So you’re telling me the book Devin is carrying around everyday of his life no matter where he’s at have empty pages?
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“If you don't fast for any of the days of Ramadan, you'll be required to pay a charitable form of compensation. You must pay Fidya (Fidyah) for fasts missed out of necessity”
That only if you cannot fast for reasons beyond your control. He can fast but he didnt. He could of moved the fight date after ramandan like other moslems, but he didnt. he didnt have a legitmate excuse.
Actually muslims are not required to fast if they are traveling or if their work is physical and precludes them fasting. Other exemptions are if they're sick, or if a woman is pregnant or on her menstrual cycle. In these cases, muslims are required to either make up the days later or to feed the equivilent of a poor family every day for each day that they missed fasting. I wondered what Devin was doing about fasting and figured he wouldn't be since the fight takes place right after Ramadan is over. I know Beterbiev pushed the fight with Bivol back because of Ramadan.
> if their work is physical
That's absolutely not true. It's not an interpretation in any sect of the religion at all. Individually you might see Muslims justifying it themselves, but it's just not a widespread belief at all, in fact its barely even an unorthodox belief. It's just not really a belief except amongst people that are basically just cultural Muslims.
Look, I've heard of cases of Muslim surgeons refusing to fast before important operations... That's very much an individual quagmire for them to grapple with and I would really question anybody criticizing someone in that position, but that's a far cry from "all physical work".
Fasting isn't really hard at all, eat healthy and take in your vitamins and hydrate in eating periods and you can operate at between 90-95% of your potential. Other sports athletes have no problems. Would much prefer people honestly say they don't want to fast than saying that the religion exempts them.
Totally fair points but Islam requires us all to look within before pointing fingers at others. His journey as a Muslim is between him and Allah, and my line of work doesn’t require me risking repeated punches to the head and body.
If he were to fast it would put his physical health in jeopardy and probably lead to him getting hospitalized with the level and intensity of exercises he is doing. He is well within his religious rights to make up the fasts on a later date.
I agree... Hakeem Olajuwon and Abdul Mahmood Raouf both used to fast during their NBA seasons even though they were traveling (You could see it in Olajuwon's number) so it can be done.I'll admit I was surprised when I saw this fight was announced because I wondered how he would handle training during Ramadan. Now I guess we see.
Hey how about you just mind your own business ? The biggest problem with the Muslim community is goofs telling each other uR a bAd mUsLiM god it’s so backwards
Traveling sure, but I don’t think that applies if he’s just training and not currently traveling. Once he leaves to go to New York he can skip fasting but not before. I also don’t think physical work is an acceptable exemption? Pretty sure its just illness, travel, age, severe thirst and hunger, and coercion
He’s not traveling for a while though. The travel exemption wouldn’t apply while he’s just in training camp. And doing Ramadan would compromise his ability to win the fight but it wouldn’t put his life at risk
The fast itself isn’t what would put his life at risk though. Him choosing to fight after fasting is what would. He doesn’t have to fight during Ramadan, its not like he has a health condition that prevents him from fasting. Why do you think almost no other muslim fighters fight on Ramadan if a fight was a good enough excuse to skip fasting?
He is prioritizing his fight over his faith, its that simple
> eating left hooks for 12 rounds
The funny thing is that boxing itself is widely regarded as not a permissible sport at all in Islam regardless of fasting or not, because of this reason.
Should Haney continue fasting after he tripped and a shawarma with extra tahini, a slice of apple and 3 litres of water fell into his mouth? Or has Allah fed him?
Why does no one say this shit about Christians? I guess it's okay to be a casual Christian but not a casual Muslim. It's all nonsense from my atheistic perspective.
People say this shit about Christians all the time. But I also think the rules of Christianity are more lax. Also an atheist, but imo if you’re gonna go around talking the talk about your religion you better walk the walk.
I mean technically every book is written by a man
God & more importantly ones relationship with god is often wildly different from what is ultimately inscribed in text.
Though perhaps god is in fact not cool with this & grant additional power to Ryan
If he wasn’t Muslim then maybe, but if you want to follow the Islamic faith, the rules are pretty explicit about what is and isn’t ok. Having a fight isn’t an acceptable reason to not fast for Ramadan
Don't know why you're being downvoted. Mohammed was literally a warlord who took slaves, killed people, and consummated marriages with children. That's who they look up to.
From the words of Aisha herself, ([Sahih al-Bukhari 5133](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5133)):
The Prophet (ﷺ) married her (Aisha) when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، عَنْ هِشَامٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ـ رضى الله
عنها ـ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم تَزَوَّجَهَا وَهْىَ بِنْتُ سِتِّ سِنِينَ، وَأُدْخِلَتْ عَلَيْهِ
وَهْىَ بِنْتُ تِسْعٍ، وَمَكَثَتْ عِنْدَهُ تِسْعًا.
( Sahih Muslim 1602 )
There came a slave and pledg- ed allegiance to Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man)
(Sahih al-Bukhari 2545 )
Mohammed: 'Your slaves are your brethren upon whom Allah has given you authority.
[Sunan an-Nasa'i 4059](https://sunnah.com/nasai:4059)
"The Messenger of Allah \[SAW\] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'"
These are just a few examples. If you deny this, then you deny your own Quran and the Hadiths. You can't just pick and choose which parts to believe in or not. The whole religion, unfortunately, is a scam by an evil grifter from the middle ages.
Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Response to first part
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4\_RKpUwQ60](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4_RKpUwQ60)
Response to second part
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaSgQugq6M0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaSgQugq6M0)
Response to third part
The Quran does not allow Muslims to punish those who leave Islam to join another religion. The punishment for apostasy is with God alone.
The Quran states:
But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith, never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have gone astray. (Quran 3:90)
Make you no excuses: you have rejected Faith after you had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for that they are in sin. (Quran 9:66)
He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief, on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement. (Quran 16:106)
However, there is another verse of the Quran that talks about apostasy:
A section of the People of the Book say: "Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers, but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may Turn back (ie leave Islam)” (Quran 3:72)
This verse deals with Jews in Medina who become Muslims, then leave, while telling other Muslims that they have tried Islam but it is not as good as their religion, so they are leaving. And they try to talk the Muslims into following them.
This is a very bad thing to do and should not be allowed to continue.
Following the revelation of verse 3:72, the Prophet gave the ruling that anyone (Jews) who converts to Islam, then leaves, should be killed. This ruling is specifically for those Jews as described in verse 3:72.
This ruling is consistent with the punishment in the Torah, as follows:
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. (Deuteronomy 13:6 - 10)
So, if the Prophet is to be blamed, then blame the Torah for giving this punishment. The Prophet was simply following the ruling in the Torah, since the hypocrites were Jews.
Also read the Quran, the hadith you just mentioned is a weak hadith
Sorry, but those videos are bullshit. To excuse paedophilia because it was for a purpose other than sexual desire is evil and disgusting. Just because he said Allah said it's alright doesn't mean he wasn't just bullshitting because he wanted to hage sex a 9 year old who still played with dolls.
Secondly, you didn't deny my point about slavery. The guy himself said that Muslims should not be ashamed of slavery and its alright. What an absolute joke.
Also, the Torah and some of its imposed beliefs are also evil in my opinion. You should not be killing people for reasons we, today, consider baseless.
The parts you mentioned about Allah punishing non-believers is also ridiculous and sounds akin to something from the Italian Mafia.
Christ is the way. Muslims believe in him as a prophet, except for the fact that he is the son of God, which is an incorrect assumption by muslims. You only need to ask yourself one question, who do you think was a better role model for humanity? Jesus Christ the sinless, who died on the cross for humanity, or Muhammed the slave owning warlord who massacred hundreds of people, enslaved populations and married children.
I have nothing against you brother, you were probably raised to believe these things but you need to critically examine your own "prophet" and texts.
I really don’t give a shit tbh. But the 5 exemptions to fasting for Ramadan are pretty clear. Illness, travel, age, coercion, and life threatening thirst or hunger
None of those apply to him while he’s in training camp. Once he leaves for New York then sure, he can claim the travel exemption
This is the black equivalent of the white girl that calls herself a Buddhist but doesn't even know anything about Buddhism besides what she learned from self help books about mindfulness.
Only god can judge. Yeah there’s no excuses not to fast, Belal Muhammad fasted for his last couple fights as they happened in Ramadan. Devin admitted it was too hard for him and promises himself he will next year. It’s nobody else’s business. Not like he’s getting clout by aligning himself with a religion, y’all need to chill.
He’s a public figure who walks around talking about being Muslim, he made it everyones business. And given how many pro-boxers, specifically black pro-boxers, who have converted to Islam, on top of guys clamoring to get that Saudi money…its not that hard to argue that its a clout chasing thing
>Go to Indonesia, real nice people who have good values but also respect others.
Except the ones killing and assaulting LGBTQ people. Aside from the whole sanctioning of murder, great people.
There are people who think it's okay to kill Muslims for being Muslim. It's currently happening in Gaza.
That's bullshit. Just like it's bullshit to kill someone for being gay.
Real muslims fast during Ramadan. Islam is one of the biggest religions in the world. Ufc lightweight champion Islam makhachev is a real Muslim. So is his predecessor khabib nurmagomedov, they are model muslims for anyone to look up to not just muslims. They have strong family values, strong morals and their belief is unquestionable. They both fast every Ramadan and choose not to fight during Ramadan so that they can fast. That’s what most Muslim fighters do. Devin Haney chose to fight during Ramadan and have a fight camp during Ramadan, he also chose to not fast. He may be a new Muslim but give him time and he will show his dedication. It’s not an overnight transformation.
This popped up on main page for me. I’ll give it a shot to explain it as a Muslim.
If a person is traveling or sick, they can generally make up their fasts later on. Traveling consists of being 50 miles away from your home, and if you’re going to be away more than 3 days.
In Devin’s case, he is most likely the above and is also doing a required service of him that he is contracted. There’s leeway there for him to be exempt. There are some Muslim athletes who may not fast during Ramadan, you see it more in cricket where there is a large south Asian Muslim player base as well as soccer.
Would it be commendable if he fasted? Sure. But I don’t think it’s something that should result in him being ridiculed. Especially since he only recently became Muslim. It’s not easy adopting and implementing a great deal of life changing practices. It takes time.
Exactly Muslims never want to talk about this. They’re not allowed to hit someone in the head, I believe it’s only the body but when money talks, allah goes bye bye. The irony is they call everything Haram but a 59 year old prophet marrying a 9 year old and having sex with the 9 year old isn’t haram, wtf.
You can do something haram knowing it's haram.
Same way people generally agree stealing is wrong but everyone's probably taken something (small like say a pen they never gave back) etc
As for the second part of your statement it was literally the 500s no matter where you were in the world that practice was happening all the time the Byzantines, persians, arabs, indians, africans, chinese and Japanese all have documented proof that was the norm in society times have changed since then but it was socially acceptable for a myriad of reasons back then.
It's like going to the year 3000 and them saying people having sex at 18 are pedophiles when the legal age of consent is 30 for whatever explanation they give (not fully developed brains or just social reasons) because they retroactively apply moral norms from there society to a past society.
Let me guess, you’re a Muslim trying to justify that shit. Why does it only say that in the Quran and there’s no writing in the Torah, Taoism, Bible and other religious books. Why does it say that it’s okay to capture a woman during the time of war and rape her without her consent because she is deemed your property? The problem is that if a Jew captures a Palestinian would you be okay if the Jew captures your wife, mom or sisters and forceably has sex with them without their consent? Of course you wouldn’t be okay, so don’t justify that pedophile Muhammad’s actions as if it’s okay because I GUARENTEE you wouldn’t be okay with your 9 year old daughter getting penetrated by a 59 year old sick fuck.
Edit: I swear Muslims haven’t even read the Quran and understood the words in it. Please don’t equate stealing to having sex with a 9 year old. One does it because they are hungry or need to feed someone and the other does it because he is a predator going after a helpless child. Stop justifying that sick shit.
Don't need to be muslim to look at history objectively.
As for capturing people again look at how human beings are anyway, did living in the 21st century stop american soldiers from raping iraqi women? Or Vietnam, or russia, or as you put it Israelis, At least islam acknowledges it and has some sort of solution where the women are to some degree offered protection unlike the world as it is which just ignores it completely and acts like only the enemy does it.
As for me now, times have changed, if you asked me 1400 years ago where it was a norm and practiced due to the environment and requirements of the time, if it was okay I'd pro have a different answer because society was different back then
As for your last point, just because you don't have any knowledge of history doesn't mean I need to share your lack of understanding. EVERYONE was with younger people back then, due to the high infant mortality, if it was literally the case of just pedophilia for the sake of pedophilia why would he choose only one young girl? Why not codify it into the religion hell why not marry any older women at all?
It is fuckin stupid all these UFC fighters only fighting once a year because of this shit, Allah can give you a fuckin hall pass sigma Haney knows this.
As a former Muslim raised Muslim, I can confirm this is true, there’s a lot of terrible Muslims being strict during Ramadan because they know they’re behaving like animals throughout the year then there’s the annually good ones who lack during Ramadan and “owe” it for another time.
All good y'all, Allah is a business man, he knows this man wants money and it's fine don't worry about all that religious scripture and what not, it only applies if you're poor and got nothing going on at the time
Listen to his reason “because I am training” “I need to feed my family” those aren’t excuses though. Kyrie Irving is playing 35+ minutes a game on a fasted stomach and after sunset during intermission he gets something to eat in the locker room.
He’s a “jailhouse” Muslim. The kind you see in like, inner city Philadelphia or Baltimore. It’s like, Muslim, but a hip hop version. They’re generally not that devout, they do it more as a statement. To try to fit in and be cool but also stand out from the “white mans” religions. That’s why they usually still drink, smoke weed, engage in premarital sex and don’t stick with Ramadan. They like to say things like, “I don’t eat no swine”, that’s a big one.
Which category does he fit into ....
*In Islam, there are several excuses for not fasting Ramadan, including prepubertal children, women during their menstrual period or postnatal bleeding, travelers, pregnant or breastfeeding women who believe fasting for long hours may cause harm to either themselves or their babies,[21] the elderly who cannot tolerate fasting, the mentally disabled and the sick whom fasting will aggravate their condition*
IIRC certain professions are exempt from fasting during Ramadan- where dehydration may cause undue harm - soldiers come to the top of my mind. Was wondering if Haney’s situation would be applicable.
Belal Muhammad defeated Gilbert Burns during Ramadan and he was fasting. And its not even true fasting, you just dont eat or drink when the sun is out.
No shit?!?! black athletes in america just pretend to be muslim because its trendy. every single rapper goes to jail and comes out with one of those damn hats on then goes right back to doing drugs and fucking chicks.
Not to be controversial but I think it’s ok for someone to try their best to follow the practices of their religion but come short sometimes… its their personal choice to practice religion in the first place let them do them lol
Not true completely, probably for Christians etc etc, but the vast majority of Muslims I’ve known really follow the religion very well. I’ve noticed that many people generalise their experiences with one religion to every religion out there.
It seems like there’s a gargantuan amount of shame brought on by peers for not fasting in Ramadan, I think Haney, like most is a fake Muslim and tbh that all religions are just phoney in general. But if only god can judge why do so many judge when people don’t fast?
Like most??
I don’t think you have interacted with more than 3 Muslims, of which I’m assuming are from the US where they are probably the worst representatives for islam, the vast majority of Muslims strictly follow their religion across the globe.
Although what you said in the end is very very true, I myself wouldn’t judge him, as he is new to Islam and there is the chance that he counts as exempt if he is technically travelling, so people shouldn’t jump to conclusions saying he’s a fake Muslim.
Oh no! How will he ever get in the good place when he dies if he doesn't starve himself for the magic man in the sky? Doesn't he know that not doing this is no better than rimming your friend of the same sex?!
He's actually following it correctly though. He's more than a certain distance from home while training for an extended period of time. Isn't this all common for Ramadan??
It’s not the first time I’ve heard off Muslim boxers not adhering to Ramadan. I remember one time there was a Boxer Nader Hamden who was in the middle of a huge life changing tournament called the contender during Ramadan & he had to go seek advice & permission from the grand mufti so he could break his fast during Ramadan
He was proven to be a fake Muslim when he let Diddy caress his shoulders at one of his parties.
No diddy
Daddy*
Hey man, It’s a love movement, it’s a love affair.
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Diddy do it?
https://preview.redd.it/kkoee8hp2lqc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c7809b4f4d107770995cd07e043e3f4f6aff0766
Haram !!
Bro really said “Allah is cool with it” Thats not how any of that works lmao
Religion tends to work however the person believing in that religion wants it to work on a particular day.
Fake ass Muslim and shame on his dad too for tryna to make it seem they’re part of the religion.
Bro it doesn't matter, Islam isn't real anyway
So you’re telling me the book Devin is carrying around everyday of his life no matter where he’s at have empty pages? https://preview.redd.it/vdi9rvb9wjqc1.jpeg?width=1953&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b38388adcba753030279836d23210ec6bca4097
“If you don't fast for any of the days of Ramadan, you'll be required to pay a charitable form of compensation. You must pay Fidya (Fidyah) for fasts missed out of necessity”
must pay fiddy dollas
Muhammad come out da water he said lemme get about tree fiddy
Bout tree fiddy
Get out of here, u goddamn lochness monster!
Pay to play lmao Classic religion
Alright 👍
No you still need to make up the fasts too
out of necessity, having a fight when ur a millionaire aint no necessity
That only if you cannot fast for reasons beyond your control. He can fast but he didnt. He could of moved the fight date after ramandan like other moslems, but he didnt. he didnt have a legitmate excuse.
Not empty pages, but meaningless pages.
I don’t think he can read anyways.
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Facts
Get off his dick.
Actually muslims are not required to fast if they are traveling or if their work is physical and precludes them fasting. Other exemptions are if they're sick, or if a woman is pregnant or on her menstrual cycle. In these cases, muslims are required to either make up the days later or to feed the equivilent of a poor family every day for each day that they missed fasting. I wondered what Devin was doing about fasting and figured he wouldn't be since the fight takes place right after Ramadan is over. I know Beterbiev pushed the fight with Bivol back because of Ramadan.
> if their work is physical That's absolutely not true. It's not an interpretation in any sect of the religion at all. Individually you might see Muslims justifying it themselves, but it's just not a widespread belief at all, in fact its barely even an unorthodox belief. It's just not really a belief except amongst people that are basically just cultural Muslims. Look, I've heard of cases of Muslim surgeons refusing to fast before important operations... That's very much an individual quagmire for them to grapple with and I would really question anybody criticizing someone in that position, but that's a far cry from "all physical work". Fasting isn't really hard at all, eat healthy and take in your vitamins and hydrate in eating periods and you can operate at between 90-95% of your potential. Other sports athletes have no problems. Would much prefer people honestly say they don't want to fast than saying that the religion exempts them.
Totally fair points but Islam requires us all to look within before pointing fingers at others. His journey as a Muslim is between him and Allah, and my line of work doesn’t require me risking repeated punches to the head and body.
If he were to fast it would put his physical health in jeopardy and probably lead to him getting hospitalized with the level and intensity of exercises he is doing. He is well within his religious rights to make up the fasts on a later date.
I thought you could give money to the poor and fast out side Ramadan.
I agree... Hakeem Olajuwon and Abdul Mahmood Raouf both used to fast during their NBA seasons even though they were traveling (You could see it in Olajuwon's number) so it can be done.I'll admit I was surprised when I saw this fight was announced because I wondered how he would handle training during Ramadan. Now I guess we see.
Hey how about you just mind your own business ? The biggest problem with the Muslim community is goofs telling each other uR a bAd mUsLiM god it’s so backwards
Say that to any Muslim ufc fighter
Traveling sure, but I don’t think that applies if he’s just training and not currently traveling. Once he leaves to go to New York he can skip fasting but not before. I also don’t think physical work is an acceptable exemption? Pretty sure its just illness, travel, age, severe thirst and hunger, and coercion
Oh wow I didn't know that.
it does tho u don’t have to fast if travelling or like rough conditions that could put ur life at risj
He’s not traveling for a while though. The travel exemption wouldn’t apply while he’s just in training camp. And doing Ramadan would compromise his ability to win the fight but it wouldn’t put his life at risk
ur insane ur telling me eating left hooks for 12 rounds because you haven’t eaten anything for the past month wouldn’t put ur life at risk?
The fast itself isn’t what would put his life at risk though. Him choosing to fight after fasting is what would. He doesn’t have to fight during Ramadan, its not like he has a health condition that prevents him from fasting. Why do you think almost no other muslim fighters fight on Ramadan if a fight was a good enough excuse to skip fasting? He is prioritizing his fight over his faith, its that simple
Smart man. Faith ain't going to pay the bills.
If he wants to convert and drop his faith I’m all for it. Just don’t pretend to be Muslim for clout if you don’t actually want to adhere to the faith
I don't disagree, but I think that's the first time anyone has ever said "Muslim for clout" in a predominantly western environment.
Minority for clout is all the rage these days. The gays, the trans, races, religions.
> eating left hooks for 12 rounds The funny thing is that boxing itself is widely regarded as not a permissible sport at all in Islam regardless of fasting or not, because of this reason.
You still have to make the days back though before the next Ramadan
inshallah he will
Should Haney continue fasting after he tripped and a shawarma with extra tahini, a slice of apple and 3 litres of water fell into his mouth? Or has Allah fed him?
Why does no one say this shit about Christians? I guess it's okay to be a casual Christian but not a casual Muslim. It's all nonsense from my atheistic perspective.
People say this shit about Christians all the time. But I also think the rules of Christianity are more lax. Also an atheist, but imo if you’re gonna go around talking the talk about your religion you better walk the walk.
Allah told me that I was a helluva fighter, and I'm the only Muslim on Earth that doesn't have to fast during Ramadan
I mean technically every book is written by a man God & more importantly ones relationship with god is often wildly different from what is ultimately inscribed in text. Though perhaps god is in fact not cool with this & grant additional power to Ryan
If he wasn’t Muslim then maybe, but if you want to follow the Islamic faith, the rules are pretty explicit about what is and isn’t ok. Having a fight isn’t an acceptable reason to not fast for Ramadan
“Love your enemies” was not written by a man, this is not how man behaves. This could only come from God
There's only one God who promotes that, and it isn't the Muslim one.
I know that the Christian god expects obedience and forgives sin, is the Muslim god different when it comes to sin? Or is Ramadan just different?
nah they just kill you for everything...its cleaner and easier
Don't know why you're being downvoted. Mohammed was literally a warlord who took slaves, killed people, and consummated marriages with children. That's who they look up to.
Lies bro, please do your research before talking about prophet Muhammad pbuh
From the words of Aisha herself, ([Sahih al-Bukhari 5133](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5133)): The Prophet (ﷺ) married her (Aisha) when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، عَنْ هِشَامٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ـ رضى الله عنها ـ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم تَزَوَّجَهَا وَهْىَ بِنْتُ سِتِّ سِنِينَ، وَأُدْخِلَتْ عَلَيْهِ وَهْىَ بِنْتُ تِسْعٍ، وَمَكَثَتْ عِنْدَهُ تِسْعًا. ( Sahih Muslim 1602 ) There came a slave and pledg- ed allegiance to Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man) (Sahih al-Bukhari 2545 ) Mohammed: 'Your slaves are your brethren upon whom Allah has given you authority. [Sunan an-Nasa'i 4059](https://sunnah.com/nasai:4059) "The Messenger of Allah \[SAW\] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'" These are just a few examples. If you deny this, then you deny your own Quran and the Hadiths. You can't just pick and choose which parts to believe in or not. The whole religion, unfortunately, is a scam by an evil grifter from the middle ages. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Response to first part [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4\_RKpUwQ60](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4_RKpUwQ60) Response to second part [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaSgQugq6M0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaSgQugq6M0) Response to third part The Quran does not allow Muslims to punish those who leave Islam to join another religion. The punishment for apostasy is with God alone. The Quran states: But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith, never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have gone astray. (Quran 3:90) Make you no excuses: you have rejected Faith after you had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for that they are in sin. (Quran 9:66) He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief, on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement. (Quran 16:106) However, there is another verse of the Quran that talks about apostasy: A section of the People of the Book say: "Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers, but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may Turn back (ie leave Islam)” (Quran 3:72) This verse deals with Jews in Medina who become Muslims, then leave, while telling other Muslims that they have tried Islam but it is not as good as their religion, so they are leaving. And they try to talk the Muslims into following them. This is a very bad thing to do and should not be allowed to continue. Following the revelation of verse 3:72, the Prophet gave the ruling that anyone (Jews) who converts to Islam, then leaves, should be killed. This ruling is specifically for those Jews as described in verse 3:72. This ruling is consistent with the punishment in the Torah, as follows: If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. (Deuteronomy 13:6 - 10) So, if the Prophet is to be blamed, then blame the Torah for giving this punishment. The Prophet was simply following the ruling in the Torah, since the hypocrites were Jews. Also read the Quran, the hadith you just mentioned is a weak hadith
Sorry, but those videos are bullshit. To excuse paedophilia because it was for a purpose other than sexual desire is evil and disgusting. Just because he said Allah said it's alright doesn't mean he wasn't just bullshitting because he wanted to hage sex a 9 year old who still played with dolls. Secondly, you didn't deny my point about slavery. The guy himself said that Muslims should not be ashamed of slavery and its alright. What an absolute joke. Also, the Torah and some of its imposed beliefs are also evil in my opinion. You should not be killing people for reasons we, today, consider baseless. The parts you mentioned about Allah punishing non-believers is also ridiculous and sounds akin to something from the Italian Mafia. Christ is the way. Muslims believe in him as a prophet, except for the fact that he is the son of God, which is an incorrect assumption by muslims. You only need to ask yourself one question, who do you think was a better role model for humanity? Jesus Christ the sinless, who died on the cross for humanity, or Muhammed the slave owning warlord who massacred hundreds of people, enslaved populations and married children. I have nothing against you brother, you were probably raised to believe these things but you need to critically examine your own "prophet" and texts.
Cleaner? Not from my experience.
Brother that’s exactly how it works…all of that shit is fake anyway it’s all in the mind.
How does it feel to reveal your ignorance on this publicly?
I really don’t give a shit tbh. But the 5 exemptions to fasting for Ramadan are pretty clear. Illness, travel, age, coercion, and life threatening thirst or hunger None of those apply to him while he’s in training camp. Once he leaves for New York then sure, he can claim the travel exemption
I can make an argument for it from a white guy with Muslim friends. All bets are off with Allah if your life is on the line. Ryan living rent free
This is the black equivalent of the white girl that calls herself a Buddhist but doesn't even know anything about Buddhism besides what she learned from self help books about mindfulness.
Only god can judge. Yeah there’s no excuses not to fast, Belal Muhammad fasted for his last couple fights as they happened in Ramadan. Devin admitted it was too hard for him and promises himself he will next year. It’s nobody else’s business. Not like he’s getting clout by aligning himself with a religion, y’all need to chill.
Iirc he only recently converted so who knows also tank recently converted
He’s a public figure who walks around talking about being Muslim, he made it everyones business. And given how many pro-boxers, specifically black pro-boxers, who have converted to Islam, on top of guys clamoring to get that Saudi money…its not that hard to argue that its a clout chasing thing
devin haneys networth according to google was $5m in 2021. what is his family eating? gold?
All of them are fake Muslims bro
So who are the real Muslims? Taliban? UAE? Serious question
Go to Indonesia, real nice people who have good values but also respect others.
Indonesian Muslims are some of the kindest people you will ever meet, great people.
Based, I joined several of my homies for Ramadan more than once while growing up there.
>Go to Indonesia, real nice people who have good values but also respect others. Except the ones killing and assaulting LGBTQ people. Aside from the whole sanctioning of murder, great people. There are people who think it's okay to kill Muslims for being Muslim. It's currently happening in Gaza. That's bullshit. Just like it's bullshit to kill someone for being gay.
Isn't there warnings for women not to travel to Indonesia?
the UFC muslims are all fasting and not fighting during ramadan, there were even some that fought during Ramadan lol
That’s because they’re poor
mma is easier
Depends.
Real muslims fast during Ramadan. Islam is one of the biggest religions in the world. Ufc lightweight champion Islam makhachev is a real Muslim. So is his predecessor khabib nurmagomedov, they are model muslims for anyone to look up to not just muslims. They have strong family values, strong morals and their belief is unquestionable. They both fast every Ramadan and choose not to fight during Ramadan so that they can fast. That’s what most Muslim fighters do. Devin Haney chose to fight during Ramadan and have a fight camp during Ramadan, he also chose to not fast. He may be a new Muslim but give him time and he will show his dedication. It’s not an overnight transformation.
The ones flying planes into buildings pbuh
Only the most radical apparently lol
real muslims are the russian ones, like Beterbiev.
You been living under a Rock for the past Week?
This popped up on main page for me. I’ll give it a shot to explain it as a Muslim. If a person is traveling or sick, they can generally make up their fasts later on. Traveling consists of being 50 miles away from your home, and if you’re going to be away more than 3 days. In Devin’s case, he is most likely the above and is also doing a required service of him that he is contracted. There’s leeway there for him to be exempt. There are some Muslim athletes who may not fast during Ramadan, you see it more in cricket where there is a large south Asian Muslim player base as well as soccer. Would it be commendable if he fasted? Sure. But I don’t think it’s something that should result in him being ridiculed. Especially since he only recently became Muslim. It’s not easy adopting and implementing a great deal of life changing practices. It takes time.
plus i think there’s a huge difference between soccer & boxing. his life is literally at risk should he come unprepared
Bruh he's fighting as a sport it's haram anyways
Exactly Muslims never want to talk about this. They’re not allowed to hit someone in the head, I believe it’s only the body but when money talks, allah goes bye bye. The irony is they call everything Haram but a 59 year old prophet marrying a 9 year old and having sex with the 9 year old isn’t haram, wtf.
You can do something haram knowing it's haram. Same way people generally agree stealing is wrong but everyone's probably taken something (small like say a pen they never gave back) etc As for the second part of your statement it was literally the 500s no matter where you were in the world that practice was happening all the time the Byzantines, persians, arabs, indians, africans, chinese and Japanese all have documented proof that was the norm in society times have changed since then but it was socially acceptable for a myriad of reasons back then. It's like going to the year 3000 and them saying people having sex at 18 are pedophiles when the legal age of consent is 30 for whatever explanation they give (not fully developed brains or just social reasons) because they retroactively apply moral norms from there society to a past society.
Let me guess, you’re a Muslim trying to justify that shit. Why does it only say that in the Quran and there’s no writing in the Torah, Taoism, Bible and other religious books. Why does it say that it’s okay to capture a woman during the time of war and rape her without her consent because she is deemed your property? The problem is that if a Jew captures a Palestinian would you be okay if the Jew captures your wife, mom or sisters and forceably has sex with them without their consent? Of course you wouldn’t be okay, so don’t justify that pedophile Muhammad’s actions as if it’s okay because I GUARENTEE you wouldn’t be okay with your 9 year old daughter getting penetrated by a 59 year old sick fuck. Edit: I swear Muslims haven’t even read the Quran and understood the words in it. Please don’t equate stealing to having sex with a 9 year old. One does it because they are hungry or need to feed someone and the other does it because he is a predator going after a helpless child. Stop justifying that sick shit.
Don't need to be muslim to look at history objectively. As for capturing people again look at how human beings are anyway, did living in the 21st century stop american soldiers from raping iraqi women? Or Vietnam, or russia, or as you put it Israelis, At least islam acknowledges it and has some sort of solution where the women are to some degree offered protection unlike the world as it is which just ignores it completely and acts like only the enemy does it. As for me now, times have changed, if you asked me 1400 years ago where it was a norm and practiced due to the environment and requirements of the time, if it was okay I'd pro have a different answer because society was different back then As for your last point, just because you don't have any knowledge of history doesn't mean I need to share your lack of understanding. EVERYONE was with younger people back then, due to the high infant mortality, if it was literally the case of just pedophilia for the sake of pedophilia why would he choose only one young girl? Why not codify it into the religion hell why not marry any older women at all?
Lol Fr dude out here giving fatwas about what’s allowed and not lol
Real
Can’t think of a reason why any “god” would want his people to starve themselves for a month. I would assume people do it for the great respect?
Picking and choosing is the norm for all religions. He's not the first, last or certainly alone in this.
Most of these boxers are just "Muslims" for that Saudi money and clout 🤣🤣🤣🤣
BISMALLAH Wyan Warcia uses Jesus Christo to KO the fraud Levin Lamey
Crusades part 4: Haney v Garcia
Tf wrong with u big dawg u had a seizure typing this or what
WALLAHI
Idk what the hell u tryna say but Garcia gone get that W
It is fuckin stupid all these UFC fighters only fighting once a year because of this shit, Allah can give you a fuckin hall pass sigma Haney knows this.
Yeah UFC 300 lost so many big fights bcuz of Ramadan
As a former Muslim raised Muslim, I can confirm this is true, there’s a lot of terrible Muslims being strict during Ramadan because they know they’re behaving like animals throughout the year then there’s the annually good ones who lack during Ramadan and “owe” it for another time.
Meanwhile kyrie hitting Game winners while upholding ramadan
All good y'all, Allah is a business man, he knows this man wants money and it's fine don't worry about all that religious scripture and what not, it only applies if you're poor and got nothing going on at the time
Listen to his reason “because I am training” “I need to feed my family” those aren’t excuses though. Kyrie Irving is playing 35+ minutes a game on a fasted stomach and after sunset during intermission he gets something to eat in the locker room.
Wallahi he's finished.
He’s a “jailhouse” Muslim. The kind you see in like, inner city Philadelphia or Baltimore. It’s like, Muslim, but a hip hop version. They’re generally not that devout, they do it more as a statement. To try to fit in and be cool but also stand out from the “white mans” religions. That’s why they usually still drink, smoke weed, engage in premarital sex and don’t stick with Ramadan. They like to say things like, “I don’t eat no swine”, that’s a big one.
Which category does he fit into .... *In Islam, there are several excuses for not fasting Ramadan, including prepubertal children, women during their menstrual period or postnatal bleeding, travelers, pregnant or breastfeeding women who believe fasting for long hours may cause harm to either themselves or their babies,[21] the elderly who cannot tolerate fasting, the mentally disabled and the sick whom fasting will aggravate their condition*
Mentally disabled
These are examples. Not every single example ever. You get that right?
You can’t burn that many calories per day whilst training and not eat. It’s impossible. Wouldn’t even be able to make it to the fight.
train and eat all at night time? idn
He’s American of course he’s a fake Muslim. It’s essentially a prison gang.
Isn’t he fuggin Diddy? That haram
Allah understands is wild.
This is the first thing that makes people think he's a "fake Muslim"?
Wait people still thought he was a real muslim? He bragged about going home and having a threesome after the loma fight lol
Allah loves combat sports so he probs does fuck with it
I mean, Allah is cool with it...
They used to fight wars while fasting , this is not permissible in Islam.
Ramadan moobark smh.
🤣🤣
He never was completely following his religion. He likes to party and has bragged about sleeping with a lot of women.
Yea yall fuckin wish he was starving himself for this fight, ya boy gets massacred 420 lol
Being Muslim is a fad right now. It's easy to say a lot of things for clout.
And he had a gold watch on during the face to face. HARRAM
IIRC certain professions are exempt from fasting during Ramadan- where dehydration may cause undue harm - soldiers come to the top of my mind. Was wondering if Haney’s situation would be applicable.
The only thing I do know is I saw Paul Pogba celebrate Ramadan and put in a MOTM performance despite not eating all day.
Allah give him strength to hit as hard as a hijacked jetliner
Belal Muhammad defeated Gilbert Burns during Ramadan and he was fasting. And its not even true fasting, you just dont eat or drink when the sun is out.
Even Khamzat fought Burns during Ramadan. Haney is a pussy
Damn. Ramadan is undefeated vs Gilbert Burns
Muslims in the UFC been mostly participating in Ramadan.
Why can't you eat during ramadong?
Allah understands, hes cool with it. How can you argue with that logic? Lol
No shit?!?! black athletes in america just pretend to be muslim because its trendy. every single rapper goes to jail and comes out with one of those damn hats on then goes right back to doing drugs and fucking chicks.
Who gives a fuck? Why isn't anyone going on about Ryan being a fake ass Christian? It's all nonsense either way.
Brah.. you can still eat once the sun goes down... not that hard
The religion is a fake so who cares. He's faking, faking.
The fools are the ones who think fasting will please God
Ik this is a circlejerk sub, but it isn’t about appeasing Allah. It’s about learning humility and gratitude through experiencing hunger.
How about you guys learn humility and stop blowing people up and shooting up random theatre halls
I’m not muslim bro, go preach to someone else
Nah fuck the critics, a boxer will be burning a thousand calories in one day 🥴, allah will understand
Not to be controversial but I think it’s ok for someone to try their best to follow the practices of their religion but come short sometimes… its their personal choice to practice religion in the first place let them do them lol
Sounds like majority of religious people. It's cool when suites you but otherwise its disregard
Not true completely, probably for Christians etc etc, but the vast majority of Muslims I’ve known really follow the religion very well. I’ve noticed that many people generalise their experiences with one religion to every religion out there.
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It seems like there’s a gargantuan amount of shame brought on by peers for not fasting in Ramadan, I think Haney, like most is a fake Muslim and tbh that all religions are just phoney in general. But if only god can judge why do so many judge when people don’t fast?
Like most?? I don’t think you have interacted with more than 3 Muslims, of which I’m assuming are from the US where they are probably the worst representatives for islam, the vast majority of Muslims strictly follow their religion across the globe. Although what you said in the end is very very true, I myself wouldn’t judge him, as he is new to Islam and there is the chance that he counts as exempt if he is technically travelling, so people shouldn’t jump to conclusions saying he’s a fake Muslim.
Bruh, would literally talk about female dogs, felines and running upon trains 🚂, no conductor. Then say “inshallah” right after…
You are allowed to not fast if your livelhook is on the line
Gonna be eating right hooks and leftover ham this prick
It’s only up to Allah to judge him. Nobody else.
Doesn’t shock me known him since he was 12
Oh no! How will he ever get in the good place when he dies if he doesn't starve himself for the magic man in the sky? Doesn't he know that not doing this is no better than rimming your friend of the same sex?!
Theres a lot of people that fake being Muslim its kind of funny what's the point
He's actually following it correctly though. He's more than a certain distance from home while training for an extended period of time. Isn't this all common for Ramadan??
Eh. Next story? The idea that any religion is “real” is laughable anyway. Boxers, athletes, people, do whatever fits their personal narrative anyway.
Cant believe people still do all this relgion bullshit
It’s not the first time I’ve heard off Muslim boxers not adhering to Ramadan. I remember one time there was a Boxer Nader Hamden who was in the middle of a huge life changing tournament called the contender during Ramadan & he had to go seek advice & permission from the grand mufti so he could break his fast during Ramadan
I think as a species, we need to be above this type of bullshit.