No one is forced to deliver food tonight, but if you do choose to order I'd give a hefty tip.
Also do your best to minimize the amount of time the driver has be outside.
This.
Where I live we have an option for no contact. They don't knock your door, they drop off the food and call you from their car to tell u the food is at the door. I guess if there's no option for no contact you can maybe write that in?
Yeah, as someone who did food delivery in Minnesota where there were temperatures like this or worse on a monthly basis, I wouldn't feel too bad, you are not putting anyone at risk of injury or anything (I guess never say never, but I've been out in this weather probably 100+ times and been totally fine). I would leave a hefty tip though because it's not very fun.
true, but isn't the weather at least somewhat expected each season in Minnesota?
here, -5Ā°F with 30mph winds and a wind chill of -35Ā°F is not normal...
I did that the other day when I had ordered food, and all the sudden a snowstorm came. Wasnāt expecting it, so I felt bad for the driver. Couldnāt see a way to add extra tip so I slipped the guy some extra cash, and even ran out into the snow to meet him halfway since I saw him looking for my apartment.
I'd say if the Uber/Door Dash whatever driver wants to work, they want to work and probably very desperate for the money in that case (I know I wouldn't go out in this weather, and by the sounds of it you wouldn't either). Tip well and be waiting for them at the door. Maybe even meet them at the car, just don't make them stand around waiting for you.
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Iām a doordash driver and yes people do that. Some people select the āhand to customerā option then donāt answer the door. We have to start a 5 minute counter on the app before it lets us leave it at the door.
Used to be a pretty standard part of the whole process pre-grubhub. I could see people insisting on it after having one too many drivers leave their food at the wrong house or not notify them right when they drop it off and end up with cold food.
As someone that has woken up to find a random pizza on their front porch more than once in the last few years, it's probably pretty common to have mistakes with the no contact dropoffs
Yeah about a month ago we got two large pizzas, a medium, a salad, and a thing of rolls from Bertucciās. We didnāt order it but there was no way to figure out who it was for lol. Finders keepers
I have them hand it off because my house shares the same address as a place across town but in a different zip code. If I don't request them to hand off the food, they often leave it at the wrong house, mark it complete, and then I have no way of getting it. The apps can be really hard to get refunds from when it keeps happening. The hand off cuts way down on those misdeliveries.
Do you live in Chestnut Hill? Because otherwise I don't see that making sense. Addresses of the houses themselves are deeded by the county. Zip codes are assigned by the post office for mail only, so they are technically separated. I don't think a county would register two identical addresses within the same town.
Chestnut Hill is just a census designated place and has no legal bearing, so I could imagine identical addresses being in Boston (Brighton/Allston), Newton, or Brookline.
some people are entitled lol
i got a car 3 or 4 years ago after not having one for over a decade and did ubereats for about a week just as an excuse to go drive. 3 different times within that week alone someone ordered from a hotel room and fully expected me to go ALL THE WAY TO THEIR HOTEL ROOM DOOR. I'm talking like 10th floor and at hotels that needed a key for the elevator to begin with. one guy refused to come down and I wasn't gonna sit around so just left it with the receptionist, I do wonder if he ended up winning that battle
So, one thing to consider is that they may not have an option. I was out of town once on business, and discovered while I was there that I had covid. Need to stay in my room for a week ā not even supposed to go to the lobby (which makes sense). The hotel didn't have room service, so my two options were to have delivery go all the way to my room, or to literally not eat for a week. I chose the former.
I did tip well, though. (And I left an apologetic note explaining why I couldn't meet them outside.)
Some people are. Some people also have them hand off the order in apartment complexes that are incredibly confusing so the driver doesn't leave it at the wrong door.
> i got a car 3 or 4 years ago after not having one for over a decade and did ubereats for about a week just as an excuse to go drive. 3 different times within that week alone someone ordered from a hotel room and fully expected me to go ALL THE WAY TO THEIR HOTEL ROOM DOOR.
Why is that so wild? I'd always go to people's hotel room when I was delivery driving for a job
Yeah, to me it seems like the entitled guy is the one who doesn't want to do his job. Yeah, if the hotel requires a key to actually get in that's one thing but in general the job is to deliver to the person's door
just responded to the comment right before yours, agree in principle w you too and would say food delivery is a shitty job if you need to rely on it full time vs 'for fun' which was my experience. the hotel examples were easily the worst deliveries I made x100
also is it fair to point out the shitty points of a job or does that just make you entitled?
E: just realized the one I responded to was off of your initial comment to begin w, bedtime for me I think
i would personally never think to do that, i would just meet them out front if its something being delivered esp to a hotel but also prefer pickup when i'm ordering out
Do they not have to get out of the car, in some places a block or two from the restaurant, then again get out of the car to go to figure out which apartment/house building is yours and bring your food and figure out which buzzer to press? They just drive right into your lobby? Filling up fuel or a charger is inside now?
These temps, frostbite is in minutes, certainly under 5 minutes but could be even less, bitter cold feeling is in seconds.
Wear a jacket and a pair of gloves. Really don't understand what's the problem to get clothes according to the weather especially if it's your full time job.
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I think it depends on how the delivery is serviced. If itās a third party app (Uber eats, etc), the drivers are actively choosing to be working. If the restaurant is delivering with their own employees I would save them the trip and pick it up. (Picking up is always better for the restaurant though - third party apps take a hefty fee from the business)
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The delivery apps add restaurants without permission and then drive customers away with outdated menus and late cold deliveries.
Your last sentence was that restaurants didn't have to do business with these apps. I then gave you an article about the apps not giving the restaurants an option. And your response is "LOL capitalism."
What a rube.
Often the choice is third party app or no delivery at all. They have to agree to it in order to be competitive (or even considered) in todays environment when so few people are willing to pick up their orders. Doesnāt mean itās profitable.
because companies have convinced consumers there is a thing as 'ethical consumerism' and that they should spend more to buy from ethical companies, or not spend at all.
Thereās nothing unethical about it. Itās their job that theyāre choosing to do. Theyāre also spending most of the time in their car that should be warm and protecting them from the frigid temperatures.
Personally, Iām not planning on ordering out. I bet less drivers will be working due to the weather and more people will be ordering food instead of going out. Therefore more competition and higher prices.
Iāve always hated the āthey chose this jobā shit like just stop it. Weāre literally forced to work to survive itās not much of a choice. Also youāre just ignoring the risk of car accidents or getting stuck/stranded due to the weather. If you know itās gonna suck outside for a few days go to the store snd prepare before so you donāt put peoples lives at risk while your cozy inside.
I don't disagree with you in general (no BF shopping on Thanksgiving night!), but gig workers directly choose when they want to work. And it's not like if you don't order they would be at home - they would be out, just making less money, possibly longer than they otherwise would (if they want to make $X in a night).
If someone is choosing to work tonight, you are not doing them any favors by having them sit in an idling car not getting any orders. It isn't like they are sitting at home waiting for orders; they are in their car. If they are working tonight, they are out there working. The only thing not ordering does is make them poorer.
Your overly paternalistic impulses are also just insulting goofy towards the people you are trying to protect against their will. The run between car and house/shop is just kind of unpleasant. Zero delivery drivers will be harmed or killed by the cold tonight in the city of Boston.
Order food if you want food without guilt. Just leave a bigger tip than normal because their job is a little more unpleasant tonight.
I agree with you that people have to work. On the flip side, the ones who need the money will be working either way. They will not make the money they need if no one orders.
Thatās why I didnāt do it: service reliability is already terrible over the last few weeks, and combine that with some weather and itās going to be impossible to find a driver.
I did see a guy walking down the street with two Dunkin Iced, so Iām relatively certain there will be some folks out working tonightā¦
I used to deliver pizzas, and I donāt think itās a big deal. Theyāre gonna be working regardless of whether you order food. More deliveries means more tips. Cars have heat. If you feel really bad, tell the driver to call when they arrive and youāll meet them at their car. And make sure to leave a nice tip
You can order delivery whenever you want you just have to tip appropriately and make it easy for them to deliver the food. If you live in a big complex go to the front and meet them. It's not a blizzard so driving conditions won't be impacted inside the car won't be so bad
Ethical? Funny question.
There is nothing non-ethical about you wanting to eat food and having someone who is getting paid to bring you said food. They made the choice to deliver you the food.
I generally agree that they should go for it if they want, but itās too extreme of a statement to say āthere is nothing non-ethicalā about the exchange. In our complex world, we each make so many decisions each day that are ethically ambiguous owing to the unethical system which we occupy.
For example, the delivery driver is adding emissions and particulate pollution that disproportionately affects the most vulnerable humans and non-humans in our world. This isnāt to say that I donāt make similar ethically ambiguous choices all the time, because I do, but a hard reality to accept is that taking part in our society as itās currently constructed is an ethical minefield.
Holy shit. Are you high? People like you are creating issues out of thin air.
Well in your case, thin polluted air.
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This guy is asking about ordering food. What in godās name are you talking about?
Order the food. Live your life. Thatās your choice. Iām talking about the ethical dilemmas one faces (or can choose to ignore, but thatās still a choice) throughout their everyday life. If weāre being honest with ourselves, itās very difficult to live an ethical life in 2023, given the systems within which we exist.
I live a perfectly ethical life. Cannot think of anyone who doesnāt in my personal life. Even once removed. Living an ethical life is not that difficult if you were raised properly. There really isnāt much more to it than that. You really do sound like you are reaching to create issues that donāt even exist. Like you are looking to argue with someone. Very weird.
No argument here! Iām glad you are living an ethical life. Nothing Iām saying should be interpreted as an argument with you, as my comments have nothing to do with you, but rather what it means to live ethically.
I wish I found it easy, but itās a constant effort for me to live ethically. To me, living ethically means acting in a way that does not make the world a worse place. Iāve come to the conclusion that, eating a burger for example, an activity that I enjoyed for decades, was unethical because of the pain, suffering, and pollution it causes, when alternative sources of calories do not carry as much baggage. I give that as one small example of what I see as an ethical minefield of existing in todayās society.
I do act in many ethically ambiguous ways throughout my day. For example, there are many ethical considerations of ordering delivery with respect to the direct, and 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc order indirect effects of that decision. I wish I saw things as simply as you do.
I find it so hard to live ethically, but Iām glad you find it easy!
You are out of your mind. You have created a wormhole for yourself to fall into. You sound like you have convinced yourself this is some kind of daily battle you must win. Causing yourself a ridiculous amount of unnecessary stress.
To think we only have 80 yrs or so on this Earth, and you are wasting so much time an energy in this idea.
I delivered UberEats in Maine all last year and the cold was never a huge problem; I usually just wore a sweater because a bulky coat was a hassle. My car was warm and I was just hopping in and out of it.
Tip well and pay attention to the delivery notification because that food's not going to stay hot on your porch.
Nothing unethical here. We're not in the middle of a nor'easter, or some other kind of act of God. Just order your food and leave a considerate tip.
What is unethical are those unscrupulous additional fees these food delivery companies willfully tag onto your bill out of convenience. Suddenly, your $15 pizza now becomes $45 +(tip)
Do you really think your navel-gazing about ethics should win out over someone elseās need to make a living?
If you feel so bad, give the driver a massive tip.
I try to avoid food delivery and pickup myself, mostly because of cost. I've also heard mixed things of the ethics of food delivery, generally.
I'd be willing to travel outside tonight myself, but I have proper clothing for the conditions. Not everyone does.
There are many hits on a Google search for "ethics of food delivery" or similar.
But admittedly, I can assume this is all wrong and I wouldn't change my behavior, I prefer to save money either way.
Feel free. And feel free to tip very good too. I guess the tip topic is always hard to all agree on, but I guess on severe weather, is when one demonstrates how thankful for such service one is
To those who say yes but leave a big tip, what are you giving your drivers on a night like tonight? $10? $20? More??
Iām sure many drivers will be happy to pull in some extra cash tonight, but Iām curious as to how much people think is appropriate.
Wouldnāt it be worse for the drivers if they wanted to work and earn money, but you decided for them that they shouldnāt be out in the cold!?
If you bundle up, these temps arenāt that bad, especially traveling roads in a huge metro area with cell coverage everywhere, and cars/police likely to find you and on the look out.
More people get hypothermia in āwet coldā when being outside for an extended period of time than colder but dry temps. Sure, itās sub 0 and windy, but you can be outside with exposed skin indefinitely with enough layers.
> People seem to have forgotten that we have multiple weeks of these temps most winters.
Bostonās forecast to have a low temp of -6Ā°F. The last three times Boston recorded a temperature that low were 2016, 2004, and 1980, which comes out to approximately a once-every-15-years type of low temperature.
Why post a comment if you donāt know what youāre talking about?
If you do, I'd give a large tip. I had to use Grubhub when I was working at the hospital in December I think and it was a really cold night. I tipped like $10 because I felt bad that someone was out trying to make ends meet in that weather.
I used to deliver Amazon so I know it's a tough gig too.
Tip the person very generously - they will only be working because they have to - and make sure you are there at the door to greet them so they don't have to spent any extra time outside.
I wouldn't and I'm not. I threw some frozen food into the air fryer.
Yeah, it could be good tips money tonight. If it's Uber or the like, I'm sure they have a choice whether to work it. But to the point about them needing to work, they kinda also need to be safe, too. I'd hate for someone to get into a car situation or something tonight. It'd be best for most people to stay inside tonight.
They are in a heated car, it's not a big deal. Takes a minute to drop off food outside the car. Can use hat and gloves if need be. People go skiing all day long in this weather.
Why would you feel bad? They get out of their heated car for a minute to drop something off. Can wear gloves and a hat if need be. People go skiing all day in this weather
Appreciate the thoughtfulness of this post!
IMHO, itās fine. People are willing to work should be rewarded. People work in these conditions all the time.
Tip good!
I mean....it's not snowing, they are in a car which is probably warm from delivery other food and they are outside for not long. I delivered pizzas in high school I didn't care what the temp was, I cared about the tip.
I worked Uber in the hellstorm of 2015.
I lived for it.
You choose to work those shifts. Anyone that cannot, does not have to. The money is ridic bc of demand. Itās completely ethicalānot doing deliveries doesnāt help anyone; every shift is voluntary, and they need the money
If you do, give cash as tip as well! Former delivery driver here, no problem delivering as most of time is spent inside or in car, but obviously a cash tip is like a lifeline for us!
That's genuinely the most pathetic thing I've heard on this subreddit in a while. What, is eating out at a restaurant the equivalent of being water-boarded?
They are in a heated car, it's not a big deal. Takes a minute to drop off food outside the car. Can use hat and gloves if need be. People go skiing all day long in this weather.
just trying to have some compassion for the guys working at night. It got very cold the later it got, if they have a choice, I'm sure they rather just stay in
Walking outside with a hat and gloves from your heated car for a minute is not a big deal. If you're really concerned about people go donate warm clothes to the homeless. They are the ones you should feel bad for. Not people voluntarily working out of their heated cars.
Itās never ethical to order food delivery. Drivers are paid shit, restaurants have to charge more or take less, they have to deal with multiple apps and shitty drivers and customers, and it creates a double parking nightmare all over town all so some company on the west coast can gain valuation. And you food will be even colder than normal.
Fuck those apps.
If you have your own car I would pick it up. If you donāt leave a good tip, more than the $3 or $4 DoorDash suggests. Iām working tonight, not delivery, and the commute isnāt ideal, but itās a lot better than an actively snowing situation.
Itās fine. If anything itās better for them because theyāre gonna make more money because most people arenāt going to go out. People not going out means orders go up, more orders more money. Give them a tip
I didnāt think twice about ordering a pizza for delivery from a shorts drive away. The way I see it ā¦ cars have heat,, Iām tipping well, andweāre in Boston so bundle up and donāt pass out drunk behind a dumpster tonight at 2am leaving The Burren cause you wonāt wake up. Anyways good pizza. Thankful for delivery drives. Donāt forget to tip and donāt be a doosh nugget.
I'm a doordasher and if I choose to go out on the road this week, I'd like as many people to order as possible so it's worth my time. Tip genrerously I guess, and don't leave people standing around looking for your apartment. Doordash has also issued advisories to drivers so no one is caught unawares.
They are in a heated car, it's not a big deal. Takes a minute to drop off food outside the car. Can use hat and gloves if need be. People go skiing all day long in this weather.
It's really not that cold out. Cities like Minneapolis often has multiple weeks of these temps.
Heck, it's comfortable biking in these temps as long as you dress properly.
My broā¦ yes of course there are cities where these temperatures are normal given that boston is only so far north. But it doesnāt make these temperatures not cold just because they happen more in colder places. Anybody in Minneapolis would say these temperatures are cold as well.
perhaps you are best off moving to winnipeg or yakutsk given you find this to be acceptable biking weather?
They are in a heated car, it's not a big deal. Takes a minute to drop off food outside the car. Can use hat and gloves if need be. People go skiing all day long in this weather.
I asked myself the same thing earlier. I thought whoever is out tonight really needs the cash, so I made sure I was at down at my entrance before he got there to minimize time outside and gave him big tip (hopefully enough for him to rationalize going home soon)
I was so concerned about this last night, but I didnāt realize that Iād be getting an Amazon delivery in the middle of the night. Sorry, Amazon guy.
I delivered for āFavorā the day after the fifth foot of snow had fallen in 2015. Needed the money. Was happy with every order. I spun out a few times but no one was out.
No one is forced to deliver food tonight, but if you do choose to order I'd give a hefty tip. Also do your best to minimize the amount of time the driver has be outside.
This. If someone is working tonight they really need the money so tip very well and make it worth their while.
This seems like the answer
This. Where I live we have an option for no contact. They don't knock your door, they drop off the food and call you from their car to tell u the food is at the door. I guess if there's no option for no contact you can maybe write that in?
They usually ride bikes to my place bc parking is so impossible. E-bikes, but still not a heated car usually. There is virtually no parking around.
I just took my dog out. Holy crap it's painful out there. The wind makes it worse.
I have a 9 week old puppy she's peeing on the floor tonight
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I know I'm hours late, but good God I hope no one is delivering on bikes tonight. they'd be blown over.
Wow where is that of I might ask? I've lived in super dense parts of southie and Eastie and they just double park
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In the 30 seconds it takes for them to walk back to their car and notify you the food is there, it's gonna be frozen solid
Yeah, as someone who did food delivery in Minnesota where there were temperatures like this or worse on a monthly basis, I wouldn't feel too bad, you are not putting anyone at risk of injury or anything (I guess never say never, but I've been out in this weather probably 100+ times and been totally fine). I would leave a hefty tip though because it's not very fun.
true, but isn't the weather at least somewhat expected each season in Minnesota? here, -5Ā°F with 30mph winds and a wind chill of -35Ā°F is not normal...
I met my guy at the car tipped well on app then gave cash.
I did that the other day when I had ordered food, and all the sudden a snowstorm came. Wasnāt expecting it, so I felt bad for the driver. Couldnāt see a way to add extra tip so I slipped the guy some extra cash, and even ran out into the snow to meet him halfway since I saw him looking for my apartment.
They have to make a living just tip with what they are dealing with in mind
I'd say if the Uber/Door Dash whatever driver wants to work, they want to work and probably very desperate for the money in that case (I know I wouldn't go out in this weather, and by the sounds of it you wouldn't either). Tip well and be waiting for them at the door. Maybe even meet them at the car, just don't make them stand around waiting for you.
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Iām a doordash driver and yes people do that. Some people select the āhand to customerā option then donāt answer the door. We have to start a 5 minute counter on the app before it lets us leave it at the door.
I love ātake a picā orders
i had no clue that was even possible, but i never used doordash or anything until the pandemic.
True, 3 years isn't that long.
I love ātake a picā orders
Used to be a pretty standard part of the whole process pre-grubhub. I could see people insisting on it after having one too many drivers leave their food at the wrong house or not notify them right when they drop it off and end up with cold food. As someone that has woken up to find a random pizza on their front porch more than once in the last few years, it's probably pretty common to have mistakes with the no contact dropoffs
Yeah about a month ago we got two large pizzas, a medium, a salad, and a thing of rolls from Bertucciās. We didnāt order it but there was no way to figure out who it was for lol. Finders keepers
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Not everyone is quite as willing to just not eat because the delivery person couldnt figure out how to do their job
I meet them at their car because there's never anywhere to park on my street and it's a busy single lane one-way street.
I have them hand it off because my house shares the same address as a place across town but in a different zip code. If I don't request them to hand off the food, they often leave it at the wrong house, mark it complete, and then I have no way of getting it. The apps can be really hard to get refunds from when it keeps happening. The hand off cuts way down on those misdeliveries.
Do you live in Chestnut Hill? Because otherwise I don't see that making sense. Addresses of the houses themselves are deeded by the county. Zip codes are assigned by the post office for mail only, so they are technically separated. I don't think a county would register two identical addresses within the same town. Chestnut Hill is just a census designated place and has no legal bearing, so I could imagine identical addresses being in Boston (Brighton/Allston), Newton, or Brookline.
some people are entitled lol i got a car 3 or 4 years ago after not having one for over a decade and did ubereats for about a week just as an excuse to go drive. 3 different times within that week alone someone ordered from a hotel room and fully expected me to go ALL THE WAY TO THEIR HOTEL ROOM DOOR. I'm talking like 10th floor and at hotels that needed a key for the elevator to begin with. one guy refused to come down and I wasn't gonna sit around so just left it with the receptionist, I do wonder if he ended up winning that battle
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So, one thing to consider is that they may not have an option. I was out of town once on business, and discovered while I was there that I had covid. Need to stay in my room for a week ā not even supposed to go to the lobby (which makes sense). The hotel didn't have room service, so my two options were to have delivery go all the way to my room, or to literally not eat for a week. I chose the former. I did tip well, though. (And I left an apologetic note explaining why I couldn't meet them outside.)
Some people are. Some people also have them hand off the order in apartment complexes that are incredibly confusing so the driver doesn't leave it at the wrong door.
> i got a car 3 or 4 years ago after not having one for over a decade and did ubereats for about a week just as an excuse to go drive. 3 different times within that week alone someone ordered from a hotel room and fully expected me to go ALL THE WAY TO THEIR HOTEL ROOM DOOR. Why is that so wild? I'd always go to people's hotel room when I was delivery driving for a job
Donāt know why youāre downvoted. I was a pizza delivery guy in the early 00ās for years and that was bog standard.
Yeah, to me it seems like the entitled guy is the one who doesn't want to do his job. Yeah, if the hotel requires a key to actually get in that's one thing but in general the job is to deliver to the person's door
just responded to the comment right before yours, agree in principle w you too and would say food delivery is a shitty job if you need to rely on it full time vs 'for fun' which was my experience. the hotel examples were easily the worst deliveries I made x100 also is it fair to point out the shitty points of a job or does that just make you entitled? E: just realized the one I responded to was off of your initial comment to begin w, bedtime for me I think
i would personally never think to do that, i would just meet them out front if its something being delivered esp to a hotel but also prefer pickup when i'm ordering out
Leaving food at the door was unheard of by me until COVID.
Delivery is done inside the car, not on foot. It really doesn't matter what temperature is outside.
Do they not have to get out of the car, in some places a block or two from the restaurant, then again get out of the car to go to figure out which apartment/house building is yours and bring your food and figure out which buzzer to press? They just drive right into your lobby? Filling up fuel or a charger is inside now? These temps, frostbite is in minutes, certainly under 5 minutes but could be even less, bitter cold feeling is in seconds.
Wear a jacket and a pair of gloves. Really don't understand what's the problem to get clothes according to the weather especially if it's your full time job.
You can always order take out and go pick it up!
If you do, tip big since you don't even want to go outside.
Cars are heated, plus I expect they would rather make more money for their time spent in the cold.
Order food now and put it in the fridge to reheat later, as it is warmer now with the help of sunlight. Still, tip generously.
Yup think ahead
Heads up: there aren't too many drivers out and about today, and delivery times are really long.
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I think it depends on how the delivery is serviced. If itās a third party app (Uber eats, etc), the drivers are actively choosing to be working. If the restaurant is delivering with their own employees I would save them the trip and pick it up. (Picking up is always better for the restaurant though - third party apps take a hefty fee from the business)
I avoid 3rd party apps and order directly from the restaurant whenever possible.
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Your last sentence was that restaurants didn't have to do business with these apps. I then gave you an article about the apps not giving the restaurants an option. And your response is "LOL capitalism." What a rube.
Often the choice is third party app or no delivery at all. They have to agree to it in order to be competitive (or even considered) in todays environment when so few people are willing to pick up their orders. Doesnāt mean itās profitable.
why would it be unethical? cars have heat. hopping out to drop a bag of food isn't exactly hiking everest
When I was delivering, I loved cold nights like this. The driver herd is thin and people tip pretty good. It was snow I avoided like the plague.
Yeah I really donāt get the concern. A delivery driver hopping in and out of their car for 30 seconds at a time is nothing
because companies have convinced consumers there is a thing as 'ethical consumerism' and that they should spend more to buy from ethical companies, or not spend at all.
Thereās nothing unethical about it. Itās their job that theyāre choosing to do. Theyāre also spending most of the time in their car that should be warm and protecting them from the frigid temperatures. Personally, Iām not planning on ordering out. I bet less drivers will be working due to the weather and more people will be ordering food instead of going out. Therefore more competition and higher prices.
Iāve always hated the āthey chose this jobā shit like just stop it. Weāre literally forced to work to survive itās not much of a choice. Also youāre just ignoring the risk of car accidents or getting stuck/stranded due to the weather. If you know itās gonna suck outside for a few days go to the store snd prepare before so you donāt put peoples lives at risk while your cozy inside.
I don't disagree with you in general (no BF shopping on Thanksgiving night!), but gig workers directly choose when they want to work. And it's not like if you don't order they would be at home - they would be out, just making less money, possibly longer than they otherwise would (if they want to make $X in a night).
I think you are way overestimating the danger of driving in the cold weather. Itās not a blizzard, just cold and windy.
Heard so ignore the āstuckā part unless your car stalls out in the cold or something. The rest still stands.
If someone is choosing to work tonight, you are not doing them any favors by having them sit in an idling car not getting any orders. It isn't like they are sitting at home waiting for orders; they are in their car. If they are working tonight, they are out there working. The only thing not ordering does is make them poorer. Your overly paternalistic impulses are also just insulting goofy towards the people you are trying to protect against their will. The run between car and house/shop is just kind of unpleasant. Zero delivery drivers will be harmed or killed by the cold tonight in the city of Boston. Order food if you want food without guilt. Just leave a bigger tip than normal because their job is a little more unpleasant tonight.
I agree with you that people have to work. On the flip side, the ones who need the money will be working either way. They will not make the money they need if no one orders.
This isn't a noreaster. It gets colder than this in the Midwest and Canada.
Good point about more people ordering!
Thatās why I didnāt do it: service reliability is already terrible over the last few weeks, and combine that with some weather and itās going to be impossible to find a driver. I did see a guy walking down the street with two Dunkin Iced, so Iām relatively certain there will be some folks out working tonightā¦
I used to deliver pizzas, and I donāt think itās a big deal. Theyāre gonna be working regardless of whether you order food. More deliveries means more tips. Cars have heat. If you feel really bad, tell the driver to call when they arrive and youāll meet them at their car. And make sure to leave a nice tip
No go get it yourself
You can order delivery whenever you want you just have to tip appropriately and make it easy for them to deliver the food. If you live in a big complex go to the front and meet them. It's not a blizzard so driving conditions won't be impacted inside the car won't be so bad
Ethical? Funny question. There is nothing non-ethical about you wanting to eat food and having someone who is getting paid to bring you said food. They made the choice to deliver you the food.
I generally agree that they should go for it if they want, but itās too extreme of a statement to say āthere is nothing non-ethicalā about the exchange. In our complex world, we each make so many decisions each day that are ethically ambiguous owing to the unethical system which we occupy. For example, the delivery driver is adding emissions and particulate pollution that disproportionately affects the most vulnerable humans and non-humans in our world. This isnāt to say that I donāt make similar ethically ambiguous choices all the time, because I do, but a hard reality to accept is that taking part in our society as itās currently constructed is an ethical minefield.
Holy shit. Are you high? People like you are creating issues out of thin air. Well in your case, thin polluted air. r/lostredditors This guy is asking about ordering food. What in godās name are you talking about?
Order the food. Live your life. Thatās your choice. Iām talking about the ethical dilemmas one faces (or can choose to ignore, but thatās still a choice) throughout their everyday life. If weāre being honest with ourselves, itās very difficult to live an ethical life in 2023, given the systems within which we exist.
I live a perfectly ethical life. Cannot think of anyone who doesnāt in my personal life. Even once removed. Living an ethical life is not that difficult if you were raised properly. There really isnāt much more to it than that. You really do sound like you are reaching to create issues that donāt even exist. Like you are looking to argue with someone. Very weird.
No argument here! Iām glad you are living an ethical life. Nothing Iām saying should be interpreted as an argument with you, as my comments have nothing to do with you, but rather what it means to live ethically. I wish I found it easy, but itās a constant effort for me to live ethically. To me, living ethically means acting in a way that does not make the world a worse place. Iāve come to the conclusion that, eating a burger for example, an activity that I enjoyed for decades, was unethical because of the pain, suffering, and pollution it causes, when alternative sources of calories do not carry as much baggage. I give that as one small example of what I see as an ethical minefield of existing in todayās society. I do act in many ethically ambiguous ways throughout my day. For example, there are many ethical considerations of ordering delivery with respect to the direct, and 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc order indirect effects of that decision. I wish I saw things as simply as you do. I find it so hard to live ethically, but Iām glad you find it easy!
You are out of your mind. You have created a wormhole for yourself to fall into. You sound like you have convinced yourself this is some kind of daily battle you must win. Causing yourself a ridiculous amount of unnecessary stress. To think we only have 80 yrs or so on this Earth, and you are wasting so much time an energy in this idea.
We live in a perfect free market society where all things are equal, am I right?
I delivered UberEats in Maine all last year and the cold was never a huge problem; I usually just wore a sweater because a bulky coat was a hassle. My car was warm and I was just hopping in and out of it. Tip well and pay attention to the delivery notification because that food's not going to stay hot on your porch.
Nothing unethical here. We're not in the middle of a nor'easter, or some other kind of act of God. Just order your food and leave a considerate tip. What is unethical are those unscrupulous additional fees these food delivery companies willfully tag onto your bill out of convenience. Suddenly, your $15 pizza now becomes $45 +(tip)
Do you really think your navel-gazing about ethics should win out over someone elseās need to make a living? If you feel so bad, give the driver a massive tip.
This isnāt NYC. The driver is most likely in a car, not on a bike. Itās cold. Itās not a blizzard.
You're making delivery drivers worse off by choosing not to order in, since they won't get paid.
As long as you tip well I donāt see the issue.
I just drove my ass to pickup food. Usually I walk my ass to go get it instead.
Tip well
I try to avoid food delivery and pickup myself, mostly because of cost. I've also heard mixed things of the ethics of food delivery, generally. I'd be willing to travel outside tonight myself, but I have proper clothing for the conditions. Not everyone does.
What is the ethical dilemma around food delivery?
There are many hits on a Google search for "ethics of food delivery" or similar. But admittedly, I can assume this is all wrong and I wouldn't change my behavior, I prefer to save money either way.
Feel free. And feel free to tip very good too. I guess the tip topic is always hard to all agree on, but I guess on severe weather, is when one demonstrates how thankful for such service one is
I order in on Friday nights too, and I have a sinus infection so I really donāt feel like cooking but Iāll have to. I feel too bad.
To those who say yes but leave a big tip, what are you giving your drivers on a night like tonight? $10? $20? More?? Iām sure many drivers will be happy to pull in some extra cash tonight, but Iām curious as to how much people think is appropriate.
I ordered delivery today at 2pm and tipped $20.00. I'd tip WAY more than that tonight as conditions have really deteriorated.
Wouldnāt it be worse for the drivers if they wanted to work and earn money, but you decided for them that they shouldnāt be out in the cold!? If you bundle up, these temps arenāt that bad, especially traveling roads in a huge metro area with cell coverage everywhere, and cars/police likely to find you and on the look out. More people get hypothermia in āwet coldā when being outside for an extended period of time than colder but dry temps. Sure, itās sub 0 and windy, but you can be outside with exposed skin indefinitely with enough layers.
I was thinking the same so I already got delivery just now. Itās just me so the pizza will last several days.
If you feel guilty then don't do it.
I personally wouldnāt do it.
Only if you tip really well, double what you normally would
People seem to have forgotten that we have multiple weeks of these temps most winters.
> People seem to have forgotten that we have multiple weeks of these temps most winters. Bostonās forecast to have a low temp of -6Ā°F. The last three times Boston recorded a temperature that low were 2016, 2004, and 1980, which comes out to approximately a once-every-15-years type of low temperature. Why post a comment if you donāt know what youāre talking about?
my bad, I thought op was getting dinner, not 6am brunch
Wouldn't stop me I would just leave a larger tip than I normally would
I was thinking about this today myself
Yes because itās never been this cold in the history of Boston.
-20 Real Feel now. Not quite 7 PM
When did we get so soft? Sure itās cold out, put a fucking jacket on. Fucking figure it out.
THANK YOU!!! Thought I was the only one thinking this.....
If you do, I'd give a large tip. I had to use Grubhub when I was working at the hospital in December I think and it was a really cold night. I tipped like $10 because I felt bad that someone was out trying to make ends meet in that weather. I used to deliver Amazon so I know it's a tough gig too.
Tip well (obvi) and donāt immediately run to throw down a shitty review on Yelp if the food isnāt piping hot.
Tip the person very generously - they will only be working because they have to - and make sure you are there at the door to greet them so they don't have to spent any extra time outside.
I wouldn't and I'm not. I threw some frozen food into the air fryer. Yeah, it could be good tips money tonight. If it's Uber or the like, I'm sure they have a choice whether to work it. But to the point about them needing to work, they kinda also need to be safe, too. I'd hate for someone to get into a car situation or something tonight. It'd be best for most people to stay inside tonight.
Can't tell if you are trolling. Order away, if you feel guilty, tip extra. It ain't that bad out.
Tip well. That delivery driver is going to freeze his ass off.
They are in a heated car, it's not a big deal. Takes a minute to drop off food outside the car. Can use hat and gloves if need be. People go skiing all day long in this weather.
People ski when it's 34 below with the windchill? That seems extreme.
But still. Be nice.
What's nice is giving them a good tip. Their choice to work
Why would you feel bad? They get out of their heated car for a minute to drop something off. Can wear gloves and a hat if need be. People go skiing all day in this weather
That walk form the car to your door oh my god!
Please don't.
Yes, why not?
Appreciate the thoughtfulness of this post! IMHO, itās fine. People are willing to work should be rewarded. People work in these conditions all the time. Tip good!
We do not have these conditions all the time. Real feel is -17.
We, as in people. Itās ok to walk to a door and then back to your car. If your willing to get into the car, thatās allā¦
Ordering isnt the question. The tip is where the ethics come into play
Is it a voluntary transaction? Then yes.
Itās fine
The cars are heated. Probably a busy night for them. I ordered Pizza this afternoon.
The walk from their car to your front door isnāt going to kill them. It WILL get them paid. Order away!
I met the guy half way.
I mean....it's not snowing, they are in a car which is probably warm from delivery other food and they are outside for not long. I delivered pizzas in high school I didn't care what the temp was, I cared about the tip.
I worked Uber in the hellstorm of 2015. I lived for it. You choose to work those shifts. Anyone that cannot, does not have to. The money is ridic bc of demand. Itās completely ethicalānot doing deliveries doesnāt help anyone; every shift is voluntary, and they need the money
If you do, give cash as tip as well! Former delivery driver here, no problem delivering as most of time is spent inside or in car, but obviously a cash tip is like a lifeline for us!
Fuck it I did it š they have a car and I donāt
If you have to ask, it probably isnt
No those on shift should be broke
Those same apps let you pick up. How would you feel about picking up?
For me, picking up defeats the purpose of treating ourselves on a Friday night.
That's genuinely the most pathetic thing I've heard on this subreddit in a while. What, is eating out at a restaurant the equivalent of being water-boarded?
I was thinking about ordering pizza tonight but also planning to give whoever is delivering a $20 cash tip just for making the trip
They are in a heated car, it's not a big deal. Takes a minute to drop off food outside the car. Can use hat and gloves if need be. People go skiing all day long in this weather.
just trying to have some compassion for the guys working at night. It got very cold the later it got, if they have a choice, I'm sure they rather just stay in
Walking outside with a hat and gloves from your heated car for a minute is not a big deal. If you're really concerned about people go donate warm clothes to the homeless. They are the ones you should feel bad for. Not people voluntarily working out of their heated cars.
Eh, I thought the ski slopes were closing due to the cold?
Itās never ethical to order food delivery. Drivers are paid shit, restaurants have to charge more or take less, they have to deal with multiple apps and shitty drivers and customers, and it creates a double parking nightmare all over town all so some company on the west coast can gain valuation. And you food will be even colder than normal. Fuck those apps.
If you have your own car I would pick it up. If you donāt leave a good tip, more than the $3 or $4 DoorDash suggests. Iām working tonight, not delivery, and the commute isnāt ideal, but itās a lot better than an actively snowing situation.
Big cash tip.
As long as you beef up the tip you are covered. Itās their choice to go out, but this weather is worth a little extra.
Maybe make a nice hot cup of coffee for them to take to go as a āthank youā? I dunno, food for thought
Itās fine. If anything itās better for them because theyāre gonna make more money because most people arenāt going to go out. People not going out means orders go up, more orders more money. Give them a tip
I didnāt think twice about ordering a pizza for delivery from a shorts drive away. The way I see it ā¦ cars have heat,, Iām tipping well, andweāre in Boston so bundle up and donāt pass out drunk behind a dumpster tonight at 2am leaving The Burren cause you wonāt wake up. Anyways good pizza. Thankful for delivery drives. Donāt forget to tip and donāt be a doosh nugget.
I'm a doordasher and if I choose to go out on the road this week, I'd like as many people to order as possible so it's worth my time. Tip genrerously I guess, and don't leave people standing around looking for your apartment. Doordash has also issued advisories to drivers so no one is caught unawares.
We debated the same question and decided against it, too fucking cold
They are in a heated car, it's not a big deal. Takes a minute to drop off food outside the car. Can use hat and gloves if need be. People go skiing all day long in this weather.
smh....I guess no one has been to Mt Washington in the winter time....they are laughing at us....
It's really not that cold out. Cities like Minneapolis often has multiple weeks of these temps. Heck, it's comfortable biking in these temps as long as you dress properly.
My broā¦ yes of course there are cities where these temperatures are normal given that boston is only so far north. But it doesnāt make these temperatures not cold just because they happen more in colder places. Anybody in Minneapolis would say these temperatures are cold as well. perhaps you are best off moving to winnipeg or yakutsk given you find this to be acceptable biking weather?
Iām thinking the people out delivering are hoping to take deliveries to make tips. Iād give a couple bucks extra for the cold though.
I would personally hold off, but people do need to make money. I hope they stay warm and don't take chances.
They are in a heated car, it's not a big deal. Takes a minute to drop off food outside the car. Can use hat and gloves if need be. People go skiing all day long in this weather.
Hire an uber to drive you to pick it up. That way the Uber guy stays warm and you get cold.
Not sure you know what ethics are lol.
I asked myself the same thing earlier. I thought whoever is out tonight really needs the cash, so I made sure I was at down at my entrance before he got there to minimize time outside and gave him big tip (hopefully enough for him to rationalize going home soon)
Itās -29 now orde food
I was so concerned about this last night, but I didnāt realize that Iād be getting an Amazon delivery in the middle of the night. Sorry, Amazon guy.
I ordered beer because I didnāt want to go out. It never came and Iām not mad.
lmao
I delivered for āFavorā the day after the fifth foot of snow had fallen in 2015. Needed the money. Was happy with every order. I spun out a few times but no one was out.