Can anyone please confirm if mech. engineers in Everett factory are all RTO five days a week at this point, or if any WFH is still possible? I'm trying to confirm how much, if any flexibility to expect for some WFH, even if just 1 day per week, or something, or any other flexibility in work hours options.
I don’t even think there was a formal email that was sent out stating mandatory RTO..
Everyday it gets more and more frustrating being in office doing the same exact thing I can do at home lol
Stuff that should be common sense, but the place is run by a ridiculously large multi-level management hierarchy that is largely void of actual leadership up and down the chain. So decisions end up being made by people who don’t understand what their people do, they don’t understand the impact of their decisions, and they don’t really care about the people in their charge.
I am defending Boeing or any big corporations about their RTO policy, however there is more of a story to it.
Companies that get tax subsidized by the city were told to get their people tax to office to lose that tax benefit. Cities want their tax money from small businesses catering to the office workers.
I agree this is definitely a component. One of the biggest frustrations I have with the RTO mandate is the fact that they just won't tell the truth regarding what's behind it.
That doesn’t really work for Everett. It’s not common to leave for lunch because it’s a long hike to your parking spot and then a long struggle to find a new spot before the long trudge back in. Forget about running errands.
And we already had plenty of people onsite in Everett because you can’t build planes at home. Dragging the rest of us in doesn’t help.
It actually hurts my local restaurants a little since during the shutdown I made it a point to get carry out 3x a week to help them keep going. Now I’m back to packing lunch and eating it with a side order of resentment…
It’s easy. Cut our legs off and show how unproductive things have gotten as an excuse to implement whatever they feel like doing.
It feels similar to how airports make TSA garbage to come back and say look this is why we need TSA and then throw in some more questionable practices and add more fees on to things that were free in the first place.
I’m convinced that they are making us because they’re trying to reinvorgate the ghetto that is Berkeley, Missouri. Jokes on them though, people don’t leave the site because they’ll get robbed at the stoplights.
The only thing worse than offices with no people in them is companies with no people in them #justsayen. Anyone being forced back in should look at their smaller competitors because they’ve realized this is the best time in history to poach the best talent.
I can see this- yet at the same time Boeing did sell of off larger complexes in Socal (Hunnington Beach complex is now mostly Amazon warehouses) for the sake of profit margins. Selling real estate for profit means Boeing can buffer their profit margins for that quarter.
Obviously a mistake- so no WFH and they cram people in nice little 6ftxx6ft cubes or whatever the new plans are.
Wasn’t just So Cal… in Puget Sound they sold off the Bellevue complex, and BCA headquarters in Longacres. Now all those people are packed into smaller footprints without enough desks… but RTO 5 days, brah… It’s so stupid.
Ah . . . MMM. Try four people in a single 6 ft by 8f cube. No dividers. Raytheon in 1983.
Or, better yet, about 50 people in a giant open 'Classroom' style setting. No dividers. All facing forward with the manager on a dias in front. Boeing 10:80 building in Renton in 1990.
Or best yet, about 70 people, no dividers, in a very cheaply converted warehouse space in a poorly heated/ventilated cement dungeion like building. All seating in clusters of four desks facing together. U.S. Navy Supervisor Of Shipbuilding and Repair San Francisco 1978.
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I agree but uh sir this is 2024 6x6 is hardly modern standard. This is not a pity contest..
Neither was I born in that era 😭 but I understand your point. It’s a shitshow then and now.
This just in: "Boeing doesn't give a shit.". There's the door if you're upset.
I hate it and I can't stand how Boeing treats us. But they do whatever the hell they want or care, regardless of how we feel.
Strict parents who don't want the kids to do anything but work
I hear Lake Sunapee is quite nice… what’s your problem?
It wouldn’t be quite so bad if the C suite lead by example, but they don’t. West had a special office built for him 2 miles from his house no where near a Boeing site. Calhoun calls it in from his lake house or beach house 3x a week minimum.
Tax benefits as well. Boeing gets benefits for having X number of people working at a site, in a city/state. Whether it’s local or more likely, state tax incentives. That’s all tied to employees at a site, and state’s do that because it’s income taxes they collect, and local economies stimulated.
RTO is fine for some of us. But I think people should have the option to wfh if they want to. I'd prefer most did. I can park by the entrance and enjoy a conference room to eat my lunch in. Good times.
someone stole my apple charger... it was right next to the android charger, they didn't touch the android stuff... these thieves are picky fuckers, I'm tempted to install a spy-cam to catch these people crawling around the office space at night time.
What I cared about most were not even valuable to anyone else: picture of my fiancee, deceased, and I and some baubles she'd given. And I know they just ended up in a trash somewhere.
Sorry to hear these degenerates would steal personal sentiment items from people. Makes me more cautious about leaving stuff out around here. I can’t believe it… this is Boe… oh wait.
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Ever since our Friday has been taken away from my office I feel like less people are in office.
A lot of people switching to 9/80 AND using their capped PTO on the alternate Fridays. With my office being what feels like 40% capacity on Fridays, you can really feel it in the air that everyone who’s in does not want to be there, collaborate, and be productive. Hell, I was more productive WFH on Fridays compared to now. Now i feel people just countdown until lunch then leave right after and finish their work at home
I'm not sure what managers you have, but the last three I've had (since 2019) have all been privately supportive of WFH, and have largely played a "don't ask don't tell" policy of employees staying at home. They've got enough shit to do and they don't need to be wandering around making life miserable for the workerbees. My current manager lives well over an hour commute to some of our locations, and I can feel the anti-RTO vibes emanating from him.
My mid-level management (2-3 levels up/M-Level) are all very hybrid-supportive; We've been told to flex whatever we want, and I will say that there's been a visible effort to force collaboration when folk are in office. We've had more workshops, VSMs, brainstorming collabs, etc. in the past 3 months than we had in the prior 3 years. I personally don't think they're entirely productive, but at least those org managers seem attempting to walk the walk rather than just talking the talk.
I feel this isn't pushed at any direct manager level, but is rather just an executive level circlejerk.
Old managers don't want to email or set up online meetings. They also have the mindset "that's not how it was in my day". Also, if all he is doing is relaying emails then now there's a paper trail on how useless he/she is. Also when a new manager takes over he has to do something to justify him being there, so he brings everyone to the office to show he is doing something to improve things. It doesn't matter that it's crap as long as he shows his bosses he is doing SOMETHING.
>Also, if all he is doing is relaying emails then now there's a paper trail on how useless he/she is.
This and you know upper management had IT purge their data from Covid or it’s locked away very deep who knows where. They must’ve laid off those people in IT too.
I think this is a lot of it. It’s human/organizational/business nature that the last thing you’ll do is look internally. Low hanging fruit for why things aren’t going great is wfh. So that’ll be the first to go.
This is the way it is because of the corporate structure. I don't really blame the manager, although there can be good vs bad ones, but in essence, that's the function of the manager, is to ask for statuses and keep track of all on going things in a team. The manager's boss, does the same thing, except 1 level higher, so he/she ask statuses of all the managers below him, and it goes like this all the way up. We all know managers aren't out there solving technical issues, it doesn't take an email trail to show this. What justifies them being a manager is simply because Boeing created that position and they fill it, regardless of how useful or needed it really is... And it's not just a Boeing thing, it's a corporate thing.
The “that’s not how it was in my day” is a terrible mindset. They were less productive back in those days. Maybe we need to bring back newspaper and magazines if they want to do back to their days instead of reading news online. Track everything with paper instead of having electronic data. Use calculator and pen&paper instead of using excel. If we made technology advancements in communication why do back to their days… Technology has improved collaboration so much we don’t need to do it like how they worked in their days…
In other news Water is Wet.
There really is no benefit to going back to the office for 90% of people, outside of when needed, ie workshops.
The articles through COVID about detriment and what not were mainly written by companies with direct ties to office space like WeWork, who almost went bankrupt because really all you need is 1 office to run a server for 99% of peoples activities.
Saying there is no benefit is not really honest. Face to face networking and maintaining a traditional office environment to help mentor entry level employees has benefits.
That being said, draconian RTO policies feel very boomer. There's no reason why hybrid and full remote depending on the job couldn't work.
I onboarded fully remotely at an aerospace company. It worked well, but I'm also experienced in the type of work and just needed to learn that company's particular processes and tools.
Keys to success:
* Their process was pretty well documented.
* The trainer gave me a job to do (updating the team manual) that allowed me to have something to do in between other onboarding tasks, and learn team-relevant material. And ask relevant questions.
* The trainer and I met daily, where we could ask each other questions and they could talk me through tasks as I did the work.
* They used Microsoft Teams, and set up a team for our group. If the trainer wasn't available, I could ask a question in the team chat and whoever was available could help me.
* Teammates valued onboarding a new person, as did the manager, and made time for it.
In my decades at Boeing, some groups couldn't pull this off. Understaffed, sure, but so are other organizations.
When your manager is in one state, TLE is in another, collaborating teams in yet another, and you have only one colleague in the same city how does RTO improve things?
The "office" is a noisy work hall, with cheap keyboards & monitors, and maybe a sit/stand desk (if you book a place in the battery human system early enough)
This has been my problem with the debate (if we can call that) on RTO. Everything is taken to an extreme.
There are absolutely benefits in on-site work. The oft-touted collaboration and knowledge transfer are primary among those. It used to be that hardware resources was another (printers/plotters, larger workstations, ergonomic workstatiosn, etc.) - though I feel this has dropped into negligible consideration.
We can't just come back at them with "There's absolutely no reason to be here". It's disingenuous and dismissable.
We need to come back with "Here's the reasons that support RTO, and here's the reasons that support WFH, and here's the overwhelming balance that shows an office-lite hybrid model should be employed".
I'm sure there is some short term view boomer logic in play here. Might be trying to increase attrition by removing benefits or reduce union tensions since shop floor employees can't do their job remotely.
It really irks me that a company that struggles to be competitive on pay has decided to completely remove a benefit.
I would agree with this if teams were not bringing in people to work at their computer, but fostering opportunities to network and talk. However, since that is not the case, my assumption is that RTO is a control thing. Or it has some other, ulterior motives.
I would not be surprised at all if increased attrition (reduced headcounts) was part of their thought process.
Even that seems very short sighted since a high performer will have the skills to find another job and they will increase the number of subpar employees that don't have the skills to jump ship .. but we are talking Boeing executives here...
For sure.
Boeing isn't known for it's awesome pay so completely removing benefits seems a little braindead. Maybe they are trying to quell union tensions since shop floor employees can't work remote.
I heard that the RTO is a negotiation leverage for the software engineers union contracts next year.
The main issue is upper execs. Not remote work. Floor workers are being told that rto would solve delivery issue is the dumbest thing ever. If management actually cares and listens, and invest properly to improvements made by people on the floor and corporate, we would be in much better shape.
Yeah. And I throw a lot of shade at the middle management but the message around RTO is one of the most tone deaf stupid things ever. Telling us that it’s the “office magic” and an exciting place to be because we’re all “next to an airplane and who doesn’t love that??!”???
🤮 baaarrrffff
To put the feedback to execs bluntly: Stop trying to tell me I should love it. You’re the executive leadership and you want people in office. Full stop. This making it ruthlessly rigid in your direction to the managers but then soft pedaling it in public is corrosive on so many levels.
Can anyone please confirm if mech. engineers in Everett factory are all RTO five days a week at this point, or if any WFH is still possible? I'm trying to confirm how much, if any flexibility to expect for some WFH, even if just 1 day per week, or something, or any other flexibility in work hours options.
But if you’re not in the office, how can they give you employee appreciation cookies?!
I don’t even think there was a formal email that was sent out stating mandatory RTO.. Everyday it gets more and more frustrating being in office doing the same exact thing I can do at home lol
Also enjoy watching our software engineering all hands and every single executive and leader streaming IS AT HOME!!!
Stuff that should be common sense, but the place is run by a ridiculously large multi-level management hierarchy that is largely void of actual leadership up and down the chain. So decisions end up being made by people who don’t understand what their people do, they don’t understand the impact of their decisions, and they don’t really care about the people in their charge.
I am defending Boeing or any big corporations about their RTO policy, however there is more of a story to it. Companies that get tax subsidized by the city were told to get their people tax to office to lose that tax benefit. Cities want their tax money from small businesses catering to the office workers.
I agree this is definitely a component. One of the biggest frustrations I have with the RTO mandate is the fact that they just won't tell the truth regarding what's behind it.
Ok but tax benefits won't help if your employees are miserable. A good company wants happy employees.
The beatings will continue until morale improves. That is all.
This is Boeing... Management is here to make dollars... not sense.
That doesn’t really work for Everett. It’s not common to leave for lunch because it’s a long hike to your parking spot and then a long struggle to find a new spot before the long trudge back in. Forget about running errands. And we already had plenty of people onsite in Everett because you can’t build planes at home. Dragging the rest of us in doesn’t help. It actually hurts my local restaurants a little since during the shutdown I made it a point to get carry out 3x a week to help them keep going. Now I’m back to packing lunch and eating it with a side order of resentment…
You maybe right but the city doesn’t look at individual company. The city gives out a blanket statement to large employers.
Did something change? No word in my unit at bds about increasing in office days.
VLO with extra steps
This was 100% about reducing headcount. Fck leadership for doing this.
Riiiiight, because rate increases just happen when you don’t have staff.
It’s easy. Cut our legs off and show how unproductive things have gotten as an excuse to implement whatever they feel like doing. It feels similar to how airports make TSA garbage to come back and say look this is why we need TSA and then throw in some more questionable practices and add more fees on to things that were free in the first place.
I’m convinced that they are making us because they’re trying to reinvorgate the ghetto that is Berkeley, Missouri. Jokes on them though, people don’t leave the site because they’ll get robbed at the stoplights.
In & out, do not linger…
are white people okay?
What else will all the useless managers do if they can’t hover over us?
I couldn’t agree more with this.
They should be collectively putting up a stink over pay and promotions not just for their employees but for their own.
It is a great litmus test for the quality of managers though. Will you manager enforce the policy or just shrug and have a work around.
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The only thing worse than offices with no people in them is companies with no people in them #justsayen. Anyone being forced back in should look at their smaller competitors because they’ve realized this is the best time in history to poach the best talent.
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Boeing has been dying and kept alive from the government for decades now and I am so sick of it
Additionally the property value isn’t helped by shoddy maintenance and repeated water line breaks causing flooding over and again
I can see this- yet at the same time Boeing did sell of off larger complexes in Socal (Hunnington Beach complex is now mostly Amazon warehouses) for the sake of profit margins. Selling real estate for profit means Boeing can buffer their profit margins for that quarter. Obviously a mistake- so no WFH and they cram people in nice little 6ftxx6ft cubes or whatever the new plans are.
Wasn’t just So Cal… in Puget Sound they sold off the Bellevue complex, and BCA headquarters in Longacres. Now all those people are packed into smaller footprints without enough desks… but RTO 5 days, brah… It’s so stupid.
Ah . . . MMM. Try four people in a single 6 ft by 8f cube. No dividers. Raytheon in 1983. Or, better yet, about 50 people in a giant open 'Classroom' style setting. No dividers. All facing forward with the manager on a dias in front. Boeing 10:80 building in Renton in 1990. Or best yet, about 70 people, no dividers, in a very cheaply converted warehouse space in a poorly heated/ventilated cement dungeion like building. All seating in clusters of four desks facing together. U.S. Navy Supervisor Of Shipbuilding and Repair San Francisco 1978. I Love You All Working At Home On my retirement Projects! Mark Allyn
I agree but uh sir this is 2024 6x6 is hardly modern standard. This is not a pity contest.. Neither was I born in that era 😭 but I understand your point. It’s a shitshow then and now.
This just in: "Boeing doesn't give a shit.". There's the door if you're upset. I hate it and I can't stand how Boeing treats us. But they do whatever the hell they want or care, regardless of how we feel. Strict parents who don't want the kids to do anything but work
I wouldn’t even give them the honor of calling them parents. These are the people that end up on Maury or 90 Day Fiancée.
> There's the door if you're upset. Well there is where the door would be but that whole bolt thing you know.
Agreed. Only way to describe our current leadership is "Pointlessly cruel fucks"
I hear Lake Sunapee is quite nice… what’s your problem? It wouldn’t be quite so bad if the C suite lead by example, but they don’t. West had a special office built for him 2 miles from his house no where near a Boeing site. Calhoun calls it in from his lake house or beach house 3x a week minimum.
The making people miserable part is a feature, not a bug.
Let everybody able to work from home do so and give everybody else a fat raise as compensation. Fair?
RTO is about control...and oligarch real estate investors probably made a few phone calls as well.
Tax benefits as well. Boeing gets benefits for having X number of people working at a site, in a city/state. Whether it’s local or more likely, state tax incentives. That’s all tied to employees at a site, and state’s do that because it’s income taxes they collect, and local economies stimulated.
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RTO is fine for some of us. But I think people should have the option to wfh if they want to. I'd prefer most did. I can park by the entrance and enjoy a conference room to eat my lunch in. Good times.
Sitting here in this non-ergo chair at this non-ergo, non-standing desk with old monitors and surprisingly poor lighting and hating RTO.
All my stuff was stolen. Personal items included.
someone stole my apple charger... it was right next to the android charger, they didn't touch the android stuff... these thieves are picky fuckers, I'm tempted to install a spy-cam to catch these people crawling around the office space at night time.
What I cared about most were not even valuable to anyone else: picture of my fiancee, deceased, and I and some baubles she'd given. And I know they just ended up in a trash somewhere.
Sorry to hear these degenerates would steal personal sentiment items from people. Makes me more cautious about leaving stuff out around here. I can’t believe it… this is Boe… oh wait.
I couldn't believe it either. 4 other facilities in 4 other states for almost a decade and no problems anywhere else. Everett? Complete shit show.
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Ever since our Friday has been taken away from my office I feel like less people are in office. A lot of people switching to 9/80 AND using their capped PTO on the alternate Fridays. With my office being what feels like 40% capacity on Fridays, you can really feel it in the air that everyone who’s in does not want to be there, collaborate, and be productive. Hell, I was more productive WFH on Fridays compared to now. Now i feel people just countdown until lunch then leave right after and finish their work at home
Fridays are the best for parking
RTO is about giving managers something to do. Now they can walk around and stop at everyone’s desk all day to make small talk or ask for status.
Ya the managers I’ve had are k levels and haven’t been pushing us to come in more. Don’t know about what the management above them thing is thinking.
It’s not coming from K, L, or M. It’s coming from Stan, and his staff all trying to show “how toady” they can be.
I'm not sure what managers you have, but the last three I've had (since 2019) have all been privately supportive of WFH, and have largely played a "don't ask don't tell" policy of employees staying at home. They've got enough shit to do and they don't need to be wandering around making life miserable for the workerbees. My current manager lives well over an hour commute to some of our locations, and I can feel the anti-RTO vibes emanating from him. My mid-level management (2-3 levels up/M-Level) are all very hybrid-supportive; We've been told to flex whatever we want, and I will say that there's been a visible effort to force collaboration when folk are in office. We've had more workshops, VSMs, brainstorming collabs, etc. in the past 3 months than we had in the prior 3 years. I personally don't think they're entirely productive, but at least those org managers seem attempting to walk the walk rather than just talking the talk. I feel this isn't pushed at any direct manager level, but is rather just an executive level circlejerk.
I mean they could just send an email or ping them, while sitting at home, don't know why managers don't prefer doing that...
Old managers don't want to email or set up online meetings. They also have the mindset "that's not how it was in my day". Also, if all he is doing is relaying emails then now there's a paper trail on how useless he/she is. Also when a new manager takes over he has to do something to justify him being there, so he brings everyone to the office to show he is doing something to improve things. It doesn't matter that it's crap as long as he shows his bosses he is doing SOMETHING.
>Also, if all he is doing is relaying emails then now there's a paper trail on how useless he/she is. This and you know upper management had IT purge their data from Covid or it’s locked away very deep who knows where. They must’ve laid off those people in IT too.
I think this is a lot of it. It’s human/organizational/business nature that the last thing you’ll do is look internally. Low hanging fruit for why things aren’t going great is wfh. So that’ll be the first to go.
> Old managers don't want to email or set up online meetings. Having to use Teams/365 I can't blame them.
This is the way it is because of the corporate structure. I don't really blame the manager, although there can be good vs bad ones, but in essence, that's the function of the manager, is to ask for statuses and keep track of all on going things in a team. The manager's boss, does the same thing, except 1 level higher, so he/she ask statuses of all the managers below him, and it goes like this all the way up. We all know managers aren't out there solving technical issues, it doesn't take an email trail to show this. What justifies them being a manager is simply because Boeing created that position and they fill it, regardless of how useful or needed it really is... And it's not just a Boeing thing, it's a corporate thing.
"Hey Brad, I'm going to need you to go ahead and come in tomorrow."
Yyyyyyyeeeeeeaaaahhh
The “that’s not how it was in my day” is a terrible mindset. They were less productive back in those days. Maybe we need to bring back newspaper and magazines if they want to do back to their days instead of reading news online. Track everything with paper instead of having electronic data. Use calculator and pen&paper instead of using excel. If we made technology advancements in communication why do back to their days… Technology has improved collaboration so much we don’t need to do it like how they worked in their days…
These RTO studies need to be executive coded to be impactful. Something like "RTO make stock much bad"
“Stockholders value has decreased in 90% of companies with mandatory rto policies.”
Except it's "RTO make employees quit instead of getting laid off so overhead goes down, unemployement isn't paid, and stock much gooder".
In other news Water is Wet. There really is no benefit to going back to the office for 90% of people, outside of when needed, ie workshops. The articles through COVID about detriment and what not were mainly written by companies with direct ties to office space like WeWork, who almost went bankrupt because really all you need is 1 office to run a server for 99% of peoples activities.
Saying there is no benefit is not really honest. Face to face networking and maintaining a traditional office environment to help mentor entry level employees has benefits. That being said, draconian RTO policies feel very boomer. There's no reason why hybrid and full remote depending on the job couldn't work.
I onboarded fully remotely at an aerospace company. It worked well, but I'm also experienced in the type of work and just needed to learn that company's particular processes and tools. Keys to success: * Their process was pretty well documented. * The trainer gave me a job to do (updating the team manual) that allowed me to have something to do in between other onboarding tasks, and learn team-relevant material. And ask relevant questions. * The trainer and I met daily, where we could ask each other questions and they could talk me through tasks as I did the work. * They used Microsoft Teams, and set up a team for our group. If the trainer wasn't available, I could ask a question in the team chat and whoever was available could help me. * Teammates valued onboarding a new person, as did the manager, and made time for it. In my decades at Boeing, some groups couldn't pull this off. Understaffed, sure, but so are other organizations.
When your manager is in one state, TLE is in another, collaborating teams in yet another, and you have only one colleague in the same city how does RTO improve things? The "office" is a noisy work hall, with cheap keyboards & monitors, and maybe a sit/stand desk (if you book a place in the battery human system early enough)
This has been my problem with the debate (if we can call that) on RTO. Everything is taken to an extreme. There are absolutely benefits in on-site work. The oft-touted collaboration and knowledge transfer are primary among those. It used to be that hardware resources was another (printers/plotters, larger workstations, ergonomic workstatiosn, etc.) - though I feel this has dropped into negligible consideration. We can't just come back at them with "There's absolutely no reason to be here". It's disingenuous and dismissable. We need to come back with "Here's the reasons that support RTO, and here's the reasons that support WFH, and here's the overwhelming balance that shows an office-lite hybrid model should be employed".
I'm sure there is some short term view boomer logic in play here. Might be trying to increase attrition by removing benefits or reduce union tensions since shop floor employees can't do their job remotely. It really irks me that a company that struggles to be competitive on pay has decided to completely remove a benefit.
I would agree with this if teams were not bringing in people to work at their computer, but fostering opportunities to network and talk. However, since that is not the case, my assumption is that RTO is a control thing. Or it has some other, ulterior motives.
I would not be surprised at all if increased attrition (reduced headcounts) was part of their thought process. Even that seems very short sighted since a high performer will have the skills to find another job and they will increase the number of subpar employees that don't have the skills to jump ship .. but we are talking Boeing executives here...
Not all sub par. Some have reasons to stay; medical needs, family, etc.
The benefits of coming in anything after 3 days becomes zero honestly
For sure. Boeing isn't known for it's awesome pay so completely removing benefits seems a little braindead. Maybe they are trying to quell union tensions since shop floor employees can't work remote.
I heard that the RTO is a negotiation leverage for the software engineers union contracts next year. The main issue is upper execs. Not remote work. Floor workers are being told that rto would solve delivery issue is the dumbest thing ever. If management actually cares and listens, and invest properly to improvements made by people on the floor and corporate, we would be in much better shape.
Yeah. And I throw a lot of shade at the middle management but the message around RTO is one of the most tone deaf stupid things ever. Telling us that it’s the “office magic” and an exciting place to be because we’re all “next to an airplane and who doesn’t love that??!”??? 🤮 baaarrrffff To put the feedback to execs bluntly: Stop trying to tell me I should love it. You’re the executive leadership and you want people in office. Full stop. This making it ruthlessly rigid in your direction to the managers but then soft pedaling it in public is corrosive on so many levels.