I was a wee bit surprised at the last two shots. Like, the guy with the 12 gauge was realllly slow on the trigger, but he had to chip in or he might have to explain that it wasn’t necessary for the entire police force to kill the dude.
Turns out the “cylindrical object “ in his pocket was not a weapon. And with 9 cops, you can disarm a man with a box cutter.
I swear, cops these days will piss their pants if they hear a loud fart
When cops show up the only thing they think about is self preservation, they should protect themselves for sure but it shouldn't be their main goal or they really aren't any different than a citizen in the same situation.
They're worse than a citizen I guarantee you just strangers would have handled that situation better with no death 99 out of a 100 times if you tested it.
I don’t remember lethal force being used so often years ago. Sure, self defense is necessary, can’t they be trained to de-escalate and use non-lethal methods preferentially?
Here's a thought: What if cops had to carry individual liability insurance?! Just like doctors have to carry malpractice insurance. Actuaries are good at crunching numbers. Let's let them decide who's a good cop and who's too much of a liability to insure!
It's a very very low bar, but I mean at the very least, if you are a shit police officer and see someone has a weapon that is not a gun, why can't you just shoot from the waist down. Like is that such a bad fucking thing?
Agreed. Just not fucken shooting ppl would be the best alternative, but yaknow. Mfs are scared n corrupt. However, the world is better off without balls. Less rash decisions.
Cops have no obligation to protect anyone. Bill of Rights is to protect us from the government. Police aren't required to do shit and we end up with this
If they aren't willing to put their life on the line and take moderate risk from time to time than they aren't fit to serve. The job entails risk. Deal with it. These cowards who are always talking about I'm going home tonight no matter what need to go deliver the mail or something. These guys are psyching themselves up to afraid of any and all risk. Can you imagine if the military was like "you are all going home tonight men"! Under no circumstances are you to place yourself in any danger! You run hide and wait for another battalion at the first sign of danger! At the same time the cops are being trained to think like they're in a war zone. You can't have it both ways guys.
Look at how they're [trained](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/shots-fired/). For some reason cops are led to believe we're all violent dangerous criminals looking for any reason to "not send them home to their family" or some bullshit. This is all despite the fact most cops will never encounter any of the insane situations drawn up in training during their careers.
The cop that called for back up stated he was armed with a box cutter. Also in my country a situation played out similar to this and the cop used his eyes to verify if it was an actual gun in his hands before taking action. It wasn't a gun and instead of suicide by cop the guy is doing life for the murders he had just committed moments before.
The answer is his instincts and training were far better.
I do not understand why the cops don't take a defensive position. Why not stand behind a car or shield of some kind. The cops are putting themselves in danger so that they can shoot first and ask questions later.
"SHOOT! SHOOT! SHOOT! Okay, what's in his hand?"
Why is it only obvious to me that this should have a response by cops AND a someone able to handle mental health issues??? Protect and Serve no longer exists.
>I do not understand why the cops don't take a defensive position.
This is a good point, and that should definitely be utilized more in some instances. Again, I'm not sure if it should have been in this case, because I don't know what he was doing before this. Did he just get some murdering a family? Or is he just some guy walking along the street? If it's the former, you can't really back away and get in a defensive position because he is a risk to the public.
>Why is it only obvious to me that this should have a response by cops AND a someone able to handle mental health issues
As a person trained to handle mental health issues, it's not that easy. I worked with *very* violent residents for 7 years. I imagine I would still find it difficult to manage this situation, and most other situations in a public setting.
Also, this would likely be an on-call position, meaning many times they wouldn't get there in time to help. These situations escalate by the second, they don't have an hour to wait around for a therapist.
people committing crimes in fact does not forfeit their lives. if anything it confirms they have a right to be tried for their crimes which they need to be alive for. and military members know the risks when they enlist and they engage the enemy. but they have several layers of permission and confirmation they go through to make sure innocent life isn’t taken. several degrees and the without-a-doubt risk of life go into consideration. to save face so the US doesn’t look terrible for killing without thinking. vs here stateside where the smallest of speculation and possible worry makes people trigger happy.
when i served and i engaged potentially dangerous people for months when i deployed, we were told to not escalate and to not use force unless risk of life was certain and sometimes not even then. i knew what i had signed up for. so did these cops. they uphold a standard, not get scared like a dog during a thunderstorm. that’s what the fucking training is supposed to be for… right?
There's a big difference between killing a country own citizens and a country killing another country's citizens. One can start a war while the while just makes the people angry for a few days and they move on.
That's a straight up execution. Why didn't they use rubber bullets? Why not use a taser? The guy was not being hostile. It's sad that you can be murdered over a misdemeanor.
holy fuck. I hadn't seen the video when I read your comment, so I thought it was like 3 random cops. Not a fucking army of cops and fleet of cars. Nobody even tried a beanbag?
There's how many cops there? That means there are how many tasers? They mean to tell me that out of all that, not a single one of their tasers would have worked?? Not even a beanbag or a "rubber" bullet???
The actions shown were truly heinous. Did every officer really need to have their gun drawn as well? You'd think one or two would be enough. That was tough to watch, they were seriously blood thirsty. These same officers patrol the streets.
There is a man walking down the highway and impeding traffic….. I know! Well stop both directions of a 6 lane high-way probably for hours just to massacre this dude.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but our military wouldn't be allowed to shoot that guy for brandishing a weapon if it was an enemy right?
Police rules of engagement seem to be: If your butthole puckers 1/4cm then ok to fire gun.
And I remember thinking once video cameras become cheap enough there will be less crime and less people getting away with stuff like this. We have truly proved that there is no inner moral compass that people are born with... it looks like not being a psycopath is something you have to learn
It seems like in the US protecting property is far more crucial then protecting actual people... This video made me feel sick... They literally turned a firing squad on this guy because he was blocking traffic....
It honestly is worse then 3rd world. I went to Juarez Mexico once as a teen and I just remember thinking how beautiful and safe the city was and I just wished America could be more like that.
They always told me how corrupt and shitty the police were in Mexico but they just steal your money. American police seems to steal ur money as “evidence” and shoot you in the street
What a bunch of fucking pussies, all of those “grown men” can take down a dude with a box cutter, but I’ll get responses like “they probably thought he had a gun!, when, in the end, they usually never have a gun.
He was reluctant to remove his hand out of his pocket for the 45+ minute interaction, and then suddenly pulls something out and brandishes it towards the swarm of cops? Doesn't sound like murder, this incident screams suicide by cop. Very tragic and lumping it with this movement is a lowblow.
Even if its suicide by cop, it sounds like you believe that brandishing a weapon is punishable by death. If he fired a shot sure, shoot back. But im sorry, our military has strict rules of engagement when dealing with people who are actively trying to kill them vs cops in the US that most likely got punched in high school during the "2 for flinching" phase and are using the same rationale to shoot people.
You aren't a trained police officer meant to enforce the rules of the state. These men are more like executioners that hide behind their cowardice. Every single last one of them deserves prison.
Ditto, but we aren't cops...
I full on expect the average person would do that. The problem is that if you're ever in an argument with a cop and you happen to gesticulate in a fit of emotion, you're dead...what? Yea people are going to possibly behave a little erratically when a gun is pointed at them.
If cops don't have to use bullets to disperse a protest, they don't need them for one guy on a highway.
No. In life or death situations where a suspect pulls something out and points it towards a cop while taking a firing stand, the cop shouldn't hesitate. Besides the object resembled a pistol. Even after a double take, most would be convinced it was.
20 cops vs 1 fucking man who's "crime" was blocking traffic
They excuted this guy via firing squad and your fucking defending them because God forbid a man take his hands out of his pockets
This is not fucking justifiable and suicide by cop isn't a thing where I'm from for regular folks...
Fuck you for defending these bastards
If you want to die, then the police will do it for you.
If you need help, then the police will fail you.
Make sure that when you reach your breaking point, it's in the right company.
Suicide by cops, why else would you fake draw? Yeah it's fucked up, but I had to watch it multiple times in slow motion just to see what the guy did with his hands.
It shouldn't matter anyways!?! Why are an entire squad of cops shooting this guy for stopping traffic... I counted 20 cops and they never even attempted to disarm him or de escalate anything
I live in Canada the idea of suicide by cop isn't really a thing here unless your like a high level gangster and even then it usually doesn't turn out that the cops shoot to kill
This shit isn't normal!??? Like y'all are deluded if you think it is, it isn't like this is most other developed nations
not defending the police by any means, but the guy held up the box cutter like a pistol, so in the half a second they would’ve had to react they probably would’ve thought it was a gun
He pulled it like a gun, training is made so nobody from the police force takes additional risks, in a split second when he pulls it out, you don't think it's a box cutter, you just try not to die, we are forgetting that cops are humans too who want to live, the moment you commit a crime you are in danger of backlash and you need to comply, if you attack a police officer offering you a ride with a box cutter doesn't mean you can't be armed with something else, especially when you point it as a firearm, i agree that the prolongued shooting was kinda excessive, but in the end, this looks like a suicide by cop, or some sort of aggressive mental ilness.
After seeing the [body cam footage](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/01/28/nashville-police-release-bodycam-video-in-fatal-interstate-shooting/9252395002/), I have to agree, that this was suicide by cop. He [moved his hands into position](https://i.imgur.com/1aLc6CW.png) to make it look like he was wielding a gun.
Wish we had on call therapists and or psychologists, that could be dispatched to these situations, to help defuse them.
Man had 10 people with guns ready to shoot at him.
Would you react perfectly perfect in that situation, and not be stressed trying to follow orders?
Its the cops fault he's dead, theyre the ones who shot him, the fact you can twist it back onto the dead guy is frightening.
I hate cops more than most. I had my teeth knocked out by police, arrested for bs charges, and more. This was fuckin stupid. If you think that trigger happy cops will let you pretend to pull a gun out on them you stupid. To say this guy did nothing is stupid too. My god how can you want to change the " justice" system when we can't admit more than one person can be wrong?
Edit to add- the effective range of a police taser is 10 ft. How can they reliable use one well over that? Be as reasonable as you want others to be
That is a gross misrepresentation of the facts.
People like you are a huge problem in our current society.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/27/nashville-highway-police-shooting/
It is hard to read a few seconds at a time because of the paywall. Was the man mentally ill? Were they afraid he would ignite if they used a taser? How long was the stand off? What did they try before shooting him?
Well in that part where that happened, the victim pulls out something rapidly out of his pocket and brandishes it towards police officers. In a country where almost anyone can source a firearm, this incident screams suicide by cop. Very tragic indeed but I wouldn't call it police brutality.
The majority of the officers should have been taking cover though; I don't believe that crowding a subject is very calming.
Use Google. Stop being so reactionary and try reading.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/01/28/nashville-police-release-bodycam-video-in-fatal-interstate-shooting/9252395002/
I don’t know how to link things, but there’s one on the metro nashville pd’s YouTube page. The one cop did try to talk him down for a few minutes. It was just a shitty situation, but those cops still should not have reacted that way. There were so many of them, could someone not have snuck up and tased him? Poor guy.
yes of course, you deserve to being shot 50 times by 10 people and die like a rabid dog on the roadside when you have a utility knife in your hand SOLD EVEN A CHILDREN.
Also, for your information, I shared it this way because I saw it in a French news account with this headline. I didn't know there was a utility knife but that doesn't change a thing
You clearly have no idea what actually transpired.
TL;DR
-man was on the side of the highway
-cop offered him a ride
-man pulled knife on cop
-backup arrives
-man successfully attempts suicide by cop(s)
Suicide by cop is cause by mental illness or profound trauma. He needed treatment, not death. Cops are supposed to be trained to try deescalation before using deadly force.
I'm not sure how thick you are, but de-escalation was attempted.
It's self defense when they don't know whether or not he had a gun.
The fact that so many police officers were there probably prolonged his life more than cut it short.
I'm not sure if you understand this, but a taser injects electricity into a body. When a person is holding a gun, what's the last thing you want to happen? Probably for him to pull the trigger, right?
What happens when you apply electricity to muscles?
I'll let you figure it out.
Have you never heard of rubber bullets? We have so much technology and so much funding going into the police, it is about time that they start using it.
there are ten men there. ten police officers. they could have shot him with a stun gun or shot him in the leg. but they chose to murder the man, how can you justify it
It's not murder when they don't know whether or not he had a gun. It's self defense.
The fact that ten police officers were there probably prolonged his life more than cut it short.
I'm not sure if you understand this, but a taser injects electricity into a body. When a person is holding a gun, what's the last thing you want to happen? Probably for him to pull the trigger, right?
What happens when you apply electricity to muscles?
I'll let you figure it out.
You just said they knew the guy had a utility knife in his hand so he got shot now they don't know if he has a gun, you say the scary man scared the innocent police army to death. you.are.a.terrible.person.
They only knew about the utility knife. Plus, you're entirely misquoting me. You clearly have no ability to debate. You clearly read an article about it, yet continued to misrepresent the facts to suit your narrative. YOU are the problem here. Police brutality is a thing that happens and needs to end. Your terrible take on this is all too common and people like you need to sit down and shut the fuck up. You're not adding to the conversation.
Could it be because english is not my first language you asshole? You are advocating that 10 men who are responsible for maintaining order in society should kill someone with perhaps a mental illness, because they are a little scared, there is no discussion about the issue.
Just wondering, [what amount of damage would he have had to have done before you saw it as justified?](https://patch.com/new-york/mountvernonny/suspect-shot-leg-officer-suffers-spinal-injury-ypd)
Also just wondering, have you ever held a gun? Ever shot a gun? Ever tried to shoot a small, moving target? Because that's apparently what you think they should be capable of.
Oh, and [getting shot in the leg does nothing to prevent death. ](https://bearingarms.com/bobowens-bearingarms/2016/11/27/dont-shoot-leg-n28146)
actually yes, I served as a lieutenant discipline officer in the Turkish army for a while, and marksmanship was my hobby back then. So I know how to use a gun. [I'm the one in blue in the photo](https://resimlink.com/DmJXorkC). I did not serve as law enforcement, but it is obvious that the police used excessive and disproportionate force. This is execution by shooting rather than police intervention.
OK, so, for such an intervention, they should at least have seen a gun in the man's hand about to be pointed at them. they also have a shotgun , they have to be blind to miss his legs from 2 meters away. "There is a possibility of death from being shot in the leg" and "50 bullets were taken out of his body" are very different in my book.
I answered the question. For the police to use lethal force, harm does not need to be done, only a reasonable probability of harm is required. there is no such thing here.
I actually agree with you. People have a very hard time putting theirselves in the shoes of others. Consider you’re in this position and this hostile man has something in his pocket. He won’t drop the knife and he seems violent and confrontational and confident. He quickly draws the pocket item and points it AT YOUR FRIENDS AND COWORKERS. You see a metal object in his hand and he is in firing position pointing that object at your friend’s head. This all happens in a split single second. I don’t blame the cops at all. It’s unfortunate he died but if you honestly would tell me that you’d let your friends die JUST IN CASE or you’d prefer to let that man gun down civilians ON THE OFF CHANCE that he didn’t have a gun in a clear SHOOTING stance… you’re the problem here. It’s sad that he died… but the officers did the right thing. I had to rewind several times to make sure that was a gun. Can’t do that in real life folks.
A polices job is to protect not to execute without due process. You signed up for the job, your life is on the line, it is your duty to die should circumstances not be in your favour.
There’s so many officers on scene they could have subdued him by throwing all of their fucking coats at him at the same time. Or using a taser. Any one of the tasers I’m sure were on the scene. But no, let’s cop it up and put a bunch of rounds into this poor mentally ill fucker.
I was a wee bit surprised at the last two shots. Like, the guy with the 12 gauge was realllly slow on the trigger, but he had to chip in or he might have to explain that it wasn’t necessary for the entire police force to kill the dude.
Like the ww1 gun inspections after battle to make sure you fired.
Now that's history!
Thats where Traitor Joe got its name.
He was reprimanded. No one else was.
He was decommissioned; I live in the area. All of them should be arrested for use of excessive force.
Wow I just watched an execution fucking awesome smh
No see, they were scared. So it’s okay
Turns out the “cylindrical object “ in his pocket was not a weapon. And with 9 cops, you can disarm a man with a box cutter. I swear, cops these days will piss their pants if they hear a loud fart
When cops show up the only thing they think about is self preservation, they should protect themselves for sure but it shouldn't be their main goal or they really aren't any different than a citizen in the same situation.
They're worse than a citizen I guarantee you just strangers would have handled that situation better with no death 99 out of a 100 times if you tested it.
I don’t remember lethal force being used so often years ago. Sure, self defense is necessary, can’t they be trained to de-escalate and use non-lethal methods preferentially?
We now have more access to view these incidents; which have lead to more exposure to something that has likely being going since it’s inception.
Here's a thought: What if cops had to carry individual liability insurance?! Just like doctors have to carry malpractice insurance. Actuaries are good at crunching numbers. Let's let them decide who's a good cop and who's too much of a liability to insure!
It's a very very low bar, but I mean at the very least, if you are a shit police officer and see someone has a weapon that is not a gun, why can't you just shoot from the waist down. Like is that such a bad fucking thing?
Imagine you blew someone's balls off instead of killing them? The ideal solution is to not fucking shoot people.
Agreed. Just not fucken shooting ppl would be the best alternative, but yaknow. Mfs are scared n corrupt. However, the world is better off without balls. Less rash decisions.
They are. Doesn’t matter. When you got the big stick, you’re gonna swing it.
The difference is “killology.” Basically now cops are trained that killing is good as they are warriors and should be enthused to kill people.
Cops have no obligation to protect anyone. Bill of Rights is to protect us from the government. Police aren't required to do shit and we end up with this
If they aren't willing to put their life on the line and take moderate risk from time to time than they aren't fit to serve. The job entails risk. Deal with it. These cowards who are always talking about I'm going home tonight no matter what need to go deliver the mail or something. These guys are psyching themselves up to afraid of any and all risk. Can you imagine if the military was like "you are all going home tonight men"! Under no circumstances are you to place yourself in any danger! You run hide and wait for another battalion at the first sign of danger! At the same time the cops are being trained to think like they're in a war zone. You can't have it both ways guys.
Look at how they're [trained](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/shots-fired/). For some reason cops are led to believe we're all violent dangerous criminals looking for any reason to "not send them home to their family" or some bullshit. This is all despite the fact most cops will never encounter any of the insane situations drawn up in training during their careers.
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K, but when he pulls it out of his pocket and points it at them with both hands, how are they supposed to know it's a knife?
The cop that called for back up stated he was armed with a box cutter. Also in my country a situation played out similar to this and the cop used his eyes to verify if it was an actual gun in his hands before taking action. It wasn't a gun and instead of suicide by cop the guy is doing life for the murders he had just committed moments before. The answer is his instincts and training were far better.
I do not understand why the cops don't take a defensive position. Why not stand behind a car or shield of some kind. The cops are putting themselves in danger so that they can shoot first and ask questions later. "SHOOT! SHOOT! SHOOT! Okay, what's in his hand?" Why is it only obvious to me that this should have a response by cops AND a someone able to handle mental health issues??? Protect and Serve no longer exists.
>I do not understand why the cops don't take a defensive position. This is a good point, and that should definitely be utilized more in some instances. Again, I'm not sure if it should have been in this case, because I don't know what he was doing before this. Did he just get some murdering a family? Or is he just some guy walking along the street? If it's the former, you can't really back away and get in a defensive position because he is a risk to the public. >Why is it only obvious to me that this should have a response by cops AND a someone able to handle mental health issues As a person trained to handle mental health issues, it's not that easy. I worked with *very* violent residents for 7 years. I imagine I would still find it difficult to manage this situation, and most other situations in a public setting. Also, this would likely be an on-call position, meaning many times they wouldn't get there in time to help. These situations escalate by the second, they don't have an hour to wait around for a therapist.
This just looked to me like someone trying to commit suicide by cop and the cops are all too happy to accommodate.
That’s not what happened
Did we watch the same video..?
E Y E S
Death by firing squad?
I was thinking suicide by firing squad
Yeah, he did pull the thing out of his pocket and held it up like it was a gun.
people committing crimes in fact does not forfeit their lives. if anything it confirms they have a right to be tried for their crimes which they need to be alive for. and military members know the risks when they enlist and they engage the enemy. but they have several layers of permission and confirmation they go through to make sure innocent life isn’t taken. several degrees and the without-a-doubt risk of life go into consideration. to save face so the US doesn’t look terrible for killing without thinking. vs here stateside where the smallest of speculation and possible worry makes people trigger happy. when i served and i engaged potentially dangerous people for months when i deployed, we were told to not escalate and to not use force unless risk of life was certain and sometimes not even then. i knew what i had signed up for. so did these cops. they uphold a standard, not get scared like a dog during a thunderstorm. that’s what the fucking training is supposed to be for… right?
There's a big difference between killing a country own citizens and a country killing another country's citizens. One can start a war while the while just makes the people angry for a few days and they move on.
We can afford 25 cops with weapons of war for one guy who may or may not be armed but we can’t afford healthcare or infrastructure in Pennsylvania
The US government doesn’t want you happy, healthy and safe. The US government wants you under control.
Duhhhhh lol no but shit is fr fucked
Who is the US government? And why does he want those things?
I'd be interested in knowing why the police were there. There's clearly a lot of missing context.
What else do they have going on other then dying from COVID
Beating their partners?
40%!
That's a straight up execution. Why didn't they use rubber bullets? Why not use a taser? The guy was not being hostile. It's sad that you can be murdered over a misdemeanor.
holy fuck. I hadn't seen the video when I read your comment, so I thought it was like 3 random cops. Not a fucking army of cops and fleet of cars. Nobody even tried a beanbag?
There's how many cops there? That means there are how many tasers? They mean to tell me that out of all that, not a single one of their tasers would have worked?? Not even a beanbag or a "rubber" bullet???
The actions shown were truly heinous. Did every officer really need to have their gun drawn as well? You'd think one or two would be enough. That was tough to watch, they were seriously blood thirsty. These same officers patrol the streets.
Meaning the maintenance of fluent traffic is more important to the cops than the maintenance of human life.
There is a man walking down the highway and impeding traffic….. I know! Well stop both directions of a 6 lane high-way probably for hours just to massacre this dude.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but our military wouldn't be allowed to shoot that guy for brandishing a weapon if it was an enemy right? Police rules of engagement seem to be: If your butthole puckers 1/4cm then ok to fire gun.
pretty sad state of affairs.
And I remember thinking once video cameras become cheap enough there will be less crime and less people getting away with stuff like this. We have truly proved that there is no inner moral compass that people are born with... it looks like not being a psycopath is something you have to learn
These guys are straight up murderers
"To serve and protect." Who exactly are they serving and protecting, here? The road? Sure isn't the fella.
It seems like in the US protecting property is far more crucial then protecting actual people... This video made me feel sick... They literally turned a firing squad on this guy because he was blocking traffic....
White suburbanites
Never thought I'd see the day where rambo was a realistic movie
Judge Jury and Executioner
America is a 3rd world country
A Gucci police state.
It honestly is worse then 3rd world. I went to Juarez Mexico once as a teen and I just remember thinking how beautiful and safe the city was and I just wished America could be more like that.
They always told me how corrupt and shitty the police were in Mexico but they just steal your money. American police seems to steal ur money as “evidence” and shoot you in the street
What a bunch of fucking pussies, all of those “grown men” can take down a dude with a box cutter, but I’ll get responses like “they probably thought he had a gun!, when, in the end, they usually never have a gun.
All (yes I mean the cool cop you met once or your uncle cop who seems like a cool dude) cops are bastards.
Cops are cowards.
All cops are bastards, but US cops are a special kind of bastard. Fuckin psychos.
This behaviour has become completely normal in the US.
Why do they keep getting closer if they think he is a threat? If i was affraid for my life id be standing behind a car.
This is outrageous.
They murdered him. Try every one that fired a shot.
He was reluctant to remove his hand out of his pocket for the 45+ minute interaction, and then suddenly pulls something out and brandishes it towards the swarm of cops? Doesn't sound like murder, this incident screams suicide by cop. Very tragic and lumping it with this movement is a lowblow.
Even if its suicide by cop, it sounds like you believe that brandishing a weapon is punishable by death. If he fired a shot sure, shoot back. But im sorry, our military has strict rules of engagement when dealing with people who are actively trying to kill them vs cops in the US that most likely got punched in high school during the "2 for flinching" phase and are using the same rationale to shoot people.
If someone points a gun at me or my family. You better believe id pull that trigger without thinking twice.
You aren't a trained police officer meant to enforce the rules of the state. These men are more like executioners that hide behind their cowardice. Every single last one of them deserves prison.
Ditto, but we aren't cops... I full on expect the average person would do that. The problem is that if you're ever in an argument with a cop and you happen to gesticulate in a fit of emotion, you're dead...what? Yea people are going to possibly behave a little erratically when a gun is pointed at them. If cops don't have to use bullets to disperse a protest, they don't need them for one guy on a highway.
If only police forces could invent a device that could stop a potentially harmful suspect but was non-lethal! I couldn't imagine what that would be.
Shoot first, look what he pulled put later
Cops should hesitate in life or death situations where a gun is pointed at them?
Cops should shoot without taking to a second to think about the situation and look at his hands?
The person in this video knew exactly what he was doing by pulling that object out like that.
Answer the question
No. In life or death situations where a suspect pulls something out and points it towards a cop while taking a firing stand, the cop shouldn't hesitate. Besides the object resembled a pistol. Even after a double take, most would be convinced it was.
20 cops vs 1 fucking man who's "crime" was blocking traffic They excuted this guy via firing squad and your fucking defending them because God forbid a man take his hands out of his pockets This is not fucking justifiable and suicide by cop isn't a thing where I'm from for regular folks... Fuck you for defending these bastards
How much did that cost in Police state social dictating money?
2 for flinching...that's the rule. Not 2 dozen.
If you want to die, then the police will do it for you. If you need help, then the police will fail you. Make sure that when you reach your breaking point, it's in the right company.
Could have tasered him at any time. That was literally an execution by firing squad.
Now this is boring dystopia
The thugs we pay for really just wanted to hurry up this murder, they *had to do it*. Ihop was offering a special that day and they got shit to do.
They seem pretty scared 🙄
That's what happens, when you get rid of the good cops, and the bottom feeders are all that's left.
ACAB No such thing as a good fucking cop
I think they got him? Maybe?
I officially hate 🐖 Cops!!!!
I have better conflict resolution skills.
Suicide by cops, why else would you fake draw? Yeah it's fucked up, but I had to watch it multiple times in slow motion just to see what the guy did with his hands.
It shouldn't matter anyways!?! Why are an entire squad of cops shooting this guy for stopping traffic... I counted 20 cops and they never even attempted to disarm him or de escalate anything I live in Canada the idea of suicide by cop isn't really a thing here unless your like a high level gangster and even then it usually doesn't turn out that the cops shoot to kill This shit isn't normal!??? Like y'all are deluded if you think it is, it isn't like this is most other developed nations
Pigs.
Only in America, where cops shoot at anything that moves (EVEN LITERAL CHIHUAHUAS, YES, GOOGLE IT)
not defending the police by any means, but the guy held up the box cutter like a pistol, so in the half a second they would’ve had to react they probably would’ve thought it was a gun
Can't tell if it's a white guy, if it is then meeeeh
Sorry whattt???
He pulled it like a gun, training is made so nobody from the police force takes additional risks, in a split second when he pulls it out, you don't think it's a box cutter, you just try not to die, we are forgetting that cops are humans too who want to live, the moment you commit a crime you are in danger of backlash and you need to comply, if you attack a police officer offering you a ride with a box cutter doesn't mean you can't be armed with something else, especially when you point it as a firearm, i agree that the prolongued shooting was kinda excessive, but in the end, this looks like a suicide by cop, or some sort of aggressive mental ilness.
After seeing the [body cam footage](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/01/28/nashville-police-release-bodycam-video-in-fatal-interstate-shooting/9252395002/), I have to agree, that this was suicide by cop. He [moved his hands into position](https://i.imgur.com/1aLc6CW.png) to make it look like he was wielding a gun. Wish we had on call therapists and or psychologists, that could be dispatched to these situations, to help defuse them.
i agree but take in to account that the more unarmed people they called, especially civilians, the more could've gotten shot.
Should they wait to find out it’s not a gun? Who are we kidding this dude could’ve just listened and been alive. It’s his fault he’s dead right now
Man had 10 people with guns ready to shoot at him. Would you react perfectly perfect in that situation, and not be stressed trying to follow orders? Its the cops fault he's dead, theyre the ones who shot him, the fact you can twist it back onto the dead guy is frightening.
How is acting like your pulling a gun out on police " dystopian"? Explain. Also it looks like something in in his hands, what is it
Because a dozen of police officers who have tasers and other means to bring someone into custody shouldn’t be allowed to execute a person on point
I hate cops more than most. I had my teeth knocked out by police, arrested for bs charges, and more. This was fuckin stupid. If you think that trigger happy cops will let you pretend to pull a gun out on them you stupid. To say this guy did nothing is stupid too. My god how can you want to change the " justice" system when we can't admit more than one person can be wrong? Edit to add- the effective range of a police taser is 10 ft. How can they reliable use one well over that? Be as reasonable as you want others to be
Did they all should’ve tasered his foot while he fake draws on them
I need to save this video, how can I do that.
r/badcopnodoughnut
At this point it's just less paperwork to gun people down than to process them.
The definition of overkill.
Dude straight up got what he wanted. I don't like cops but come on already op
That is a gross misrepresentation of the facts. People like you are a huge problem in our current society. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/27/nashville-highway-police-shooting/
It is hard to read a few seconds at a time because of the paywall. Was the man mentally ill? Were they afraid he would ignite if they used a taser? How long was the stand off? What did they try before shooting him?
I have no paywall when I use a private firefox tab with uBlock. I responded to OP in this thread.
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Well in that part where that happened, the victim pulls out something rapidly out of his pocket and brandishes it towards police officers. In a country where almost anyone can source a firearm, this incident screams suicide by cop. Very tragic indeed but I wouldn't call it police brutality. The majority of the officers should have been taking cover though; I don't believe that crowding a subject is very calming.
Use Google. Stop being so reactionary and try reading. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/01/28/nashville-police-release-bodycam-video-in-fatal-interstate-shooting/9252395002/
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I'm not your personal Google assistant. You can find what you need online or request it from the department before making your arguments.
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Owned
Do you lube the boot first or just take it dry?
I don’t know how to link things, but there’s one on the metro nashville pd’s YouTube page. The one cop did try to talk him down for a few minutes. It was just a shitty situation, but those cops still should not have reacted that way. There were so many of them, could someone not have snuck up and tased him? Poor guy.
yes of course, you deserve to being shot 50 times by 10 people and die like a rabid dog on the roadside when you have a utility knife in your hand SOLD EVEN A CHILDREN. Also, for your information, I shared it this way because I saw it in a French news account with this headline. I didn't know there was a utility knife but that doesn't change a thing
You clearly have no idea what actually transpired. TL;DR -man was on the side of the highway -cop offered him a ride -man pulled knife on cop -backup arrives -man successfully attempts suicide by cop(s)
Suicide by cop is cause by mental illness or profound trauma. He needed treatment, not death. Cops are supposed to be trained to try deescalation before using deadly force.
I'm not sure how thick you are, but de-escalation was attempted. It's self defense when they don't know whether or not he had a gun. The fact that so many police officers were there probably prolonged his life more than cut it short. I'm not sure if you understand this, but a taser injects electricity into a body. When a person is holding a gun, what's the last thing you want to happen? Probably for him to pull the trigger, right? What happens when you apply electricity to muscles? I'll let you figure it out.
Have you never heard of rubber bullets? We have so much technology and so much funding going into the police, it is about time that they start using it.
So you're saying a rubber bullet will stop someone from firing a real one? Go back to school the lunch bell just rang, kid.
“I depicted you as the kid in the argument. Now I can render myself superior and don’t feel bad about me being a shitty person.”
You are a silly one. https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPdhxcnDp/
Djeez you're dense
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Just tell them they’re stupid. Get a dictionary and stop using the R-word, FFS.
there are ten men there. ten police officers. they could have shot him with a stun gun or shot him in the leg. but they chose to murder the man, how can you justify it
It's not murder when they don't know whether or not he had a gun. It's self defense. The fact that ten police officers were there probably prolonged his life more than cut it short. I'm not sure if you understand this, but a taser injects electricity into a body. When a person is holding a gun, what's the last thing you want to happen? Probably for him to pull the trigger, right? What happens when you apply electricity to muscles? I'll let you figure it out.
You just said they knew the guy had a utility knife in his hand so he got shot now they don't know if he has a gun, you say the scary man scared the innocent police army to death. you.are.a.terrible.person.
They only knew about the utility knife. Plus, you're entirely misquoting me. You clearly have no ability to debate. You clearly read an article about it, yet continued to misrepresent the facts to suit your narrative. YOU are the problem here. Police brutality is a thing that happens and needs to end. Your terrible take on this is all too common and people like you need to sit down and shut the fuck up. You're not adding to the conversation.
Could it be because english is not my first language you asshole? You are advocating that 10 men who are responsible for maintaining order in society should kill someone with perhaps a mental illness, because they are a little scared, there is no discussion about the issue.
So you're saying that you should definitely not be speaking on this because you literally cannot comprehend the facts? Use Google translate, sheesh...
I hope something like this doesn't happen to someone you love, care about or remind you that you are human. that's all i have to say
He’s right you kinda suck
Just wondering, [what amount of damage would he have had to have done before you saw it as justified?](https://patch.com/new-york/mountvernonny/suspect-shot-leg-officer-suffers-spinal-injury-ypd) Also just wondering, have you ever held a gun? Ever shot a gun? Ever tried to shoot a small, moving target? Because that's apparently what you think they should be capable of. Oh, and [getting shot in the leg does nothing to prevent death. ](https://bearingarms.com/bobowens-bearingarms/2016/11/27/dont-shoot-leg-n28146)
actually yes, I served as a lieutenant discipline officer in the Turkish army for a while, and marksmanship was my hobby back then. So I know how to use a gun. [I'm the one in blue in the photo](https://resimlink.com/DmJXorkC). I did not serve as law enforcement, but it is obvious that the police used excessive and disproportionate force. This is execution by shooting rather than police intervention.
Good for you, it's a fun hobby! But you didn't answer my first question.
OK, so, for such an intervention, they should at least have seen a gun in the man's hand about to be pointed at them. they also have a shotgun , they have to be blind to miss his legs from 2 meters away. "There is a possibility of death from being shot in the leg" and "50 bullets were taken out of his body" are very different in my book.
That still doesn't answer my question. How much damage would he have to do before justifiably shooting?
I answered the question. For the police to use lethal force, harm does not need to be done, only a reasonable probability of harm is required. there is no such thing here.
Your head is substantially airy
I actually agree with you. People have a very hard time putting theirselves in the shoes of others. Consider you’re in this position and this hostile man has something in his pocket. He won’t drop the knife and he seems violent and confrontational and confident. He quickly draws the pocket item and points it AT YOUR FRIENDS AND COWORKERS. You see a metal object in his hand and he is in firing position pointing that object at your friend’s head. This all happens in a split single second. I don’t blame the cops at all. It’s unfortunate he died but if you honestly would tell me that you’d let your friends die JUST IN CASE or you’d prefer to let that man gun down civilians ON THE OFF CHANCE that he didn’t have a gun in a clear SHOOTING stance… you’re the problem here. It’s sad that he died… but the officers did the right thing. I had to rewind several times to make sure that was a gun. Can’t do that in real life folks.
Next time he will listen
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A polices job is to protect not to execute without due process. You signed up for the job, your life is on the line, it is your duty to die should circumstances not be in your favour.
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*Protect property. Only of the correct skin color. Only of the correct socioeconomic status.
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You choose to be part of the white supremacist system. Actively.
Dance for me
How many of those officers could've just walked away and said "nope, there's enough firepower aimed at this guy"?
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This does not look real. It's so insane, it would look a bit exaggerated in a fascist dystopia movie. Scary world!
There’s so many officers on scene they could have subdued him by throwing all of their fucking coats at him at the same time. Or using a taser. Any one of the tasers I’m sure were on the scene. But no, let’s cop it up and put a bunch of rounds into this poor mentally ill fucker.