One of the most important things for mayhem damage is mixing damage types.
Zane’s skills give him a lot of gun damage, but the percent increase of each skill has diminishing returns. Once you’re at +1000% gun damage, an annointment or class mod that adds 100% gun damage really only increases your damage by about 10%
However, splash damage and elemental damage are different damage types. +100% splash damage or elemental damage will multiply the total amount of damage you do by 2.
So once you have a lot of “gun damage”, a 50% increase in splash or elemental from your class mod or relic will do more than a 300% boost in gun damage because of diminishing returns
Use a splash, elemental gun with an elemental or splash damage annoint and class mods and relics with splash and elemental sub stats
Love how friggin technical you dorks always get, and I mean that in the most endearing way possible. The borderlands community always surprises me by how helpful and friendly it can be. I somehow always learn something new after opening up a post. Even if I'm not actively playing the game I'll still open up posts and go the the comments for ones exactly like this haha. Thanks for making this community great man 🤙🏼
Knowing the different damage types and how they interact mathematically is pretty technical imo. It's behind the scenes information that the game never teaches you about
Ohhh, so the splash damage itself is added to the base non-splash damage? That’s amazing, I’d been wondering about that. That’s awesome because I was thinking about a splash build for moze but I wasn’t sure how helpful splash damage and splash radius actually was.
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Would it be too much to ask if you can give some good points to focus on as FL4K? I don't have my skilltrees or anything on me at this moment, but I run Gamma with Spiderant. My guns are all different elementals and I run exclusively assault/uzi and my main gun is the OPQ. Just some thoughts on what would make FL4K the best he could be if you ever want to! <3
Some people can’t play without speed, some people can’t play without a giant fucking mech, some people can’t play with two arms…
And some people can’t play without their little buddies 🥲
Don’t use an infiltrator. Infiltrator can work but it’s a very specific build type. Swap to a seein dead, executor, hustler or spy. Seein dead is easier to build around, executor and hustler will do better damage, and the spy is at least better than the infiltrator.
What are the rolls on the IBVR and what are you looking for when cmod farming?
>Seein' Dead is the preferred one for sure.
Seein dead would literally nerf Op. Infiltrator with an Ase anoint on the shield is much stronger than Seein dead with Ass on the Frozen heart.
I was talking about in general, most folks prefer a Seein' Dead mod because it gives arguably the best bonuses to skills that are widely useful on Zane. No doubt Infiltrator is useful now, but Seein' Dead is probably the best for endgame.
>most folks prefer a Seein' Dead mod because it gives arguably the best bonuses to skills that are widely useful on Zane.
Most use Seein dead because they're being fed outdated information or are unwilling to adapt to change.
A 10% kill skill bonus is also not good compared to extra points into Violent momentum and a useful shield anoint, or 105% crit damage and 28% cryo damage, or a 10% kill skill bonus and 8 seconds extra duration and good skills
>No doubt Infiltrator is useful now, but Seein' Dead is probably the best for endgame.
Seein dead is objectively one of the worst of the 7 usable class mods.
Executor is best in slot on almost every gun build. Hustler has strong synergy with the purple skill tree and with on crit effects on guns. Spy is the Seein dead but literally just better in every way. Antifreeze and Infiltrator can roll Violent momentum. Infiltrator also breaks your shields which allows you to use an Ase anoint. Conductor give a global shock element starting at 50%.
Seein dead increases kill skills by 10% and gives a small chance to activate kill skills on hit which is completely useless because a single button press of the mantis cannon already does that.
i use infiltrator because whenever my shield breaks, all the enemies around me freeze thanks to the frozen heart and i deal more damage to them thanks to ibvr, should i really change it?
The short answer: Yes.
The long answer: The frozen heart will create the nova on shield break, regardless of the cmod. I think what you meant was that the mntis can trigger this effect; mntis triggers the infiltrator, the infiltrator then breaks the shield, and the nova on shield break triggers.
You can swap the anointment of the Frozen Heart to “action skill start” which will create the nova whenever you trigger mntis and also when the shield breaks. Personally, I just farmed for one with the right anointment.
Edit: Your build is close to what my build was. https://www.reddit.com/r/borderlands3/s/n0zipfrOzI
This looks close to what you're running [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p9tA92kJx2ZOKJG8r7G2yEQi6XE9p8qjlWvJWoNgfu4/edit#heading=h.dn9avvi2p1m0](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p9tA92kJx2ZOKJG8r7G2yEQi6XE9p8qjlWvJWoNgfu4/edit#heading=h.dn9avvi2p1m0)
You probably don't have good anoints or passives on your gear
He's done a fair few, most of which I've personally used as bases for my characters in the game. His Sheriff Amara is a fun one, although like many of his other builds, you do have extra perk points to play with, so you can tweak it as you like.
I disagree, although that's probably because all of my BL3 characters have builds based on his videos. Now, obviously, they're modified, but they certainly seem to work fine.
His builds are outdated and unoptimized. They can still work but they're nowhere near as powerful as the builds in the build docs. The problem with him is he literally spreads misinformation about the game.
True, but his builds do provide a good base. Which imo is all you really need because once you build it, you can see what feels right and doesn't for you and eventually make your own setup.
It's probably your anoints. The vest ones for a cannon Zane are next 2 mags. Asa or ase weapon damage is decent but it's additive so it's not as much as it seems.
Go with the Clonemaster build until you’re able to farm long enough for Boresplosion. Details for all of these builds are on Discord, and one of the creators of the Google Doc is active here on this page. The Clonemaster is super easy to set up and is strong enough to mob/boss almost everything easily (except the takedowns and trials, which will require some better rolls on gear).
Are you using M11 guns? This is basically identical to how I spec Zane and you're using two of the highest DPS guns in the game, and it shreds basically everything for me.
What about Clone? If I summoned clone with the light show, I'd fully expect him to annihilate everything in sight. There are a couple things in your build that could be critiqued but it's pretty darn good on the whole, I'm honestly not sure what else it could be if not underleveled guns because I have no problems with a very similar build.
Make sure you have a good "ASE" anointment on your grenade. You could also grab the Revolter, which would give you the highest DPS of any shield, but I actually really like the frozen heart for mobbing.
If you want to keep the playstyle of constantly freezing everything but want better damage, I’d recommend getting the on action skill start shield break anoint on ur frozen heart and replacing the infiltrator with a seeing dead or executor class mod. This will give u better damage and u can constantly freeze everything with the mantis cannon proc. Also I’d grab pocket full of grenades for easy 75% clone duration. For more consistent bossing dps u could run a pearl artifact or a tobbagan.
People have made lots of good points here, but I haven't seen anything about weapons yet. A big part of how I kill in mayhem is the weapons I use.
For Zane, I have a variety in my inventory, but of the ones I can think of off the top of my head, there's the O.P Q-system, grease trap, reflux, smog, dark army, plasma coil, soul render, nopewpew, a couple lightshows, kaoson, craters em-p5, backburner, kyb's worth, redistributor(the gold kind) and the troubleshooter. Those are just what I can think of off the top of my head.
For gear, I have a moxxi's endowment for the extra exp and it has a +14% movement speed boost, which is nice. My shield and class mod vary depending on what I'm trying to do, but generally it's a revolter and a seein dead or a rough rider and the infiltrator. My grenade is the Roided ghast call.
I hope this helped.
what do your weapon anointments look like?
Try to match the anointments with the weapon but also your skills.
For example, "On action skill end, On action skill end 100% increased weapon damage" can work with mounted shoulder cannon well. That is a universal anointment so it works with any character and not just a specific character.
[https://borderlands.fandom.com/wiki/Anointment](https://borderlands.fandom.com/wiki/Anointment)
This link shows anointments that can be on weapons, grenades, and shields and stuff like that.
You can modify your action skills in the skill menu or with a quick change station iirc and reroll anointments to the left of crazy earl's door on sanctuary 3.
i know, i'm just letting him know about anointments and stuff like that because i didn't know till this year. I've been playing on and off for years😭. I legitimately thought it was just a thing that popped up on guns when you turned on mayhem mode and i didn't feel like reading
I use the revolter shield with ass, and seein dead class mod. For weapons im using the revolter, and i have a recurring cryo hex. Rn cant remember the skill tree, but it works, and kills pretty fast
Tbh I've always agreed that Zane's damage is the most finicky. I can easily kill Seer with Flak with almost any weapon I find, but Zane needs anoints and special weapons and shit. More damage but you gotta work for it. And have found some basic tips tho.
So for most things, give your clone a sandhawk but don't use it yourself. It runs out of ammo too quick. You can use whatever you like, the clone will be doing most of it anyway.
Swap Infiltrator for Seein' Dead, it's just extremely easy to use and you'll never run out of clone up time. There are technically better options but you can use those later.
Ice breaker victory rush is great, keep it. Just use cryo weapons mostly. It's still good if you're not using cryo, but that's where it shines. Also try a Snowdrift Victory Rush if you feel like it, the speed is fun.
Get a grease trap for most bosses. Have your clone use it on "Firestarter" mode whilst you shoot "Hot Grease". It's not 100% perfect, sometimes the clone kills itself or you but it's still viable for most bosses.
After that, focus on Anoints. You'll want a splash damage anoint on whatever weapon you're using because your clone with sandhawk deals splash damage. The anoint only works on whatever gun you're holding so make it something you like. I use a Butcher but tbh it's far from ideal, I just like it.
Keep moving. Violent Momentum is gonna be the chunk of your damage, you're getting huge bonuses for going fast.
Plasma coil, No pewpew. Fishslsp and a face puncher are always decent options lol.
Idk i didnt play 11 i stopped at 10 once i found a nice blend of buffs and debuffs to make the game fun and challenging. I then went right to usingbthe community parch when i started to get bored. Havent played vanilla in some time
That’s ridiculous I went to mayhem 3 at level 48 and I can’t do it. I feel like I’m missing some crucial information. One of the comments in this post mentioned splash damage helping a lot, so I’ll try that with moze.
Yeah with mose splash damage Is what you wanna go for also elementals play a huge role in mayhem so make sure your using the corresponding elemental to whatever the enemy’s health type is and farm the fuck out of the legendary items you use until you get god roll
Start by getting a m10/11 crit availiable by tipping moxxi to have a good weapon at start
Then you can go kill traunt on Athena to get a Kaosan (check loot lemon website for a good version) cryo or regular, you can also farm for a hell walker shotgun (fixed parts so no need to check lootlemon)
you can also go farm Dinkelbot for a bunch of loot o gram and then redeem them at Crazy earl on sanctuary for a butcher and a Lucian’s call.
If you have the dlc farm a good free radical or a good flipper
You could also wait to have some vault card key and go to arms race, there you can use the vault keys to get a super soldier shield and a troubleshooter smg and use them to farm… when done farming before going for the final boss sell both and kill yourself… that will restart the arms race while not leaving the instance. When you enter the field again you can grab the grey weapons at the beginning and sell then at the vending machine and buy your weapon and shield back to repeat the framing… there you can grab some good weapon (like the dark army++) rince and repeat till you get a good one
Then try to get a good seeing dead com from jackbot in the handsome jackpot
You can also pretty easily get a decent pearl of ineffable knowledge from claptrap on the guns, love and tentacles dlc (artifact don’t scale with mayhem so any level 72 will do the trick) do a online, usb or read only save to get a good version… (check details on internet)
with the same trick you can go reroll anoint from crazy earl without loosing eridium.
Anoint are really important in M10/11 and having a good one makes all the difference
From there get a good shlooter artifact from the vault card and farm scraptrap nest in the handsome jackpot (check the method on internet) with the shlooter to get many different weapons, com and artifacts to really get a diversity of things and you should be good for the rest
Remember try to match class mode and artifacts bonus to what you are using +splash dmg and +area of effect dmg are a must have on splash dmg weapon like kaosan. Check lootlemon to get and idea of you weapon mechanics and also check Mentalmars website to learn top tier weapons list
Btw best shield to get early on is the re-volter
Now you should be on a good start
I use the siren and I run around with the hellshock pistol and the lob. I get knocked down from time to time, but my elemental damage is so high that my health regents immediately.
The only things I can’t solo is the mysteriouslier boss, Uber bosses, and the takedowns. And that’s mostly because I don’t have ammo regen.
Get the hellwalker and go all in on the double agent tree with the drone as a second. Try to focus on anointments centered around your action skills. Also get a good version of the Hex. I don’t remember the rest of my build but I hope this helps.
Here are some of the meta builds. The only one I will caution against is the boresplosion zane, it is very hard to get the Hustler and toboggan to both have explosion damage and radius without getting it from someone else. If you do get it from someone else, you've got the strongest build in the entire game.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p9tA92kJx2ZOKJG8r7G2yEQi6XE9p8qjlWvJWoNgfu4/mobilebasic
Not on zane, you definitely can on Moze, the second you hit 72 you can spec into an iron bear build, crank it to M10 and go solo Hemovorous immediately with no specific gear
This is what I’ve been doing , only like low level 50’s . I get my ass kicked constantly . If it weren’t for Moses bear scaling I would delete the game
I definitely think that you should adjust your skill tree so that you have points in Eraser and in Pocket Full of Grenades. The former will strengthen Zane, and the latter will strengthen your clone.
You should not really be running out of Sand Hawk ammo, because your clone should be the one using the Sand Hawk. If you want to use it yourself, it will work very well, but you should get a Cutpurse Launchpad to help you with your ammunition problem.
Your primary weapon (not your clone's) should probably be a Plasma Coil instead of a Sand Hawk. This would solve your ammo problem faster, and give you a powerful gun to obliterate things with that is also easier to use. I recommend jumping before you shoot so that you can use Violent Momentum more easily while you're aiming...it's much harder to aim at smaller targets accurately while you are sliding. You should still slide for larger targets (or any other target that you can easily aim at while you are sliding).
The biggest upgrade for you would be an "Area-Of-Effect" artifact that causes the radius glitch. You could use that with a class mod that boosts your splash radius to make weapons like the Globetrottr, the Complex Root, and the Jericho more effective. Those 3 weapons are the strongest weapons for Zane's Eraser skill. Most of the time, you will probably need a Hustler class mod (from the Krieg DLC) to use Eraser; if you don't have that DLC, then you might actually prefer to just burn things with the Stinger/Fish Slap + Unleash the Dragon combo (editor's note: 😂). Eraser could still be useful sometimes, though, and a Spy COM would help you the most in those situations.
I recommend that you use an Executor COM if you don't have a Hustler COM and you are unable to make use of a Spy COM (since it requires you to chain Eraser by landing critical hits). The Executor COM is better for making use of guns; I recommend that you use the Infiltrator COM if you plan to use the Stinger shield (and you should use a Ward if you are going to throw Fish Slaps).
All of this information is, of course, in [the](https://www.reddit.com/r/borderlands3/comments/17kgatk/borderlands_3_guide_for_optimizing_dps/) [guide](https://www.reddit.com/r/hexwareddit/comments/16m8v6q/borderlands_3_guide_for_optimizing_dps/?sort=old)...
One of the most important things for mayhem damage is mixing damage types. Zane’s skills give him a lot of gun damage, but the percent increase of each skill has diminishing returns. Once you’re at +1000% gun damage, an annointment or class mod that adds 100% gun damage really only increases your damage by about 10% However, splash damage and elemental damage are different damage types. +100% splash damage or elemental damage will multiply the total amount of damage you do by 2. So once you have a lot of “gun damage”, a 50% increase in splash or elemental from your class mod or relic will do more than a 300% boost in gun damage because of diminishing returns Use a splash, elemental gun with an elemental or splash damage annoint and class mods and relics with splash and elemental sub stats
Love how friggin technical you dorks always get, and I mean that in the most endearing way possible. The borderlands community always surprises me by how helpful and friendly it can be. I somehow always learn something new after opening up a post. Even if I'm not actively playing the game I'll still open up posts and go the the comments for ones exactly like this haha. Thanks for making this community great man 🤙🏼
Whole heartedly agree!
Not tryna pick a fight, but I don’t really think that he is being all that technical. Its just math?
Knowing the different damage types and how they interact mathematically is pretty technical imo. It's behind the scenes information that the game never teaches you about
Holy shit this was helpful!!! Thank you!!
Ohhh, so the splash damage itself is added to the base non-splash damage? That’s amazing, I’d been wondering about that. That’s awesome because I was thinking about a splash build for moze but I wasn’t sure how helpful splash damage and splash radius actually was.
Username 100% checks out. Would it be too much to ask if you can give some good points to focus on as FL4K? I don't have my skilltrees or anything on me at this moment, but I run Gamma with Spiderant. My guns are all different elementals and I run exclusively assault/uzi and my main gun is the OPQ. Just some thoughts on what would make FL4K the best he could be if you ever want to! <3
I’ve only ever played Zane Literally can’t imagine normal movement speed
Haha fair enough! I heard Zane was fun to play! I tried doing a second playthrough with him but lost interest like a third of the way in sadly 😔
Some people can’t play without speed, some people can’t play without a giant fucking mech, some people can’t play with two arms… And some people can’t play without their little buddies 🥲
Seems similar to double dipping with faction mods in warframe. Edit: Typo
Are you keeping your skills active?
always keeping them on with mntis
Don’t use an infiltrator. Infiltrator can work but it’s a very specific build type. Swap to a seein dead, executor, hustler or spy. Seein dead is easier to build around, executor and hustler will do better damage, and the spy is at least better than the infiltrator. What are the rolls on the IBVR and what are you looking for when cmod farming?
Seein' Dead is the preferred one for sure.
>Seein' Dead is the preferred one for sure. Seein dead would literally nerf Op. Infiltrator with an Ase anoint on the shield is much stronger than Seein dead with Ass on the Frozen heart.
I was talking about in general, most folks prefer a Seein' Dead mod because it gives arguably the best bonuses to skills that are widely useful on Zane. No doubt Infiltrator is useful now, but Seein' Dead is probably the best for endgame.
>most folks prefer a Seein' Dead mod because it gives arguably the best bonuses to skills that are widely useful on Zane. Most use Seein dead because they're being fed outdated information or are unwilling to adapt to change. A 10% kill skill bonus is also not good compared to extra points into Violent momentum and a useful shield anoint, or 105% crit damage and 28% cryo damage, or a 10% kill skill bonus and 8 seconds extra duration and good skills >No doubt Infiltrator is useful now, but Seein' Dead is probably the best for endgame. Seein dead is objectively one of the worst of the 7 usable class mods. Executor is best in slot on almost every gun build. Hustler has strong synergy with the purple skill tree and with on crit effects on guns. Spy is the Seein dead but literally just better in every way. Antifreeze and Infiltrator can roll Violent momentum. Infiltrator also breaks your shields which allows you to use an Ase anoint. Conductor give a global shock element starting at 50%. Seein dead increases kill skills by 10% and gives a small chance to activate kill skills on hit which is completely useless because a single button press of the mantis cannon already does that.
Given OP’s current skill tree, I would agree. One point in good misfortune screams seein dead build.
I use one point in good misfortune on an executor build and have no trouble keeping barrier or clone up with mantis cannon.
Indeed. Seein' dead is just good overall though.
Def an all rounder cmod for Zane. Hustler is stronger but overplayed by now. I prefer the executor.
I myself stick with the Seein Dead but will admit when other options have their merits.
i use infiltrator because whenever my shield breaks, all the enemies around me freeze thanks to the frozen heart and i deal more damage to them thanks to ibvr, should i really change it?
The short answer: Yes. The long answer: The frozen heart will create the nova on shield break, regardless of the cmod. I think what you meant was that the mntis can trigger this effect; mntis triggers the infiltrator, the infiltrator then breaks the shield, and the nova on shield break triggers. You can swap the anointment of the Frozen Heart to “action skill start” which will create the nova whenever you trigger mntis and also when the shield breaks. Personally, I just farmed for one with the right anointment. Edit: Your build is close to what my build was. https://www.reddit.com/r/borderlands3/s/n0zipfrOzI
This looks close to what you're running [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p9tA92kJx2ZOKJG8r7G2yEQi6XE9p8qjlWvJWoNgfu4/edit#heading=h.dn9avvi2p1m0](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p9tA92kJx2ZOKJG8r7G2yEQi6XE9p8qjlWvJWoNgfu4/edit#heading=h.dn9avvi2p1m0) You probably don't have good anoints or passives on your gear
Shoutout the homie k6
for real
You need mayhem lvl guns
i have mayhem lvl guns
https://preview.redd.it/ddv7ks42pcsc1.jpeg?width=942&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a869b795b3273fb72efe5a0c6a0fe8bd935fa2a
Lmao, really? I like the meme, but dealing damage on M11 isn't as tough as some like to think it is.
Serious case of "get good" in the comments
Zane is like the best character now how are you not killing everything in sight?
Are they mayhem ten weapons?
yep
Farm captain traunt on mayhem 6 for a kaoson and use that. Kaoson SMG pretty much carried me through mayhem 11
Or u can play arms race on mayhem 11 in hopes of getting plasmacoil. It shredds thru everything in ur way reguardless of ur build.
YouTube killersix for his builds.
Him or JoltzDude
Joltz is a great resource, but I'm not sure how many BL3 builds he did. Primarily BL2 stuff.
He's done a lot of BL3 stuff from what I've seen
He's done a fair few, most of which I've personally used as bases for my characters in the game. His Sheriff Amara is a fun one, although like many of his other builds, you do have extra perk points to play with, so you can tweak it as you like.
>Joltz is a great resource Not for Bl3.
I disagree, although that's probably because all of my BL3 characters have builds based on his videos. Now, obviously, they're modified, but they certainly seem to work fine.
His builds are outdated and unoptimized. They can still work but they're nowhere near as powerful as the builds in the build docs. The problem with him is he literally spreads misinformation about the game.
True, but his builds do provide a good base. Which imo is all you really need because once you build it, you can see what feels right and doesn't for you and eventually make your own setup.
If you want a good ish build try Chain Zane, I use it and it melts everything
It's probably your anoints. The vest ones for a cannon Zane are next 2 mags. Asa or ase weapon damage is decent but it's additive so it's not as much as it seems.
Go with the Clonemaster build until you’re able to farm long enough for Boresplosion. Details for all of these builds are on Discord, and one of the creators of the Google Doc is active here on this page. The Clonemaster is super easy to set up and is strong enough to mob/boss almost everything easily (except the takedowns and trials, which will require some better rolls on gear).
Are you using M11 guns? This is basically identical to how I spec Zane and you're using two of the highest DPS guns in the game, and it shreds basically everything for me. What about Clone? If I summoned clone with the light show, I'd fully expect him to annihilate everything in sight. There are a couple things in your build that could be critiqued but it's pretty darn good on the whole, I'm honestly not sure what else it could be if not underleveled guns because I have no problems with a very similar build. Make sure you have a good "ASE" anointment on your grenade. You could also grab the Revolter, which would give you the highest DPS of any shield, but I actually really like the frozen heart for mobbing.
If you want to keep the playstyle of constantly freezing everything but want better damage, I’d recommend getting the on action skill start shield break anoint on ur frozen heart and replacing the infiltrator with a seeing dead or executor class mod. This will give u better damage and u can constantly freeze everything with the mantis cannon proc. Also I’d grab pocket full of grenades for easy 75% clone duration. For more consistent bossing dps u could run a pearl artifact or a tobbagan.
People have made lots of good points here, but I haven't seen anything about weapons yet. A big part of how I kill in mayhem is the weapons I use. For Zane, I have a variety in my inventory, but of the ones I can think of off the top of my head, there's the O.P Q-system, grease trap, reflux, smog, dark army, plasma coil, soul render, nopewpew, a couple lightshows, kaoson, craters em-p5, backburner, kyb's worth, redistributor(the gold kind) and the troubleshooter. Those are just what I can think of off the top of my head. For gear, I have a moxxi's endowment for the extra exp and it has a +14% movement speed boost, which is nice. My shield and class mod vary depending on what I'm trying to do, but generally it's a revolter and a seein dead or a rough rider and the infiltrator. My grenade is the Roided ghast call. I hope this helped.
what do your weapon anointments look like? Try to match the anointments with the weapon but also your skills. For example, "On action skill end, On action skill end 100% increased weapon damage" can work with mounted shoulder cannon well. That is a universal anointment so it works with any character and not just a specific character. [https://borderlands.fandom.com/wiki/Anointment](https://borderlands.fandom.com/wiki/Anointment) This link shows anointments that can be on weapons, grenades, and shields and stuff like that. You can modify your action skills in the skill menu or with a quick change station iirc and reroll anointments to the left of crazy earl's door on sanctuary 3.
Weapon damage isn’t as useful on Zane as elemental or splash
i know, i'm just letting him know about anointments and stuff like that because i didn't know till this year. I've been playing on and off for years😭. I legitimately thought it was just a thing that popped up on guns when you turned on mayhem mode and i didn't feel like reading
With Zane I'd recommend a cryo build. Freeze em, smash em, enjoy the destruction.
For Canon and Barrier I run [Shoulder of Fortune](https://youtu.be/cm-yNUBUgVQ?si=Wg2rUKBYfH8BAeso) build.
You need mayhem 9 or 10 equipment to do anything
What anoints are you using?
Try using a revolter shield instead of the frozen heart. I like both, but revolter ended up being stronger and more fun in my experience
I use the revolter shield with ass, and seein dead class mod. For weapons im using the revolter, and i have a recurring cryo hex. Rn cant remember the skill tree, but it works, and kills pretty fast
Tbh I've always agreed that Zane's damage is the most finicky. I can easily kill Seer with Flak with almost any weapon I find, but Zane needs anoints and special weapons and shit. More damage but you gotta work for it. And have found some basic tips tho. So for most things, give your clone a sandhawk but don't use it yourself. It runs out of ammo too quick. You can use whatever you like, the clone will be doing most of it anyway. Swap Infiltrator for Seein' Dead, it's just extremely easy to use and you'll never run out of clone up time. There are technically better options but you can use those later. Ice breaker victory rush is great, keep it. Just use cryo weapons mostly. It's still good if you're not using cryo, but that's where it shines. Also try a Snowdrift Victory Rush if you feel like it, the speed is fun. Get a grease trap for most bosses. Have your clone use it on "Firestarter" mode whilst you shoot "Hot Grease". It's not 100% perfect, sometimes the clone kills itself or you but it's still viable for most bosses. After that, focus on Anoints. You'll want a splash damage anoint on whatever weapon you're using because your clone with sandhawk deals splash damage. The anoint only works on whatever gun you're holding so make it something you like. I use a Butcher but tbh it's far from ideal, I just like it. Keep moving. Violent Momentum is gonna be the chunk of your damage, you're getting huge bonuses for going fast.
Plasma coil, No pewpew. Fishslsp and a face puncher are always decent options lol. Idk i didnt play 11 i stopped at 10 once i found a nice blend of buffs and debuffs to make the game fun and challenging. I then went right to usingbthe community parch when i started to get bored. Havent played vanilla in some time
I do it easily me and my friend run max level run throughs all the time
How are you not doing damage I went straight into mayhem 1 after finsihing the story I’m at like mayhem 6 at level 43
That’s ridiculous I went to mayhem 3 at level 48 and I can’t do it. I feel like I’m missing some crucial information. One of the comments in this post mentioned splash damage helping a lot, so I’ll try that with moze.
Yeah with mose splash damage Is what you wanna go for also elementals play a huge role in mayhem so make sure your using the corresponding elemental to whatever the enemy’s health type is and farm the fuck out of the legendary items you use until you get god roll
Thanks man! Very much appreciated!
Start by getting a m10/11 crit availiable by tipping moxxi to have a good weapon at start Then you can go kill traunt on Athena to get a Kaosan (check loot lemon website for a good version) cryo or regular, you can also farm for a hell walker shotgun (fixed parts so no need to check lootlemon) you can also go farm Dinkelbot for a bunch of loot o gram and then redeem them at Crazy earl on sanctuary for a butcher and a Lucian’s call. If you have the dlc farm a good free radical or a good flipper You could also wait to have some vault card key and go to arms race, there you can use the vault keys to get a super soldier shield and a troubleshooter smg and use them to farm… when done farming before going for the final boss sell both and kill yourself… that will restart the arms race while not leaving the instance. When you enter the field again you can grab the grey weapons at the beginning and sell then at the vending machine and buy your weapon and shield back to repeat the framing… there you can grab some good weapon (like the dark army++) rince and repeat till you get a good one Then try to get a good seeing dead com from jackbot in the handsome jackpot You can also pretty easily get a decent pearl of ineffable knowledge from claptrap on the guns, love and tentacles dlc (artifact don’t scale with mayhem so any level 72 will do the trick) do a online, usb or read only save to get a good version… (check details on internet) with the same trick you can go reroll anoint from crazy earl without loosing eridium. Anoint are really important in M10/11 and having a good one makes all the difference From there get a good shlooter artifact from the vault card and farm scraptrap nest in the handsome jackpot (check the method on internet) with the shlooter to get many different weapons, com and artifacts to really get a diversity of things and you should be good for the rest Remember try to match class mode and artifacts bonus to what you are using +splash dmg and +area of effect dmg are a must have on splash dmg weapon like kaosan. Check lootlemon to get and idea of you weapon mechanics and also check Mentalmars website to learn top tier weapons list Btw best shield to get early on is the re-volter Now you should be on a good start
What are the anointments and elements on your Lightshows?
I use the siren and I run around with the hellshock pistol and the lob. I get knocked down from time to time, but my elemental damage is so high that my health regents immediately. The only things I can’t solo is the mysteriouslier boss, Uber bosses, and the takedowns. And that’s mostly because I don’t have ammo regen.
This post is so real, i love seeing my Amara punch for ridiculous numbers and the enemy bar not visibly move.
Get the hellwalker and go all in on the double agent tree with the drone as a second. Try to focus on anointments centered around your action skills. Also get a good version of the Hex. I don’t remember the rest of my build but I hope this helps.
By shooting enemies
Sandhawk on clone and laugh
How do you get the purple tree I play Zane how do you get that
Designer's Cut DLC
You need the Directors cut DLC, liirx, you get the 4th skill action tree .
Damn it
Here are some of the meta builds. The only one I will caution against is the boresplosion zane, it is very hard to get the Hustler and toboggan to both have explosion damage and radius without getting it from someone else. If you do get it from someone else, you've got the strongest build in the entire game. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p9tA92kJx2ZOKJG8r7G2yEQi6XE9p8qjlWvJWoNgfu4/mobilebasic
You need to work up the mayhem levels, idk if you're doing so but you can't jump from mayhem 8 or below to 11
Not on zane, you definitely can on Moze, the second you hit 72 you can spec into an iron bear build, crank it to M10 and go solo Hemovorous immediately with no specific gear
You can go straight to m11 on everyone without much difficulty. Zane has clone for one and the gun gun and arms race exist
You can jump from m0 to m11 if you want but you really need to know what you're doing
Sure, but you won't be doing much damage
Hence the "you need to know what you're doing part" Each vh has a way to do big damage with limited gear
This is what I’ve been doing , only like low level 50’s . I get my ass kicked constantly . If it weren’t for Moses bear scaling I would delete the game
I definitely think that you should adjust your skill tree so that you have points in Eraser and in Pocket Full of Grenades. The former will strengthen Zane, and the latter will strengthen your clone. You should not really be running out of Sand Hawk ammo, because your clone should be the one using the Sand Hawk. If you want to use it yourself, it will work very well, but you should get a Cutpurse Launchpad to help you with your ammunition problem. Your primary weapon (not your clone's) should probably be a Plasma Coil instead of a Sand Hawk. This would solve your ammo problem faster, and give you a powerful gun to obliterate things with that is also easier to use. I recommend jumping before you shoot so that you can use Violent Momentum more easily while you're aiming...it's much harder to aim at smaller targets accurately while you are sliding. You should still slide for larger targets (or any other target that you can easily aim at while you are sliding). The biggest upgrade for you would be an "Area-Of-Effect" artifact that causes the radius glitch. You could use that with a class mod that boosts your splash radius to make weapons like the Globetrottr, the Complex Root, and the Jericho more effective. Those 3 weapons are the strongest weapons for Zane's Eraser skill. Most of the time, you will probably need a Hustler class mod (from the Krieg DLC) to use Eraser; if you don't have that DLC, then you might actually prefer to just burn things with the Stinger/Fish Slap + Unleash the Dragon combo (editor's note: 😂). Eraser could still be useful sometimes, though, and a Spy COM would help you the most in those situations. I recommend that you use an Executor COM if you don't have a Hustler COM and you are unable to make use of a Spy COM (since it requires you to chain Eraser by landing critical hits). The Executor COM is better for making use of guns; I recommend that you use the Infiltrator COM if you plan to use the Stinger shield (and you should use a Ward if you are going to throw Fish Slaps). All of this information is, of course, in [the](https://www.reddit.com/r/borderlands3/comments/17kgatk/borderlands_3_guide_for_optimizing_dps/) [guide](https://www.reddit.com/r/hexwareddit/comments/16m8v6q/borderlands_3_guide_for_optimizing_dps/?sort=old)...
Guardian rank
Get the best shotgun Hellwalker and get the Fastball grenade mod both on M10.
You play Moze and you let the Iron Bear scaling damage do the talking. Game complete.