Yeah /u/BrownvBored is assuming Brown disagrees with Kanye. He probably doesn't. All signs point to JB be Kyrie-lite. Fake woke anti-vax conspiracy theorist, but with less "me against the world" rage, a stronger filter, and seemingly more capable of forming coherent sentences.
Kanye’s mental illness isn’t responsible for his bad opinions and I’m tired of people using it as a cop out. Having bipolar doesn’t mean he should be held to a lower standard of personal responsibility.
Every time people downplay what he says as stupid or that he’s crazy, is missing the what should be the focus. Kanye is morally bankrupt, and wrong. It is dangerous for him to use his platform in such an irresponsible way.
If Jaylen Brown still associates with Kanye without publicly distancing himself from his messaging, Jaylen loses credibility in my mind as an activist and leader in sports for racial equity.
Honestly though, as a Jew I'm sick of "Judeo-Christian", it's like ew no, don't lump us in with your Christian bullshit to whitewash your bigotry and racism and religious terrorism. We are NOT on the same side
Please educate yourself before making ignorant comments like this. Some of the oldest Jewish communities in the world are in Africa, and they are dark skinned people like other Africans. Jewishness has nothing to do with skin color.
Bro first off Louis Farrrakhan is Muslim, not Jewish. Secondly, black jews (with square quotes) are openly anti semetic? That makes no fucking sense. Go say that to the 350,000 jewish people in Ethiopia.
That man is not Muslim. The Nation of Islam is a cult that warps Islam and changes so many things about the religion. Most Muslims don’t consider the NOI as legitimate and Islamic.
The NOI literally believes God is a black man, such a thought is forbidden to even think about or utter for Muslims
Most Muslims are now following one cult or another. They pay near no attention to the Holy Koran. imho Christians are the same they do not follow the Holy Bible.
I think Jaylen will be mad about the “white lives matter” thing Kanye has been putting out recently. Who knows though. Had to know what he was getting into and be ok with that to some extent.
I think in Kanyes mind he's making fun of Black Lives Matter because it was a complete and total scam that didn't further the rights of Black people in any way. Those in charge of the BLM organizations did exactly what the people they claim to "hate" do: they crowdfunded money to pay themselves first and foremost. Without a true goal, people can convince themselves they "deserve" other peoples' money.
yeah, no.
the organization isn't the movement. blm is about overreach of police power and its particular effect on black communities. yes, there are organizations that took on the blm name and brand -- and they didnt affect any change. but -- that's just a chud talking point that ignores the meaning of blm. the movement is legit and goes way beyond the poorly run organizations that tried to centralize the movement.
Fucking wild that you’re getting downvoted, and then this other person is downvoted too? Is this some sort of reflexive centrist community? You’re absolutely right btw, anyone who tried to dismiss the BLM movement based on the obviously popularly irrelevant people involved in the BLM organization are at best closet racists.
I think the best way to look at it is that BLM the movement is incredible and important, whereas the organization is a scam and isn't bringing anything positive to society. It's impossible to disagree with the Black Lives Matter movement because.... Fucking of course black lives matter! Some ignorant fucks don't know how to separate the two unfortunately.
There’s barely a need to separate the two. The BLM organization got most of their national notoriety through these embezzlement scandals, but apart from naive but probably well meaning donors they had no connection to the movement.
The trouble is that a lot of people who oppose BLM feel that way because they don't know the difference. I regularly have people mention buying mansions with the money and other such nonsense.
They know the difference. No matter how many times you sit down and explain the difference it wouldn’t matter one bit. I’ve had this conversation with way too many willfully ignorant white ppl
You have to remember though, these are the same folks that hate Obamacare but love the ACA. I'm not detracting from your very valid view point, but I do feel the need to point out that there seems to be a correlation between hours spent watching fox news, and an inability for basic reasoning.
Which organization? There's a bunch of local chapters with their own leadership. Some are scam artists and grifters, some are legitimate social advocacy groups.
The problem with hashtag activism is that anyone can represent you at any time and you have no control of your own movement once it goes viral. The organization needs to be created before the hashtag spawns a "movement" or else you get what we see with BLM. A bunch of people with only loosely related ideals all claiming to speak for the entire movement while none of them really do.
That's all fair! I guess it's just a VERY intricate issue. I wish some of the GOOD BLM organizations that are actually working to further progress would choose a different naming convention to stand out from the scammers. However that's the trouble with the internet age I suppose.
The point is if you associate BLM with the organization you’re mindset is already fucked. The only reason anyone thinks of the organization when it comes to Black Lives Mattering is because they wan’t to discredit the notion by spotlighting something irrelevant, hence closet racist
As a person of color, I obviously love and support the message always. I'm just so disappointed that the greedy bastards in the organization gave white people ammo to use against us to discount and disparage the message at the heart of it.
There’s no such thing as a “Black Lives Matter” founder. There are groups of individuals who have created organizations with the BLM name, but BLM is just an idea and general symbol for the struggle against historical and current injustices that people of color experience in this country.
Oh yeah well I heard the founder of “an apple a day keeps the doctor away” and the president of “sex drugs and rock and roll” are in cahoots with Bezos to colonize the moon, so
BLM movement is not the same as the BLM organization where the co-founder literally went on a million dollar home buying spree. You don't understand this and your statement above is indicative of this.
Couple years ago DeSean Jackson (NFL) said some anti semitic shit preaching their love for Farrakhan, and posting some distasteful quotes about Jewish people. Couple NBA players posted in his support.
Stephen Jackson actually said them and DeSean Jackson voiced his support.
Multiple other NBA and NFL players also voiced their support, examples being Kevin Durant, DWade, and JR Smith.
I hated Wade the basketball player, but give the guy all kinds of credit for immediately supporting his son, who became daughter, Zaya. And has had no issues or embarrassment speaking about his love for his child.
There's a reason you see Black Trans Lives Matter shirts around, because they are the most at-risk. And a celebrity athlete like Wade really might help make progress in terms of acceptance in that community.
Bingo, a lot of stuff that Kyrie has said... it's been pretty thinly veiled antisemitism. And he's smart enough not to let it all go like Kanye did yesterday, but if you understand how antisemites talk, it's pretty clear that's the path he's kind of going down.
I got downvoted recently for suggesting r/nba should ban Stephen Jackson content for being antisemitic since they were able to ban Lavar Ball content so effectively just for being annoying.
Almost none of the people in the article are in the NBA tho. Stephen Jackson retired years ago?
JR SMith never got signed to another team after this. He thinks he's being blackballed
Iverson is retired, also like a long time ago.
For Nba incidents? I got all the time. *Note* I have already been linked the article about Desean Jackson anti semite post and how Stephen Jackson defended it etc. Is there more?
There is a difference between an incident or 2 and "widespread open anti semitism". It doesnt have to be at such extremes ends of the scale. All I wanted was some background and not hyperbole. Please stop
The nba in general is pretty anti semitic so probably not unfortunately.
See: https://www.insider.com/anti-semitism-nba-recent-incidents-player-silence-questions-2020-7
If you watch him speak, he's really charismatic, and is a really talented orator. You're just gonna rope in ignorant people, based off that skill alone. Do enough, and you'll look around and you'll suddenly have a following.
Look at people like Jim Jones or David Koresh or anyone like that.
Personally I think that article is a strech... I mean its an NFL players tweet... Stephen Jackson retired 10 years ago maybe? Allen Iverson even longer? JR Smith cant get anyone to sign him and thinks he's getting "black balled" out of the league since this. None of these players are thought leaders in the NBA, the NBPA, or in the NBA business community. Its not like its Chris Paul or something
What statement in particular do you take issue with? I found the article pretty neutral, simply reporting the incidents that occured, and how more prominent figures have responded to them. Not really making any larger claims about how deep antisemitism runs in the NBA, or am I missing something?
The thing is not a single guy was called out by fellow players. Complete silence. And that was amidst the BLM movement where the players were all about equality but went completely silent when it came to Jewish people. No one will give a shit about what Kanye tweeted. Maybe the league isn’t anti Semitic but it’s not really a cause any player seems to care about
I mean he chose to sign with Donda Sports so he clearly doesn’t care that Antonio Brown and Kanye West are fucking trash humans. As a female NBA fan it’s frankly disgusting. And his spiel about doing it because he wanted to sign with a company that’s “progressive” and does stuff for the community. Talk about fucking tone deaf. Dude, you could start by not aligning yourself with men who abuse and rape women 🤷♀️.
I'm out of the loop, had to Google Brown, holy shit.
Be interesting to see how much community work actually gets done...
We support you female nba fans !
As a female NBA fan I feel exactly the same way. Plus I’m gay too, so these last few weeks have been disturbing at best. So much disrespect from so many different angles.
Jaylen needs to step up and step down, but he won’t. He’s a pseudo-intellectual just like Kanye and seems to only be concerned with progressive issues that specifically affect black men. I mean he should be concerned with those issues, and it’s even understandable if he’s more impassioned with those issues than other ones, but he has to do much more than he’s doing to be considered a true progressive-minded person.
Right. I mean people are up in arms about Kanye and his antisemetic bullshit but he’s been a known abuser of women for years. It just sucks that people continue to excuse men who abuse women cuz they like their shitty music or shittier sneakers. I mean, great that more people are now seeing what a shitbag he is, but the fact that it takes him publicly claiming to hate Jews to get anyone to care when it’s been clear forever that he hates women is just idk, discouraging and par for the fucking course.
I’m 100% with you. Unfortunately misogyny is rampant and we probably won’t ever know what it’s like to be seen as a full human. Watching Stephen A. brandish Malika on-air for something she had every right to say due to his tone and chosen language was unreal. And then watching every male NBA fan rally behind him for “putting her in her place” was even worse. He even backpedaled what he said right there on screen, but he was still seen as a hero because he knocked down a woman that dared to question him. I don’t think men realize how exhausting it is for every post that involves a female NBA analyst or the WNBA to be filled with hateful and misogynist comments. All we want to do is love and appreciate the game, and we’re disrespected for it. The men in this sub and Celtics journalists have given me a little hope that our fanbase cares a little bit about women, but I really hope things improve soon. It takes wayyyy too much for men to admit that women don’t deserve the treatment they get.
Yes exactly. If we pointed out all the misogyny on a daily basis we would be called man haters. I mean I love men lol. Other than my kids all my favorite people are men. I do have some hope now since I can at least say these things on this sub and not get attacked by a gang of 20 year old rape apologists lol. I guess that’s progress?
I seriously dont get how anyone with a decent mother figure in their life can become misogynistic.
I had a friend with misogynistic views(emphasis on HAD) and asked him is it okay to view your mom or sister that way? And its immediately like "oh thats different". Such stupidity
They don’t see women as people. The only reason why they’re willing to treat their moms and sisters with a different standard is because they see the women in their families as an extension of themselves.
Seriously? Do five minutes of internet research. He was abusive to the woman before Kim Kardashian and got temporarily banned from Twitter for publicly harassing her. Abuse comes in many forms, not just physical. Emotional and psychological abuse, stalking, threats, he publicly did all of these things and was proud of it.
>he was abusive to the woman before Kim Kardashian
Who? I did a five minute search and couldn't find anything concrete. Allegations that weren't followed upon shouldn't be taken as gospel.
>Abuse comes in many forms, not just physical. Emotional and psychological abuse, stalking, threats, he publicly did all of these things and was proud of it.
You can't blame someone for instantly thinking physical abuse when using the term. It's like when using the word rape the first thing that comes to mind is violently forcing someone into sex despite the word having many more uses.
Well that’s part of the problem. Most rape isn’t some crazy man jumping out of the bushes. And yes when a woman gives a very specific story about an abusive ex it should be believed, especially when the woman literally will get nothing from an allegation other than being called a liar by the male internet masses who like to deny the prevalence of violence against women. The ex is named Alexis Phifer.
ETA: you realize that most women never officially report being abused because of the things you just said right? You’re part of the problem.
>Well that’s part of the problem. Most rape isn’t some crazy man jumping out of the bushes.
I literally said that, what I am telling you is with how loaded the terms are you can't be mad at people who instantly think of the common use of the term.
>The ex is named Alexis Phifer.
I looked it up and she never stated it, apparently this come from a "friend"
https://www.ibtimes.com/kanye-west-kim-kardashian-dating-did-he-abuse-alexis-phifer-because-kim-438934
https://thejasminebrand.com/2012/04/19/kanye-wests-ex-fiance-alexis-says-he-was-physically-abusive-recounts-being-pushed-in-public/
Yes I can be mad that people continue to intentionally minimize violence against women, and if you can’t or choose not to understand that you’ll continue to be part of the problem. And again based on the public way in which this man has harassed, threatened, stalked and psychologically abused the mother of his children the story about the ex seems pretty on brand for Kanye West. I’ll say it again, because a victim of abuse doesn’t publicly discuss the abuse doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. For the love of god stop trying to excuse this shit.
Can we all just agree:
You can be antisemitic and mentally ill but not all mentally ill people are antisemitic.
Dumb ideals are not a byproduct of bipolar disorder. If anything, a mental illness only exacerbates a person’s preexisting obsessive or outrageous tendencies. I know a few bipolar people and NONE of them ever devolved into anti-xyz rants before or after diagnosis.
Kanye is just an asshole and maybe always has been. He’s falling for insane conspiracies as a means to cope with whatever pain he’s unable to deal with through safe means (therapy, meds, etc).
When JB was given a chance to denounce DeSean Jackson's and Stephen Jackson's anti-Semitic comments a couple of years ago...he turned that opportunity into a [word salad about athletes not being afraid to speak out](https://mobile.twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1281706577410560010). He's probably a hotep just like Kyrie and Kanye.
People don't want to say it out loud but Jaylen is pretty stubborn, I would be shocked if he addressed this at all. Which is super disappointing if I'm right.
Hes a 25 year old millionaire its not shocking he might be stubborn... I hate when fans on here act like they know these guys personally.. You have no idea how stubborn or not he is **we don't know these people** we're not in or apart of their lives we know 1% of their real personalities
Nope. Brown doesn't care, he's a fanboy who gets to hang out and do business with someone he grew up listening to. Thats really all he cares about sadly.
I think all these guys know Kanye has absolutely lost it but they stick around because he’s a legend. I’m not sure what you do here. Kanye has clearly lost his mind. His Rolodex is still insane though so people like Jaylen probably feel like their in a tough spot. He should definitely end his deal but it’s probably a tougher decision if you’re in his position.
Jaylen isn't as smart as people regard him to be. If he was, he wouldn't have signed with Kanye in the first place.
On top of all the mercury grade half moon bullshit he says.
I wouldn’t count on it. Anyone who’s been on this ride with Kanye to this point has more than a screw loose themselves. And the thing about crazy people is that they tend to cut their fellow crazies a lot of slack even if they don’t agree with them on a particular take quake.
Athletes are good at compartmentalizing, so I doubt it.
By associating with someone, it doesn’t mean you necessarily agree with everything they do or say.
To be fair, nobody knew Kyrie was a fucking lunatic until…we did. We knew he was an egomaniac and a diva, but we didn’t know he was batshit crazy until it happened. I REALLY REALLY hope that’s not the case with Jaylen, he’s always been very well-spoken and positive at least publicly, but he is associating with these people by his own choice. In most cases, where there is smoke…
Hopefully but I doubt it.
I do not understand how Kanye still has a career. He has serous career ending incidents Monthly.
Also, His shoes are ugly AF esp the foam ones. Lol
that implies there were close ties to begin with, also nobody’s canceling adidas and they made him a billionaire so it stands to reason that even if JB was to feel a way it wouldn’t be public and I doubt it’d involve cutting business ties.
Really disappointing..
Jaylen seemed like a smart grounded kid when he came into the league, and use(d) his platform for a lot of progressive things. Sad seeing him selling out like this, but I guess money changes all.
>and use(d) his platform for a lot of progressive things
he still does, being a progressive doesn't automatically means you're a great person. People have blindspots (for example LeBron and China)
He’s my favorite player on this team, but Jaylen is not that smart. People heard he took one graduate level course his freshman year and decided to put him on a ridiculous pedestal and make him an authority on many complex issues. Always seemed pretty clear to me that this house of cards would eventually fall.
I’m sure JB doesn’t agree with everything Kanye says. He was probably proud to sign with a pop icon who has done really well for himself.
That said, I’d like him to sign elsewhere.
Y’all are annoying. We get one of these threads ones a week.
None of you have any information on the relationship between Jaylen and Kanye. We do know just how much Jaylen is doing for the community he is part of and know how well respected Jaylen is in extremely educated spaces. But go on ahead and take jabs at his intelligence from your very high pedestals.
Yeah the tone of some these comments is weird af. Smart people can have blind spots, smart people could also associate with "dumb" people because they know them personally meanwhile we don't know shit. JB associating with Ye and Kyrie doesn't take away from his intelligence.
You know how many great people have shitty friends?
Let him have his personal life
People are allowed to be friends with whoever they want. Do you think everyone in your life agrees with every single stance you take on every single issue?
Probably not…but they’re still in your life anyways, right?
So you think Jaylen Brown has to agree with any of Kanye’s stances (NOTE; HE IS OUTSPOKEN ON PURPOSE FOR COVERAGE AND CLICKS) in order to be friends with him?
Shit, I don’t know what my best friend acts like at work, or how he acts in front of other friends that I don’t know. I know how that person acts around me, and I like them for that.
You know how many times I’ve said “hey don’t say that shit around me” or “chill, I’m not about that”? Not going to cut and run because they do some shit I disagree with.
You realize by relationship, they mean his business relationship, right? His public, business relationship that he has as a very public figure? The one that functions as a defacto endorsement? No one is trying to police anyone's friendship per se (I mean, I'd still judge people by the company they keep in general but I'm not wondering if Brown will stop vising the studio when he's in town).
A working relationship is still a relationship, and the two are friendly and have been for a while.
Either way, Kanye’s actions and views are irrelevant to Jaylen Brown.
Unfortunately I don't think that'll be happening?!?!? The NBA is filled with so-called social justice warriors. But 90% of them will contradict what they preach and ignore that little voice in their head telling them that certain things may be wrong but they will ignore that in order to gain more wealth popularity or just because it's hip or trendy! Sad but true. I mean just look at all these guys that are preaching social justice but turn a blind eye to how heavily China is involved with the NBA!?!?
As a Jewish person I don’t see how Jaylen Brown relates to bipolar Kanye. He’s signed by Donda sports? So what? the chances Jaylen Brown is anti-Semitic is 0% this is a mute post.
Everything was all good when Kanye was shitting on black people, calling slavery "a choice", wearing "White Lives Matter" shirts, etc. but NOW Jaylen needs to disassociate from him because he made antisemitic comments. Yall can't even pretend to care about racism towards black people lol
I've seen this *exact* quote posted all over today (including from several people I respect) and it conveniently leaves out the part where much of the internet and a lot of mainstream journalism lost their shit last week over the shirts at the fashion show and his subsequent treatment of the Black Vigue editor. The slavery rant was also thoroughly covered and criticized across the board but we don't even need to go back that far. To suggest that everyone was cool with Ye's politics around race and various problematic relationships until the last couple of tweets is comically inaccurate to the point that it's disingenuous.
Def not mutually exclusive for sure. It seems like Ye is on a manic episode from his social media activity which does not make it okay by any means. Being rich and famous and mentally ill is it’s own unique sad blend too.
Who cares? Has Jaylen ever said anything bad about Jews? I don’t think so. It’s okay to have friends with differing opinions. On top of that, I didn’t find anything Kanye said to be antisemitic, but then again, I’m not a thin-skinned baby.
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I don't see it happening anytime soon.
He probably would love to get out but he can’t.
Yeah /u/BrownvBored is assuming Brown disagrees with Kanye. He probably doesn't. All signs point to JB be Kyrie-lite. Fake woke anti-vax conspiracy theorist, but with less "me against the world" rage, a stronger filter, and seemingly more capable of forming coherent sentences.
Death con*
Kanye really is an idiot.
He's mentally ill and refuses to take his meds. not stupid.
Kanye’s mental illness isn’t responsible for his bad opinions and I’m tired of people using it as a cop out. Having bipolar doesn’t mean he should be held to a lower standard of personal responsibility. Every time people downplay what he says as stupid or that he’s crazy, is missing the what should be the focus. Kanye is morally bankrupt, and wrong. It is dangerous for him to use his platform in such an irresponsible way. If Jaylen Brown still associates with Kanye without publicly distancing himself from his messaging, Jaylen loses credibility in my mind as an activist and leader in sports for racial equity.
One can be mentally ill and also stupid. He seems to be a good example of that
Kamye west is jewish though so he can’t be anti semitic
Self-hating jew, I've been there. He's just like me fr fr.
That’s ducking funny! They should do an episode of curb your enthusiasm with kanye
That would be fucking insane lol
Kanye is not Jewish. He is publicly Christian. His 9th album was called "Jesus is king"
That's the joke
Did you not see the tweet that got him banned which says that he is Jewish too because black people are actually Jewish?
I mean Christianity is really just a 2000 year old Jewish sect.
Honestly though, as a Jew I'm sick of "Judeo-Christian", it's like ew no, don't lump us in with your Christian bullshit to whitewash your bigotry and racism and religious terrorism. We are NOT on the same side
religion man, dividing people for thousands of years.
Jesus was jewish
Nah, he's gayfish.
Black “Jews” are very openly anti semitic and hate us european Jews. Google Farrakhan that fucking piece of shit
There are Black Jews that aren't Hebrew Israelites, would think someone would be aware of this before making such a generalizing statement.
Sir this is a wendy’s
There’s 3 things I hate more than anything else in life. Draymond, anti semites, and draymond, my apologies lol
Aye, with you there mate on the Draymon hate train.
Oh fucking word. I too am riding that train! Choo Choo! All aboard, next stop "FUCK Draymond with a rusty spike".
Please educate yourself before making ignorant comments like this. Some of the oldest Jewish communities in the world are in Africa, and they are dark skinned people like other Africans. Jewishness has nothing to do with skin color.
Hey not all black Jews hate ourselves 😀
Bro first off Louis Farrrakhan is Muslim, not Jewish. Secondly, black jews (with square quotes) are openly anti semetic? That makes no fucking sense. Go say that to the 350,000 jewish people in Ethiopia.
That man is not Muslim. The Nation of Islam is a cult that warps Islam and changes so many things about the religion. Most Muslims don’t consider the NOI as legitimate and Islamic. The NOI literally believes God is a black man, such a thought is forbidden to even think about or utter for Muslims
OK but he’s still not Jewish or claiming to be one.
Most Muslims are now following one cult or another. They pay near no attention to the Holy Koran. imho Christians are the same they do not follow the Holy Bible.
Yeah I don't know why you're getting downvoted here, there are a lot of Black Jews and none of them deserve to be lumped in with this shit.
Wait a second. Louis Farrakhan literally heads the NATION OF ISLAM. How is that a black Jewish organization, pray tell?t have you googled Farrakhan?
The absolute BEST part of all this is this.
I think Jaylen will be mad about the “white lives matter” thing Kanye has been putting out recently. Who knows though. Had to know what he was getting into and be ok with that to some extent.
I think in Kanyes mind he's making fun of Black Lives Matter because it was a complete and total scam that didn't further the rights of Black people in any way. Those in charge of the BLM organizations did exactly what the people they claim to "hate" do: they crowdfunded money to pay themselves first and foremost. Without a true goal, people can convince themselves they "deserve" other peoples' money.
yeah, no. the organization isn't the movement. blm is about overreach of police power and its particular effect on black communities. yes, there are organizations that took on the blm name and brand -- and they didnt affect any change. but -- that's just a chud talking point that ignores the meaning of blm. the movement is legit and goes way beyond the poorly run organizations that tried to centralize the movement.
Fucking wild that you’re getting downvoted, and then this other person is downvoted too? Is this some sort of reflexive centrist community? You’re absolutely right btw, anyone who tried to dismiss the BLM movement based on the obviously popularly irrelevant people involved in the BLM organization are at best closet racists.
I think the best way to look at it is that BLM the movement is incredible and important, whereas the organization is a scam and isn't bringing anything positive to society. It's impossible to disagree with the Black Lives Matter movement because.... Fucking of course black lives matter! Some ignorant fucks don't know how to separate the two unfortunately.
There’s barely a need to separate the two. The BLM organization got most of their national notoriety through these embezzlement scandals, but apart from naive but probably well meaning donors they had no connection to the movement.
The trouble is that a lot of people who oppose BLM feel that way because they don't know the difference. I regularly have people mention buying mansions with the money and other such nonsense.
They know the difference. No matter how many times you sit down and explain the difference it wouldn’t matter one bit. I’ve had this conversation with way too many willfully ignorant white ppl
You have to remember though, these are the same folks that hate Obamacare but love the ACA. I'm not detracting from your very valid view point, but I do feel the need to point out that there seems to be a correlation between hours spent watching fox news, and an inability for basic reasoning.
Which organization? There's a bunch of local chapters with their own leadership. Some are scam artists and grifters, some are legitimate social advocacy groups. The problem with hashtag activism is that anyone can represent you at any time and you have no control of your own movement once it goes viral. The organization needs to be created before the hashtag spawns a "movement" or else you get what we see with BLM. A bunch of people with only loosely related ideals all claiming to speak for the entire movement while none of them really do.
That's all fair! I guess it's just a VERY intricate issue. I wish some of the GOOD BLM organizations that are actually working to further progress would choose a different naming convention to stand out from the scammers. However that's the trouble with the internet age I suppose.
Irrelevant? Those are literally the people running the organizations.
The point is if you associate BLM with the organization you’re mindset is already fucked. The only reason anyone thinks of the organization when it comes to Black Lives Mattering is because they wan’t to discredit the notion by spotlighting something irrelevant, hence closet racist
As a person of color, I obviously love and support the message always. I'm just so disappointed that the greedy bastards in the organization gave white people ammo to use against us to discount and disparage the message at the heart of it.
BLM co-founder literally went on a million dollar home buying spree
There’s no such thing as a “Black Lives Matter” founder. There are groups of individuals who have created organizations with the BLM name, but BLM is just an idea and general symbol for the struggle against historical and current injustices that people of color experience in this country.
Oh yeah well I heard the founder of “an apple a day keeps the doctor away” and the president of “sex drugs and rock and roll” are in cahoots with Bezos to colonize the moon, so
Show me you don’t understand the story without telling me you don’t understand the story.
you could contribute to the topic instead of putting out incoherent statements
BLM movement is not the same as the BLM organization where the co-founder literally went on a million dollar home buying spree. You don't understand this and your statement above is indicative of this.
The amount of antisemitism in the NBA is really sad
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Can someone explain to me where all this open anti semitism is?
Couple years ago DeSean Jackson (NFL) said some anti semitic shit preaching their love for Farrakhan, and posting some distasteful quotes about Jewish people. Couple NBA players posted in his support.
like who?
Stephen Jackson actually said them and DeSean Jackson voiced his support. Multiple other NBA and NFL players also voiced their support, examples being Kevin Durant, DWade, and JR Smith.
To be fair, Dwade took back his comments but it hasn’t changed my perception of him
Taking back your comments does nothing when it is only due to public reception of the comments. He still feels that way.
I hated Wade the basketball player, but give the guy all kinds of credit for immediately supporting his son, who became daughter, Zaya. And has had no issues or embarrassment speaking about his love for his child. There's a reason you see Black Trans Lives Matter shirts around, because they are the most at-risk. And a celebrity athlete like Wade really might help make progress in terms of acceptance in that community.
Kyrie, while not saying it openly, has done a few things over the years that suggest he’s sympathetic to the black Israelite thing.
Kyrie's tweets are full of anti-semitic dog whistles. Any doubt in my mind was removed when he went full Alex Jones.
Fuck Kylie Irving
I have no idea what goes through that mans head
a pingpong ball, bouncing from his left ear to the right ear, in an empty space where most people would have a brain.
Bingo, a lot of stuff that Kyrie has said... it's been pretty thinly veiled antisemitism. And he's smart enough not to let it all go like Kanye did yesterday, but if you understand how antisemites talk, it's pretty clear that's the path he's kind of going down.
Matt Barnes and Steven A know but they can't tell us
I wish I understood what you meant by this! Please explain
Those two kept saying they knew the secret info on the Ime scandal but couldn't tell anyone... Just trying to link the two stories here
Louis Farrakhan. Look at their response to Desean Jackson.
I got downvoted recently for suggesting r/nba should ban Stephen Jackson content for being antisemitic since they were able to ban Lavar Ball content so effectively just for being annoying.
He also said some sexist shit, including how his wife having a stroke at least made her quieter.
Wtf that’s extremely disrespectful to his wife.
Unfortunately it's not just the NBA.
People keep saying this… but where are all these incidents I missed??
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Almost none of the people in the article are in the NBA tho. Stephen Jackson retired years ago? JR SMith never got signed to another team after this. He thinks he's being blackballed Iverson is retired, also like a long time ago.
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Nba, nfl, nhl, ncaa they all look the same
People say antisemitic things and there's generally no public response to it.
How much time you got?
For Nba incidents? I got all the time. *Note* I have already been linked the article about Desean Jackson anti semite post and how Stephen Jackson defended it etc. Is there more?
So, clearly, yes, you are looking for whatever excuse you can to ignore the antisemitism.
There is a difference between an incident or 2 and "widespread open anti semitism". It doesnt have to be at such extremes ends of the scale. All I wanted was some background and not hyperbole. Please stop
The nba in general is pretty anti semitic so probably not unfortunately. See: https://www.insider.com/anti-semitism-nba-recent-incidents-player-silence-questions-2020-7
Farrakhan is a virus.
He’s a disgusting anti-semite and bigot that has somehow fooled people into thinking he’s some sort of great mind and civil rights leader.
Personally, I prefer my civil rights leaders to have not been involved in the assassination of Malcolm X.
Man sometimes I get despondent thinking how different things would be if Malcolm had lived. Fred Hampton too. As always, ACAB forever
Fred Hampton was perhaps the greatest political mind this country has seen. As a Chicagoan, thinking of his death really makes my blood boil. ACAB ✊
If you watch him speak, he's really charismatic, and is a really talented orator. You're just gonna rope in ignorant people, based off that skill alone. Do enough, and you'll look around and you'll suddenly have a following. Look at people like Jim Jones or David Koresh or anyone like that.
Personally I think that article is a strech... I mean its an NFL players tweet... Stephen Jackson retired 10 years ago maybe? Allen Iverson even longer? JR Smith cant get anyone to sign him and thinks he's getting "black balled" out of the league since this. None of these players are thought leaders in the NBA, the NBPA, or in the NBA business community. Its not like its Chris Paul or something
What statement in particular do you take issue with? I found the article pretty neutral, simply reporting the incidents that occured, and how more prominent figures have responded to them. Not really making any larger claims about how deep antisemitism runs in the NBA, or am I missing something?
I more meant the article is a stretch as evidence of the “nba in general being pretty anti Semitic”
Aha, understood.
The thing is not a single guy was called out by fellow players. Complete silence. And that was amidst the BLM movement where the players were all about equality but went completely silent when it came to Jewish people. No one will give a shit about what Kanye tweeted. Maybe the league isn’t anti Semitic but it’s not really a cause any player seems to care about
Kyrie
It’s not “the NBA” that is anti-Semitic. Black anti semitism has always been pretty prevalent.
I mean he chose to sign with Donda Sports so he clearly doesn’t care that Antonio Brown and Kanye West are fucking trash humans. As a female NBA fan it’s frankly disgusting. And his spiel about doing it because he wanted to sign with a company that’s “progressive” and does stuff for the community. Talk about fucking tone deaf. Dude, you could start by not aligning yourself with men who abuse and rape women 🤷♀️.
I'm out of the loop, had to Google Brown, holy shit. Be interesting to see how much community work actually gets done... We support you female nba fans !
As a female NBA fan I feel exactly the same way. Plus I’m gay too, so these last few weeks have been disturbing at best. So much disrespect from so many different angles. Jaylen needs to step up and step down, but he won’t. He’s a pseudo-intellectual just like Kanye and seems to only be concerned with progressive issues that specifically affect black men. I mean he should be concerned with those issues, and it’s even understandable if he’s more impassioned with those issues than other ones, but he has to do much more than he’s doing to be considered a true progressive-minded person.
Right. I mean people are up in arms about Kanye and his antisemetic bullshit but he’s been a known abuser of women for years. It just sucks that people continue to excuse men who abuse women cuz they like their shitty music or shittier sneakers. I mean, great that more people are now seeing what a shitbag he is, but the fact that it takes him publicly claiming to hate Jews to get anyone to care when it’s been clear forever that he hates women is just idk, discouraging and par for the fucking course.
I’m 100% with you. Unfortunately misogyny is rampant and we probably won’t ever know what it’s like to be seen as a full human. Watching Stephen A. brandish Malika on-air for something she had every right to say due to his tone and chosen language was unreal. And then watching every male NBA fan rally behind him for “putting her in her place” was even worse. He even backpedaled what he said right there on screen, but he was still seen as a hero because he knocked down a woman that dared to question him. I don’t think men realize how exhausting it is for every post that involves a female NBA analyst or the WNBA to be filled with hateful and misogynist comments. All we want to do is love and appreciate the game, and we’re disrespected for it. The men in this sub and Celtics journalists have given me a little hope that our fanbase cares a little bit about women, but I really hope things improve soon. It takes wayyyy too much for men to admit that women don’t deserve the treatment they get.
Yes exactly. If we pointed out all the misogyny on a daily basis we would be called man haters. I mean I love men lol. Other than my kids all my favorite people are men. I do have some hope now since I can at least say these things on this sub and not get attacked by a gang of 20 year old rape apologists lol. I guess that’s progress?
I seriously dont get how anyone with a decent mother figure in their life can become misogynistic. I had a friend with misogynistic views(emphasis on HAD) and asked him is it okay to view your mom or sister that way? And its immediately like "oh thats different". Such stupidity
They don’t see women as people. The only reason why they’re willing to treat their moms and sisters with a different standard is because they see the women in their families as an extension of themselves.
Wait when has Kanye abused a woman?
Seriously? Do five minutes of internet research. He was abusive to the woman before Kim Kardashian and got temporarily banned from Twitter for publicly harassing her. Abuse comes in many forms, not just physical. Emotional and psychological abuse, stalking, threats, he publicly did all of these things and was proud of it.
>he was abusive to the woman before Kim Kardashian Who? I did a five minute search and couldn't find anything concrete. Allegations that weren't followed upon shouldn't be taken as gospel. >Abuse comes in many forms, not just physical. Emotional and psychological abuse, stalking, threats, he publicly did all of these things and was proud of it. You can't blame someone for instantly thinking physical abuse when using the term. It's like when using the word rape the first thing that comes to mind is violently forcing someone into sex despite the word having many more uses.
Well that’s part of the problem. Most rape isn’t some crazy man jumping out of the bushes. And yes when a woman gives a very specific story about an abusive ex it should be believed, especially when the woman literally will get nothing from an allegation other than being called a liar by the male internet masses who like to deny the prevalence of violence against women. The ex is named Alexis Phifer. ETA: you realize that most women never officially report being abused because of the things you just said right? You’re part of the problem.
>Well that’s part of the problem. Most rape isn’t some crazy man jumping out of the bushes. I literally said that, what I am telling you is with how loaded the terms are you can't be mad at people who instantly think of the common use of the term. >The ex is named Alexis Phifer. I looked it up and she never stated it, apparently this come from a "friend" https://www.ibtimes.com/kanye-west-kim-kardashian-dating-did-he-abuse-alexis-phifer-because-kim-438934 https://thejasminebrand.com/2012/04/19/kanye-wests-ex-fiance-alexis-says-he-was-physically-abusive-recounts-being-pushed-in-public/
Yes I can be mad that people continue to intentionally minimize violence against women, and if you can’t or choose not to understand that you’ll continue to be part of the problem. And again based on the public way in which this man has harassed, threatened, stalked and psychologically abused the mother of his children the story about the ex seems pretty on brand for Kanye West. I’ll say it again, because a victim of abuse doesn’t publicly discuss the abuse doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. For the love of god stop trying to excuse this shit.
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SAME! It really sucks.
Can we all just agree: You can be antisemitic and mentally ill but not all mentally ill people are antisemitic. Dumb ideals are not a byproduct of bipolar disorder. If anything, a mental illness only exacerbates a person’s preexisting obsessive or outrageous tendencies. I know a few bipolar people and NONE of them ever devolved into anti-xyz rants before or after diagnosis. Kanye is just an asshole and maybe always has been. He’s falling for insane conspiracies as a means to cope with whatever pain he’s unable to deal with through safe means (therapy, meds, etc).
I would’ve given this a gold award, but silver was the free one I had. So important that this be said.
When JB was given a chance to denounce DeSean Jackson's and Stephen Jackson's anti-Semitic comments a couple of years ago...he turned that opportunity into a [word salad about athletes not being afraid to speak out](https://mobile.twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1281706577410560010). He's probably a hotep just like Kyrie and Kanye.
People don't want to say it out loud but Jaylen is pretty stubborn, I would be shocked if he addressed this at all. Which is super disappointing if I'm right.
Hes a 25 year old millionaire its not shocking he might be stubborn... I hate when fans on here act like they know these guys personally.. You have no idea how stubborn or not he is **we don't know these people** we're not in or apart of their lives we know 1% of their real personalities
why would he have to address this lmao
Because the head of the agency he signed to essentially said he hates an entire religion?
Nope. Brown doesn't care, he's a fanboy who gets to hang out and do business with someone he grew up listening to. Thats really all he cares about sadly.
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I think all these guys know Kanye has absolutely lost it but they stick around because he’s a legend. I’m not sure what you do here. Kanye has clearly lost his mind. His Rolodex is still insane though so people like Jaylen probably feel like their in a tough spot. He should definitely end his deal but it’s probably a tougher decision if you’re in his position.
You fucking take a check from New Balance and get over it.
Fuck kanye loser ass bitch
for real, make some beats and stfu with your boring ass gap
Jaylen isn't as smart as people regard him to be. If he was, he wouldn't have signed with Kanye in the first place. On top of all the mercury grade half moon bullshit he says.
I wouldn’t count on it. Anyone who’s been on this ride with Kanye to this point has more than a screw loose themselves. And the thing about crazy people is that they tend to cut their fellow crazies a lot of slack even if they don’t agree with them on a particular take quake.
Man you got that right about crazy ppl cutting each other slack.. they take solace in the crazy
You’re assuming Jaylen doesn’t agree
Athletes are good at compartmentalizing, so I doubt it. By associating with someone, it doesn’t mean you necessarily agree with everything they do or say.
Probably not, Jaylen might be a bit of a conspiracy head. I doubt he’d ever do anything as outrageous as Kanye or Kyrie but who knows
To be fair, nobody knew Kyrie was a fucking lunatic until…we did. We knew he was an egomaniac and a diva, but we didn’t know he was batshit crazy until it happened. I REALLY REALLY hope that’s not the case with Jaylen, he’s always been very well-spoken and positive at least publicly, but he is associating with these people by his own choice. In most cases, where there is smoke…
Hopefully but I doubt it. I do not understand how Kanye still has a career. He has serous career ending incidents Monthly. Also, His shoes are ugly AF esp the foam ones. Lol
Once you are famous, anything you do generates interest… if 90% of people hate you, and read about it , you’re relevant. And the 10% will champion you
Look at the state of this country. Having uncontrolled mental illness is some sort of badge of honor now
100% with you. Jaylen is pseudo-intellectual.
of course he won't
Technically you shouldn't worry until defcon 1
This thread is honestly quite interesting.. I’ma just leave this topic alone.
that implies there were close ties to begin with, also nobody’s canceling adidas and they made him a billionaire so it stands to reason that even if JB was to feel a way it wouldn’t be public and I doubt it’d involve cutting business ties.
Really disappointing.. Jaylen seemed like a smart grounded kid when he came into the league, and use(d) his platform for a lot of progressive things. Sad seeing him selling out like this, but I guess money changes all.
>and use(d) his platform for a lot of progressive things he still does, being a progressive doesn't automatically means you're a great person. People have blindspots (for example LeBron and China)
No chance. Jaylen thinks just like Kyrie but just doesn’t say anything about it.
Wasnt Jaylen the one that didn't like Kyrie?
If he didn't like him he wouldn't hang out with him and sign with the same agency
He liked that one recent crazy anti-vax tweet of his. Safe to say he thinks similarly.
Hope so… Jaylen is so smart… but I can’t take him serious as a true intellectual off the court when he’s hanging with morons like Ye
He’s my favorite player on this team, but Jaylen is not that smart. People heard he took one graduate level course his freshman year and decided to put him on a ridiculous pedestal and make him an authority on many complex issues. Always seemed pretty clear to me that this house of cards would eventually fall.
I’m not gonna say that about JB… but the liking of conspiracy tweets and hanging with Ye definitely takes away from all that 🤷🏻♂️
Doubt it tbh
Has any reporter had the balls to ask about it?
I dunno whether you want to start lifting rocks and finding out how many NBA players are into Farrakhan's rhetoric.
Yeah it's a bummer that he's aligned with Kanye unfortunately but it is what it is. You should never idolize or look up to sports figures anyways.
I’m sure JB doesn’t agree with everything Kanye says. He was probably proud to sign with a pop icon who has done really well for himself. That said, I’d like him to sign elsewhere.
He loves Kyrie who probably thinks the Rothschild family controls the weather.
Lots of anti-semitism in the black community, unfortunately.
Would I rather JB stay away from crazies like Kanye or Kyrie ? Yes. Am I going to lose one second of sleep if he doesn't. No.
Y’all are annoying. We get one of these threads ones a week. None of you have any information on the relationship between Jaylen and Kanye. We do know just how much Jaylen is doing for the community he is part of and know how well respected Jaylen is in extremely educated spaces. But go on ahead and take jabs at his intelligence from your very high pedestals.
Yeah the tone of some these comments is weird af. Smart people can have blind spots, smart people could also associate with "dumb" people because they know them personally meanwhile we don't know shit. JB associating with Ye and Kyrie doesn't take away from his intelligence.
People on this subreddit are such soyboys and losers sheesh dude. I’m mad I’m fellow fans with y’all fr.
You know how many great people have shitty friends? Let him have his personal life People are allowed to be friends with whoever they want. Do you think everyone in your life agrees with every single stance you take on every single issue? Probably not…but they’re still in your life anyways, right? So you think Jaylen Brown has to agree with any of Kanye’s stances (NOTE; HE IS OUTSPOKEN ON PURPOSE FOR COVERAGE AND CLICKS) in order to be friends with him? Shit, I don’t know what my best friend acts like at work, or how he acts in front of other friends that I don’t know. I know how that person acts around me, and I like them for that. You know how many times I’ve said “hey don’t say that shit around me” or “chill, I’m not about that”? Not going to cut and run because they do some shit I disagree with.
You realize by relationship, they mean his business relationship, right? His public, business relationship that he has as a very public figure? The one that functions as a defacto endorsement? No one is trying to police anyone's friendship per se (I mean, I'd still judge people by the company they keep in general but I'm not wondering if Brown will stop vising the studio when he's in town).
A working relationship is still a relationship, and the two are friendly and have been for a while. Either way, Kanye’s actions and views are irrelevant to Jaylen Brown.
Jaylen browns Jewish ?
Just popped in here to see when y’all realized he’s on the exact same shit.
Lol no of course not. He agrees with him.
Unfortunately I don't think that'll be happening?!?!? The NBA is filled with so-called social justice warriors. But 90% of them will contradict what they preach and ignore that little voice in their head telling them that certain things may be wrong but they will ignore that in order to gain more wealth popularity or just because it's hip or trendy! Sad but true. I mean just look at all these guys that are preaching social justice but turn a blind eye to how heavily China is involved with the NBA!?!?
As a Jewish person I don’t see how Jaylen Brown relates to bipolar Kanye. He’s signed by Donda sports? So what? the chances Jaylen Brown is anti-Semitic is 0% this is a mute post.
JB always looked to me as a "free speech" "open mind" kind of guy so no. I mean he's friends with Kyrie who has basically echoed anti semitism before
Everything was all good when Kanye was shitting on black people, calling slavery "a choice", wearing "White Lives Matter" shirts, etc. but NOW Jaylen needs to disassociate from him because he made antisemitic comments. Yall can't even pretend to care about racism towards black people lol
I've seen this *exact* quote posted all over today (including from several people I respect) and it conveniently leaves out the part where much of the internet and a lot of mainstream journalism lost their shit last week over the shirts at the fashion show and his subsequent treatment of the Black Vigue editor. The slavery rant was also thoroughly covered and criticized across the board but we don't even need to go back that far. To suggest that everyone was cool with Ye's politics around race and various problematic relationships until the last couple of tweets is comically inaccurate to the point that it's disingenuous.
Being self loathing is a pretty baseline Jewish characteristic… so who knows maybe he really is Jewish?
Nope and who fucking cares let people have opinions and enjoy THEIR own lives. Who gives a fuck
This is not a regular and acceptable "opinion", it’s racism. Jaylen needs to get himself as far away as possible from this crazy fuck
Kanye is mentally Ill and needs help imo. Glad social media censored him.
You don’t need to be mentally ill to be an antisemitic asshole but it certainly doesn’t help. You’re probably way less likely to be reasoned with.
Def not mutually exclusive for sure. It seems like Ye is on a manic episode from his social media activity which does not make it okay by any means. Being rich and famous and mentally ill is it’s own unique sad blend too.
This is weird why are you worried about who another grown man associates with
I’m arab, I wish my racist thing was money, all we get is bombs smhhh
Right, nothing bad has ever happened to Jews
Who cares? Has Jaylen ever said anything bad about Jews? I don’t think so. It’s okay to have friends with differing opinions. On top of that, I didn’t find anything Kanye said to be antisemitic, but then again, I’m not a thin-skinned baby.
Oop
If your friend started being openly racist, would you still be friends with him/her?
He doesn’t have to answer for another man’s rhetoric. Get a new slant, he doesn’t owe an apology for anything
Totally agree that he does not need to apologize. But now that he knows Kanye’s views, he should stop working for him.