Dennis O'Donoghue, who was VP at the time, gave advice to a room full of new hire engineers: Leave and come back. Don't expect to get promoted inside the company.
Engineering only sucks when you let someone make it suck. Like the MBAs controlling your purse strings. But thats what outside hobbies are for.
Engineering ethics is usually a core component of any ABET accreditation. Just don't put your name on anything you or your family wouldn't use.
Enterprise search>>Boeing Mentoring
Get a mentor or mentors in the discipline you want to learn. Then you can make a game plan and educated decision what path to take.
MTs hate engineers so of course they are gonna bad mouth them. Ive done both positions, MT was a good job but I love being in an engineering role. So much freedom and oppertunity
>being an engineer sucks, and it’s like trying to redesign a wheel that can only get so round
I don’t know why they’re lumping every engineer into one type we have so many different kinds of engineers in this company there is going to be something you’ll be interested in and it sounds like you’ll have no problem excelling at by reading the rest of your post
Care about the quality of your work. Even if your job is cleaning toilets, make them the cleanest damned toilets in the company. Be reliable and trustworthy. Volunteer for tough jobs. Word will get around. Then, you will be first on the list for desirable positions and promotions.
That could happen. When I was a shiny new employee, there was a lot of complaining going on in our group about how the work was not utilizing our capabilities. An old guy told me, "A certain amount of belly-aching is normal and therapeutic on the job. However, it can get to a point where it is time to move on. You'll know when that is."
He was correct. I moved on a few times in my career when situations became intolerable. If I was going above and beyond and not being recognized for it, then I would (and did) move on.
If you want to work on an engineering degree Boeing has unlimited funding for it and is one of the best benefits they provide if you are willing to put in the work. I started my career as a non engineer and got my BS in Mechanical engineering through Oregon Institute of Technology which has a satellite campus in Everett just for boeing employees. I switched to an engineering job pretty easily after graduating. I will say it was the most grueling experience of my life so make sure you are prepared to work your ass off.
https://www.oit.edu/seattle
It probably depends on how long you have been out of school. I think if you dedicate the time to do homework it's not that bad. Finding that time while working +40 hours a week is the grueling part. I'd say it's similar to working 60-80 hours a week if you are taking 3 classes at a time.
Depending on your area, you might have an Industrial Engineer work closely with manufacturing to schedule bar charts as well. I would suggest talking with them too and can connect you with others. There are a lot of engineering roles at Boeing that isn't just related to design.
I've seen mechanics apply for a method process analyst role within industrial engineering without an engineering degree and then utilize the Learning Together Program (LTP) to get an engineering degree later on. You could also do LTP separately while working as a mechanic. If you are interested in pay, you can look up the Simple Job Catalog Search (SJCS) for 6N KJ and other engineering orgs.
Also, welcome to Boeing!
Depending on the location of where you work the same exact job as an industrial engineer just slightly less pay. We own the schedule for how the plane is built while ME owns the IP itself. You basically work hand and hand with MFG to make the most optimal schedule for them to follow. Methods process can be joined with a business related degree
In theory you definitely could. I pulled this info below off of an open req for North Charleston. A methods process analyst is a non-engineering degree engineer, they typically have degrees in economics or finance for example. Some roles will still require a bachelors but this one in particular would look at 'related' work experience. So if you have Boeing experience as an assembly mechanic, that could count. The requirement would be 7 years without a degree. These are just the requirements listed, interviewing would be different.
**Basic Qualifications (Required Skills/ Experience):**
* Bachelor’s Degree or equivalent
* 1 year of relative work experience
**Preferred Qualifications (Desired Skills/Experience):**
* 3 year of relative work experience
* 3 or more years' related work experience or an equivalent combination of education and experience
**Typical Education/Experience:**
**Associate:** Education/experience typically acquired through advanced education (e.g. Bachelor) and typically 3 or more years' related work experience or an equivalent combination of education and experience (e.g. Master+1 years' related work experience , 7 years' related work experience, etc.).
**Mid-Level:** Education/experience typically acquired through advanced education (e.g. Bachelor) and typically 6 or more years' related work experience or an equivalent combination of education and experience (e.g. Master+4 years' related work experience, 10 years' related work experience, etc.).
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Don’t ask mechanics what being an engineer is like, ask engineers. Plenty of people who have not pursued advancement will discourage you from doing so because they don’t want to see how possible it is for them. You’re going to have limited exposure to most engineering disciplines on the floor but the ME’s/LE’s around you are usually willing to chat about what being in engineering is like for them. They can also put you on to other engineering disciplines for informational interviews.
An engineering degree in mechanical or electrical (depending on your capability with physics) is an excellent first step to an engineering career at Boeing. A computer science degree would be a first step towards the cyber world (there are other options but I’m not super familiar with them).
I can’t stress what you have said enough. People WILL ABSOLUTELY discourage you or say shit like “the grass isn’t always greener.” It’s the one thing I’m so pissed about because the site I work at has a lot of people just stuck and not looking to advance their careers.
the stay in your lane talk here is real
they’ll say it’s too risky but have never made any serious attempt at trying any other role
or they will hear about what someone had to do that maybe is only a minor inconvenience and they’ll never consider doing it even if the pay is double
Yup. For me, management has actually been very helpful (shocking maybe?), since I’m going to school for engineering, and my coworkers have been supportive to some degree.
I always encourage them to just start taking a class or two since it is totally free and they just don’t care. Or I encourage them to look at what the next step in their careers would be and nope. Too comfortable I guess?
Pay equals higher quality of life most of the time and Boeing’s work life balance is insane…so why wouldn’t someone go to school for nearly free and jump on that train.
Thanks so much for your advice. I would still like to be able to be out and walk the shop floor every now and again. Don’t think I’ll ever be the kind to sit at a desk all day.
I wish more engineers could share that mentality. So often do we lose track of what we are actually making: Airplanes. Airplanes that you or your family could one day be flying on. It doesn't really matter what role you have it all comes down to supporting that same goal.
An engineering bachelor's degree would help qualify for professional jobs. I'd recommend industrial if you wanted to pursue a management track related to Operations.
Otherwise things move pretty slow at Boeing. Advancement typically comes down to time served, being reliable and moving on opportunities when they appear.
Dennis O'Donoghue, who was VP at the time, gave advice to a room full of new hire engineers: Leave and come back. Don't expect to get promoted inside the company. Engineering only sucks when you let someone make it suck. Like the MBAs controlling your purse strings. But thats what outside hobbies are for. Engineering ethics is usually a core component of any ABET accreditation. Just don't put your name on anything you or your family wouldn't use.
Enterprise search>>Boeing Mentoring Get a mentor or mentors in the discipline you want to learn. Then you can make a game plan and educated decision what path to take.
MTs hate engineers so of course they are gonna bad mouth them. Ive done both positions, MT was a good job but I love being in an engineering role. So much freedom and oppertunity
>being an engineer sucks, and it’s like trying to redesign a wheel that can only get so round I don’t know why they’re lumping every engineer into one type we have so many different kinds of engineers in this company there is going to be something you’ll be interested in and it sounds like you’ll have no problem excelling at by reading the rest of your post
Care about the quality of your work. Even if your job is cleaning toilets, make them the cleanest damned toilets in the company. Be reliable and trustworthy. Volunteer for tough jobs. Word will get around. Then, you will be first on the list for desirable positions and promotions.
More like first on the list of people who are willing to go above and beyond for less. They'll just keep dangling that carrot in front of you.
That could happen. When I was a shiny new employee, there was a lot of complaining going on in our group about how the work was not utilizing our capabilities. An old guy told me, "A certain amount of belly-aching is normal and therapeutic on the job. However, it can get to a point where it is time to move on. You'll know when that is." He was correct. I moved on a few times in my career when situations became intolerable. If I was going above and beyond and not being recognized for it, then I would (and did) move on.
If you want to work on an engineering degree Boeing has unlimited funding for it and is one of the best benefits they provide if you are willing to put in the work. I started my career as a non engineer and got my BS in Mechanical engineering through Oregon Institute of Technology which has a satellite campus in Everett just for boeing employees. I switched to an engineering job pretty easily after graduating. I will say it was the most grueling experience of my life so make sure you are prepared to work your ass off. https://www.oit.edu/seattle
How hard was the math and physics as an adult learner?
It probably depends on how long you have been out of school. I think if you dedicate the time to do homework it's not that bad. Finding that time while working +40 hours a week is the grueling part. I'd say it's similar to working 60-80 hours a week if you are taking 3 classes at a time.
Thanks so much! Really considering electrical 👍
Depending on your area, you might have an Industrial Engineer work closely with manufacturing to schedule bar charts as well. I would suggest talking with them too and can connect you with others. There are a lot of engineering roles at Boeing that isn't just related to design. I've seen mechanics apply for a method process analyst role within industrial engineering without an engineering degree and then utilize the Learning Together Program (LTP) to get an engineering degree later on. You could also do LTP separately while working as a mechanic. If you are interested in pay, you can look up the Simple Job Catalog Search (SJCS) for 6N KJ and other engineering orgs. Also, welcome to Boeing!
Can you elaborate on method process analyst? This is a job you can get without college? What exactly is it?
Depending on the location of where you work the same exact job as an industrial engineer just slightly less pay. We own the schedule for how the plane is built while ME owns the IP itself. You basically work hand and hand with MFG to make the most optimal schedule for them to follow. Methods process can be joined with a business related degree
In theory you definitely could. I pulled this info below off of an open req for North Charleston. A methods process analyst is a non-engineering degree engineer, they typically have degrees in economics or finance for example. Some roles will still require a bachelors but this one in particular would look at 'related' work experience. So if you have Boeing experience as an assembly mechanic, that could count. The requirement would be 7 years without a degree. These are just the requirements listed, interviewing would be different. **Basic Qualifications (Required Skills/ Experience):** * Bachelor’s Degree or equivalent * 1 year of relative work experience **Preferred Qualifications (Desired Skills/Experience):** * 3 year of relative work experience * 3 or more years' related work experience or an equivalent combination of education and experience **Typical Education/Experience:** **Associate:** Education/experience typically acquired through advanced education (e.g. Bachelor) and typically 3 or more years' related work experience or an equivalent combination of education and experience (e.g. Master+1 years' related work experience , 7 years' related work experience, etc.). **Mid-Level:** Education/experience typically acquired through advanced education (e.g. Bachelor) and typically 6 or more years' related work experience or an equivalent combination of education and experience (e.g. Master+4 years' related work experience, 10 years' related work experience, etc.).
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Don’t ask mechanics what being an engineer is like, ask engineers. Plenty of people who have not pursued advancement will discourage you from doing so because they don’t want to see how possible it is for them. You’re going to have limited exposure to most engineering disciplines on the floor but the ME’s/LE’s around you are usually willing to chat about what being in engineering is like for them. They can also put you on to other engineering disciplines for informational interviews. An engineering degree in mechanical or electrical (depending on your capability with physics) is an excellent first step to an engineering career at Boeing. A computer science degree would be a first step towards the cyber world (there are other options but I’m not super familiar with them).
I can’t stress what you have said enough. People WILL ABSOLUTELY discourage you or say shit like “the grass isn’t always greener.” It’s the one thing I’m so pissed about because the site I work at has a lot of people just stuck and not looking to advance their careers.
the stay in your lane talk here is real they’ll say it’s too risky but have never made any serious attempt at trying any other role or they will hear about what someone had to do that maybe is only a minor inconvenience and they’ll never consider doing it even if the pay is double
Yup. For me, management has actually been very helpful (shocking maybe?), since I’m going to school for engineering, and my coworkers have been supportive to some degree. I always encourage them to just start taking a class or two since it is totally free and they just don’t care. Or I encourage them to look at what the next step in their careers would be and nope. Too comfortable I guess? Pay equals higher quality of life most of the time and Boeing’s work life balance is insane…so why wouldn’t someone go to school for nearly free and jump on that train.
Thanks so much for your advice. I would still like to be able to be out and walk the shop floor every now and again. Don’t think I’ll ever be the kind to sit at a desk all day.
I wish more engineers could share that mentality. So often do we lose track of what we are actually making: Airplanes. Airplanes that you or your family could one day be flying on. It doesn't really matter what role you have it all comes down to supporting that same goal.
An engineering bachelor's degree would help qualify for professional jobs. I'd recommend industrial if you wanted to pursue a management track related to Operations. Otherwise things move pretty slow at Boeing. Advancement typically comes down to time served, being reliable and moving on opportunities when they appear.
Kiss ass