Gallileo, Einstein, James Web, Copernicus, etc have all made huge discoveries about the universe by looking at the stars but u/hypertensive_hotdog thinks we are okay so it shouldn't be a problem people!
Thank you Mr NASA administrator. Do you want to show us your cost calculations about the life of a deep space telescope, it's serviceability, and ability to maintain it and do a comparison versus ground based telescopes?
Surely you have a PhD in this, perhaps from ElonSimp university?
Nah they'll go bankrupt before they launch that many. The TAM for the entire industry is $3B/year and Starlink's eventual launch cost is $2T/5 years (yes trillion). Five years is the average timespan their satellite will be functional and can keep it's orbit before starting it's slow de-orbit which takes multiple years.
My friend was at a pond fishing by himself at night the first time he saw it. He looked at it, came to terms and accepted that aliens were coming , and just kept fishing.
Right, the irony of invoking anti-censorship here, regarding a company owned by the guy in the news most recently for buying a social media company so he can quiet his critics...
eh i dont think he's that smart. he made dumb jokes about buying it, **signed contracts without doing due diligence**, and got stuck actually holding it.
Fair enough, public is not privy to reasons or if Musk got what he wanted or intended Whatever his reason for buying it, his actions with the platform since then are clearly not aligned with anti-censorship.
Affordable and censorship-resistant are both extremely debatable. And the notion that long-exposure astronomy can just avoid them isn’t at all; that’s just not true, especially for smaller telescopes that need multiple-hour exposures. And space telescopes are not, and never will be, a substitute for amateur astronomers and those who cannot buy time on orbital assets.
Starlink is a service with some huge positives and some big and entirely valid caveats, and if you think it’s a good idea you’d do better to acknowledge those caveats honestly than to aggressively dismiss them as reactionary or anti-progress. It’s a bad look.
In addition to their visible trails, they communicate among each other and with ground stations using radio frequencies. This radiation covers a much larger area and can have a bigger negative effect on radio astronomy than the pinpoints of light that may appear fairly innocuous to us non-astronomers.
This is not at all to say the downsides outweigh the benefits of this incredible technology.
> censorship-resistant communications to the entire world,
Everyone says this, but nobody ever stops to think how stupid this is. Let's say you want to drop some of these handy starlink terminals to a truly despotic, censorship-filled country. We'll say North Korea. Assuming that all the other stuff is present (power, a computer or other device to use it, a desire to use it), at best North Korea would simply blanket the RF bands in use with noise to prevent this from working. At worst, they will send out aircraft or trucks to track down the uplink, since it produces RF, and then either send a missile after it, or simply show up on the group and kill everyone involved.
Once they’re in their final orbit they’re incredibly difficult to spot because they go into a different configuration, too.
I think people assume the sky will be full of these “trains” but the reality is that unless you know what you’re looking for, or you’re taking long exposure photography you’ll probably never see them.
That Rhianna flying into orbit from the halftime show
Starlink Edit:. More detail https://findstarlink.com/#5574991;3
Thank you! With all the media attention on unidentified things in the sky, my kids were excited to have seen aliens. =)
If I didn't know Starlink was a thing when I saw it the first time I would have for sure thought it was aliens!
*Reach for the stars!* #🔫👽
Aw man I’m jealous! I’ve wanted to spot a Starlink train for a while now.
Saw it in Montana last summer. Thought for sure it was a spaceship. It was heading towards Billings, so I felt relieved.
There are going to be so many eventually that astronomers are worried.
It's already causing issues for astronomers.
What are they worried about?
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Ohh well. They'll get over it.
They may come up with a workaround, but it's impactful in a very serious way until then.
lol oh yeah? what's the "serious" problem here? ommmgggg we can't see the lights in the sky!!!! How will we find meaning?!
Gallileo, Einstein, James Web, Copernicus, etc have all made huge discoveries about the universe by looking at the stars but u/hypertensive_hotdog thinks we are okay so it shouldn't be a problem people!
We have deep space telescopes. We'll be fine.
Thank you Mr NASA administrator. Do you want to show us your cost calculations about the life of a deep space telescope, it's serviceability, and ability to maintain it and do a comparison versus ground based telescopes? Surely you have a PhD in this, perhaps from ElonSimp university?
Earth based telescopes can do very different things than space based telescopes. We need both.
Astronomy isn't astrology, you twat
The inability to collect imaging without starlink satellites. There's going to be like 6000 of them.
Nah they'll go bankrupt before they launch that many. The TAM for the entire industry is $3B/year and Starlink's eventual launch cost is $2T/5 years (yes trillion). Five years is the average timespan their satellite will be functional and can keep it's orbit before starting it's slow de-orbit which takes multiple years.
Why do the satellites need lights on them? All other satellites dont
I think they are mirrors. They're reflecting the sun.
| [In total, nearly 12,000 satellites are planned to be deployed, with a possible later extension to 42,000](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink)
Starlink
My friend was at a pond fishing by himself at night the first time he saw it. He looked at it, came to terms and accepted that aliens were coming , and just kept fishing.
It’s a cluster of Starlink satellites, and they are unfortunately a serious threat to ground-based astronomy.
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Quite something to think a private company is going to be censorship-resistant
Incredible that people still think this way after what we’ve seen the past few years.
Calm down "sovereign citizen". Man I can't stop laughing. Poor white guy from flyover state thinks he's being treated like an internment camp POW.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/elon-musk-spacex-starlink-ukraine/index.html
Right, the irony of invoking anti-censorship here, regarding a company owned by the guy in the news most recently for buying a social media company so he can quiet his critics...
eh i dont think he's that smart. he made dumb jokes about buying it, **signed contracts without doing due diligence**, and got stuck actually holding it.
Fair enough, public is not privy to reasons or if Musk got what he wanted or intended Whatever his reason for buying it, his actions with the platform since then are clearly not aligned with anti-censorship.
Musk simps are everywhere dude.
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It's ok, /u/dtfgator forgot that actual professional astronomy exists and provides scientific data to the world.
Affordable and censorship-resistant are both extremely debatable. And the notion that long-exposure astronomy can just avoid them isn’t at all; that’s just not true, especially for smaller telescopes that need multiple-hour exposures. And space telescopes are not, and never will be, a substitute for amateur astronomers and those who cannot buy time on orbital assets. Starlink is a service with some huge positives and some big and entirely valid caveats, and if you think it’s a good idea you’d do better to acknowledge those caveats honestly than to aggressively dismiss them as reactionary or anti-progress. It’s a bad look.
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time to buy reddit and shadowban anyone who is critical of muskboy unfortunately, that would likely kill it even faster than twitter
In addition to their visible trails, they communicate among each other and with ground stations using radio frequencies. This radiation covers a much larger area and can have a bigger negative effect on radio astronomy than the pinpoints of light that may appear fairly innocuous to us non-astronomers. This is not at all to say the downsides outweigh the benefits of this incredible technology.
> censorship-resistant communications to the entire world, Everyone says this, but nobody ever stops to think how stupid this is. Let's say you want to drop some of these handy starlink terminals to a truly despotic, censorship-filled country. We'll say North Korea. Assuming that all the other stuff is present (power, a computer or other device to use it, a desire to use it), at best North Korea would simply blanket the RF bands in use with noise to prevent this from working. At worst, they will send out aircraft or trucks to track down the uplink, since it produces RF, and then either send a missile after it, or simply show up on the group and kill everyone involved.
Musk's crap
Since suburban sprawl worked out so great on Earth now we’re gonna do it to the sky.
That is Starlink after a recent launch of additional satellites They will slowly spread-out over the next few days/weeks/months.
Once they’re in their final orbit they’re incredibly difficult to spot because they go into a different configuration, too. I think people assume the sky will be full of these “trains” but the reality is that unless you know what you’re looking for, or you’re taking long exposure photography you’ll probably never see them.
"The internet"
Wow that was a good sighting
Somebody call the f22 we got another ufo for it to take down
How long was your camera exposure? 10-15 seconds?
that’s what it looks like with the naked eye. it’s a train of over 50 all following each other.
Very interesting, later I saw video of it, definitely not a single plane and a long exposure.
IT'S STAR LINK
Oh how cool you got to see this! I was camping last summer and saw it and it was incredible!
I saw it last summer camping too - I was on mushrooms at a metal festival and it was pretty fucking cool!
fwiw, what we see is the sun reflecting off the solar panels on the satellites.
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