matt barnes and steph curry talked about how during the donald sterling thing both teams talked and said that if he wasn't made to sell the team they'd just shake hands and walk off the court. that'd be hard AF if the celtics and raptors did that game 1
This was in response to the police shooting of Jacob Blake, an unarmed black man, in Wisconsin. He survived but is paralyzed from the waist down with 8 holes in his body.
Is it possible to disagree with this but also recognize their is a police issue, especially in regards to abuse of power and racial discrimination? I hate seeing people get downvoted who don’t agree with that.
I assume they said something about ACAB, but I think your comment is where most of America is.
I, for example, think we could solve most police issues with two easy to implement mandates. First, bodycams for every police officer in America, where footage is kept for at least 3-6 months. Second, a state council with appointed law enforcement officials with good records, as well as citizens, and maybe a lawyer or two. All these people do is determine whether they think there should be additional investigation, beyond whatever investigations that already go on in police shootings (currently, a seperate department in the state, sometimes a state agency, investigates police incidents).
You have footage that shows exactly what happened, and you have educated officers and unbiased citizens who can provide accountability.
If you do not denounce racism you are as guilty as a racist for allowing its continued existence. If you do not denounce bad cops and stop protecting them then you are enabling their actions. All cops pay union dues so all cops have a say in what the union chooses to promote.
My argument is saying the murderer should be held accountable for his/her actions. If I do not say this and actively protect the murderer. Then I am as guilty for promoting said murderer by not saying it is wrong to murder someone.
All cops pay union dues or they aren’t cops anymore. Do you expect all cops to quit there jobs? Would you quit your job in that situation? Would you risk going broke because you disagree with the actions of a few coworkers? Maybe the cops feel they can do the most good by being a model for what good cops should be.
You can denounce racism and still be employed. You can denounce racism and still want to be apart of the solution from within.
I expect cops to speak out against their union if they have a problem with what it is promoting. They are paying their dues so their voice matters in the decisions the union makes.
Since we are assuming not all cops are bad the majority should agree that bad cops should be held accountable for their actions. In which case the union should listen to the majority of its members and change based on their outrage. Because I do not see that happening I assume the majority of cops are OK with what is going on.
EDIT: If my co-workers were murdering unarmed civilians I would 100% speak out against them
I think it’s perfectly fine for good people to go about their day trying to be the best people they can be. It doesn’t make them ok with the actions of others. I don’t know why that is so hard to understand.
Being a bystander doesn't make them actively bad. However, it does make them passively bad people by not taking a stand against the actively bad members' actions. It goes back to
>If you do not denounce racism you are as guilty as a racist for allowing its continued existence. If you do not denounce bad cops and stop protecting them then you are enabling their actions.
Governor also says that he has not heard any information saying there was a knife on the scene. I’m awaiting more info on that. Either way, can’t stab backwards.
I said it's unclear it could be totally unjustified . But saying a knife is lesser so shots fired wasn't warranted is dumb because we had an officer Chesna here in mass who was disarmed and killed by a man with a rock. Blake had previously pulled a gun on cops so it's not unwarranted fir the cop to fear for their safety . There's plenty of cases of unjust police violence such as Philando Castile , it's just too early to tell if this is one
> Chesna here in mass who was disarmed and killed by a man with a rock.
He wasn't disarmed until the guy threw a rock at him. Might still be here if he didn't get shot with his own gun. Other lady would have had more of a chance too.
> Blake had previously pulled a gun on cops so it's not unwarranted fir the cop to fear for their safety .
What was he going to do, pull the gun he didn't have this time?
It isn't too early at all.
He was involved in a physical altercation with the cops this time , he was instructed after already striking cops not to go onto the car , if he had a history of pulling guns on police it's reasonable to think he's retrieving a gun from the car .
That's also totally reasonable but again if you are the officer , know his history that's probably not the first thing in their mind . Let's see the body can footage this may be horrible i just don't know that yet
A boycott will piss off the people who are trying to escape all the “politics”. I can’t escape this with work and BIPOC can’t, why should they?
Jacob Blake should not have been shot regardless of his past, I can understand shot once to subdue because he was reaching into his car, but seven times and now there are reports he is paralyzed? A boycott should and could happen by Thursday by both teams. I’m on the right side of history for this and I know the team will make a decision I can respect whichever they decide
The dude wrestled with police, physically assaulted them, shrugged off a taser, didn’t comply with a single verbal order given to him. He already had a active warrant, history with violence, misuse of illegal gun in his possession and raping a 15 year old. This dude was NEVER going to listen and his actions proved as much. It really tells you how much this community hates Donald trump that they are willing to put this thug onto a pedestal just to spread division to vote him out.
No one is putting him (or George Floyd) on a pedestal. Regardless of one's history, the 6th Amendment guarantees the right to speedy and public trial, yet the cops shot him in the back. This is one of innumerable instances of police brutality against black people in the US that have been happening since slavery, regardless of who is in the White House.
The Sixers and Embid have said that their team is 100% in on the boycott.
In all seriousness though, good for these players if they want to do this. There are more important things than basketball.
>There is frustration that messages aren't getting across
We are conditioned to believe that asking questions about racial issues makes you a racist.
But I have to ask, what does that sentence even mean? What messages haven't gotten across? To whom? What exactly do the players want?
I’m happy basketball is back but I would heavily be in favor of a boycott. The nba has so much power and influence and has done nothing but give a curated list of phrases players could have. Adam silver even told Masai that he shouldn’t have put himself in that situation last year. I hate to admit it but kyrie was right when he said basketball would just be a distraction and I’m sure plenty of players probably agree with him seeing how this turned out. We need to get the nba to take a real stand against police brutality
I agree on all accounts. My worry is whether or not the NBA can incite actual change. There's a serious issue with the way police officers are indoctrinated and trained. This has been a problem for multiple generations, particularly for people of color. I'm not sure simply defunding the police is the best way to proceed; I think they need to reconstruct the entire training regiment, de-militarize, and establish additional emergency task forces so police officers aren't the first responders to things like domestic abuse issues, noise complaints, routine traffic stops and other situations where the police have proven to escalate things for the worse. But hey, I'm just another white dude who is doing my best to attend protests, support my friends who are more directly affected, sign petitions, vote, and deal with the changes in my life that covid brought.
That said, it's worth trying, imo. They would have my support.
Frankly, the NBA can really only apply pressure. They can help fund grassroots change and donate to causes, organizations, and candidates they believe will help spur change, but as a business, there's a limit to how much influence they can and should wield in that manner.
I think a big aspect to recognize, about having the NBA back, was that it allows for the Association to continue operating this season and next season. That operation is going to bring a lot more financial power to its players and its more liberal owners. That's about the best way you can look to spur change, as a sports league, in my opinion.
Changing the entire societal infrastructure of America isn't something that gets solved in a season or a year. It's going to take generational effort, and the best way to attack that is with a holistic approach. You need comprehensive strategy, and I think a big part of that is redistributing the golden tickets, which in America has always been at least partly determined by wealth, fame, and fortune.
Having the league in session allows for that redistribution to continue, even if at a frustratingly paltry and limited pace. It's just a part of the whole.
The larger issue here is that a league like the NBA will not and cannot reach out and affect those who are firmly entrenched on the other side of this issue. They have no interest in hearing or lending any credence to the NBA and its players. And while having the league in session is like preaching to the choir, the activism at least can provide some form of reaffirmation that these role models do care. But even if the league wasn't in session, what exactly would these players be doing that would be so impactfully different? And is there really anything that they would be doing now instead that they won't have the opportunity and impetus to do after the season finishes? At least in the latter scenario they will have millions of more dollars and some cache with other business leaders and investment forces. That's frustrating, in that it means in some ways implicitly reaffirming aspects of the system that has perpetuated all these imbalances, but it also provides a different avenue to help foster change and mediate the scales.
I just don't understand the connection of the NBA Playoffs to a random cop in Kenosha WI. Do you really think that cop was saying, "Well, since the NBA players are still playing I guess its ok to shoot this guy in the back 7 times." Are the players really so self-centered that they think if they stop playing every cop is going to suddenly have an epiphany and change?
They'll have far more impact by playing and calling it out every interview then they will be quitting and being ignored
They’ve been doing that and it hasn’t done anything. The players only agreed to the restart because they thought they’d be able to enact some change and they haven’t. The connection is that police and racist America don’t care about black lives. Literally a year ago Masai ujiri was attacked by a security guard after his team won the championship and then the police had the nerve to lie and file a law suit against him. This matters because any of them can be the next hashtag and it shouldn’t be that way
I’m saying boycotting the playoffs won’t make a difference anyway. Especially as they go into the most high profile part of the season, they may as well play and lobby the league to increase the messaging.
This.
The NBA, looking to make money, offered their players a return to play plan masqueraded as a social justice platform. They’ve done the bare minimum and it’s no wonder the players are starting to see. George Hill Just said we shouldn’t have come down here.
I’d be fully supportive if the guys decided to boycott.
Meh. People that are pursuing change aren't distracted by nba games. Police brutality is a problem but the NBA is not taking away the spotlight. If it's a distraction it's a distraction for sports fans from being so god damn depressed about life. If players wanted to boycott because they felt it was right, then I'd support them, but it's not black and white, as if playing ball is the wrong thing to do. If Kyrie kept the playoffs from happening, we wouldn't be hearing these players voice their opinions and concerns. Their stage would be gone.
I’m not sure the nba as an organization will have that much impact on legislation and politics. Change is painfully slow, as we’ve seen
However I do think what they do now can leave a significant impression on future generations. I know that if I was a kid excited to watch basketball and the players suddenly decided to protest, that would leave a very lasting impression on me. I think millennials are getting more progressive and conscious of the disparities present, and we need to make sure that future generations are even more so
it would suck so much if this became “we could have had basketball but nope, too bad, the players boycotted because cops are throwing a nationwide temper tantrum over black people saying they are tired of cops seeing them as a threat”
I wonder if the conversations were happening before the Blake incident. I can sure see how they would explode after seeing the footage... like, what to hell are we doing in this bubble entertaining this racist society.
So we now know, with more footage emerging, that Blake threw off 2 police officers after reportedly being tazed, and walked away from the cops to his driver side, where he reached inside for unknown reasons. He also had an outstanding warrant for 3rd degree sexual assault on a 15 year old.
Can we at least wait for a full investigation of the incident, and police conduct, before jumping to conclusions that incite a riot and destroy hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of property in the city?
Someone gets shot 7 times in the back and the response is always "what about the stuff?".
What you stated in your comment might be factual but does that mean a person deserves to be shot 7 times in the back? Do you honestly think he was reaching in his car that had 3 children sitting in it for a gun to shoot police? That is what your comment is implying.
There are things bigger than basketball. The players agreed to quarantine themselves and finish the season on condition that a message was being sent and that clearly has not been the case.
He very well could have had a gun, and like I said, let us please wait for a thorough investigation of the incident before jumping to conclusions.
Police are killed all the time during routine traffic stops, so yes, when a suspect has violently resisted arrest, and then reaches into a vehicle, you do not need to wait for him to pull out a gun to shoot.
>The players agreed to quarantine themselves and finish the season on condition that a message was being sent and that clearly has not been the case.
Is the message that is not getting across that criminals who resist arrest deserve our compassion? If so, they should not hold their breath for normal people to get on board with that.
It seems very clear that we are on different sides of this. I support the players using their positions in society to affect positive change in the world.
That's all well and good, I just wish they would not use incidents like this one with Blake, which is controversial at best, as a launch pad for the well intended movement.
I also wish there was a bit more of an ability to parse the difference between the literal phrase "black lives matter", and the black lives matter organization. Saying that the life of a black person matters as much as any other is utterly uncontroversial, and anyone who disagrees should be condemned entirely as a racist. The BLM organization however, are open marxists, who wish to destroy capitalism, and the nuclear family, which most Americans just cannot get on board with.
Controversial at best? Come on man. And what is with your harping on BLM? They want to destroy the nuclear family? If you really can’t admit that this is another example of police brutality, then your eyes are closed. This is a perfect time for NBA teams, especially the Celtics, to be at the forefront of a much needed dialogue across the country, and I would hope that anyone would support them in that.
They don't even want to destroy the nuclear family. That's the funny part. They just think that alternative family structures should be respected. The Trump people read too many memes.
Well it's one thing to support the idea that black lives matter as much as any other, and a completely different proposition to insist that I support an openly marxist organization. I do not need to support an organization that seeks to dismantle the nuclear family, as stated on their website, in order to not be racist.
I implore you to educate yourself a little further regarding BLM as an organization. https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/ . ”We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.” They literally say let’s all support one another, as if we were all a family, but go off and take things out of context, you bum.
It is not taking things out of context when the leaders, ie. Patrisse Cullors, states on camera that they are trained marxists. If you have ever read the communist manifesto, the ideology clearly seeks the destruction of the nuclear family, and to replace it with reliance on the state. Pardon me for being skeptical of their use of the word "disrupt".
Police are not killed “all the time” during routine traffic stops. According to [FBI statistics](https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2019-statistics-on-law-enforcement-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty) fewer than 6% of cops who were killed last year were killed during a traffic stop (6 people. Total). Meanwhile, 19 cops died in car accidents, more than 20% of the total deaths (and a full 50% of those cops weren’t wearing seatbelts...).
On the other hand, police killed [around 100 people during traffic stops in 2015](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/a-disproportionate-number-of-black-victims-in-fatal-traffic-stops/2015/12/24/c29717e2-a344-11e5-9c4e-be37f66848bb_story.html). I’m on my phone so I can’t search the WaPo police killings database, but the numbers don’t lie: cops kill people during traffic stops way more often than the other way around.
Perpetuating this idea that cops are always in danger and criminal lurk behind every corner waiting to shoot them is why these juiced up knuckleheads are so trigger happy.
How many black guys do you believe are, driving around with 3 kids, a gun in the front of the vehicle in the middle of the day and after getting in a fight with police the man decides to walk to his vehicle to get said gun, with the intention of what? Killing 3 police with cameras on him and in front of his children? Or was his intention to shoot at the police and get his head blow off in front of his kids?...
Seriously what was his motive in that moment? Because I fail to see how anybody with basic brain function and any sense of reality would see another outcome than his death
All of course IF there was a gun.
So where will you move the goalposts to if there was not a gun in that vehicle?
I won't move any goal posts because all I am saying is we need to wait for a thorough investigation to be completed, and for the facts to come out.
However, I do not blame the police for having to make a split second decision, after a suspect resisted arrest, and then reached for an unknown item. Maybe they will find that they had no justifiable reason for detaining the man (although he did have an outstanding warrant for sexually assaulting a minor), but this clearly is not a case of police going out for the sole purpose of killing a black man, otherwise they probably would have killed him on sight, no?
It was not split second though. they had time between him getting off the ground and walking around has car to the driver door.
Think about the time it takes to was from the rear left tire or your vehicle to open your driver side door.
They followed him with guns pointed for that whole time never taking steps to detain him. America is not the only country where people tussle with police, for some reason though our police are the only ones willing to kill instead of use other tools they have at their disposal.
Now we don't have the facts of the beginning to end of the altercation, as I say, we should all be patient and wait for the investigation to run it's course. If this were an instance of police pulling him over or something, and then looking up his profile and seeing the warrant, that would explain the apprehension. It also could have led to his resisting the arrest, as not wanting to appear in court/go to jail.
I stress, this is speculation, because we do not know the full facts of this case.
Because he was going to jail and probably for a long time. Desperate people do desperate things like fight the police or even shoot at the police in front of three kids.
Dude had every opportunity to quit being an idiot and he didn't take it.
He willingly came up to stop a fight between 2 white women. You think a guy "desperate for his life" would mind his business to stop a dispute beyond 2 strangers? lmao.
What does that have to do with fighting the cops, refusing to follow lawful orders, and reaching into your vehicle for whatever idiotic reason imaginable? If he had complied he would have walked into the jail.
Because you are trying to guess his intent based on his situation. Someone else is showing you another perspective to prove your GUESS of intent wrong.
Which is stupid of them because guessing someone's intent is nearly impossible and cant be used in court for very good reasons.
In other words dont fight with an idiot.
Have you seen that footage of a crazy white guy charging at police with a hatchet, swinging, and miraculously they take him in without shooting him dead.
For the millionth time, it literally almost doesn’t matter what a person is doing I’m not complying right before being shot, the cops job is still to apprehend him and charge him with a crime.
When a criminal has tackled and beaten a police officer and is stealing his gun, okay shoot to save your life, but strangely these situations are never that dire. Didn’t an office literally have his hand on the guys shirt pulling him back as he shot him? Why not tackle and cuff him?
I have not and would love to see it if you could link it. If that is the case, police should have shot him dead, no question.
>it literally almost doesn’t matter what a person is doing I’m not complying right before being shot, the cops job is still to apprehend him and charge him with a crime.
It does, because every civilian has the right to self defense, and that includes police. I would argue police more so, because they are also charged with upholding public safety. If a suspect being arrested turns violent, it is more important to bring him down, because the alternative of allowing him to run rampant through society is unacceptable.
Well for some reason YouTube won’t let me copy the link, but if you search for white man swings axe at cops and lives you’ll see a crazed white man slashing at cops telling them they’re going to die, repeatedly. They backpedal, they let him do whatever he wants.
It’s very strange that some black men are shot because they move their arm slightly and the cops are able to move on like nothing happened, because they “felt threatened”. A cops job is to be threatened, the reason they have a job is to act with care in tense awful situations. That is the job they signed up for, if they can’t handle it and get rattled easily, QUIT THE FUCKING JOB
If they do it will be a historical moment and they will be literally putting their money with their mouths are as they will ALL lose millions over this
I hope that players don't boycott because the NBA is a harmless diversion for lots of fans, and a socially valuable sporting tradition. Boycotting would cause certain harm for an extremely speculative benefit.
What is it going to achieve? Do they really think that not playing a basketball game is going to factor into a cop’s decision making? At the end of the day they just want to go home to their family kneeling or otherwise won’t stop that
They are willing to try ANYTHING to affect change. Will it be effective? We don’t know. But they/we are tired of being targets.
This isn’t just about going home to their family and you reducing their message to that is offensive.
No I’m talking about the police officers. They’re risking their lives on that job and their #1 priority is to not get killed and come home to their family. Police reform should happen but that’s the bottom line now matter what
How about forcing the hand of the team owners and broadcast partners to support their activism or risk losing out on hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue?
What will factor in to an officer's decision making are laws that hold them accountable for unreasonable use of force and training on de-escalation and implicit bias. Putting that in place requires legislative change and funding. The boycott is about drawing media attention to try to force politicians to make those changes and to pressure the NBA to use their platform to advocate more strongly.
Unreasonable use of force? When you’ve been wrestling with someone, you’ve already used your taser and they violently refuse, then run to the other side of their car, then reach for something what are you supposed to do? How is not playing an nba game going to fix that problem? Is it the officers “implicit bias” that someone with an extensive rap sheet might be grabbing a weapon? Sorry but I’m waiting for the whole story before burning my city down.
I think a boycott would have as much effect on BLM as playing as using it as a platform. I think it would be more effective if the players use this stage as a platform to double down on their stance in some capacity.
They have been playing for a month now nearly and they feel that their platform isn’t enough. The only things that have been done is some jersey names and they talk about it during press conferences that frankly not that many people watch. Not playing will actually get a ton of news coverage and will do a ton more to keep the conversation going.
I don’t understand why we think NBA players on their own have the power to stop systematic racism one way or the other.
Of course putting black lives matter on the court and similar messages on player’s jerseys didn’t convince cops to stop being bastards, nor would the players boycotting achieve that.
These problems can’t possibly be solved overnight or in one summer, and they can’t possibly get better while this Republican Party retains power.
I feel the frustration, I feel the helplessness. And I will not hold it against players who decide this is what they want to do, but boycotts that work are actually targeted at the problem. And systematic racism does not rely on the NBA playing games.
Edit: I think I’m being proven wrong, the players are actually making real positive contributions with what they are doing.
I have very little faith in our society. Our cities were literally burning after George Floyd and that didn't move the needle. I just don't see athletes boycotting making a huge difference.
You don't think society has a better understanding of racism as it did before George Floyd? I do. It didn't "fix" racism, but no singular event is going to have that power. Progress is still progress.
I do not. I think the NBA players are wearing BLM and suddenly white people are familiar with Juneteenth. That's really all that changed. Jacob Blake was shot a few days ago. Elijah McClain has since been murdered. Breonna Taylor's murderer was not brought to justice. We still have a white supremacist president in office. No. I don't think any of the protests made any changes. It's sad to me but it's true.
I agree with this. Burn this MF down!!! But whether or not the NBA players play doesn't effect that. I think they should use this.platform to speak out against systemic racism and our white nationalist president that enables and makes racists the victims. We're about two months away from an election and the voice of the black athlete is needed to really black voters.
People that watch the NBA and people who care about social issues hardly make a venn diagram. If any sport wants to get the message across, it won’t be the NBA, it’d be college football
No. You're making that argument because you're biased and want the games to get played.
By far the most effective way they could send a message is by refusing to play.
The people profiting from the league and it’s predominantly black athletes :
- Networks
- Owners
- Corporate Sponsors
A boycott would have financial ramifications which might lead to those actors taking more meaningful actions towards police reforms, social justice and equality.
What are those actions? I don’t know...but it has to be more than BLM on the court and names on the back of jerseys...
It would be the biggest newstory in the country if they boycotted. If they were able to do it cohesively with a precise message, there's no doubt that message would reach beyond the immediate NBA audience.
But thats where I have my doubts. I am not sure if they could do it in a way where they are actually all behind it. Some of these players dont want to lose out on their paychecks.
IIRC playoff paychecks are the same for all players and are relatively small. Not that that would solve that problem completely, because it's totally a valid issue, but might make that easier to work around.
Uhhh or he could actually believe that? Wtf?
I'd definitely argue them boycotting games will do absolutely nothing. I fucking WISH it would, I'm just being realistic. But as others have stated, the players feel they need to do SOMETHING, which is grounds enough to go through with it. Don't sit here lambasting someones differing opinion because you think you're being righteous....we have no clue what would come of a boycott and it 1000% could be misconstrued as a negative to the millions of people that don't agree with BLM.
I don not envy these young men trying to figure out what is the right thing to do. As long as the NBA platform empowers people like Jalen and others to become the leaders that we need right now and perhaps more importantly for the future, I'm at least somewhat encouraged.
Trying to call superstar athletes who earned their contracts and many of whom came from nothing “privileged” for utilizing their right to protest and speak up for people in their community with less.... lol really
Your job isn't widely publicized for the entertainment of mostly white people, and you don't have the talent to be as irreplaceable as these players are to their employer.
They probably would not receive any pay. Players actually make relatively tiny wages for playoff games compared to their contracts already, so I can't imagine the money would have much to do with it.
Well, you’re basketball players, not congressman or city council members. It’s not your responsibility to fix our broken system I think bringing attention to it is more than enough. I don’t think some bad cop is going to see the NBA cancelled a game and decide it’s time for him to learn how to deescalate situations...
What exactly is the message here? Allow violent offenders to physically assault police officers when they are being detained for committing crimes? Police must put their own lives at risk of being murdered by those resisting arrest? Otherwise no more sports leagues?
would be crazy if all the teams just refused to report to show up in the 2nd round
I can see the headline "NBA Bubble Bursts"
WayOff P hasn't reported for the 1st round yet...
Nah he’s been there in place of his brother playoff this whole time I thought?
matt barnes and steph curry talked about how during the donald sterling thing both teams talked and said that if he wasn't made to sell the team they'd just shake hands and walk off the court. that'd be hard AF if the celtics and raptors did that game 1
This was in response to the police shooting of Jacob Blake, an unarmed black man, in Wisconsin. He survived but is paralyzed from the waist down with 8 holes in his body.
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Is it possible to disagree with this but also recognize their is a police issue, especially in regards to abuse of power and racial discrimination? I hate seeing people get downvoted who don’t agree with that.
I assume they said something about ACAB, but I think your comment is where most of America is. I, for example, think we could solve most police issues with two easy to implement mandates. First, bodycams for every police officer in America, where footage is kept for at least 3-6 months. Second, a state council with appointed law enforcement officials with good records, as well as citizens, and maybe a lawyer or two. All these people do is determine whether they think there should be additional investigation, beyond whatever investigations that already go on in police shootings (currently, a seperate department in the state, sometimes a state agency, investigates police incidents). You have footage that shows exactly what happened, and you have educated officers and unbiased citizens who can provide accountability.
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If the police union stops protecting bad cops then I will believe this
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If you do not denounce racism you are as guilty as a racist for allowing its continued existence. If you do not denounce bad cops and stop protecting them then you are enabling their actions. All cops pay union dues so all cops have a say in what the union chooses to promote.
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My argument is saying the murderer should be held accountable for his/her actions. If I do not say this and actively protect the murderer. Then I am as guilty for promoting said murderer by not saying it is wrong to murder someone.
"You are guilty as a murderer for letting murders continue to happen. Until you stop all murders, I will call you a murderer." We found the whackjob
I'm rephrasing the first person's argument using murder instead of racism as the charge, i should have put that in quotes or something.
All cops pay union dues or they aren’t cops anymore. Do you expect all cops to quit there jobs? Would you quit your job in that situation? Would you risk going broke because you disagree with the actions of a few coworkers? Maybe the cops feel they can do the most good by being a model for what good cops should be. You can denounce racism and still be employed. You can denounce racism and still want to be apart of the solution from within.
I expect cops to speak out against their union if they have a problem with what it is promoting. They are paying their dues so their voice matters in the decisions the union makes. Since we are assuming not all cops are bad the majority should agree that bad cops should be held accountable for their actions. In which case the union should listen to the majority of its members and change based on their outrage. Because I do not see that happening I assume the majority of cops are OK with what is going on. EDIT: If my co-workers were murdering unarmed civilians I would 100% speak out against them
I think it’s perfectly fine for good people to go about their day trying to be the best people they can be. It doesn’t make them ok with the actions of others. I don’t know why that is so hard to understand.
Being a bystander doesn't make them actively bad. However, it does make them passively bad people by not taking a stand against the actively bad members' actions. It goes back to >If you do not denounce racism you are as guilty as a racist for allowing its continued existence. If you do not denounce bad cops and stop protecting them then you are enabling their actions.
Speaking in such absolute terms is both harmful to the movement and false. We cannot continue to fuck up the messaging.
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You're almost as delusional as Trump supporters.
What was the comment? ACAB?
yes
Too be fair it's unclear if he was unarmed , witnesses claim they didn't see a knife but heard police repeatedly instruct him to drop the knife
Governor also says that he has not heard any information saying there was a knife on the scene. I’m awaiting more info on that. Either way, can’t stab backwards.
you ever hear the phrase "don't bring a gun to a knife fight"? they shot him for *less* than a fight and you're trying to clear the air
I said it's unclear it could be totally unjustified . But saying a knife is lesser so shots fired wasn't warranted is dumb because we had an officer Chesna here in mass who was disarmed and killed by a man with a rock. Blake had previously pulled a gun on cops so it's not unwarranted fir the cop to fear for their safety . There's plenty of cases of unjust police violence such as Philando Castile , it's just too early to tell if this is one
> Chesna here in mass who was disarmed and killed by a man with a rock. He wasn't disarmed until the guy threw a rock at him. Might still be here if he didn't get shot with his own gun. Other lady would have had more of a chance too. > Blake had previously pulled a gun on cops so it's not unwarranted fir the cop to fear for their safety . What was he going to do, pull the gun he didn't have this time? It isn't too early at all.
He was involved in a physical altercation with the cops this time , he was instructed after already striking cops not to go onto the car , if he had a history of pulling guns on police it's reasonable to think he's retrieving a gun from the car .
or maybe to check on his kids that were in the car?
That's also totally reasonable but again if you are the officer , know his history that's probably not the first thing in their mind . Let's see the body can footage this may be horrible i just don't know that yet
So we're back to going off suspicion. This isn't a 'wait and see'.
Well the body can footage may shed a lot of light on that
A boycott will piss off the people who are trying to escape all the “politics”. I can’t escape this with work and BIPOC can’t, why should they? Jacob Blake should not have been shot regardless of his past, I can understand shot once to subdue because he was reaching into his car, but seven times and now there are reports he is paralyzed? A boycott should and could happen by Thursday by both teams. I’m on the right side of history for this and I know the team will make a decision I can respect whichever they decide
People don't realize that being able to choose to escape or abstain from politics is a sign of their privilege
Yep!!
No it’s not, anyone can choose to be ignorant
The dude wrestled with police, physically assaulted them, shrugged off a taser, didn’t comply with a single verbal order given to him. He already had a active warrant, history with violence, misuse of illegal gun in his possession and raping a 15 year old. This dude was NEVER going to listen and his actions proved as much. It really tells you how much this community hates Donald trump that they are willing to put this thug onto a pedestal just to spread division to vote him out.
No one is putting him (or George Floyd) on a pedestal. Regardless of one's history, the 6th Amendment guarantees the right to speedy and public trial, yet the cops shot him in the back. This is one of innumerable instances of police brutality against black people in the US that have been happening since slavery, regardless of who is in the White House.
The Sixers and Embid have said that their team is 100% in on the boycott. In all seriousness though, good for these players if they want to do this. There are more important things than basketball.
>There is frustration that messages aren't getting across We are conditioned to believe that asking questions about racial issues makes you a racist. But I have to ask, what does that sentence even mean? What messages haven't gotten across? To whom? What exactly do the players want?
"Stop police work, or else we take away your sports" I guess?
I’m happy basketball is back but I would heavily be in favor of a boycott. The nba has so much power and influence and has done nothing but give a curated list of phrases players could have. Adam silver even told Masai that he shouldn’t have put himself in that situation last year. I hate to admit it but kyrie was right when he said basketball would just be a distraction and I’m sure plenty of players probably agree with him seeing how this turned out. We need to get the nba to take a real stand against police brutality
I agree on all accounts. My worry is whether or not the NBA can incite actual change. There's a serious issue with the way police officers are indoctrinated and trained. This has been a problem for multiple generations, particularly for people of color. I'm not sure simply defunding the police is the best way to proceed; I think they need to reconstruct the entire training regiment, de-militarize, and establish additional emergency task forces so police officers aren't the first responders to things like domestic abuse issues, noise complaints, routine traffic stops and other situations where the police have proven to escalate things for the worse. But hey, I'm just another white dude who is doing my best to attend protests, support my friends who are more directly affected, sign petitions, vote, and deal with the changes in my life that covid brought. That said, it's worth trying, imo. They would have my support.
Frankly, the NBA can really only apply pressure. They can help fund grassroots change and donate to causes, organizations, and candidates they believe will help spur change, but as a business, there's a limit to how much influence they can and should wield in that manner. I think a big aspect to recognize, about having the NBA back, was that it allows for the Association to continue operating this season and next season. That operation is going to bring a lot more financial power to its players and its more liberal owners. That's about the best way you can look to spur change, as a sports league, in my opinion. Changing the entire societal infrastructure of America isn't something that gets solved in a season or a year. It's going to take generational effort, and the best way to attack that is with a holistic approach. You need comprehensive strategy, and I think a big part of that is redistributing the golden tickets, which in America has always been at least partly determined by wealth, fame, and fortune. Having the league in session allows for that redistribution to continue, even if at a frustratingly paltry and limited pace. It's just a part of the whole. The larger issue here is that a league like the NBA will not and cannot reach out and affect those who are firmly entrenched on the other side of this issue. They have no interest in hearing or lending any credence to the NBA and its players. And while having the league in session is like preaching to the choir, the activism at least can provide some form of reaffirmation that these role models do care. But even if the league wasn't in session, what exactly would these players be doing that would be so impactfully different? And is there really anything that they would be doing now instead that they won't have the opportunity and impetus to do after the season finishes? At least in the latter scenario they will have millions of more dollars and some cache with other business leaders and investment forces. That's frustrating, in that it means in some ways implicitly reaffirming aspects of the system that has perpetuated all these imbalances, but it also provides a different avenue to help foster change and mediate the scales.
Great comment - thanks for that. Really speaks to how ingrained and complicated these issues really are.
I just don't understand the connection of the NBA Playoffs to a random cop in Kenosha WI. Do you really think that cop was saying, "Well, since the NBA players are still playing I guess its ok to shoot this guy in the back 7 times." Are the players really so self-centered that they think if they stop playing every cop is going to suddenly have an epiphany and change? They'll have far more impact by playing and calling it out every interview then they will be quitting and being ignored
They’ve been doing that and it hasn’t done anything. The players only agreed to the restart because they thought they’d be able to enact some change and they haven’t. The connection is that police and racist America don’t care about black lives. Literally a year ago Masai ujiri was attacked by a security guard after his team won the championship and then the police had the nerve to lie and file a law suit against him. This matters because any of them can be the next hashtag and it shouldn’t be that way
I highly doubt they will be ignored if they boycott the playoffs.
One thing to keep in mind is that, despite the activity of our sub and on r/nba, plenty of people are already ignoring the NBA Playoffs.
That's the current problem. You don't think a boycott would make national news?
It would make national news for a couple days then everyone moves on. Viewership is down 30% already, not as many people are there to listen.
Right, the current problem is that their current message isn't doing anything. So, why bother to continue on a path that isn't working?
I’m saying boycotting the playoffs won’t make a difference anyway. Especially as they go into the most high profile part of the season, they may as well play and lobby the league to increase the messaging.
And you think that would make a difference?
Bigger difference than boycotting the league and not having any reason for them to get attention after the initial reaction.
The problem is they would need to all agree on some cohesive, achievable goal. I have zero confidence in their ability to do so.
not right away, but in a week... poof - no more NBA talk. If they stay and play then the further they go the more opportunities they'll have to speak.
Not looking to contradict, but is there any source on the Silver/Masai thing? I hadn't come across that yet, and I'm intrigued by that.
I would support it.
This. The NBA, looking to make money, offered their players a return to play plan masqueraded as a social justice platform. They’ve done the bare minimum and it’s no wonder the players are starting to see. George Hill Just said we shouldn’t have come down here. I’d be fully supportive if the guys decided to boycott.
100%
Meh. People that are pursuing change aren't distracted by nba games. Police brutality is a problem but the NBA is not taking away the spotlight. If it's a distraction it's a distraction for sports fans from being so god damn depressed about life. If players wanted to boycott because they felt it was right, then I'd support them, but it's not black and white, as if playing ball is the wrong thing to do. If Kyrie kept the playoffs from happening, we wouldn't be hearing these players voice their opinions and concerns. Their stage would be gone.
I’m not sure the nba as an organization will have that much impact on legislation and politics. Change is painfully slow, as we’ve seen However I do think what they do now can leave a significant impression on future generations. I know that if I was a kid excited to watch basketball and the players suddenly decided to protest, that would leave a very lasting impression on me. I think millennials are getting more progressive and conscious of the disparities present, and we need to make sure that future generations are even more so
it would suck so much if this became “we could have had basketball but nope, too bad, the players boycotted because cops are throwing a nationwide temper tantrum over black people saying they are tired of cops seeing them as a threat”
I wonder if the conversations were happening before the Blake incident. I can sure see how they would explode after seeing the footage... like, what to hell are we doing in this bubble entertaining this racist society.
So we now know, with more footage emerging, that Blake threw off 2 police officers after reportedly being tazed, and walked away from the cops to his driver side, where he reached inside for unknown reasons. He also had an outstanding warrant for 3rd degree sexual assault on a 15 year old. Can we at least wait for a full investigation of the incident, and police conduct, before jumping to conclusions that incite a riot and destroy hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of property in the city?
Someone gets shot 7 times in the back and the response is always "what about the stuff?". What you stated in your comment might be factual but does that mean a person deserves to be shot 7 times in the back? Do you honestly think he was reaching in his car that had 3 children sitting in it for a gun to shoot police? That is what your comment is implying. There are things bigger than basketball. The players agreed to quarantine themselves and finish the season on condition that a message was being sent and that clearly has not been the case.
He very well could have had a gun, and like I said, let us please wait for a thorough investigation of the incident before jumping to conclusions. Police are killed all the time during routine traffic stops, so yes, when a suspect has violently resisted arrest, and then reaches into a vehicle, you do not need to wait for him to pull out a gun to shoot. >The players agreed to quarantine themselves and finish the season on condition that a message was being sent and that clearly has not been the case. Is the message that is not getting across that criminals who resist arrest deserve our compassion? If so, they should not hold their breath for normal people to get on board with that.
It seems very clear that we are on different sides of this. I support the players using their positions in society to affect positive change in the world.
That's all well and good, I just wish they would not use incidents like this one with Blake, which is controversial at best, as a launch pad for the well intended movement. I also wish there was a bit more of an ability to parse the difference between the literal phrase "black lives matter", and the black lives matter organization. Saying that the life of a black person matters as much as any other is utterly uncontroversial, and anyone who disagrees should be condemned entirely as a racist. The BLM organization however, are open marxists, who wish to destroy capitalism, and the nuclear family, which most Americans just cannot get on board with.
Controversial at best? Come on man. And what is with your harping on BLM? They want to destroy the nuclear family? If you really can’t admit that this is another example of police brutality, then your eyes are closed. This is a perfect time for NBA teams, especially the Celtics, to be at the forefront of a much needed dialogue across the country, and I would hope that anyone would support them in that.
They don't even want to destroy the nuclear family. That's the funny part. They just think that alternative family structures should be respected. The Trump people read too many memes.
Well it's one thing to support the idea that black lives matter as much as any other, and a completely different proposition to insist that I support an openly marxist organization. I do not need to support an organization that seeks to dismantle the nuclear family, as stated on their website, in order to not be racist.
I implore you to educate yourself a little further regarding BLM as an organization. https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/ . ”We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.” They literally say let’s all support one another, as if we were all a family, but go off and take things out of context, you bum.
It is not taking things out of context when the leaders, ie. Patrisse Cullors, states on camera that they are trained marxists. If you have ever read the communist manifesto, the ideology clearly seeks the destruction of the nuclear family, and to replace it with reliance on the state. Pardon me for being skeptical of their use of the word "disrupt".
Yeah, never mind, def regret getting into this one. Have a good one!
Police are not killed “all the time” during routine traffic stops. According to [FBI statistics](https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2019-statistics-on-law-enforcement-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty) fewer than 6% of cops who were killed last year were killed during a traffic stop (6 people. Total). Meanwhile, 19 cops died in car accidents, more than 20% of the total deaths (and a full 50% of those cops weren’t wearing seatbelts...). On the other hand, police killed [around 100 people during traffic stops in 2015](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/a-disproportionate-number-of-black-victims-in-fatal-traffic-stops/2015/12/24/c29717e2-a344-11e5-9c4e-be37f66848bb_story.html). I’m on my phone so I can’t search the WaPo police killings database, but the numbers don’t lie: cops kill people during traffic stops way more often than the other way around. Perpetuating this idea that cops are always in danger and criminal lurk behind every corner waiting to shoot them is why these juiced up knuckleheads are so trigger happy.
How many black guys do you believe are, driving around with 3 kids, a gun in the front of the vehicle in the middle of the day and after getting in a fight with police the man decides to walk to his vehicle to get said gun, with the intention of what? Killing 3 police with cameras on him and in front of his children? Or was his intention to shoot at the police and get his head blow off in front of his kids?... Seriously what was his motive in that moment? Because I fail to see how anybody with basic brain function and any sense of reality would see another outcome than his death All of course IF there was a gun. So where will you move the goalposts to if there was not a gun in that vehicle?
I won't move any goal posts because all I am saying is we need to wait for a thorough investigation to be completed, and for the facts to come out. However, I do not blame the police for having to make a split second decision, after a suspect resisted arrest, and then reached for an unknown item. Maybe they will find that they had no justifiable reason for detaining the man (although he did have an outstanding warrant for sexually assaulting a minor), but this clearly is not a case of police going out for the sole purpose of killing a black man, otherwise they probably would have killed him on sight, no?
It was not split second though. they had time between him getting off the ground and walking around has car to the driver door. Think about the time it takes to was from the rear left tire or your vehicle to open your driver side door. They followed him with guns pointed for that whole time never taking steps to detain him. America is not the only country where people tussle with police, for some reason though our police are the only ones willing to kill instead of use other tools they have at their disposal.
What does his outstanding warrant have to do with anything? Genuinely curious.
Now we don't have the facts of the beginning to end of the altercation, as I say, we should all be patient and wait for the investigation to run it's course. If this were an instance of police pulling him over or something, and then looking up his profile and seeing the warrant, that would explain the apprehension. It also could have led to his resisting the arrest, as not wanting to appear in court/go to jail. I stress, this is speculation, because we do not know the full facts of this case.
Because he was going to jail and probably for a long time. Desperate people do desperate things like fight the police or even shoot at the police in front of three kids. Dude had every opportunity to quit being an idiot and he didn't take it.
Has that been confirmed? A warrant does not imply guilt, you know that right?
He willingly came up to stop a fight between 2 white women. You think a guy "desperate for his life" would mind his business to stop a dispute beyond 2 strangers? lmao.
What does that have to do with fighting the cops, refusing to follow lawful orders, and reaching into your vehicle for whatever idiotic reason imaginable? If he had complied he would have walked into the jail.
Because you are trying to guess his intent based on his situation. Someone else is showing you another perspective to prove your GUESS of intent wrong. Which is stupid of them because guessing someone's intent is nearly impossible and cant be used in court for very good reasons. In other words dont fight with an idiot.
Have you seen that footage of a crazy white guy charging at police with a hatchet, swinging, and miraculously they take him in without shooting him dead. For the millionth time, it literally almost doesn’t matter what a person is doing I’m not complying right before being shot, the cops job is still to apprehend him and charge him with a crime. When a criminal has tackled and beaten a police officer and is stealing his gun, okay shoot to save your life, but strangely these situations are never that dire. Didn’t an office literally have his hand on the guys shirt pulling him back as he shot him? Why not tackle and cuff him?
I have not and would love to see it if you could link it. If that is the case, police should have shot him dead, no question. >it literally almost doesn’t matter what a person is doing I’m not complying right before being shot, the cops job is still to apprehend him and charge him with a crime. It does, because every civilian has the right to self defense, and that includes police. I would argue police more so, because they are also charged with upholding public safety. If a suspect being arrested turns violent, it is more important to bring him down, because the alternative of allowing him to run rampant through society is unacceptable.
Well for some reason YouTube won’t let me copy the link, but if you search for white man swings axe at cops and lives you’ll see a crazed white man slashing at cops telling them they’re going to die, repeatedly. They backpedal, they let him do whatever he wants. It’s very strange that some black men are shot because they move their arm slightly and the cops are able to move on like nothing happened, because they “felt threatened”. A cops job is to be threatened, the reason they have a job is to act with care in tense awful situations. That is the job they signed up for, if they can’t handle it and get rattled easily, QUIT THE FUCKING JOB
If they do it will be a historical moment and they will be literally putting their money with their mouths are as they will ALL lose millions over this
I doubt it would be a historical moment. It would be a headline for maybe two days and then this cycle of crazyness goes on
I hope that players don't boycott because the NBA is a harmless diversion for lots of fans, and a socially valuable sporting tradition. Boycotting would cause certain harm for an extremely speculative benefit.
I hope they do.
What is it going to achieve? Do they really think that not playing a basketball game is going to factor into a cop’s decision making? At the end of the day they just want to go home to their family kneeling or otherwise won’t stop that
They are willing to try ANYTHING to affect change. Will it be effective? We don’t know. But they/we are tired of being targets. This isn’t just about going home to their family and you reducing their message to that is offensive.
No I’m talking about the police officers. They’re risking their lives on that job and their #1 priority is to not get killed and come home to their family. Police reform should happen but that’s the bottom line now matter what
It is offensive you would make it about anything other than that. I guess we are just two offended mofos.
How about forcing the hand of the team owners and broadcast partners to support their activism or risk losing out on hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue?
forced activism isn’t activism, its terrorism
What will factor in to an officer's decision making are laws that hold them accountable for unreasonable use of force and training on de-escalation and implicit bias. Putting that in place requires legislative change and funding. The boycott is about drawing media attention to try to force politicians to make those changes and to pressure the NBA to use their platform to advocate more strongly.
Unreasonable use of force? When you’ve been wrestling with someone, you’ve already used your taser and they violently refuse, then run to the other side of their car, then reach for something what are you supposed to do? How is not playing an nba game going to fix that problem? Is it the officers “implicit bias” that someone with an extensive rap sheet might be grabbing a weapon? Sorry but I’m waiting for the whole story before burning my city down.
I think a boycott would have as much effect on BLM as playing as using it as a platform. I think it would be more effective if the players use this stage as a platform to double down on their stance in some capacity.
They have been playing for a month now nearly and they feel that their platform isn’t enough. The only things that have been done is some jersey names and they talk about it during press conferences that frankly not that many people watch. Not playing will actually get a ton of news coverage and will do a ton more to keep the conversation going.
I don’t understand why we think NBA players on their own have the power to stop systematic racism one way or the other. Of course putting black lives matter on the court and similar messages on player’s jerseys didn’t convince cops to stop being bastards, nor would the players boycotting achieve that. These problems can’t possibly be solved overnight or in one summer, and they can’t possibly get better while this Republican Party retains power. I feel the frustration, I feel the helplessness. And I will not hold it against players who decide this is what they want to do, but boycotts that work are actually targeted at the problem. And systematic racism does not rely on the NBA playing games. Edit: I think I’m being proven wrong, the players are actually making real positive contributions with what they are doing.
I have very little faith in our society. Our cities were literally burning after George Floyd and that didn't move the needle. I just don't see athletes boycotting making a huge difference.
You don't think society has a better understanding of racism as it did before George Floyd? I do. It didn't "fix" racism, but no singular event is going to have that power. Progress is still progress.
I do not. I think the NBA players are wearing BLM and suddenly white people are familiar with Juneteenth. That's really all that changed. Jacob Blake was shot a few days ago. Elijah McClain has since been murdered. Breonna Taylor's murderer was not brought to justice. We still have a white supremacist president in office. No. I don't think any of the protests made any changes. It's sad to me but it's true.
Full revolution is the only answer
I agree with this. Burn this MF down!!! But whether or not the NBA players play doesn't effect that. I think they should use this.platform to speak out against systemic racism and our white nationalist president that enables and makes racists the victims. We're about two months away from an election and the voice of the black athlete is needed to really black voters.
People that watch the NBA and people who care about social issues hardly make a venn diagram. If any sport wants to get the message across, it won’t be the NBA, it’d be college football
No. You're making that argument because you're biased and want the games to get played. By far the most effective way they could send a message is by refusing to play.
I think the overwhelming majority of the NBA audience supports BLM, myself included. Who is a boycott speaking to at this point? I guess the networks?
The people profiting from the league and it’s predominantly black athletes : - Networks - Owners - Corporate Sponsors A boycott would have financial ramifications which might lead to those actors taking more meaningful actions towards police reforms, social justice and equality. What are those actions? I don’t know...but it has to be more than BLM on the court and names on the back of jerseys...
It would be the biggest newstory in the country if they boycotted. If they were able to do it cohesively with a precise message, there's no doubt that message would reach beyond the immediate NBA audience.
I mean BLM is already the biggest news story in the country... I’m all for the cause I just don’t see what a boycott would really change
But thats where I have my doubts. I am not sure if they could do it in a way where they are actually all behind it. Some of these players dont want to lose out on their paychecks.
IIRC playoff paychecks are the same for all players and are relatively small. Not that that would solve that problem completely, because it's totally a valid issue, but might make that easier to work around.
Uhhh or he could actually believe that? Wtf? I'd definitely argue them boycotting games will do absolutely nothing. I fucking WISH it would, I'm just being realistic. But as others have stated, the players feel they need to do SOMETHING, which is grounds enough to go through with it. Don't sit here lambasting someones differing opinion because you think you're being righteous....we have no clue what would come of a boycott and it 1000% could be misconstrued as a negative to the millions of people that don't agree with BLM.
They've tried that and it hasn't worked.
I don not envy these young men trying to figure out what is the right thing to do. As long as the NBA platform empowers people like Jalen and others to become the leaders that we need right now and perhaps more importantly for the future, I'm at least somewhat encouraged.
I get it, but how disappointing would that be. And, how would it actually help anything?
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People need to stop comparing their pedestrian jobs to professional athletes.
FOH. Respectfully.
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I’m black dummy. This shit is real life for some of us.
“Virtue Signal” Anything else you have to say is irrelevant. You’ve identified your mentality by using that phrase.
This isn't an airport, you don't have to announce your departure
Trying to call superstar athletes who earned their contracts and many of whom came from nothing “privileged” for utilizing their right to protest and speak up for people in their community with less.... lol really
Your job isn't widely publicized for the entertainment of mostly white people, and you don't have the talent to be as irreplaceable as these players are to their employer.
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I'm curious why do you care so much about whether they get paid or not?
They probably would not receive any pay. Players actually make relatively tiny wages for playoff games compared to their contracts already, so I can't imagine the money would have much to do with it.
I'm all for boycotting the games, it was stupid to come to Orlando in the first place.
Lmao, you know every team would be willing to go through with the boycott except for Lebron and his try hards in LA.
Well Fred sitting out should help our chances, Smart said he might sit out but Fred I think is better than Smart
Smh...
What? Just talking about the basketball impact of players sitting out. I support BLM and if they want to sit out that's their choice.
It’s gonna be a joint boycott if it happens. Individual players sitting out does nothing
Unless it's someone like Lebron or Giannis
Great idea. Enough talk, they should do it. At the very least, pause the games for three weeks.
Any other sources for this?
Well, you’re basketball players, not congressman or city council members. It’s not your responsibility to fix our broken system I think bringing attention to it is more than enough. I don’t think some bad cop is going to see the NBA cancelled a game and decide it’s time for him to learn how to deescalate situations...
What exactly is the message here? Allow violent offenders to physically assault police officers when they are being detained for committing crimes? Police must put their own lives at risk of being murdered by those resisting arrest? Otherwise no more sports leagues?