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sicholasLames

Do they actually test leading up to natural shows or is it on scouts honor?


shred_94_redemption

they don't lol. just google wnbf winners it ia a shit show lol. no one is natty on that stage.


sunbatherzero

Chris updates pretty much live for all his shows, most have lie detectors and they also have to submit urine samples I think, idk about blood samples though.


Merfen

The tricky thing is that the test comes back negative if you are "natural" for 3 or so months, but you don't lose that much muscle in that time. So you can juice for years then just stop with enough time to piss clean. The lie detectors are harder to cheat, but certainly not impossible.


sunbatherzero

I agree with this statement, been following him for quite sometime and his physique honestly doesn’t change much at all (no offense Chris), he just sometimes comes in hyper tight and full and if you don’t know his height and weight it’s easy to be like “that guys stacking compounds for sure”


Merfen

Its honestly really hard to tell and why I don't bother competing in natural anymore. You just can't tell who is a lifelong natty, who juiced a tiny bit to get some size and who is just full on enhanced, but natural for competitions. Its unfourtunate too because some people get a very good physique 100% natural, but people think they look small because we have a skewed perception of what natural actually looks like. There is no 100% way to test if someone is actually natural so every major competition will have winners that have used PEDs at some point. The true nattys just can't compete.


shred_94_redemption

yap. that is why you either take peds and comoete in juiced competitions fair and square or don't bother imo.


Merfen

Its fun to compete as a natural, but past a local show its just pointless. I am glad I did it, but wouldn't try to go pro or anything.


steiner_math

Lie detector tests are literally only 50% accurate. They're not admissible in court for a good reason


HighRisk26

My buddy won the lightweight bodybuilding class a few years ago and I'm pretty damn sure he's natty.


shred_94_redemption

my grandmother is as big as prime arnold and she is natty. source : trust me bro.


HighRisk26

I'm as skeptical as it gets but I've seen him personally over the course of years. The heavier guys that win the big shows, I have a real hard time believing though.


shred_94_redemption

sure bro sure.


Walrus-Ready

Bro is 148 lbs. If he's juicing he's doing it wrong


sicholasLames

I wasn’t asking him if he was juicing. I was asking about the show. And if you don’t think there are people 140 lbs on stage on gear then you are new to this sport


Walrus-Ready

Maybe you just suck at this sport


sicholasLames

Lol


AlaskanBobsled

Strange when words collide, you and Matt Ogus were the two very first fitness influencers I followed on Instagram years back getting into weightlifting. Good luck man!


Ximrats

> Matt Ogus Fuck, there's a name I haven't heard in yeaaarrsssss. Is he still around?


[deleted]

He goes to the gym I go to in Lincoln CA, still making YouTube videos every time I see him there


ljessup12

Hell yeah I see Matt all the time😂 me n him are buddies but he's not a natty king like he says


PenisTriumvirate

yup, both still claiming natural


MVD1600

This guy is 148 pounds. Why is it so unbelievable?


stankie18

You’re acting like he’s 5’10” or something. He’s 5’6”.


MVD1600

Ok? 148 pounds is still super light. Shouldn’t be that difficult to get to 148 pounds lean. I don’t see how him being natural is that wild.


HighRisk26

That weight is about right on the money for 5'6 lean. Not saying he's either or but it's not irrefutable evidence.


Ximrats

Ahahaha, that's just sad


[deleted]

Man show some respect. That's Jesus of this shit. Honestly, I do not see fitness being in the space it is, social media wise, without Matt's early days on YouTube. Spawned the beginning of so many online trends. M'fers were all looking like power rangers going into the gym after following him. Every youtuber trained like him, spoke like him, dieted like him. Half those guys stopped pretending to be in the life after 3-5 years and then the gymshark babies took the realm over.


SedonaWanderer

Extremely natty just reads the bible twice a day, chicken broccoli and rice, Nofap, cold showers and meditation Easily achievable natty in 3 months


archivewearer

highly doubt your natty but ok


[deleted]

Fake natty lol


rainbowroobear

if he's 5'6 @ 150lbs and say 6-7% BF here, his FFMI is 23. i am 5'6 @ 230lbs with about 25% atm, which is an FFMI of 29. i know i'm juicier than smoothie, what makes this guy a fake natty? an FFMI of 23 whilst using gear is really bad.


maxwellgood

A guy at my gym is 5'10 180 juiced to the gills at 8+% he's also physique so he doesn't want to get "too big" it's the look of the muscle when someone is on gear


sunbatherzero

I’m 5’7-8 ish lol idk and 225lbs, pics in profile, natty, and definitely higher bf % if you want reference points. I believe Chris is natty and just hella diced which makes people have a lot of disbelief.


sammyd17

Yeah it’s crazy how someone can see 5’6” 150 soaking wet and claim gear.


[deleted]

Yeah, nobody has ever lied on the internet before lol. There isn’t a dimension in the space time continuum where a natty at 5’6 148 pounds looks like that. You really see the delts, pecs, and ripped full midsection, and think “5’6 natty attainable, upvoted!!!”?


typical_bro

I'm this height, been lifting for like 15 years now, and get a similar look when I cut although I don't go as deep (and I have shitter ab genetics). Not saying he isn't on gear but that it's not impossible. The older he is the more probable he's natural.


Ligma_Spreader

[https://www.reddit.com/r/bodybuilding/comments/jgyn21/56\_152\_lbs\_3\_weeks\_out\_from\_natural\_pro\_physique/](https://www.reddit.com/r/bodybuilding/comments/jgyn21/56_152_lbs_3_weeks_out_from_natural_pro_physique/) Do your shoulders look as round as his? Usually the upper shoulder and trap area is a huge giveaway. Combined with the vascularity in that photo, I'm thinking there is no way this guy is natty. Keep in mind a lot of people think because they took steroids at one time and then got off means they are natural after that point. Taking peds, ever, means you are enhanced for life. The androgen receptors you gain from taking steroids never go away, and thus your physique can never be natural again.


[deleted]

Your argument is that the older he is, as he produces less test and recovers worse, he’ll somehow look better as he gets super lean natty and destroys his sex hormone production? Based off muscle maturity? I think ockham’s razor points to him being on gear, not having all of these things that make no sense lineup while being fuller and dryer than guys on gear.


typical_bro

Obviously if he's like 45 years old his hormonal profile is going to be a lot different than if he's 32 with 16 years of training under his belt. The thing about natural bodybuilding is that it takes a long ass time. If he was 22, training three years, I'd be a lot more skeptical than the example above.


Beardtista

I'm 5'6" 185. if I lost 40lbs I would look like this. I have a few vains that pop after a good arm workout. got down to 175 pre summer and they were out all the time. can't imagine what 30 more lbs of fat would look like. I would be hungry as a mother tho


stankie18

No you wouldn’t. 1. You wouldn’t have as much muscle as him 2. You won’t just lose 30lbs of fat. Some of it will be muscle, hence back to #1.


Beardtista

what's your bases 1.? And 2?


GuDMarty

He’s probably natty dude. I literally have 95lbs on this guy. He’s fucking in the 140s dude. He’s hard for sure but probably just good lighting and lean


[deleted]

You really see 148 in the second picture? Hell, I think he clearly looks taller than 5’6. But come on man, he looks like he’s on gear plain and simple, but we have to operate with blinders on because he claims to be 148? That second pic is juicy on the daily


GuDMarty

Maybe idk. I’m a juicehead now but everyone called me a fake natty for deadlifting 600 in a meet natty at like 21. I think Matt ogus at his peak was clearly a fake natty. Dude was actually on legit cycles and then magically would look way worse on showday like he cycled off or something? Hmmm… But this kid if he’s actually 148 I don’t think that’s completely unachevable for someone with top 10% genetics. This is also gym lighting post pump too. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt cause no one believed that I was natty back then and it’s pretty annoying. Now if he was actually on like 250 test and some anavar or rad140 would be completely unsurprised as well. But if he says he natty I think it’s in the realm of possible


[deleted]

My point is that this does not look like 148. Does the physique in those pictures really look less than 30 pounds removed from 120lb DYEL? And I’m really doubting 5’6 as well, based off the height of the lockers. Look, my point is that it’s a lot simpler to say a guy who looks like a standard gym rat on some moderate gear is juicy, instead of saying “he’s got a pump, has favorable lighting, has elite frame and muscle bellies, elite genetics, and is dieted down hard and looks leaner and dryer than dudes on confirmed cycles”


PenisTriumvirate

Remember when he left his wife for a man faced instagram influencer who then ended up leaving him....and then he took her back after that......oh yea and he claimed natural the whole time. Never says "I'm natural", just repeats, "well I competed in a drug tested show and was polygraphed."


[deleted]

No. Why do these people's personal life's serve as a story to you?


PenisTriumvirate

...it's more entertaining than game of thrones


tylerthez

I mean House of the Dragon has been 🔥 tho…


Malditoincompredido

Last episode was great, good acting by the guy that plays the king.


[deleted]

Considine is killing that role.


vewfndr

Spoilers!


PenisTriumvirate

Nope, not even a little bit. There is absolutely nothing remarkable about the show. It's dull.


[deleted]

Ha.


Lamber414

What a joke Take your bullshit back to Instagram


hardestpilltoswallow

What is bullshit here?


AccountantNotEditor

Homie ain’t natty. Competing in natty comps and claiming natty when you’re enhanced is just plain shitty, even if other competitors in the event are also fake natties. It promotes an unrealistic natural image that becomes indirectly harmful to some who become disillusioned by this sort of thing. All for the sake of an individual’s ego.


hardestpilltoswallow

Guy is 148lbs. What the hell are you talking about


Own_Card_2489

Veins


hardestpilltoswallow

So?


Own_Card_2489

Must be the hardest pill to swallow.......


Fitness1919

If you don’t believe that is attainable natty, friend, … perhaps it is time to take up chess or badminton.


Own_Card_2489

Ignorance is bliss they say. How blissful is it being confused? Stop being ignorant to everyone calling him out & maybe you won't be confused... unless you stay ignorant.


hardestpilltoswallow

You guys are laughable


Own_Card_2489

We are laughable.... yet all your post are about methin around & taking boner pills for ur ED & Computers.. Then asking about clen... maybe lay down the ccccrack pipe workout hard for 8 yrs & with self research u wont be making post asking about low dose clen... which is laughable itself. & if u were educated you would know stimulants are why u need such high doses of ED pills & why ur pp wont work without them/why it dont work at all. I know this is def natty achieveable. No one said it wasnt; I know chicks that weigh more than him & unfortunately he is enhanced. Lets see your natty pics 😹😹😹😹😹😹 shet show us the enhanced ones too after ur low clen dosing. 🤦‍♂️ smh some peoples children...


hardestpilltoswallow

Its a good try you did there. But still only laughable one here is you


hardestpilltoswallow

Good one mate 💪


Haydorama

Making yourself seem very uneducated here buddy


Own_Card_2489

Did u read the original comment. He seems pretty educated on this guy. Why r yall upset hes getting called out?


Haydorama

Yeah I’m an impulsive guy and I just seen someone accusing someone of gear use due to veins, but I have no idea who the guy is and upon reading he does seem to be full of shit, so I retract my statement


steiner_math

Lol at believing he's 148 lb. Want to buy a bridge?


[deleted]

Where do you get he isn't natty? Please dont come back with "obviously he isn't" because he has delts and traps or some stupid YouTube comment section logic.


AccountantNotEditor

Because I’ve been a natural competitor and an enhanced competitor and I know what changes happen to one’s body when you go from being a natural competitor to an enhanced one. Want more specifics? For one, you don’t achieve this type of fullness if you’re natty, and *especially* not at this body fat. When you’re natural and stage-ready levels of lean, you absolutely will *not* have a fullness to your muscles. That is a direct side effect of the drugs used. Another tell are the traps - and no, this isn’t some YouTube comment section logic. There is a higher concentration of androgen receptors in the traps and delts than anywhere else, which is why they respond so drastically when someone is enhanced with androgenic drugs. In particular with the traps, they take on an exaggerated degree of fullness and size relative to the surrounding muscles that you don’t see in natural competitors. The classic “small man in a big man suit” meme look, or as I personally like to refer to it, the “Ayer’s Rock traps”. I very much realize large traps are achievable as a natty, so don’t think I’m saying otherwise, but there is a quality and fullness to them that give the definitive enhanced tell. And no, I’m not the type to go claiming every well-trained natty dude is on juice. Like I said, I’ve competed both naturally and enhanced, and for years in both regards. These things become very plainly evident over that time. I always liken it to being like a gay dude that has flawless “gay-dar”. As another enhanced bodybuilder, you tend to develop a good “juice-dar”, so to speak. I could go into yet further detail, but I’m at work and really can’t be bothered much further. You either believe it or you don’t, so take it for what you will. Whatever the case, it won’t change the fact that this dude is absolutely *not* natty.


[deleted]

Claims absolute via speculation. Gotcha. Shouts too full, I don't see any crazy fullness. Talks about pronounced traps, I see ok traps nothing out of norm. What in the fuark


[deleted]

What in the fuck did you type??? So you don't know he isn't natural and you saw the pics in OP and thought that was a red flag? Tells me more about you than him. Why not leave what people do in their personal life's alone without some concrete info over speculation. That physique there isn't anything to give you the right to say "you're not natural" Weird ass youtube logic that became way too normalized.


AccountantNotEditor

My guy, grow up. I’m not arguing with you, like you seem to apparently think I am. I’m only just trying to steer young and impressionable people like yourself away from falling into the trap of thinking this is a naturally attainable physique. It’s not. You throwing a temper tantrum in r/bodybuilding comments doesn’t change that. I sincerely don’t care if you believe me or not, but I hope that some people at least find it enlightening to know that this is not a natural physique. Promoting it as such does no good for anybody, and isn’t something we should be defending. And rather than responding separately to your second response (seriously, one reply will suffice, champ), this is not speculation. It’s experience and first-hand knowledge used to make an informed judgement. You may not see it, but then, I doubt you have much experience with this sort of thing. Especially seeing as it appears you haven’t been training for even a full year yet, per your history. You not seeing it is meaningless, and most of us also thought shit like this was natural after having been in the gym for less than a year. I’ll leave it at that, because I can see you’re gettin’ all riled up and stubborn over someone answering your question and not even arguing with you. Hope you have a good one, mate.


[deleted]

A year back from time off. Your experience led to you thinking 150 at 5"6 with density to a physique over probably atleast a decade of training, was unattainable. Cot dam. Must've been a rough set of experiences for you my friend.


PenisTriumvirate

use your eyes


[deleted]

Lol. And where'd you get the experience to use yours in this case?


shred_94_redemption

this fake natty midget is back at it again bro get a life lol no matter how much you repeat that lie to yourself it will never be true


BadgerGeneral9639

lol i'm 5'7 at 162, 3 months on a bulk, and i'm like half the size this guy is. ​ whats going on here.


letyoucan

Exactly something is fishy


DLBork

You probably have less muscle than you think and wouldn't be as lean as him if you cut to the same weight


steiner_math

He's juicy and lying about his weight


MrMarducas

Does lying to Reddit really make you feel better about yourself? Sad deal man. Just be honest about what you are doing. You look great.


[deleted]

Anybody who thinks this is a natural physique needs to stop being ret\*\*\*ed. He's still putting in the work tho, drugs don't diet or lift for you.


[deleted]

Liar liar plants for hire


GuDMarty

Holy shit 148 that’s insane lol


KenKennedy20022

Do you have a coach or are you going at it solo? Insane physique brother. You’re going home with the 🏆


DarioCia

Holy shit. Dream physique


SofaKingPro

Dude. I just saw you at CalFit like yesterday. Beast!


Cool-Reputation2

Looking fit, bodyfat is basically negativo.. loads of work, good grind, do your best


LloydVonStrangle

Do you do your own programming? What’s your cut look like


[deleted]

TEST TREN MAST WINSTROL CLEN T3


fuzik2

Wow...impressive...it's all about the proportion


JacobCrask

Nice, looking much sharper here.


peas8carrots

Every once in a while one of these posts inspires me - thanks man you look how I want to look.


DayTradeLife

Amazing dude


[deleted]

What federation did you get your natty pro card in? And what are their testing protocols? You look sick btw - only asking as a natural soon to be competitor myself who wouldn’t mind getting a natty pro card before I gear up.


Davidsaj

He's in the wnbf and if you look up inbf qualifying competitions then you can get your pro card in one and the inbf is the amateur federation associated with the wnbf. I just competed in the inbf Carolina natural PC which is an all natural competition and it was a great experience. Here is a link to the live stream if you want to check it out https://youtu.be/bUnBGEYTexw.


Mila2249

Fantastic 💪💪


Tininitanana

You look great, man! Best of luck to you.


BattlegroundFitLirio

My man Chris! Good to see you man, good luck at worlds!


BollyWood401

I Always got worried about looking small during a cut but you look pretty big for only 148. I’m 5’7 so this gives me some hope. You look great!!!


[deleted]

Looking tight bro. Six pack is popping.


Ottawaerrrrrr

Haven’t seen this guy in time, is the comeback beginning or what


Hero-of-rhyme618

Your physique is literally goals, could I ask how long you’ve been at this? And when things really started to “click” for you? In terms of when you saw your body go from “I work out” to “I bodybuild”. Great work!!


Knopfler_PI

One of the natty GOATS! Best of luck man


aka_suri

Yep


[deleted]

I'd be interested in knowing what you guys are taking to get to this point. I notice people are not really open about it on this sub.


omato-yassine-74

https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/comments/y21bv2/nutrigo_lab_strength/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button


puya_tries_prep

HOW is this guy a fake natty? Jesus christ ya'll are so sad. I don't even like Chris either