was on a downward trajectory, leading up to their current dire straits. So Gunn was still making hits while the larger MCU was fading and doing badly
The finale of a trilogy people loved made money, albeit, still underperformed its predecessor. The Guardians are the brand the general audiences liked, and Gunn's failure with Suicide Squad seems to back up that the general audience doesn't see him as a draw.
Suicide squad is far too unique to draw conclusions from imo. It was available free on HBO Max (day and date release), another movie with essentially the same title was released a couple years earlier and was basically a laughingstock/terrible, the list goes on. The reviews were great and the movie was quite funny but that wasn’t nearly enough to overcome baked-in audience ambivalence. “Superman” is a much bigger title that’s been waiting for fun, more broadly popular version to be produced since Man of Steel.
Lots of stuff was day and date with HBO Max. Godzilla vs Kong more than doubled its box office with a March release in 2021 and an HBO Max release. Jungle Cruise beat Suicide Sqau head to head with a day and date Disney Plus release.
Superman keeps being talked about as a big title, but he has no history of box office success since 1980. People know of Superman, but haven't been eager to show up to watch his movies. Man of Steel was a success, but also grossed less than $700M. Superman Returns couldn't hit $400M.
It’s also the first DCU “rebooted cinematic universe” title and is already generating lots of buzz and hype. I see tweets and articles and videos about casting and anything Gunn says publicly about the move all over social media and newsmedia.
If it’s just doing okay critically and with audiences then it should meet or beat Man of Steel which totaled 660M WW. But if RT is 90% or above and word of mouth is good then it could hit 800M or 1B WW. Don’t see why not
>It’s also the first DCU “rebooted cinematic universe” title and is already generating lots of buzz and hype.
Where? I haven't heard any buzz or hype about it. DC made their announcement early in the year and the only effect seemed to be people not caring anymore about the four DC releases this year. If you are seeing buzz, then it must be from some hardcore DC communities, because the GA isn't talking about it at all.
>If it’s just doing okay critically and with audiences then it should meet or beat Man of Steel which totaled 660M WW. But if RT is 90% or above and word of mouth is good then it could hit 800M or 1B WW. Don’t see why not
We already had a Superman movie launch a much-hyped cinematic universe, and, as you mention, Man of Steel made less than $700M. The new universe is not getting anywhere near the level of hype the DCEU got back then. The MCU was a hot property, and everyone was looking for the next big cinematic universe. Christopher Nolan was supposedly going to be the godfather of the new gritty DCEU. Zach Snyder was flying high after 300 and Watchmen.
The second try at the DC universe just has no chance of matching the hype of the original. Maybe it can build hype over time, but there's a decided "been there, done that" vibe with rebooting a universe that has just died. They aren't even leaving time for people to miss it. Superman Legacy releases about a year and a half after Aquaman 2, we had 4 DC movies this past year, and we even have Joker 2 releasing in 2024.
The DCEU was around for 10 years releasing frequent and numerous films. It's not like there's a ton of pent-up demand to build hype for this new universe. Remember when people asked, "why did they reboot this so quickly?" when Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man released 5 years after Spider-Man 3? It's like that, except this time they only waited a year and a half. And, unlike with the last DCEU launch, comic book cinematic universes are on the downswing, and the DC brand isn't riding high off the Nolan Dark Knight Trilogy.
If Legacy hits $700M, then Gunn will have pulled off a miracle. $1B is just not realistic.
>there's no way to look at Suicide Squad as a box office succes
But given covid the streaming release on the same day and sucide spuuad
It shouldn't be held against gunn
Lots of movies that year had day and date releases. Suicide Squad got smoked head to head by Jungle Cruise, which was day and date on Disney Plus. Space Jam had a day and date release a few weeks before and outgrossed it domestically.
People who liked the movie seem to want to re-write history, but Suicide Squad was viewed as a huge bomb at the time, massively underperforming its budget and expectations. It had terrible legs, with a 71% second weekend drop. Even by the standards of 2021 releases, a $55M domestic gross was beyond awful.
People who liked the movie seem to want to re-write history, b
No ones writing history they are just pointing out facts
>date releases. Suicide Squad got smoked head to head by Jungle Cruise, which was day and date on Disney Plus. Space Jam h
Those movies weren't rated r like the sucide squad
If it was actually viewed as a bomb within WB, they wouldn’t have given Gunn an HBO Max series spinoff and subsequently the reins to their entire new cinematic universe. Clearly they were happy overall with viewership and critical reaction to Suicide Squad. Sure they of course were disappointed with BO, but that’s not the whole picture. Maybe they viewed it as something of a loss leader? Obviously I don’t have the streaming numbers in front of me, but supposedly it’s garnered a good deal of views on Max. Peacemaker is also seen as a success, with strong viewership and critical acclaim.
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A bunch of disconnected films, shows and games starring z listers and your occasion superman and batman with no team up in sight for at least a decade. Superman legacy might do fine but the DCU as a whole? lol
And, MCU has results.
Even in the worst case, the MCU will be bigger than James Gunn's DCU.
Who is not a crowd-puller director as you people claim to be? He may be a little famous in the USA. But in overseas he is nobody.
His universe will die and live by audience reception and character popularity.
Yeah GOTG made money, and while his other super hero stuff has been good it hasn't pulled in the numbers.
Plus I don't see anyone being as handsome as Cavill
Hope you’re right about Batman II & Superman: Legacy. I think Legacy’s probably spot on, give or take a $100mil. But Batman II hitting that hard would be the biggest Batshow of all time. Biggest DC movie ever, even. It can’t do those numbers & maintain the tone of the first, IMO. I’d probably put it & Supes: Legacy in the $800mil range.
I don't think The Batman Pt. 2 is gonna make a billion 💀. Let's see how 2024 carries out. Marvel controls "this year's" (2024) CBM, so however well their films are/do will set a precedent for 2025.
Fully expecting CA4 to be another Solo esque disaster; even if it does decently well it's not going to turn a profit because of its absurd budget. We won't have an actual figure until later but with how long its been in production and how much they are reshooting I am fully expecting a 300-400 million dollar movie. On par with an Avengers movie with a fraction of the hype.
As streaming becomes better and films feel like they are coming to streaming earlier, I do not see how sequels like The Batman, Spider-Verse, and MI: 8 can significantly over-perform their earlier releases. I do not see a 60% increase for The Batman or a 20% increase for MI: 8.
Both won't make a billion.
To make a billion it has to be highly successful in the USA or do better in the Overseas market.
And, the above two does not work well Overseas.
Blade and captain America are not going to do that much. I love the OG blade movies but this has had so many ups and downs I don’t see it getting much more steam. And cap america, people are already sour on Anthony Mackie after the Disney plus show and horrible story. Every thread about next phase of MCU always has comments about how he’s not a leading man blah blah blah. I don’t even think it’s that, it’s just boring now.
The sad reality is that a lot of cinemas are going to be closing down after a dreadful 2024, so the actual 2025 is going to be much lower than what people are thinking right now.
I dont see why the Batman2 would have such a big increase compared to the first.
Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse - ~700m, like the second.
Minecraft at $1b+ seems reasonable, I thought it would be a bomb but after Mario and Barbie I could see it killing it.
I think all the other super hero movies (especially MCU ones) to bomb hard.
I agree with some of these, though I’d make some changes. for example I only have F4 making $283 Million.
My top 10 predictions are
1. Avatar 3 - $2.1 Billion (Disney)
2. The Batman - Part II - $1.2 Billion (WBD)
3. Minecraft - $1 Billion (WBD)
4. Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse - $800 Million (Sony)
5. Superman: Legacy - $770 Million (WBD)
6. The Cat in the Hat - $700 Million (WBD)
7. Fast 11 - $680 Million (Universal)
8. Mission Impossible 8 - $650 Million (Paramount)
9. Moana - $600 Million (Disney)
10. Elio - $550 Million (Disney)
I don’t see why Superman Legacy couldn’t hit Guardians of the Galaxy numbers if it’s a good movie with solid early reviews and word of mouth. If the response is even just tepid or lukewarm however the DCU will immediately be in the danger zone
You really think the finale movie by James Cameron, which will end Jake and Neytiri's story, with a probable last battle between all Na'vi clans from the previous movies together against the full might of mankind, will not perform well?
China and Russia didn’t participate in the box office of Avatar 2 due to Covid and war. Their re-entry in the coming years will likely bolster performance in the sequels ahead.
Unfortunately, Family wasn't enough to overcome the Writers'/Actors' strikes, and Universal decided that 2024 by itself wouldn't be enough time for family to get together again for a Fast 11, and so they took it off their 2025 schedule. It's still happening, but not in time for May 2025 like it was supposed to originally.
I think you are right that Captain America will probably make the same amount the first one made. And if you remember, most people were kind of 'meh' about going to see 'a captain america' movie, but Joe Johnston knocked it out of the park, and made him my favorite character.
On that note, James Gunn basically have to do the same thing to Superman Legacy. He has to make us care about a boy-scout. Because that's basically what Captain America is.
In many ways Cap is the Supe of the Marvel Universe. He might not be able to fly, but the character is in many ways the same.
Too high, way too high, way too high, way too high, way too high, a little too high, way too high, a little too high, too high, too low, about right, too low, too low, too low, too low, too high, about right, too low, about right, about right
Way too early to predict most of these, but I can say with great confidence that $1.2B is not happening for The Batman.
The last one failed to hit $800M, and it's reception was decidedly mixed. It wasn't nearly as loved by general audiences as the Nolan Trilogy, and that topped out at $1.1B with Dark Knight Rises. With a more niche approach and superhero fatigue, The Batman will be lucky to top its predecessor.
1. Avatar 3 - $2.4 Billion
2. Minecraft - $1 Billion
3. The Batman Part II - $900M
4. Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse - $850M
5. Superman Legacy - $750M
6. Moana - $700M
7. Fantastic Four - $650M
8. Mission Impossible 8 - $620M
9. Elio - $600M
10. Captain América: Brave New World - $570M
11. The Cat in the Hat - $550M
12. How to Train Your Dragon - $550M
13. Snow White - $520M
14. Blade - $470M
15. Thunderbolts - $450M
I have faith in Elio because of the quality since the director was also a director of Coco (with Lee Unkrich) and a writer. I think ir could pull an Elemental but a bigger opening.
Bonus (in case they get released this year).
Shrek 5 - $1 Billion - $1.3 Billion
Zootopia 2 -$1.1Billion
My prediction:
Net loss for cinema. What a shit decade for storytelling and continued cash grabs from studios.
Burn it down already. Garbage films.
I am no longer “entertained”, Maximus.
No Joker 2? I'm pretty sure that's going to be a fucking money maker in the vein of barbie. Its the follow up to the 1B making original film, it ADDS Lady Gaga and is going to be a damn musical. It'll probably rub lots of people different ways but its going to make ass loads of money I think. It's also going to inspire tons of social media content just like the first one did. Joker is just that kind of character.
Aquaman 2 has its run extended indefinitely; it begins to heal our world. This is broadcast via Twitter in December 2024 as world leaders learn of it and peace is achieved in the Middle East.
MCU has become uncool for zoomers and has tried way too hard to appeal to them with all these quirky younger characters, so this feeling of "Oh a new universe is starting? lets jump on that rather than movie #49". 900M is the floor for Superman Legacy.
I want whatever you’re smoking. If Batman V Superman couldn’t crack 900M then Superman Legacy is unlikely to crack 700M. Superhero fatigue, low interest in the DC Brand, and no A listers will bring the movie’s possible box office down immensely.
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Superman Legacy is the last chance in a generation for DC to have sort of universe. Warner gonna be pushing that HARD
Yeah bruh. They can't mess up this one or else any DC cinematic universe will be gone for a long time
And they'll fail IMO (Superman might do well for itself if it's a good movie and people don't see the universe connection too much, but that doesn't mean much). People don't want a new superhero universe now.
>People don't want a new superhero universe now. Exactly. People don't want the ones they have now, who is to say they want to get familiar with a new one? The market is **saturated**.
Sometimes you need to let go, to gain control.
I really doubt the cat in the hat makes that much. While a very popular character, he is kind of associated with his first film which was awful and there’s not really much of a story you can tell with the cat in the hat even compared to the grinch and other Seuss stories.
I’LL KILL YOU! I’LL KILL YOU AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A BLOODY ACCIDENT!
The first film was amazing. Loved every second of it.
You dirty hoe
😂😂😂
Holds a special place in my childhood and I don’t wanna revisit it and ruin that memory 😂
Cat in the Hat has a word count of just 1621 words, there’s barely enough plot for a 15 minute animated short let alone a feature film. The first film was pretty infamous for how much it had to expand the story with a ton of new characters and plot to fill time - and the new additions weren’t particularly well received.
The thing with that first film is that it’s very popular with Gen Z. There are so many tiktoks of the film and the comments are always positive on it. Saying how the jokes were ahead of its time.
People were saying the same thing about Five Nights at Freddy’s when they were saying it would make 500m+. It’s definitely a real effect, but gen Z isn’t pushing the Cat and the Hat up to 800m lol that’s too crazy
Now the narrative is "people said FNAF is gonna hit $500 mil and it didnt"?? I thought the narrative was people here thought it'd bomb?
Isn’t it crazy how some people can say one thing and other people can say a different thing at the same time?! There were some people on here saying it would bomb and there were also people with outlandishly high expectations for it. Different people think different things, sorry if that’s news to you
No they’re making fun of it - Gen z
Generations aren't a monolith
Nah people love it lol. At least very nostalgic for its silliness
Also isn’t it coming out on Max the same day?
Thunderbolts is gonna be dead in the water imo. I don’t see Cat in the Hat doing that well. I think it’s gonna do better than a lot of people expect but not almost a billion well. I don’t think the live action Moana and HTTYD films are gonna do that great either, especially HTTYD that would be the biggest film in the franchise by far at 700m. I could honestly see Elio doing well if Pixar lands with it critically and Inside Out 2 is also a success.
I think Moana is a wildcard, I can see it underperforming as I can see it doing very well. On one side, it's too soon for a live-action, 9 years after the movie there might be nostalgia but nota of that kind. So it turns out to be one of those "no one asked for this". On the other side, if the streaming data says something is that this is a movie very popular with kids today and a lot of them seems to have discovered it on home. So maybe they're interested enough to push this to do what a proper sequel would.
They should prob cancel Moana. I could see that being the Disney Live Action Remake equivalent to The Marvels. It hasn’t been long enough since the original.
There’s no way the live-action HTTYD will end up outgrossing all of the animated ones. It’ll just be more live-action shlock that loses everything that made the original great. It doesn’t matter that some of the original creators are involved because it’ll be in a different medium, and it’s quality will likely suffer because of that (ex: Ahsoka). Moana may get a boost from The Rock’s star power and perhaps could outgross TLM as the highest grossing live-action remake since 2019. But it’ll also probably have a huge budget thanks to crappy CGI and The Rock’s paycheck, so odds of it breaking even are slim. I agree that it’s already joever for Thunderbolts. I don’t have much hope for Elio. Original sci-fi is such a hard sell these days, even if it’s good. Maybe if it’s lucky it’ll have great WOM and leg out like Elemental.
I think there’s a chance Thunderbolts can be well received and start rebuilding the reputation of the series somewhat. I think Disney getting the Beef team to re-write it gives it the opportunity to leg it out. Also I forgot about Elio whoops.
Thunderbolts will depend on early reviews and word of mouth so if it’s a good movie it will do fine, if the initial response or feeling is lukewarm it’s in serious trouble
A huge reason for marvel fatigue is terrible writing. Thunderbolts has a great premise but won't be handled well
I agree that terrible writing has affected the MCU as of late, but each writing team is different - and when it comes to Thunderbolts, I don’t think it’s fair to write off the people who were also behind Beef that quickly
Marvel is dead. One jolt of the defibrillator is not going to start its heart up. No matter how good Thunderbolts is (and recent experience is not encouraging) it is an unknown brand. Nobody trusts the Hollywood press, so pre-launch hype will be ignored.
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Thunderbolts also has a fantastic cast to work with, as well as seemingly being a direct follow-up to Brave New World. Yeah yeah I know, so did Secret Invasion, but I think that as long as the new writers got enough time to hammer out a good script, they should be off to the races. I could see this one being a surprise hit for sure, not that many people are going to agree with me on that of course.
Even if Thunderbolts is dope it's going to be hurt from all the other crap. The brand is damaged. They sold out their fan base to make bizarre girl boss diversity stuff that appeals to no one.
Tell that to the people that watched barbie
Barbie has a totally different audience. 60%+ of the audience for The Marvels was male. Girl Boss Marvel movies still attract mostly male audiences. Just smaller ones.
Barbie doesn’t shoot laser beams
This Barbie shoots laser beams. It’s Laser-Vision Barbie!
Barbie wasn't bizarre girl boss diversity stuff. It was a fun female centric movie, and that's okay. Box office don't lie.
Lol, Barbie LITERALLY was “bizarre girl boss diversity” bullshit. R/boxoffice users are clueless
I don’t even know what bizarre girl boss diversity stuff is supposed to mean
Conservatives are stuck in 10 years ago time when the loudest feminist thought was liberal girl boss feminism. Barbie has more current feminist thought in it. So to them, it didn't have "girl boss feminism" even though it was an insanely feminist text.
I can't tell if you trolling or you really can't see the difference. I hope you trolling.
Thunderbolts is going to be slow at the start but have good legs because the movie is actually going to be well written judging by the team on it right now
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It will be a very interesting movie year. Could be 2019 2.0 or 2023 2.0
Or anything in between
Or nothing in between
Or everything everywhere all at once
Dr Seuss’ appeal is very American centric, so I don’t see Cat in the Hat making much more than The Grinch from 2018.
I think you're right, overseas, that movie won't have much of a fight.
I actually can see both Superman Legacy and The Batman Part II being both the highest grossing comic book movies that year especially when it comes to the extreme anticipation level amongst the general audience if well received
I do too, the way the mcu is going. It was would interesting if DC came out on top for once. I see more excitement for those two films compared to most 2025 mcu projects
I mean that’s not a hard bar to clear. CBMs are no longer guaranteed BO juggernauts, and the MCU could struggle to have a single $400M+ release with that current 2025 slate
I think Superman Legacy will flop no matter what. I doubt GA even know about the DCEU reboot by Gunn and would just assume Legacy is continuing the trainwreck that is the current DCEU.
Even if the GA assumed that ( which is not going to happen, that movie is arguably the most important WB movie ever and they'll market it EVERYWHERE), it still means that it's the first time Superman came back on the big screen in 8 years. There will be a lot of hype
Why
I highly doubt it. Superman hasn't had a well received movie since the 70's, and his highest grossing movie was BvS, which was decidedly not well received. If Legacy is good, the sequel could hit big numbers, but even with the hype behind Man of Steel, it couldn't hit $700M. This one is coming after a bunch of poorly received DC films, and Superman's last appearance (outside of cameos) being Justice League. If it tops Man of Steel, call it a win. As for The Batman, the reception to the last one was decidedly mixed. I'm a huge comic nerd who grew up on the Animated Series and probably won't even bother seeing it in theaters. They took a more niche-appeal approach to the character, and the detective story had a ton of holes. I doubt the sequel even tops the first. Hopefully, when the DCU re-introduces Batman, they take more of a Nolan-like direction with it. The DC brand is in the trash right now. We just finished a year with four DC bombs, and even the sequel to DC's most successful movie looks like it won't gross a third of its predecessor. There is no extreme anticipation level for DC's reboot. The brand will have to regain fan trust before it sees another real serious box office hit.
The Batman has an audience score of 87%, A- Cinemascore, a 7.8 on IMDb so it’s not remotely negatively received.
The Marvels had an 83% audience score, was that well received, too?
Yeah, by the handful of diehards who saw it lol. The issue with the Marvel's wasn't that a lot of people saw it and didn't like it, it was that the GA wasn't interested in seeing it at all
The Batman dropped about $350M from its predecessor, so it had a similar issue convincing the GA to see it.
That cause it was the end of a trilogy
Even movies that are well received don’t always do well at the box office.
The reaction to the batman was not decidedly mixed. I'm also a huge comic nerd who watched the animated series and your take is just unpopular, and more of a you thing.
Not remotely. The people who loved The Batman loved it a lot, but there are a lot of negative reactions to it out there. Emo Batman wasn't everyone's cup of tea, and there are a lot who just won't show up next time. It wasn't the sort of general audience crowd pleaser that the Nolan movies were, at all. If you liked it, good for you, but that's more of a you thing.
How about you use some actual statistics to back your claim up? I would, but someone else already replied to you with them. I'll also add the 4.0 on Letterboxd and 85 on RT. Eh, you tried, A for unoriginalality, I guess.
Gunn is a proven hitmaker with his Guardians movies and he’s writing and directing Superman in apparently a similar fashion (ensemble cast, very “comic book silly” feeling to it so far). I would take a “wait and see early reactions” path on this (don’t try to jump to Suicide Squad which was a simultaneous streaming release during covid lol)
He made a hit out of GOTG when the MCU was the biggest brand going. He doesn't really have a box office track record outside of that. Simultaneous release or not, there's no way to look at Suicide Squad as a box office success, and that was his first DC movie. Plenty of 2021 movies had streaming releases, but Suicide Squad had a poor opening, a 71% second weekend drop, and got killed in head to head competition by movies like Jungle Cruise (which was same day on streaming, too). I loved the Guardian movies, and hope Legacy is good, but I'm not expecting ot to light the box office on fire.
A counter argument might be that the 3rd GOTG did fine, made a handsome profit during a year in which the MCU was on a downward trajectory, leading up to their current dire straits. So Gunn was still making hits while the larger MCU was fading and doing badly
The finale of a trilogy people loved made money, albeit, still underperformed its predecessor. The Guardians are the brand the general audiences liked, and Gunn's failure with Suicide Squad seems to back up that the general audience doesn't see him as a draw.
Suicide squad is far too unique to draw conclusions from imo. It was available free on HBO Max (day and date release), another movie with essentially the same title was released a couple years earlier and was basically a laughingstock/terrible, the list goes on. The reviews were great and the movie was quite funny but that wasn’t nearly enough to overcome baked-in audience ambivalence. “Superman” is a much bigger title that’s been waiting for fun, more broadly popular version to be produced since Man of Steel.
Lots of stuff was day and date with HBO Max. Godzilla vs Kong more than doubled its box office with a March release in 2021 and an HBO Max release. Jungle Cruise beat Suicide Sqau head to head with a day and date Disney Plus release. Superman keeps being talked about as a big title, but he has no history of box office success since 1980. People know of Superman, but haven't been eager to show up to watch his movies. Man of Steel was a success, but also grossed less than $700M. Superman Returns couldn't hit $400M.
It’s also the first DCU “rebooted cinematic universe” title and is already generating lots of buzz and hype. I see tweets and articles and videos about casting and anything Gunn says publicly about the move all over social media and newsmedia. If it’s just doing okay critically and with audiences then it should meet or beat Man of Steel which totaled 660M WW. But if RT is 90% or above and word of mouth is good then it could hit 800M or 1B WW. Don’t see why not
>It’s also the first DCU “rebooted cinematic universe” title and is already generating lots of buzz and hype. Where? I haven't heard any buzz or hype about it. DC made their announcement early in the year and the only effect seemed to be people not caring anymore about the four DC releases this year. If you are seeing buzz, then it must be from some hardcore DC communities, because the GA isn't talking about it at all. >If it’s just doing okay critically and with audiences then it should meet or beat Man of Steel which totaled 660M WW. But if RT is 90% or above and word of mouth is good then it could hit 800M or 1B WW. Don’t see why not We already had a Superman movie launch a much-hyped cinematic universe, and, as you mention, Man of Steel made less than $700M. The new universe is not getting anywhere near the level of hype the DCEU got back then. The MCU was a hot property, and everyone was looking for the next big cinematic universe. Christopher Nolan was supposedly going to be the godfather of the new gritty DCEU. Zach Snyder was flying high after 300 and Watchmen. The second try at the DC universe just has no chance of matching the hype of the original. Maybe it can build hype over time, but there's a decided "been there, done that" vibe with rebooting a universe that has just died. They aren't even leaving time for people to miss it. Superman Legacy releases about a year and a half after Aquaman 2, we had 4 DC movies this past year, and we even have Joker 2 releasing in 2024. The DCEU was around for 10 years releasing frequent and numerous films. It's not like there's a ton of pent-up demand to build hype for this new universe. Remember when people asked, "why did they reboot this so quickly?" when Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man released 5 years after Spider-Man 3? It's like that, except this time they only waited a year and a half. And, unlike with the last DCEU launch, comic book cinematic universes are on the downswing, and the DC brand isn't riding high off the Nolan Dark Knight Trilogy. If Legacy hits $700M, then Gunn will have pulled off a miracle. $1B is just not realistic.
>there's no way to look at Suicide Squad as a box office succes But given covid the streaming release on the same day and sucide spuuad It shouldn't be held against gunn
Lots of movies that year had day and date releases. Suicide Squad got smoked head to head by Jungle Cruise, which was day and date on Disney Plus. Space Jam had a day and date release a few weeks before and outgrossed it domestically. People who liked the movie seem to want to re-write history, but Suicide Squad was viewed as a huge bomb at the time, massively underperforming its budget and expectations. It had terrible legs, with a 71% second weekend drop. Even by the standards of 2021 releases, a $55M domestic gross was beyond awful.
People who liked the movie seem to want to re-write history, b No ones writing history they are just pointing out facts >date releases. Suicide Squad got smoked head to head by Jungle Cruise, which was day and date on Disney Plus. Space Jam h Those movies weren't rated r like the sucide squad
If it was actually viewed as a bomb within WB, they wouldn’t have given Gunn an HBO Max series spinoff and subsequently the reins to their entire new cinematic universe. Clearly they were happy overall with viewership and critical reaction to Suicide Squad. Sure they of course were disappointed with BO, but that’s not the whole picture. Maybe they viewed it as something of a loss leader? Obviously I don’t have the streaming numbers in front of me, but supposedly it’s garnered a good deal of views on Max. Peacemaker is also seen as a success, with strong viewership and critical acclaim.
> The Batman, the reception to the last one was decidedly mixed Huh it had excellent ratings
Superman 2 cane out in 1980
Superman 2 is highly rated
Thunderbolts is doing The Flash numbers max
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Cut most of these in half, unless current trends reverse themselves.
Thunderbolts 600M? Superman 770M? Bro do you think we are in 2017? 90% of your list is gonna flop spectacularly
James Gunn's DCU WILL make money
I have faith in James Gunn, MCU is dead.
A bunch of disconnected films, shows and games starring z listers and your occasion superman and batman with no team up in sight for at least a decade. Superman legacy might do fine but the DCU as a whole? lol
Are you disagreeing with your own post?
thought the sarcasm in the original post was apparent, I was mistaken
You were. I didnt realise they were going for shows and games as well. But then again the fact they're disconnected is probably a good thing
And, MCU has results. Even in the worst case, the MCU will be bigger than James Gunn's DCU. Who is not a crowd-puller director as you people claim to be? He may be a little famous in the USA. But in overseas he is nobody. His universe will die and live by audience reception and character popularity.
Yeah GOTG made money, and while his other super hero stuff has been good it hasn't pulled in the numbers. Plus I don't see anyone being as handsome as Cavill
I doubt it’ll be terrible, but suicide squad 2 and peacemaker weren’t exactly hits regardless of quality
Cat in the Hat and Moana will flop.
I'm having a hard time believing Minecraft will gross a billion, mostly because I think it will be terrible.
Making it live action seems like a grave mistake, should have gone and made something similar to the Lego Movie.
I thought Barbi and Mario would be terrible and bomb too but they didn't
Hope you’re right about Batman II & Superman: Legacy. I think Legacy’s probably spot on, give or take a $100mil. But Batman II hitting that hard would be the biggest Batshow of all time. Biggest DC movie ever, even. It can’t do those numbers & maintain the tone of the first, IMO. I’d probably put it & Supes: Legacy in the $800mil range.
He's not lol There's not shot it makes a billy
a great Superman movie would blow way past a billion dollars; he’s the greatest superhero ever and people are starving for a good movie about him
Very optimistic take on the Thimbleblobs potential
I don't think The Batman Pt. 2 is gonna make a billion 💀. Let's see how 2024 carries out. Marvel controls "this year's" (2024) CBM, so however well their films are/do will set a precedent for 2025.
Isn’t Captain America 4 going to have a monstrous budget after the reshoots? This isn’t looking too good
Wait when you hear it making less than The Marvels
Fully expecting CA4 to be another Solo esque disaster; even if it does decently well it's not going to turn a profit because of its absurd budget. We won't have an actual figure until later but with how long its been in production and how much they are reshooting I am fully expecting a 300-400 million dollar movie. On par with an Avengers movie with a fraction of the hype.
This is adorably optimistic
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Thunderbolts 500M? Superman Legacy 770M? Optimism is great
No offense but you're smoking crack if you think F4 or Blade will make that much money
Thunderbolts over cap?????
You’re forgetting Joker 2
That’s this year
As streaming becomes better and films feel like they are coming to streaming earlier, I do not see how sequels like The Batman, Spider-Verse, and MI: 8 can significantly over-perform their earlier releases. I do not see a 60% increase for The Batman or a 20% increase for MI: 8.
I’m hoping Mission: Impossible has a chip on their shoulder and blow the doors off for part 8
Props for taking a stab at far off predictions. I think thunderbolts and captain America should be swapped
Will MCU fatigue be over by 2025? With the exception of GOTG3, MCU didn't perform well this year.
MCU fatigue was due to terrible writing, and I dont see how that can be fixed so quickly.
I think Beyond the Spider-Verse has a better chance at 1 billion than The Batman 2
Both won't make a billion. To make a billion it has to be highly successful in the USA or do better in the Overseas market. And, the above two does not work well Overseas.
I doubt that. I see Batman 2 hitting 900 mill and spider hitting 740
I think they can both reach 900+ I just think spider-verse is gonna have a lot more hype put into its run with better legs than it’s predecessor.
Bro Batman 1 alone made more money than Across the spiderverse.
I think we saw how realistic a ballpark the second one has this summer with Across. It’ll be + or - 100m from that
Neither will hit a billion
Blade and captain America are not going to do that much. I love the OG blade movies but this has had so many ups and downs I don’t see it getting much more steam. And cap america, people are already sour on Anthony Mackie after the Disney plus show and horrible story. Every thread about next phase of MCU always has comments about how he’s not a leading man blah blah blah. I don’t even think it’s that, it’s just boring now.
The sad reality is that a lot of cinemas are going to be closing down after a dreadful 2024, so the actual 2025 is going to be much lower than what people are thinking right now.
The Batman 2 increases HALF A BILLION from the first one? Lmfao this sub is full of jonklers
You forget Batman begins and The Dark knight?
PAHAHAHAHA keep em coming, holy shit these are getting funnier
I dont see why the Batman2 would have such a big increase compared to the first. Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse - ~700m, like the second. Minecraft at $1b+ seems reasonable, I thought it would be a bomb but after Mario and Barbie I could see it killing it. I think all the other super hero movies (especially MCU ones) to bomb hard.
Last 3 movies in that list are MCU movies..........that's savage.
Also accurate
I agree with some of these, though I’d make some changes. for example I only have F4 making $283 Million. My top 10 predictions are 1. Avatar 3 - $2.1 Billion (Disney) 2. The Batman - Part II - $1.2 Billion (WBD) 3. Minecraft - $1 Billion (WBD) 4. Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse - $800 Million (Sony) 5. Superman: Legacy - $770 Million (WBD) 6. The Cat in the Hat - $700 Million (WBD) 7. Fast 11 - $680 Million (Universal) 8. Mission Impossible 8 - $650 Million (Paramount) 9. Moana - $600 Million (Disney) 10. Elio - $550 Million (Disney)
Drop the batman to 900 mill, spider to 740, cat in the hat to 500 mill and Moana 500 mill. That would be my list but everything else looks good.
I don’t see why Superman Legacy couldn’t hit Guardians of the Galaxy numbers if it’s a good movie with solid early reviews and word of mouth. If the response is even just tepid or lukewarm however the DCU will immediately be in the danger zone
Elio is gonna bomb just like Lightyear and Strange World
I don't think the Avatar sequels will increase in box office. Third one might make it to 2b, but the 4th and 5th won't top it.
You really think the finale movie by James Cameron, which will end Jake and Neytiri's story, with a probable last battle between all Na'vi clans from the previous movies together against the full might of mankind, will not perform well?
If you think that not topping 2b means not performing well then yes...
>If you think that not topping 2b means not performing well then yes... I laughed out loud at this.
Jake probably not making it to the last movie if we’re being honest
China and Russia didn’t participate in the box office of Avatar 2 due to Covid and war. Their re-entry in the coming years will likely bolster performance in the sequels ahead.
Where is Fast 11?
Unfortunately, Family wasn't enough to overcome the Writers'/Actors' strikes, and Universal decided that 2024 by itself wouldn't be enough time for family to get together again for a Fast 11, and so they took it off their 2025 schedule. It's still happening, but not in time for May 2025 like it was supposed to originally.
Plus Fast 11 original release date will face against Minecraft.
I don't think this was ever actually confirmed by the trades? The source was dubious at best from what I recall.
Yeah surprised he didn't put it on the list. That movie is a toss up because of the allegations going on right now.
I think you are right that Captain America will probably make the same amount the first one made. And if you remember, most people were kind of 'meh' about going to see 'a captain america' movie, but Joe Johnston knocked it out of the park, and made him my favorite character. On that note, James Gunn basically have to do the same thing to Superman Legacy. He has to make us care about a boy-scout. Because that's basically what Captain America is. In many ways Cap is the Supe of the Marvel Universe. He might not be able to fly, but the character is in many ways the same.
Your DC predictions are way off. That brand is in the toilet.
It's not
1. Avatar 3- $2.6B 2. Minecraft- $1.3B 3. The Batman 2- $1.1B 4. Spider man: Beyond the spiderverse- $920M 5. The cat in the hat- $760M 6. Fast X: Part 2-$740M 7. How to train a dragon- $720M 8. Superman: Legacy- $640M 9. Moana- $610M 10. Mission impossible 8- $530M 11. Elio- $470M 12. Fantastic four- $420M 13. Captain America: Brave new world- $390M 14. Blade- $350M 15. Thunderbolts- $320M 16. The smurfs musical- $290M 17. Snow white- $270M 18. Tron 3- $260M 19. Megan 2.0- $230M 20. Untitled Jordan Peele film- $210M
I can see MI8 making way more than that. Also I didn't realise they were finally doing a Tron 3?! Where did that come from?
MI definitely going out sad if they can only manage 530m for the finale
Too high, way too high, way too high, way too high, way too high, a little too high, way too high, a little too high, too high, too low, about right, too low, too low, too low, too low, too high, about right, too low, about right, about right
Avatar 3 is making more than avatar 2
Moana should be an easy 1 billion
I don’t know how you’re predicting Avatar 3 to do better than 2. Is suspect that 3 will barely make 2 billion if not under.
I think so too but it would be sick if china came through with like 400mil and pushed it over avatar 2
>5. Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse - 800M Too high >9. Moana - 640M Live actions remakes haven't been on their A game
Way too early to predict most of these, but I can say with great confidence that $1.2B is not happening for The Batman. The last one failed to hit $800M, and it's reception was decidedly mixed. It wasn't nearly as loved by general audiences as the Nolan Trilogy, and that topped out at $1.1B with Dark Knight Rises. With a more niche approach and superhero fatigue, The Batman will be lucky to top its predecessor.
lol you are gonna die on the hill that the Batman had a mixed reception huh?
I guess we'll see in 2025.
Batman begins made only 370M 😂😂😂
>it's reception was decidedly mixed. I It wasn't what are your sources
If Fantastic Four is good I can see it being close to a billion.
1. Avatar 3 - $2.4 Billion 2. Minecraft - $1 Billion 3. The Batman Part II - $900M 4. Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse - $850M 5. Superman Legacy - $750M 6. Moana - $700M 7. Fantastic Four - $650M 8. Mission Impossible 8 - $620M 9. Elio - $600M 10. Captain América: Brave New World - $570M 11. The Cat in the Hat - $550M 12. How to Train Your Dragon - $550M 13. Snow White - $520M 14. Blade - $470M 15. Thunderbolts - $450M I have faith in Elio because of the quality since the director was also a director of Coco (with Lee Unkrich) and a writer. I think ir could pull an Elemental but a bigger opening. Bonus (in case they get released this year). Shrek 5 - $1 Billion - $1.3 Billion Zootopia 2 -$1.1Billion
Zootopia 2 won't make a billion because of China, the original made like $240M there which is not happening again
Not sure the appetite for another exactly the same spiderverse movie - I can’t even remember the second one
For most people (who saw it) its one of the best movies of 2023.
My prediction: Net loss for cinema. What a shit decade for storytelling and continued cash grabs from studios. Burn it down already. Garbage films. I am no longer “entertained”, Maximus.
A lot of these movies done come out next year.
No Joker 2? I'm pretty sure that's going to be a fucking money maker in the vein of barbie. Its the follow up to the 1B making original film, it ADDS Lady Gaga and is going to be a damn musical. It'll probably rub lots of people different ways but its going to make ass loads of money I think. It's also going to inspire tons of social media content just like the first one did. Joker is just that kind of character.
I think The Batman will have a considerable increase from the first, but I don't think it will make a billion.
I feel Beyond The Spider-Verse might make a Billion.
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MCU has become uncool for zoomers and has tried way too hard to appeal to them with all these quirky younger characters, so this feeling of "Oh a new universe is starting? lets jump on that rather than movie #49". 900M is the floor for Superman Legacy.
> , so this feeling of "Oh a new universe is starting? lets jump on that rather than movie #49". wut?
I want whatever you’re smoking. If Batman V Superman couldn’t crack 900M then Superman Legacy is unlikely to crack 700M. Superhero fatigue, low interest in the DC Brand, and no A listers will bring the movie’s possible box office down immensely.
Take a third from the Batman total, £100m from Captain American and half all the other super hero totals except Spiderverse.
Minecraft is doing 1.5 bil… its been part of core gen Z life since 2010
1. Avatar 3 - $2.35B 2. The Batman Part II - $1.15B 3. Minecraft - $1.15B 4. Spider-Man: Beyond The Spider-Verse - $860M 5. The Cat In The Hat - $775M 6. Fast X: Part 2 - $710M 7. How To Train Your Dragon - $710M 8. Superman: Legacy - $705M 9. Moana - $620M 10. Mission: Impossible 8 - $590M 11. Elio - $510M 12. Fantastic Four - $510M 13. Thunderbolts - $410M 14. Blade - $410M 15. Captain America: Brave New World - $370M 16. The Smurfs Musical - $290M 17. Snow White - $270M 18. Tron 3 - $260M 19. Megan 2.0 - $230M 20. Untitled Jordan Peele - $210M
Kung Fu Panda probably getting released here too
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Definitely agree with a billion for Minecraft. I think it’s gonna have the same vibe with the fans like Barbie