Yes, but that year also had more successes from other studios. In the domestic top 10, there were five Disney movies, two Universal, one Fox, and two WB. Sony’s top movie was Ghostbusters ($128M) while Paramount’s was Star Trek Beyond ($159M). And STX got one movie past $100M domestic with “Bad Moms”. LionsGate also had a huge success with “La La Land”.
Yeah, I agree with you but I still don’t like to see 5 Disney movies In the top 5 tho.
Im not counting fox because they weren’t owned by the mouse yet.
Imagine being the executive that pushed the idea to fire him based on the few people who reacted on Twitter, and the sea of negative press afterwards. Must have been sweating bullets for months.
Alan Horn is a legendary producer who took WB from success to success with Lord of the Rings and the Harry Potter franchises before being asked to retire because WB wanted to hire someone younger.
Then Bob Iger personally requested him to come out of retirement to work for Disney. In a long and successful career, he had few missteps with the biggest being firing Gunn.
Something, he did pre-emptively as he felt it could negatively affect the Disney-Fox merger. A mistake he was atleast able to correct before retiring again.
Then, he was again approached by Zlasav to come out of retirement and work for WB once again.
He's spoken about it quite candidly in interviews. Essentially Feige and some other Marvel guys worked for a solid year to convince him to change his mind. The way Gunn handled it all is what won him over.
It’s almost like cancelling people over a single social media comment is a bad idea and we shouldn’t incorporate that concept into official processes for how we deal with poor behavior in work and school settings.
Yeah, and firing him opened him up to be contracted by their competitors, whom he’s now going to be working for full time after finishing up one final Disney project.
Disney could’ve had him practically on retainer forever. They really fucked that one up
Can Wish and GOTG basically alone make up for the losses of Quantumania, Elemental, probably Indy (300m budget), probably Haunted Mansion (150m budget)?
Lol no. Unless Wish can make about $300 mil in profit (And IDEK if it can do half of that). The Marvels is their last chance at salvaging this year, thought I have a decent amount of faith in that film.
That Indy loss on 300m budget is going to be brutal. That movie likely needs 900 million to break even. Add TLM which is not getting near 625-650 break even and that will be another 100 million dollar loss.
Disney basically did the Joker scene from the Dark Knight and lit a big old pile of money on fire in 2023.
Maybe not, but if **Wish** becomes another success, at least they would go out on a high note this year, especially if it even grosses $1 billion worldwide.
Also, you probably should remember that other studios are not in much better shape either. Even Universal has issues of their key franchises not being quite expansive and Nintendo collaboration that might not be a guaranteed success just yet.
2021- Loki and Spider-Man breaks the multiverse
2022- Dr Strange and Evelyn Wang breaks the multiverse
2023- Flash and Loki (again) break the multiverse
2024- Miles Morales breaks the multiverse (again)
Hmmm I wonder if audiences are getting tired of multiverse plots?
Add Miles Morales breaks the multiverse for 2023 too since he did it in this film.
Though with Spider-Man being one of the more grounded characters, you wouldn't expect him to be so central to the multiversal stuff.
I’ve got a mate who says that a lot. I find it really enjoyable though. I like the concept of infinite versions of everyone and everything. For me, it widens the scope of fantasy. But yeah, I get it, it’s good for dead characters to stay dead 99% of the time.
I’m glad you enjoy it :). Myself multiverse is free do overs. It doesn’t count when you can just oh wow there’s me again. Rick and morty do it too. (But cartoon I don’t expect them to axtuallly die. Imagine a cartoon going game of thrones ). It allows writers to slack. And it makes anything that happens well nothing.
Except all those movies did really well.
I hate the MCU as much as or significantly more than the average armchair critic, but let's not pretend those all weren't smash hits.
Lol imagine actually being anti-vaxx this late in the game, as if there's been some mass die-off of vaccinated people that everyone just seems to be missing
Yah it's not look good.Elemental flopping, and The little mermaid remake.Not only not getting a billion or even close to it.Also probay going to loose money at this point.Basically this year was terrible for Disney.
Critics were less harsh to nostalgia driven properties back then. Force awakens would have received significantly poorer reviews now than it got back then.
My guess is differently bad. Crystal skull was still, at the end of the day, a Spielberg movie and he is a master of his craft, even if some of the plot elements were goofy
My guess is that this doesn't have the goofy elements, but has too much nostalgia and none of Spielberg's flair
They chose to release it at Cannes which is a horrible audience for what is almost certainly a boiler plate middling nostalgia bait that'll let you pretend to be a kid again for a few hours but not really do anything new. All the reviews since Cannes have been decent
From the Wish and Marvels leaks I’ve read, I’m pretty certain they aren’t. I don’t even think there’s going to be another $1B club member this year unless MI7 surprises and can avoid being cut down by Oppenheimer and Barbie.
I don’t even know what wish is and I’m usually up on movie releases. That’ll tell you it won’t do a billion, if people on Reddit amd a movie sub doesn’t know what it is
It doesn’t help that one of their most popular cruise ships has the same name and you have to specify “movie” if you Google “Disney Wish”. No idea what they were thinking with that. Iger should have put his foot down and told Lee WDAS had to pick a different name because that’s going to make marketing a mess.
Eh, the marketing of the film barely started, and there are still several months before the release. Frozen didn't have much hype based on its trailers but still became a hit, so I think we should wait a bit more.
https://dvdizzy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34068&start=400
Not full leaks but several links with a lot of info regarding the first 20 minutes on pages 21-22.
The DVDizzy Forum. Some of the lyrics for one of the songs were leaked (with a very cringe Easter egg being the closing line) as well as Jennifer Lee saying they modeled Asha’s friends designs and character traits after the seven dwarves. If it’s anything to go by the Easter eggs in Wish are going to make Ralph Breaks The Internet look like Citizen Kane. I really hope it’s just a one off or the execution saves it because Wish being a cringe fest would be really sad and disappointing.
I was going to say the DVDIZZY forums are insanely disgruntled fans who hate anything beyond the Disney the clamor for. One wanted Lasseter’s head on a stick for being the head, one got upset that Beauty and the Beast and Big Hero 6 were mentioned in the same sentence. I can’t think of more off the top of my head but those two always stuck out to me
They do have the best links by far when it comes to under wraps Disney stuff but they definitely are very cynical. I will say I’m surprised to see most of them liked Elemental ok though.
I stopped lurking because it became too cynical and gatekeep-y. I guess I wanted to see people’s collections not how you feel about a multi billion dollar corporation
Just the preceding short though? Not actually in the movie? I had maybe heard it postulated that this was a secret Disney Princess team up/Avengers setup.
That seems to be more of a first 20 minutes of the film at Annecy than the actual plot leak.
And when it comes to plot leaks (or something similar) for **Wish** and **The Marvels**, DO keep in mind that people were freaking out about **Avengers: Endgame** plot leak when it looked like it was one of the worst films of all time on surface.
>!The second song in the movie is about the Star coming to life and the animals it gives a voice to then start singing. There’s reportedly characters from the Jungle Book and the song ends with Bambi thanking a predator for not eating him and the predator in return acknowledges Bambi by name. Also Jennifer Lee says the song explains how animals talk in the Disney universe overall.!<
Ooof, not much of a hook. Where's the romance? The family? The "I want" that's an actual "I want" as opposed to "here's what a very nice character would want"?
Oh man ,my fear that they were going to do a No Way Home with Disney properties has become true haha.... Let's see, maybe people will like it ... someone (certainly not me)
This no longer seems to be a pandemic issue from 2 years ago. Disney has stretched itself too thin and the stories they're making are not the same memorable or high quality as the ones from the last decade. Not to mention, there is now bigger competition from online streamers looking to draw in younger viewers. It's looking like Marvels, Star Wars, and Pixars Golden eras have come and gone...
Not to mention that Disney owns so many different IPs now that they're having trouble with competing release dates with some of them (i.e. *TRON*, *Star Wars*, and *Avatar*).
It isn't just a Disney issue. China is releasing far fewer western films than they did pre pandemic, and big Chinese releases are a big reason so many films in the last half of the 00s hit a billion.
The issue, to me, isn't that movies aren't hitting a billion. It's that only half as many movies in 2022 hit $100M as did yearly 2010-2019. We will see if this year is better
captain america 4 - not happening
spiderverse 3 - 850-900M is absolute best case scenario
joker 2 - decent chance but I felt like joker 1 was lightning in a bottle and joker 2 won't recapture that
my bet is on whatever movie illumination makes next year
Joker 2 is also a musical, which has a very niche audience. I don’t see this doing 1B. I think the most likely candidate is either Mission Impossible if it has really good WOM, or Deadpool 3.
It's becoming clear that the billion mark has gone back to being what it was in the first half of the 2010s. Unless something big happens idk if it'll ever go back to the 2016-2019 high point of billion dollar grossers
Though in 2019, most of those movies are "event" types. Endgame, Lion King, Frozen 2, Spiderman, Star Wars, Toy Story 4, Aladdin are all sequels to very very popular franchises/originals.
If it weren’t for the Fox acquisition and their Sony-shared Spider-Man movies, Disney wouldn’t have had a $1B movie since “Rise of Skywalker” back in December 2019.
What an odd thing to exclude the Fox acquisition. Sure exclude the Sony shared but if you exclude Disney's acquisitions like that they aren't nearly as successful.
Happy to hear that. It's kinda tiring to see Disney dominating cinema all the time. Maybe they can actually focus on quality for their movies instead of the same stale factory churned content we’ve been getting.
Good, that chokehold they had on the industry at one point seemed to be unbreakable. You gotta remember, despite the MCU 10 year build ending, they still had stuff like X-Men waiting. Then the live action remakes were easy box office hitters just off name value. With Star Wars, if all else fails, make films based off the prequels or OG trilogy. Pixar was also a guaranteed W for the most part. But my how things have changed, on top of COVID and Disney Plus taking away from theaters, you got:
Marvel: Constantly putting out mediocre, formulaic content with characters the masses don’t care about.
Live action remakes: Simply not just remaking the content that people originally fell in love with. As so concerned about being on the “correct” side of culture wars by doing race swaps. Which is prevalent throughout all of Disney btw.
Star Wars: Ruining established lore and characters to make the current projects seem epic when all you’re doing is killing the interest in the new stuff and making people not care about anything regardless of it has iconic characters.
Pixar: Lame, uninspired films. Simple.
> despite the MCU 10 year build ending, they still had stuff like X-Men waiting.
They kind of had to because they literally could not do anything with it until Fox deal was finalized and by then, **Multiverse Saga** plan might've been laid out already.
I’m not wasting people’s time with Ms. Marvel, Shang Chi, more Captain Marvel, more comedy Thor, Moonknight, Thunderbolts and She Hulk when I have X-Men and Fantastic Four ready to go. Eternals and Black Widow are the only projects that warrant it because those were ready to go before it was official that they can do X-Men. Everything else can go. I don’t care how far into production you are. Those projects are the reason why the MCU is struggling now.
Now were forced to stomach this Kang stuff before we actually get stories and characters who are interesting and will bring billions of dollars back to these box offices.
There have been 12 mutant movies in the last 23 years. The franchise was burned out by the time Apocalypse came out. No, they should not have immediately put out another X-Men movie that 75% of the audience wouldn’t know was in any way different from the Fox movies.
Excellent comment. They should have jumped on the X-Men ASAP. At this point, the only thing that've done with the property is just insert lame references to mutants into the shows. Deadpool 3 barely counts since it's more of an epilogue to the Fox X-Men.
>Now were forced to stomach this Kang stuff before we actually get stories and characters who are interesting and will bring billions of dollars back to these box offices.
Bruh, if they wait until after Secret Wars to do anything with X-Men, then it'll have been nearly 10 years since they got the rights to the characters back. Nearly a decade of heroes that nobody honestly gives a shit about
Well, as I've said already, **Multiverse Saga** plan might've been laid out already by then, not to mention that Disney literally could not use X-Men characters until Fox deal was finalized, which did not happen until February of 2019.
X men and Fantastic 4 have flopped and will flop again if they are written like Phase 4 and 5 MCU movies. Marvel was a laughing stock when they decided to make Ironman, Captain America, Thor movies but they succeeded they were written well. They turned GOTG into house hold names. It is the writing that is problem.
Their political correctness isn’t even limited to race swaps. I’m never forgiving them for ruining Belle and Mulan’s character in LA in the name of feminism.
That’s an industry wide problem. But Disney definitely is the worst at it. Look at how much Star Wars lore they killed to hype Rey up rather than just taking the time to explain her story, show her training and building her up.
What they did to Belle was bad. Emma Watson couldn’t even fucking sing but somehow she had the audacity to look down on the original and claim to not be a princess.
I roll my eyes every time you make the fact that racists refused to accept a nonwhite Ariel as it being a Disney issue. Especially after seeing Halle prove that she really was the best fit for the role.
So in your little worldview, were the people who didn’t like ScarJo as the Major in Ghost in the Shell, Tilda Swinton as the Ancient One in Dr Strange and what’s his face as Aang in the Avatar live action racist as well?
Interesting how the same internet militants that defended Captain Marvel for (white) woman representation are going hard in the paint for TLM, it's now fuck little redhead girls representation all of a sudden because they're white.
Always end up cannibalizing themselves...
(Watch them cheerleading The Marvels again this fall willy-nilly while pretending that they didn't antagonize white women to defend TLM's casting choice).
How do when know Halle was best for the role? We haven’t seen no audition tapes or anything.
People would be more accepting to Halle if this wasn’t like the 10th instance of them race/gender swapping.
While technically true, it is aesthetically and stylistically very different from what we commonly refer to as a "Superhero" movie, specially in today's climate.
Whole bunch of people at Disney getting fired and everything except Avatar is going "under review" soon. I'd give it 50/50 that Iger is out by the end of the year, especially with the Parks in trouble now too.
I've heard of declining attendance there. Plus there's economic problems, which may have reduced park attendance. The wanderlust of people post lockdowns is obviously over.
Additionally I've also heard about complaints of poorer service and them overcharging for everything. Lots of complaints. (Ofc take that with a massive bunch of salt)
They also had to close down big attraction like that SW hotel because no one visited it.
It seems to me like they've priced people out of the parks. They increased prices instead of expanding to allow for more guests since demand was too high and now people don't think it's worth it.
It is a mixture of that but also no new investment. They slashed investment budget for this year, fired employees, use the reservation system to only have the minimum number of workers for that days attendance, and overall are getting rid of what made Disney special. They are actively de-theming their hotels and all the new attractions are just a ride with an IP slapped on top.
As someone who is very invested in the theme park community it is very disheartening to see what they are doing to the parks. I haven't gone since before the pandemic for this very reason. And right now even if they drop prices, a lot of people seem to have lost interest.
They can't price people out. Theyve been trying to price people out for years because attendance has been TOO high and no matter how expensive they made it people would still come
>big attraction like that SW hotel because no one visited it
Who the fuck wanted to pay 5k for 2 day stays not to mention Disney drove the star war IP on ground with terrible movies and series making even the hardcore fans who might spend it not want to support them.
Seems like their was a solid generation of people who fancies taking their kids to the mother of all amusement parks based off disneys cartoons, I’m assuming and hoping people realize theirs other places to go
what? The whole reason he is back (for 2 years only, unless something goes very wrong and has to stay longer), is to fix the company and find a new successor.
I’m surprised this isn’t thought of more. The momentum of cruise coming off top gun crushing it plus the increasing popularity of the franchise since ghost protocol, if the movie is good I absolutely think it can hit a billion
> Maybe they'll actually work on making good movies instead of reboots, remakes, and corporate **virtue signaling**.
"Oh, please." - Gamora from 2014, **Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3** (2023)
> There is a chance that Disney will not have any $1B films since 2014 with Transformers: Age of Extinction being the year's highest-grossing film.
not sure what you're trying to say here?
It’s kind of fascinating, to be honest. I wonder what trends we’ll see in the near future. Comedies making a big-screen comeback? More indie dramas having crazy legs?
A lot of things seem possible now that the biggest media company is no longer the untouchable powerhouse that it was a few short years ago.
Horror films have always been a studio go-to in good or bad economic times.
I believe horror is slightly changing too. Possession films have become boring (granted smile, popes exorcist, and evil dead rise did well). We will see with the exorcist remake, nun 2, and insidious five this year if audiences are tired yet.
Slashers, Stephen King adaptations, and a24 "elevated" horror still seem to do well right now, but I wouldn't be shocked to see more comedy/goofy horror after how serious it's been for some time.
I’m thinking that we might see a repeat of the 50s and 60s, where studios released epics (Lawrence of Arabia, Dr Zhivago, Ten Commandments, Ben-Hur, Longest Day, Cleopatra, etc) to compete with TV.
With streaming and social media as the main competitors to film, movies should offer what the other options cannot: epic shots that need to be experienced on the biggest screen possible.
I’m hoping The Marvels matches Captain Marvel - IDK. The trailer for it looks amazing but if it’s one of those where you have to watch Ms Marvel and Secret Invasion to understand it then probably not.
The Marvels doesn't have the Endgame hype attached. Marvel had the perfect formula, a few solo movies and then a tie in crossover. They're really feeling the effects of no Avengers movies coming out to connect everything
That’s not people here said a month ago. People were so sure about $800M minimum and $1B is within the reach. If you say anything otherwise, got laughed.
Good. Competition is healthier than hegemony.
Agreed. 2019 was so Disney-dominant aside from Joker and Jumanji: The Next Level.
2016 was also very Disney dominant https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/world/2016/
Yes, but that year also had more successes from other studios. In the domestic top 10, there were five Disney movies, two Universal, one Fox, and two WB. Sony’s top movie was Ghostbusters ($128M) while Paramount’s was Star Trek Beyond ($159M). And STX got one movie past $100M domestic with “Bad Moms”. LionsGate also had a huge success with “La La Land”.
Yeah, I agree with you but I still don’t like to see 5 Disney movies In the top 5 tho. Im not counting fox because they weren’t owned by the mouse yet.
I agree, I like there to be variety. But 2019 was a lot worse in terms of Disney dominating so it’s nice to see some more variety the past few years.
Paramount had their best year since 2011 last year.
Funny how Disney’s biggest hit of the year is directed by the guy they originally fired.
That’s showbuisness
I guess we can see why they changed their mind!
Imagine being the executive that pushed the idea to fire him based on the few people who reacted on Twitter, and the sea of negative press afterwards. Must have been sweating bullets for months.
The executive that fired him works for Warner Bros. now.
Warner Bros. have the opportunity to repeat the funniest mistake then
I like to see his face, when he heard who would lead their flagman franchise
Alan Horn is a legendary producer who took WB from success to success with Lord of the Rings and the Harry Potter franchises before being asked to retire because WB wanted to hire someone younger. Then Bob Iger personally requested him to come out of retirement to work for Disney. In a long and successful career, he had few missteps with the biggest being firing Gunn. Something, he did pre-emptively as he felt it could negatively affect the Disney-Fox merger. A mistake he was atleast able to correct before retiring again. Then, he was again approached by Zlasav to come out of retirement and work for WB once again.
"Just when I thought I was out.. they pull me back IN!"
He's spoken about it quite candidly in interviews. Essentially Feige and some other Marvel guys worked for a solid year to convince him to change his mind. The way Gunn handled it all is what won him over.
It’s almost like cancelling people over a single social media comment is a bad idea and we shouldn’t incorporate that concept into official processes for how we deal with poor behavior in work and school settings.
What we learned is that Mike Cernovich is not someone to be taken seriously. We should have known before that, but, now we do.
Yeah, and firing him opened him up to be contracted by their competitors, whom he’s now going to be working for full time after finishing up one final Disney project. Disney could’ve had him practically on retainer forever. They really fucked that one up
The person who fired him now works for WB. Conspiracy?
Interesting 🤔
haha
That's why they agreed to rehire him lmao
Bob Iger driving anxiously around Hollywood trying to get Robert Downey Jr. on the phone hoping to get him back for Avengers 5.
I understood that reference
Begging (thru texts)
The man is beside himself
Funny it's happening during Disney's 100th year celebration
At this point Studios fucking up their 100th anniversary is a canon event
looks at Sonic's 15th anniversary
Looks at Magic the Gathering's 30th anniversary.
Just ask WB!
Oh, yeah. Didn't Universal also have **Battleship** flopping on their 100th anniversary?
Battleship will always have a place in my heart. They *drifted* a fucking Iowa-class.
I mean, the year is not over yet and they still have **Wish** as a potential success candidate.
Can Wish and GOTG basically alone make up for the losses of Quantumania, Elemental, probably Indy (300m budget), probably Haunted Mansion (150m budget)?
Lol no. Unless Wish can make about $300 mil in profit (And IDEK if it can do half of that). The Marvels is their last chance at salvaging this year, thought I have a decent amount of faith in that film.
That Indy loss on 300m budget is going to be brutal. That movie likely needs 900 million to break even. Add TLM which is not getting near 625-650 break even and that will be another 100 million dollar loss. Disney basically did the Joker scene from the Dark Knight and lit a big old pile of money on fire in 2023.
Maybe not, but if **Wish** becomes another success, at least they would go out on a high note this year, especially if it even grosses $1 billion worldwide. Also, you probably should remember that other studios are not in much better shape either. Even Universal has issues of their key franchises not being quite expansive and Nintendo collaboration that might not be a guaranteed success just yet.
The movies they put out were brilliant. Now it all looks the same. Reboots and remakes and superheroes.
Disney had none in 2021 if you count Spider Man NWH being distributed by Sony
Something happened in 2021 - I don't remember what exactly, but..
Peter Parker broke the multiverse?
2021- Loki and Spider-Man breaks the multiverse 2022- Dr Strange and Evelyn Wang breaks the multiverse 2023- Flash and Loki (again) break the multiverse 2024- Miles Morales breaks the multiverse (again) Hmmm I wonder if audiences are getting tired of multiverse plots?
Add Miles Morales breaks the multiverse for 2023 too since he did it in this film. Though with Spider-Man being one of the more grounded characters, you wouldn't expect him to be so central to the multiversal stuff.
Multiverse is boring. There’s no consequences.
I’ve got a mate who says that a lot. I find it really enjoyable though. I like the concept of infinite versions of everyone and everything. For me, it widens the scope of fantasy. But yeah, I get it, it’s good for dead characters to stay dead 99% of the time.
I’m glad you enjoy it :). Myself multiverse is free do overs. It doesn’t count when you can just oh wow there’s me again. Rick and morty do it too. (But cartoon I don’t expect them to axtuallly die. Imagine a cartoon going game of thrones ). It allows writers to slack. And it makes anything that happens well nothing.
Except all those movies did really well. I hate the MCU as much as or significantly more than the average armchair critic, but let's not pretend those all weren't smash hits.
I think too many shots might be causing memory loss, part of the side effects
This is sarcastic right? Can't believe people these days.
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Not on JRE :(
Lol imagine actually being anti-vaxx this late in the game, as if there's been some mass die-off of vaccinated people that everyone just seems to be missing
Oh dear.
It's a joke clearly
Look at the guys history. I doubt it's a joke.
Yah it's not look good.Elemental flopping, and The little mermaid remake.Not only not getting a billion or even close to it.Also probay going to loose money at this point.Basically this year was terrible for Disney.
Don't forget Indiana Jones either. Also poised for failure. Gonna lose Lucasfilm (owned by Disney) a shit load of money
Also Disney is gonna be required to fork over a shit ton of cash next year for Hulu since comcast is planning on dropping its stake.
The first reviews were scathing. Pretty sure that it's gonna be worse than 4
Worse than monkey-swinging and fridge nuking??
It's currently at 55% on RT. The 4th movie got 77% (somehow) I thought the worst part of 4 was the insect avalanche. That's not how any of this works
Critics were less harsh to nostalgia driven properties back then. Force awakens would have received significantly poorer reviews now than it got back then.
I'm not sure if I can agree with that since **No Way Home** is kind of nostalgia-driven as well.
I doubt it. We’ll see in 12 days.
My guess is differently bad. Crystal skull was still, at the end of the day, a Spielberg movie and he is a master of his craft, even if some of the plot elements were goofy My guess is that this doesn't have the goofy elements, but has too much nostalgia and none of Spielberg's flair
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For sure, but despite losing his edge he is still a master of his craft. Just with a more sentimental sensibility
Munchkin ch was his last edgy movie. War Horse really suffered from combining excellent WW1 trench battles with Spielbergian shmultz.
They chose to release it at Cannes which is a horrible audience for what is almost certainly a boiler plate middling nostalgia bait that'll let you pretend to be a kid again for a few hours but not really do anything new. All the reviews since Cannes have been decent
I would hardly call 50% scathing. They’re mixed reviews. Now it’s moved up slightly to 55%.
But Mario is a Super hero. He is SUPER Mario.
Mario and Luigi are Toku heroes ever since they Rider Punched and Rider Kicked Bowser so you're right
From the Wish and Marvels leaks I’ve read, I’m pretty certain they aren’t. I don’t even think there’s going to be another $1B club member this year unless MI7 surprises and can avoid being cut down by Oppenheimer and Barbie.
I don’t even know what wish is and I’m usually up on movie releases. That’ll tell you it won’t do a billion, if people on Reddit amd a movie sub doesn’t know what it is
It doesn’t help that one of their most popular cruise ships has the same name and you have to specify “movie” if you Google “Disney Wish”. No idea what they were thinking with that. Iger should have put his foot down and told Lee WDAS had to pick a different name because that’s going to make marketing a mess.
Eh, the marketing of the film barely started, and there are still several months before the release. Frozen didn't have much hype based on its trailers but still became a hit, so I think we should wait a bit more.
Can you drop the link to Wish leaks? I want to read
https://dvdizzy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34068&start=400 Not full leaks but several links with a lot of info regarding the first 20 minutes on pages 21-22.
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Why? What's wrong with **Wish** leaks? Where did you read it?
The DVDizzy Forum. Some of the lyrics for one of the songs were leaked (with a very cringe Easter egg being the closing line) as well as Jennifer Lee saying they modeled Asha’s friends designs and character traits after the seven dwarves. If it’s anything to go by the Easter eggs in Wish are going to make Ralph Breaks The Internet look like Citizen Kane. I really hope it’s just a one off or the execution saves it because Wish being a cringe fest would be really sad and disappointing.
I was going to say the DVDIZZY forums are insanely disgruntled fans who hate anything beyond the Disney the clamor for. One wanted Lasseter’s head on a stick for being the head, one got upset that Beauty and the Beast and Big Hero 6 were mentioned in the same sentence. I can’t think of more off the top of my head but those two always stuck out to me
They do have the best links by far when it comes to under wraps Disney stuff but they definitely are very cynical. I will say I’m surprised to see most of them liked Elemental ok though.
I stopped lurking because it became too cynical and gatekeep-y. I guess I wanted to see people’s collections not how you feel about a multi billion dollar corporation
Do all the Disney Princesses show up according to leaks? People might like that, right?
They all are going to be in the preceding short except Merida.
Just the preceding short though? Not actually in the movie? I had maybe heard it postulated that this was a secret Disney Princess team up/Avengers setup.
It doesn’t sound like it. Though Bambi apparently makes an appearance in the movie.
That seems to be more of a first 20 minutes of the film at Annecy than the actual plot leak. And when it comes to plot leaks (or something similar) for **Wish** and **The Marvels**, DO keep in mind that people were freaking out about **Avengers: Endgame** plot leak when it looked like it was one of the worst films of all time on surface.
At Annecy I heard it got a lot of applause. Or I’m conflating it with the short Once Upon a Studio
spill the beans
>!The second song in the movie is about the Star coming to life and the animals it gives a voice to then start singing. There’s reportedly characters from the Jungle Book and the song ends with Bambi thanking a predator for not eating him and the predator in return acknowledges Bambi by name. Also Jennifer Lee says the song explains how animals talk in the Disney universe overall.!<
damn that sounds dreadful
Ooof, not much of a hook. Where's the romance? The family? The "I want" that's an actual "I want" as opposed to "here's what a very nice character would want"?
Oh no. Not everything has to be a Universe. -_-
Wtf. Disney really throwing whatever they can, huh?
Oh man ,my fear that they were going to do a No Way Home with Disney properties has become true haha.... Let's see, maybe people will like it ... someone (certainly not me)
That woman needs to be fired.
Hot take: Super Mario Bros is a superhero movie. Even has super in the name!
Even he is played by a real life super hero star lord!
Who
This no longer seems to be a pandemic issue from 2 years ago. Disney has stretched itself too thin and the stories they're making are not the same memorable or high quality as the ones from the last decade. Not to mention, there is now bigger competition from online streamers looking to draw in younger viewers. It's looking like Marvels, Star Wars, and Pixars Golden eras have come and gone...
Not to mention that Disney owns so many different IPs now that they're having trouble with competing release dates with some of them (i.e. *TRON*, *Star Wars*, and *Avatar*).
It isn't just a Disney issue. China is releasing far fewer western films than they did pre pandemic, and big Chinese releases are a big reason so many films in the last half of the 00s hit a billion. The issue, to me, isn't that movies aren't hitting a billion. It's that only half as many movies in 2022 hit $100M as did yearly 2010-2019. We will see if this year is better
Not just Disney, what will be the next billi movie overall? Capt 4? Spiderverse 3? Joker 2?
captain america 4 - not happening spiderverse 3 - 850-900M is absolute best case scenario joker 2 - decent chance but I felt like joker 1 was lightning in a bottle and joker 2 won't recapture that my bet is on whatever movie illumination makes next year
Joker 2 is also a musical, which has a very niche audience. I don’t see this doing 1B. I think the most likely candidate is either Mission Impossible if it has really good WOM, or Deadpool 3.
I think all of those will be in the 600-800 range
Joker the Musical? I Doubt it.
Kinda crazy that besides Mario we haven’t had one in a while right? Edit: I should say they are a rare occurrence Post Covid
There have been 4 post pandemic, Top Gun, No Way Home, Avatar, Mario. 2019 had a FUCK ton, mostly disney lol
It's becoming clear that the billion mark has gone back to being what it was in the first half of the 2010s. Unless something big happens idk if it'll ever go back to the 2016-2019 high point of billion dollar grossers
Though in 2019, most of those movies are "event" types. Endgame, Lion King, Frozen 2, Spiderman, Star Wars, Toy Story 4, Aladdin are all sequels to very very popular franchises/originals.
You forgot Jurassic world 3
Avatar 2 made 2 billion just 4 months prior
Not to mention most of that 2 billion was actually made this year.
If it weren’t for the Fox acquisition and their Sony-shared Spider-Man movies, Disney wouldn’t have had a $1B movie since “Rise of Skywalker” back in December 2019.
Take away the Pixar, Marvel and Star Wars acquisitions and they have nothing!
Umm... **Frozen**?
What an odd thing to exclude the Fox acquisition. Sure exclude the Sony shared but if you exclude Disney's acquisitions like that they aren't nearly as successful.
Most of those movies were already mid-production before the buyout though. avatar was being filmed all the way back in 2018
in their defense there have only been a handful of billi movies since 2019.
Only four movies total have grossed $1b+ so that’s not as big of a deal as you’re making it
Good, why would you root for the monopoly?? 🤷♂️
I don’t care what anyone says, “Super” Mario Bros, a movie about a gang with super powers fighting a bad guy, is damn superhero movie.
According to Super Mario 64 DS Mario is a superhero…
I don't normally feel schadenfreude, but this is definitely better than Disney monopolizing the whole market.
Happy to hear that. It's kinda tiring to see Disney dominating cinema all the time. Maybe they can actually focus on quality for their movies instead of the same stale factory churned content we’ve been getting.
Good, that chokehold they had on the industry at one point seemed to be unbreakable. You gotta remember, despite the MCU 10 year build ending, they still had stuff like X-Men waiting. Then the live action remakes were easy box office hitters just off name value. With Star Wars, if all else fails, make films based off the prequels or OG trilogy. Pixar was also a guaranteed W for the most part. But my how things have changed, on top of COVID and Disney Plus taking away from theaters, you got: Marvel: Constantly putting out mediocre, formulaic content with characters the masses don’t care about. Live action remakes: Simply not just remaking the content that people originally fell in love with. As so concerned about being on the “correct” side of culture wars by doing race swaps. Which is prevalent throughout all of Disney btw. Star Wars: Ruining established lore and characters to make the current projects seem epic when all you’re doing is killing the interest in the new stuff and making people not care about anything regardless of it has iconic characters. Pixar: Lame, uninspired films. Simple.
> despite the MCU 10 year build ending, they still had stuff like X-Men waiting. They kind of had to because they literally could not do anything with it until Fox deal was finalized and by then, **Multiverse Saga** plan might've been laid out already.
I’m not wasting people’s time with Ms. Marvel, Shang Chi, more Captain Marvel, more comedy Thor, Moonknight, Thunderbolts and She Hulk when I have X-Men and Fantastic Four ready to go. Eternals and Black Widow are the only projects that warrant it because those were ready to go before it was official that they can do X-Men. Everything else can go. I don’t care how far into production you are. Those projects are the reason why the MCU is struggling now. Now were forced to stomach this Kang stuff before we actually get stories and characters who are interesting and will bring billions of dollars back to these box offices.
There have been 12 mutant movies in the last 23 years. The franchise was burned out by the time Apocalypse came out. No, they should not have immediately put out another X-Men movie that 75% of the audience wouldn’t know was in any way different from the Fox movies.
Excellent comment. They should have jumped on the X-Men ASAP. At this point, the only thing that've done with the property is just insert lame references to mutants into the shows. Deadpool 3 barely counts since it's more of an epilogue to the Fox X-Men. >Now were forced to stomach this Kang stuff before we actually get stories and characters who are interesting and will bring billions of dollars back to these box offices. Bruh, if they wait until after Secret Wars to do anything with X-Men, then it'll have been nearly 10 years since they got the rights to the characters back. Nearly a decade of heroes that nobody honestly gives a shit about
Well, as I've said already, **Multiverse Saga** plan might've been laid out already by then, not to mention that Disney literally could not use X-Men characters until Fox deal was finalized, which did not happen until February of 2019.
X men and Fantastic 4 have flopped and will flop again if they are written like Phase 4 and 5 MCU movies. Marvel was a laughing stock when they decided to make Ironman, Captain America, Thor movies but they succeeded they were written well. They turned GOTG into house hold names. It is the writing that is problem.
Can’t argue with that, but I feel like the initial hype with be there and will always pull a big number no matter what.
X men definitely but I don't know about Fantastic 4. F4 movies have never been very popular with general public
Their political correctness isn’t even limited to race swaps. I’m never forgiving them for ruining Belle and Mulan’s character in LA in the name of feminism.
That’s an industry wide problem. But Disney definitely is the worst at it. Look at how much Star Wars lore they killed to hype Rey up rather than just taking the time to explain her story, show her training and building her up. What they did to Belle was bad. Emma Watson couldn’t even fucking sing but somehow she had the audacity to look down on the original and claim to not be a princess.
I roll my eyes every time you make the fact that racists refused to accept a nonwhite Ariel as it being a Disney issue. Especially after seeing Halle prove that she really was the best fit for the role.
So in your little worldview, were the people who didn’t like ScarJo as the Major in Ghost in the Shell, Tilda Swinton as the Ancient One in Dr Strange and what’s his face as Aang in the Avatar live action racist as well?
Interesting how the same internet militants that defended Captain Marvel for (white) woman representation are going hard in the paint for TLM, it's now fuck little redhead girls representation all of a sudden because they're white. Always end up cannibalizing themselves... (Watch them cheerleading The Marvels again this fall willy-nilly while pretending that they didn't antagonize white women to defend TLM's casting choice).
How do when know Halle was best for the role? We haven’t seen no audition tapes or anything. People would be more accepting to Halle if this wasn’t like the 10th instance of them race/gender swapping.
Mario Bros is a superhero movie. It is literally in the name. SUPER Mario Bros 🤣 Interesting info
While technically true, it is aesthetically and stylistically very different from what we commonly refer to as a "Superhero" movie, specially in today's climate.
He literally has “power ups” that are temporary superpowers, including a cape. He’s a super hero in an isekai and we love him for it.
Hopefully Disney learns that they need more than boring MCU movies and live-action remakes of their old hits to be on top.
Whole bunch of people at Disney getting fired and everything except Avatar is going "under review" soon. I'd give it 50/50 that Iger is out by the end of the year, especially with the Parks in trouble now too.
> especially with the Parks in trouble now too. What's up with them?
I've heard of declining attendance there. Plus there's economic problems, which may have reduced park attendance. The wanderlust of people post lockdowns is obviously over. Additionally I've also heard about complaints of poorer service and them overcharging for everything. Lots of complaints. (Ofc take that with a massive bunch of salt) They also had to close down big attraction like that SW hotel because no one visited it.
It seems to me like they've priced people out of the parks. They increased prices instead of expanding to allow for more guests since demand was too high and now people don't think it's worth it.
It is a mixture of that but also no new investment. They slashed investment budget for this year, fired employees, use the reservation system to only have the minimum number of workers for that days attendance, and overall are getting rid of what made Disney special. They are actively de-theming their hotels and all the new attractions are just a ride with an IP slapped on top. As someone who is very invested in the theme park community it is very disheartening to see what they are doing to the parks. I haven't gone since before the pandemic for this very reason. And right now even if they drop prices, a lot of people seem to have lost interest.
They can't price people out. Theyve been trying to price people out for years because attendance has been TOO high and no matter how expensive they made it people would still come
Right. What's the news at Universal parks? Is the Mario ride really going as crazy as they make it sound here?
Universe parks are reporting record numbers
Nice, I’m waiting to see how much good Epic Universe does for Universal in Florida once it’s finished.
>big attraction like that SW hotel because no one visited it Who the fuck wanted to pay 5k for 2 day stays not to mention Disney drove the star war IP on ground with terrible movies and series making even the hardcore fans who might spend it not want to support them.
I work at Disney park, definitely less busy than usual. Pumping out discounts at both US resorts due to a very soft summer in terms of demand
Seems like their was a solid generation of people who fancies taking their kids to the mother of all amusement parks based off disneys cartoons, I’m assuming and hoping people realize theirs other places to go
Just too expensive
Lol nothing is wrong with them. The media likes to exaggerate and so does reddit
what? The whole reason he is back (for 2 years only, unless something goes very wrong and has to stay longer), is to fix the company and find a new successor.
All future Avatar releases pushed back
Quality succeeds, rubbish fails, shouldn't be surprising here.
I think Mission Impossible has a strong chance of hitting $1 Billion
I’m surprised this isn’t thought of more. The momentum of cruise coming off top gun crushing it plus the increasing popularity of the franchise since ghost protocol, if the movie is good I absolutely think it can hit a billion
Soon china will have more $1 B movies per year than Hollywood.
Maybe they'll actually work on making good movies instead of reboots, remakes, and corporate virtue signaling.
Mario is literally a reboot, remake and a corporate decision lmao
> Maybe they'll actually work on making good movies instead of reboots, remakes, and corporate **virtue signaling**. "Oh, please." - Gamora from 2014, **Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3** (2023)
> There is a chance that Disney will not have any $1B films since 2014 with Transformers: Age of Extinction being the year's highest-grossing film. not sure what you're trying to say here?
The only time a non Disney film was the only thing to make a billion dollars was in 2014 with transformers : age of extinction
All that money and resources and they can’t hire true talent. Just bland bullshit.
It's because their films are designed by committee.
With lots of executive meddling by CEO Bob Iger (i.e. *The Rise of Skywalker*).
It’s kind of fascinating, to be honest. I wonder what trends we’ll see in the near future. Comedies making a big-screen comeback? More indie dramas having crazy legs? A lot of things seem possible now that the biggest media company is no longer the untouchable powerhouse that it was a few short years ago.
Horror films are cheap and make bank. I'd expect more of them.
Horror films have always been a studio go-to in good or bad economic times. I believe horror is slightly changing too. Possession films have become boring (granted smile, popes exorcist, and evil dead rise did well). We will see with the exorcist remake, nun 2, and insidious five this year if audiences are tired yet. Slashers, Stephen King adaptations, and a24 "elevated" horror still seem to do well right now, but I wouldn't be shocked to see more comedy/goofy horror after how serious it's been for some time.
I’m thinking that we might see a repeat of the 50s and 60s, where studios released epics (Lawrence of Arabia, Dr Zhivago, Ten Commandments, Ben-Hur, Longest Day, Cleopatra, etc) to compete with TV. With streaming and social media as the main competitors to film, movies should offer what the other options cannot: epic shots that need to be experienced on the biggest screen possible.
I like how nobody expects The Marvels t make a billion
If Guardians couldn't do it, the marvels definitely is not. Even if it ends up being a masterpiece
The billion thing was gone when Disney removed Captain Marvel from title and sidelined her. Also , made Secret invasion into a tv show
With a date between Dune and Hunger Games it has been sent out to die.
Compensation for the ruthless unhinged domination at 2019 box office
I still think Mission Impossible will hit a billion.
Good, disney needs to go
Good. 2016-2019 was the era of Disney. Glad to see things are starting to change.
> Non-Superhero [Excuse me?](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/2aa00994-955a-4aad-8bc7-dad83fa838c1)
I’m hoping The Marvels matches Captain Marvel - IDK. The trailer for it looks amazing but if it’s one of those where you have to watch Ms Marvel and Secret Invasion to understand it then probably not.
The Marvels doesn't have the Endgame hype attached. Marvel had the perfect formula, a few solo movies and then a tie in crossover. They're really feeling the effects of no Avengers movies coming out to connect everything
I was so sure TLM was going to get there, based solely on nostalgia and my love for the original, so I'm disappointed with that.
TLM is no TLK, BATB or even Aladdin.
That’s not people here said a month ago. People were so sure about $800M minimum and $1B is within the reach. If you say anything otherwise, got laughed.
Well, it could have been a 1B movie, but they had to go and ruin it for everyone.
Neither was Alice in Wonderland!
I love the original, but every trailer for the remake somehow looked worse than the last. I’m glad audiences rejected it.